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I have a 8525 that is 14 months old and has been working wonderfully all this time. A few days ago it started to shut itself off at no repeatable times. I pull it out and it is off! I try to load something and it shuts down instead. Today I did a total wipe and reinstalled from a back up. The same problem occurred. I wiped it again and installed a 2 month old backup and the same thing occurred. I have changed the battery. The memory is fine. The only thing that I have not tried is a wipe and a reinstall from scratch, but obviously would prefer not to do that.
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Check to see if your battery connection isn't lose. If the power keeps shutting off for no reason in your pocket it could be that its not making proper connection. If you bought another battery that wasn't a HTC original then it may not be Quite the right size. I had this problem with an extended battery I bought. It was about 1/2mm less width than an original but that was enough to be a problem. A piece of paper between the battery and the casing fixed this.
Cheers...
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Thanks, but the battery is not the problem as the spare battery is one that I have been using for 6 months and the other one that I tried is the factory battery. Unfortunately, it is more serious than this.
I'm having similar problems with my Hermes...and I bought it ~14months ago too, refurbished, it's a Voda v1605, uk ebay seller.
Actually mine stays powered most of the time and it's not a SW problem: I'm trying various ROMs and I'm 100% sure the problem is HW-based.
Well it's much I have this prob and don't have any warranty, so I opened it and tried to "manually" solve this matter: I put a page between my qwerty and the motherboard, and this, together with some paper under the battery, solved the problem at most.
Now it switches off less frequently, but still not enough to safely bring it in my pocket and always find it switched on after taking it off
I tried to get it repaired but they told me they'd change the motherboard for +/- the price of a "as-new" 2nd hand one
I hope you solve, but if you don't....then I think we have to sell it "as-damaged" (or return it in warranty if you have)...I'm actually looking for a Diamond or TyTn II (see hard choice... thread ) and leave this dear mate
what i was afraid of
This is what I was afraid of. No warranty here so have been thinking of moving to the Tilt, but I am leaving town in a day and have no time to get and set it up.
Its also possible if you dropped your Hermes you may have cracked or bent the battery connectors.... May need to be fixed with soldering iron but is a pain if you can't solder really tiny joints...
Cheers...
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Its also possible if you dropped your Hermes you may have cracked or bent the battery connectors.... May need to be fixed with soldering iron but is a pain if you can't solder really tiny joints...
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I'm ready to go, I want my Hermes back
Can you point me to some photos to understand where to solder the connectors better?
I mean, I've already seen them (so many times hehe), I also have that cool yellow gauge that could be useful to understand if they don't "touch" correctly, but I'm not sure I understood where are the soldering points
A photo with some arrow could be useful (or something similar lol).
Many thanks for your help mate!
The best idea would be to go Here - http://michael-channon.spaces.live.com/
Mikes site offers the best tutorials for the Hermes, and, if you need to you can pm him directly.
Cheers...
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The best idea would be to go Here - http://michael-channon.spaces.live.com/
Mikes site offers the best tutorials for the Hermes, and, if you need to you can pm him directly.
Cheers...
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What a lovable guy! So available, so kind, cool!
Guys, just to let you all be near me...with my hearth that cries at every Hermes black screen...I've opened it again, did some tweaks - again - and did a complete photo-report and a short video too!
See here
http://s403.photobucket.com/albums/pp120/ErMejoo/My%20v1605%20opened/?albumview=slideshow and for the video choose "Main" on the top corner.
I'm looking forward to the next Mike answer (just sent him the link too) to see if he thinks detaching and soldering again the battery connectors can be the right next choice.
If someone has some ideas or if I have a great one (don't think so but the hope never fades away) or simply for kind words, let's write here.
Thanks to everyone giving support, I really appreciate.
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What a lovable guy! So available, so kind, cool!
Guys, just to let you all be near me...with my hearth that cries at every Hermes black screen...I've opened it again, did some tweaks - again - and did a complete photo-report and a short video too!
See here
http://s403.photobucket.com/albums/pp120/ErMejoo/My%20v1605%20opened/?albumview=slideshow and for the video choose "Main" on the top corner.
I'm looking forward to the next Mike answer (just sent him the link too) to see if he thinks detaching and soldering again the battery connectors can be the right next choice.
If someone has some ideas or if I have a great one (don't think so but the hope never fades away) or simply for kind words, let's write here.
Thanks to everyone giving support, I really appreciate.
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Sorry was feeling a bit sick yesterday and didn't reply.
Having looked at the pics an video, I am begining to think one of two things:
1. There may be a crack in one of the battery connector soldered joints
Or
2. This has nothing to do with the battery connector and may have more to do with the general condition of the phone.
Number one could probably only be checked by re-soldering the contacts.
Number two is quite unspecific. You see when I look at the pics and see the gaps in the casing, and some damage to internal plastic, I get the feeling that the circuit boards etc are probably not be firmly held in place. In other words there is likely quite a bit of movement internally and between the two halves of the phone.
This in itself could cause the battery to move around. It could also cause the rigid flex cables to move at their connectors.
I think you need to check each and every connector is well inserted AND try to firm up all the looseness and movement internally and in the casing . I'm not sure that wlll be an easy job given some plastic parts appear broken.
I think it's going to be difficult to give further advice (not being able to see and feel the device directly.)
However, I'll have a look at my Hermes this weekend, and try to establish a link between pressing certain areas of the keyboard and a total shutdown.
Cheers
Mike
Thanks Mike, don't have to apologize, you're offering free help
Anyway, I have the WORST news for you....my Hermes has gone, completely.
After the mail I sent you the other day, don't know why really, perhaps for the spray, I don't know, it didn't switch on again.
When I connect the battery charger it comes red, and if I remember what I read somewhere here red means it doesn't feel the battery at all.
I tried to leave it outdoor these 2 days to see if magically that spray which left a film everywhere would have evaporated but this didn't help.
I'm having a very "rude" welder as I said, it has a cutting tip just to make you understand, anyway I've just toggled the battery conn with it (I had nothing to loose) and I have the 2 centered one which took away a dark "film", and on the motherboard I have the 2 silver connectors on each side, which touch 2-by-2, and the 2 centered one which are completely black...don't know if I damaged something that way...
I think tomorrow I could try to weld 4 wires (what are the centered one for?) and see what happens...what do you think?
I'd like to try everything to even explore the 0,01% possibilities to see it working again...
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Just updated my album on photobucket with the new photos...
After the mail I sent you the other day, don't know why really, perhaps for the spray, I don't know, it didn't switch on again.
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!! What spray? Where did it come from?
When I connect the battery charger it comes red, and if I remember what I read somewhere here red means it doesn't feel the battery at all.
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Yes it means the battery is not charging - which suggests the connector is now disconnected even if it wasn't before.
I'm having a very "rude" welder as I said,.
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Now!, I think something has happened to the translation here!! Does this welder (let's call him Fred) swear at you and call you rude names? And when you say you have had him!!!
Sorry - I have a weird sense of humour.
Anyway. To be honest, given the general condition of the phone and it's various problems - I think you should start looking for a new phone - you will never be able to rely on the one you have there.
You could also consider making a small amount of money ny selling off parts from the one you have. Folk here are always looking for difficult to find parts.
Sorry to be defeatist about the phone, but I think you realise that it's condition is getting worse not better. Assuming money is no problem then it's time to get yourself a present
Mike
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!! What spray? Where did it come from?
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Will do a photo in some minutes and upload to photobucket, think you understood I love doing photos with the daddy's (almost) new HD cam
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Now!, I think something has happened to the translation here!! Does this welder (let's call him Fred) swear at you and call you rude names? And when you say you have had him!!!
Sorry - I have a weird sense of humour.
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Hahahahahahaha ops!! I Said I am an inventive Italian, didn't I?
I've just read some -better?- definition of the "noun" on dictionary.com (All rights reserved bla bla bla) and found:
–verb (used with object)
1.to unite or fuse (as pieces of metal) by hammering, compressing, or the like, esp. after rendering soft or pasty by heat, and sometimes with the addition of fusible material like or unlike the pieces to be united.
2.to bring into complete union, harmony, agreement, etc. –verb (used without object)
3.to undergo welding; be capable of being welded: a metal that welds easily.
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4.a welded junction or joint.
5.the act of welding or the state of being welded.
And also:
Weld"er\, n. One(A PERSON??) who welds, or unites pieces of iron, etc., by welding.
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Mmh I'm quite confused, don't think I understood, wtf does welder mean lol?!
There's also the verb part which seemed correct, isn't it?
Anyway, that's the google translation, knew it was stupid but didn't think that much
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Sorry to be defeatist about the phone, but I think you realise that it's condition is getting worse not better. Assuming money is no problem then it's time to get yourself a present
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Well I will, as soon as I can...currently I can't, that's why yesterday my father wanted to help buying 50% (200€) of a Nokia N95 8gb to let me use it and wait better prices for the HTCs out there...and take the Nokia for himself when I decide (what a profiteer haha!!)...BUT of course the shop finished them ([OT]there's a long story for N95s here, everyone wants it but noone gets! In short, my sister got a new bricked one (DOA) and is waiting for a replacement for 2 months; my dad bought one on ebay and got cheated for 270€...now I damage my phone and want to buy at the shop with him and it ends two days after we had seen it there...if this was a film I'd call it "Nokia N95-8gb: the nightmare"! [/OT])!
Thanks for your help anyway, much appreciated!
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Will do a photo in some minutes and upload to photobucket, think you understood I love doing photos with the daddy's (almost) new HD cam
Hahahahahahaha ops!! I Said I am an inventive Italian, didn't I?
I've just read some -better?- definition of the "noun" on dictionary.com (All rights reserved bla bla bla) and found:
Mmh I'm quite confused, don't think I understood, wtf does welder mean lol?!
There's also the verb part which seemed correct, isn't it?
Anyway, that's the google translation, knew it was stupid but didn't think that much
Well I will, as soon as I can...currently I can't, that's why yesterday my father wanted to help buying 50% (200€) of a Nokia N95 8gb to let me use it and wait better prices for the HTCs out there...and take the Nokia for himself when I decide (what a profiteer haha!!)...BUT of course the shop finished them ([OT]there's a long story for N95s here, everyone wants it but noone gets! In short, my sister got a new bricked one (DOA) and is waiting for a replacement for 2 months; my dad bought one on ebay and got cheated for 270€...now I damage my phone and want to buy at the shop with him and it ends two days after we had seen it there...if this was a film I'd call it "Nokia N95-8gb: the nightmare"! [/OT])!
Thanks for your help anyway, much appreciated!
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Well you have nothing more to lose by continuing to try things out on the Hermes.
A couple of points regarding your pictures. You know you can upload the pictures to photobucket and then using the direct link that photbucket gives you below the picture you can then post the picture on XDA-Dev. You use the little "insert image" icon when writing a post. As shown here:
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I'm not sure what that black film on the central connectors is. Perhaps it's melted plastic from the connector housing. In any case you should be able to melt it off. (Be careful though because excess heat may be transferred into the board and start loosening other connections. The Hermes has a multilayered m/board and some connections are "sandwiched" between the layers).
I see the picture of the spray - I assume it is a metal polish? It may or may not conduct electricity - if it does that could cause serious problems even after it's cleaned off.
Mike
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By the way a welder can be a person who welds or a machine that welds. But you said that it was a rude welder. A machine cannot be rude, so a "rude welder" as you stated, must be a person!!
NB Welding is a term used for joining large pieces of metal. When talking about circuit boards we normally say soldering not welding.
My Italian lessons (thanks to Chiara from Tomtom) are coming along nicely:
Alla fine della strada, girate a sinistra.
(But I don't care I could listen to Chiara's voice all day long)
mikechannon said:
I'm not sure what that black film on the central connectors is. Perhaps it's melted plastic from the connector housing. In any case you should be able to melt it off. (Be careful though because excess heat may be transferred into the board and start loosening other connections. The Hermes has a multilayered m/board and some connections are "sandwiched" between the layers).
I see the picture of the spray - I assume it is a metal polish? It may or may not conduct electricity - if it does that could cause serious problems even after it's cleaned off.
Mike
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By the way a welder can be a person who welds or a machine that welds. But you said that it was a rude welder. A machine cannot be rude, so a "rude welder" as you stated, must be a person!!
NB Welding is a term used for joining large pieces of metal. When talking about circuit boards we normally say soldering not welding.
My Italian lessons (thanks to Chiara from Tomtom) are coming along nicely:
Alla fine della strada, girate a sinistra.
(But I don't care I could listen to Chiara's voice all day long)
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I didn't try to add all them here because, you know, photobucket slideshow is so sexy
Thanks for the lesson I needed, much appreciated
I just realized the "rude" adjective refers to a person, I used it because in Italian saying something/someone is "rude" or "rudimentale" means it/he is simple, old, rudimentary or primitive...and here we use it for both things and people...think you'd say unkind if it was a person.
Speaking of the Hermes, those 2 black ""connectors"" you see on the board in that photo have not something "more" comparing to the others, but something LESS! It's sort of scaring after having read about the layers, because under the gold connectors, after having removed them, I could detach just a sort of LAYER (that's what I meant with film), which btw didn't seem conducting side-by-side
Will update when I have some time to try the cables ""solution""!
p.s. You'd LOVE Selen's sexy sensual voice for TomTom I think...she's (was) an Italian pornostar still well known...See Wiki!!
Did you remove the traces? That's almost what the pics look like. By that I mean the gold under the solder.
in a week I'm gonna be going to a concert. I need to get my phone waterproof prior to the concert. I'm gonna go cheap easy and efficient. my initial idea was use 2 condoms just to prevent liquid from getting in on the phone. then I started to think I'll need the camera to take pictures and video but theres condoms covering the camera and taking away from the clarity. Its there any easy easy way to achieve this.
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Clear unused condoms 'nuff said
lqaddict said:
Clear unused condoms 'nuff said
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'Nuff said.
lqaddict said:
Clear unused condoms 'nuff said
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'Nuff said.
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Kk I'll try that ... Any idea how the touch screen will function
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Kk I'll try that ... Any idea how the touch screen will function
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It likely won't function at all.
YodaEXE said:
It likely won't function at all.
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Damn, this is irritating so theres only a slim chance that the touch screen will function.
Guess I'll just have to experiment
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zip lock baggie?
ironlood said:
Damn, this is irritating so theres only a slim chance that the touch screen will function.
Guess I'll just have to experiment
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It will work if the condom is used.
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It will work if the condom is used.
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Yes! Haha classic
Isnt there lube in most condoms ? Wouldn't that mess up something? It's been a while since I used one,probably explains my three kids existing
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Yes, most do. But, you can get "dry" condoms. Problem with those is that they really aren't clear.
Double seal ziploc bag would do the OP better.
(see, this post/thread has nothing to do with modding...hehe)
Yeah.. I was going to say not go the the ones with lube lol...
That would be funny
A good clean Saran Wrap job may work. Its Cheap to try. Test it out. It may cost you a few feet of clear plastic wrap. a couple layers may do the trick
shrink wrap like you put over your window in the winter time at least those of us who live up north
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Yes, most do. But, you can get "dry" condoms. Problem with those is that they really aren't clear.
Double seal ziploc bag would do the OP better.
(see, this post/thread has nothing to do with modding...hehe)
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Funny but you might have better luck burning the seams closed with a lighter rather than trusting the ziplock itself old school baggie style
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A vacuum sealer (the ones for food)...they heat seal. Or dip it in hot wax. (No seriously...don't do that).
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yeah, shrink wrap would work well. I used to mess with one at my old job, if you find a place that shrink wraps, they might even be nice and just do it for you, I imagine you can still use the touch screen without difficulty too. What on EARTH is intended to happen at this concert? I've been to a few with my vibrant and it was never at any risk of being submerged in water?? Ha
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yeah, shrink wrap would work well. I used to mess with one at my old job, if you find a place that shrink wraps, they might even be nice and just do it for you, I imagine you can still use the touch screen without difficulty too. What on EARTH is intended to happen at this concert? I've been to a few with my vibrant and it was never at any risk of being submerged in water?? Ha
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Possibly underwater symphony?
Anyway I am enjoying this thread better that the ones in WP7 forums moaning about how WP7 is better than Android v1 was LOL
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Funny but you might have better luck burning the seams closed with a lighter rather than trusting the ziplock itself old school baggie style
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Well, sounds like all he wants to do is avoid it getting wet from rain. And it would do the trick. But, these would do it even better. I know for a fact that these work, as I have used them before when kayaking.
I went to the beach today and put my phone in my shoes on some rocks near the water (yes I know, very stupid mistake) . A huge wave came and knocked my shoes along with the phone into the water. My phone was literwlly floating in the water for about 5 seconds. At that point I didn't care about anything else, and ran and scooped it out and ran to dry it with my shirt. I took out the battery, sim and sd card and left it for half an hour. Despite what just happened, it turned on, with still fully functioning touch, no water in the screen, just about everything works, except a major issue of the speakerphone and mic. But i tested it with headphone and hands free and it is working. Other than this issue, which IS a major issue, i am just amazed that it is still functioning 95% properly.
Does anyone know what I could do to fix the speakerphone and mic? Can I fix it myself by opening it up, or should I just send it to Samsung? Would they figure out its water damaged, and not fix it? Or would they fix it, but for a cost?
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Try to put it in to the rice for 20-30 hours
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Yeah I know about this trick. But that's usually if the phone doesnt turn on, or its going haywire which is not the case for me. Would it fix the speakerphone and mic?
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I guess it's kinda late but I would suggest that you keep it off with battery, and sim and sd card out for much more than 30 minutes. Let's say overnight at a dry and warm environment.
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But that's usually if the phone doesnt turn on
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It might help with many things. It helps me with mic and touch on my galaxy s two years ago. Screen was working and buttons too but touch did not respond and speaker was a half silent. After this rice procedure everything was fine.
You can bay Spare parts
I have changed my usb print-port, and i thing you can get trubble with charger, going beeb, beeb. showing your phone is on charger when not. Spare parts are cheap on ebay. I would get
"OEM Charger Port Micro USB Connector Mic Flex Cable Samsung Galaxy Note N7000" and
"Samsung Galaxy Note jack conn. flex with speaker"
You can get both parts for 28 US $. And your Note will be good as new. the usb port contains new mic.
If you are handy the note is a frendly phone to service.
There should be Youtube videos out there by now.
Last year in sommer i have a similar problemm with you. I have let my phone without batterie in my balconie in a shadow place for 2 days after that it works again. Outside temperatur was 30-40 C°. Give it i try if no one else have a better idee
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Try to put it in to the rice for 20-30 hours
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myth..doesnt work... and for those who will disagree...please tell me how the rice cleans the corrosion that occurs when water hits the board when it is on..and i guarantee that happens.... all rice does is get dust in the ports... if it is not touching the liquid then it is not absorbing it any faster than it is already evaporating on its own... a fan will do 100 times better than rice... moving air=faster evaporation. then after its dry it needs to be cleaned and treated so the corrosion does not come back..
it needs to be cleaned and treated by a professional that knows what they are doing and has the right tools and chemicals...
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Yeah I know about this trick. But that's usually if the phone doesnt turn on, or its going haywire which is not the case for me. Would it fix the speakerphone and mic?
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no it wont...
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I guess it's kinda late but I would suggest that you keep it off with battery, and sim and sd card out for much more than 30 minutes. Let's say overnight at a dry and warm environment.
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smart advice
@dr. xp55 pm me and ill help you out getting this working again the proper way...
Thanks guys, I'll try all these ways. Hopefully it will be in working order by the end of the weekend.
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@dr. xp55 pm me and ill help you out getting this working again the proper way...
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Thanks, I've sent you a PM
The rice treatment is not a myth. When treated quick enough (same day, day after tops), the rice absorbs the moisture out of the device, and prevents corrosion from developing. Why does it work better than just leaving the device out in the open? the air around you has moisture, sticking it in rice creates a much dryer environment, so water dry up faster, and moisture get sucked out faster. A fan is moving air, but air with moisture in it. Unless you're in a desert. So, either rice or hair dryer on low heat setting and very carefully.
If it already has corrosion, nothing can really help.
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myth..doesnt work...
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This "myth" helps me to fix my Galaxy S after water.
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The rice treatment is not a myth. When treated quick enough (same day, day after tops), the rice absorbs the moisture out of the device, and prevents corrosion from developing. Why does it work better than just leaving the device out in the open? the air around you has moisture, sticking it in rice creates a much dryer environment, so water dry up faster, and moisture get sucked out faster. A fan is moving air, but air with moisture in it. Unless you're in a desert. So, either rice or hair dryer on low heat setting and very carefully.
If it already has corrosion, nothing can really help.
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is a MYTH and if you would like to argue im glad to in pm... as for the corrosion... if the phone was on when it got wet it has corrosion...100% guarantee so your whole point is moot... and again if the rice isnt touching the liquid it is not absorbing it hence it is evaporating at the same rate bottom line.... and since you want to try to debunk the fan...well the fan creates friction and the friction will promote faster evaporation whether the air has moisture or not... there is a difference between humidity and large areas of liquid... so again rice DOES NOT WORK... i work on these things for a living so i think i may know a thing or two about this...
im trying to help people save their phones so dont think im trying to stop diy... im just trying to show you a better way that actually works and is scientifically proven...
btw how long have you been working on phones??? just curious on your background... and please feel free to keep on using your rice.. even if your phone starts to work again... it wont be long till the corrosion catches up and your phone wont be working... your call because again i dont care what you do... im trying to help others that want help and good advice..not idiots that want to argue...
lastly if it has corrosion..i can make it work again.. i do it daily and make a nice living at it.. so i really dont think you should be giving advice on this since you say there is no hope if there is corrosion... sorry but it is what it is..
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This "myth" helps me to fix my Galaxy S after water.
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im sure it did... and i hope it makes you feel better believing that it did.... taking the battery out and letting it dry on its own would have done the same thing... either it didnt get anything wet that was electrical or it is just a matter of time before the corrosion catches up...
again just trying to help and again if you want to argue pm me...
The rice thing does work, although people misunderstand its purpose... It won't do a thing if your phone was damaged. It simply helps to take the water out of phone's chassis etc. - if it already touched the board and damaged the circuits, it won't do anything. Anyway, best to use silica-gel or at least salt crystals as they work ten times more effectively.
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The rice thing does work, although people misunderstand its purpose... It won't do a thing if your phone was damaged. It simply helps to take the water out of phone's chassis etc. - if it already touched the board and damaged the circuits, it won't do anything. Anyway, best to use silica-gel or at least salt crystals as they work ten times more effectively.
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again it does not help... IF THE PHONE WAS ON WHEN IT GOT WET, IT GOT DAMAGED SOMEHOW..THERE WILL BE CORROSION SOMEWHERE... I GUARANTEE IT... if the rice is not touching the liquid then it is not absorbing it... unless you take the whole phone apart and i mean the heat shields and all and then immerse the phone in the rice it is not absorbing... and if you went to all of that trouble then rice is not necessary...
this is to all others who doubt my reasoning... please tell your # of years experience working on phones and your training....
again im not trying to argue im trying to help you save your phones when they get wet and for them to still be working a year or so later...
i prove it daily when customers bring in their phones to my shop in bags of rice that have been in there for weeks and still nothing... i do my method and they work... proof enough for me and my customers...
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again it does not help
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It does help
kawgirlval69 said:
again it does not help... IF THE PHONE WAS ON WHEN IT GOT WET, IT GOT DAMAGED SOMEHOW..THERE WILL BE CORROSION SOMEWHERE... I GUARANTEE IT... if the rice is not touching the liquid then it is not absorbing it... unless you take the whole phone apart and i mean the heat shields and all and then immerse the phone in the rice it is not absorbing... and if you went to all of that trouble then rice is not necessary...
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Have you even read my post, or just the first sentence ? It doesn't matter if the phone was ON or OFF. If water got through the case and touched the board while the battery was in - it's most likely fried, and even a ton of rice won't help.
If water never touched the board and got only on the case, or between the case, then it might help - not fix the phone, simply absorb the water from the case, so it won't pour on the board.
Anyway, it doesn't matter. Don't put it in rice... putting it in rice is the method for people who don't want to take their phone apart - but know what ? If you wet your phone, your warranty is void anyway, believe me - service will know what happened. Just take your phone apart as soon as possible, let it dry, and pray that water didn't reach the internals...
You probably want to wash the device's internal with really strong alcohol....the salt in the sea water is not good for the device....
I just don't get why the hell are people arguing over this? I don't care if it's a myth or not, if it works for you then good, if not, go find some other way around. Putting each other down won't change anything, neither the facts nor the opinions. Relax guys!?
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Quite right. Kawgirlval - perhaps just saying it once and not being quite so aggressive might get people to listen more. There are ways and ways.....
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ya and i do get that and even state im not looking to argue...
im done here i could care less if people soak it in windex... whatever floats your boats...
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We all value the views of people who know more than us. Just no one likes being lectured. Keep it civil and I'm sure you have a huge amount of experience to offer us all.
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Riding the motorcycle home tonight I got drenched for about 6 miles... normally not an issue and never has affected my phone in my back pocket before... but for some reason tonight was different...
about a mile from my house my music stopped working and didn't think much of it... but when I pulled into the garage and found my s4 was a bit wetter than normal and would not turn on my concerns grew...
Currently have the entire thing apart.. batter... case... even sim and microSD card out... there was not a lot of visible moisture on the inside... but I did find a few drops on the SD card once removed. Also the phone will not indicate a charge by led or on-screen.
I'm letting it dry out as much and as long as I can... other than just waiting it out... any tips somebody can give me? anything phone specific that I could do to help it turn on? (power+vol up+home something?) and is there a wet indicator on the phone some place? above the SD slot there are 2 brass connectors and a bright pink dot in a hole above them... is that anything unusual?
The phone does have liquid detectors. If you tried to turn on the phone you probably fried it. If you didn't turn on the phone yet leave it in ziploc bag with rice for a few days.
Put it in a jar of dry white rice for 24hrs. It will absorb all the mosture .. one of my friends drop his g3 in tolit and he did that ...booted again...trip..
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The phone does have liquid detectors. If you tried to turn on the phone you probably fried it. If you didn't turn on the phone yet leave it in ziploc bag with rice for a few days.
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You beat me to it...damn...
If your daring enough you could try opening the phone and use 99% isopropyl alcohol (technicians alcohol) to clean the parts. Alcohol displaces the water so as you use a small brush (we call thrm acid brushes....not sure what the 'normal' world calls them) use a single ply tissue to absorb the water/alcohol.
Does anybody know where those liquid detectors are? are they visible with the back cover and batter out?
Thanks for all the quick responses... I will try the above and see how it goes... this is my primary way to be contacted and after just a few hours I already feel cut off... its also how I make my money (being on call.... work can't call... I can't make money!) so I'm looking at resurrecting old phones... but I was hoping for a quicker solution... but I'd rather take my time and save my phone... I was hoping the battery went dead... was yelling at me earlier... but obviously not the case.
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Does anybody know where those liquid detectors are? are they visible with the back cover and batter out?
Thanks for all the quick responses... I will try the above and see how it goes... this is my primary way to be contacted and after just a few hours I already feel cut off... its also how I make my money (being on call.... work can't call... I can't make money!) so I'm looking at resurrecting old phones... but I was hoping for a quicker solution... but I'd rather take my time and save my phone... I was hoping the battery went dead... was yelling at me earlier... but obviously not the case.
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There is no quick solution. Keep it in the bag of rice as suggested, and leave it for at least 24 hours and I would even say try to go well beyond that for as long as you can hold out. Gotta make sure as much moisture as possible gets sucked out before trying to turn her over.
(What kind of bike you ride?)
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I had a coworker do this.
put it in a bag with the moisture absorbers, silica gel, he left like over night in a zip lock and in the morning it started working again.
I would do the bag of rice or moisture absorbers as others mentioned. The worst thing you can do when a phone gets wet is plug it in or try to turn it on. It seems you tried both. Hope for the best. Next time, if ever there is one, if you see your phone is wet, quickly dry it up and take it apart as much as you can. Kill any power going to it (ie. remove the battery immediately). Then place it in a bag with rice or other moisture absorbers. I would leave it a day or two. Make sure it's fully dry. If you are brave, take a torx bit to it and open it up. Make sure everything is dry inside. Put it back together once it's dry and try to power it on. Most cases this will work. I hope it works for you. Sadly it's on the heels of the leaked image of the waterproof S4.
2007 zx-10r... wasn't quick enough tonight I suppose... doh!
my other phones I never tossed out are no help... the sim card won't fit... keep looking... keeps me from messing with my phone too much!
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2007 zx-10r... wasn't quick enough tonight I suppose... doh!
my other phones I never tossed out are no help... the sim card won't fit... keep looking... keeps me from messing with my phone too much!
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Because the sim is too small? Just line up the gold contacts. I was able to get the microSIM working in my old captivate which takes a standard sized SIM just by carefully lining it up.
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Because the sim is too small? Just line up the gold contacts. I was able to get the microSIM working in my old captivate which takes a standard sized SIM just by carefully lining it up.
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Could also go to a local AT&T store and have them swap you to a full-sized SIM for a few days, if they're willing to work with you. Some reseller stores (non-corporate) may charge a nominal fee for the card. Keep in mind that once they deactivate a SIM card, it's toast.
But as the others have said, electricity to a wet device is typically fatal, so keep the battery and charger out as long as you can. As for the red/pink indicator: your warranty is now void. I've heard of ways to "bleach" the indicator, but I'd imagine that might be against XDA rules to even speak about. Also, check out some of the disassembly vids out there, they may be helpful in getting the water out or finding more indicators. *shrug*
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Does anybody know where those liquid detectors are? are they visible with the back cover and batter out?
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See that pink dot? That means the phone got wet... it should be white.
Trust me, I know. I dunked a brand new 32gb S4 into the pool on the day it was released and had to buy a brand new one at full price later the same day. Most expensive upgrade ever.
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I've heard of ways to "bleach" the indicator, but I'd imagine that might be against XDA rules to even speak about.
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I demand this person gets banned for disclosing the bleach-to-indicator trick that hits Samsung hard on the pocket chipping away at the multi-bil dollar profits. What's next? They will demand an apology for little memory? a recall for easily breakable screens? What a nerve.
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I demand this person gets banned for disclosing the bleach-to-indicator trick that hits Samsung hard on the pocket chipping away at the multi-bil dollar profits. What's next? They will demand an apology for little memory? a recall for easily breakable screens? What a nerve.
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That "trick" is pretty well known by the manufacturers. It may get by people at the store but the phone sent back to Samsung can be checked with Orthotolidine and show evidence of chlorine from residual sodium hypochlorite it will be billed to the original customer. Since it's obvious fraud further (legal) action may be taken so be warned before trying these "tricks".
according to the tmobile site, there should be a sticker somewhere in the back of the phone, and red/pink means water, white means normal
XxSHaDoWxSLaYeRxX said:
according to the tmobile site, there should be a sticker somewhere in the back of the phone, and red/pink means water, white means normal
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no offense, but for future reference, keep a ziplock in your jacket. or two.
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no offense, but for future reference, keep a ziplock in your jacket. or two.
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LOL
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Slade8525 said:
no offense, but for future reference, keep a ziplock in your jacket. or two.
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XxSHaDoWxSLaYeRxX said:
LOL
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Actually, not a LOL at all (well maybe a chuckle), but it is a well known practice to avid motorcyclists to keep a few Ziploc baggies with them for such uses. I use to ride with a regular Garmin GPS mounted on my bars (before Smart phone days) and a Ziploc baggy saved it many times...and still let me use it at the same time. They save wallets, phones, and anything electronic small enough to fit in them.
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Im super bummed. I dropped mine in the toilet about 6 hours ago. I was half asleep so all I did was put it in rice. I started googling and saw to turn it off an take the battery out. I just tried to turn it on and all it does is pulsate. I have a bad feeling I ruined my phone......and no insurance
After getting it wet, drying in rice for a week and replacing the battery my S7 edge flashes the 8 primary colors at me. Still won't charge, doesn't post.
Any clue to what the screen is trying to tell me?
Distressed and out of searches
Rice is useless...
It's still wet... or permanently damaged.
Pull battery asap.
Flush copiously with anhydrous isopropyl alcohol (min 93%) in a dry environment. Get as much as the alcohol to drain off as possible.
Use best judgement as to getting alcohol in between the display and glass; avoid doing this.
Place in warm (80-100F) dry room with a fan on it for at least 3 days.
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Rice is useless...
It's still wet... or permanently damaged.
Pull battery asap.
Flush copiously with anhydrous isopropyl alcohol (min 93%) in a dry environment. Get as much as the alcohol to drain off as possible.
Use best judgement as to getting alcohol in between the display and glass; avoid doing this.
Place in warm (80-100F) dry room with a fan on it for at least 3 days.
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Thank-you, I'll get on that today. Have you seen the screen message b4?
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Thank-you, I'll get on that today. Have you seen the screen message b4?
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No idea of what b4 is.
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No idea of what b4 is.
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Old geek way of saying "before" (b4).
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Old geek way of saying "before" (b4).
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Lol, acronyms my arch nemesis
Done think it's a message per se but an error.
Probably a test pattern built in to the firmware diagnostics.
I get it. I was thinking something along those lines too. I just don't know how to search for something of that nature, so I figured there would be a few guys on this site that get down into the weeds and may have seen it.
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I get it. I was thinking something along those lines too. I just don't know how to search for something of that nature, so I figured there would be a few guys on this site that get down into the weeds and may have seen it.
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I don't think it's an error message but rather a random error... which is worse.
The Samsung site forum members might have more insight.