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What is the best ROM as of 4-21-10?

What is the most COMPLETE, FASTEST, STABLE basically works the best all around ROM out there right now?
ZenEXP-0.1
Aloysius 2.0.4
DamageControl v2.07.2
Darchdroid v2
DarchLegend OC5.0.6
RegawMOD v2.1
Fresh Rom 2.0d
Ic3Rom v2.0.4
Fresh Toast v1

amot said:
What is the most COMPLETE, FASTEST, STABLE basically works the best all around ROM out there right now?
ZenEXP-0.1
Aloysius 2.0.4
DamageControl v2.07.2
Darchdroid v2
DarchLegend OC5.0.6
RegawMOD v2.1
Fresh Rom 2.0d
Ic3Rom v2.0.4
Fresh Toast v1
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I don't like answering threads like this cause I like people to test them out for themselves cause it's a personal choice. But, if you like Sense builds, check out DarchLegend 5.0.5 (or the stable ROM in the first post of that thread), or Fresh 2.0d. If you like AOSP and don't mind losing camera, definitely check out DarchDroid. I am using it now and it is a solid rom. ZenEXP is fun to play around with, but is not completely functional as of yet. But as I said before, I encourage you to try them all and see what fits you the best.

I like my bread toasted do to OC kernel.
I predict its the future of most hero roms.

I like the MatrixROM.
It's simple, fast, and stable. A good blank slate that you can scale into whatever you want.
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Aloysius
is at 2.0.5 now..

amot said:
What is the most COMPLETE, FASTEST, STABLE basically works the best all around ROM out there right now?
ZenEXP-0.1
Aloysius 2.0.4
DamageControl v2.07.2
Darchdroid v2
DarchLegend OC5.0.6
RegawMOD v2.1
Fresh Rom 2.0d
Ic3Rom v2.0.4
Fresh Toast v1
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The point of this thread remains a bit unclear to me. Are you assuming
that we are all the same and your idea of best is the same as ours?
Also everyones exp are different. If you would flash a rom blindly
because someone you dont even know is serious or not suggested it,
then you my friend are probably due for a phone bricking rickrolling.....
Good luck to all those that flash because of others suggestions on
finding something that you yourself truely enjoy. Its bascially the same
as asking ppl to tell you what your favorite sitcom is. I would assume
anyone here already knows their favorite rom(If they havent compiled
it themselves)along with the reasons for it being so. But we all contribute
to the community in different ways, and if this is yours then thanks.

CB.CP is Epic!!! Very Fast!!

Yet another thread that shouldn't need to exist....there are plenty of other threads asking essentially the same exact question.....
*sighs* anyways...the only correct answer to your thread OP.....the best rom out there is the one that works best for you and your needs. Sift through all the roms out there and you will find your diamond in the rough.

MagnusRagnarok said:
The point of this thread remains a bit unclear to me. Are you assuming
that we are all the same and your idea of best is the same as ours?
Also everyones exp are different. If you would flash a rom blindly
because someone you dont even know is serious or not suggested it,
then you my friend are probably due for a phone bricking rickrolling.....
Good luck to all those that flash because of others suggestions on
finding something that you yourself truely enjoy. Its bascially the same
as asking ppl to tell you what your favorite sitcom is. I would assume
anyone here already knows their favorite rom(If they havent compiled
it themselves)along with the reasons for it being so. But we all contribute
to the community in different ways, and if this is yours then thanks.
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lol! +1
yes, this thread is pointless. responses here will only be a watered down version of the roms original thread. id advice trying all of them to gain your own idea of what is the best rom.

nighteyes_wolf said:
Yet another thread that shouldn't need to exist....there are plenty of other threads asking essentially the same exact question.....
*sighs* anyways...the only correct answer to your thread OP.....the best rom out there is the one that works best for you and your needs. Sift through all the roms out there and you will find your diamond in the rough.
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+1. Been saying this since I was flashing my Diamond. Every phone plays different and every person has their own opinion. Flash a ROM every week and just play with it. Hell, you could probably find out in less than an hour if the ROM is what you are looking for.

kbizzle said:
CakeButt.ClownPenis is Epic!!! Very Fast!!
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I've seen this in at least 4 threads (not to include the one were this was created and deleted) it's now officially a meme
not that one.... the other one where one of our "devs" rage quited

I agree with this but this isn't as obscene as the whole 2.1 is out garbage.
Yet another thread that shouldn't need to exist....there are plenty of other threads asking essentially the same exact question.....
*sighs* anyway
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+1. Been saying this since I was flashing my Diamond. Every phone plays different and every person has their own opinion. Flash a ROM every week and just play with it. Hell, you could probably find out in less than an hour if the ROM is what you are looking for.
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kbizzle said:
+1. Been saying this since I was flashing my Diamond. Every phone plays different and every person has their own opinion. Flash a ROM every week and just play with it. Hell, you could probably find out in less than an hour if the ROM is what you are looking for.
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Ya but there are people out there who don't have the patience of doing that........ *hulk smash* I lost count how many times I've flashed the last two months since the 2.1 roms started to roll in. Sometimes even if I flash the same rom, wiping in between, I don't always have the same experience twice.
It's a process...but one that leads to happiness in the end once you find that one that makes your phone go 'ahhhhhhhh thats more like it'
I buy my computer chairs the same way...I basically blindfold myself and just start sitting in every damn chair in the store from cheap to expensive till my body lets me know I've made the right choice. Sure....it ends up being a gawd damn $350 chair but it was worth it haha /tangent
Mods please lock this thread

Maybe we can stop calling things pointless and leave it has a just a poll..
We can see what most people prefer and what everyones personal feeling is to the rom they are using.
And also for people rooting for the first time. I wouldnt recommend "just flash every rom you can and make a decision".
I would recommend flashing what the majority of people use and feel comfortable with. And then experiment from there.
This thread can also be informational if people stop complaining and post why they think a certain rom is better.
I understand there is more threads like this, but this has all current roms.

nighteyes_wolf said:
Mods please lock this thread
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um... why? It's a pretty good poll, it would be nice to see what everyone's favorite would be

johnsongrantr said:
um... why? It's a pretty good poll, it would be nice to see what everyone's favorite would be
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Well, ok maybe I'm just mentally exhausted and was a little on the harsh side, but if anything, can this be merged with the other threads asking what the best/fastest/stable roms out there are.....

Agreed w/ a majority of the posters so far....ROM flashing, be it w/ a Droid, a WinMo, or other O/S...is always about user preference. There will never be a consensus "best" in that regard...
That said, while I tend to gloss or skip over threads like this, I do attentively examine the "most stable ROM" threads, as ultimately....regardless of what eye candy or features I want in a phone, it still needs to function AS A PHONE!
I'm sure this priority will vary in rank w/ people who may use their phone for business purposes as much or more than personal (ie. myself), but when it comes down to it, I could care less how many zoom features I have in my camera, so long as my system lag is minimal, SMS works, and I can hear a caller on the other end of the line!
Off my soapbox now, and back to the original question...I'm toggling between the Darchdroid ROM for it's lightning speed and DC's latest w/ the today's latest mod updates. Tomorrow....who the F knows?

pwrmedia said:
Off my soapbox now, and back to the original question...I'm toggling between the Darchdroid ROM for it's lightning speed and DC's latest w/ the today's latest mod updates. Tomorrow....who the F knows?
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I would normally agree with the darchdroid as I really do truely love his work, it feels the fastest, but I'm running into waay too many problems with push gmail, battery life, vm notification, and some other stuff. v2 (pre-OC) worked really well, guess I'll go back to it after stuff gets fixed.
My vote is for fresh-toast as of the time of this post

Jus10o said:
Maybe we can stop calling things pointless and leave it has a just a poll..
We can see what most people prefer and what everyones personal feeling is to the rom they are using.
And also for people rooting for the first time. I wouldnt recommend "just flash every rom you can and make a decision".
I would recommend flashing what the majority of people use and feel comfortable with. And then experiment from there.
This thread can also be informational if people stop complaining and post why they think a certain rom is better.
I understand there is more threads like this, but this has all current roms.
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Obviously you are not speaking of me since i went out of my way to avoid
the word pointless. If this thead was titled "Whats your favorite rom and
why" i never wouldve posted. I didnt come in to find a new rom, i came in
to comment hoping maybe the op will be a little more specific in his/her
next post as not to mislead and waste ppls time. There can never BE a
BEST rom, and hopefully most of us here know that. If not continue to
scour this post by all means, if you look hard enough you might even be
able to find one that imitates the iphone os. If not you should prolly just
go buy one

im the best rom available as of 4-21

Sense-Froyo Rom for Nexus One

Hi,
Does any one know if there is a Sense-Froyo Rom for Nexus One?
If so is it any good / stable, if not any ideas when?
Cool thanks guys.

Yea there is one but stable not really to confident on that but modaco.com you should be able to find a sense ui rom on there

nexus9988 said:
Yea there is one but stable not really to confident on that but modaco.com you should be able to find a sense ui rom on there
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Going for the grammar award?
OP: Did you try searching? It took me roughly 7 seconds to find this --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730290
Try working things out for yourself or taking an I.T class in future

cymru said:
Going for the grammar award?
OP: Did you try searching? It took me roughly 7 seconds to find this --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730290
Try working things out for yourself or taking an I.T class in future
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I'd rather post a quick question to people who are dealing with this frequently, than trawl the web, sift through junk and install something which has lots of bugs.
Cheer up, its not all bad.
Thanks for the link.

you'll have to forgive XDA, recently it has attracted many young people that get bullied at home and school, this is a place they can come and anonymously display their e-toughness. Just ignore them.
btw, i dont think there is a sense rom that has everything working like your stock version. i hope im wrong but i was interested in rooting to use sense, in the development section i couldnt find any that didnt have disclaimers about things that arent working, so i havent gotten to try it out yet. But again, maybe im wrong, and i hope i am.

Without a criteria of what he is looking for other than good and stable it's hard to give a good answer. It's not about e-toughness, it's about searching, putting together an informative post, and reading the forum rules.
'cymru' is 100% correct. All it took was a search and reading comments about what does and does not work, then nandroid backup and try the rom and see if it passes the "good and stable" test.

DMaverick50 said:
you'll have to forgive XDA, recently it has attracted many young people that get bullied at home and school, this is a place they can come and anonymously display their e-toughness. Just ignore them.
btw, i dont think there is a sense rom that has everything working like your stock version. i hope im wrong but i was interested in rooting to use sense, in the development section i couldnt find any that didnt have disclaimers about things that arent working, so i havent gotten to try it out yet. But again, maybe im wrong, and i hope i am.
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WHat he said.
Sense UI has its bugs on the N1. I think LauncherPro is 100x better than Sense UI. It's just not as smooth (this is coming from experience using it on an Evo 4g)

stuff said:
WHat he said.
Sense UI has its bugs on the N1. I think LauncherPro is 100x better than Sense UI. It's just not as smooth (this is coming from experience using it on an Evo 4g)
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I'd run a stable sense rom if there was one with Launcher Pro as my launcher... I want sense for the camera, calc, dialer, calander, emails etc. not the launcher. The applications on it are just way better quality!

LevitateJay said:
I'd run a stable sense rom if there was one with Launcher Pro as my launcher... I want sense for the camera, calc, dialer, calander, emails etc. not the launcher. The applications on it are just way better quality!
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Well there are some roms that have ported sense camera, and apps.
I do believe my "The Official" rom has them. It didn't come stock with the sense camera, but I had it installed (easy to do from spare parts, plus I have 720p recording).
The best you can do is look for a rom with those things ported over.

Evils q&d sensefroyo is killer he had updates frequently and his newest v1.1 is amazing

crx4xharder said:
Evils q&d sensefroyo is killer he had updates frequently and his newest v1.1 is amazing
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I might check that out...I tried KingKlick's latest rom and my phone rebooted all night long with it. Lamesauce.

I agree with cymru, its not that hard to click one section over to development and see what's there instead of someone making a new thread everytime, and xda agrees. Not a big a deal yes, just saying I agree
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

DMaverick50 said:
you'll have to forgive XDA, recently it has attracted many young people that get bullied at home and school, this is a place they can come and anonymously display their e-toughness. Just ignore them.
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Luckily i've been a member for a number of years so don't fall into this category...
If it wasn't for XDA recently attracting many young people that weren't taught at home or school in how to do something for themselves once in a while they wouldn't have to come and anonymously display their e-laziness. Just shut up.
EDIT: THANKS JRBOURQUE ^

Hi guys, if the battle for whos the cleverist is now over, heres some feed back for the advice given.
I've installed, Evils q&d sensefroyo. Been running it for a few days, its cool. A little buggy, a few force closes, high battery use, no bluetooth, but very usable.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730290
Again thanks for the input, hope this helps anyone else who was looking for similar info.
Cheers.

I tried kingxclikz and Paul's r23 roms, I must say the first one is very buggy and there are no ways to use it even for 24h(though I think it needs an eclair radio),Paul's rom is way more stable but the lack of Metamorph themes,trackball mods and BT are too important.
He promised to release a new version soon so all we can do is wait and see!

Ughh. No BT on any sense ROM then?

Is anybody even working on bluetooth for Desire roms? I don't think anybody actually is. There are a few people I think might be capable like Paul but he's busy with other things now by the looks of it

Rom Overload?

Is it just me or does it seem like everyone and their mother are posting Roms in the Evo development subforum?
I'm not going to name names or anything, but there seem to be a few teams that work very hard at distinguishing themselves as great releases only to get overtaken by people launching derivatives that are not much more than wallpaper changes of the very same roms?
Many of us can tell the distinction between the two, but I worry about new folks coming in who have no idea. I'm not going to spread FUD, but installing roms from an untrustworthy source is a great way for real problems to be introduced into the security model of the Android platform.
Does anyone else see this as a concern? Are there any solutions we as a group can come up with? Is this really not a big deal?

Yes you are correct
OMG I changed the color of the call [email protected]!!!!! NEW ROM!!!!!
Instead of theme change.
Either go cyanogen (uber premium) or stay rooted stock.
No need for the other bs. They don't do anything.
Now the kernels, I like, keep them going though. But the roms need to stop.

I think people are just making them in a sad attempt to gain free donations for their "efforts" or lack thereof.

kthejoker20 said:
Either go cyanogen (uber premium) or stay rooted stock.
No need for the other bs. They don't do anything.
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so let me get this straight. you're automatically dismissing OMJ's work, Baked Snack, Fresh, Damage Control, etc. just to name a few, simply because they are not cyanogen? better at ease son.
secondly, you can't simply lock down the forum for the "legendary" cooks. what happens if a noobie comes in with a simply stellar rom that gives us 12 years of battery life and the ability to teleport but because he's not Cyanogen, he can't release? that seems a little asinine.
i think people need to be responsible for their own phones. research, do a little leg work, talk with some forum members, make an informed decision and go with it.

SilverStone641 said:
so let me get this straight. you're automatically dismissing OMJ's work, Baked Snack, Fresh, Damage Control, etc. just to name a few, simply because they are not cyanogen? better at ease son.
secondly, you can't simply lock down the forum for the "legendary" cooks. what happens if a noobie comes in with a simply stellar rom that gives us 12 years of battery life and the ability to teleport but because he's not Cyanogen, he can't release? that seems a little asinine.
i think people need to be responsible for their own phones. research, do a little leg work, talk with some forum members, make an informed decision and go with it.
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Nice way of twisting what I said. BTW...
Nice upoad speed dude 44mb

I'm still a relative newb to Android, but I can see how it would be easy to get overloaded with all the ROMs out there. I've bounced back and forth between Fresh, CM6, and rooted stock for a while and I finally got sick of having to set up my phone over and over again (yes, I know about Titanium, but it's not good for certain types of things). Anyway, I finally said f*** it and flashed CM6 again and have left it there. None of them are perfect, but CM6 works the best for me.

kthejoker20 said:
Nice way of twisting what I said. BTW...
Nice upoad speed dude 44mb
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Less twisting then what you think. It's not CM or stay stock. I personally ran CM nightlies and CM6, both times I left them because even with all the fine work he's done there are very large and blatant things I don't think are great about it.
Does that mean it's low end, no, but there are lots of Roms every bit as highend and polished as CM.
Now on the main OP, I agree that we are seeing a flood, but also that there is nothing to do about it in an open community which is pushing people to tweak and express and share. It is what it is, and if they aren't calling out the people who put in the actual time into said Rom and giving them all the praise for the actual work then shame on them.

One way to help new users do research, is if there was a chart comparing the more popular roms... o wait there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746611
pretty unbiased test that compares several features that most people would look for in a rom.

nief1313 said:
One way to help new users do research, is if there was a chart comparing the more popular roms... o wait there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746611
pretty unbiased test that compares several features that most people would look for in a rom.
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Neif, you crack me up whenever I see you pushing your grid. I've been dircting people to the wiki to check it out, but good luck trying to stay on top of all of the new releases. More power to you.
And to bring the thread back on topic - there do seem to be a lot of roms floating around that don't really seem to bring anything new to the table.

People are just posting what works for them. I am glad there are so many ROMs. If you think this is bad, I guess you never had a G1.

This really isnt something I'd be complaining about. Check out SDX forums (Moment support). Theres like one rom still receiving updates. The Hero forum is also losing support. Im more than happy to see people pushing a rom they cooked. It means the kitchens out there are actually getting used for the reason they were made available. Imo thats what open source is all about. If you dont trust it, dont flash it. Its that simple.
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dglowe343 said:
This really isnt something I'd be complaining about. Check out SDX forums (Moment support). Theres like one rom still receiving updates. The Hero forum is also losing support. Im more than happy to see people pushing a rom they cooked. It means the kitchens out there are actually getting used for the reason they were made available. Imo thats what open source is all about. If you dont trust it, dont flash it. Its that simple.
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I also love that the kitchens are being used - I'm dying to try one myself. I don't think its a trust issue though, I think its that some of these roms don't bring anything unique to the table, other than some theming and the removal of some apps.
Sent from my blah blah blah blah

I do wish there was a subforum in the dev forum for roms. Perhaps a sticky's for the top 10 roms based on votes or downloads or some other type of ranking system.

fachadick said:
I also love that the kitchens are being used - I'm dying to try one myself. I don't think its a trust issue though, I think its that some of these roms don't bring anything unique to the table, other than some theming and the removal of some apps.
Sent from my blah blah blah blah
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dsixda's kitchen has pretty much everything you need. I installed Ubuntu in Virtual Machine and have started messing around, but unless you know what to and not to change, there isnt alot you can do to make the rom unique. But its worth doing if you're interested in learning about rom development.
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I've been looking at cooking my own rom but the thing is I would not only give credit where credit is due but also call it what it is.
I may come up with the perfect setup of base rom, kernal, apps, theme and just want to share with people who maybe like me are looking for that specific setup.
Easier to flash a rom with all that baked in then flashing everything individually. As long as someone credits correctly and doesn't try and say they did it all themselves why does it matter if it's documented properly.
Doesn't make it a worthless rom just makes it a colaboration of great work.

N00dle said:
I've been looking at cooking my own rom but the thing is I would not only give credit where credit is due but also call it what it is.
I may come up with the perfect setup of base rom, kernal, apps, theme and just want to share with people who maybe like me are looking for that specific setup.
Easier to flash a rom with all that baked in then flashing everything individually. As long as someone credits correctly and doesn't try and say they did it all themselves why does it matter if it's documented properly.
Doesn't make it a worthless rom just makes it a colaboration of great work.
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Its not a question of worth, simply a question of signal to noise.
I've run DC, Cal's, Netarchy's, Baked, Fresh, CM, Nightlies, and probably ecen a few others...I still think some sort of metric is required.
I'm gonna try thinking of something.

First I think we should be happy the evo has a strong community. We may even lose some with the galaxy s phones coming out.
Next a agree many aren't much of a difference, but for those that don't have time to tweak stuff in the kitchen before installing, it is nice to find exactly what you want.
Finally I'm sorry to sound like an elitist, but this is a hackers forum. There shouldn't be such an expectation of things always being safe and working.
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VSack said:
Its not a question of worth, simply a question of signal to noise.
I've run DC, Cal's, Netarchy's, Baked, Fresh, CM, Nightlies, and probably ecen a few others...I still think some sort of metric is required.
I'm gonna try thinking of something.
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I do agree there are a lot out there and it can be tough for people to tell what is what. I don't think it's a bad thing though, device support is good, it means that hopefully things will be running for a long time to come.

ROMS!!

I love all these "What doesn't work..." ROMS. LOVE IT! Thanks DEVS/ROM DEVS

So don't use them?

Oh i don't. Couldn't, they are not full roms, incomplete

Well they are just trying to bring that new experience to everyone else. One of the most popular roms for our phone doesnt have 4g or hdmi working, and the ported roms dont have those working + camera not working. It really aint that bad. If you can put up with Cyanogenmod, then you can put up with the other ports.
Cyanogenmod and the ports are all pretty much faster than the stock roms too, so there's a huge plus side right there.

snandlal said:
I love all these "What doesn't work..." ROMS. LOVE IT! Thanks DEVS/ROM DEVS
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First go read this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814274
Second when you develop YOUR Desire HD ROM let us know we are dieing for a full working version.
Sorry that the ROMs that are incomplete have put you out. Maybe you should flash stock everything works on it.
Also please try to refrain from post more brainless topics.

i have a full rom that actually works and for people that like partial roms, these "what doesn't work" things will do fine. I like functionality

snandlal said:
i have a full rom that actually works and for people that like partial roms, these "what doesn't work" things will do fine. I like functionality
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I don't know what your talking about the only ROMs that are incomplete are the HD Desire ROMs. ALL of the other ROMs should be complete. I know my ROM is or at least as far as I know it is. You are not everyone, some people don't use the camera and don't live in a 4G area (most of us). So the HD Desire ROMs appeal to them. Quite thinking about yourself for a moment.
Also those "incomplete" desire roms give people like me a chance to star developing new ROMs using it as a base. SO when the camera is fixed we will be ready to rock. I'm sure THAT would be fine with you.
The world is full of other people.. just letting you know.

snandlal said:
i have a full rom that actually works and for people that like partial roms, these "what doesn't work" things will do fine. I like functionality
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I am guessing the new ROM your using had everything from the beginning? Camera worked perfect, 4G worked perfect, HDMI worked perfect, no bugs what-so-ever? It doesn't have Sense does it...hopefully not...
Can I know the name of this Rom, if so? And I am guessing its made by you, because who would be stupid enough to bad mouth other people's work that they have done for FREE and because they enjoy it and want to share it with the rest of us.
I really think you should go elsewhere, and stay off XDA. As this site is about helping people, not bad mouthing what these people are doing for us because they want to.
Thanks.

snandlal said:
I love all these "What doesn't work..." ROMS. LOVE IT! Thanks DEVS/ROM DEVS
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What does this post contribute? Nothing. Does it serve a point other than to express your self-valued opinion? No.
gtfo

Look at these so called roms. They have lists of important features that "aren't working". They keep adding useless apps and call it a new version. Pathetic

Uncle jimmy says hello

Ok so what do you suggest? Maybe the rom DEVELOPERS, key word devolpers, should hold out on these roms until its completely functional and not give anyone the chance to DEVELOP them and test for bugs and issues? Im sorry but did Apple release a fully working OS for Iphone? Or did Verizon release a fully working Droid rom, or Sprint a fully working EVO rom? Maybe had these companies release fully working products then XDA and custom roms wouldnt exist. The roms are created to give users a better product and make them work the way they should have out of the box. Cyanogen started a 2.2 rom for the hero that had items that didnt work at first but through testing releases and community feedback they got it completely working.
Id like a copy of YOUR completely working rom. Id like to run it for a week and prove theres not a single issue what so ever.
The developers clearly state that its an incomplete rom if theres items not working and clearly tell you what isnt working. They do this to give you the option to test with them or to stay away.
Your post, and Im sure you know this, is the exact reason developers have left here. Maybe you should create your own site, develop your own roms, and forget XDA. Had it not been for here my 3 previous phones and this one would be in the trash because of HTC and Sprints crap software that gave horrible battery life.
Thanks to Fresh's rom Im at 18h 21m and 40% battery left. On Sprints crap I was dead 8 hours. Ill gladly take a developmental rom to get that kind of battery, especially since I havent found anything not working.

Oh get off their nuts. Its been months. You test fully functioning software with bugs and glitches....NOT part of an OS and call it testing. The functions AREN'T there to test

Actually slick, you test the working parts of the rom while developers complete the parts that arent working and release update when their fixed. Have you never been part of a beta community or testing in general? Game developers (Infinity Ward for example) do this before every release. Call of Duty is a prime example. They release partially finished products then finish the remaining aspects.
So how about your rom? It sounds like its the best one ever made.

Actually ****, there is nothing to test. Its "what doesn't work" action. Say your only about partial. Typical simp

Get back to work kiesha

Ok, your right and I apologize for questioning your abilities as a developer and thinking you actually were as impaired as your posts make you seem. I guess its time to go back to Sprints stock rom and deal with the inability to put out a quality product that doesnt need further developing.
I look forward to the masterpiece youve created and hopefully soon it will be released to show the world what a dominating force you are in the development world.
And no, there is absolutely no sarcasm in this post at all, you really are my hero...

Another ungrateful person who complains when things don't happen the way they think it should posting another pointless thread that is meant to stir **** up.
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Thank you. Finally you guys see. Im glad people can admit when they are looking at things wrong

Ungrateful is using or having something and not appreciating it. I dont use those junkies

HD2 Android development stall

I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl, we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such. Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues, and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know, but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works, just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead. The roms used to work 100%, but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round. And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing! And I don't mind donating when something is GOOD, when it works and I appreciate the technical work that went in to make it work...not the technical work that went in to make it look pretty, at the expense of some fairy disastrous issues.
Please xda, enough with the benchmark willy waving competition! Please somebody just go back to making things that work rather than pretty...pretty useless...eyecandy!
And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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Peteryoung said:
I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl, we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such. Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues, and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know, but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works, just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead. The roms used to work 100%, but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round. And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing! And I don't mind donating when something is GOOD, when it works and I appreciate the technical work that went in to make it work...not the technical work that went in to make it look pretty, at the expense of some fairy disastrous issues.
Please xda, enough with the benchmark willy waving competition! Please somebody just go back to making things that work rather than pretty...pretty useless...eyecandy!
And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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yes...so why not starting today...make a ROM urself ???

We are all waiting for .35 desire kernel source from HTC?

Peteryoung said:
I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl,
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No, that is because there are less top devs on the device now, Some have moved on to different devices.
Peteryoung said:
we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such.
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Not at all, ist do to with view counts, posts created etc.
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Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues,
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What you "need" has nothing to do with it, devs dont work on the roms because they have to, They do it because they WANT to, They work on what they "need" or want to and then share the work.
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and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know,
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Correct.
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but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...
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Completely disagree, The work and progress done on the Sense 3 roms is amazing, Sorry you are too ignorant and ungrateful to appreciate that.
Peteryoung said:
I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works,
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Then go and download one of the older non-sense froyo/GB roms like NexusHD2.
Peteryoung said:
just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead.
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Well that's your problem, The fact that you are having to do this means that you are CHOOSING to install work in progress builds rather then more developed builds, Its your fault and your problem.
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The roms used to work 100%,
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Err no they didn't, They was developed into a state where they eventually worked and the same will happen to Sense roms.
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but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round.
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Then go download one?!?!
Peteryoung said:
And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing!
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sense Roms where never designed to run on HD2 and that is why they are been developed to do so! If you don't want to be patient or be part of the testing then that's your choice, go and download a simple stock rom!
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And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
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Desire base has been ported already and doesn't need more work until the desire gets and update. If you like the desire base so much why don't you just stick to the roms already available? Ill tell you why because you enjoy trying new builds, again that's your decision but you cant then complain just because most of the devs are hard at work on what THEY want to work on rather then what YOU want them to work on!
I personally don't want them to work on anything else apart from the kingdom, why? because its down to personal preference just like yours, at the end of the day its upto each individual dev what they work on!
PS. Please go and learn how to use paragraphs and sentence breaks etc as it just gets on your nerves when trying to read big long blocks like that.

ugh. this crap again? really? another thread dedicated to complaining that xda isn't giving you everything you want yesterday? and what do you expect with this kind of "support" - developers to come running over to you and ask you what you want?
this is exactly, exactly, what pushes people away from here.
really, you should have stopped with "I'm being a whiney little bugger" and just left. really, no one is begging you to stay. you aren't contributing; you are detracting. go on; leave.
@ theatheist - your points (as usual) are right on

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ugh. this crap again? really? another thread dedicated to complaining that xda isn't giving you everything you want yesterday? and what do you expect with this kind of "support" - developers to come running over to you and ask you what you want?
this is exactly, exactly, what pushes people away from here.
really, you should have stopped with "I'm being a whiney little bugger" and just left. really, no one is begging you to stay. you aren't contributing; you are detracting. go on; leave.
@ theatheist - your points (as usual) are right on
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Seconded!
Ignorant people like this OP need banning.

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Seconded!
Ignorant people like this OP need banning.
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Ignorant people, like myself, don't need banning; they need educating - like in your first posting.
I don't tend to go for the latest development, but rather one that works well.
If I want to try out a different version of SD Android, then I read what the chef has posted and all the posts relating to that specific release version. If it states that the camera isn't working yet, then I'll leave it as I use the camera. If it is noted that Bluetooth doesn't connect properly to headset, then I would use it, as I don't Bluetooth.

Playing the devil here:
At some point I can understand Peteryoung and I have seen several other people complain about this as well.
I have the HD2 just to toy around next to my E71 which makes it easy to say that I don't need a +90% working image. If something doesn't work tough ... and I will try another.
It would be nice to have the old trusty working roms like the one from Rafdroid updated to the latest working apps and all of the known fixes in 1 package.
I'm no developer but I am sure some of you could tweak the 'older' sense roms and incorperate all the latest working things. The GPS fixes are a nice example.
I personally applaud the devs in that thread for feedback and just trying to get it to work using feedback and interacting on it.
If the devs are focusing on newer type of roms, so be it and let them do it.
Lets face it, Android is fun on the HD2 but still it is a bit 'playing' around.

A retraction
Guys, I'm sorry
I think I was having a right cranky day when I penned that last grouchy missive.
I stand thoroughly ashamed and rightfully corrected on my last thoughts.
I really do appreciate all the work the devs put in for free here. I really do love the older desire roms and I guess I'm getting old, starting to refuse the changes of the times
I take it all back, I guess I really should stick to what I know best and let the youngsters do what they do best...making NEW stuff, not old.
I must say, I feel a little aggrieved at the sheer vitriol my post gained in response, but hey I guess after I'd battered everybody else with my tirade - that's just what I deserve.
Anyway, I hope the community can find it in their collective hearts to forgive this old sinner - I promise I won't write any more critical tirades on xda any more!
Apologies xda, I love you really xx
Peteryoung
P.S - Was the paragraph structure a little easier on the eye this time round?

Some just are not happy with ****...hey, you don't like it, move on back to WM6.5 where everything works. This is not a native android device so be lucky these developers are spending hours and days and more hours and more days so whiney ass spoiled brats like you can use their work for FREE. Be lucky you can even have ANDROID on the HD2! Another thing is there are plenty of what I consider perfect roms to choose from and many I have donated too.
Your apology is a joke you are still just acting like a *****...man up and get over yourself....

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Ignorant people, like myself, don't need banning; they need educating - like in your first posting.
I don't tend to go for the latest development, but rather one that works well.
If I want to try out a different version of SD Android, then I read what the chef has posted and all the posts relating to that specific release version. If it states that the camera isn't working yet, then I'll leave it as I use the camera. If it is noted that Bluetooth doesn't connect properly to headset, then I would use it, as I don't Bluetooth.
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Exactly
we are at liberty to choose any rom available here irrespective of the development progress
it is fun to flash...Ah, I miss old time when I had to flash ROM 2-3 times a week
Cheers...