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[Q] I9505 Dual Boot/ROM without rooting

I want to use some banking apps. My daily driver is CarbonRom. I've tried a number of 'hide root' type apps including Root cloak without success.
I want to have two ROMs, CarbonRom and another Samsung Official. The latter without any hint of root.
Is this possible? And if so how? I'm really looking for people who have actually done this to share their experiences.
Thanks

fswings said:
I want to use some banking apps. My daily driver is CarbonRom. I've tried a number of 'hide root' type apps including Root cloak without success.
I want to have two ROMs, CarbonRom and another Samsung Official. The latter without any hint of root.
Is this possible? And if so how? I'm really looking for people who have actually done this to share their experiences.
Thanks
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Answer is I couldn't get a Samsung official to dual boot. However, I did manage to resolve this and record my experiences here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4/general/tip-uk-banking-apps-rooted-devices-t2914936

Disadvantages of rooting?

Hi there, I'm no new to development, but haven't played with a phone in a while.
Can someone please tell me what the disadvantages of rooting the Nexus 6p are?
My plan is to get root access only to use specific apps (eg greenify) but not to install a new ROM, i.e. I'll stay with stock.
Does this affect:
-Applicability of OTA updates from Google
-ability to use the fingerprint reader
-warranty claims
-speed/stability of the device?
Thanks in advance!

qwertyuiop89 said:
Hi there, I'm no new to development, but haven't played with a phone in a while.
Can someone please tell me what the disadvantages of rooting the Nexus 6p are?
My plan is to get root access only to use specific apps (eg greenify) but not to install a new ROM, i.e. I'll stay with stock.
Does this affect:
-Applicability of OTA updates from Google
-ability to use the fingerprint reader
-warranty claims
-speed/stability of the device?
Thanks in advance!
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-OTA are not possible when rooted. You have to flash back stock boot.img and recovery.img to accept an OTA.
-It does not interfere with Nexus Imprint (Fingerprint reader.)
-Does not affect speed or stability
-Warranty is not affected because you can flash stock imgs and relock bootloader.

You can take OTA's if you do the systemless-root. I believe you would have to flash the recovery back to stock, though.

I think you have to flash boot as well since it's modified.

the biggest disadvantage is your device become instantly awesome, so if you are used to being annoyed about the stock OS missing features this is hard to deal with
But honestly the best thing about owning a nexus is you can root and easily go back to stock if you change your mind. The flash images are also easily available for updates (even before the OTA is out). So play with it, and worst case you can always restore back to stock.

currently my only disadvantage to me is loosing android pay...
yea i know i can make it work if i delete /su/xbin... but i feel like its there for a reason and i shouldnt be deleting it.

chaco81 said:
currently my only disadvantage to me is loosing android pay...
yea i know i can make it work if i delete /su/xbin... but i feel like its there for a reason and i shouldnt be deleting it.
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Supersu 2.61 does systemless root ootb. No need to delete anything. Systemless root will just work and Android Pay will just work.

83097markcynt said:
Supersu 2.61 does systemless root ootb. No need to delete anything. Systemless root will just work and Android Pay will just work.
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i have been using systemless root since v 2.61... im using 2.66 now
and android pay didnt work, and even wont pass safetynet test
delete the /su/xbin folder and it passes safetynet and android pay works...
so yes, for me it sucks that i have delete that to make AP to work... which is why for now i am giving up AP since i dont feel comfortable deleting xbin and breaking stuff

Mine passes safetynet test and is just systemless with nothing deleted. No Android Pay in the UK to test it with though.

Not being awesome.

Not living in the exciting XDA fast lane!

Can I use Xposed with systemless root?

Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!

dimiboy said:
Can I use Xposed with systemless root?
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Yes mate you can works perfectly well
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

qwertyuiop89 said:
Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
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lol this seems to happen when you root and install Xposed or pretty much modify anything. Usually I see a decrease in stability and battery life but an increase in performance, and you get to play with new features early.
I'm contemplating rooting just to use the new launcher.

qwertyuiop89 said:
Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
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You have a couple of things going on.
First root IS as safe as you let it be. If you haven't installed any root applications it should not be any more buggy than stock.
You have installed Xposed. You have not mentioned what modules you have.
I don't have any issues you describe but I don't have a lot of modules installed.
I am stock with Xposed and root.

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Pokemon Go with Fake GPS on the S5 Verizon

Hi,
I bought a used a Verizon S5 hoping to play PoGo using Fake GPS. But I am unable to select a Fake GPS app in Settings. I am currently on 5.0 (version ending in BPB1) and checking for software updates on the phone fails. Presumably because I do not have a SIM in the phone as I would like to continue to use my iPhone. The S5 would be only on Wifi (or iPhone's hotspot) and used only to play PoGo.
I have read through (most of) the painiac's (excellent) guide and I am trying to decide what to do next:
1. Try to install marshmallow update (no root) and see if the option to select the fake GPS appears in settings
2. Root the phone and try several custom ROM's to see if the option appears
3. Sell the phone back and try another phone
I have flashed custom ROM's with older Android phones some 3 years ago. Modding scene has considerably changed since then and I find myself reading warnings and seeing dead ends (permanently locked bootloaders etc) everywhere. Any advice would be appreciated.

Let me rephrase the question. I can update to marshmallow 6.0 with images available on the internet. I will lose the ability to root the phone. But I may be able to run fake gps and play pokemon go.
Or I can try rooting it and then installing xposed or other frameworks to get the set up on lollipop 5.0 - which is root-able.
Which would be the recommended way for someone like me with mediocre android hacking skills and very little time?
Thanks.

Marshmallow will give you the option to make Fake GPS the default mock application.
However, Pokemon Go will not run on rooted devices unless you know of a workaround for that.

yelloguy said:
Hi,
I bought a used a Verizon S5 hoping to play PoGo using Fake GPS. But I am unable to select a Fake GPS app in Settings. I am currently on 5.0 (version ending in BPB1) and checking for software updates on the phone fails. Presumably because I do not have a SIM in the phone as I would like to continue to use my iPhone. The S5 would be only on Wifi (or iPhone's hotspot) and used only to play PoGo.
I have read through (most of) the painiac's (excellent) guide and I am trying to decide what to do next:
1. Try to install marshmallow update (no root) and see if the option to select the fake GPS appears in settings
2. Root the phone and try several custom ROM's to see if the option appears
3. Sell the phone back and try another phone
I have flashed custom ROM's with older Android phones some 3 years ago. Modding scene has considerably changed since then and I find myself reading warnings and seeing dead ends (permanently locked bootloaders etc) everywhere. Any advice would be appreciated.
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you've come to the right person asking this stuff lol I used to cover all that stuff daily on my yt channel. gained 2400 subs in 3 weeks due to posting my vids on other sites that allowed pogo hacks to be posted. was doing 3-4 vids a day.
AOSP based roms will not work on Pokemon Go. That leaves out anything like Cyanogenmod or anything compiled from it.
The only way i got POGO to work on my spare s5 (i use it for testing) was to flash back stock NI2, re-root with towel root, flash a TouchWiz based rom with SafeStrap, then delete the Root binary and anything SU related, basically unrooting my rom and backing it up manually and only putting em back when it was needed
There's probably better ways now, but for me this worked 100%
POGO isn't worth the effort in my opinion.

loadedpampers said:
Marshmallow will give you the option to make Fake GPS the default mock application.
However, Pokemon Go will not run on rooted devices unless you know of a workaround for that.
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Thanks so much. I am currently not rooted and when I go to MM I cannot be rooted from what I understand. So I think I will do the upgrade when I have some time. I will lose the ability to root but I can live with that.

KaptinBoxxi said:
The only way i got POGO to work on my spare s5 (i use it for testing) was to flash back stock NI2, re-root with towel root, flash a TouchWiz based rom with SafeStrap, then delete the Root binary and anything SU related, basically unrooting my rom and backing it up manually and only putting em back when it was needed
There's probably better ways now, but for me this worked 100%
POGO isn't worth the effort in my opinion.
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I agree on the effort comment, but I am not sure why you are rooting the device if it does not work on rooted devices? Wouldn't it be a lot easier to stay un-rooted and keep it simple and stupid?

Also, can anyone point me to a legit MM stock ROM? I have downloaded ODIN but I am nervous about the sketchy websites needing registration for downloading the ROM image. I need stock un-rooted Verizon ROM so I was thinking it should be easy to find. However I am not having much luck on the Googles.

Using Magisk 10.2 and the root bundled with it works. You just have to use Magisk hide which is now bundled with magisk.
I'm on vzw s5 running phoenix rom with root. Can still play pogo. No luck on xposed though.

Just a quick update. I got all the things in place for updating the phone to Marshmallow 6.0 and connected the phone to the computer for the first time. The phone gave me messages about installing software update agent and I followed the instructions. It offered to install the marshmallow update from verizon and I took that offer.
After the update, the option to select a GPS app showed up on the phone. I selected my installed app and almost everything works on pokemon go now.
I say almost because PoGo still jumps back to home location for a short second from time to time. But from what I can tell, the fix needs root. So I'll just leave good enough alone for now.
Thanks for all the help.

yelloguy said:
I agree on the effort comment, but I am not sure why you are rooting the device if it does not work on rooted devices? Wouldn't it be a lot easier to stay un-rooted and keep it simple and stupid?
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i do so much with my devices that they need to be rooted. i do a lot of app debugging for my friend who makes games to help him out. i do have a spare phone that's not rooted for pogo now though. although htc m7's are awful haha

TechX1991 said:
you've come to the right person asking this stuff lol I used to cover all that stuff daily on my yt channel. gained 2400 subs in 3 weeks due to posting my vids on other sites that allowed pogo hacks to be posted. was doing 3-4 vids a day.
AOSP based roms will not work on Pokemon Go. That leaves out anything like Cyanogenmod or anything compiled from it.
The only way i got POGO to work on my spare s5 (i use it for testing) was to flash back stock NI2, re-root with towel root, flash a TouchWiz based rom with SafeStrap, then delete the Root binary and anything SU related, basically unrooting my rom and backing it up manually and only putting em back when it was needed
There's probably better ways now, but for me this worked 100%
POGO isn't worth the effort in my opinion.
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Anyone know how to get fake gps working on iphone full process please and stable working. I need to know full method which includes what jailbreak is best, what iphone versions are best and easy to do. Also how to disable or turn off mock location detection. Like in andriod you can do it via smali. Please I tried looking for usefull info on the net everywhere but can't seem to find solid info. Cheers

kani1544 said:
Anyone know how to get fake gps working on iphone full process please and stable working. I need to know full method which includes what jailbreak is best, what iphone versions are best and easy to do. Also how to disable or turn off mock location detection. Like in andriod you can do it via smali. Please I tried looking for usefull info on the net everywhere but can't seem to find solid info. Cheers
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This post is 6 YEARS old. What made you even think it was worth it to quote my 6 year old post to get information now?
Google would have answered your question faster than you typing out that whole post. I know the answer to your question, I'm not going to give it

TechX1991 said:
This post is 6 YEARS old. What made you even think it was worth it to quote my 6 year old post to get information now?
Google would have answered your question faster than you typing out that whole post. I know the answer to your question, I'm not going to give it
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bro chill man. i tried to google it but cant get the answer man. why are u getting so angry man. what did i do. Sorry i just posted my question at ur post to get my answers to my questions. But just curious why wont you share some info, is there some reason or something?

TechX1991 said:
This post is 6 YEARS old. What made you even think it was worth it to quote my 6 year old post to get information now?
Google would have answered your question faster than you typing out that whole post. I know the answer to your question, I'm not going to give it
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should we chat private pm or something thats why?

to root or not to root that is the question

So I just got my op6t and I'm conflicted if I should root. I'm under a 2year payment plan (honestly never stopped me in the past). But I have to ask is it worth it on the 6t?

Hi!
Actually there are a lot of things you can do without root your phone, and some others having rooted. Know also that having the MSM Download Tool available here in the forum you can return to fully unrooted/stock your phone at any moment, even if you render it to a non bootable/loopboot status.
Also have in mind that the "worst" part of being rooted is the lose of Widevine L1, so you won't be able to watch HD content in your device using Netflix. This also seems to apply to some banking apps that looks not working detecting rooted devices.
And for the custom roms... well, there are some great around here, but by now no one actually can use the fingerprint scanner to unlock your phone.
I rooted mine when was new released, was the first thing I did. Then I returned to stock a few days later. Didn't make any sense to me be in the root side...

Thank you that helped a lot. I will definitely have to think about root and weigh the pros and cons

No one will know if u root or not. That's the joy of msm. And if u use libcrypto disabler u can still watch in hd.

I would definitely root. Won't hurt.
I wouldn't install a custom rom though. Very disappointing on this device.

I have tried every rom. And Built a few for this device. Tresk mod (Google it, not on xda) it is the best rom. And works farrrr better than oxygen os with this hardware.. there isn't absolutely anything disappointing with it.

fullofhell said:
No one will know if u root or not. That's the joy of msm. And if u use libcrypto disabler u can still watch in hd.
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Hello!
Didn't know about that libcrypto disabler, but I googled and found this in the developer thread:
"Please note that a consequence of using this module is that Widevine DRM will fall back to using L3 instead of L1. This means that Netflix will play all content in SD quality, regardless of your subscription type. Of course, without this module, you won't be able to play anything on a rooted device, so beggars can't be choosers."
Actually that's what happens with the OnePlus 6T, once unlocking the bootloader leads the Widevine DRM to L3, so Netflix only plays SD content.

Just get root with Magisk and disable (hide) any app that disallows root. One of the most important aspects (at least for me) of being root is Titanium Backup and AdAway.

What I would like to know is when the bootloader is unlocked, is the device fully decrypted? Or is the encryption still fully functioning even when bootloader is unlocked and rooted?

oggta said:
What I would like to know is when the bootloader is unlocked, is the device fully decrypted? Or is the encryption still fully functioning even when bootloader is unlocked and rooted?
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Still encrypted, u don't want it decrypted.. security is broken if u do..and has zero benefits like on older phones

I stopped rooting years ago...about android 4.3
Prior to that, even going back to my "pda-phone" days, I use to flash about anything that would come along. My first droid was the Dell Streak 5, then the Galaxy Note 1. Then came droid 4.3 and the Mate 2, which was good and for me, didn't need to be rooted. Now, after work, I rarely pick up the phone unless someone calls me. It's a work "tool" and I just don't bother. Other than Nova Launcher, I just don't screw with them any more.

ducted said:
Hi!
Actually there are a lot of things you can do without root your phone, and some others having rooted. Know also that having the MSM Download Tool available here in the forum you can return to fully unrooted/stock your phone at any moment, even if you render it to a non bootable/loopboot status.
Also have in mind that the "worst" part of being rooted is the lose of Widevine L1, so you won't be able to watch HD content in your device using Netflix. This also seems to apply to some banking apps that looks not working detecting rooted devices.
And for the custom roms... well, there are some great around here, but by now no one actually can use the fingerprint scanner to unlock your phone.
I rooted mine when was new released, was the first thing I did. Then I returned to stock a few days later. Didn't make any sense to me be in the root side...
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Wrong, you can use libcrypto disabler to watch HD videos in Netflix. And custom roms do now have working fingerprints. You can hide root from banking apps since Magisk is systemless.

ebproject said:
Wrong, you can use libcrypto disabler to watch HD videos in Netflix. And custom roms do now have working fingerprints. You can hide root from banking apps since Magisk is systemless.
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Read this about libcrypto disabler from the developer:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/magisk-liboemcrypto-disabler-drm-t3794393
Notice the last paragraph before the change log.
And for the custom roms having working fingerprint sensor, could you recommend any? I'll like to test some of them.
TY!

ducted said:
Read this about libcrypto disabler from the developer:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/magisk-liboemcrypto-disabler-drm-t3794393
Notice the last paragraph before the change log.
And for the custom roms having working fingerprint sensor, could you recommend any? I'll like to test some of them.
TY!
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Tresk mod (not on xda) and pixel experience work flawlessly..better than oos

Can we install and use dolby without rooting our phones? if we can plz share something...
Thanks.

Last time I rooted was the Note 4. Didn't care to until Google began handicapping Android more and more. The big one for me is killing call recording. Ironically, Google has been working more to copy iOS, an OS which supports call recording. So they're not copying that part of it.

ducted said:
Read this about libcrypto disabler from the developer:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/magisk-liboemcrypto-disabler-drm-t3794393
Notice the last paragraph before the change log.
And for the custom roms having working fingerprint sensor, could you recommend any? I'll like to test some of them.
TY!
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Try Skydragon, the battery life is incredible. Best I've ever seen.

I recently reverted back to stock software. As nice as rooting can be, it gets very easy to be addicted to flashing software constantly, and oxygen OS is really the best Android experience these days. My only complaint is the occasional aggressive hibernation in their kernel configuration. But the overall experience is great, and unless you're getting pretty technical on your customizations, stock international software can't be beat!

So if I just convert from T-Mobile to international can I still have hd Netflix?

darkfire2040 said:
So if I just convert from T-Mobile to international can I still have hd Netflix?
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If your bootloader is unlocked, no. Just unlocking the bootloader leads Widevine from L1 (HD content) to L3 (SD content). (This happens only while your bootloader is unlocked, relocking it will raise Widevine to L1 again.)
I don't know if you are using the MSM Tool to convert your phone or if is some sort of rom mix flashed via TWRP, but using MSM tool flashes to stock and then relocks the bootloader, so you will be able to play HD content in Netflix.
You can use any tool like "DevCheck Hardware and System Info" from @flar2 available at the Play Store to check your Widevine level amongst other useful device info.

Most current ROM for using banking apps

Hello!
I want to use my old Galaxy SII for banking apps or apps in general that require a non modded phone, as they often make problems on my rooted Galaxy S7.
Can you please give me a hint what ROM I should install that
1. is the most recent one in terms of security updates / maybe also android version as maybe some apps won't work anymore with old kitkat android
2. passes all security checks, so either way it is official or modded but has working magisk hide function etc
Thank you very much!!

I kinda doubt you'll get banking apps working on the S2 with any ROM as:
1. Stock Jelly Bean is too old (API level no longer supported)
2. Custom ROMs fail safety net.
Your only remote chance is with LineageOS 16.0 and Magisk:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s2/development-derivatives/pie-i9100-t3850588
And this is assuming that you have the i9100 or one of the sub-variants. You'll be even more out of luck with anything else...

Thank you very much, then I'll go for Lineage OS. Yes, I have the I9100 model.

How did you get on with this? Were you able to get your banking app to work?

chimerical26 said:
How did you get on with this? Were you able to get your banking app to work?
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You need to flash lineageos from post above. Than flash magisk, install magisk apk, hide magisk. Now u can use banking apps.

chimerical26 said:
How did you get on with this? Were you able to get your banking app to work?
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Sorry for late answer. Yes it worked, no additional google apps needed. Just Lineage + Magisk. All different kind of banking apps work.

cybtrash said:
Sorry for late answer. Yes it worked, no additional google apps needed. Just Lineage + Magisk. All different kind of banking apps work.
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How does LOS 16 run on this phone? It's pretty beefy all things considered. Is it possible to use a custom partition map to get rid of that god awful 10GB "internal sd card"