Database Users

Disadvantages of rooting?

Hi there, I'm no new to development, but haven't played with a phone in a while.
Can someone please tell me what the disadvantages of rooting the Nexus 6p are?
My plan is to get root access only to use specific apps (eg greenify) but not to install a new ROM, i.e. I'll stay with stock.
Does this affect:
-Applicability of OTA updates from Google
-ability to use the fingerprint reader
-warranty claims
-speed/stability of the device?
Thanks in advance!

qwertyuiop89 said:
Hi there, I'm no new to development, but haven't played with a phone in a while.
Can someone please tell me what the disadvantages of rooting the Nexus 6p are?
My plan is to get root access only to use specific apps (eg greenify) but not to install a new ROM, i.e. I'll stay with stock.
Does this affect:
-Applicability of OTA updates from Google
-ability to use the fingerprint reader
-warranty claims
-speed/stability of the device?
Thanks in advance!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
-OTA are not possible when rooted. You have to flash back stock boot.img and recovery.img to accept an OTA.
-It does not interfere with Nexus Imprint (Fingerprint reader.)
-Does not affect speed or stability
-Warranty is not affected because you can flash stock imgs and relock bootloader.

You can take OTA's if you do the systemless-root. I believe you would have to flash the recovery back to stock, though.

I think you have to flash boot as well since it's modified.

the biggest disadvantage is your device become instantly awesome, so if you are used to being annoyed about the stock OS missing features this is hard to deal with
But honestly the best thing about owning a nexus is you can root and easily go back to stock if you change your mind. The flash images are also easily available for updates (even before the OTA is out). So play with it, and worst case you can always restore back to stock.

currently my only disadvantage to me is loosing android pay...
yea i know i can make it work if i delete /su/xbin... but i feel like its there for a reason and i shouldnt be deleting it.

chaco81 said:
currently my only disadvantage to me is loosing android pay...
yea i know i can make it work if i delete /su/xbin... but i feel like its there for a reason and i shouldnt be deleting it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Supersu 2.61 does systemless root ootb. No need to delete anything. Systemless root will just work and Android Pay will just work.

83097markcynt said:
Supersu 2.61 does systemless root ootb. No need to delete anything. Systemless root will just work and Android Pay will just work.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i have been using systemless root since v 2.61... im using 2.66 now
and android pay didnt work, and even wont pass safetynet test
delete the /su/xbin folder and it passes safetynet and android pay works...
so yes, for me it sucks that i have delete that to make AP to work... which is why for now i am giving up AP since i dont feel comfortable deleting xbin and breaking stuff

Mine passes safetynet test and is just systemless with nothing deleted. No Android Pay in the UK to test it with though.

Not being awesome.

Not living in the exciting XDA fast lane!

Can I use Xposed with systemless root?

Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!

dimiboy said:
Can I use Xposed with systemless root?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes mate you can works perfectly well
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

qwertyuiop89 said:
Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
lol this seems to happen when you root and install Xposed or pretty much modify anything. Usually I see a decrease in stability and battery life but an increase in performance, and you get to play with new features early.
I'm contemplating rooting just to use the new launcher.

qwertyuiop89 said:
Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You have a couple of things going on.
First root IS as safe as you let it be. If you haven't installed any root applications it should not be any more buggy than stock.
You have installed Xposed. You have not mentioned what modules you have.
I don't have any issues you describe but I don't have a lot of modules installed.
I am stock with Xposed and root.

None
Sent from my angler using XDA Labs

Lenovo TB3-850F root?

Just got this tablet today for around the house use light gaming watching YouTube and reading books on it but i can't find any info on this thing and what I do find is conflicting box says 1.00ghz on the 8inch website says 1.30ghz and a completely different cpu, mines manufacturer date was a month ago so I thought I had the latest model it has android 6.0 on it from the factory
Question is its pretty slow in basic games and Web browsing etc is there any info on rooting this or installing a rom allowing over clocking, I'd like to get the performance up a bit if possible.. I have noticed it cuts all cores off but one during some tasks and makes it come to a stand still almost so if I could root just to stop that I'd be happy

Kingroot, maybe?
https://kingroot.net/
I'd be hesitant, though; since it doesn't seem like there's any TWRP - and you'd def want a backup of the system before you root, or OTAs will be a nope.

kingroot failed, requested root and it shows 1 request so i doubt there is any root available for it right now its too new

alastorx said:
kingroot failed, requested root and it shows 1 request so i doubt there is any root available for it right now its too new
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
boo-urns.

Kingo Root
Have you tried Kingo Root (via kingoapp.com)?
I was able to rooot my TB3-710F (Android 5.0.1 lollipop) with their windows version after a few attempts. Not sure if there was a trick to it or not. Have flashed back to stock and will try again to see if I can repeat.
Android 6.0 probably fixed most known exploits.

gb96.apk said:
Have you tried Kingo Root (via kingoapp.com)?
I was able to rooot my TB3-710F (Android 5.0.1 lollipop) with their windows version after a few attempts. Not sure if there was a trick to it or not. Have flashed back to stock and will try again to see if I can repeat.
Android 6.0 probably fixed most known exploits.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Did u manage to get CWM or TWRP?

I had no problems with kingroot , it work very well and has a nice utility app to remove the bloatware etc. download it from the link in this forum here , because there seem to have many weird places who claim to have the latest and best one.. here is the link in the forum :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/one-click-root-tool-android-2-x-5-0-t3107461

Any news? Does smb succeed with TWRP or root on device?

Hi All,
This is perfect thread, I was trying to find info on this Tablet, and there is hardly anything about it...
Has anyone managed to find / know, or get TWRP or CWM onto this device yet?? I was planning on picking one up tomorrow, but it all depends if there is a Custom Recovery available for it....
I see there is a custom recovery available for last years smaller 7" brother Tablet.... Please, let it be so....
Cheers, Lister

My Lenovo TB3-850F, Android 6.0, failed to root with KingRoot or KingoRoot (tried both the APK and Windows versions). Anyone have any other ideas?

My TB3-850F running 6.0, cant root. I've tried King Root, KingoRoot, and many others but nothing is working. Does anyone know how to fix this?

ManderZarshall said:
My TB3-850F running 6.0, cant root. I've tried King Root, KingoRoot, and many others but nothing is working. Does anyone know how to fix this?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lenovo Tab 3 8/TB3-850F, Android 6..0...Full root with SuperSU 2.79 and TWRP 3.0.2-r1. https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/guide-lenovo-tab3-8-tb3-850f-t3559786

MotoJunkie01 said:
Lenovo Tab 3 8/TB3-850F, Android 6..0...Full root with SuperSU 2.79 and TWRP 3.0.2-r1. https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/guide-lenovo-tab3-8-tb3-850f-t3559786
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Worked great, thank you!

does any 1 know of any custom roms for this tablet ?

darknight83 said:
does any 1 know of any custom roms for this tablet ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
None that I've been able to find. I'm currently compiling a modified, pre-rooted, debloated & deodexed stock 6.0.1 ROM for this tablet

Cool, that would be awesome. Let me know when it's done and I'll test it for you
Thanks

MotoJunkie01 said:
None that I've been able to find. I'm currently compiling a modified, pre-rooted, debloated & deodexed stock 6.0.1 ROM for this tablet
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
On my TB3-850F I notice that Lenovo doesn't really add bloat to begin with. The non-standard apps can simply be uninstalled in the usual way. After years of using Samsung (Note, Note II, Tab 2) this is a refreshing change for me (on Samsung stock ROM the "extra" apps are baked in and can be frozen but not truly uninstalled; OK you can kind of uninstall them with 3C or Titanium but you can't actually reclaim any space so you might as well just freeze them).
Anyway I think a pre-rooted stock ROM is a good idea as there is no Chainfire Auto Root or similar yet and from the other forum posts on this device it's clear that people struggle when using adb and fastboot and TWRP if they are not already familiar with these kinds of tools and environments.

julian67 said:
On my TB3-850F I notice that Lenovo doesn't really add bloat to begin with. The non-standard apps can simply be uninstalled in the usual way. After years of using Samsung (Note, Note II, Tab 2) this is a refreshing change for me (on Samsung stock ROM the "extra" apps are baked in and can be frozen but not truly uninstalled; OK you can kind of uninstall them with 3C or Titanium but you can't actually reclaim any space so you might as well just freeze them).
Anyway I think a pre-rooted stock ROM is a good idea as there is no Chainfire Auto Root or similar yet and from the other forum posts on this device it's clear that people struggle when using adb and fastboot and TWRP if they are not already familiar with these kinds of tools and environments.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lenovo is certainly more sparing on the bloat than manufacturers like Samsung for sure, not to mention all the bloat that comes pre-installed on the bulk of carrier branded devices. There are several Google related applications, however, which are baked in. With deodexing, lib removals, app data and app cache, I have been able to free up nearly 500 MB of space, leaving the end user with a bare bones Google infrastructure -- Google Play Services, Framework, Play Store, etc. More and more Android enthusiasts are becoming focused on privacy, and are steering away from all the Google centered applications.
Yeah on root I'm including a patched boot image for full systemless root support, using @Chainfire's SuperSU v2.79 TWRP flashable zip. I've made a couple of stability tweaks to the TWRP custom recovery already available for this tablet as well.
Oh, keep in mind on this particular MTK Board Platform and partitioning index, the /system image partition is allotted to 3.0GB. With bloat removed and some cleanup, the /system partition can be re-sized to 2.3GB using ext4fs, leaving 700MB to be carried back over to the /data partition.

MotoJunkie01 said:
None that I've been able to find. I'm currently compiling a modified, pre-rooted, debloated & deodexed stock 6.0.1 ROM for this tablet
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Much more info in Lister of Smeg's thread (actually for TB3-850F) re recovery, root, stock ROMs etc, here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/help/lenovo-tab3-8-2016-custom-recovery-t3483454

MotoJunkie01 said:
None that I've been able to find. I'm currently compiling a modified, pre-rooted, debloated & deodexed stock 6.0.1 ROM for this tablet
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You may be interested in this ROM I mentioned in Lister of Smeg's TB3-850F Thread. It's for sister tablet with SIM card, TB3-850M. Fran89 has been working on device tree etc for TB3-850F, but efforts with custom ROM seem to have stalled. PW.
Firmware
Custom ROM - TB3-850M_Corsair_Edition (Android 6.0, odex, root, pure) - for 850M here:
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=764969&st=80 (p5)
Points to:
https://mega.nz/#!y4N2FKBR!eBjDn0l5nfKjTuSO46o3QiKv-Sud4NCoMYUBX7IwOTc
Full link text:
http://4pda.ru/pages/go/?u=https://...fKjTuSO46o3QiKv-Sud4NCoMYUBX7IwOTc&e=56808907
They say not for 850F (p14), but someone may want to try. Be CAREFUL! M Model has different processor.

Rooting Safetynet and Banking apps

Hi,
Phone: Moto G4 Plus(32GB)
TWRP + Magisk + Xposed + Elementalx : Is this a gud idea?
Is Magisk Hide effective enough to use Banking apps in rooted phones?
Whats safetynet exactly. What does it mean that its pass?
Its expected that Moto G4 Plus will get Oreo Update.
Will the Update be available if device is rooted with Magisk?
Is there a blog that any body has used to do this on their Moto G4 plus and has successfully worked with everything working without any issues?
can you give me the link to that step by step blog/forum which you used?
There were too many blogs/forums about this and there is a reply in each one them saying that their phone is bricked now. Dont want to take that risk.
Does anybody have a perfect/absolutely amazing blog with step by step guide.
This is my primary phone.
Your help will be much appreciated.

eighty9sid said:
TWRP + Magisk + Xposed + Elementalx : Is this a gud idea?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not good idea,
Correct order,
TWRP > Custom kernel > Magisk . (Done.)
Don't flash Xposed if you want to use banking apps, it will break safetynet.
Is Magisk Hide effective enough to use Banking apps in rooted phones?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Personally, i don't use banking apps, but Magisk Hide works fine on other similar apps. So, it will be fine there..
Whats safetynet exactly. What does it mean that its pass?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Safetynet is term that is related to safety,
If your device passes safetynet then it's secure, banking apps and others will work fine,
But if safetynet fails, then your device is unsecured, banking and related apps may not work..
Its expected that Moto G4 Plus will get Oreo Update.
Will the Update be available if device is rooted with Magisk?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Even Lenovo/Motorola don't know when OREO will be there for Moto G4 Plus. No other comments
EDIT: If update available in future, you will have to be on stock unmodified ROM, that meams it will fail if magisk or any mod installed..
can you give me the link to that step by step blog/forum which you used?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Check Guides section for Unlocking and flashing TWRP,
And follow LATEST guide for rooting (older thread/information for rooting can brick your device)
And if you are finding XPOSED + Safetynet Pass + Banking apps, then not possible..

Hello there,
I too am using Moto G4 32GB Dual SIM (XT1643) as a daily driver and I am using a Custom ROM i.e. HAVOC which is an Android 8.1.0 Oreo based ROM. I am using Magisk and TWRP and banking apps like SBI anywhere, Kotak App are working flawlessly. I have not tested Google Tez though.
Even when I had the stock ROM, I rooted it using Magisk and Installed ElementalX Kernel via TWRP. I followed steps from XDA itself, used this link:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/themes/g4-g4-plus-how-to-install-magisk-pass-t3551896
And as per your question on SafetyNet, it is basically a security check for android developers so that they can verify that the phone is not rigged or rooted or modified. In order for every developer to write their own code to go through various checks to check the integrity of the phone, google provided SafetyNet an easy to implement feature for developers. For more on SafetyNet, visit this website.:
https://www.nowsecure.com/blog/2017/08/03/android-apps-google-safetynet-attestation-api/
And as far as Magisk is concerned, I personally prefer Magisk over any other rooting solution, there are more than one reasons for that. Mainly I that I play Pokemon Go, so Magisk does it's job very well hiding my device status from Pokemon Go.
For difference between Magisk and SuperSu, here is the link:
https://www.xda-developers.com/magisk-vs-supersu/
You can install OTA updates with MAGISK easily, just need to install STOCK kernel and Uninstall Magisk.
I've never used XPOSED on my device, so I cannot help you with that.
And you may know this already, but I will tell you just in case you don't, In order to root your phone or install custom recovery, you need to unlock bootloader and then install custom recovery like TWRP.
To unlock your bootloader, visit:
Motorola - Unlock Bootloader
And Finally, I hope you know what you're doing. Follow the steps carefully and always read comments and user reviews before doing anything at all.
Happy Rooting

Maybe Wait till OREO OTA comes
I asked this because these two links kind of suggested that it was possible.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nexus5x/comments/5wdb27/does_elementalx_kernel_break_safety_net/
https://www.xda-developers.com/systemless-xposed-android-oreo-available-pass-safetynet/
I may be wrong.
Maybe i should wait for Oreo OTA to come and then decide.

Magisk Xposed is not working, I tried both the version of Xposed but phone doesn't boot at all. So in short, Root with Magisk + banking apps is possible, but root with Magisk+Xposed (even Magisk xposed)+banking apps is not possible as of now.
I tried Sandhook and Yahfa, both are not working.

Banking apps on Custom ROMs

First of my phone is OnePlus 6T, got it 3-4 days after it's release, so it has a mileage.
I've been looking around and trying to figure out is there a way to use banking apps on Custom ROMs, because I'm so sick of OxygenOS and all of it's bugs. I'm someone who heavily depends on banking apps, but I'm also someone who is very much frustrated with OnePlus and all of it's flaws and their treatment of their phones and users.
So my question is, what is it like to use banking apps and any other apps that check if the phone is rooted or not?

I'll be honest I don't use apps for much. My banks website can do pretty much everything I need to do anyways. However since no one chimed in, this has been my experience. I have had to use my banks app once to deposit a check. It did work without issue. The only thing I did was hid it in Magisk (I pass safety net using Magisk Hide Props Module).
Rooted or not, once you go to a custom rom your experience will vary depending on the app. It seems to be for many just hiding root is enough. Sometimes it's denying phone permissions. You're likely going to have some trial and error depending on the app. For most though it will just work if you hide them. Worst case you just go back to stock and you are no worse off than now.

I use custom roms but generally I dont keep a rooted rom..
Once checked with rootbeer as clean all my banking apps work and I have a LOT of them.

ive installed custom rom Pixel Experience in realme
please tell me how to run amazone pay & yono sbi etc app in my mobile
please tell me simple and latest method.
my mobile show root does not installed pr0perly in root checker app\

I have a Samsung on Android 10 and once i enable OEM Unlock in Developer Settings the banking apps stop working and i haven't even done the actual root and custom rom install . Are there any patches for banking apps in a custom rom such as Lineage OS ?

@annonymous said:
ive installed custom rom Pixel Experience in realme
please tell me how to run amazone pay & yono sbi etc app in my mobile
please tell me simple and latest method.
my mobile show root does not installed pr0perly in root checker app\
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Even I'm having the same problem, I've realme 3 pro with Ricedroid Android 12.
Any fixes, please help!

Unrooting From Andriod9 (Will i be able to update normally?)

Hi, Ive been facing this problem, several banking apps arent working and im done with my enjoyment of root.
I wanted to revert back to upgrade this to andriod 12.
Will i need to flash the firmware?
Or can i flash my stock firmware and then upgrade it?
I dont care about loosing my data. can i restore my phone? And run banking apps?
Im a noob, I'd appreciate some noob friendly keywords and guidance

The Knox is efuse is tripped, no way to undo that except replace the mobo. That could be why the banking apps are puking on you.
12 is a dog, leave it on Pie...

blackhawk said:
The Knox is efuse is tripped, no way to undo that except replace the mobo. That could be why the banking apps are puking on you.
12 is a dog, leave it on Pie...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you for your reply, So cant i get something with Lsposed to hide that from apps? or is the cloning method via island the only solution? And you're saying i should stick with andriod 9 ?

[U$AMA]* said:
Thank you for your reply, So cant i get something with Lsposed to hide that from apps? or is the cloning method via island the only solution? And you're saying i should stick with andriod 9 ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I run stock but others here can probably help you with hiding the rooting.
Pie a great OS, reasonably secure, no scoped storage and better supports 3rd party app functionality. I have two stock N10+'s, one running on Pie the other on 10. I prefer the one running on Pie. The 10 variant has a few new tricks but Karma Firewall's valuable logging feature is disabled by it.
Neither phone will likely ever be updated... that's what I think of Android 11 and 12; not much and nothing good.

Try some of the similar Samsung phone forums (Note 9, 10 as well as popular midrange models) here to find solutions for cloaking root.
To search XDA use Google search;
*search term*, XDA.
Welcome to XDA