I’ve heard that it may be possible to Mod the HD2 to run on T-mobiles 4G network. Anyone know if this is true, or if it’s even possible? I’ve tried searching the forum and haven’t found anything on this topic.
yes it is. certain roms support the hspa bands for tmobile you just need to look them up. and btw its not REALLY 4g..... but its fast and has good coverage
no it can not..... t-mo "4g" is HSPA+ ...so the radio in the HD2 is only a HSPA...but it does benefit from the HSPA+ because there is a speed increase but just not 4g speeds.
correct me if I'm wrong
Cool, I’ll try and find a Android ROM that supports hspa, Thank you for the Info and reply’s. Any recommendations?
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Cool, I’ll try and find a Android ROM that supports hspa, Thank you for the Info and reply’s. Any recommendations?
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jdms 1.61 lightning speed rom market download 3+ faster than others on tmous
U guys are talking about the Tmobile HD2 right? Not the international or non US HTC hd2?
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Ill try it out. Thank you.
The radio inside the HD2 is only capable to support HSDPA up to 7.2Mb/s.
HSPA+ Is what T-mobile calls "4G" It really has a theoretical speed of 21Mb/s a second, meaning that phones with HSPA+ Capable radios are seeing a roughly 10Mb/s on average. You're mileage may vary depending on how close you are to a cell tower.
HSPA+ Also has the benefit of providing more Infrastructure behind it to support the growing network. Meaning that the old HSPDA network will have more resources to tap out at its 7.2Mb/s ceiling.
In plain English your seeing more of that speed then if T-Mobile never upgraded, think of it as a speed increase for the price of nothing.
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HSPA+ Provides more bandwith to HSPDA, making your phone have faster 3g speeds. Its not 4G.
P.S. Nothing is 4G yet, Not even the LTE that Verizon is offering. Its all a marketing gimmick.
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I have a unlocked tmob hd2, using it on ATT.
I get Edge ( as expected ) but that seems to be very slow....( probably this is the speed of edge)
Is there any specific radio version for using with ATT.
Any user experience is appreciated
I am using the tmobile hd2 on ATT and the speed seems fine to me. I am usually on wifi and really dont take notice of it. then again, how can you test the speed to know that you are getting true EDGE network speeds?
Also, I am using a custom ROM [Manila version touch x-treme 2.30.6.30],
with radio version 2.08.50.08_2
Bytheway, is it even possible to change the radio version? I would think that whats on the tmobile phone is specifically for their network.
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Bytheway, is it even possible to change the radio version? I would think that whats on the tmobile phone is specifically for their network.
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Funny thing is my unlocked HD2's radio reception and quality is much better running on ATT compared to when I had the T-Mo sim chip in. I must have some really crappy towers around me or ATT just saturates the area or the radio wasn't tested very well on the T-Mo network. Regardless, this puppy runs great on ATT. ATT Edge is better than T-Mo Edge as well. Go figure.
When i checked the speed 3g vs edge on att its huge
download speed 1574 vs 124
Upload speed 331 vs 19
Edge really feels so slow, especially after used to 3g speeds...
Probably get telstra then
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drgopoos said:
When i checked the speed 3g vs edge on att its huge
Upload speed 1574 vs 124
download speed 331 vs 19
Edge really feels so slow, especially after used to 3g speeds...
Probably get telstra then
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Hmmm, my download speeds on Edge match or slightly exceed your downloads for 3g. My downloads for T-Mo averages less than 100kb. I do get better results not using the ATT proxy though.
dario69 said:
Hmmm, my download speeds on Edge match or slightly exceed your downloads for 3g. My downloads for T-Mo averages less than 100kb. I do get better results not using the ATT proxy though.
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Sorry i got the no. s wrong.. .its the other way round....
I have edited my post
Radios aren't assigned to carriers. What works on T-Mobile will work on ATT. If you are on ATT using an unlocked T-Mo HD2, no matter what radio you use, you will not get 3G - different bands.
Know that very well but was wondering which radio would give the best reception for edge
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Radios aren't assigned to carriers. What works on T-Mobile will work on ATT. If you are on ATT using an unlocked T-Mo HD2, no matter what radio you use, you will not get 3G - different bands.
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Do they really have a separate hardware for different bands? I doubt it, would be pretty expensive. If it's a software, I guess we can expect somebody to hack it and enable all HSDPA AT&T bands
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Do they really have a separate hardware for different bands? I doubt it, would be pretty expensive. If it's a software, I guess we can expect somebody to hack it and enable all HSDPA AT&T bands
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It's actually for bands, so yes, there's separate hardware. Carriers do this to help instill customer loyalty and retention, among other things. There simply is no way to "hack it and enable all HSDPA AT&T bands"
SO If I have a TMO HD2 and have AT&T service - If I am a big internet user - I shouldn't bother with this phone? My Fuze will be faster? Or is it worth keeping the HD2 on At&T? I love the phone - the size, the screen, the features - ect... but If it is going to be a slower user experience for data I rather just sell it.
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SO If I have a TMO HD2 and have AT&T service - If I am a big internet user - I shouldn't bother with this phone? My Fuze will be faster? Or is it worth keeping the HD2 on At&T? I love the phone - the size, the screen, the features - ect... but If it is going to be a slower user experience for data I rather just sell it.
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It just depends on 1) how available wifi is as an option for you, and 2) if the EDGE speeds (in your area) are acceptable for when you'd have to be on that (no wifi available). My guess is that they probably won't be, especially if by "internet use" you include a lot of webpages, and/or streaming of any kind.
HSDPA? I always have an H on my phone - can the TMO HD2 do HSDPA on AT&T? If so is that different? I know I am a noob when it comes to bands.
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HSDPA? I always have an H on my phone - can the TMO HD2 do HSDPA on AT&T? If so is that different? I know I am a noob when it comes to bands.
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No, HSDPA is just a higher-speed 3G spec...it uses the same band ranges as regular 3G, so the same incompatibility still exists between AT&T and Tmo
Going back to the original question.
Is there any users on ATT who find a particular radio more useful than other...
WIth regards to edge reception
Thanks
I used 2.06 2.07, 2.08 with no difference on edge speed, I am in Dallas. However, in some areas I can get 3G, I thought HD2 was not compatible with US 3G frequencies, go figure.
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I used 2.06 2.07, 2.08 with no difference on edge speed, I am in Dallas. However, in some areas I can get 3G, I thought HD2 was not compatible with US 3G frequencies, go figure.
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That is interesting.
I just unlocked my HD2 but have yet to stick my sim in it - still on my FUZE... Debating on weather to sell it or use it.
I am running TMOUS unlocked HD2 on ATT.
I moved from original TILT and to me EDGE seems way better than 3G on my old TILT. I think it do to the processor speed probably but for me the results are still great.
I can only imagine how TELSTRA version would run on ATT !!!
Anybody know how actually measure the connection speed of my phone?
Thanks
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I am running TMOUS unlocked HD2 on ATT.
I moved from original TILT and to me EDGE seems way better than 3G on my old TILT. I think it do to the processor speed probably but for me the results are still great.
I can only imagine how TELSTRA version would run on ATT !!!
Anybody know how actually measure the connection speed of my phone?
Thanks
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www.dslreports.com/mspeed
Visit that site from your phone's browsers for a speed test. You'll probably get slightly different results using IE vs Opera, so try it several times to be confident in your results.
Avoid mobilespeedtest.com if you come across that site...their results are inconsistent and unreliable.
He everyone.
I just read that T-Mobile US now has 4G "HSPA+ Coverage" available in the new G2 being released later this month.
I'm not very knowledgeable in this but I thought it would be super amazing if we could be able to somehow tap into 4G with our Leo/Hd2 through the amazing stuff all you Developers and other do here.
What do you think?
Without 4G hardwrare capable, nobody can do nothing about it, but you can replace 3G icon with 4G, that can fools some.
Yep, it's all in the hardware, so 4G will never happen on the HD2.
T-Mobile is not offering real 4G. So some handsets hat have HSPA already have HSPA+ support. see this link:
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Cover...obile-Now-Broadly-Available-in-the/m-p/378994
But htere is still no list of actual compatible phones.
It is also being discussed in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=679752
You have full HSPA (HSDPA and HSUPA) on the HD2:
Up to 7.2 Mbps download speed
Up to 2 Mbps upload speed
You won't get more than that. I don't know about the US but here in France we're just starting to have 3.6 - 7.2 HSDPA bearers activated on some SIM cards and HSUPA 2Mbps is limited also to some expensive plans.
So I'd say the HD2 is still more advanced than the networks it uses here.
If T-MO really has HSPA+, then be happy, at least you're going to have a network that lets you finally use your HD2 to the best of its capacity. And trust me, plain HSPA like what is in the HD2 is already really fast ! Better than DSL broadband in some cases...
edit: the "4G" term as used nowadays is bull**** marketing, as the 2.75G, 3G, 3.5,G, 3G+... this is all to lure ignorant people into thinking you got something better than the competitors and it's just plain ridiculous
Actual testing of your network availability, responsiveness, RTT, throughput: that is the way to go !
Your device is not the bottleneck now, and my guess is it won't be for the next 2 years.
I've been noticing on liberated aria roms that instead of 3G, it is reporting data as being HSPA. I was curious as to the authenticity of this.
On liberated aria, speedtest.net reports I am getting about 4mb/s for downloads in H area. I was wondering if anyone with an aria reporting 3g would be willing to run a speedtest to see if they get the same results?
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I've been noticing on liberated aria roms that instead of 3G, it is reporting data as being HSPA. I was curious as to the authenticity of this.
On liberated aria, speedtest.net reports I am getting about 4mb/s for downloads in H area. I was wondering if anyone with an aria reporting 3g would be willing to run a speedtest to see if they get the same results?
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HSPA is the same as 3G on AT&T. HSPA is the technology AT&T uses for their 3G, and for some reason on the Froyo ROMs, it shows up with an H.
People have told me that its the same but when I speedtest my 3g and hspa the 3g is a little less for me. Like one time I had 3.87mb on 3g and when I flashed the hspa Rom it came up with 4mb.
I always throught the OEM rom had 3G (3.6mbit), while CM6 and perhaps the modified liberated roms had unlocked 3.5G (7.2mbit).
NO^^^ the speeds you experience on both roms are the exact same... who ever created the rom just decided to replace the 3G symbol with an H!
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NO^^^ the speeds you experience on both roms are the exact same... who ever created the rom just decided to replace the 3G symbol with an H!
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Any proof to back it up?
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Any proof to back it up?
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Yeah I dunno if I'd necessarily believe that. I notice when I do speedtests the HSPA is a bit faster, or at least thats what the speedtest app says. You notice it more on uploads, than downloads.
I believe the correct abbreviation is "HSDPA", or no?
Per:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_aria-3392.php
The difference is that the ROMs with 'H' has HSUPA (faster uploads) turned on and the stock AT&T with '3G' does not. Category 5 HSUPA to be exact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Uplink_Packet_Access
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I believe the correct abbreviation is "HSDPA", or no?
Per:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_aria-3392.php
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The technology is HSPA, HSDPA is the download speed, HSUPA is the upload speed, that is why you see the 2 different mnemonics used interchangeably.
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The difference is that the ROMs with 'H' has HSUPA (faster uploads) turned on and the stock AT&T with '3G' does not. Category 5 HSUPA to be exact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Uplink_Packet_Access
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This at least goes along with what I've noticed.
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I always throught the OEM rom had 3G (3.6mbit), while CM6 and perhaps the modified liberated roms had unlocked 3.5G (7.2mbit).
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I always assumed the same thing(never did any research to actually confirm). But from a practical point of view, I never noticed a significant speed increase when switching from stock to CM6.
You are all wrong. Att roms are compiled to use the 3g icon. When compiling roms/or using overseas roms its usually compiled to use the HSDPA icon. Its a known fact. HSPA and HSDPA are two totally different things. Proof to back it up? Its a build flag when compiling roms. You can also.check in settings->phone status. They both say hsdpa. So both roms get the exact same speed. Just use different icons. The speed changes you may notice are just placebo. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yeah I have had no speed increase from 3g to h...both pretty much same using 3g speed tester
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Yeah I have had no speed increase from 3g to h...both pretty much same using 3g speed tester
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same here, I do multiple speed tests a week, difference is minimal
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HSPA is the same as 3G on AT&T. HSPA is the technology AT&T uses for their 3G, and for some reason on the Froyo ROMs, it shows up with an H.
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No it's not. HSPA is not the same as 3g - it is faster, and yes, ATT has had HSPA for quite a while.
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No it's not. HSPA is not the same as 3g - it is faster, and yes, ATT has had HSPA for quite a while.
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Right - case in point - I had another unlocked phone (SE K850i) in late 2008, which typically read '3G' throughout the SF Bay Area, but I noticed it turned to 'H' when I traveled to Seattle at the time.
Tethered to a laptop, I got (roughly, from memory)
H 1.5MB down 700K up
3G 1.1MB down 144K up
Sometime in spring of 2009 ATT upgraded their network in the SF Bay area to HSPDA from the former UMTS (3G) network. The phone then read H thereafter and got similar speeds to what I'd seen on my trip in Seattle.
So, the older 3G network was UMTS, not HSPA. It's possible ATT still has some UMTS / 3G networks laying around elsewhere in the country, but I haven't seen '3G' on any of my phones that make the distinction recently in the SF Bay area, they're either on Edge or HSPA these days.
What's really funny is that, with all the current 4G marketing blitz, ATT probably missed out calling their HSPA network something better than 3G very early on, but instead just dumbed down their phones to all read 3G...perhaps to hide the extra time it took them to roll out HSPA...perhaps to avoid questions from thousands of people that would call in wondering why their phones didn't say 3G.
Anyhow right - Edge (2.5G) < UMTS (3G) < HSPA (3.5G)
Do we have to upgrade our phones to a 4g phone if we want hspa+?
I ask, because t-mobile customers seems to have 4g speeds on their n1s.
No, it doesnt have the necessary radio inside it to do hspa +. T-mobile nexus cant do hspa +. You still might see a speed boost though.
I get 5.2mbps on my Nexus One in Canada. This is still 3G.
T-mobile customers have just experienced a placebo effect (or T-Mobile simutaneously updated both HSPA and HSPA+)
That sounds nice... maybe us att users will at least get a speed boost
You will benefit form HSPA+ on a non HSPA+ device because the backend is upgraded as well.
You're limit is your hardware. The radio on the phone can only get up to 7.2, so you'll benefit from HSPA+ all the way to 7.2.
You hit the nail on the head. With T-Mobile in a very strong HSPA+ area and my N1 is getting DL speeds over 6.5MB, my UL speeds are a very solid 1.5MB. I bought the MyTouch 4G and my speeds are on average 9 to 11 MB on DL and the same UL 1.5MB. I still find myself using my N1, with those DL speeds the N1 is a bad ass phone. Nothing feels as good as the N1 in your hand, maybe it's just me.
PS I still want a Tegra powered device, those phones look hot.
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You will benefit form HSPA+ on a non HSPA+ device because the backend is upgraded as well.
You're limit is your hardware. The radio on the phone can only get up to 7.2, so you'll benefit from HSPA+ all the way to 7.2.
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Great info, I learn something everyday on here.
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I've done the whole diagnosis tweaking (release 6) and pretty much all of the other tweaks I've found in these very helpful threads.
But my download and upload speeds are atrocious. 80-150 kbs mostly. I ALWAYS have a 3g signal. I'm located in Boston and before this I had a Tilt2, which data speeds avg. 2000 - 3500 kbs.
Could it be my sim card? it is like 3-4 years old. Just a thought, because really i have no idea.
I am a novice when it comes to this type of tweaking. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thx
The specs indicate that the Focus is only capable of HSPA (HSDPA and HSUPA), not HSPA+.
Michael.
ouch, that hurts....8(
Thanks for the quick reply...much appreciated
But your Focus should still be able to match the speed of your Tilt2 which is HSPA as well (but with HSUPA disabled). The real world experience really depends where you are and how many AT&T customers are on the same tower as you. I routinely get about 100kbps speed (download) on my various 3G smart phones as well here in nation's capital.
On the other hand, a lot of ppl who bought the new '4G' HSPA+ AT&T phones (Inspire 4G and Atrix 4G) are also rarely ever get HSPA+ speed at all. Those so called 4G phones also comes with HSUPA disabled.
So, in the end, it is the same crappy AT&T network that limits your connection speed, really doesn't matter what phone you have. I'll be happy if I can reach the full 3G speed (2 to 3 mbps down, 1mbps up) in next few years. And refuse to play the AT&T '4G' game.
You should get a new sim card considering it is 3-4 years old that will affect connectivity to 3g and hspa network..
Boston network shouldn't be a problem.
Samsung Focus At&t USA
I had the same problem when I had an old SIM card in my att fuze when trying to connect to 3g and hspa speed networks...rule of thumb is buy a new SIM when switching to a new phone....it also depends on what network your on...are you at&t?
Samsung Focus At&t USA
Yes, I am currently on Att network. Which I must say was really reliable and fast, up until the last few months...
And I will get a new sim card after work today or early tomorrow. I will let you know if that helps at all.
Thanks peeps 8)
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I've done the whole diagnosis tweaking (release 6) and pretty much all of the other tweaks I've found in these very helpful threads.
But my download and upload speeds are atrocious. 80-150 kbs mostly. I ALWAYS have a 3g signal. I'm located in Boston and before this I had a Tilt2, which data speeds avg. 2000 - 3500 kbs.
Could it be my sim card? it is like 3-4 years old. Just a thought, because really i have no idea.
I am a novice when it comes to this type of tweaking. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thx
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Samsung Focus unlocked I get 3G+ in EU, if that helps. Seemed pretty fast, but I haven't done a speed test, though.
Usually I unlock my phone as soon as I get it home. With a bunch of unknowns with the Focus, I'm waiting it out right now before I do anything
So My phone is still locked 8)
Thanks for the help
I got 3G+ icoon with Rogers ROM, but not with AT&T ROM. And there's tool which can enable 3G+ icon, so I think it's just a registry issue.
3g+
I also get 3G+ with a Rogers sim card in my Focus, same card in the BB only 3G.
Is it possible to check whether this is just graphic, or there is a real difference in d/u speeds? I am using AT&T Focus in Europe.
You can check real speed with speediest.net to differentiate whether its gfx only or real network.
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I also get 3G+ with a Rogers sim card in my Focus, same card in the BB only 3G.
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I'd love to hear what results you get if you test out the download/upload speeds. Like others have said you can use speedtest.net or there's a pretty good app called Bandwidth that I use.
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I'm getting a Focus and will unlock it to use on T-Mobile. What's the highest speed I can get? Thanks.
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I'm getting a Focus and will unlock it to use on T-Mobile. What's the highest speed I can get? Thanks.
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7.2 mbps download
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7.2 mbps download
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tmobile's edge network is that fast?
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I got 3G+ icoon with Rogers ROM, but not with AT&T ROM. And there's tool which can enable 3G+ icon, so I think it's just a registry issue.
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Do you have a link to the tool that enables the 3G+ icon
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Do you have a link to the tool that enables the 3G+ icon
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HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Connectivity\CellularUx\DataConnectionIcon
1XHSDPA = "3G+"
You can basically change it into anything (3 chars max.). And I prefer "H", instead of "3G+".
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