I heard that current android rom for HD2 is actually a simulater over WM. So there are some restrictions i.e. the screen color is still 65K please advise whether there is a PURE android rom for HD2, thanks. I am wonder whether wait for HTC Desire HD or buy HD2 now.
boyhandsome said:
I heard that current android rom for HD2 is actually a simulater over WM. So there are some restrictions i.e. the screen color is still 65K please advise whether there is a PURE android rom for HD2, thanks. I am wonder whether wait for HTC Desire HD or buy HD2 now.
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Short answer, no there is not. Long answer, they have come surprisingly far in porting Android to the HD2 but there is still a lot of work to be done. The developers here are flat out amazing for making it as far as they have in as short a time as they have but as of right now no it's not a "pure" ROM if by pure you mean replaces WinMo. It currently only runs off of your SDcard and shuts down the Windows Kernel to boot the Linux Kernel... But like I said, it really seems like they're not far off from what you're inquiring about which I can only assume is a NAND version.
boyhandsome said:
I heard that current android rom for HD2 is actually a simulater over WM. So there are some restrictions i.e. the screen color is still 65K please advise whether there is a PURE android rom for HD2, thanks. I am wonder whether wait for HTC Desire HD or buy HD2 now.
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It has been stated several times now that it is NOT EMULATED. Haret shuts down the Windows Kernel and starts up the Linux kernel. There is no trace of Windows running. It's done this way for several reasons - No touching the internal memory of the phone whilst in beta to prevent bricking, easier to apply rapid updates and the main reason is that it's still needed to initialise hardware.
As for the screen color, that's a physical hardware limitation. The LCD Panel is a 65k Panel. You can't change that.
Wrathlon said:
As for the screen color, that's a physical hardware limitation. The LCD Panel is a 65k Panel. You can't change that.
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And yeah, as far as the color limitation... What HE said, heh.
Wrathlon said:
It has been stated several times now that it is NOT EMULATED. Haret shuts down the Windows Kernel and starts up the Linux kernel. There is no trace of Windows running. It's done this way for several reasons - No touching the internal memory of the phone whilst in beta to prevent bricking, easier to apply rapid updates and the main reason is that it's still needed to initialise hardware.
As for the screen color, that's a physical hardware limitation. The LCD Panel is a 65k Panel. You can't change that.
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Thanks for your reply!
boyhandsome said:
I heard that current android rom for HD2 is actually a simulater over WM. So there are some restrictions i.e. the screen color is still 65K please advise whether there is a PURE android rom for HD2, thanks. I am wonder whether wait for HTC Desire HD or buy HD2 now.
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Hi, it is not a simulator or an emulator.
However, it is started from windows currently whilst development continues.
Once development is complete I assume it will be available to boot from the phones internal rom (nand).
jjones1983 said:
Short answer, no there is not. Long answer, they have come surprisingly far in porting Android to the HD2 but there is still a lot of work to be done. The developers here are flat out amazing for making it as far as they have in as short a time as they have but as of right now no it's not a "pure" ROM if by pure you mean replaces WinMo. It currently only runs off of your SDcard and shuts down the Windows Kernel to boot the Linux Kernel... But like I said, it really seems like they're not far off from what you're inquiring about which I can only assume is a NAND version.
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OK. Then I wait for more mature HD2 android ROM and the specs of Dsire HD.
aenedor said:
Hi, it is not a simulator or an emulator.
However, it is started from windows currently whilst development continues.
Once development is complete I assume it will be available to boot from the phones internal rom (nand).
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Thanks for your reply!
I thought the LCD itself was 16M colors, but it was winmo which was limiting to 65k. This isn't true?
2girls1cup said:
why don't u do some research u fuggin cumquat...u should have a post count of at least 50 before you are able to create a thread. just my opin
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Well, this thread helped me a lot! I just wanted a heads up about android development on the HD2 and I didn't have to do any search! I mean, wow...
2girls1cup said:
why don't u do some research u fuggin cumquat...u should have a post count of at least 50 before you are able to create a thread. just my opin
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It is of course better if I can do my research on my own. However, English is not my mother language, so I have problem to read through all the technical issues. I will try to learn more.
appelflap said:
Well, this thread helped me a lot! I just wanted a heads up about android development on the HD2 and I didn't have to do any search! I mean, wow...
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Seconded, I've been Googling for a definitive answer for several days now, coming up with all sorts of conflicting information (such as the app at: androidforhd2.tk -- is that app just a hoax? Watching it in Process Explorer, it seems to do pretty much nothing but animate a progress bar using VB...).
This thread is by far the most recent/straightforward answer I could've hoped for.
Related
Will the EVO 4G hardware be close enough to the HD2 for it to help the Android on HTC project to put Android on the HD2? Any thoughts?
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Will the EVO 4G hardware be close enough to the HD2 for it to help the Android on HTC project to put Android on the HD2? Any thoughts?
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Most likely.... If the interest is their, someone will build it.
ahh yes.
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Will the EVO 4G hardware be close enough to the HD2 for it to help the Android on HTC project to put Android on the HD2? Any thoughts?
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indeed thats the question we are all waiting for the answer to..
lets hope it helps..
An interesting concept, there are those that are asking if Windows Phone7 is going to work with the HTC HD2 as well. Be nice if we could choose either. The HD2 is a lovely piece of kit.
when is the evo actually out? nobody got a whiff of a leaked rom?
got an hd2 myself, would love to get android
work it will not
incompatible the drivers will be
hmmm... porting winmo gsm radio driver to android, much trouble it will be.
impossible it is not, but long journey I see for you.
johnsongrantr said:
work it will not
incompatible the drivers will be
hmmm... porting winmo gsm radio driver to android, much trouble it will be.
impossible it is not, but long journey I see for you.
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yes, yoda.
johnsongrantr said:
work it will not
incompatible the drivers will be
hmmm... porting winmo gsm radio driver to android, much trouble it will be.
impossible it is not, but long journey I see for you.
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Suddenly I can hear Yodas voice as I am reading this........
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Suddenly I can hear Yodas voice as I am reading this........
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Joke you did get, much funny it was.
Complete my goal is
May the force be with you
I'm not so sure about this....
With the Evo not coming to UK waters and no other screen size planned this side of the pond the ROM on the HD2 may well be the only answer.
However, lets not forget.. the Evo has a lot inside which will be different to the HD2 and these short comings won't make the HD2 an Evo in disguise.
It may end up being a sheep in wolf's clothing.
I don't think you'll see it because of driver issues but if enough people want it anything is possible.
Aridon said:
I don't think you'll see it because of driver issues but if enough people want it anything is possible.
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More like, if the right person wants it.
same processor ... different board... no go
need hlevel eprom acess ... not posible software wise
Heres my 2 cents. If they already managed to port android for iphone then hell yeah its gonna happen. who would have thought that the iphone was gonna get android.
Lobo Lansky said:
Heres my 2 cents. If they already managed to port android for iphone then hell yeah its gonna happen. who would have thought that the iphone was gonna get android.
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they dont have android on the iphone it is a theme
blazing4phoenix said:
they dont have android on the iphone it is a theme
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No its android dualbooted
http://www.neverknowtech.com/home/2010/4/25/how-to-put-android-on-your-iphone-with-video.html
XAnimal said:
No its android dualbooted
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Not to mention that the iPhone doesn't support themes.
Scott Spillers said:
Not to mention that the iPhone doesn't support themes.
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Tell that to Winterboard and AndroidLock. But yes, theming isn't supported natively.
However the iPhone port of Android is an actual native port, loaded using OpeniBoot, a custom "iBoot"-style bootloader. And you thought the HTCSPL system was tricky...
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johnsongrantr said:
work it will not
incompatible the drivers will be
hmmm... porting winmo gsm radio driver to android, much trouble it will be.
impossible it is not, but long journey I see for you.
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Belated, but May the Fourth be with you.
I find it quite unlikely. Developers are still trying to get Android EMULATED, not installed, on the Touch Pro, and that version still suffers from poor battery life and frequent errors.
You can't just drag and drop ROMS from completely different operating systems onto different phones; otherwise, all phones would be sold without an OS installed.
The two phones may be similar in regards to features, but the insides are completely different. For example, the Evo has a maXTouch sensor, while the HD2 does not. So, while you may be able to get Android emulated on the HD2, it doesn't look like it's going to be very possible to transform it into an Evo by giving it the latter's ROM.
Mecha2142 said:
I find it quite unlikely. Developers are still trying to get Android EMULATED, not installed, on the Touch Pro, and that version still suffers from poor battery life and frequent errors.
You can't just drag and drop ROMS from completely different operating systems onto different phones; otherwise, all phones would be sold without an OS installed.
The two phones may be similar in regards to features, but the insides are completely different. For example, the Evo has a maXTouch sensor, while the HD2 does not. So, while you may be able to get Android emulated on the HD2, it doesn't look like it's going to be very possible to transform it into an Evo by giving it the latter's ROM.
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Since i've got android on my Sprint Vogue, i'd say it's possible if the right people want it to happen.
That when a stable android build is out for the HD2, it will be able ot run on the internal memory with NO windows mobile at all, and not kill the battery? i just wnat to make sure that i will not have to run the build of my sd card for ever.
i just would like all your opinions, cause i don't know weather to be patient and keep my hd2 or get something else...Just wondering what all your thoughts are..and when would you think a stable working full port would be?
thanks gang. Love this forum
Thanks DEVS! Great work on this!
no one??????
To be honest I think you'd be better off just getting an android phone if your looking to completely replace the os.......
You could be waiting a while otherwise.......
conantroutman said:
To be honest I think you'd be better off just getting an android phone if your looking to completely replace the os.......
You could be waiting a while otherwise.......
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Really? that is what i feared...
what (IYHO) would be a "while"?
I wouldnt like to even guess at how long because my knowledge of the whole android thing is very small, its not really something that interests me to be honest......
From what Ive been reading the newer builds are coming on in leaps and bounds but at the end of the day the HD2 is built to be a WM device, android will never run as efficiently and as stable as it would on an android handset....
Of course its going be fun to play around with but I dont think it will ever be able to replace the original os........
It sounds like you'd probably be better off with a desire / evo.........
dvigue said:
Really? that is what i feared...
what (IYHO) would be a "while"?
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Well they have been going since March, it's now July and we are on alpha release. A month, two, three...? Who knows.
i wonder how "usable" it will be, and will there ever be a rom that works on the internal memory and not the memory card?
dvigue said:
i wonder how "usable" it will be, and will there ever be a rom that works on the internal memory and not the memory card?
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I should think it would be stable and you may well be able to flash it to the internal ROM, or at least have a dual boot option. Personally I have no interest in running Android on my HD2, despite tinkering with it already.
I have my eye on the 'Desire HD'.
Kalavere said:
I should think it would be stable and you may well be able to flash it to the internal ROM, or at least have a dual boot option. Personally I have no interest in running Android on my HD2, despite tinkering with it already.
I have my eye on the 'Desire HD'.
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may i ask why? do you like Winmo better?
dvigue said:
may i ask why? do you like Winmo better?
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I have never tried Android, but I do like WM 6.5.x a lot, but it's well on the way out now. I'll be gunning for an Android phone next I think, and the 'Desire HD' looks like it will fit the bill nicely.
When I was considering the HD2 or the Android, the main reason I chose the HD2 was because of WM6.5. Despite all the bad impression, WM is still fairly stable for me. Furthermore, you can only install apps onto Device Memory using Android. How many programs do you think you can get onto the Device Memory?
I have an 8gb card (standard issue) and I have no qualms installing a program and playing with it for a while, and don't need to worry about memory becoming too low...
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When I was considering the HD2 or the Android, the main reason I chose the HD2 was because of WM6.5. Despite all the bad impression, WM is still fairly stable for me. Furthermore, you can only install apps onto Device Memory using Android. How many programs do you think you can get onto the Device Memory?
I have an 8gb card (standard issue) and I have no qualms installing a program and playing with it for a while, and don't need to worry about memory becoming too low...
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You can install apps on the memory card now... was added in 2.1 or 2.2
First let me say thank you to the xda community. I have enjoyed several android rom on my HD2 and will continue to support and test roms hoping to make a permanent transition one day.
Now on to the meat of the thread. Since there are still several flaws in most builds still why not create a app that shuts down or suspends the session of android os without having a power cycle or hard reboot. This would allow the use to take full advantage of both OS surly making it the ultimate device.
Great. Now YOU go make one then.
mini_robot said:
Great. Now YOU go make one then.
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Think its a pretty valid question. This would be good but don't think it is possible as Android can't access NAND yet and I'm guessing thats where the windows Kernal is so don't think it's possible. I may be totally wrong tho.
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Great. Now YOU go make one then.
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This is pathetic comment..
BTW for TS (thread starter) u post on the wrong section, there's question section..
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Jammie_1989 said:
Think its a pretty valid question. This would be good but don't think it is possible as Android can't access NAND yet and I'm guessing thats where the windows Kernal is so don't think it's possible. I may be totally wrong tho.
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I thought the android os is already running on top of the windows mobile OS making the phone a virtual machine.
No. It shuts down wimno when haret is loaded.
In theory, it's a great idea...but it's not really possible
rocks357 said:
I thought the android os is already running on top of the windows mobile OS making the phone a virtual machine.
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Nah, when you run Android, Windows Mobile shuts down completely...Windows Mobile is just used to initialise some of the hardware first
linux virtual machine?
Thanks for helping me clear that up.
i was hoping for a meld of the two os like a virtual machine.
when will android be useble on the htc leo?
what contains useble in the developers opinion?
and what are the thing we are waiting for for now for a useble android?
and when will it boot from startup?
koendegr said:
when will android be useble on the htc leo?
what contains useble in the developers opinion?
and what are the thing we are waiting for for now for a useble android?
and when will it boot from startup?
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It is unlike this will every take place. The complications with NAND and drivers for the Leo are the issue. Even the phone is similar to other HTC devices hard is different to drivers are as well. In the case of the Leo it will likely not happened. If you want a Android device I suggest you move from the Leo.
I understand the 4.3" screen is difficult to match on a carrier like T-Mobile. I personal just left Verizon where I had the Droid X. Android is nice but I was more focused on a phone with a nice hardware and set up.
koendegr said:
when will android be useble on the htc leo?
what contains useble in the developers opinion?
and what are the thing we are waiting for for now for a useble android?
and when will it boot from startup?
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Android is useable now.
Waiting for Devs to release it to NAND although it works flawlessly from the SD Card well at least mine does
Boot from Startup is NAND and won't be released untill it is finished.
The guy above this post is an idiot. It won't be long before it replaces winmo completely so stick with your HD2 as WP7 might be an option in the next few months or so as well.
koendegr said:
when will android be useble on the htc leo?
what contains useble in the developers opinion?
and what are the thing we are waiting for for now for a useble android?
and when will it boot from startup?
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Im sure, instead of wasting our valuable time, you could have spent some of yours searching through these threads and reading the state of the world of Android on the HTC Leo. But you didn't you chose to let loose another regurgitated thread asking the same question people have been asking for the last year.
Please read before posting.
Usable?
Usable? Um... I have not used winmo for about 2-3 months. If you have not tried it yet you should. There are several extremely stable builds right now. I recently switched from Bangsters to mdeejay evo revolution, only because I wanted to try a Sense build. Sound/voice quality is perfect, data speeds excellent, no issues with mms or any other functionality. Battery is also very good. Not as good as winmo, but very close, and who doesnt have a charger at their desk or in their car these days?
Sure you may lose data connection occasionally (maybe 1-2 times a week), but cycling airplane mode clears that up. The issues with android today are no worse than the shortcomings of winmo.
Its not like you lose winmo by loading up an android build. Just do it, you will not go back.
thanks for all the replays
my question is awnserd
and tanks for all of your aponions
ps i did search
koendegr said:
ps i did search
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Just didn't read
I'd say that, provided that you are willing to read the forums to troubleshoot your issues, android on the hd2 is as capable as any other current android handset.
How to disable Active Sync security?
Hi
I'm sure this is an issue already solved and even discussed here. I did the search.
Could you tell me where to find software which will disable Active Sync security feature on Sence Revolution 2.2?
I have installed LockPicker already but I'm not able to get it work properly.
Thanks in advanced.
There are several thread teaching replacing winmo with android eg. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5540986&postcount=5 thread by tatnai
is this workable on blackstone as well?
fonixcat said:
There are several thread teaching replacing winmo with android eg. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5540986&postcount=5 thread by tatnai
is this workable on blackstone as well?
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There is already a thread about blackstone NAND. We're basically waiting for improvements in similar devices, because no / very few devs have a blackstone.
If you want faster improvement, buy/get a blackstone and donate it to one dev
is there a dev in holland ?
Is there a dev in Italy?
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Eodun said:
There is already a thread about blackstone NAND. We're basically waiting for improvements in similar devices, because no / very few devs have a blackstone.
If you want faster improvement, buy/get a blackstone and donate it to one dev
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Exactly.
There are issues with GSM modem handling. I could load linux kernel from NAND but it hangs before Android boots. I don't understand the radio related code enough to fix it but someone eventually will do it. It works in HaRET because Winmo does all the dirty work (hardware initialization) and than Android takes over. Probably this is also the reason why WiFi kills 3G data and maybe other problems.
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Exactly.
There are issues with GSM modem handling. I could load linux kernel from NAND but it hangs before Android boots. I don't understand the radio related code enough to fix it but someone eventually will do it. It works in HaRET because Winmo does all the dirty work (hardware initialization) and than Android takes over. Probably this is also the reason why WiFi kills 3G data and maybe other problems.
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i think thats why battery is draining SUPER fast, and clock is desyncing..
two basic things for daily use!
but i've already seen nand for htc h2, and i think its quietly similar...
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but i've already seen nand for htc h2, and i think its quietly similar...
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Not similar at all. Different generation devices, different hardware... HD2 was almost identical (at least at a instruction level) as another native android device I don't remember, so they had almost all work done.
The Desire ?