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T-Mobile to have 3G by Summer

Well, according to Boy Genius Report T-mobile will be rolling out their 3G network by summer 2008 which is long overdue. What I'm curious about is how this will affect current users and rates. Will I have to buy a new phone or will my wing be able to use the new 3G network? Will the data rates go up or change from unlimited? Anybody heard any information on this?

Their 3G system is still GSM compatible, so having a wing is still ok. But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)
As far as rates go: I dunno.
I'll just be glad when they stop messing around with the towers and service here.

will this affect the sucky EDGE??...
will they finish before AT&T?!
will it mean more stability in the connections??
will living near an airport mean you'll still get knocked off when a plane flies overhead??
who knows!.. but we will definitely find out sooner or later, right?

ivanmmj said:
Their 3G system is still GSM compatible, so having a wing is still ok. But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)
As far as rates go: I dunno.
I'll just be glad when they stop messing around with the towers and service here.
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Awesome! Hopefully I'll be able to stream some decent videos and data on my wing once 3G comes around! Edge sucks when it comes to that. Appriciate the info!

But I thought the Wing is not 3G capable.

it would only make sense that the 2g network and equipment will still work until everyone has slowly migrated over to the new 3g network and the first phones would work on both networks.

ivanmmj said:
.... But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)....
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I wanted the Tilt so damn bad I was almost willing to switch providers, but when I found out I could get a Wing for 79 bucks I stuck with T-Mo, thinking I'd wait ANOTHER year for them to roll out 3g. I would just have to buy a Kaiser if they came out with one that wasn't hobbled. (Can't someone put a 624mhz processor, and a decent amount of RAM in one of these? Is that too much to ask?)
Ya' know, maybe I should rethink that. I used a Psion 5 for years before switching to an iPAQ 2215, then a 2755-- all the while thinking: "Man, if I could get a keyboard, phone and Pocket PC rolled into one, that would be the best!"
I've had a Wing for a couple of months and I don't honestly recall one time that I've used the keyboard. Of course, it's keyboard is a piece of junk compared to the Psion 5's, but using the iPAQ's for so long conditioned me into a stylus typist.
I really have high hopes for Firefox portable on 3g though. This summer?--- well, I guess we've all heard that before!

I have heard different things, i surfed the net and these forums and i still get different things. all i wanna know is, is the wing compatible with the new 3G network coming out this summer?

No.
it will connect to the available compatible frequency. The expected 3/3.5G network will operate at a different frequency that the wing's radio doesn't connect to.
unless the newer radio roms somehow added that connection to that frequency... then no.

mv3 said:
No.
it will connect to the available compatible frequency. The expected 3/3.5G network will operate at a different frequency that the wing's radio doesn't connect to.
unless the newer radio roms somehow added that connection to that frequency... then no.
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haha.. F*** it then.. Bye Bye Wing.. and Hello Kaiser.. Well i hope Tmobile gets the TyTn 2.. ill be set with that..

cangri87 said:
haha.. F*** it then.. Bye Bye Wing.. and Hello Kaiser.. Well i hope Tmobile gets the TyTn 2.. ill be set with that..
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By the time T-mobile has their 3/3.5G..3.5+??.. network up and running smoothly.. HTC might well have a better and much sexier phone than the TyTn II....and from what I could tell the MDA Vario III is higher model of it than the original :O..unlike the Tilt which is a lower model but has this 1 advantage over it's big brother.. hope T-Mobile doesnt water down the Vario III before it gets over here, or should I say if?...and a maybe $300-$500 price tag for Vario III(via upgrade or contract and if they wait long enough it might be running a stock full, stable WinMobile 6.1 rather than buggy leaked one)versus $800+ for Kaiser? not to mention the still unsolved video drivers travesty with it :'(... new Touch Cruise and the P6500(Sedna) are pretty freaking sweet even compared to HTC's flagship TyTn II.
I actually love my phone enough that I might wait till next year for a phone with stock WinMobile 7 and all the freaky powers, motion sensor technology, and processors that phones running it are going to need. Those r going to make my Wing look like Razr! :'( I'll miss you Wing...btw, the TyTn II/Kaiser won't be able to run a lot of the previewed Windows Mobile 7 features either.

T-Mobiles 3G is slated to be substantially faster than AT&T's.
No one knows for sure if current 3G phones will work, but I have a Hermes and I'm being locked out of my internet in South Florida due to 3G testing, so i'm assuming it will work when it's released since I'm hitting a firewall right now.
A t-mobile rep on that board said they are going to have new pricing, so it's most likely going to be more expensive.

Questions...
I wonder if the prices for the unlimited data plans will change for people who are already in contracts. I'm paying an extra $19.99/month for the Total Internet add-on right now. Guess I'll just have to wait and see...

The Wing has 3G just not the one that we think is compatible to the new network right?

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No one knows for sure if current 3G phones will work
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Ummm, isnt Tmo's 3G supposed to be on the 1700 MHz band? That means the tilt etc wont work........

I'm hearing mixed things from everyone. I hope the wing will work but no one knows for sure.

Wing To Shift
im gonna change to the shift soon and hopefully i dont have problems with service

A T-Mobile wing is not a 3G phone so drop it and get a 3G phone

Thinking of getting the touch dual (bestbuy)

Im tinking of getting the touch dual from best buy hear in the states. I noticed it have a front camera on it. I asked the people in the store if they know if the phone is 3g but they alll wear not 100% sure.
I tryed to look up the spec on their website but it dont say anything about haveing 3g support.
So why would it have a front camera if the phone is not 3g can anyone clear this up for me please. I would like to know befor I purchase the phone.

yes, this phone is 3g.

But will it support the tmobile 3g network hear in the US

If you got the us version, wich has the usb connector on the bottom, yes
else, I dont know

I have the Touch Dual from Best Buy in the states. U.S t-mobile has 3g but only in certain spots. I've talked to t-mobile, they said before long they should have 3g everywhere. I love this phone WARNING: Most of roms on XDA are for the Touch Dual Niki. The Duals from Best Buy are the Touch Dual Neon. There are some Neon roms, but few. Seems the neon doesn't get much love Sidenote, this is money well spent Awesome phone.

I agree...
This phone is indeed pretty awesome. I've had mine about a month now and it's been working pretty well. Other than the phone locking up a few times and some minor issues like that, it's been great. I use AT&T and the 3G thing really depends on your service provider. If they support it in the specific area, then you're good to go. As stated above... money well spent...

No 3G in the USA with the HD?!

Hey guys looking into purchasing an HD. Was reading this review, http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=1111&p=4 , and it says that there is no 3G available for the USA. It's in the last paragraph named PURCHASING and it's also under the CONS section.
Is this true?

Unfortunately, NO USA 3G is correct...only EDGE. For more info, there are already a number of threads about this.

galaxys said:
Unfortunately, NO USA 3G is correct...only EDGE. For more info, there are already a number of threads about this.
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Tried doing a search, but didn't find anything. I guess I wasn't using the right keywords.
Are there any developments with this? Like is there going to be a later version with 3g capability?
Because of this, I'm going to have to look for another phone.

No further developments or announcements yet...maybe after the New Year we'll hear something.
Here's one of the threads: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450670

you should be fine with edge. enough to push email and light browsing. 3g just means more battery drainage imo. plus the pricy data package. I mean if your really need 3g, I'd rather get it for a notebook, then you would have full potential. Most of the locations have wifi now a days so hopefully 3g won't be your downfall on not getting the phone.

EkS said:
Hey guys looking into purchasing an HD. Was reading this review, http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=1111&p=4 , and it says that there is no 3G available for the USA. It's in the last paragraph named PURCHASING and it's also under the CONS section.
Is this true?
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Very true but I've been using mine on AT&T's edge network and performance is not bad... there is wifi at both home and work so in those enviroments really fast... 3G would be nice but at the end of the day not a real deal breaker -- for me at least

I agree, Edge is also fine with me and worth it just to have all the other functionality of this great device!

galaxys said:
I agree, Edge is also fine with me and worth it just to have all the other functionality of this great device!
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Does one need a 3G (fast) network in order to have GPS or mapping capabilities in the US?
I'm seriously thinking about getting this phone, but I really won't be able to use it to its full extent until April, 2009. I'm currently in the middle east and will be moving back to the states next year.

galaxys said:
No further developments or announcements yet...maybe after the New Year we'll hear something.
Here's one of the threads: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450670
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Thank you!
Cheeze[iT] said:
you should be fine with edge. enough to push email and light browsing. 3g just means more battery drainage imo. plus the pricy data package. I mean if your really need 3g, I'd rather get it for a notebook, then you would have full potential. Most of the locations have wifi now a days so hopefully 3g won't be your downfall on not getting the phone.
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galaxys said:
I agree, Edge is also fine with me and worth it just to have all the other functionality of this great device!
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I won't be getting it because there is no 3G. I use it to tether with my notebook when nothing else is available, and most of the time I have 3G service. I do pay for the expensive data plan. I thought I had found my next phone, but I guess not.

Another US user on the AT&T network here. I, too, "downgraded" from a 3G phone. I haven't regretted it.
I did a couple of speed test comparisons between my old phone on 3G and the Touch HD on EDGE. I found that the bandwidth test results showed my 3G phone to have around four times the bandwidth that the Touch HD has on EDGE.
However, the real difference is much less than that suggests. For most online activities, unless you're dealing with the download of large files, most of the time is spent during connection overheads and latencies. In practice, I find that the difference in speed is less than a factor of two. That is easily worth the additional capabilities of the Touch HD.
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Does one need a 3G (fast) network in order to have GPS or mapping capabilities in the US?
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No.
Even the Google Maps location feature based on cell-tower triangulations works fine on the Touch HD in the US using the EDGE network (at least here in the San Francisco Bay Area).

guney said:
Another US user on the AT&T network here. I, too, "downgraded" from a 3G phone. I haven't regretted it.
I did a couple of speed test comparisons between my old phone on 3G and the Touch HD on EDGE. I found that the bandwidth test results showed my 3G phone to have around four times the bandwidth that the Touch HD has on EDGE.
However, the real difference is much less than that suggests. For most online activities, unless you're dealing with the download of large files, most of the time is spent during connection overheads and latencies. In practice, I find that the difference in speed is less than a factor of two. That is easily worth the additional capabilities of the Touch HD.
No.
Even the Google Maps location feature based on cell-tower triangulations works fine on the Touch HD in the US using the EDGE network (at least here in the San Francisco Bay Area).
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Thanks.
One more noob question: does a (an expensive) data plan usually have to be purchased to activate google maps? I'd probably only be using google maps and light browsing on my phone. Approx how much would I be looking at concerning monthly cost?

Yes, you'll need a data plan for google maps as each map has to be downloaded for each new GPS location. The "all you can drink" data plan for AT&T is about $30 a month.
I actually miss the 3G on my Kaiser and its a bit embarassing trying to show an iPhone user something web related on your HD at Edge speed.

Is there much diff btwn T8585 and T9193

I had the HD and now have the Nexus 1 but cannot resist coming back to my beloved Chefs and Winmo custimizations. I was wondering if anyone can give me insight on if its worth to pay the extra couple hundred dollars for the Telstra version with 3G and if it is a greatly noticeable difference of speed? I surf the web some and like to have 3G just to have it because I know its faster and better than edge but If theres no reason to shovel out the extra couple hundred dollars just to have a lil bit more speed I would go with the T8585. Hope someone can give me an idea if there would be a major difference between the 2 as I would be using it on ATT. Thanks

HTC HD2 T8585 vs. T9193
Thanks for posing the question regarding the differences in the two phones. I have a T9193 that I paid more to obtain due to its AT&T 3G capabilities. Unfortunately, I dont know the answer to that question but would be interested in knowing the opinion of others. The obvious answer is that 3G is faster than the edge technology. I flashed a different ROM to my device and it now displays under phone identity: Model No. HTC HD2 T8585. I am sure that this change in identity does not change the basic mechanics of the phone or its 3G capabilities (at least not that I have noticed). Anyone who has thoughts on this please advise. Thanks

http://pocketnow.com/thought/t-mobile-hd2-vs-htc-hd2-comparison
Some size differences above, which I found interesting. No speed comparisons though

Schooleydoo said:
http://pocketnow.com/thought/t-mobile-hd2-vs-htc-hd2-comparison
Some size differences above, which I found interesting. No speed comparisons though
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The TMobile phone is not the T9193, there is only one difference between the T8585 & T9193 and that's the WCDMA/HSPA bands.

Be sure to check if your area has 850MHz coverage prior to making the purchase. I have the T9193 here in arizona, but all we have is 1900mhz 3G access here. Thankfully, the AT&T reps have gotten word that they will be rolling out 850mhz towers within the next 4 months, but still...it hasn't happened yet.

The 9193 sprinkles fairy dust and has the ability to call upon unicorns, clearly making it superior, in addition to its superior ATT and NextG capabilities.
Edge is a lot slower than HSPA.

Edge only
I live in Idaho, Small town too. We don't have 3g.I've had several nice phones, including htc hd, now hd2. I do all the things with edge, but I realize it's just slower, but I have no complaints. It seems pretty fast because of the processor. I don't travel much,edge works fine where I go.I seem to get wifi connections alot where I hang out?I use youtube, web surf little, skyfire,text, mms,I love it, but, I've never had 3g!! But a matter of a few seconds in my life, doesn't really matter. Just need to decide if those few secs matter to you? Just Quig's opinion,,

Don't know about you guys, but I like the tmo's hd2 keypad (the green and red call and power on/end call buttons) more than the eu version. I wonder why they did that one with a different backlight..

MartinXDA said:
I wonder why they did that one with a different backlight..
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It's probably not a different backlight, it's probably just a different key cover that has a green/red translucent filter on it...

well true...
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I live in Idaho, Small town too. We don't have 3g.I've had several nice phones, including htc hd, now hd2. I do all the things with edge, but I realize it's just slower, but I have no complaints. It seems pretty fast because of the processor. I don't travel much,edge works fine where I go.I seem to get wifi connections alot where I hang out?I use youtube, web surf little, skyfire,text, mms,I love it, but, I've never had 3g!! But a matter of a few seconds in my life, doesn't really matter. Just need to decide if those few secs matter to you? Just Quig's opinion,,
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true but i do a lot of tethering when i travel. without 3g i don't get the live stream that is sometimes important to my work. i just got 8585 and love this phone. but huge disappointment with 3g...

azalex86 said:
Be sure to check if your area has 850MHz coverage prior to making the purchase. I have the T9193 here in arizona, but all we have is 1900mhz 3G access here. Thankfully, the AT&T reps have gotten word that they will be rolling out 850mhz towers within the next 4 months, but still...it hasn't happened yet.
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There's a map for that
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
Delicious 850mhz 3G/HDSPA in both Provo, Utah and North Brunswick, New Jersey
Any new towers will be 850mhz and supposedly they are working to convert some 1900 towers to 850. Not sure how true the last bit is, but the first bit is true.
As for my t9193, it is just as good as a t8585 just with ATT 3G. No difference mate, no worries on roms or SPL.
(Although, the current release of hardspl did not program the Telstra MID into the list, so it wont let you flash it yet, but it should work!)

Incredible - Is it worth it?

Hey guys,
I have kind of a unique situation...
I do a lot of International travel for work - as such I currently have a VzW TP2. About a week ago the screen "shattered" (beneath the surface - phone still works fine). Looking at VzWs International Phones, I am disgusted by my options...
They can get me a replacement TP2, but then I will be locked into 2 years (work policy) with an already out-dated hardware phone (love the phone - but even with the Overclock now...a 3mp camera w/o flash...etc...it is out-dated). Of course they offered me an Imagio and or the LG Fathom. None of these phones make me excited about having it for 2 more years.
I really want either an Incredible or an X (too bad they arent International)...I was sort of leaning toward the Incredible since I like HTC and from what I understand they use the same battery...so just assuming the Incredibles battery life is better? Plus the X doesnt have a flash does it?
Anyway... to my question.
What I was thinking about doing - was getting an Incredible or an X - using that Domestically and then before I travel, de-program it (*228 ???) and program my cracked up TP2 and use that overseas, and when I come back de-program the TP2 and re-program the Incredible/X.
I travel about 1-3 weeks per trip, and usually about 6-8 trips per year.
The crappy part is I use my TP2 to watch movies on the plane from time to time...so if I use the cracked TP2 when traveling...I will be watching movies on a busted up screen...which sounds crappy but I REALLY want an Incredible or an X.
So - those of you that have the Incredible - and hopefully some of you were former TP2 users - would the above scenario be worth it to you? Or would you just get a replacement TP2 (my current TP2 is OC'ed stable at 729mhz - runs very smooth, but was never happy with the camera. only way to get a "decent" picture is to take the cover off before you take the picture) ???
The other option I may have is switching to AT&T and getting the Captivate...but not a huge fan of going to AT&T.
Sorry for the long post - looking forward to hear what you all have to say.

Sounds like a pretty good plan, sorry about ur broke screen. couldn't u use incredible on the plane though? Airplane mode with WiFi on?
Is for activating and deactivating I couldn't tell u, sorry.
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tcberg2010 said:
Sounds like a pretty good plan, sorry about ur broke screen. couldn't u use incredible on the plane though? Airplane mode with WiFi on?
Is for activating and deactivating I couldn't tell u, sorry.
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yeah i could - just dont really care to have to carry 2 phones around =)
i travel pretty light (one to the big things i loved about getting my tp2 - stopped taking a phone, camera, ipod and went to just the TP2).
VzWs International phone selection is horrible right now...(not that it was ever great).

I personally love the DInc. I came from the samsung intensity(lol) to lg dare, to droid eris, to the DInc.
such a great phone you wont be dissappointed

I came from a Touch Pro 2 same as you, I loved my TP2. As far as an International phone It's pretty hard to beat.
That being said, aside from the International aspect there is no comparison.
It did take me a while to get used to not having a keyboard but the benefits of the Incredible make it well worth it.
Get the Incredibe, you won't regret it.
Also, you might look into getting a replacement screen for your TP2.
gadget!
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ditto on coming from the TP2
The incredible is a definite upgrade. but if you have time to wait for a new phone........ wait
Samsung Galaxy S (Verizon will call it Samsung Fascinate)
will possibly be available next month for 200 with contract. Better GPU, Process, Screen Size, Screen Quailty, Battery life..

theoneownz said:
ditto on coming from the TP2
The incredible is a definite upgrade. but if you have time to wait for a new phone........ wait
Samsung Galaxy S (Verizon will call it Samsung Fascinate)
will possibly be available next month for 200 with contract. Better GPU, Process, Screen Size, Screen Quailty, Battery life..
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do you know if it will be a global phone ???
from what i have found looks like no (CDMA only) ???

You could also pick up a used storm or tp2 for a few bucks and get the dinc for day to day. Tp2 would probably be a better choice since the batteries are interchangable. Seen them all over cl for cheap.
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CDMA actually has a pretty fair international penetration. The GSM folks would have you believe that you can barely travel outside the USA and still use CDMA. Nothing could be further from the truth, and GSM is no panacea either. It has the same differing frequency issues as CDMA does.
Here's an interactive map of CDMA areas worldwide so you can check if where you tend to travel has CDMA coverage. http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp
You can also check with Verizon to see what countries they have CDMA roaming capability in.
If there is CDMA in the area you travel, get the Incredible.
Update: VZW has a very inexpensive dual CDMA/GSM phone, the Escapade, that is well reviewed. It isn't fancy, but it will keep you in touch.
http://shop.verizonwireless.com/?id...dorid=ONLINEMEDIA&index.html&cid=BAC-prodrsch
http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones...8.html?tag=rb_content;contentMain#reviewPage1

Just curious... why do u not want the fathom? Its running a snapdragon 1GHz processor - I have one and I love it, everything runs really smoothly.
Not trying to start a debate or anything... like I siad - I'm just curious.

da_reeseboy said:
Just curious... why do u not want the fathom? Its running a snapdragon 1GHz processor - I have one and I love it, everything runs really smoothly.
Not trying to start a debate or anything... like I siad - I'm just curious.
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3.2MP camera, maybe it is better than the 3.2MP camera on the TP2 - but I dont want to bother. I'd like a GOOD camera and would prefer a flash if possible...

timehunter said:
CDMA actually has a pretty fair international penetration. The GSM folks would have you believe that you can barely travel outside the USA and still use CDMA. Nothing could be further from the truth, and GSM is no panacea either. It has the same differing frequency issues as CDMA does.
Here's an interactive map of CDMA areas worldwide so you can check if where you tend to travel has CDMA coverage. http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp
You can also check with Verizon to see what countries they have CDMA roaming capability in.
If there is CDMA in the area you travel, get the Incredible.
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thanks for the website. looks like some of the areas i travel are OK but my most frequent (Europe) has very limited if any CDMA capability.
anyone know if it is possible to do the de-program, program using *228 w/ 2 phones ???

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3.2MP camera, maybe it is better than the 3.2MP camera on the TP2 - but I dont want to bother. I'd like a GOOD camera and would prefer a flash if possible...
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That makes sense... Thanks for the reply.