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I was just wondering if the tmo wing is 3g Capable?

macaraballojr said:
I was just wondering if the tmo wing is 3g Capable?
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I DONT THINK SO BUT ILL SEARCH AROUND I THINK ITS STILL A 2/2.5G PHONE

no if you look in the xda-wiki it dont even seem to support edge much less 3g

thnx a lot guys i just found out also that it does not...
do you know of n e htc devices that will support it?

tilt/kaiser supports it but i heard that there is a video driver conflict though even so its a good phone

I only supports up to EDGE.

Rudegar said:
no if you look in the xda-wiki it dont even seem to support edge much less 3g
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eature Summary (T-Mobile Wing™)
Bluetooth®: 2.0*
Auto pairing
Browser:
WAP 2.0
WAP 1.x
HTTP 1.1
SSL 3.0
EDGE: Class B
GPRS: Class R99
Synchronization: ActiveSync
USB Support
USB mass storage: not enabled by default
Wi-Fi
Messaging
RIGHT OFF TMO SITE
(IGNORE THE CAPS).

Can't wait ... I will most likely get the Kaiser. My buddy just bought one and I unlocked it for him. Sweet phone. Much much smoother

the tilt or any phone that doesnt have 1700mhz 3g wont work on t mobile. just so you know the mhz spectrum t mo is using for their 3g is exclusive to them, they paid alot of money for that privilege. so if youre getting a 3g phone to use with the upcoming tmo 3g you better make sure its compatible other wise youll be stuck on edge.

so there is nothing that can be done to the wing to make it connect to 3g

chris82o said:
so there is nothing that can be done to the wing to make it connect to 3g
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Nope, it's like asking if there's anything that can be done so that you can fly your car. Technically, with enough money, knowledge and skills YEA, lots of stuff... but realistically, no. Unfortunately, it's a hardware that's just not there.

What?? is that the same for unlocked Herald too?

taz357 said:
What?? is that the same for unlocked Herald too?
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Yes.... you need a different radio to pick up the 3G sig

taz357 said:
What?? is that the same for unlocked Herald too?
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An unlock Herald is like a car that has been converted to run on E85. Just because it can run regular petrol/gas or E85 doesn't mean it can fly. (Sorry, I'm in a metaphorical mood...)
But it just won't work.

at the moment there arent alot of phones that can run on tmo's 3g, and as far as i know theres no smart phone or ppc (official ones) that are capable using tmos 3g. but dont worry im sure theyre gonna surprise us with something. i personally am gonna try to wait until the android platform comes out before i jump on another $300+ phone.

HTC has the diamond on their site that is supposed to work with the HSPDA network... the 2100 band even... you think they will be selling that to us?

neoobs said:
HTC has the diamond on their site that is supposed to work with the HSPDA network... the 2100 band even... you think they will be selling that to us?
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hmm... that'd be interesting... the Tmobile Diamond...

Thats A Phone Im Willing To Get

I can't find it in any US markets.... I think it was only in Europe... which is funny cause they say that the 900/2100 band is a Europe and Asia Band LOL

neoobs said:
I can't find it in any US markets.... I think it was only in Europe... which is funny cause they say that the 900/2100 band is a Europe and Asia Band LOL
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lol yea but i think the 1700 band was just released from the fcc
tmobile has it working in ny but not in a few places also that the 3g network isnt supposed to fully functional untill 2009 so we still have some time to go, so that means when the 3g phones come out ill get the full rebate for it
yay
but how did thiis thread become so out of topic
lol

Anyone in USA really concerned about losing 3G?

Like many of us I've been salivating at the prospect of the HD's large screen and, having decided that as good as my Touch Pro keyboard is, I don't use it enough to hold out for an HD with a keyboard (if there is even one in the roadmap). But..... I'm still smarting at not having 3G on my Touch Pro (and I know our XDA-Developers team may yet lick that limitation) so I'm seriously questioning whether I should go for the HD knowing it may never have 3G capability in the USA. Anyone else share this concern?

My need for 3G is about 10% of its total use...and my Edge network isn't exactly a snails pace. My Raphael is the best phone I've ever had, and I truly enjoy the ability to customize it. I am jumping ship and getting the HD without second thought. If the Elite team cracks the 3G...that's just the icing on the perfect raphael cake I have.

th1nm1nt said:
My need for 3G is about 10% of its total use...and my Edge network isn't exactly a snails pace. My Raphael is the best phone I've ever had, and I truly enjoy the ability to customize it. I am jumping ship and getting the HD without second thought. If the Elite team cracks the 3G...that's just the icing on the perfect raphael cake I have.
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Looks like we'll be here together too then th1nm1nt! Although I'll keep the Pro for a while once I have the HD just in case......
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I share
yeah, ummm, no 3G coverage here, don't care, lol. your 10%, well I am about 1%, just when I travel and can't hardly tell a difference anyway. Two things: Either the HTC rep that gave us bad news about the arrival of Blackstone in US is not telling the truth or doesn't know the truth to tell it. OR..... HTC really has the wrong idea about consumers in the US. Surely they realize that we want the device because of the many other improvements that it brings. The improvements in performance and the killer screen does it for me. I have owned PDA phone after PDA phone starting with the old Verizon xv6600, which by the way has a large screen compared to kaiser and many others and I know a breakthrough when I see one. If they really don't plan to release this device, then they had better be working on a 3G version with or without a sliding keyboard that runs windows mobile 7. If their really going to skip around generations and stuff, that wm7 device better arrive on time and on par with the iPhone in refinement and usability. They should make a device that people don't really need to cook ROMs to be satisfied with. Do it right the first time, don't take backwards steps, don't take baby steps either. Turn one foot directly in front of the other, in full force and confidence; the smart way. I want it now!

brucewilsonpa said:
Like many of us I've been salivating at the prospect of the HD's large screen and, having decided that as good as my Touch Pro keyboard is, I don't use it enough to hold out for an HD with a keyboard (if there is even one in the roadmap). But..... I'm still smarting at not having 3G on my Touch Pro (and I know our XDA-Developers team may yet lick that limitation) so I'm seriously questioning whether I should go for the HD knowing it may never have 3G capability in the USA. Anyone else share this concern?
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i think maybe its hidden and we can unlock it(if i get it, ill try to unlock the usa 3g) and if not maybe i can get ahold of a prototype with usa 3g. if not then oh well. ill keep it and sell it once they make one with usa 3g. i say if ur really worried then wait.......

I go all over the USA daily while driving my truck, and I've noticed that I get the big [H] in every 3G area I come to, so 3G is very important for me, but I'm still going to retire my Polaris when the HD comes out. I'll just hope and pray daily that someone figures out how to give us 3G...

Doesnt matter to me.
Only time I use it is if I accidentally update my weather application.

JesseW said:
I go all over the USA daily while driving my truck, and I've noticed that I get the big [H] in every 3G area I come to, so 3G is very important for me, but I'm still going to retire my Polaris when the HD comes out. I'll just hope and pray daily that someone figures out how to give us 3G...
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We finally got 3G here when I live in Millsboro Delaware. After installing Solace I to get the Big H now. I was either dumb or confussed. LOL However after the good people on here explained that H is better then 3G I was delighted. Not sure why. Called ATT said it was a little better, well faster and was fine for me to use with my unlimited plan.
Solace 1.5 is so smooth I just can't believe that I'd think of getting or replacing my Tilt. I think I finally found the phone for me.
Beachboyde/Jon

I switched from the Tytn 2 over to the Diamond not too long ago. I gave up 3G for slimmer form factor. I barely notice the difference. Maybe occasionally when I use YouTube or Opera, I wish I had a faster connection, but my day to day use of corporate push email is unaffected.
I would like to see the XDA pros open up 3G on these phones, but I feel the features are worth living with EDGE.
...but then again, I've been tempted to pick up a Slingbox lately too. Not sure I'd trust Slingplayer running on E.

Blob8me said:
Looks like we'll be here together too then th1nm1nt! Although I'll keep the Pro for a while once I have the HD just in case......
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So does that mean I'm no longer the stalker...but now you are?

T-mobile USA has 1700 Mhz and 2100 MHz frequencies for 3G support.
This is what I got from their website
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What frequency does your 3G network support?
Our 3G network supports both the 1700MHz and 2100MHz frequencies.
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So... I'll try 3G there once I get mine....

3G or no 3G
I have a Touch Diamond with no 3G (edge only) and one with 3G. (the big H) .
To me, not a big enough difference to worry about. The Edge connection is actually fast enough for me. May a half sec. difference in connection to web pages. Im getting the Touch HD. Besides most of the time I'm on wifi anyway. No big deal

So what exactly determines if we can get 3G in the US? Is it the radio? I have never quite understood this part.

bartimeus said:
So what exactly determines if we can get 3G in the US? Is it the radio? I have never quite understood this part.
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Not determined yet. The Elite team in the Raphael ROM forum does admit there is different hardware. They have connected to the US 3G, but don't think it is stable. They haven't finalized their research as of yet, but sure some more information will be coming shortly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420586

ok so it is hardware inside the phone that differs between US and EU 3G?
So if the bands on the specs page of the phone list US bands then it should be good to go?
Not trying to hyjack the thread I am just curious.

i will be getting an HD and droppign the touch pro... i think

bartimeus said:
So what exactly determines if we can get 3G in the US? Is it the radio? I have never quite understood this part.
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As far sas i heard. its the onboard chip that does the differents. HTC said that on some of the old phones, where it got hacked and worked with 3G, hardware was there but not activated. thats why the people here could get it to work. But HTC stated that this is not the case in the HD. THey said that the HD can not be hacked to work with 3G, as it is not possible hardware wise for the HD to recieve 3g signals on the USA network

i believe i said this already once but its more of a matter of just the antennas and if they can recieve the usa 3g bands or not. the actual chipset i know can use the bands its a matter or just enabling them.

I thought the 3g put a 3g icon not the big h? Thats how it shows on my friends tilt. Me i have not had 3g ever since i have used at&t lol cause i had the wizard and now the wing. Does 3g affect call performance or just data, if so i could care less about 3g then. Although i would rather no pay the premium price on the hd buying from europe

AT&T has HSUPA but you have to activate it in the settings.

Telstra 850 version working in USA on 3G

Hi
I stuck my neck out and purchased a Touch HD telstra version from a company in australia. It just came in today and it appears to be working well on the 3G band of ATT. I have the H in the signal bar and DSL report speed test 934 kbs. More to follow.
see this: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NPV2LJDG

This is awesome news...please keep us updated and also tell us where you got it from?
Thanks.
bjrmd said:
Hi
I stuck my neck out and purchased a Touch HD telstra version from a company in australia. It just came in today and it appears to be working well on the 3G band of ATT. I have the H in the signal bar and DSL report speed test 934 kbs. More to follow.
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WOW, thats compared to my E connection in Chicago that tested at 150K and WIFI at 1100K.

Ouch, I might shed a tear. I'm definitally jelous of 3g in US. Stuck on roughly 230kbps on E with tmobile. Though paying $10 for unlimited data and 200 msgs is nice compared to the move to At&t. Im =( nonetheless, but congrats to you

BTW, anyone know if its a change in hardware or software (like in diamond) that adds the frequency?

bjrmd said:
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I stuck my neck out and purchased a Touch HD telstra version from a company in australia. It just came in today and it appears to be working well on the 3G band of ATT. I have the H in the signal bar and DSL report speed test 934 kbs. More to follow.
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Just done the same thing here. Great to hear that you are having success!! thanks for letting us know.
Have you put a new ROM on the thing yet Dutty or something else?
Is the telstra customisation as bad as we have been hearing?
Cheers,

Awesome, please let us know where you got it from. Also, if you don't mind, how much was it with shipping and how long did it take to get.

x5-rwk said:
Awesome, please let us know where you got it from. Also, if you don't mind, how much was it with shipping and how long did it take to get.
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You have been quicker than me, I was writing the exact same questions
But yes guys, I really want to know in what store you found it.
Thanks !

Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSAA:US:11&Item=280315368392
Took 4 days, should have been 3 but customs held it up--needed a form filled out that I was using it for "testing" (I guess because its not FCC approved). Seller was great.
So far so good, flashed it and testing out some new roms.
3G works fine.
Getting used to the big screen and few buttons(had a polaris).

Damn, this is some amazing news if true....
I just recently got an Xperia X1a, but the HTC Touch HD was definitely my first choice. But the 3G thing was a deal-breaker for me since I really wanted something that was speedy on the browsing.
I absolutely love my X1 but this is making me wonder if I should return it....
MAN, I hope this is just a myth, lol!

How sweet it is
$826 plus shipping is a considerable amount. It doesn't surprise me that the OP is able to get 3G. I wonder where the user is located. It might make a difference if everybody will get 3G in the United States. I wish there was some kind of map / key that would identify where the 850 / 1900 3G signals were at in North America. Congrats on having 3G with the HD in the United States. I am quite jealous I must say.

I am in north Florida.
BTW saw some posts about bluetooth skips.
Using Dutty 1.9 rom and pocket player, perfect sound with a 64 bitpool even with internet usage. Kept the stock radio.

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$826 plus shipping is a considerable amount. It doesn't surprise me that the OP is able to get 3G. I wonder where the user is located. It might make a difference if everybody will get 3G in the United States. I wish there was some kind of map / key that would identify where the 850 / 1900 3G signals were at in North America. Congrats on having 3G with the HD in the United States. I am quite jealous I must say.
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Really? That doesn't surprise you? All the threads I've read in the past were talking about how disappointing it was to not get 3G in the U.S. with the HD. And how it was most likely a hardware issue (although that is still up for debate). Most people were even skeptical about the Aussie version.
I think if you were to hit up an AT&T wireless store, they could show you which areas have the 3G signals, they did for me. Although I'm not sure if they'd be able to specify if it's an 850 signal area.

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Really? That doesn't surprise you? All the threads I've read in the past were talking about how disappointing it was to not get 3G in the U.S. with the HD. And how it was most likely a hardware issue (although that is still up for debate). Most people were even skeptical about the Aussie version.
I think if you were to hit up an AT&T wireless store, they could show you which areas have the 3G signals, they did for me. Although I'm not sure if they'd be able to specify if it's an 850 signal area.
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Exactly. I know where all the 3G areas are in the US they just won't be able to tell me on what frequency.
The Xperia works on the 1900mhz signal only and gets 3G in some areas. That's why I was not surprised.

AllTheWay said:
Exactly. I know where all the 3G areas are in the US they just won't be able to tell me on what frequency.
The Xperia works on the 1900mhz signal only and gets 3G in some areas. That's why I was not surprised.
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Ahh, I see I see.
I got a big fat H with a box around it on my Xperia (HSDPA I think), which I was told by another poster is actually a lil faster than 3G.
So does that mean my area has only 1900mhz signal? Or not necessarily...
I'm really considering returning my Xperia now hahahah

Anyone can tell what make the different from the T8285 and T8282, both of them have the same hardware.....how can the T8285 support 3G, i use my T8282 to flash the telstra rom but still cant get the 3G even the model name have changed to T8285. I still dont believe that is the hardware issue

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Anyone can tell what make the different from the T8285 and T8282, both of them have the same hardware.....how can the T8285 support 3G, i use my T8282 to flash the telstra rom but still cant get the 3G even the model name have changed to T8285. I still dont believe that is the hardware issue
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You've put the Telstra software on a T8282, and don't get 3G.
Yet you still don't think it's hardware!?

Just ordered mine...oh man, 4 days is too long.....why is it only 4:00AM in Australia.....comeon ship it now already

From a differnt thread on the 850-1900 discussion:
http://cellularmap.net/att_850_1900.shtml
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$826 plus shipping is a considerable amount. It doesn't surprise me that the OP is able to get 3G. I wonder where the user is located. It might make a difference if everybody will get 3G in the United States. I wish there was some kind of map / key that would identify where the 850 / 1900 3G signals were at in North America. Congrats on having 3G with the HD in the United States. I am quite jealous I must say.
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Telstra T8285 fro EBAY AU Unlocked?
I have been tempted to order it on Ebay as well. It will be my first purchase on Ebay.... From what I can see the Telstra T8285 is the one I want and It says it's unlocked. I plan to pop my AT&T SIM card in and expect it to work on the 850 3g band. Am I missing anything else?? I'm pretty sure the folks who have already bought one have got it from the same source in AU. If I get the nerve to do this I will be selling my T8282.
Thanks

Determined to shine some light on 3G "850" working on X1i

First, for anyone interested in the subject here is a little list of threads I found discussing the subject:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=565000
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4579528
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442144
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2888831
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530699
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2843884
As you can see, there seems to be a lot of contradictory information from seemingly knowledgeable people.
My goal is to find a way to get the X1i on Rogers' 850 band they use in most places where they advertise 3G coverage. This might also be beneficial to some AT&T users as I believe they use the same bands.
I live in a suburb of Montreal. I never get anything better than EDGE and same goes when I am in class on the island of Montreal. However, when I go out once in a while and end up in downtown, in my drunken stupor I notice a little 3G symbol where the E used to be... Ha! My guess is that Rogers is using 850MHz all over the place and 1900MHz downtown. It would make more sense because '850' is better for covering vast areas that aren't so populated and '1900' is better at covering densely populated areas (downtown!).
My phone uses the Sony Ericsson supplied ROM for UK (OEM R3..) with a the 1.17 radio found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=565182 .
Here's something I discovered that triggered the spark:
-press the call button (get to the dialer)
-press menu (bottom right)
-options
-band
I am now presented with a box to chose my GSM/UMTS band:
"Auto"
"GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)"
"GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)"
"UMTS(2100)"
UMTS 1900 and 850?? Well well well...
Okay...still EDGE... Another phone (Samsung) supplied by Rogers has 3G right beside me.
Come on people, this really shows that the ROM is intended for a quad band phone. Plus there was a thread that I cannot find anymore with posted PDF's of the phone's chipset specs and it mentioned nothing of the phone being physically different between the X1i and X1a in terms of networking...
I really want to get the ball rolling on this because I have yet to see any solid proof that the X1i cannot do UMTS 850.

you sir, are my savior. thank you for posting and starting this thread. i myself have an X1i in the states and have been reading and reading about this for months on end with lots of conflicting information.
i can connect to HSDPA and Edge network, but never 3G. ONE TIME i saw the 3G logo for about 2 seconds, then it switched over to HSDPA...... i just can't stand the super duper slow edge network

but HSDPA is faster than 3g is it not??

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but HSDPA is faster than 3g is it not??
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correct, but HSDPA doesn't cover everywhere. in some deadspots i'm only on Edge, and i always wonder if i could get 3G instead.....

@ Jonny4911 : HSDPA IS TO 3G what EDGE is to GPRS...that's a good analogy I can think of. Yes, it is faster than regular 3G.
@ asayamalaka : If you have HSDPA, you shouldn't be worrying about 3G Or maybe you meant something else? This little utility should tell you about your connection speed (just type in the address in your phone's browser) : http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed
Until the devs / savvy guys and girls chime in, it would help a lot if anyone can contribute more interesting links to this thread. I am particularly looking for the those PDF's from Qualcomm but I can't find them anymore...
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correct, but HSDPA doesn't cover everywhere. in some deadspots i'm only on Edge, and i always wonder if i could get 3G instead.....
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Oh... I see. Have you tried what's in the first post with the phone setup? See if it helps...

Look with your eyes and not your mouth
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4373262&postcount=12

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Hannigan is right with this link, in that you cannot force the X1i to use HSDPA/HSPA+ on the 850mhz band, because it is not in the hardware. With all of the knowledgeable people out there, if it was possible to change it by flashing/hacking/etc., then it would have been done by now. I don't believe that we'll see 850mhz HSPA+ on our X1i's.
That being said, I myself have noticed my lil' ol' X1i receiving the "H" symbol while in the boonies (far away from the downtown core). I believe this is because there have been reports that Rogers is ramping up their support for HSPA+ on the 1900mhz band, in preparation for the Olympics out west. If this is the case, then the ODD time that your phone does not find the 850mhz band (or 1900mhz is more prevalent/strong), then it will hop on that frequency and you'll be able to use HSDPA.
What I was looking for, was not a hack to enable 3G on the X1i's 850mhz band, but rather some kind of "band preference" setting where you could force phone to look for and connect to the 1900mhz band over the 850mhz band (or even disable 850mhz all together, but that might give us less reception). As far as I know (and have been hunting the net), this isn't quite possible.
I am thinking that our (well, specifically mine because of where I live), only hope is that if Rogers continues to grow their 1900mhz network which supports HSDPA, and hopefully our X1i's will choose that network over the 850mhz one. My only worry with this is that the phone might see both frequencies, and pick the 850mhz one because it has more penetration in densely packed areas, making it the primary choice for the phone (since the 1900mhz signal would probably be weaker).
Anyways, I'm speculating a bit, as well as reporting the facts that I've heard from users on this forum and others (HowardForums has a topic open as well).
Let's hopefully continue to keep this thread going as a base reference for our issue here, because getting 3G/HSDPA on our X1i's would SIGNIFICANTLY improve our usability!

@andreitu just to clear one thing up for you, the X1i is a quad band phone, however the quad band is only in reference to GSM bands and does not apply to UMTS bands. The X1i is only Tri band UMTS...
To anyone getting the HSDPA in the US with an X1i, it's because the area you are in is served by a UMTS 1900 enabled cell. (i'm in dallas and am almost always on HSDPA on AT&T)...
Also to answer another point which was raised in both in this thread and in this one here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4373262#post4373262
On AT&T you will almost neevr see just a 3G connection, since AT&T has performed an upgrade t all base stations that enables HSDPA for 3G - so that everyone gets the fast speed possible when connected to 3G...!

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It wasn't just a link, I was quoting myself. It was a link to something I already said in another thread that covered the EXACT same thing.
Maybe I have been here too long, but I am starting to get irritated by seeing the same questions numerous times. I will at least give the thread starter some credit for showing an attempt to look at other threads first, but please do multiple google searches related to your subject before starting a thread.

This question was asked a lot when the phone was new. The 1900/850 option in Phone Settings is just a hardcoded dropdown. It does not magically enable WCDMA on 850MHz on the X1i, the hardware cannot do it.
You can receive 1900MHz signals because the X1i is tri-band 900/1800/2100 (even though the drop down does not indicate so).
In future, please, for the love of god, use search!

rwholden said:
On AT&T you will almost neevr see just a 3G connection, since AT&T has performed an upgrade t all base stations that enables HSDPA for 3G - so that everyone gets the fast speed possible when connected to 3G...!
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i figured this much but wasn't 100% sure. good to know, thanks

I live in california, i also have the x1i, and i have sometimes seen the 3G for like two seconds too. From reading the threads i have noticed that in deed H is faster than 3G, and myself i get H the whole time while in my room but when i go to my friends house downtown i get a "full H reception signal" and oh man dat is even faster than my brothers HTC Fuze>

azteca85 said:
I live in california, i also have the x1i, and i have sometimes seen the 3G for like two seconds too. From reading the threads i have noticed that in deed H is faster than 3G, and myself i get H the whole time while in my room but when i go to my friends house downtown i get a "full H reception signal" and oh man dat is even faster than my brothers HTC Fuze>
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oh man, words can't even describe how fast full blown H is. i think i clocked it at 1mb/sec on a speedtest last week...makes my roommates iphone 3Gs look like a toy. i've always known it was faster than Edge and 3G, just wasn't sure about the 3G till now

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oh man, words can't even describe how fast full blown H is. i think i clocked it at 1mb/sec on a speedtest last week...makes my roommates iphone 3Gs look like a toy. i've always known it was faster than Edge and 3G, just wasn't sure about the 3G till now
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Which is ironic since the iPhone 3GS is HSPA (7.2Mbps) capable...lol. HSPA is fast though. I regularly get between 1.5Mbps and 2.2Mbps here in Raleigh, NC.

Is there much diff btwn T8585 and T9193

I had the HD and now have the Nexus 1 but cannot resist coming back to my beloved Chefs and Winmo custimizations. I was wondering if anyone can give me insight on if its worth to pay the extra couple hundred dollars for the Telstra version with 3G and if it is a greatly noticeable difference of speed? I surf the web some and like to have 3G just to have it because I know its faster and better than edge but If theres no reason to shovel out the extra couple hundred dollars just to have a lil bit more speed I would go with the T8585. Hope someone can give me an idea if there would be a major difference between the 2 as I would be using it on ATT. Thanks

HTC HD2 T8585 vs. T9193
Thanks for posing the question regarding the differences in the two phones. I have a T9193 that I paid more to obtain due to its AT&T 3G capabilities. Unfortunately, I dont know the answer to that question but would be interested in knowing the opinion of others. The obvious answer is that 3G is faster than the edge technology. I flashed a different ROM to my device and it now displays under phone identity: Model No. HTC HD2 T8585. I am sure that this change in identity does not change the basic mechanics of the phone or its 3G capabilities (at least not that I have noticed). Anyone who has thoughts on this please advise. Thanks

http://pocketnow.com/thought/t-mobile-hd2-vs-htc-hd2-comparison
Some size differences above, which I found interesting. No speed comparisons though

Schooleydoo said:
http://pocketnow.com/thought/t-mobile-hd2-vs-htc-hd2-comparison
Some size differences above, which I found interesting. No speed comparisons though
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The TMobile phone is not the T9193, there is only one difference between the T8585 & T9193 and that's the WCDMA/HSPA bands.

Be sure to check if your area has 850MHz coverage prior to making the purchase. I have the T9193 here in arizona, but all we have is 1900mhz 3G access here. Thankfully, the AT&T reps have gotten word that they will be rolling out 850mhz towers within the next 4 months, but still...it hasn't happened yet.

The 9193 sprinkles fairy dust and has the ability to call upon unicorns, clearly making it superior, in addition to its superior ATT and NextG capabilities.
Edge is a lot slower than HSPA.

Edge only
I live in Idaho, Small town too. We don't have 3g.I've had several nice phones, including htc hd, now hd2. I do all the things with edge, but I realize it's just slower, but I have no complaints. It seems pretty fast because of the processor. I don't travel much,edge works fine where I go.I seem to get wifi connections alot where I hang out?I use youtube, web surf little, skyfire,text, mms,I love it, but, I've never had 3g!! But a matter of a few seconds in my life, doesn't really matter. Just need to decide if those few secs matter to you? Just Quig's opinion,,

Don't know about you guys, but I like the tmo's hd2 keypad (the green and red call and power on/end call buttons) more than the eu version. I wonder why they did that one with a different backlight..

MartinXDA said:
I wonder why they did that one with a different backlight..
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It's probably not a different backlight, it's probably just a different key cover that has a green/red translucent filter on it...

well true...
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I live in Idaho, Small town too. We don't have 3g.I've had several nice phones, including htc hd, now hd2. I do all the things with edge, but I realize it's just slower, but I have no complaints. It seems pretty fast because of the processor. I don't travel much,edge works fine where I go.I seem to get wifi connections alot where I hang out?I use youtube, web surf little, skyfire,text, mms,I love it, but, I've never had 3g!! But a matter of a few seconds in my life, doesn't really matter. Just need to decide if those few secs matter to you? Just Quig's opinion,,
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true but i do a lot of tethering when i travel. without 3g i don't get the live stream that is sometimes important to my work. i just got 8585 and love this phone. but huge disappointment with 3g...

azalex86 said:
Be sure to check if your area has 850MHz coverage prior to making the purchase. I have the T9193 here in arizona, but all we have is 1900mhz 3G access here. Thankfully, the AT&T reps have gotten word that they will be rolling out 850mhz towers within the next 4 months, but still...it hasn't happened yet.
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There's a map for that
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
Delicious 850mhz 3G/HDSPA in both Provo, Utah and North Brunswick, New Jersey
Any new towers will be 850mhz and supposedly they are working to convert some 1900 towers to 850. Not sure how true the last bit is, but the first bit is true.
As for my t9193, it is just as good as a t8585 just with ATT 3G. No difference mate, no worries on roms or SPL.
(Although, the current release of hardspl did not program the Telstra MID into the list, so it wont let you flash it yet, but it should work!)