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Anyone in USA really concerned about losing 3G?

Like many of us I've been salivating at the prospect of the HD's large screen and, having decided that as good as my Touch Pro keyboard is, I don't use it enough to hold out for an HD with a keyboard (if there is even one in the roadmap). But..... I'm still smarting at not having 3G on my Touch Pro (and I know our XDA-Developers team may yet lick that limitation) so I'm seriously questioning whether I should go for the HD knowing it may never have 3G capability in the USA. Anyone else share this concern?

My need for 3G is about 10% of its total use...and my Edge network isn't exactly a snails pace. My Raphael is the best phone I've ever had, and I truly enjoy the ability to customize it. I am jumping ship and getting the HD without second thought. If the Elite team cracks the 3G...that's just the icing on the perfect raphael cake I have.

th1nm1nt said:
My need for 3G is about 10% of its total use...and my Edge network isn't exactly a snails pace. My Raphael is the best phone I've ever had, and I truly enjoy the ability to customize it. I am jumping ship and getting the HD without second thought. If the Elite team cracks the 3G...that's just the icing on the perfect raphael cake I have.
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Looks like we'll be here together too then th1nm1nt! Although I'll keep the Pro for a while once I have the HD just in case......
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I share
yeah, ummm, no 3G coverage here, don't care, lol. your 10%, well I am about 1%, just when I travel and can't hardly tell a difference anyway. Two things: Either the HTC rep that gave us bad news about the arrival of Blackstone in US is not telling the truth or doesn't know the truth to tell it. OR..... HTC really has the wrong idea about consumers in the US. Surely they realize that we want the device because of the many other improvements that it brings. The improvements in performance and the killer screen does it for me. I have owned PDA phone after PDA phone starting with the old Verizon xv6600, which by the way has a large screen compared to kaiser and many others and I know a breakthrough when I see one. If they really don't plan to release this device, then they had better be working on a 3G version with or without a sliding keyboard that runs windows mobile 7. If their really going to skip around generations and stuff, that wm7 device better arrive on time and on par with the iPhone in refinement and usability. They should make a device that people don't really need to cook ROMs to be satisfied with. Do it right the first time, don't take backwards steps, don't take baby steps either. Turn one foot directly in front of the other, in full force and confidence; the smart way. I want it now!

brucewilsonpa said:
Like many of us I've been salivating at the prospect of the HD's large screen and, having decided that as good as my Touch Pro keyboard is, I don't use it enough to hold out for an HD with a keyboard (if there is even one in the roadmap). But..... I'm still smarting at not having 3G on my Touch Pro (and I know our XDA-Developers team may yet lick that limitation) so I'm seriously questioning whether I should go for the HD knowing it may never have 3G capability in the USA. Anyone else share this concern?
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i think maybe its hidden and we can unlock it(if i get it, ill try to unlock the usa 3g) and if not maybe i can get ahold of a prototype with usa 3g. if not then oh well. ill keep it and sell it once they make one with usa 3g. i say if ur really worried then wait.......

I go all over the USA daily while driving my truck, and I've noticed that I get the big [H] in every 3G area I come to, so 3G is very important for me, but I'm still going to retire my Polaris when the HD comes out. I'll just hope and pray daily that someone figures out how to give us 3G...

Doesnt matter to me.
Only time I use it is if I accidentally update my weather application.

JesseW said:
I go all over the USA daily while driving my truck, and I've noticed that I get the big [H] in every 3G area I come to, so 3G is very important for me, but I'm still going to retire my Polaris when the HD comes out. I'll just hope and pray daily that someone figures out how to give us 3G...
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We finally got 3G here when I live in Millsboro Delaware. After installing Solace I to get the Big H now. I was either dumb or confussed. LOL However after the good people on here explained that H is better then 3G I was delighted. Not sure why. Called ATT said it was a little better, well faster and was fine for me to use with my unlimited plan.
Solace 1.5 is so smooth I just can't believe that I'd think of getting or replacing my Tilt. I think I finally found the phone for me.
Beachboyde/Jon

I switched from the Tytn 2 over to the Diamond not too long ago. I gave up 3G for slimmer form factor. I barely notice the difference. Maybe occasionally when I use YouTube or Opera, I wish I had a faster connection, but my day to day use of corporate push email is unaffected.
I would like to see the XDA pros open up 3G on these phones, but I feel the features are worth living with EDGE.
...but then again, I've been tempted to pick up a Slingbox lately too. Not sure I'd trust Slingplayer running on E.

Blob8me said:
Looks like we'll be here together too then th1nm1nt! Although I'll keep the Pro for a while once I have the HD just in case......
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So does that mean I'm no longer the stalker...but now you are?

T-mobile USA has 1700 Mhz and 2100 MHz frequencies for 3G support.
This is what I got from their website
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What frequency does your 3G network support?
Our 3G network supports both the 1700MHz and 2100MHz frequencies.
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So... I'll try 3G there once I get mine....

3G or no 3G
I have a Touch Diamond with no 3G (edge only) and one with 3G. (the big H) .
To me, not a big enough difference to worry about. The Edge connection is actually fast enough for me. May a half sec. difference in connection to web pages. Im getting the Touch HD. Besides most of the time I'm on wifi anyway. No big deal

So what exactly determines if we can get 3G in the US? Is it the radio? I have never quite understood this part.

bartimeus said:
So what exactly determines if we can get 3G in the US? Is it the radio? I have never quite understood this part.
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Not determined yet. The Elite team in the Raphael ROM forum does admit there is different hardware. They have connected to the US 3G, but don't think it is stable. They haven't finalized their research as of yet, but sure some more information will be coming shortly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420586

ok so it is hardware inside the phone that differs between US and EU 3G?
So if the bands on the specs page of the phone list US bands then it should be good to go?
Not trying to hyjack the thread I am just curious.

i will be getting an HD and droppign the touch pro... i think

bartimeus said:
So what exactly determines if we can get 3G in the US? Is it the radio? I have never quite understood this part.
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As far sas i heard. its the onboard chip that does the differents. HTC said that on some of the old phones, where it got hacked and worked with 3G, hardware was there but not activated. thats why the people here could get it to work. But HTC stated that this is not the case in the HD. THey said that the HD can not be hacked to work with 3G, as it is not possible hardware wise for the HD to recieve 3g signals on the USA network

i believe i said this already once but its more of a matter of just the antennas and if they can recieve the usa 3g bands or not. the actual chipset i know can use the bands its a matter or just enabling them.

I thought the 3g put a 3g icon not the big h? Thats how it shows on my friends tilt. Me i have not had 3g ever since i have used at&t lol cause i had the wizard and now the wing. Does 3g affect call performance or just data, if so i could care less about 3g then. Although i would rather no pay the premium price on the hd buying from europe

AT&T has HSUPA but you have to activate it in the settings.

3G Network for North America

Did anyone get chance to test HD with 3G on North America network?
The reason I am asking because I am willing to change my old i-mate to HTC HD and I am worry that device will not work with 3G network.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated

Dont bother no support for 3G in the US only Edge.

ynagy said:
Did anyone get chance to test HD with 3G on North America network?
The reason I am asking because I am willing to change my old i-mate to HTC HD and I am worry that device will not work with 3G network.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated
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Why yes, the HD works great on all the 3G networks here in the US that support 900/2100 MHz.
Which is none.

vewdew said:
Dont bother no support for 3G in the US only Edge.
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would you know if HTC developing a new one to work with 3G fr NA?

No 3g no sweat
ynagy said:
would you know if HTC developing a new one to work with 3G fr NA?
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They Made it clear to the public that the were not going to do such a thing. I live in Florida, I imported mine anyway, just cause.
I must say though, I also have the g1 which supports 3g and I don't notice that much of a speed difference because Opera mobile does such a kick ass job of rendering web pages.
Though, if your intertainment relies heavily on Youtube vids, than don't get the HD unless you have plentiful Wifi networks around.
I love my touch HD, the lack of US 3G don't really translate to much.
I hope you find this helpful

fnordelus said:
They Made it clear to the public that the were not going to do such a thing. I live in Florida, I imported mine anyway, just cause.
I must say though, I also have the g1 which supports 3g and I don't notice that much of a speed difference because Opera mobile does such a kick ass job of rendering web pages.
Though, if your intertainment relies heavily on Youtube vids, than don't get the HD unless you have plentiful Wifi networks around.
I love my touch HD, the lack of US 3G don't really translate to much.
I hope you find this helpful
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Thank you for your great explanations I’m using it mainly for emails, so I guess I can use it anyway doesn’t matter if I am using 3G or edge network.
Then I will try to get it on Monday.

ynagy said:
Did anyone get chance to test HD with 3G on North America network?
The reason I am asking because I am willing to change my old i-mate to HTC HD and I am worry that device will not work with 3G network.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated
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I am very confused here, many people are saying that the HD does not support Northern American 3G speed. And again some websites say it does. boygeniusreport.com say that it does.
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/12/19/htc-touch-hd-easter-egg-att-compatible-3g-bands/
if you go to htc.com and look up the frequencies it says
HSDPA/WCDMA:
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Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
* Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
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Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSUPA availability, and data speed are operator dependent.)
AT&T 3G networks operates on 850 and one more 1800 or 1900 not so sure. I also called htc and asked them if it will operate on AT&T 3G network and they said yes. Some posts online say that supposing it does not function on US 3G network you may be able to tweek the phone to a certain frequency..What do you guys think? I am so close in getting the HD, but i do not want to get a phone that does not work on AT&T 3G network
Any help would be much appreciated.

IT DOES NOT WORK ON AT&T 3G NOR ON ANY US 3G FOR THAT MATTER. I loved my HD but got tired of waiting and waiting if someone could open the usa 3G and had to admit to myself that the Iphone 3G is indeed the best phone out there. As much as i would say i hated the iphone i was completly wrong in saying this. So if you live in the us and use the internet and like games do yourself a favor and go the same route.

Turb0wned said:
IT DOES NOT WORK ON AT&T 3G NOR ON ANY US 3G FOR THAT MATTER. I loved my HD but got tired of waiting and waiting if someone could open the usa 3G and had to admit to myself that the Iphone 3G is indeed the best phone out there. As much as i would say i hated the iphone i was completly wrong in saying this. So if you live in the us and use the internet and like games do yourself a favor and go the same route.
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dude, stop telling people to get the iphone. people here are adults, and dont want a little kids toy. jeez, take your iphone and go to the iphone forums

yeeeh ..tell me this..why the hell would i want to get a phone that just not take video, no bluetooth file transfer, no copy..and much more..
its just amazing how stupid people are to fall in love in a stupid phone like that.

I got an HD yesterday and have it on AT&T and I have to say I'm really impressed. I'm going to put it side by side next to my Fuze tonight and see what kind of a hit 3G speed does to it but I didn't feel it was any slower than my Fuze on 3G going onto the net... YouTube was a bit slower to load initially but I didn't get it to play YouTube. The screen resolution is so high it really reminds you how poor YouTube quality video tends to be
oh and of course, there is no 3G on the HD

using operamini (best browser imo) there is almost no difference in speed. i only notice the lack of 3g when downloading big files or streaming youtube. i have wifi readily available in most places, so not a big problem. i cant imagine the battery life with 3g, so maybe its a good thing we dont have 3g

With the same network (HSDPA 2100), I've noticed that I can browse faster using my HD as a modem with my laptop; I think that the device is sometimes slower itself in displaying internet pages using opera.
about the 3G Network for North America, I can see
I have in the phone - options - BAND these:
1. UMTS (2100) + GSM (900+1800)
2. UMTS (850+1900) + GSM (850+1900)
3. UMTS (800+2100)
4. UMTS (850+2100) + GSM(900+1800)
5. UMTS (850) + GSM(900+1800)
and I can't see WCDMA (UMTS) 900 Mhz
Is there someone who have really tested the Blackstone under the following bands:
HSDPA-UMTS 800-850-900 Mhz
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HTC HD
ROM 1.13.401.0 (20428) ITA date 10/25/08
radio version 1.09.25.14
protocol 52.49a.25.26U

Will the Australian version work on US 3G. I have been reading the their version operates on same US 3G frequencies

if...
if i had a dollar for every thread on the Touch HD and the US networks...
turns out ill just have 6 dollars...
search please before posting this... or moderators please make this sticky...
Also, try the skyfire browser on the Touch HD.... (u will have to dig the forums for the alpha build that supports the screen resolution), the text isnt as sharp as opera... but so much faster.. in my tests... about 2.5 times faster than opera... (not opera mini) ... and browse to a youtube video... and then to break, or others.

omaralt said:
dude, stop telling people to get the iphone. people here are adults, and dont want a little kids toy. jeez, take your iphone and go to the iphone forums
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Whoa whoa im sorry you get your feelings hurt so easy. It is my opinion, i loved the hd i really did but i also love 3G, being able to see my phone in sunlight, not having to finger tip/finger nail touch and i also love having games. Trust me i didn't want to get rid of the HD but now i dont regret it. I used to hate on the iphone ALOT to. And yes i dont have bluetooth transfers but i do have video. Once windows mobile makes improvements maybe i will go back to an HTC. Now if i wasn't in the usa and the 3G worked where i was i prob wouldn't have an iphone now. Also $199.00 Iphone 3G> $700 HTC HD Edge. And im not big iphone crazy person just made more scince. And also im sorry i should have said in my first post "a JAILBROKEN iphone is the best phone out right now."
Anyways back to the topic. What about the Aus version did that ever come out with us 3G bands????

hassan_023 said:
Will the Australian version work on US 3G. I have been reading the their version operates on same US 3G frequencies
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If it has at least 1 of the usa 3G bands (850,1900) and you live in an area that uses the band the phone has then yes it will work. My guess would be that if it does have usa 3G its going to cost an arm and a leg.

Telstra 850 version working in USA on 3G

Hi
I stuck my neck out and purchased a Touch HD telstra version from a company in australia. It just came in today and it appears to be working well on the 3G band of ATT. I have the H in the signal bar and DSL report speed test 934 kbs. More to follow.
see this: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NPV2LJDG

This is awesome news...please keep us updated and also tell us where you got it from?
Thanks.
bjrmd said:
Hi
I stuck my neck out and purchased a Touch HD telstra version from a company in australia. It just came in today and it appears to be working well on the 3G band of ATT. I have the H in the signal bar and DSL report speed test 934 kbs. More to follow.
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WOW, thats compared to my E connection in Chicago that tested at 150K and WIFI at 1100K.

Ouch, I might shed a tear. I'm definitally jelous of 3g in US. Stuck on roughly 230kbps on E with tmobile. Though paying $10 for unlimited data and 200 msgs is nice compared to the move to At&t. Im =( nonetheless, but congrats to you

BTW, anyone know if its a change in hardware or software (like in diamond) that adds the frequency?

bjrmd said:
Hi
I stuck my neck out and purchased a Touch HD telstra version from a company in australia. It just came in today and it appears to be working well on the 3G band of ATT. I have the H in the signal bar and DSL report speed test 934 kbs. More to follow.
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Just done the same thing here. Great to hear that you are having success!! thanks for letting us know.
Have you put a new ROM on the thing yet Dutty or something else?
Is the telstra customisation as bad as we have been hearing?
Cheers,

Awesome, please let us know where you got it from. Also, if you don't mind, how much was it with shipping and how long did it take to get.

x5-rwk said:
Awesome, please let us know where you got it from. Also, if you don't mind, how much was it with shipping and how long did it take to get.
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You have been quicker than me, I was writing the exact same questions
But yes guys, I really want to know in what store you found it.
Thanks !

Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSAA:US:11&Item=280315368392
Took 4 days, should have been 3 but customs held it up--needed a form filled out that I was using it for "testing" (I guess because its not FCC approved). Seller was great.
So far so good, flashed it and testing out some new roms.
3G works fine.
Getting used to the big screen and few buttons(had a polaris).

Damn, this is some amazing news if true....
I just recently got an Xperia X1a, but the HTC Touch HD was definitely my first choice. But the 3G thing was a deal-breaker for me since I really wanted something that was speedy on the browsing.
I absolutely love my X1 but this is making me wonder if I should return it....
MAN, I hope this is just a myth, lol!

How sweet it is
$826 plus shipping is a considerable amount. It doesn't surprise me that the OP is able to get 3G. I wonder where the user is located. It might make a difference if everybody will get 3G in the United States. I wish there was some kind of map / key that would identify where the 850 / 1900 3G signals were at in North America. Congrats on having 3G with the HD in the United States. I am quite jealous I must say.

I am in north Florida.
BTW saw some posts about bluetooth skips.
Using Dutty 1.9 rom and pocket player, perfect sound with a 64 bitpool even with internet usage. Kept the stock radio.

AllTheWay said:
$826 plus shipping is a considerable amount. It doesn't surprise me that the OP is able to get 3G. I wonder where the user is located. It might make a difference if everybody will get 3G in the United States. I wish there was some kind of map / key that would identify where the 850 / 1900 3G signals were at in North America. Congrats on having 3G with the HD in the United States. I am quite jealous I must say.
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Really? That doesn't surprise you? All the threads I've read in the past were talking about how disappointing it was to not get 3G in the U.S. with the HD. And how it was most likely a hardware issue (although that is still up for debate). Most people were even skeptical about the Aussie version.
I think if you were to hit up an AT&T wireless store, they could show you which areas have the 3G signals, they did for me. Although I'm not sure if they'd be able to specify if it's an 850 signal area.

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Really? That doesn't surprise you? All the threads I've read in the past were talking about how disappointing it was to not get 3G in the U.S. with the HD. And how it was most likely a hardware issue (although that is still up for debate). Most people were even skeptical about the Aussie version.
I think if you were to hit up an AT&T wireless store, they could show you which areas have the 3G signals, they did for me. Although I'm not sure if they'd be able to specify if it's an 850 signal area.
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Exactly. I know where all the 3G areas are in the US they just won't be able to tell me on what frequency.
The Xperia works on the 1900mhz signal only and gets 3G in some areas. That's why I was not surprised.

AllTheWay said:
Exactly. I know where all the 3G areas are in the US they just won't be able to tell me on what frequency.
The Xperia works on the 1900mhz signal only and gets 3G in some areas. That's why I was not surprised.
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Ahh, I see I see.
I got a big fat H with a box around it on my Xperia (HSDPA I think), which I was told by another poster is actually a lil faster than 3G.
So does that mean my area has only 1900mhz signal? Or not necessarily...
I'm really considering returning my Xperia now hahahah

Anyone can tell what make the different from the T8285 and T8282, both of them have the same hardware.....how can the T8285 support 3G, i use my T8282 to flash the telstra rom but still cant get the 3G even the model name have changed to T8285. I still dont believe that is the hardware issue

k6076199 said:
Anyone can tell what make the different from the T8285 and T8282, both of them have the same hardware.....how can the T8285 support 3G, i use my T8282 to flash the telstra rom but still cant get the 3G even the model name have changed to T8285. I still dont believe that is the hardware issue
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You've put the Telstra software on a T8282, and don't get 3G.
Yet you still don't think it's hardware!?

Just ordered mine...oh man, 4 days is too long.....why is it only 4:00AM in Australia.....comeon ship it now already

From a differnt thread on the 850-1900 discussion:
http://cellularmap.net/att_850_1900.shtml
AllTheWay said:
$826 plus shipping is a considerable amount. It doesn't surprise me that the OP is able to get 3G. I wonder where the user is located. It might make a difference if everybody will get 3G in the United States. I wish there was some kind of map / key that would identify where the 850 / 1900 3G signals were at in North America. Congrats on having 3G with the HD in the United States. I am quite jealous I must say.
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Telstra T8285 fro EBAY AU Unlocked?
I have been tempted to order it on Ebay as well. It will be my first purchase on Ebay.... From what I can see the Telstra T8285 is the one I want and It says it's unlocked. I plan to pop my AT&T SIM card in and expect it to work on the 850 3g band. Am I missing anything else?? I'm pretty sure the folks who have already bought one have got it from the same source in AU. If I get the nerve to do this I will be selling my T8282.
Thanks

Is t-mobile 2g faster than at&t's?

So I ordered my N1 yesterday, and currently have at&t. wasn't too worried about the whole 3g thing, because I figured one of the smart guys here at xda would figure out a way to make it work. After looking in to it further, I realize the hardware just won't allow that. I would just switch to T-mobile, but they have no 3g coverage anywhere near me yet. this brings me to my question. is it worth switching to tmobiles coverage for faster 2g possibly, or in the hopes that they'll soon expand their network. I don't mind getting out of my contract with at&t, tmobiles rates seem to be a lot better. I'm just wondering if anybody has heard anything on T-mobiles future plans.

I think most anecdotal evidence by most users is that EDGE on TMO is much faster than ATT. Why? Even though the "transport" 2G technology is the same, ATT still suffers from not enough bandwidth at its towers for all the heavy 3G areas due to heavy usage. -- In other words, backhaul contention.
Also, the fact that in places where there is no TMO 3G... EDGE works quite well for the very same reason... Even with towers that only have several T1/DS1's in place instead of T3/DS3's or fiber
Cheers,
Kermee

In NYC, where I have 3G coverage as well, EDGE tops out at 10-15KB/s

hurrycaine3000 said:
So I ordered my N1 yesterday, and currently have at&t. wasn't too worried about the whole 3g thing, because I figured one of the smart guys here at xda would figure out a way to make it work. After looking in to it further, I realize the hardware just won't allow that. I would just switch to T-mobile, but they have no 3g coverage anywhere near me yet. this brings me to my question. is it worth switching to tmobiles coverage for faster 2g possibly, or in the hopes that they'll soon expand their network. I don't mind getting out of my contract with at&t, tmobiles rates seem to be a lot better. I'm just wondering if anybody has heard anything on T-mobiles future plans.
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I personally have ran on EDGE for awhile on tmobile and have never had a problem with wifi while I am at home/school... however the 3g is nice, though my house seems to have 3g signals
its simple business really, though 1 man cannot make a difference... as the company grows, the service grows... verizon has the best service because it has the most customers... i think the reason tmobile has struggled in the US (as opposed to being the number 1 world wide carrier) is because of the lack of appeal from phones... with more phones rolling out and tmobile always having its doors open to unlocked phones i see the company gaining some momentum and it starts with these new android phones making it big as well as now having the fastest network in the nation...
ive had bad experiences with both verizon (contract issues) and att (terrible customer service), tmobile has yet to steer me wrong (other than not giving me an upgrade for the N1 haha)
with that said, try em out, idk if companies still let you trial their service for a week or so but you could ask?

i honestly cant tel a diff between edge and 3 g lol they both are friggin fast as hell

VoLoDaR1 said:
i honestly cant tel a diff between edge and 3 g lol they both are friggin fast as hell
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It all depends on what you're doing Tweeting and reading tweets... probably not so much
Cheers,
Kermee

are you crazy? 3G is AT LEAST 10+ times as fast as EDGE.

I know on my touch pro using att 3g over edge. they have 3g where I work, but not at my house. so I always just use wifi at my house, but don't bother at work because the 3g is fast enough. I can definetly tell the difference. granted there is wifi almost everywhere these days, but with my touch pro I have to turn it off and on when I'm using it so my battery half makes through a day. It will be nice if the N1's is more of a automatic thing, if that makes sense. I guess if I knew that t Mobile would actually be implementing 3g in my area at all soon, it would be an easier decision, but I haven't found anything to make me think they'll be adding towers in York, PA any time soon.

Im in Dallas TX and just activated my phone. I was worried because people in some forums where saying phone kept switching to 2g. I just activated my phone and its been on 3 out of 4 bars on 3g last 30-40 minutes...I know this is kind of off topic, but thought it was important do to the nature of all the talk about speed on tmobile.
Ok im scared now, i just looked at the USA map on tmobile https://my.t-mobile.com/Plan/CoverageMap.aspx and looks to hardly be any 3g coverage! What! Tell me it aint so!

that's what I'm saying, I want 3g on this phone, but it's just not in my area on tmobile. we've established it's pretty much going to be impossible to get att's to work on this phone. It doesn't look like tmobile has 3g anywhere, atleast not hardly. what to do, what to do.

dallastx said:
Im in Dallas TX and just activated my phone. I was worried because people in some forums where saying phone kept switching to 2g. I just activated my phone and its been on 3 out of 4 bars on 3g last 30-40 minutes...I know this is kind of off topic, but thought it was important do to the nature of all the talk about speed on tmobile.
Ok im scared now, i just looked at the USA map on tmobile https://my.t-mobile.com/Plan/CoverageMap.aspx and looks to hardly be any 3g coverage! What! Tell me it aint so!
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thats called #4 carrier coverage
as for that map, its ancient... the thing has never worked properly and the maps take forever to load yet i wish i could get a decent detailed coverage map for tmobile somewhere...

hurrycaine3000 said:
I know on my touch pro using att 3g over edge. they have 3g where I work, but not at my house. so I always just use wifi at my house, but don't bother at work because the 3g is fast enough. I can definetly tell the difference. granted there is wifi almost everywhere these days, but with my touch pro I have to turn it off and on when I'm using it so my battery half makes through a day. It will be nice if the N1's is more of a automatic thing, if that makes sense. I guess if I knew that t Mobile would actually be implementing 3g in my area at all soon, it would be an easier decision, but I haven't found anything to make me think they'll be adding towers in York, PA any time soon.
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OMG i live in york to lol. ive asked tmobile many times if we'll ever have 3g and they told me december 09 but that never happened. who knows if we'll ever get it. but edge for me on tmobile works good unless u use media functions like youtube and streaming video but its good for web browsing and email

Make sure T-Mobile has EDGE all around your area because I've found that there are many places that don't even have EDGE on T-Mobile and are GRPS only. That being said, I do find that usually T-Mobile EDGE is faster.... The difference is so small that I wouldn't change networks over it though..

I get around 25KB/s or so, which works fine for streaming music and such. This is quite a bit faster than the AT&T users seem to get here.

Yeah you should be happy with what you've got. EDGE isn't amazing but at least with the 900mhz range you've got coverage. I'm not sure about T-mobile US thought but it has to be better than UK. I live in the UK just outside of town with 3 basestations surrounding my house just out of range with 2100 3g and 1800 2g. I can get signal occasionally with my Iphone 3gs, until I touch it...
The coverage is okish but I get Black-spots everywhere; literally, I can walk round the corner away from a basestation and lose signal. I can only use my phone if I'm underneath a basestation and even then the crappy 4.2Mbit/s (It may even be less than that) limited basestations are overloaded. Each user is then further capped at roughly 1.8Mbit/s
That's 3G and above, which I rarely get as I mentioned. When you get 2G you get EDGE. When I get 2G I don't get EDGE, I don't even get 2.5G, I get slower-than-dial-up GPRS which is unusable. None of T-mo UK's basestations are EDGE enabled; with common black-spots and poor 3G reception, this makes for an appalling network. I can't wait to switch to Three UK. Blanket UK 3g coverage with amazing deals: £15/mo rolling contract with 300 mins, unlimited texts, Unlimited (7.2Mbit/s) data. The only problem is they have shockingly bad phones (no problem for me, or so I thought...)

melterx12 said:
are you crazy? 3G is AT LEAST 10+ times as fast as EDGE.
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That pretty well sums up the problem with TMUS users.
They have no f***ing clue.

Recommended radio for ATT

I have a unlocked tmob hd2, using it on ATT.
I get Edge ( as expected ) but that seems to be very slow....( probably this is the speed of edge)
Is there any specific radio version for using with ATT.
Any user experience is appreciated

I am using the tmobile hd2 on ATT and the speed seems fine to me. I am usually on wifi and really dont take notice of it. then again, how can you test the speed to know that you are getting true EDGE network speeds?
Also, I am using a custom ROM [Manila version touch x-treme 2.30.6.30],
with radio version 2.08.50.08_2
Bytheway, is it even possible to change the radio version? I would think that whats on the tmobile phone is specifically for their network.

bhagiratha said:
Bytheway, is it even possible to change the radio version? I would think that whats on the tmobile phone is specifically for their network.
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Funny thing is my unlocked HD2's radio reception and quality is much better running on ATT compared to when I had the T-Mo sim chip in. I must have some really crappy towers around me or ATT just saturates the area or the radio wasn't tested very well on the T-Mo network. Regardless, this puppy runs great on ATT. ATT Edge is better than T-Mo Edge as well. Go figure.

When i checked the speed 3g vs edge on att its huge
download speed 1574 vs 124
Upload speed 331 vs 19
Edge really feels so slow, especially after used to 3g speeds...
Probably get telstra then
Edit to correct the speed no. s

drgopoos said:
When i checked the speed 3g vs edge on att its huge
Upload speed 1574 vs 124
download speed 331 vs 19
Edge really feels so slow, especially after used to 3g speeds...
Probably get telstra then
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Hmmm, my download speeds on Edge match or slightly exceed your downloads for 3g. My downloads for T-Mo averages less than 100kb. I do get better results not using the ATT proxy though.

dario69 said:
Hmmm, my download speeds on Edge match or slightly exceed your downloads for 3g. My downloads for T-Mo averages less than 100kb. I do get better results not using the ATT proxy though.
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Sorry i got the no. s wrong.. .its the other way round....
I have edited my post

Radios aren't assigned to carriers. What works on T-Mobile will work on ATT. If you are on ATT using an unlocked T-Mo HD2, no matter what radio you use, you will not get 3G - different bands.

Know that very well but was wondering which radio would give the best reception for edge

dkb218 said:
Radios aren't assigned to carriers. What works on T-Mobile will work on ATT. If you are on ATT using an unlocked T-Mo HD2, no matter what radio you use, you will not get 3G - different bands.
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Do they really have a separate hardware for different bands? I doubt it, would be pretty expensive. If it's a software, I guess we can expect somebody to hack it and enable all HSDPA AT&T bands

alexsemi said:
Do they really have a separate hardware for different bands? I doubt it, would be pretty expensive. If it's a software, I guess we can expect somebody to hack it and enable all HSDPA AT&T bands
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It's actually for bands, so yes, there's separate hardware. Carriers do this to help instill customer loyalty and retention, among other things. There simply is no way to "hack it and enable all HSDPA AT&T bands"

SO If I have a TMO HD2 and have AT&T service - If I am a big internet user - I shouldn't bother with this phone? My Fuze will be faster? Or is it worth keeping the HD2 on At&T? I love the phone - the size, the screen, the features - ect... but If it is going to be a slower user experience for data I rather just sell it.

Comp1demon said:
SO If I have a TMO HD2 and have AT&T service - If I am a big internet user - I shouldn't bother with this phone? My Fuze will be faster? Or is it worth keeping the HD2 on At&T? I love the phone - the size, the screen, the features - ect... but If it is going to be a slower user experience for data I rather just sell it.
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It just depends on 1) how available wifi is as an option for you, and 2) if the EDGE speeds (in your area) are acceptable for when you'd have to be on that (no wifi available). My guess is that they probably won't be, especially if by "internet use" you include a lot of webpages, and/or streaming of any kind.

HSDPA? I always have an H on my phone - can the TMO HD2 do HSDPA on AT&T? If so is that different? I know I am a noob when it comes to bands.

Comp1demon said:
HSDPA? I always have an H on my phone - can the TMO HD2 do HSDPA on AT&T? If so is that different? I know I am a noob when it comes to bands.
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No, HSDPA is just a higher-speed 3G spec...it uses the same band ranges as regular 3G, so the same incompatibility still exists between AT&T and Tmo

Going back to the original question.
Is there any users on ATT who find a particular radio more useful than other...
WIth regards to edge reception
Thanks

I used 2.06 2.07, 2.08 with no difference on edge speed, I am in Dallas. However, in some areas I can get 3G, I thought HD2 was not compatible with US 3G frequencies, go figure.

farch said:
I used 2.06 2.07, 2.08 with no difference on edge speed, I am in Dallas. However, in some areas I can get 3G, I thought HD2 was not compatible with US 3G frequencies, go figure.
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That is interesting.
I just unlocked my HD2 but have yet to stick my sim in it - still on my FUZE... Debating on weather to sell it or use it.

I am running TMOUS unlocked HD2 on ATT.
I moved from original TILT and to me EDGE seems way better than 3G on my old TILT. I think it do to the processor speed probably but for me the results are still great.
I can only imagine how TELSTRA version would run on ATT !!!
Anybody know how actually measure the connection speed of my phone?
Thanks

NY_HAMMER said:
I am running TMOUS unlocked HD2 on ATT.
I moved from original TILT and to me EDGE seems way better than 3G on my old TILT. I think it do to the processor speed probably but for me the results are still great.
I can only imagine how TELSTRA version would run on ATT !!!
Anybody know how actually measure the connection speed of my phone?
Thanks
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www.dslreports.com/mspeed
Visit that site from your phone's browsers for a speed test. You'll probably get slightly different results using IE vs Opera, so try it several times to be confident in your results.
Avoid mobilespeedtest.com if you come across that site...their results are inconsistent and unreliable.