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Guys and Gals -
First off, I had a read through and I'm glad for you all that it looks like you might get a working camera with the 2.1 leak. Congratulations to whomever figured it out.
Now on to the not so good news. This morning I received an email from the developer of a popular market application. It seems that someone has put out a ROM full of stolen software, and associated my name with it, as they took the boot image from one of my ROMS and called it their own. This developer and I have squared things away, so no harm no foul on my end.
It does leave me in a dilemma. Rather than have my name tossed in to a mix like this again, I've decided that I'm finished developing for the Hero. Enjoy the work, I won't take it down, and if I can get Google Earth and Nexus one wallpapers working a bit better (yes I have it loading and running, but it locks the system up after 30 seconds or so) I'll pass that fix to the few people here who have helped out so that they can package it up in any way they like.
The person responsible (and I won't name names - they know who they are, and the work they put out with my name attached isn't hard to find) has really soured me. I have been an open source developer for almost 20 years, and am very happy that the carrier I use for cellular service finally released a (mostly) open source operating system for me to play with. The way I see it this leaves me with two choices:
1. - Stop releasing work that others can use in any way they like
2. - Stop developing altogether for the Hero.
I chose number 2. There is already enough closed development and a "I'm first" mindset. That also goes against everything I believe in, so it's not an option. Bundling my name with software piracy and IP theft is not an option either. I will not let this happen again.
Keep the flames and ignorant comments to yourself please. I've thought about this all day, and this is my decision. I'll always be available to help others in any way I can, but I won't be publishing any more work. Rather then wasting time and energy to tell me how wrong I am, please use that effort to congratulate the individual who has placed me in this position. Sorry, but it is what it is.
Jerry.
03/06/2010
20:52
Thanks for all your help and support.
drink water move on...
You can't let one person mess something up for everyone else...That's not right.
please name the rom, that way some of us can boycott that rom..
shouldn't let this one person stop you from doing what you love to do though...
gbhil ..you've done a great job with the kernel + hack ..your work is very respected around here..do not go...
Gbhil didnt mention it. Dont know if he will.
oh damn that sucks im digging your roms i hate to see you go !
id love to know the rom that your talking about
i hope change your mind and stick around
well chances are he will wont be changing his mind any time soon well lets look at the roms there are
flipz-him and cghil have done alot of work together
theres
darch- who gbhil has helped out a bit and he doenst have alot of software on there thats not allowed
Aloysius 1.0 ROM - dont know alot about this rom anyone know about this rom.
[ROM] Souffle 1.2- same as above
and there can be more roms else were but those what i have seen here
not trying to get flamed here but who knows im trying to figure this out like you guys
icm714 said:
well chances are he will wont be changing his mind any time soon well lets look at the roms there are
flipz-him and cghil have done alot of work together
theres
darch- who gbhil has helped out a bit and he doenst have alot of software on there thats not allowed
Aloysius 1.0 ROM - dont know alot about this rom anyone know about this rom.
[ROM] Souffle 1.2- same as above
and there can be more roms else were but those what i have seen here
not trying to get flamed here but who knows im trying to figure this out like you guys
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Don't forget BIKCMP with the Pancake rom, but he seems to be respectable too IMO. I don't think I've seen a rom yet that doesn't incorporate at the least Gbhils custom memory killer kernel.
Thanks for your work!
Aaaaand ill bite my tongue regarding badmouthery. Jerkasses ruin everything !
robchaos said:
Don't forget Pancake. In fact I don't think I've seen a rom yet that doesn't incorporate at the least his custom memory killer kernel.
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yeah they all do but who uses his boot screen is the question so if we can pin point that we can go from there i know flipz has his own, and darch did a custom one any one know gumbos boot screen
yea but most if not all of them are pretty much software free
icm714 said:
well chances are he will wont be changing his mind any time soon well lets look at the roms there are
flipz-him and cghil have done alot of work together
theres
darch- who gbhil has helped out a bit and he doenst have alot of software on there thats not allowed
Aloysius 1.0 ROM - dont know alot about this rom anyone know about this rom.
[ROM] Souffle 1.2- same as above
and there can be more roms else were but those what i have seen here
not trying to get flamed here but who knows im trying to figure this out like you guys
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don't forget about the pancake rom that's based off of gb's kernel. btw thanks for your hard work, sad to see you go.
Thank you
Well, first lets thank gbhil for his effort, time, and work that he's put into helping us develop.
His guidance has helped almost every project associated with the CDMA Hero.
You will be missed.
That being said, let us not take this as setback. Use it as inspiration to get your own hands dirty. There's no better time than now to learn the trade.
And please, don't go on a witchhunt to attempt to bring this person to "justice." It puts the entire community into a bad light, something that a lot of us don't want.
HEY GBHIL dont leave f00, ur roms rox my sox in a box of rox. i was using flipz old 2.1 rom (before droid eris leak) and then i switched to ur droid eris leak remake or w/e and i was like AMAGADZ its so 1337 and fast. it's almost like the hero isnt a crappy slow 524mhz processor with ur rom. let us know the dev's ip who put the pirated stuff up so we can pwnz his comput0r with 1337 hax0rz
Decad3nce said:
Well, first lets thank gbhil for his effort, time, and work that he's put into helping us develop.
His guidance has helped almost every project associated with the CDMA Hero.
You will be missed.
That being said, let us not take this as setback. Use it as inspiration to get your own hands dirty. There's no better time than now to learn the trade.
And please, don't go on a witchhunt to attempt to bring this person to "justice." It puts the entire community into a bad light, something that a lot of us don't want.
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from what i have learned here ppc and android central i have started tweaking roms to my liking i will soon start to learn how to build a rom of from leaked dumps
He'll def be missed.
Is GDE a paid app?
Aloysius 1.0 ROM comes with GDE, a paid market app........... It uses gbhils kernel
I apperciated your work gbhil, and I understand your postion
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yeah they all do but who uses his boot screen is the question so if we can pin point that we can go from there i know flipz has his own, and darch did a custom one any one know gumbos boot screen
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I think when he says boot image he might mean the actual boot.img of his roms. That has to be modified for his kernel to work in the first place, so everything out there incorporating his work has in some way used it.
auxny said:
HEY GBHIL dont leave f00, ur roms rox my sox in a box of rox. i was using flipz old 2.1 rom (before droid eris leak) and then i switched to ur droid eris leak remake or w/e and i was like AMAGADZ its so 1337 and fast. it's almost like the hero isnt a crappy slow 524mhz processor with ur rom. let us know the dev's ip who put the pirated stuff up so we can pwnz his comput0r with 1337 hax0rz
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can you speak english please.
I'm speaking the interwebz version of english, thank you very much
So with all the Roms that we have available today for the Droid Eris, which one is the best in every way? Even though very few people im sure have got a chance to try each and every Eris ROM. Give us some input.
Thanks
no such thing as the greatest rom. what I think is the answer, someone else might not agree. now me personally, i like the vanilla/cyanogen roms. currently running celb
I have always been a fan of any ROM done by framework. His work ethic is good and he is responsive to input. He has sensless, Evil Eris, and CyanEris. Right now, however, he is working through some small tweaks that promise to be great when fixed and repackaged into a single ROM again. That said I have recently been on ErisLightningBolt Cyan and it is phenomenal! This is a cyanogen ported ROM that conap is kicking butt on making. With 2.4 it is now extremely stable and EVERYTHING works, except for mms outgoing. It runs smooth, snappy, and cool. It also has the best battery life of the cyanogen ROMs avail right now IMO. As far as non cyan I also loved Aloysius 2.0 Snow. Again another extremely stable rom that everything just works without having to mess with a bunch of crap.
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I have always been a fan of any ROM done by framework. His work ethic is good and he is responsive to input. He has sensless, Evil Eris, and CyanEris. Right now, however, he is working through some small tweaks that promise to be great when fixed and repackaged into a single ROM again. That said I have recently been on ErisLightningBolt Cyan and it is phenomenal!
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+1 on that! Framework's stuff is always good... he's been a little busy recently, but he's always good with "finishing" his projects!
on top of that... i'm a "no-sense" (literally... lol) kinda guy. i LOVE the Cyanogen ErisLightingBolt release. and, i ALWAYS have a NAND of Tainted Vanilla handy. it WAS my ONLY daily ROM and everything "just worked" with it (super fast and smooth). but man... CELB2.4 is sweet!
however, you'll just have to see what you prefer... and try a few out. that's what i had to do!
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I have always been a fan of any ROM done by framework. His work ethic is good and he is responsive to input. He has sensless, Evil Eris, and CyanEris. Right now, however, he is working through some small tweaks that promise to be great when fixed and repackaged into a single ROM again. That said I have recently been on ErisLightningBolt Cyan and it is phenomenal! This is a cyanogen ported ROM that conap is kicking butt on making. With 2.4 it is now extremely stable and EVERYTHING works, except for mms outgoing. It runs smooth, snappy, and cool. It also has the best battery life of the cyanogen ROMs avail right now IMO. As far as non cyan I also loved Aloysius 2.0 Snow. Again another extremely stable rom that everything just works without having to mess with a bunch of crap.
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I guess im lucky, i havent had the outgoing mms issue with 2.4. I dont often use mms, mostly gmail to send stuff like that, but i have tried it out since i flashed both the rom, and the theme i applied. Of course i also have done the apn fix on the rom, that might have something to do with it but over all i find this extremely stable and well worth downloading
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which one is the best in every way?
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It's impossible that one ROM is "best" in "every way".
The ROM devs focus on different things, and try to optimize those things.
The Froyo ROMs are "the best" at being a 2.2 based ROM - but I doubt anybody uses them day-to-day.
Some people like bug-free, some like eye-candy, some want to optimize their Linpack results, some like Sense, some hate Sense.
What is good about this is that as the devs gain experience making a certain package work well, the other devs get the benefit of their knowledge & experience (hopefully), and all the ROMs get better with time.
bftb0
gorgio1 said:
which one is the best in every way?
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Install and use all of them and pick one. THAT one is "the best".
Like everyone else "best" ROM no such thing... if you want stock -run Ivans official rom... Ive tested every rom, and im back to ivans... best out there IMO, r00t!!!
White Widow is the best
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White Widow is the best
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I second that. It's pretty much bugless now. Normal battery life and LinPacks in the 5+ range all the time. Facebook sync works as well. You get real time updates and interaction from the developer on Google Wave. It's very interactive getting to have real input on the ROM. Plus, you don't have to deal with people trolling and flaming. Everyone should check it out.
White Widow Official Discussion Wave
WHITE WIDOW IS THE BEST BY FAR
it is also constantly updated and there is an update that should be out pretty soon.
White Widow 3.2
By far.
You'll find it on Google Wave, not the forums. Too much complaining about it.
Fast, vanilla, stable.
I was totally being sarcastic, White Widow is one of the worst, but at least you get the point that you don't want to take anyone's word for it just try them out yourself.
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I was totally being sarcastic, White Widow is one of the worst, but at least you get the point that you don't want to take anyone's word for it just try them out yourself.
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You been bad mouthing WW for weeks. Its understandable, you do not like it. But you made your shots at the developer, not the ROM itself. That's fine, you have a chip on your shoulder.
But it seems a bit odd you try to be sarcastic with very non sarcastic words with little to no reason to do so.
It's a bit more odd you respond to your own sarcasm without being prompted.
In fact, every post I have seen of yours are negative.
Are you a troll in disguise?
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You been bad mouthing WW for weeks. Its understandable, you do not like it. But you made your shots at the developer, not the ROM itself. That's fine, you have a chip on your shoulder.
But it seems a bit odd you try to be sarcastic with very non sarcastic words with little to no reason to do so.
It's a bit more odd you respond to your own sarcasm without being prompted.
In fact, every post I have seen of yours are negative.
Are you a troll in disguise?
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Enjoy your ROM, I hope he gets a C&D order since he's distributing it with google ****s.
Distributing it or not.
Other ROM's that canot distribute google ****s provide a link to download it.
Reminiscent of pirates bay-esque thinking. "We don't distribute it, we simply provide a way for you to download it"
Same thing.
Carreno43 said:
Distributing it or not.
Other ROM's that canot distribute google ****s provide a link to download it.
Reminiscent of pirates bay-esque thinking. "We don't distribute it, we simply provide a way for you to download it"
Same thing.
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Just shows his inability to follow the rules, instead of keeping it separate he distributes it with his ROM, he steals themes, he includes 3rd party applications.
I can't believe you guys would trust a kernel from someone who has been caught on multiple occasions taking other peoples work and calling it his own. Enjoy your back doored kernel, i hope you don't use mint.com!
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Just shows his inability to follow the rules, instead of keeping it separate he distributes it with his ROM, he steals themes, he includes 3rd party applications.
I can't believe you guys would trust a kernel from someone who has been caught on multiple occasions taking other peoples work and calling it his own. Enjoy your back doored kernel, i hope you don't use mint.com!
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...taking other peoples work
-Credit was given-
...instead of keeping it separate he distributes it with his ROM
-Providing a link is the same evil-
...steals themes
-There is no theme-
...includes 3rd party applications.
-There is more than one ROM guilty of this-
... back doored kernel
-Unproven troll-legations-
Let's stop making this a 'Let's back up Andrizoid' thread.
He already has a laughable reputation with anyone putting credible and worthwhile effort into developing ROMs. It doesn't much matter what everyone thinks.
As well, it's pretty obvious that taking other peoples' work and having it all seamlessly integrate makes for a GREAT ROM. As it turns out, when everyone else has already done the leg work, and you slap it together, great things can happen. Funny how that works.
White Widow might be a great ROM. That's what this is about. Don't use the fact that you can discuss things on Google Wave with the "developer" (if he calls himself that) as a positive trait of this ROM. It has nothing to do with it. I wouldn't use White Widow on Principle. Let whoever wants to use/download it decide that.
I think Ivan's Eris_Official 1.0 is the best stock-looking SenseUI ROM. It is the most stable ROM of ANY ROM (although may be equivalently stable to Plain Jane), and has the most saught after features available to put together with it (apps2sd, overclocking, optimized .pngs in all the .apks, wifi tether, etc). It's my favorite because it LOOKs just like everyone else's hero/eris, but is infinitely more capable.
EvilEris 3 is one of my favorites as well, as again I love SenseUI (every time I go vanilla, I come back to Sense even though its slower), and the skin is perfect. It also includes some of the Sense widgets that Incredible users and Legend users get that weren't included on the Eris (great job with the OpenSense plugin, Framework43 !). Sense crashes sometimes, and the GPS icon stays on the top, but it's because of all of the great features and skinning he's done. Great daily ROM.
just my 2 cents here
If its your code he "stole" take it up with him. If its your friends, inform your friend, otherwise its not much of your concern? unless your into joining that patent lawsuit with Steve B-Jobs
Is it just me or does it seem like everyone and their mother are posting Roms in the Evo development subforum?
I'm not going to name names or anything, but there seem to be a few teams that work very hard at distinguishing themselves as great releases only to get overtaken by people launching derivatives that are not much more than wallpaper changes of the very same roms?
Many of us can tell the distinction between the two, but I worry about new folks coming in who have no idea. I'm not going to spread FUD, but installing roms from an untrustworthy source is a great way for real problems to be introduced into the security model of the Android platform.
Does anyone else see this as a concern? Are there any solutions we as a group can come up with? Is this really not a big deal?
Yes you are correct
OMG I changed the color of the call [email protected]!!!!! NEW ROM!!!!!
Instead of theme change.
Either go cyanogen (uber premium) or stay rooted stock.
No need for the other bs. They don't do anything.
Now the kernels, I like, keep them going though. But the roms need to stop.
I think people are just making them in a sad attempt to gain free donations for their "efforts" or lack thereof.
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Either go cyanogen (uber premium) or stay rooted stock.
No need for the other bs. They don't do anything.
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so let me get this straight. you're automatically dismissing OMJ's work, Baked Snack, Fresh, Damage Control, etc. just to name a few, simply because they are not cyanogen? better at ease son.
secondly, you can't simply lock down the forum for the "legendary" cooks. what happens if a noobie comes in with a simply stellar rom that gives us 12 years of battery life and the ability to teleport but because he's not Cyanogen, he can't release? that seems a little asinine.
i think people need to be responsible for their own phones. research, do a little leg work, talk with some forum members, make an informed decision and go with it.
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so let me get this straight. you're automatically dismissing OMJ's work, Baked Snack, Fresh, Damage Control, etc. just to name a few, simply because they are not cyanogen? better at ease son.
secondly, you can't simply lock down the forum for the "legendary" cooks. what happens if a noobie comes in with a simply stellar rom that gives us 12 years of battery life and the ability to teleport but because he's not Cyanogen, he can't release? that seems a little asinine.
i think people need to be responsible for their own phones. research, do a little leg work, talk with some forum members, make an informed decision and go with it.
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Nice way of twisting what I said. BTW...
Nice upoad speed dude 44mb
I'm still a relative newb to Android, but I can see how it would be easy to get overloaded with all the ROMs out there. I've bounced back and forth between Fresh, CM6, and rooted stock for a while and I finally got sick of having to set up my phone over and over again (yes, I know about Titanium, but it's not good for certain types of things). Anyway, I finally said f*** it and flashed CM6 again and have left it there. None of them are perfect, but CM6 works the best for me.
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Nice way of twisting what I said. BTW...
Nice upoad speed dude 44mb
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Less twisting then what you think. It's not CM or stay stock. I personally ran CM nightlies and CM6, both times I left them because even with all the fine work he's done there are very large and blatant things I don't think are great about it.
Does that mean it's low end, no, but there are lots of Roms every bit as highend and polished as CM.
Now on the main OP, I agree that we are seeing a flood, but also that there is nothing to do about it in an open community which is pushing people to tweak and express and share. It is what it is, and if they aren't calling out the people who put in the actual time into said Rom and giving them all the praise for the actual work then shame on them.
One way to help new users do research, is if there was a chart comparing the more popular roms... o wait there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746611
pretty unbiased test that compares several features that most people would look for in a rom.
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One way to help new users do research, is if there was a chart comparing the more popular roms... o wait there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746611
pretty unbiased test that compares several features that most people would look for in a rom.
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Neif, you crack me up whenever I see you pushing your grid. I've been dircting people to the wiki to check it out, but good luck trying to stay on top of all of the new releases. More power to you.
And to bring the thread back on topic - there do seem to be a lot of roms floating around that don't really seem to bring anything new to the table.
People are just posting what works for them. I am glad there are so many ROMs. If you think this is bad, I guess you never had a G1.
This really isnt something I'd be complaining about. Check out SDX forums (Moment support). Theres like one rom still receiving updates. The Hero forum is also losing support. Im more than happy to see people pushing a rom they cooked. It means the kitchens out there are actually getting used for the reason they were made available. Imo thats what open source is all about. If you dont trust it, dont flash it. Its that simple.
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This really isnt something I'd be complaining about. Check out SDX forums (Moment support). Theres like one rom still receiving updates. The Hero forum is also losing support. Im more than happy to see people pushing a rom they cooked. It means the kitchens out there are actually getting used for the reason they were made available. Imo thats what open source is all about. If you dont trust it, dont flash it. Its that simple.
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I also love that the kitchens are being used - I'm dying to try one myself. I don't think its a trust issue though, I think its that some of these roms don't bring anything unique to the table, other than some theming and the removal of some apps.
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I do wish there was a subforum in the dev forum for roms. Perhaps a sticky's for the top 10 roms based on votes or downloads or some other type of ranking system.
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I also love that the kitchens are being used - I'm dying to try one myself. I don't think its a trust issue though, I think its that some of these roms don't bring anything unique to the table, other than some theming and the removal of some apps.
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dsixda's kitchen has pretty much everything you need. I installed Ubuntu in Virtual Machine and have started messing around, but unless you know what to and not to change, there isnt alot you can do to make the rom unique. But its worth doing if you're interested in learning about rom development.
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I've been looking at cooking my own rom but the thing is I would not only give credit where credit is due but also call it what it is.
I may come up with the perfect setup of base rom, kernal, apps, theme and just want to share with people who maybe like me are looking for that specific setup.
Easier to flash a rom with all that baked in then flashing everything individually. As long as someone credits correctly and doesn't try and say they did it all themselves why does it matter if it's documented properly.
Doesn't make it a worthless rom just makes it a colaboration of great work.
N00dle said:
I've been looking at cooking my own rom but the thing is I would not only give credit where credit is due but also call it what it is.
I may come up with the perfect setup of base rom, kernal, apps, theme and just want to share with people who maybe like me are looking for that specific setup.
Easier to flash a rom with all that baked in then flashing everything individually. As long as someone credits correctly and doesn't try and say they did it all themselves why does it matter if it's documented properly.
Doesn't make it a worthless rom just makes it a colaboration of great work.
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Its not a question of worth, simply a question of signal to noise.
I've run DC, Cal's, Netarchy's, Baked, Fresh, CM, Nightlies, and probably ecen a few others...I still think some sort of metric is required.
I'm gonna try thinking of something.
First I think we should be happy the evo has a strong community. We may even lose some with the galaxy s phones coming out.
Next a agree many aren't much of a difference, but for those that don't have time to tweak stuff in the kitchen before installing, it is nice to find exactly what you want.
Finally I'm sorry to sound like an elitist, but this is a hackers forum. There shouldn't be such an expectation of things always being safe and working.
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Its not a question of worth, simply a question of signal to noise.
I've run DC, Cal's, Netarchy's, Baked, Fresh, CM, Nightlies, and probably ecen a few others...I still think some sort of metric is required.
I'm gonna try thinking of something.
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I do agree there are a lot out there and it can be tough for people to tell what is what. I don't think it's a bad thing though, device support is good, it means that hopefully things will be running for a long time to come.
1. Clean: Optimized, nothing at all installed over the basic OS.
2. Clean + Sense: Optimized, Sense, nothing else. Basically Sense apps/widgets that you can't download via Manager would have to be included.
3. Like most ROMS are now. Lots of pre-installed apps.
My opinion:
A ROM should be a CLEAN install of the OS that is optimized, nothing more, nothing less. Everything else should be up to the owner of the phone to decide. Cleaner = better. Apps can easily be downloaded/backed up. No I don't want Twitter/Facebook/SoundHound/Teeter/YouTube/Amazon etc etc etc pre-installed. If I want an App it can EASILY be installed and BACKED UP via Titanium Backup.
Apps are sometimes going to bug and use up CPU so the phone lags (like on the stock ROM). It's stupid that an App I have and NEVER will use is causing my phone to LAG.
Custom/Stock ROMS reminds me of a Windows XP install from HP with all the extra stuff pre-installed that you don't need or want. Less is more IMHO.
I would love to try option 1 and 2.
What would YOU like to see in a ROM? Hopefully this will be a great thread for the ROM makers to make something that most of us want.
I don't mind sense asi prefer paucity pro
But I really want the ideal rom to keep htc navigation app for me is a killer app
Anythng else can go IMO
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I don't mind sense asi prefer paucity pro
But I really want the ideal rom to keep htc navigation app for me is a killer app
Anythng else can go IMO
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Well... this is not as easy as most people think. There are some reasons why most ROM's looks like that:
1. It's not easy job to make a clean ROM. Removing apps is not enough. There are plenty of connections and dependencies between different apps or ROM structures. Only a really advanced developer can make a clean ROM working 100%.
2. Some people like this, some people like that. To meet all requirements, developer should make at least 5 different versions of the ROM to make everyone happy.
3. Most apps you can easily delete by yourself. F.G. in my ROM some stock apps are in userdata (data/app) partition so you even don't need any special program to uninstall it.
4. You people have a lot of wishes but remember, that we all do it for free. If you want developers to work harder (by releasing x numbers of different ROM's) then why not to reward it? There are some people doing everything for free of course. Personally I don't care because I wont be able to create 100% working clean ROM anyway. But just saying. "What do you want in a ROM?" is kind of... I don't know... sounds like "users will write their expectations and some obedient developer will do it". I don't like it.
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Well... *cut***cut*....just saying.
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I agree with you, we should (and DO) appreciate all the work Dev's are doing on providing custom roms (for free).
Having said that: the topic question is what do you want in a ROM...so it can be anything really....
I am more looking what is available and choose from that, rather than thinking / asking, Hey Dev, can you add this or that....
But if I could....I would like my ROM to have the coffee ready when it lets the phone wake me with its alarm out of my ever so short sleep
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Well... this is not as easy as most people think. There are some reasons why most ROM's looks like that:
1. It's not easy job to make a clean ROM. Removing apps is not enough. There are plenty of connections and dependencies between different apps or ROM structures. Only a really advanced developer can make a clean ROM working 100%.
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That's what will separate a great/popular/"the ROM to have" ROM from this-is-what-I-(the creator)-like-in-a-ROM ROM.
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2. Some people like this, some people like that. To meet all requirements, developer should make at least 5 different versions of the ROM to make everyone happy.
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Not really. One clean, one clean with Sense only and one with all kinds of weird apps installed (like current ROMs) will suit pretty much every body.
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3. Most apps you can easily delete by yourself. F.G. in my ROM some stock apps are in userdata (data/app) partition so you even don't need any special program to uninstall it.
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It's easier to backup your Apps and load them in versus removing every-single-app-that-is-pre-installed after EACH update.
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4. You people have a lot of wishes but remember, that we all do it for free. If you want developers to work harder (by releasing x numbers of different ROM's) then why not to reward it? There are some people doing everything for free of course. Personally I don't care because I wont be able to create 100% working clean ROM anyway. But just saying.
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I guess they have to trust that their work will be rewarded and strive to make the most popular ROM out there. Lots of "credz" by having the #1 HD ROM.
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That's what will separate a great/popular/"the ROM to have" ROM from this-is-what-I-(the creator)-like-in-a-ROM ROM.
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Sorry, I see no connection with my post
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Not really. One clean, one clean with Sense only and one with all kinds of weird apps installed (like current ROMs) will suit pretty much every body.
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It's your opinion. There will be another opinion saying, that it will be nice to have clean ROM with some extra launcher, full ROM with some extra launcher, semi-clean ROM, ROM with blue icons, ROM with yellow icons etc..
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It's easier to backup your Apps and load them in versus removing every-single-app-that-is-pre-installed after EACH update.
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Sure. It's better when developer is working 24h per day to make ROM for you because you don't want to spend 15 minutes removing what you don't need. It's better to have everything like you want from the very beginning. Well - it's not working like this, sorry.
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I guess they have to trust that their work will be rewarded and strive to make the most popular ROM out there. Lots of "credz" by having the #1 HD ROM.
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Trust? I trust to God, that's all. So tomorrow you go to work and you say to your boss - "We don't need contract anymore. Now I will put my trust on you"
Just to make things clear - I don't care about money. And we are not thinking like you wrote "I will make good ROM and I trust people will donate me for this". We think (well... I think) like "I will make as good ROM as I can and if someone will reward it - cool! But I'm not going to loose my job and private life just for hoping and trusting that someone will reward me".
That's my point of view.
I'd love a clean ROM with htcsense.com working but nothing else from Sense.
I also am of the clean school of thought, I do regularly uninstall apps I don't use from the ROM's I use, and my personal feeling is if it's on the marketplace leave it out (and I am including the Gapps in this).
I realise this isn't everyones preference but then you can never please all of the people, on the other hand we are using the DEV's FREE work so I suppose we have to be happy with whatever they choose
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Sorry, I see no connection with my post
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Ok? Nevermind then.
mike1986. said:
It's your opinion. There will be another opinion saying, that it will be nice to have clean ROM with some extra launcher, full ROM with some extra launcher, semi-clean ROM, ROM with blue icons, ROM with yellow icons etc..
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You can always install extra launchers, kernels etc. A ROM doesn't need to contain everything. A ROM (IMHO) should be the OS, the back bone of the phone, not the whole system. If I want to OC my PC I don't get a "Windows 7 with Radeon 5880 + iCore prossesor already clocked, and here is 5 other programs that I like".
I get a Windows OS, I install my ATI drivers, install the OC things I need for MY setup and install the apps/games I WANT.
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Sure. It's better when developer is working 24h per day to make ROM for you because you don't want to spend 15 minutes removing what you don't need. It's better to have everything like you want from the very beginning. Well - it's not working like this, sorry.
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This 15min times every new update that is released if you want the newest "OS".
That depends. Every one has different motives. Why would the developers of a ROM do ANY changes based on user feedback (I'm not talking about bugs) if they didn't care for the fact that others are using THEIR ROM?
Would it be worth 200-500-1000?? hours of work if your ROM was loaded on 9/10 DHD phones? To some, yes, to others, no. To some, that would be a very satisfying feeling and worth all the work. They might get some $$ for it as well.
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Trust? I trust to God, that's all. So tomorrow you go to work and you say to your boss - "We don't need contract anymore. Now I will put my trust on you"
Just to make things clear - I don't care about money. And we are not thinking like you wrote "I will make good ROM and I trust people will donate me for this". We think (well... I think) like "I will make as good ROM as I can and if someone will reward it - cool! But I'm not going to loose my job and private life just for hoping and trusting that someone will reward me".
That's my point of view.
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Look over.
Don't get me wrong. I'm VERY thankful for this forum and everyone that puts time into making ROMs and Kernels, but it would be fun to get feedback from the forums. Maybe (and hopefully) someone will make the "clean" ROM if the feedback here is pointing in that direction.
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Would it be worth 200-500-1000?? hours of work if your ROM was loaded on 9/10 DHD phones? To some, yes, to others, no. To some, that would be a very satisfying feeling and worth all the work. They might get some $$ for it as well.
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This is becoming not really straight to the topic but I can't understand your specific point of view. As long as you don't have wife, job, friends and kids, you can spend all your life doing everything for free. No problem. But getting SOME (so could be lot of, could be nothing as well) $$ for working over "200-500-1000 hours" is ridiculous. I prefer working for free for some charity organization then for thousands rather reach people wanting to have as much as possible for free. Let's see how important for you is to have this clean ROM. How much can you pay? 1$? 5$? 10$? How much you can pay for my "200-500-1000 hours" of work? I'm 99% sure, that you don't want to pay anything. And I'm also 99% sure that you didn't do much in your life for free. So why the hell are you speaking about satisfaction and stuff like this?
You can ask some dev to make a clean ROM. It's all fine. As I said before - we're doing it for hobby etc. Actually my ROM is the ROM that I'm using so it's like I WANT, not like others WANT and anyway it's quite popular now. But definitely you can't expect from others to do some extra work just in the name of satisfaction and fake-popularity (will you recognize "LeeDroid" on the street? will you shake his hand? I don't think so).
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This is becoming not really straight to the topic but I can't understand your specific point of view. As long as you don't have wife, job, friends and kids, you can spend all your life doing everything for free. No problem. But getting SOME (so could be lot of, could be nothing as well) $$ for working over "200-500-1000 hours" is ridiculous. I prefer working for free for some charity organization then for thousands rather reach people wanting to have as much as possible for free. Let's see how important for you is to have this clean ROM. How much can you pay? 1$? 5$? 10$? How much you can pay for my "200-500-1000 hours" of work? I'm 99% sure, that you don't want to pay anything. And I'm also 99% sure that you didn't do much in your life for free. So why the hell are you speaking about satisfaction and stuff like this?
You can ask some dev to make a clean ROM. It's all fine. As I said before - we're doing it for hobby etc. Actually my ROM is the ROM that I'm using so it's like I WANT, not like others WANT and anyway it's quite popular now. But definitely you can't expect from others to do some extra work just in the name of satisfaction and fake-popularity (will you recognize "LeeDroid" on the street? will you shake his hand? I don't think so).
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This is YOUR POINT OF VIEW. Maybe a ROM developer actually WANTS to make a CLEAN install with Sense? Maybe his passion is developing ROMS?
Look at FORUM ADMINS/MODS. They don't get payed ANYTHING for ALL the work they do because they think it's fun. This includes admins/mods on "exotic car boards" that do modding work for free instead of making THOUSANDS of dollars instead. They do it because they enjoy it.
Some people LOVE working on cars, some people HATE working on cars. The people that really LOVE working on cars will do work (very good work I might add) for free/close to nothing because that's what they like to do.
Just because you don't want to spend hours of your life making a CLEAN Rom doesn't mean other Devs don't want to.
You are certain I won't pay? How would you know? You know NOTHING about me.
I'll pay $30 for a CLEAN Rom with Sense - no problem. Now it's in writing.
You really don't see any difference between making a ROM from passion and making a ROM because someone told you to do a specific ROM? So the discussion is pointless.
I mentioned it almost in my every post that yes, it is my point of view.
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I'll pay $30 for a CLEAN Rom with Sense - no problem. Now it's in writing.
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If some dev will make a clean ROM because of passion (we have a lot of great devs here - Paul, Lee, Apache14, kamma, adwinp, robocik etc..) then he will be satisfied with any donations.
But if you want someone to make Clean ROM FOR YOU then you can take this 30$ and... you know what
This is the difference I'm talking all the time.
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You really don't see any difference between making a ROM from passion and making a ROM because someone told you to do a specific ROM? So the discussion is pointless.
I mentioned it almost in my every post that yes, it is my point of view.
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How is it pointless? Because YOU don't like the idea?
Someone told you to make a ROM? Why would anyone make a ROM if they didn't want to (unless that was their job, with an hourly pay)?
Maybe some Devs never though about making a CLEAN ROM with Sense until they saw this thread? Who knows.
Maybe some Dev wants to make the most popular ROM for Desire HD. By the looks of it he/she will have over 90% of all DHD users that are running custom ROMS Satisfying enough for someone to try it? Maybe
Let's wait and find out
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If some dev will make a clean ROM because of passion (we have a lot of great devs here - Paul, Lee, Apache14, kamma, adwinp, robocik etc..) then he will be satisfied with any donations.
But if you want someone to make Clean ROM FOR YOU then you can take this 30$ and... you know what
This is the difference I'm talking all the time.
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I NEVER said for the Devs to MAKE me one. If that was the case I would probably have to spend THOUSANDS of dollars for their time to make a clean ROM.
It's a poll. I would like to know what owners and Devs think. Maybe this is the next "step" to take in ROMS.
Ignoring the very pointless argument going on above...
I voted for Clean. I personally hate the Sense stuff, I'm sat right now seeing what I can remove from the ROM to make it as light as possible.
There is already non-sense clean ROM here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844707
Not clean enough?
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There is already non-sense clean ROM here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844707
Not clean enough?
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The constant sync issue seems similar to one that occurred during the early days of Sense-less Desire ROMs, that used to cause huge battery drain. Unsure if it does the same here but constant sync is never a good thing, right?
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Ignoring the very pointless argument going on above...
I voted for Clean. I personally hate the Sense stuff, I'm sat right now seeing what I can remove from the ROM to make it as light as possible.
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+1 on this statement, i voted clean + sense because for me WHEN htc sort out the issues with sense.com it will be nice to know i can basically destroy the insides of my phone and make it unuseable to any fugger that might happen to find/steal it, without having a load of different apps made by third party that only do one part of sense.com per app. also the main thing for me wanting a dhd was the dolby mobile and srs functions, not sure if this is a valid point but from what i gather these settings can only be changed when using the stock sense music player that comes with the stock rom... The day Cyanogen was ported i rejoiced thinking yay finally i can completely control my phone only to discover that "computer says no" and i lose all my htc sense syncability as well as losing the function to choose the dolby settings or srs in the music player... That is why leedroid became rom of choice to me for now as it came with very little apps installed i did not want myself and i get all these functions still running the way they should
as for the two people arguing, you both sound like whiney annoying brats the way you are going on.. EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION, but i will remind you that EVERYONE ALSO HAS AN ARSEHOLE this does not mean i want to see every bloody arsehole of every bloody person just cos they think it looks pretty.......
A rom with nothing on except sense framework and some basic apps that obviously let the phone function fully is totally DESIREable
meh to anyone that wants to try and bash people for having an idea that someone doesnt agree with
meh to you
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The constant sync issue seems similar to one that occurred during the early days of Sense-less Desire ROMs, that used to cause huge battery drain. Unsure if it does the same here but constant sync is never a good thing, right?
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I've searched PaY87's thread and haven't seen you or Beamen1 asking for new release with fixed issues. There is no ROM that will be perfect from it's first release like you want. Instead of making wishlists why don't you support PaY87 by asking all those questions in his thread and maybe even donating to his work?
Why don't you people make such a discussion on Microsoft forum, huh? "Windows 8 - what would you like to have included in the OS". What is the voting for? You think that CLEAN SENSE ROM will have 80% and in one moment all devs will listen to the majority and make such ROM's? You think that there is no developer thinking about clean sense ROM already? I know at least 2 are working on it.
You want clean sense rom? THEN WAIT UNTIL THERE WILL BE ONE AVAILABLE. We know that there is a need for such ROM's like in every device section. Desire HD is not different in this point.
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I've searched PaY87's thread and haven't seen you or Beamen1 asking for new release with fixed issues. There is no ROM that will be perfect from it's first release like you want. Instead of making wishlists why don't you support PaY87 by asking all those questions in his thread and maybe even donating to his work?
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Like I SAID 3? times before. I'm going out and asking what members WANT from a ROM. The larger majority of the users have said they want a ROM to be an "OS" - as in CLEAN, NO APPS, with HTC Sense. No ROM at the moment is CLOSE to this. Hopefully the Devs like my idea, and do something about it after feedback from several users
I'm putting this idea out here, and wanting people to vote and discuss. You are obviously not doing it as you hate the idea. We know that, now move on.
If you want to discuss this further, please PM me. We have filled this forum with enough OT talk.
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No ROM at the moment is CLOSE to this. Hopefully the Devs like my idea, and do something about it after feedback from several users
I'm putting this idea out here, and wanting people to vote and discuss. You are obviously not doing it as you hate the idea. We know that, now move on.
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WTF are u talking about? Your idea? Clean ROM's are your idea? Are you kidding me?
No, I don't hate the idea. Idea is good and it's known since long time to make clean ROMs. I just hate (no hate - I don't like is a better word) the way you express it.
I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl, we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such. Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues, and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know, but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works, just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead. The roms used to work 100%, but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round. And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing! And I don't mind donating when something is GOOD, when it works and I appreciate the technical work that went in to make it work...not the technical work that went in to make it look pretty, at the expense of some fairy disastrous issues.
Please xda, enough with the benchmark willy waving competition! Please somebody just go back to making things that work rather than pretty...pretty useless...eyecandy!
And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl, we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such. Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues, and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know, but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works, just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead. The roms used to work 100%, but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round. And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing! And I don't mind donating when something is GOOD, when it works and I appreciate the technical work that went in to make it work...not the technical work that went in to make it look pretty, at the expense of some fairy disastrous issues.
Please xda, enough with the benchmark willy waving competition! Please somebody just go back to making things that work rather than pretty...pretty useless...eyecandy!
And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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yes...so why not starting today...make a ROM urself ???
We are all waiting for .35 desire kernel source from HTC?
Peteryoung said:
I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl,
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No, that is because there are less top devs on the device now, Some have moved on to different devices.
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we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such.
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Not at all, ist do to with view counts, posts created etc.
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Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues,
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What you "need" has nothing to do with it, devs dont work on the roms because they have to, They do it because they WANT to, They work on what they "need" or want to and then share the work.
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and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know,
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Correct.
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but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...
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Completely disagree, The work and progress done on the Sense 3 roms is amazing, Sorry you are too ignorant and ungrateful to appreciate that.
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I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works,
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Then go and download one of the older non-sense froyo/GB roms like NexusHD2.
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just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead.
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Well that's your problem, The fact that you are having to do this means that you are CHOOSING to install work in progress builds rather then more developed builds, Its your fault and your problem.
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The roms used to work 100%,
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Err no they didn't, They was developed into a state where they eventually worked and the same will happen to Sense roms.
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but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round.
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Then go download one?!?!
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And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing!
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sense Roms where never designed to run on HD2 and that is why they are been developed to do so! If you don't want to be patient or be part of the testing then that's your choice, go and download a simple stock rom!
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And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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Desire base has been ported already and doesn't need more work until the desire gets and update. If you like the desire base so much why don't you just stick to the roms already available? Ill tell you why because you enjoy trying new builds, again that's your decision but you cant then complain just because most of the devs are hard at work on what THEY want to work on rather then what YOU want them to work on!
I personally don't want them to work on anything else apart from the kingdom, why? because its down to personal preference just like yours, at the end of the day its upto each individual dev what they work on!
PS. Please go and learn how to use paragraphs and sentence breaks etc as it just gets on your nerves when trying to read big long blocks like that.
ugh. this crap again? really? another thread dedicated to complaining that xda isn't giving you everything you want yesterday? and what do you expect with this kind of "support" - developers to come running over to you and ask you what you want?
this is exactly, exactly, what pushes people away from here.
really, you should have stopped with "I'm being a whiney little bugger" and just left. really, no one is begging you to stay. you aren't contributing; you are detracting. go on; leave.
@ theatheist - your points (as usual) are right on
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ugh. this crap again? really? another thread dedicated to complaining that xda isn't giving you everything you want yesterday? and what do you expect with this kind of "support" - developers to come running over to you and ask you what you want?
this is exactly, exactly, what pushes people away from here.
really, you should have stopped with "I'm being a whiney little bugger" and just left. really, no one is begging you to stay. you aren't contributing; you are detracting. go on; leave.
@ theatheist - your points (as usual) are right on
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Seconded!
Ignorant people like this OP need banning.
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Seconded!
Ignorant people like this OP need banning.
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Ignorant people, like myself, don't need banning; they need educating - like in your first posting.
I don't tend to go for the latest development, but rather one that works well.
If I want to try out a different version of SD Android, then I read what the chef has posted and all the posts relating to that specific release version. If it states that the camera isn't working yet, then I'll leave it as I use the camera. If it is noted that Bluetooth doesn't connect properly to headset, then I would use it, as I don't Bluetooth.
Playing the devil here:
At some point I can understand Peteryoung and I have seen several other people complain about this as well.
I have the HD2 just to toy around next to my E71 which makes it easy to say that I don't need a +90% working image. If something doesn't work tough ... and I will try another.
It would be nice to have the old trusty working roms like the one from Rafdroid updated to the latest working apps and all of the known fixes in 1 package.
I'm no developer but I am sure some of you could tweak the 'older' sense roms and incorperate all the latest working things. The GPS fixes are a nice example.
I personally applaud the devs in that thread for feedback and just trying to get it to work using feedback and interacting on it.
If the devs are focusing on newer type of roms, so be it and let them do it.
Lets face it, Android is fun on the HD2 but still it is a bit 'playing' around.
A retraction
Guys, I'm sorry
I think I was having a right cranky day when I penned that last grouchy missive.
I stand thoroughly ashamed and rightfully corrected on my last thoughts.
I really do appreciate all the work the devs put in for free here. I really do love the older desire roms and I guess I'm getting old, starting to refuse the changes of the times
I take it all back, I guess I really should stick to what I know best and let the youngsters do what they do best...making NEW stuff, not old.
I must say, I feel a little aggrieved at the sheer vitriol my post gained in response, but hey I guess after I'd battered everybody else with my tirade - that's just what I deserve.
Anyway, I hope the community can find it in their collective hearts to forgive this old sinner - I promise I won't write any more critical tirades on xda any more!
Apologies xda, I love you really xx
Peteryoung
P.S - Was the paragraph structure a little easier on the eye this time round?
Some just are not happy with ****...hey, you don't like it, move on back to WM6.5 where everything works. This is not a native android device so be lucky these developers are spending hours and days and more hours and more days so whiney ass spoiled brats like you can use their work for FREE. Be lucky you can even have ANDROID on the HD2! Another thing is there are plenty of what I consider perfect roms to choose from and many I have donated too.
Your apology is a joke you are still just acting like a *****...man up and get over yourself....
fred_up said:
Ignorant people, like myself, don't need banning; they need educating - like in your first posting.
I don't tend to go for the latest development, but rather one that works well.
If I want to try out a different version of SD Android, then I read what the chef has posted and all the posts relating to that specific release version. If it states that the camera isn't working yet, then I'll leave it as I use the camera. If it is noted that Bluetooth doesn't connect properly to headset, then I would use it, as I don't Bluetooth.
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Exactly
we are at liberty to choose any rom available here irrespective of the development progress
it is fun to flash...Ah, I miss old time when I had to flash ROM 2-3 times a week
Cheers...