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Is there much diff btwn T8585 and T9193

I had the HD and now have the Nexus 1 but cannot resist coming back to my beloved Chefs and Winmo custimizations. I was wondering if anyone can give me insight on if its worth to pay the extra couple hundred dollars for the Telstra version with 3G and if it is a greatly noticeable difference of speed? I surf the web some and like to have 3G just to have it because I know its faster and better than edge but If theres no reason to shovel out the extra couple hundred dollars just to have a lil bit more speed I would go with the T8585. Hope someone can give me an idea if there would be a major difference between the 2 as I would be using it on ATT. Thanks

HTC HD2 T8585 vs. T9193
Thanks for posing the question regarding the differences in the two phones. I have a T9193 that I paid more to obtain due to its AT&T 3G capabilities. Unfortunately, I dont know the answer to that question but would be interested in knowing the opinion of others. The obvious answer is that 3G is faster than the edge technology. I flashed a different ROM to my device and it now displays under phone identity: Model No. HTC HD2 T8585. I am sure that this change in identity does not change the basic mechanics of the phone or its 3G capabilities (at least not that I have noticed). Anyone who has thoughts on this please advise. Thanks

http://pocketnow.com/thought/t-mobile-hd2-vs-htc-hd2-comparison
Some size differences above, which I found interesting. No speed comparisons though

Schooleydoo said:
http://pocketnow.com/thought/t-mobile-hd2-vs-htc-hd2-comparison
Some size differences above, which I found interesting. No speed comparisons though
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The TMobile phone is not the T9193, there is only one difference between the T8585 & T9193 and that's the WCDMA/HSPA bands.

Be sure to check if your area has 850MHz coverage prior to making the purchase. I have the T9193 here in arizona, but all we have is 1900mhz 3G access here. Thankfully, the AT&T reps have gotten word that they will be rolling out 850mhz towers within the next 4 months, but still...it hasn't happened yet.

The 9193 sprinkles fairy dust and has the ability to call upon unicorns, clearly making it superior, in addition to its superior ATT and NextG capabilities.
Edge is a lot slower than HSPA.

Edge only
I live in Idaho, Small town too. We don't have 3g.I've had several nice phones, including htc hd, now hd2. I do all the things with edge, but I realize it's just slower, but I have no complaints. It seems pretty fast because of the processor. I don't travel much,edge works fine where I go.I seem to get wifi connections alot where I hang out?I use youtube, web surf little, skyfire,text, mms,I love it, but, I've never had 3g!! But a matter of a few seconds in my life, doesn't really matter. Just need to decide if those few secs matter to you? Just Quig's opinion,,

Don't know about you guys, but I like the tmo's hd2 keypad (the green and red call and power on/end call buttons) more than the eu version. I wonder why they did that one with a different backlight..

MartinXDA said:
I wonder why they did that one with a different backlight..
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It's probably not a different backlight, it's probably just a different key cover that has a green/red translucent filter on it...

well true...
lquigley said:
I live in Idaho, Small town too. We don't have 3g.I've had several nice phones, including htc hd, now hd2. I do all the things with edge, but I realize it's just slower, but I have no complaints. It seems pretty fast because of the processor. I don't travel much,edge works fine where I go.I seem to get wifi connections alot where I hang out?I use youtube, web surf little, skyfire,text, mms,I love it, but, I've never had 3g!! But a matter of a few seconds in my life, doesn't really matter. Just need to decide if those few secs matter to you? Just Quig's opinion,,
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true but i do a lot of tethering when i travel. without 3g i don't get the live stream that is sometimes important to my work. i just got 8585 and love this phone. but huge disappointment with 3g...

azalex86 said:
Be sure to check if your area has 850MHz coverage prior to making the purchase. I have the T9193 here in arizona, but all we have is 1900mhz 3G access here. Thankfully, the AT&T reps have gotten word that they will be rolling out 850mhz towers within the next 4 months, but still...it hasn't happened yet.
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There's a map for that
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
Delicious 850mhz 3G/HDSPA in both Provo, Utah and North Brunswick, New Jersey
Any new towers will be 850mhz and supposedly they are working to convert some 1900 towers to 850. Not sure how true the last bit is, but the first bit is true.
As for my t9193, it is just as good as a t8585 just with ATT 3G. No difference mate, no worries on roms or SPL.
(Although, the current release of hardspl did not program the Telstra MID into the list, so it wont let you flash it yet, but it should work!)

Anyone ? currently on Tmobile with a HD2 getting 3G? or Edge?

I'm wondering if there is anyone that has an HD2 that is on Tmobile.
What data, EDGE or 3G, are you getting.
I understand Tmobile uses 1700 & 2100, and that there are other treads that have said the current version available are not suppost to work on Tmobile.
If there is someone!
If you would please, I would like to know what some of you registry keys contain for what ever service you get. Please specify.
These are the keys I'm asking about
HKLM\Software\OEM\PhoneSetting\BandType
ItemName1
ItemName2
ItemName3
ItemName4

I'm currently using a HD2 test phone for Tmobile in the US (it has a splash screen when it boots up. You know... "Stick Together").
It does work with 3g and EDGE. I'm scared to flash a new ROM because I'm not sure I'll continue to get 3g. But in answer to your registry questions... Here is what is in my reg:
ItemName1 = Auto
ItemName2 = GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
ItemName3 = GSM(1900+850)
ItemName4 = UMTS(2100+900)
theisdept I'm curious if this helps you. please let me know.
And if anyone knows if I can keep 3g in the US on Tmo with a cooked ROM, let me know. Should I look for a ROM that won't change my Radio?

3G is hardware related. So if you change roms, it won't affect your 3g connectivity. I wasn't even aware any versions of the HD2 worked on T-Mobile's 3g network yet. You are one lucky man! I can't wait to get my hands on the hd2

I'm always confused about this.
Is the HD2 in Edge mode when you see the H in the bar?
Also. Is Edge faster or slower than 3G?

Fuse8499 said:
3G is hardware related. So if you change roms, it won't affect your 3g connectivity. I wasn't even aware any versions of the HD2 worked on T-Mobile's 3g network yet. You are one lucky man! I can't wait to get my hands on the hd2
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Thanks for the advice.
I do consider myself lucky. I just know someone who knows someone... I heard the Tmous version will have more ram when it is released (rumor = march 24th). It is a sweet device already.

htc-hd2 said:
I'm always confused about this.
Is the HD2 in Edge mode when you see the H in the bar?
Also. Is Edge faster or slower than 3G?
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normally you'll see edge when a phone is on edge and 3g when a phone is on 3g not sure about on the hD2 or other phones.
thats just my experience with the g1 and mytouch
and 3g > Edge

H > 3g > e > g

mazzarin said:
H > 3g > e > g
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Even more confused now...
So.. Is H the fastest, or G ?

I got 3G on ATT in some areas in dallas

htc-hd2 said:
Even more confused now...
So.. Is H the fastest, or G ?
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H = HSPA = 3.5G (fastest, this is a bolt-on to 3G. Your voice is '3G', your data is '3.5G')
3G = UMTS = 3G
E = EDGE = 2.5G (Bolt-on to G. Your voice is '2G', your data is '2.5G')
G = GPRS = 2G (slowest)

If you see H then it is in hsdpa - 7.2mbps. I have seen this.
If you see 3 then it is in 3G I presume - 384kbps. I have not seen this icon personally yet as 3G always turns to H when i try to get data.
E for edge - 128kbps or so. quite slow but ok for email. I have seen this.
Gsm - xxx??? dunno, but slow - I have seen this as G.
The phone stays in 3G mode until data is needed then it flicks into H mode.

pokeycd said:
I'm currently using a HD2 test phone for Tmobile in the US (it has a splash screen when it boots up. You know... "Stick Together").
It does work with 3g and EDGE. I'm scared to flash a new ROM because I'm not sure I'll continue to get 3g. But in answer to your registry questions... Here is what is in my reg:
ItemName1 = Auto
ItemName2 = GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
ItemName3 = GSM(1900+850)
ItemName4 = UMTS(2100+900)
theisdept I'm curious if this helps you. please let me know.
And if anyone knows if I can keep 3g in the US on Tmo with a cooked ROM, let me know. Should I look for a ROM that won't change my Radio?
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Why is there no 1700 (aws) band listed in your registry as this is needed for Tmous. Not saying you are lying, but I'd like to see some speedtest results while you are on Tmo 3g.

Thank you mazzarin and chris_ah1,
All is clear to me now. When I use network access (exept wifi) it will alway go from 3G to H, and when done back to 3G

reocej said:
Why is there no 1700 (aws) band listed in your registry as this is needed for Tmous. Not saying you are lying, but I'd like to see some speedtest results while you are on Tmo 3g.
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I don't know why there's no 1700. This isn't a european phone. It's a test phone for Tmobile USA. I know someone who works at HTC in America. They let me use it. It doesn't have the official release rom. I've even flashed a custom rom, and it still has 3g. The speedtest below is actually with my laptop tethered via USB cord to my HD2. If anyone wants 3g with their HD2, I'd suggest waiting until Tmobile USA releases it, as I gather that it is entirely hardware related. I also heard from Tmobile tech support that the US version will have more RAM. I don't know if the Tech was referring to the 576MB ram that we can all get right now with the latest Radio (2.08.50.08_2)
Here's the speed test results:
EDIT: I've seen a spec sheet on the web for the Tmous version. It is claiming 576MB of RAM, which is already available on most units (my test phone included). But according to the leaked spec sheet, the ROM is doubling to 1GB for the Tmobile versions. We'll have to wait and see if this is true.

Why is my internet running so slow?

I just bought a data plan a couple of days ago and when i try and use the internet it is terribly slow, it took four minutes to load a Google search which is pathetic, On my old iphone i got about 60-90 kbps and i thought my nexus could easily beat that. btw I am on at&t edge using the stock radio, should i call at&t and ask if they can fix anything or do you guys know anything that could help? Thanks

Wait so are you using ATT or T-Mobile? If you have ATT did you buy the ATT version of the Nexus or the Tmobile one?

I am using at&t but have the t-mobile version...wouldn't that only effect 3g?

austin8868 said:
I am using at&t but have the t-mobile version...wouldn't that only effect 3g?
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Yes, you are correct.
You answered your own question. You've got yourself a crippled Tmobile N1 if you're running it on ATT, especially if you want 3g internet.

erikikaz said:
Yes, you are correct.
You answered your own question. You've got yourself a crippled Tmobile N1 if you're running it on ATT, especially if you want 3g internet.
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I do not have 3g where i live yet so that doesn't bother me. Since the phone is made for t-mobile will it also effect the edge service?

You should be pulling better edge speeds if you're in a good reception area. I would install a different radio.

if it's syncing over edge at the same time you're trying to surf, you throughput will suffer greatly... especially on edge.

whodatfever said:
You should be pulling better edge speeds if you're in a good reception area. I would install a different radio.[/
yeah i have perfect reception. I have never flashed a radio so i am not sure on some of this stuff, I am running the desire rom, can i download cyanogen or emothers radio and flash it or are those only build for their rom?
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4G data?

I’ve heard that it may be possible to Mod the HD2 to run on T-mobiles 4G network. Anyone know if this is true, or if it’s even possible? I’ve tried searching the forum and haven’t found anything on this topic.

yes it is. certain roms support the hspa bands for tmobile you just need to look them up. and btw its not REALLY 4g..... but its fast and has good coverage

no it can not..... t-mo "4g" is HSPA+ ...so the radio in the HD2 is only a HSPA...but it does benefit from the HSPA+ because there is a speed increase but just not 4g speeds.
correct me if I'm wrong

Cool, I’ll try and find a Android ROM that supports hspa, Thank you for the Info and reply’s. Any recommendations?

Robert916 said:
Cool, I’ll try and find a Android ROM that supports hspa, Thank you for the Info and reply’s. Any recommendations?
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jdms 1.61 lightning speed rom market download 3+ faster than others on tmous

U guys are talking about the Tmobile HD2 right? Not the international or non US HTC hd2?
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

casemandan said:
jdms 1.61 lightning speed rom market download 3+ faster than others on tmous
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Ill try it out. Thank you.

The radio inside the HD2 is only capable to support HSDPA up to 7.2Mb/s.
HSPA+ Is what T-mobile calls "4G" It really has a theoretical speed of 21Mb/s a second, meaning that phones with HSPA+ Capable radios are seeing a roughly 10Mb/s on average. You're mileage may vary depending on how close you are to a cell tower.
HSPA+ Also has the benefit of providing more Infrastructure behind it to support the growing network. Meaning that the old HSPDA network will have more resources to tap out at its 7.2Mb/s ceiling.
In plain English your seeing more of that speed then if T-Mobile never upgraded, think of it as a speed increase for the price of nothing.
TL;DR
HSPA+ Provides more bandwith to HSPDA, making your phone have faster 3g speeds. Its not 4G.
P.S. Nothing is 4G yet, Not even the LTE that Verizon is offering. Its all a marketing gimmick.

[Q] Can I get 3G+ on ATT Focus?

I've done the whole diagnosis tweaking (release 6) and pretty much all of the other tweaks I've found in these very helpful threads.
But my download and upload speeds are atrocious. 80-150 kbs mostly. I ALWAYS have a 3g signal. I'm located in Boston and before this I had a Tilt2, which data speeds avg. 2000 - 3500 kbs.
Could it be my sim card? it is like 3-4 years old. Just a thought, because really i have no idea.
I am a novice when it comes to this type of tweaking. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thx

The specs indicate that the Focus is only capable of HSPA (HSDPA and HSUPA), not HSPA+.
Michael.

ouch, that hurts....8(
Thanks for the quick reply...much appreciated

But your Focus should still be able to match the speed of your Tilt2 which is HSPA as well (but with HSUPA disabled). The real world experience really depends where you are and how many AT&T customers are on the same tower as you. I routinely get about 100kbps speed (download) on my various 3G smart phones as well here in nation's capital.
On the other hand, a lot of ppl who bought the new '4G' HSPA+ AT&T phones (Inspire 4G and Atrix 4G) are also rarely ever get HSPA+ speed at all. Those so called 4G phones also comes with HSUPA disabled.
So, in the end, it is the same crappy AT&T network that limits your connection speed, really doesn't matter what phone you have. I'll be happy if I can reach the full 3G speed (2 to 3 mbps down, 1mbps up) in next few years. And refuse to play the AT&T '4G' game.

You should get a new sim card considering it is 3-4 years old that will affect connectivity to 3g and hspa network..
Boston network shouldn't be a problem.
Samsung Focus At&t USA

I had the same problem when I had an old SIM card in my att fuze when trying to connect to 3g and hspa speed networks...rule of thumb is buy a new SIM when switching to a new phone....it also depends on what network your on...are you at&t?
Samsung Focus At&t USA

Yes, I am currently on Att network. Which I must say was really reliable and fast, up until the last few months...
And I will get a new sim card after work today or early tomorrow. I will let you know if that helps at all.
Thanks peeps 8)

Jcavz said:
I've done the whole diagnosis tweaking (release 6) and pretty much all of the other tweaks I've found in these very helpful threads.
But my download and upload speeds are atrocious. 80-150 kbs mostly. I ALWAYS have a 3g signal. I'm located in Boston and before this I had a Tilt2, which data speeds avg. 2000 - 3500 kbs.
Could it be my sim card? it is like 3-4 years old. Just a thought, because really i have no idea.
I am a novice when it comes to this type of tweaking. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thx
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Samsung Focus unlocked I get 3G+ in EU, if that helps. Seemed pretty fast, but I haven't done a speed test, though.

Usually I unlock my phone as soon as I get it home. With a bunch of unknowns with the Focus, I'm waiting it out right now before I do anything
So My phone is still locked 8)
Thanks for the help

I got 3G+ icoon with Rogers ROM, but not with AT&T ROM. And there's tool which can enable 3G+ icon, so I think it's just a registry issue.

3g+
I also get 3G+ with a Rogers sim card in my Focus, same card in the BB only 3G.

Is it possible to check whether this is just graphic, or there is a real difference in d/u speeds? I am using AT&T Focus in Europe.

You can check real speed with speediest.net to differentiate whether its gfx only or real network.

rrmcco said:
I also get 3G+ with a Rogers sim card in my Focus, same card in the BB only 3G.
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I'd love to hear what results you get if you test out the download/upload speeds. Like others have said you can use speedtest.net or there's a pretty good app called Bandwidth that I use.
Sent from my SGH-i917 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

I'm getting a Focus and will unlock it to use on T-Mobile. What's the highest speed I can get? Thanks.

ikingblack said:
I'm getting a Focus and will unlock it to use on T-Mobile. What's the highest speed I can get? Thanks.
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7.2 mbps download

siralex241 said:
7.2 mbps download
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tmobile's edge network is that fast?

minori_aoi said:
I got 3G+ icoon with Rogers ROM, but not with AT&T ROM. And there's tool which can enable 3G+ icon, so I think it's just a registry issue.
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Do you have a link to the tool that enables the 3G+ icon

baritoneguy said:
Do you have a link to the tool that enables the 3G+ icon
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minori_aoi said:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Connectivity\CellularUx\DataConnectionIcon
1XHSDPA = "3G+"
You can basically change it into anything (3 chars max.). And I prefer "H", instead of "3G+".
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