Hi - I'm an experienced windows developer looking at doing some Android apps development. I've got a rooted G1 but I think I need a more up-to-date device for development purposes. So my questions are
1. Am I right in thinking I'll need something like the Nexus One or the Desire? Maybe actually using the G1 as a lowest common denominator is best right now ?
2. If the Desire or Nexus One is recommended which is better for development purposes? I know the Desire has recently been rooted but there seems to be some problems (can't write to certain system partitiions a 'goldcard is required if the phone is obtained from a Carrier) and and won't it always be playing catch-up each time google updates android ?
3. If I have a rooted Desire / Nexus one can I run a 1.6 rom to check functional compatibility? (I learned not to trust SDK emulators by themselves !)
Thanks in advance for your answers
MetaDude said:
Hi - I'm an experienced windows developer looking at doing some Android apps development. I've got a rooted G1 but I think I need a more up-to-date device for development purposes. So my questions are
1. Am I right in thinking I'll need something like the Nexus One or the Desire? Maybe actually using the G1 as a lowest common denominator is best right now ?
2. If the Desire or Nexus One is recommended which is better for development purposes? I know the Desire has recently been rooted but there seems to be some problems (can't write to certain system partitiions a 'goldcard is required if the phone is obtained from a Carrier) and and won't it always be playing catch-up each time google updates android ?
3. If I have a rooted Desire / Nexus one can I run a 1.6 rom to check functional compatibility? (I learned not to trust SDK emulators by themselves !)
Thanks in advance for your answers
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if your wanting to check your apps on a phone thats is gioing to be moer popular i would go for the desire as i believe it is going to be the better seller of the 2 and also i'm sure it won't be long untill the root status is improved WELL i hope. hope this helps
slaming
Hi Slaming - good point about the popularity of the Desire. Here in the UK It does seem to be Androind phone to get. Over the weekend the T-mobile and '3' shops were out of stock !
why dont you just run the apps on the emulator?
nicandris said:
why dont you just run the apps on the emulator?
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emulators are never 100% accurate only good for rough development
I wouldnt want to wait around until the updates trickle to the Desire. And no one has really been working to run 1.6 on either devices. There is almost no difference between the Desire and the Nexus one. I would stick with the one with Google updates and the easy root. If you must check 1.6 I would keep a G1 or magic around.
choices, choices
I can't make up my mind at the present.
N1
PROs - Faster and easier Android updating, worldwide usage, docking pins
CONS - Alleged 3G radio, cracked screen and dust under screen issues ??
DESIRE
PROS - real buttons, optical trackpad, prettier HTC sense UI
CONS - imperfect root process, slower Android update process
I'm trying to find out if the Desire has the same alleged 3G / screen hardware issues as the N1 because I thought the hardware was virtually the same but there seems to a lot less complaints about the Desire.
Desire has same radio problems as N1
Well it looks like the desire has the same or very similar 3G issues as the N1. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656192
Bah ! this is really dis-heartening. I want to develop for Android but based on what I'm discovering the iPhone might still be a better bet! The general public ( as opposed to technies / early adopters like me ) won't to switch to a new device in large numbers unless its offers a consistently high quality experience and is reliable in its basic functionality !
Grrrrr ... Bah !
MetaDude said:
I can't make up my mind at the present.
N1
PROs - Faster and easier Android updating, worldwide usage, docking pins
CONS - Alleged 3G radio, cracked screen and dust under screen issues ??
DESIRE
PROS - real buttons, optical trackpad, prettier HTC sense UI
CONS - imperfect root process, slower Android update process
I'm trying to find out if the Desire has the same alleged 3G / screen hardware issues as the N1 because I thought the hardware was virtually the same but there seems to a lot less complaints about the Desire.
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ok well i believe i read that google was not going to do any more firmware updates to fix bugs such as the 3g radio and i believe surely it would be better to go with a device which is more popular and everyone will have same spec etc than have a device which means you can test if it works on something that software wise has better speed meaning on a desire with the slower sense will be a bit more laggy
Some of you might have heard that about a week ago opera released a statement saying its new full mobile beta (not mini) will be available within a month.
The 2 major features stated are multi touch and hardware acceleration. Im a fan of opera mobile from using it on my tp2 and occasionally on my hd2 and I'm pretty hopeful of a new top browser to choose from.
My question is whether hardware acceleration might work on out hd2s with our custom roms, it should make zooming and navigation rapid, but if we are using a desire be Rom it might try and use that graphics driver instead of the hd2 one, resulting in failure?
I know the only way we will really find out is when its released, but I wondered if any smart codes could add some theories of how the hw acceleration could work.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
Does anyone know if the HD2 hardware supports Rotating Gestures for Google Maps Mobile 5?
The Desire doesn't support this, according to http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=1079043
futaris said:
Does anyone know if the HD2 hardware supports Rotating Gestures for Google Maps Mobile 5?
The Desire doesn't support this, according to http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=1079043
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Some do, some don't.
From what I've read on here, Desire HD builds do it, but that's all. (There may be others - that's all I've seen confirmed.)
I confirm for Desire HD build as well as the MDJ Gingerbread build. Didn't try so far on others.
Greets all,
I was just curious about something, I read on here about alot of different things, and I see that alot of the Android builds are being based on the Desire, or the Desire HD, saying its the closest in hardware to the HD2, but Isnt the EVO just as close?
I played with an EVO, and looking at it, it looks very close to the HD2, Yes I know the screen is more color depth and the evo uses a 1.5 snapdragon(I think), but wouldnt this be a closer match too? I'm just trying to obviously like everyone else get a Build that works flawlessly (I know nothing is flawless), and is a good match. Not ever playing with a desire or desire hd I have no clue.
No one has a thought on this? How come more builds arent being based on the EVO?
I have been wondering the same thing. From all I've heard the EVO is a very good phone, and the Android installed on it is sweet. I don't understand why nobody has ported it for the HD2. Nor do I understand why TMO won't support Android on it. If Microsoft will not support it for Windows Phone 7 then they should open it up for Android.
Will 2 finger multitouch ever be good on WP7 on the HD2? I noticed the multitouch driver on WP7 is not as good as the Android version. On Android it's possible to press one finger on the screen and after that the second and they are both registered correctly. In my observation the multitouch on WP7 for the HD2 works like WinMo 6.5. You have to touch the sceen with both fingers at the same time or it will not recognize multitouch. (Or dualtouch in this case.)
On a native WP7 device there is 4 point multitouch I believe...so the best multitouch for the HD2 would be like Android where you don't have to touch the sceen at the same time.
I tested the game 'Cell' where they there's a message 'Touch screen with 3 fingers to goto main menu'...which will never be possible on an HD2 because of the hardware limitations of the touchscreen.
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Will 2 finger multitouch ever be good on WP7 on the HD2? I noticed the multitouch driver on WP7 is not as good as the Android version. On Android it's possible to press one finger on the screen and after that the second and they are both registered correctly. In my observation the multitouch on WP7 for the HD2 works like WinMo 6.5. You have to touch the sceen with both fingers at the same time or it will not recognize multitouch. (Or dualtouch in this case.)
On a native WP7 device there is 4 point multitouch I believe...so the best multitouch for the HD2 would be like Android where you don't have to touch the sceen at the same time.
I tested the game 'Cell' where they there's a message 'Touch screen with 3 fingers to goto main menu'...which will never be possible on an HD2 because of the hardware limitations of the touchscreen.
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noooooooooooooooooooooooooo..... i hope that you're wrong and that this is a software problem
check this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5974306#post5974306
orangekid said:
check this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5974306#post5974306
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While the HD2 may have multi-point touch, that post means nothing.
This would be the same HTC support that told people an official WP7 update would be coming, and other various nonsense over the years.
I would be very surprised if the peons on the support desk know the finer technical nuances of the hardware.
elyl said:
While the HD2 may have multi-point touch, that post means nothing.
This would be the same HTC support that told people an official WP7 update would be coming, and other various nonsense over the years.
I would be very surprised if the peons on the support desk know the finer technical nuances of the hardware.
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this thread was made by me along time ago , i'm happy some people still remember it , and about that these info may be not true , i asked htc in 4 different regions (us , france , germany , uk ) and they all confirmed that the 2 point are software limitation , and about wp7 , it was going to be released but microsoft changed their standards and mind , that is all
Hi,
Do you think that is possible to replace touchscreen driver files by thoses contained in the htc léo 08787 patch for wm6.5 ?
Tx
Impossible. WP7 has a completely different driver architecture.
hoss_n2 said:
this thread was made by me along time ago , i'm happy some people still remember it , and about that these info may be not true , i asked htc in 4 different regions (us , france , germany , uk ) and they all confirmed that the 2 point are software limitation , and about wp7 , it was going to be released but microsoft changed their standards and mind , that is all
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Today I tested the HD2 multitouch touchscreen with a game called "Knots" which you need to touch the balls on the screen, and there are more than 2 balls on the screen... and guess! It doesn't work! Only for the 2 first balls. I think people from HTC are wrong when they say that is the software limits the true multitouch when I think it's the hardware that does it.
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Today I tested the HD2 multitouch touchscreen with a game called "Knots" which you need to touch the balls on the screen, and there are more than 2 balls on the screen... and guess! It doesn't work! Only for the 2 first balls. I think people from HTC are wrong when they say that is the software limits the true multitouch when I think it's the hardware that does it.
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I agree, i'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. There will never be more than 2 point multitouch on the hd2... the capacitive touch controller the HD2 uses doesn't support more than 2 points. But, hopefully the drivers right now can be improved to make the 2 point touch work better than what it does right now.
zarathustrax said:
I agree, i'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. There will never be more than 2 point multitouch on the hd2... the capacitive touch controller the HD2 uses doesn't support more than 2 points. But, hopefully the drivers right now can be improved to make the 2 point touch work better than what it does right now.
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i concur, my friend's htc wildfire can do more than 2 fingers on xpiano but when i tried it on my hd2 android, only 2 notes can be pressed simultaneously. do you know if desire or dhd can do more than 2?
Idhor Naergon said:
Today I tested the HD2 multitouch touchscreen with a game called "Knots" which you need to touch the balls on the screen, and there are more than 2 balls on the screen... and guess! It doesn't work! Only for the 2 first balls. I think people from HTC are wrong when they say that is the software limits the true multitouch when I think it's the hardware that does it.
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zarathustrax said:
I agree, i'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. There will never be more than 2 point multitouch on the hd2... the capacitive touch controller the HD2 uses doesn't support more than 2 points. But, hopefully the drivers right now can be improved to make the 2 point touch work better than what it does right now.
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domon07 said:
i concur, my friend's htc wildfire can do more than 2 fingers on xpiano but when i tried it on my hd2 android, only 2 notes can be pressed simultaneously. do you know if desire or dhd can do more than 2?
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If the right driver is not there, you will not get more than 2 finger multi-touch.
What you guys are saying does not prove it's a hardware limitation at all. Android doesn't have any app/game that uses 4 point, so of course the driver isn't there, but the device may still be hardware capable.
You guys need to understand that drivers affect how the software interacts with the hardware, and without correctly written drivers hardware won't work.
If it is not a hardware limitation, then who's going to write the drivers?
Has anyone ever managed to engineer a fully functional driver for, well, anything on XDA? I remember for the Kaiser there were multiple people trying to make a proper graphics driver and there was never a truly 100% functional one. We weren't able to provide TMC access to the radio on the HD2 - and that was on the native WM6.5
I wouldn't hold my breath for a new driver. Writing a driver for a piece of hardware we have absolutely no documentation on is hard enough. Couple that with writing for a brand new OS and it looks even less likely.
I'd be ecstatic to be proved wrong, though.
i like people who say its impossible !!!
cotulla is one of the people who can say impossible is nothing...
and i just belive in the future cotulla make lot of kids and give them his experience...
and we can have lot of PRO developers in the future
becouse for Russian people everithing is possible...
just need trink Vodka rulezz...
just support it..
Hi Guys,
I bought fruit ninja off Marketplace the other day. Some times it does register two slices on the screen. So it's most probably just a driver issue. 2 point Multitouch was enabled for Wm65 and this will eventually get to WP7 aswell. So be patient
orangekid said:
If the right driver is not there, you will not get more than 2 finger multi-touch.
What you guys are saying does not prove it's a hardware limitation at all. Android doesn't have any app/game that uses 4 point, so of course the driver isn't there, but the device may still be hardware capable.
You guys need to understand that drivers affect how the software interacts with the hardware, and without correctly written drivers hardware won't work.
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It is a hardware limitation... ask any dev that has worked with touch drivers for the HD2. I can't remember exactly what touch sensor the hd2 has, but I know it's one that is only capable of 2 points touch. There was a lot of research done on this both when the hd2 first came out and they were developing multitouch sdk for the hd2, and when they were developing the linux kernel/android for the hd2 and cotulla had to write the touchscreen driver for it. The HD2 is not capable of more than 2 point multitouch.
HTC even made a big deal when the next gen devices came out (I think starting with the EVO) that they were using a new touch sensor that was capable of more than 2 point multitouch, which they never used on prior devices.
Imo, no or maybe yes! Yesterday i got my new HD7... multitouching is REALLY good.. On HD2 is harware limitation or something..
probably kernel related.
This might help: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878936