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Greatest Rom

So with all the Roms that we have available today for the Droid Eris, which one is the best in every way? Even though very few people im sure have got a chance to try each and every Eris ROM. Give us some input.
Thanks

no such thing as the greatest rom. what I think is the answer, someone else might not agree. now me personally, i like the vanilla/cyanogen roms. currently running celb

I have always been a fan of any ROM done by framework. His work ethic is good and he is responsive to input. He has sensless, Evil Eris, and CyanEris. Right now, however, he is working through some small tweaks that promise to be great when fixed and repackaged into a single ROM again. That said I have recently been on ErisLightningBolt Cyan and it is phenomenal! This is a cyanogen ported ROM that conap is kicking butt on making. With 2.4 it is now extremely stable and EVERYTHING works, except for mms outgoing. It runs smooth, snappy, and cool. It also has the best battery life of the cyanogen ROMs avail right now IMO. As far as non cyan I also loved Aloysius 2.0 Snow. Again another extremely stable rom that everything just works without having to mess with a bunch of crap.

n2imagination said:
I have always been a fan of any ROM done by framework. His work ethic is good and he is responsive to input. He has sensless, Evil Eris, and CyanEris. Right now, however, he is working through some small tweaks that promise to be great when fixed and repackaged into a single ROM again. That said I have recently been on ErisLightningBolt Cyan and it is phenomenal!
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+1 on that! Framework's stuff is always good... he's been a little busy recently, but he's always good with "finishing" his projects!
on top of that... i'm a "no-sense" (literally... lol) kinda guy. i LOVE the Cyanogen ErisLightingBolt release. and, i ALWAYS have a NAND of Tainted Vanilla handy. it WAS my ONLY daily ROM and everything "just worked" with it (super fast and smooth). but man... CELB2.4 is sweet!
however, you'll just have to see what you prefer... and try a few out. that's what i had to do!

n2imagination said:
I have always been a fan of any ROM done by framework. His work ethic is good and he is responsive to input. He has sensless, Evil Eris, and CyanEris. Right now, however, he is working through some small tweaks that promise to be great when fixed and repackaged into a single ROM again. That said I have recently been on ErisLightningBolt Cyan and it is phenomenal! This is a cyanogen ported ROM that conap is kicking butt on making. With 2.4 it is now extremely stable and EVERYTHING works, except for mms outgoing. It runs smooth, snappy, and cool. It also has the best battery life of the cyanogen ROMs avail right now IMO. As far as non cyan I also loved Aloysius 2.0 Snow. Again another extremely stable rom that everything just works without having to mess with a bunch of crap.
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I guess im lucky, i havent had the outgoing mms issue with 2.4. I dont often use mms, mostly gmail to send stuff like that, but i have tried it out since i flashed both the rom, and the theme i applied. Of course i also have done the apn fix on the rom, that might have something to do with it but over all i find this extremely stable and well worth downloading

gorgio1 said:
which one is the best in every way?
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It's impossible that one ROM is "best" in "every way".
The ROM devs focus on different things, and try to optimize those things.
The Froyo ROMs are "the best" at being a 2.2 based ROM - but I doubt anybody uses them day-to-day.
Some people like bug-free, some like eye-candy, some want to optimize their Linpack results, some like Sense, some hate Sense.
What is good about this is that as the devs gain experience making a certain package work well, the other devs get the benefit of their knowledge & experience (hopefully), and all the ROMs get better with time.
bftb0

gorgio1 said:
which one is the best in every way?
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Install and use all of them and pick one. THAT one is "the best".

Like everyone else "best" ROM no such thing... if you want stock -run Ivans official rom... Ive tested every rom, and im back to ivans... best out there IMO, r00t!!!

White Widow is the best

Photex said:
White Widow is the best
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I second that. It's pretty much bugless now. Normal battery life and LinPacks in the 5+ range all the time. Facebook sync works as well. You get real time updates and interaction from the developer on Google Wave. It's very interactive getting to have real input on the ROM. Plus, you don't have to deal with people trolling and flaming. Everyone should check it out.
White Widow Official Discussion Wave

WHITE WIDOW IS THE BEST BY FAR
it is also constantly updated and there is an update that should be out pretty soon.

White Widow 3.2
By far.
You'll find it on Google Wave, not the forums. Too much complaining about it.
Fast, vanilla, stable.

I was totally being sarcastic, White Widow is one of the worst, but at least you get the point that you don't want to take anyone's word for it just try them out yourself.

Photex said:
I was totally being sarcastic, White Widow is one of the worst, but at least you get the point that you don't want to take anyone's word for it just try them out yourself.
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You been bad mouthing WW for weeks. Its understandable, you do not like it. But you made your shots at the developer, not the ROM itself. That's fine, you have a chip on your shoulder.
But it seems a bit odd you try to be sarcastic with very non sarcastic words with little to no reason to do so.
It's a bit more odd you respond to your own sarcasm without being prompted.
In fact, every post I have seen of yours are negative.
Are you a troll in disguise?

Carreno43 said:
You been bad mouthing WW for weeks. Its understandable, you do not like it. But you made your shots at the developer, not the ROM itself. That's fine, you have a chip on your shoulder.
But it seems a bit odd you try to be sarcastic with very non sarcastic words with little to no reason to do so.
It's a bit more odd you respond to your own sarcasm without being prompted.
In fact, every post I have seen of yours are negative.
Are you a troll in disguise?
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Enjoy your ROM, I hope he gets a C&D order since he's distributing it with google ****s.

Distributing it or not.
Other ROM's that canot distribute google ****s provide a link to download it.
Reminiscent of pirates bay-esque thinking. "We don't distribute it, we simply provide a way for you to download it"
Same thing.

Carreno43 said:
Distributing it or not.
Other ROM's that canot distribute google ****s provide a link to download it.
Reminiscent of pirates bay-esque thinking. "We don't distribute it, we simply provide a way for you to download it"
Same thing.
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Just shows his inability to follow the rules, instead of keeping it separate he distributes it with his ROM, he steals themes, he includes 3rd party applications.
I can't believe you guys would trust a kernel from someone who has been caught on multiple occasions taking other peoples work and calling it his own. Enjoy your back doored kernel, i hope you don't use mint.com!

Photex said:
Just shows his inability to follow the rules, instead of keeping it separate he distributes it with his ROM, he steals themes, he includes 3rd party applications.
I can't believe you guys would trust a kernel from someone who has been caught on multiple occasions taking other peoples work and calling it his own. Enjoy your back doored kernel, i hope you don't use mint.com!
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...taking other peoples work
-Credit was given-
...instead of keeping it separate he distributes it with his ROM
-Providing a link is the same evil-
...steals themes
-There is no theme-
...includes 3rd party applications.
-There is more than one ROM guilty of this-
... back doored kernel
-Unproven troll-legations-

Let's stop making this a 'Let's back up Andrizoid' thread.
He already has a laughable reputation with anyone putting credible and worthwhile effort into developing ROMs. It doesn't much matter what everyone thinks.
As well, it's pretty obvious that taking other peoples' work and having it all seamlessly integrate makes for a GREAT ROM. As it turns out, when everyone else has already done the leg work, and you slap it together, great things can happen. Funny how that works.
White Widow might be a great ROM. That's what this is about. Don't use the fact that you can discuss things on Google Wave with the "developer" (if he calls himself that) as a positive trait of this ROM. It has nothing to do with it. I wouldn't use White Widow on Principle. Let whoever wants to use/download it decide that.
I think Ivan's Eris_Official 1.0 is the best stock-looking SenseUI ROM. It is the most stable ROM of ANY ROM (although may be equivalently stable to Plain Jane), and has the most saught after features available to put together with it (apps2sd, overclocking, optimized .pngs in all the .apks, wifi tether, etc). It's my favorite because it LOOKs just like everyone else's hero/eris, but is infinitely more capable.
EvilEris 3 is one of my favorites as well, as again I love SenseUI (every time I go vanilla, I come back to Sense even though its slower), and the skin is perfect. It also includes some of the Sense widgets that Incredible users and Legend users get that weren't included on the Eris (great job with the OpenSense plugin, Framework43 !). Sense crashes sometimes, and the GPS icon stays on the top, but it's because of all of the great features and skinning he's done. Great daily ROM.

just my 2 cents here
If its your code he "stole" take it up with him. If its your friends, inform your friend, otherwise its not much of your concern? unless your into joining that patent lawsuit with Steve B-Jobs

What is CM6?

I'm a fr00b
Feel free to... scold me

andershizzle said:
I'm a fr00b
Feel free to... scold me
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hah, good question. I'll cover the basics you can do the rest of the research, essentially CM6 is a customer Rom, (stands for Cyanogenmod version 6) for android devices. You can learn more by visiting cyanogenmod.com
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Also, cyanogenmod would happen to be my favorite custom rom, a lot of extra features are included, its pretty well optimized and you can expect updates often. I've personally used Cyanogen on the Mytouch and Nexus one, and I can't wait to see a version on the Vibrant, once an official stable version comes out, you can probably expect Android 2.2 and a lot of optimizations that would may the vibrant what it should have been on launch day.
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Also I hate to throw this in, being a fairly new poster and all (and not being a mod) but I believe that this thread would belong in the vibrant general forum as opposed to the dev forum. Just a heads up so you don't get flamed in the future

andershizzle said:
I'm a fr00b
Feel free to... scold me
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Don't worry, we won't scold you. It's not your fault being new and all.
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com

I just wish you would realize that your question is for general section

stillyone said:
I just wish you would realize that your question is for general section
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Helpful post, alludes to something I remember mentioning
@andershizzle: if you do decide on running any roms such as CM6, the best tip that can be offered is to make sure you understand what you are doing and read any instructions carefully before you proceed, and make sure you understand the instructions too. Remember to ask for help before doing something that might turn your phone into a $500 paperweight (or in the vibrants case its more of an expensive decoration since I wouldn't trust it to hold down paper. It'd probably blow away too.)

Aphotix said:
Helpful post, alludes to something I remember mentioning
@andershizzle: if you do decide on running any roms such as CM6, the best tip that can be offered is to make sure you understand what you are doing and read any instructions carefully before you proceed, and make sure you understand the instructions too. Remember to ask for help before doing something that might turn your phone into a $500 paperweight (or in the vibrants case its more of an expensive decoration since I wouldn't trust it to hold down paper. It'd probably blow away too.)
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I haven't laughed so loud at any post on XDA as I did with this little comment. Funny, its probably true. LOL!

Aphotix said:
you can probably expect Android 2.2 and a lot of optimizations that would may the vibrant what it should have been on launch day.
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Not being a 'nit-picker', but CM6 uses 2.2 (froyo). CM5 is 2.1 (eclair) and CM4 was 1.6 (donut). Hmm....now I'm getting hungry.
But yes, I'm definitely looking forward to see CM6 on the Vibrant. Only downside is it will look like the stock CM6 (meaning our Vibrant png's will be replaced ).
Guess I might start working on the replacement Vibrant theme.

Moved to General forum. The development forum is only for development threads. (Threads with actual development happening.)
Questions should always be in the General forums (or Q&A if your device has a Q&A forum.)

MINUS Stl said:
Not being a 'nit-picker', but CM6 uses 2.2 (froyo). CM5 is 2.1 (eclair) and CM4 was 1.6 (donut). Hmm....now I'm getting hungry.
But yes, I'm definitely looking forward to see CM6 on the Vibrant. Only downside is it will look like the stock CM6 (meaning our Vibrant png's will be replaced ).
Guess I might start working on the replacement Vibrant theme.
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When I'd made the decision to move from my N1 to Vibrant, I was all excited to find out there was going to be a CM for Vibrant. Now, I don't care so much. Vibrant has so many things I was already replacing that it's cut down on my apps somewhat.
I got into rooting for App2SD, and with my Vibrant it just isn't necessary now to run a custom rom. I will miss the undervolting and overclocking, though I sort of hope someone will work on kernels which will work with the stock build. I did a simple root just to use my root apps. Otherwise, Vibrant is pretty good for me.
BTW, this isn't any sort of anti CM post ... I love the work he and his cronies do, and some times I hope that they'll get snapped up by one of the big guys out there. They should be making bank for their talents.

Well I feel like an idiot for posting in the Dev section. Accident. Lmao.
Anyways I've flashed ROMs on a Touch Pro 2 (WinMo *cough*terrible) before so I'm decently familiar with that.
Is CM6 like, Stock 2.2? I'm looking for a stock-as-possible ROM, is that what I should be getting?
Hehe, guess I'll just try it when it comes. But thanks for all info.

Will we be able to install CM6 with ROM Manager?

andershizzle said:
Well I feel like an idiot for posting in the Dev section. Accident. Lmao.
Anyways I've flashed ROMs on a Touch Pro 2 (WinMo *cough*terrible) before so I'm decently familiar with that.
Is CM6 like, Stock 2.2? I'm looking for a stock-as-possible ROM, is that what I should be getting?
Hehe, guess I'll just try it when it comes. But thanks for all info.
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If you look at his changelog on his site he shows you the common Froyo bits and then shows the bits for different phone types. I would call it a Custom/Stock Hybrid

Pneumatic said:
Will we be able to install CM6 with ROM Manager?
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From browsing the vibrant forum on cyanogenmod.com it looks like mostly speculation at this point.

davbran said:
From browsing the vibrant forum on cyanogenmod.com it looks like mostly speculation at this point.
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It's not speculation. There is active development for the Vibrant going on. It's just not far along enough yet for an experimental release.
You can follow wesgarner and scepterr on Twitter for the latest updates since they're heading the Vibrant branch. Wes is primarily focused on the MT3G Slide a the moment though since he promised to work on that one first and it's farther along, but he has also been actively working on the Vibrant too.

I just want CM6 on Vibrant to see Wes work his hiney off
No, not really. But I know he will.
The CM team adds a year to our gadgets. All I really want is to get rid of the stinky calendar app right now, and I can do that without CM6 (4,5 or 7, whatever). In eight months, though, when 1.5 or 2gH processors are selling, some ingenious JIT tweak revolutionizes speed, and/or the size of Google Earth becomes more commonplace, I'm going to want CM. I'm going to want it to be in its ruts, hashed & rehashed. Im not necessarily expecting it, but I sure am gonna want it, and be grateful if it's there for me and my old phone.
The CM team is also willing to try new stuff, and can get a load of people to test it. So Apps2SD started where? Got popular how? It's stock now?
CM is open source, and has got a lot of people using and understanding what open source is. The social aspect of software is all too often misunderstood, or just plain dismissed. XDA-developers has revolutionized software as we know it. We'd all be spoon fed M$ users without this site, and possilby without CM specifically. These guys will be in software history textbooks.
So, I'm working donations into my budget. I'ts much cheaper than buying a new phone every few months, or putting up with stock software on old hardware. I will pay these guys as long as they're willing to work their magic.
(By the way, every once is a while I crack out my old Tmo MDA, just for kicks for a few hours. It works beautifully thanks to a custom ROM. Thinking about giving it to my Mom just so she can have a Tmo "smartphone." I love XDA. I love open source, even when it's not exactly.)

ROMS!!

I love all these "What doesn't work..." ROMS. LOVE IT! Thanks DEVS/ROM DEVS

So don't use them?

Oh i don't. Couldn't, they are not full roms, incomplete

Well they are just trying to bring that new experience to everyone else. One of the most popular roms for our phone doesnt have 4g or hdmi working, and the ported roms dont have those working + camera not working. It really aint that bad. If you can put up with Cyanogenmod, then you can put up with the other ports.
Cyanogenmod and the ports are all pretty much faster than the stock roms too, so there's a huge plus side right there.

snandlal said:
I love all these "What doesn't work..." ROMS. LOVE IT! Thanks DEVS/ROM DEVS
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First go read this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814274
Second when you develop YOUR Desire HD ROM let us know we are dieing for a full working version.
Sorry that the ROMs that are incomplete have put you out. Maybe you should flash stock everything works on it.
Also please try to refrain from post more brainless topics.

i have a full rom that actually works and for people that like partial roms, these "what doesn't work" things will do fine. I like functionality

snandlal said:
i have a full rom that actually works and for people that like partial roms, these "what doesn't work" things will do fine. I like functionality
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I don't know what your talking about the only ROMs that are incomplete are the HD Desire ROMs. ALL of the other ROMs should be complete. I know my ROM is or at least as far as I know it is. You are not everyone, some people don't use the camera and don't live in a 4G area (most of us). So the HD Desire ROMs appeal to them. Quite thinking about yourself for a moment.
Also those "incomplete" desire roms give people like me a chance to star developing new ROMs using it as a base. SO when the camera is fixed we will be ready to rock. I'm sure THAT would be fine with you.
The world is full of other people.. just letting you know.

snandlal said:
i have a full rom that actually works and for people that like partial roms, these "what doesn't work" things will do fine. I like functionality
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I am guessing the new ROM your using had everything from the beginning? Camera worked perfect, 4G worked perfect, HDMI worked perfect, no bugs what-so-ever? It doesn't have Sense does it...hopefully not...
Can I know the name of this Rom, if so? And I am guessing its made by you, because who would be stupid enough to bad mouth other people's work that they have done for FREE and because they enjoy it and want to share it with the rest of us.
I really think you should go elsewhere, and stay off XDA. As this site is about helping people, not bad mouthing what these people are doing for us because they want to.
Thanks.

snandlal said:
I love all these "What doesn't work..." ROMS. LOVE IT! Thanks DEVS/ROM DEVS
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What does this post contribute? Nothing. Does it serve a point other than to express your self-valued opinion? No.
gtfo

Look at these so called roms. They have lists of important features that "aren't working". They keep adding useless apps and call it a new version. Pathetic

Uncle jimmy says hello

Ok so what do you suggest? Maybe the rom DEVELOPERS, key word devolpers, should hold out on these roms until its completely functional and not give anyone the chance to DEVELOP them and test for bugs and issues? Im sorry but did Apple release a fully working OS for Iphone? Or did Verizon release a fully working Droid rom, or Sprint a fully working EVO rom? Maybe had these companies release fully working products then XDA and custom roms wouldnt exist. The roms are created to give users a better product and make them work the way they should have out of the box. Cyanogen started a 2.2 rom for the hero that had items that didnt work at first but through testing releases and community feedback they got it completely working.
Id like a copy of YOUR completely working rom. Id like to run it for a week and prove theres not a single issue what so ever.
The developers clearly state that its an incomplete rom if theres items not working and clearly tell you what isnt working. They do this to give you the option to test with them or to stay away.
Your post, and Im sure you know this, is the exact reason developers have left here. Maybe you should create your own site, develop your own roms, and forget XDA. Had it not been for here my 3 previous phones and this one would be in the trash because of HTC and Sprints crap software that gave horrible battery life.
Thanks to Fresh's rom Im at 18h 21m and 40% battery left. On Sprints crap I was dead 8 hours. Ill gladly take a developmental rom to get that kind of battery, especially since I havent found anything not working.

Oh get off their nuts. Its been months. You test fully functioning software with bugs and glitches....NOT part of an OS and call it testing. The functions AREN'T there to test

Actually slick, you test the working parts of the rom while developers complete the parts that arent working and release update when their fixed. Have you never been part of a beta community or testing in general? Game developers (Infinity Ward for example) do this before every release. Call of Duty is a prime example. They release partially finished products then finish the remaining aspects.
So how about your rom? It sounds like its the best one ever made.

Actually ****, there is nothing to test. Its "what doesn't work" action. Say your only about partial. Typical simp

Get back to work kiesha

Ok, your right and I apologize for questioning your abilities as a developer and thinking you actually were as impaired as your posts make you seem. I guess its time to go back to Sprints stock rom and deal with the inability to put out a quality product that doesnt need further developing.
I look forward to the masterpiece youve created and hopefully soon it will be released to show the world what a dominating force you are in the development world.
And no, there is absolutely no sarcasm in this post at all, you really are my hero...

Another ungrateful person who complains when things don't happen the way they think it should posting another pointless thread that is meant to stir **** up.
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Thank you. Finally you guys see. Im glad people can admit when they are looking at things wrong

Ungrateful is using or having something and not appreciating it. I dont use those junkies

HD2 Android development stall

I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl, we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such. Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues, and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know, but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works, just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead. The roms used to work 100%, but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round. And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing! And I don't mind donating when something is GOOD, when it works and I appreciate the technical work that went in to make it work...not the technical work that went in to make it look pretty, at the expense of some fairy disastrous issues.
Please xda, enough with the benchmark willy waving competition! Please somebody just go back to making things that work rather than pretty...pretty useless...eyecandy!
And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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Peteryoung said:
I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl, we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such. Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues, and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know, but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works, just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead. The roms used to work 100%, but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round. And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing! And I don't mind donating when something is GOOD, when it works and I appreciate the technical work that went in to make it work...not the technical work that went in to make it look pretty, at the expense of some fairy disastrous issues.
Please xda, enough with the benchmark willy waving competition! Please somebody just go back to making things that work rather than pretty...pretty useless...eyecandy!
And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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yes...so why not starting today...make a ROM urself ???

We are all waiting for .35 desire kernel source from HTC?

Peteryoung said:
I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl,
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No, that is because there are less top devs on the device now, Some have moved on to different devices.
Peteryoung said:
we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such.
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Not at all, ist do to with view counts, posts created etc.
Peteryoung said:
Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues,
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What you "need" has nothing to do with it, devs dont work on the roms because they have to, They do it because they WANT to, They work on what they "need" or want to and then share the work.
Peteryoung said:
and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know,
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Correct.
Peteryoung said:
but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...
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Completely disagree, The work and progress done on the Sense 3 roms is amazing, Sorry you are too ignorant and ungrateful to appreciate that.
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I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works,
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Then go and download one of the older non-sense froyo/GB roms like NexusHD2.
Peteryoung said:
just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead.
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Well that's your problem, The fact that you are having to do this means that you are CHOOSING to install work in progress builds rather then more developed builds, Its your fault and your problem.
Peteryoung said:
The roms used to work 100%,
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Err no they didn't, They was developed into a state where they eventually worked and the same will happen to Sense roms.
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but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round.
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Then go download one?!?!
Peteryoung said:
And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing!
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sense Roms where never designed to run on HD2 and that is why they are been developed to do so! If you don't want to be patient or be part of the testing then that's your choice, go and download a simple stock rom!
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And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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Desire base has been ported already and doesn't need more work until the desire gets and update. If you like the desire base so much why don't you just stick to the roms already available? Ill tell you why because you enjoy trying new builds, again that's your decision but you cant then complain just because most of the devs are hard at work on what THEY want to work on rather then what YOU want them to work on!
I personally don't want them to work on anything else apart from the kingdom, why? because its down to personal preference just like yours, at the end of the day its upto each individual dev what they work on!
PS. Please go and learn how to use paragraphs and sentence breaks etc as it just gets on your nerves when trying to read big long blocks like that.

ugh. this crap again? really? another thread dedicated to complaining that xda isn't giving you everything you want yesterday? and what do you expect with this kind of "support" - developers to come running over to you and ask you what you want?
this is exactly, exactly, what pushes people away from here.
really, you should have stopped with "I'm being a whiney little bugger" and just left. really, no one is begging you to stay. you aren't contributing; you are detracting. go on; leave.
@ theatheist - your points (as usual) are right on

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ugh. this crap again? really? another thread dedicated to complaining that xda isn't giving you everything you want yesterday? and what do you expect with this kind of "support" - developers to come running over to you and ask you what you want?
this is exactly, exactly, what pushes people away from here.
really, you should have stopped with "I'm being a whiney little bugger" and just left. really, no one is begging you to stay. you aren't contributing; you are detracting. go on; leave.
@ theatheist - your points (as usual) are right on
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Seconded!
Ignorant people like this OP need banning.

TheATHEiST said:
Seconded!
Ignorant people like this OP need banning.
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Ignorant people, like myself, don't need banning; they need educating - like in your first posting.
I don't tend to go for the latest development, but rather one that works well.
If I want to try out a different version of SD Android, then I read what the chef has posted and all the posts relating to that specific release version. If it states that the camera isn't working yet, then I'll leave it as I use the camera. If it is noted that Bluetooth doesn't connect properly to headset, then I would use it, as I don't Bluetooth.

Playing the devil here:
At some point I can understand Peteryoung and I have seen several other people complain about this as well.
I have the HD2 just to toy around next to my E71 which makes it easy to say that I don't need a +90% working image. If something doesn't work tough ... and I will try another.
It would be nice to have the old trusty working roms like the one from Rafdroid updated to the latest working apps and all of the known fixes in 1 package.
I'm no developer but I am sure some of you could tweak the 'older' sense roms and incorperate all the latest working things. The GPS fixes are a nice example.
I personally applaud the devs in that thread for feedback and just trying to get it to work using feedback and interacting on it.
If the devs are focusing on newer type of roms, so be it and let them do it.
Lets face it, Android is fun on the HD2 but still it is a bit 'playing' around.

A retraction
Guys, I'm sorry
I think I was having a right cranky day when I penned that last grouchy missive.
I stand thoroughly ashamed and rightfully corrected on my last thoughts.
I really do appreciate all the work the devs put in for free here. I really do love the older desire roms and I guess I'm getting old, starting to refuse the changes of the times
I take it all back, I guess I really should stick to what I know best and let the youngsters do what they do best...making NEW stuff, not old.
I must say, I feel a little aggrieved at the sheer vitriol my post gained in response, but hey I guess after I'd battered everybody else with my tirade - that's just what I deserve.
Anyway, I hope the community can find it in their collective hearts to forgive this old sinner - I promise I won't write any more critical tirades on xda any more!
Apologies xda, I love you really xx
Peteryoung
P.S - Was the paragraph structure a little easier on the eye this time round?

Some just are not happy with ****...hey, you don't like it, move on back to WM6.5 where everything works. This is not a native android device so be lucky these developers are spending hours and days and more hours and more days so whiney ass spoiled brats like you can use their work for FREE. Be lucky you can even have ANDROID on the HD2! Another thing is there are plenty of what I consider perfect roms to choose from and many I have donated too.
Your apology is a joke you are still just acting like a *****...man up and get over yourself....

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Ignorant people, like myself, don't need banning; they need educating - like in your first posting.
I don't tend to go for the latest development, but rather one that works well.
If I want to try out a different version of SD Android, then I read what the chef has posted and all the posts relating to that specific release version. If it states that the camera isn't working yet, then I'll leave it as I use the camera. If it is noted that Bluetooth doesn't connect properly to headset, then I would use it, as I don't Bluetooth.
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Exactly
we are at liberty to choose any rom available here irrespective of the development progress
it is fun to flash...Ah, I miss old time when I had to flash ROM 2-3 times a week
Cheers...

[Q] What is rasbeanjelly?

I googled for a bit and found a few screenshots here and there..and this is the closest I've found to a definition
This is not cyanogenmod. Everything is hand codes by rascarlo and not cherry picked like jelly bro. Means instead of getting the code for all the phones cm supports you get only the necessary code. Its a real bare bones ROM. Its only for a select few and an acquired taste.
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Is that it? Basically a minimal pure JB experience for the N4 "mako" specifically that we can then add customizations as we like?
Just trying to understand.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=34981366
Read the first post to see what's included in the ROM
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium

A name of a ROM.

i read that post..much of those items listed in the first post went right over my head.
i was looking more for a philosophical answer; why this over cynanagen or paranoid (both of which i understand).

zephiK said:
A name of a ROM.
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i thought this forum was to ask any question no matter how stupid

Reading the OP sounds like a AOSP rom built from Nexus 4 source.

nyvram1 said:
i thought this forum was to ask any question no matter how stupid
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And I answered it?
All ROMs are free. Just flash it and try out the ROM. It's not like once you flash a ROM you can't go back.
Make a nandroid backup, flash ROM + gapps, try it.
Don't like it? Nandroid restore from your backup and it'll feel like you just time traveled.

nyvram1 said:
i thought this forum was to ask any question no matter how stupid
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It is. That is, if you're willing to deal with the consequences.

tarro, thats kind of what i'm getting at. i'm trying to juggle like 3 phone forums (mytouch, hd2 and nexus 4) and its hard to keep up with all the toolkits and ROMs for each when you're not immersed in this every day.
it took me a month to wrap my head around cyanogen, AOSP, paranoid and now rasbean just showed up so i'm trying to educate myself on all these different products.

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tarro, thats kind of what i'm getting at. i'm trying to juggle like 3 phone forums (mytouch, hd2 and nexus 4) and its hard to keep up with all the toolkits and ROMs for each when you're not immersed in this every day.
it took me a month to wrap my head around cyanogen, AOSP, paranoid and now rasbean just showed up so i'm trying to educate myself on all these different products.
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I think rasbeanjelly is far less modified than CM. It is VERY quick and stable. Not everyone wants all those extras. If you're curious, make a nandroid and flash the ROM.

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tarro, thats kind of what i'm getting at. i'm trying to juggle like 3 phone forums (mytouch, hd2 and nexus 4) and its hard to keep up with all the toolkits and ROMs for each when you're not immersed in this every day.
it took me a month to wrap my head around cyanogen, AOSP, paranoid and now rasbean just showed up so i'm trying to educate myself on all these different products.
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Rasbeanjelly is a very niche Rom that is heavily themed and customized by Rascarlo to HIS liking. It is very fast, very stable, but also not as customizeable as CM or AOKP. If you like the theme and the way it comes configured it is an extremely nice Rom. However, if you like to tweak every aspect and have tons of goodies you wont like it.....oh, and the blue everywhere takes some getting used to also.

zephiK said:
And I answered it?
All ROMs are free..
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not really. there's a time commitment in going to the trouble to start down the custom ROM path with any phone. i konw this..been doing ROM updates on here since my old SDA.
i just want to know what it is..things like paranoid are NOT just ROMs..they're completely different way of approaching your phone and it would be stupid to flash if you didnt have a basic understanding of what is going on there.
i admit to being a thicky whale omelet, but it took me about an hour of reading before it finally clicked what paranoid did for you.
thats all i was trying to ask here was if i was understanding the point of rasbean.

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tarro, thats kind of what i'm getting at. i'm trying to juggle like 3 phone forums (mytouch, hd2 and nexus 4) and its hard to keep up with all the toolkits and ROMs for each when you're not immersed in this every day.
it took me a month to wrap my head around cyanogen, AOSP, paranoid and now rasbean just showed up so i'm trying to educate myself on all these different products.
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Then dont juggle between those 3 phones. Its obvious that N4 is the most superior one out of the three. You don't have to keep up with anything. A dev forum is like a shopping guide. You just don't know how to distinguish what makes that ROM popular, just read the features / search on youtube.
They're FREE roms.. just flash and experiment. It's not that difficult. Rasbeanjelly is a minimalistic ROM skinned to be all black.
not really. there's a time commitment in going to the trouble to start down the custom ROM path with any phone. i konw this..been doing ROM updates on here since my old SDA.
i just want to know what it is..things like paranoid are NOT just ROMs..they're completely different way of approaching your phone and it would be stupid to flash if you didnt have a basic understanding of what is going on there.
i admit to being a thicky whale omelet, but it took me about an hour of reading before it finally clicked what paranoid did for you.
thats all i was trying to ask here was if i was understanding the point of rasbean.
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You don't have to commit anything for a ROM. You just look at it, if it impresses you. Read the last couple pages for user feedback. Still like it? Flash it.
Don't like it? Nandroid restore back to what you were using before.
Go watch a youtube video. People do videos on these ROMs. Basic understanding of what? A lot of roms are identical and "kang" features off of each other and give credit where its due. Even what YOU quoted says that.

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Then dont juggle between those 3 phones. Its obvious that N4 is the most superior one out of the three. lack.
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my wife has the HD2, my kids have the myTouch phones (christmas gifts) and i wanted to make all 3 phones as nice for them as possible.

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my wife has the HD2, my kids have the myTouch phones (christmas gifts) and i wanted to make all 3 phones as nice for them as possible.
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Flashing ROMs on other peoples' phone is a huge nono. It puts a responsibility on yourself.
You don't have to update their ROM everyday. They're not "phone nerds" and want their phone to be flashed new ROMs. Some people just want a phone that works out of the box. Not to mention, development for those phones aren't as huge as Nexus devices. myTouch brand has been declining.

the kids got the phones off ebay at christmas; they're capable little devices but i needed to remove the TMOBILE bloat first to make them usable.
the HD2 was retired with cracked glass for ages until i saw the android forum, dusted it off and put JB on it. it was so wonderful i had a guy in town put a new piece of glass on it and she's been loving it ever since.
i don't update their roms all the time; but the point was i have been all over the boards on here getting everyone's phone up and going and can't keep up with it all.
would you disagree i should have left those other phones alone?

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the kids got the phones off ebay at christmas; they're capable little devices but i needed to remove the TMOBILE bloat first to make them usable.
the HD2 was retired with cracked glass for ages until i saw the android forum, dusted it off and put JB on it. it was so wonderful i had a guy in town put a new piece of glass on it and she's been loving it ever since.
i don't update their roms all the time; but the point was i have been all over the boards on here getting everyone's phone up and going and can't keep up with it all.
would you disagree i should have left those other phones alone?
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You don't need a ROM to remove T-Mobile bloatware. All you need is root access. Development on those devices are vary limited and its hardware is starting to show its age to the point where newer ROMs with newer Android versions actually slow down the phone and a lot of 'hacks' are done to have that particular Android version because HTC/Huawei abandoned support for the phone.
HD2: You kind of went off-topic as my point is that you don't have to maintain all of their devices and keep flashing stuff for them. I'm sure they just want a phone that works and they don't care what Android version is on their phone. Most of the people I know in person don't really care unless they're tech savvy.
In the end to answer your question, Rasbeanjelly is a ROM.
Each ROM has their own features and the developer can choose to implement whichever features they want in their ROM. Some ROMs are minimal, feature-heavy, clean code, themed, 'kangs' (unofficial releases based off their source) with 'cherry picks' (stuff that isnt in their ROM but included their commits that are pending approval or stuff that just simply works)

nyvram1 said:
i thought this forum was to ask any question no matter how stupid
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No matter how stupid questions go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1980135
No need to start a new thread for this.

This question isn't really about the nexus as much as a general question about that rom

Best daily driver rom for my N4...
Fast, bloat free, and very stable...
Take it for a spin... Happy Flashing...