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Joying Android 5.1.1 Lollipop 10.1 inch video review

This user did a video review of his newly received 10.1" Head Unit with Android 5.1.1 lollipop from Joying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZETYnUqVuo
What do you think? is this worthy or should I go for the Octa Core from InDashNet with Lollipop?
(in any case I would go with 7 inch, 10.1 maight be a bit of an overkill)

I am wondering the same thing the 10.1 sounds great but may require a hack job to get it in the dash. How are the Joying units... I haven't played with the Chinese units for a while, have they improved? I may get the Joying lollipop unit in the 7 inch version to mess with.

aplusmiami said:
I am wondering the same thing the 10.1 sounds great but may require a hack job to get it in the dash. How are the Joying units... I haven't played with the Chinese units for a while, have they improved? I may get the Joying lollipop unit in the 7 inch version to mess with.
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the 7" universal model is now avilable from Joying with android 5.
If you are USA contact me to place order so you can get USA warranty.

10.1 sounds awesome, but like aplusmiami said, how do you get that in your dash without looking awful?

CadillacMike said:
10.1 sounds awesome, but like aplusmiami said, how do you get that in your dash without looking awful?
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aplusmiami said:
I am wondering the same thing the 10.1 sounds great but may require a hack job to get it in the dash. How are the Joying units... I haven't played with the Chinese units for a while, have they improved? I may get the Joying lollipop unit in the 7 inch version to mess with.
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Looks like the back of it is a double din fit, but it pokes out an inch or so therefore it "overlaps" the surrounding dash instead of the outside frame being flush with the dash, like this picture you can kind of see it
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10.1 sounds awesome, but like aplusmiami said, how do you get that in your dash without looking awful?
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2008 Honda Element. Looks a bit funny, but most people think its awesome and its much safer for my wife with the backup camera view.

Sorry but the 10" just seems silly to me. It is not integrated into the Dash, it looks like some one duct taped an ipad on the dash.

nixfu said:
Sorry but the 10" just seems silly to me. It is not integrated into the Dash, it looks like some one duct taped an ipad on the dash.
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It depends on what your dashboard looks like.
Here is my fresh 10.1" Joying in Sprinter dashboard.

nixfu said:
Sorry but the 10" just seems silly to me. It is not integrated into the Dash, it looks like some one duct taped an ipad on the dash.
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You're just jealous. There is a reason Ron Jeremy made so many films.
Seriously though. In use the gain in usability from the real estate does make it difficult to care or even tempt you to go back to a 7. I'd put one in my Cayenne Turbo if I could get the canbus to work with the amps.
That Sprinter dash is cool.

After having an 8.4 inch infotainment system in my 300, I would not want to go to a 6.2 inch system in my upcoming Jeep. I could definitely see me putting in the 10 inch screen
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10.2 inches is welcome, but I don't like the fact that it is sticking out like this, otherwise I would have bought it.

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10.2 inches is welcome, but I don't like the fact that it is sticking out like this, otherwise I would have bought it.
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Ditto!
That's why I put mine inside dashboard frame. I had to chop off some of tabs and stuff to make it fit. It wasn't easy, but hey I've enjoy doing it.

Can you share a picture of how you did it?

I got reallllllllly close to pulling the trigger on the 10 inch.
My dashboard insert would even fit it on the "inside". https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jVe5BpW5Kf8/maxresdefault.jpg (not mine, but same vehicle)
But after thinking it through, enough really is enough. Plus sticking with the 7" would make it a straight up plug-and-play rather than messing around cutting the dash insert kit up to finally fit it nicely, etc.
Another problem that stands out to me on the 10 inch, is the resolution. Its the same resolution as the 7", but a lower pixel density. That could mean a bit much on the side of bleeding eyes. I personally find that on a 7", I prefer a resolution of at least 1280x800, which is obviously higher than the 1024x600 offered on both the 7" and 10". So sticking with 7" will at least keep the pixel density OK, if not great.
On to the review itself... effectively says "yep, its a chinese android head unit". Spends a lot of time in settings doing nothing much. Does the typical back and forth dragging of the launcher that means absolutely nothing. The part that stands out is that the guy doing the video really loves his pontyfat and even sticks a pontyfat sticker over the joying... as if pontyfat is a better brand name than some random chinese electronics manufacturer's name. This leads me to my last point -- the 10" has the manufacturer's logo behind the glass, whereas the 7" has it painted onto the plastic -- much easier to remove for that clean black plastic look, which will REALLY be nice after suffering for a few years with this freaking ugly JUST HOW THE FREAKING MANY LOGOS DO YOU BLOODY NEED ON THE THING??? https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Pb3BQZ9mL._SX425_.jpg mess.

doctorman said:
the 7" universal model is now avilable from Joying with android 5.
If you are USA contact me to place order so you can get USA warranty.
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I just joined this forum a few hours ago, and I am not sure of the procedure to direct you to the long review post I just made on another thread.... but if you look up this title "Looking to purchase a Joying Android Head Unit. Any Good?" Mine is the latest comment (as of now anyway). I am interested in your take on the 2 issues I am having with the 10.1" 5.1.1 unit I just installed. Thanks

recarro said:
So I recently purchased a new Joying 5.1.1 head unit. This is my third Android Car Stereo and so far it is one of my favorite upgrades for my ride.
I am rocking the 7" which is pretty dope thus far. Here's the review I did that might just help you out if you're thinking of picking one up:
Here's the Unboxing Video showing what's included in the event you don't know - https://youtu.be/GlsKVpYWKx0
And... here the device iscase you wanna pick one up - http://amzn.to/1UPER4C
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How is the volume knob on this thing? I notice that your unit is recessed a little, which would be the case for my Civic SI as well. Just wondering what those buttons are like to operate.

recarro said:
Well, the volume knob is not too firm nor too soft, you feel the turns as you move up or down. At times after powering up I'll turn the knob but there's a slight delay in its response to adjusting the level. The buttons are soft and you don't hear any clicking sound, I like the fact that they designed it this way.
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do you find it hard to use with it recessed like that? how much of a delay are you experiencing just out of curiosity?

Shield 2?

I'm looking at picking up a Shield TV in the next few months, but wanted to see if there might be a newer version coming out. I know the Roku releases new models every year or so, and it's been about a year since the release of the Shield. Is there any buzz about a new/upcoming version out there?
Thanks

If a new version were to come out in the near future it would most likely be another mobile device & not a set top box

I would agree on this. SATV still offers the best hardware, and next software update will continue to add features (youtube 4k 60fps for example).
I don't really see what a Shield 2 could offer more right now, I mean besides more perfs but as of today nothing trumps the SATV 1.
A new Shield tablet would benefit on the contrary from a SOC pascal-based for example, since the SOC it's using now is older than the one in SATV

Lorka.Tinou said:
I would agree on this. SATV still offers the best hardware, and next software update will continue to add features (youtube 4k 60fps for example).
I don't really see what a Shield 2 could offer more right now, I mean besides more perfs but as of today nothing trumps the SATV 1.
A new Shield tablet would benefit on the contrary from a SOC pascal-based for example, since the SOC it's using now is older than the one in SATV
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The next software update hit a pop-fly right outta left field with the Shield TV being a full Plex Media Server now with transcoding too.

Its out of stock everywhere even on the Nvidia website so something is happening.

There is an FCC filing for a new one, which is a pretty good indicator.
http://www.aftvnews.com/new-nvidia-shield-tv-passes-through-the-fcc/
Also I saw something on reddit, when someone asked why it was out of stock everywhere, but this was mostly speculation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AndroidTV/comments/50nzud/nvidia_shield_tv_discontinued/
I would say chances are pretty good that a new SATV is on the way. Timing and release date would be hard to pin down.

just to temper things there was an fcc filing for a new tablet and that didnt happen , admittedly the lack of stock does usually hint at a new release but who knows if its just a rev of the same setup
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As for the discontinued Tablet 2, that was considered due to nVidia providing the SoC for Nintendo's NX (to not compete). So I guess, it's a good sign that the SATV refresh is really coming soon (until holiday season?) as the form factor is quite different. Too bad they close it down so much.

I would assume the new one would maybe be designed to be cheaper. Or maybe a removable HD would be awesome.

Let's hope nvidia don't axe it completely. They have been known to do more professional and ODM stuff then consumer, and the switch is comming.

Surprised nobody has mentioned this.
https://www.nvidia.co.uk/shield/

silverblack said:
Surprised nobody has mentioned this.
https://www.nvidia.co.uk/shield/
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not sure its a shield 2, just appears slightly smaller with a different gamepad. hardware spec seems to be the same
the new rear layout
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/nvidia-shield-tv-pro-media-streamer-500gb-tegra-x1-processor-3gb-ram-4k-hdr-ready-hdmi-gbe-2xusb-30-
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the old layout
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/nvidia-shield-pro-500gb-including-controller-android-tv-4k-video-and-cloud-gaming

It's definitely the new Shield or as good as it going to get.
Lost the Sd card slot now.
Same innards and a re-design,mostly extra software features that the original Shield will get too.

Mid gen console refresh, loosing sdcard and a better gamepad you can buy to use in old model too. That's all.
"Old" model will get Nougat as an OS upgrade and will have the same functionality.

Why on earth would they take the sd card out?

HDMI port is now 2.0b
And it looks like it also lost the IR receiver.

does the original not have 2.0b

Sub-Negro said:
Why on earth would they take the sd card out?
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it's still there, look a the amazon picture of the back of it, it's better quality.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61OJ4TODznL._SL1500_.jpg
i'm curious if this will support side loading apps without root and how easy it is to root before i fork up the cash for this thing.
going to wait a bit for customer feedback first before i buy imo.

Wishmaster2 said:
HDMI port is now 2.0b
And it looks like it also lost the IR receiver.
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HUYI said:
it's still there, look a the amazon picture of the back of it, it's better quality.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61OJ4TODznL._SL1500_.jpg
i'm curious if this will support side loading apps without root and how easy it is to root before i fork up the cash for this thing.
going to wait a bit for customer feedback first before i buy imo.
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Looking at the spec sheet on nVidias website, it looks like only the pro version has the ir receiver, micro sd, and micro usb connection. Semi-confirmed by amazon closeups.

Is this really worth calling it a Sheild TV2? It seems to me it's more like a Shield TV Slim. As to the IR Port, until we start seeing the first YouTube reviews crop up. I'll continue to trust the released Spec Sheet that states that it'll have one.
On that same topic, both the Gamepad, and Remote on the 2017 Models should also come with an IR Blaster. nNot for the Shield, which uses either Bluetooth 4.1 BLE, or WiFi Direct. But to control other AVrs, and TVs.

Building own Android Head Unit

Chees Folks,
i wanna start a project and hope for an exchange of knowledge. First of all i wanna introduce myself. Im Pat, 27 years old from Germany. I have an BMW 3 (E46) with a Pumpkin Android Headunit (famous RK3188). Tbh the head unit is really slow and i thought: "Why not build a whole new head unit by myself?". I'm experienced in electronics and maybe a little bit of programing.
I thought about the following parts to realize the Project:
As Mainboard the Pine64 Rock64 - Advantages: Full Android support, Based on the Raspberry Pi, 4GB RAM, a lot of modules are available like 7" Touchscreen, external soundcard, GPS module, FM module, WiFi module and i also found a nice module to emulate my Steering Wheel Keys without big effort to it.
The challenging part comes with the bluetooth module. With a little investigation i found out, that you need a special bluetooth module that comes with the profiles: HSP, HFP, AD2P and so on.... Now the big question! How can i find an app for android that works with the module and let me manage the connections, make phone calls, transfer contacts and play music from my mobilephone? I guess you know what kind of app i am talking about. The common Android HU like Eresin, Pumpkin, Xtron, JOYING have these bluetooth managing apps (see screenshot)
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Best regards!

You might take a look at this project.

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You might take a look at this project.
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Yes is saw this thread but unfortunately the creator didn't answer for about 3 Months and as i see the progress is really slow there. But sounds very interesting. Thanks for the hint

Actually, the PINE64 board is not really fast (Quad-Core A53 CPU, the usual PX5 head units have Octa-Cora A53). Considering all the effort you would have with getting something custom to a useable state, it's probably much easier and cheaper to try one of the new PX6 units for the E46 (with much faster A72 cores) first.
https://androidautoshop.com/bmw/386-2757-bmw-e46-3-series-9-touch.html#/26-map-europe

Xtreme2k said:
Actually, the PINE64 board is not really fast (Quad-Core A53 CPU, the usual PX5 head units have Octa-Cora A53). Considering all the effort you would have with getting something custom to a useable state, it's probably much easier and cheaper to try one of the new PX6 units for the E46 (with much faster A72 cores) first.
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Im open for different boards in my configuration but i dont want a new Android Head Unit. I want to build it on my own which is more updatable in future than these common Units.

CLU91 said:
Yes is saw this thread but unfortunately the creator didn't answer for about 3 Months and as i see the progress is really slow there. But sounds very interesting. Thanks for the hint
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Unfortunately, I cannot post a link, but if you search for "hikey960-car gitlab" on Google, you will find details on the prototype of that project which may be of interest.

BlueSysOnChip said:
Unfortunately, I cannot post a link, but if you search for "hikey960-car gitlab" on Google, you will find details on the prototype of that project which may be of interest.
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That one is from Adam Serbinski.
The link I referred to is from 96carboard aka ibdroid aka luciusfox aka doitright aka Mukesh (and a few other aliases) and continues here
I did not check and do not know if doitright is working on the first one too.
Edit: After further examination they all work on the same tree.
Edit2: After further examination I think that Adam Serbinsky is one of the many aliases doitright (96carboard) is using.

Phoenix Automotive PX6 Units - Specs and Where to Find more info?

Phoenix recently launched a PX6 unit for my truck. It's basically the only aftermarket system out there right now that works (somewhat) seamlessly with it. Needless to say, a bunch of us bought them and there's a pretty decent following on FB for them. Unfortunately, Phoenix's support is pretty much useless and almost entirely non-existent. There are quite a few little annoying bugs that really need to be worked out and some features that really could be added. We're not holding our breath that we'll ever get a response from Phoenix.
I spent several hours searching and reading today and have a little better understanding of exactly what hardware we're dealing with and just ended up more confused.
Can anyone tell me what type of unit this is (i.e.: MTCB, MTCD, other?) so I can at least narrow down my research on figuring out what can and can't be done with this thing?
This is what we have after Phoenix's most recent updates:
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The MCU type relates to the manufacturer so the MTC series is made by Microntek and you can tell by the filename in the MCU version. I have no idea who make the MCU for your HU. The SoM appears to be from ZXW but again good luck finding any info on that.

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The MCU type relates to the manufacturer so the MTC series is made by Microntek and you can tell by the filename in the MCU version. I have no idea who make the MCU for your HU. The SoM appears to be from ZXW but again good luck finding any info on that.
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There is ZXW voice recognition software on them, so you're probably on to something there.
I'm kind of surprised that there's not more info out there on these. I was under the impression that Phoenix has been selling quite a few of them. They're really awesome little units, but they'd be a whole lot better if I could tweak a few things!

I looked at one of those when I researched my HU and at the time it seemed Phoenix was pretty responsive with support and updates. Maybe they lost their dev. I wouldn't expect them to be a big outfit probably just a couple guys in all. I picked a PX5 MTC unit for the support, customization options and the IPS screen.
Here's a couple threads you might want to keep tabs on.

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I looked at one of those when I researched my HU and at the time it seemed Phoenix was pretty responsive with support and updates. Maybe they lost their dev. I wouldn't expect them to be a big outfit probably just a couple guys in all. I picked a PX5 MTC unit for the support, customization options and the IPS screen.
Here's a couple threads you might want to keep tabs on.
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Their support is mediocre at best. They've release a few updates and taken care of major problems, but there are lots of little bugs that they don't seem very interested in addressing. And there's zero documentation on how these things are setup and what some of the settings do. We get bits and pieces here and there, but there's also a huge language barrier that seems to make it harder to explain what some of the issues are.
It's my understanding that all of their stuff is made by a single company in China and they're just reselling. It's probably only a matter of time before other resellers will have the same unit and maybe that will open up some more support channels.

They probably get their units off Alibaba. I remember comparing specs with everything I could find on Aliexpress and the one I was looking at appeared to be very similar to the one made by ZWNAV. They don't have the best reputation either, another reason I went with what I got.

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They probably get their units off Alibaba. I remember comparing specs with everything I could find on Aliexpress and the one I was looking at appeared to be very similar to the one made by ZWNAV. They don't have the best reputation either, another reason I went with what I got.
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I think it's probably the other way around. Once the chinese manufacturer starts making units for one reseller, they'll sell them to everyone else too.
I do know that Phoenix has some involvement in the design/R&D on these as they used at least a couple peoples' trucks to probe and sniff the factory wiring for the integrated HVAC controls and the steering wheel controls, and of course, the wiring harnesses. I'm sure they just ship that info off to China for them to design the final product.
So far Phoenix is the only known vendor selling the radio for my truck. But I'm sure it'll eventually pop with others.

Any more info on these? I'm looking at the 12.1 vertical units for my Nissan Rogue. In the demo video, I noticed the passenger-side knob is labeled "teek" instead of "seek". Hopefully the final shipping units have been corrected. Anyway, just looking for more real world users of these units...

False Android OS Claims! Know What You're Buying!

After looking around for a while, I began to see a pattern. 95% of the listings I could find stated that their headunit runs on Android 9, or even 10. One was so bold as to claim Android 10.1. Seriously? 10.1 doesn't even EXIST!
I noticed this when I bought my first Android headunit.
Android 10 headunit
After powering it on, and seeing the settings menu, I noticed it didn't look anything like Android 10. Ok, so you can make a custom theme, cool, maybe they did that here. But I was still curious, so I installed an app that gives me all the TRUE information about the headunit. Suspecion confirmed! It was Android 8.1.0. Performance was TERRIBLE, but it was NOT Android 10.0. I had at LEAST 10 emails back and forth with the seller about it. They tried VERY hard to tell me that EVERY UNIT they make has Android 10. After I made a brief video showing them the information I pulled, directly on the unit itself, and it shows 8.1.0, they immediately issued a full refund. lol Dead silent after that.
So what Android OS version are the vast majority of current headunits running?
Android 8.1.0
It's not all bad. As long as the headunit has the right hardware, Android 8.1.0 will run just fine. I have an ATOTO S8 Pro. Experience is nearly butter.
But how do you tell from a screenshot, what the REAL OS version is? If you're familiar with Android at all, these will make sense.
This is a listing for the ATOTO A6. Notice how the theme of the status bar icons is pretty much in line with Android Marshmallow? Even the logo used is correct. This is believable. I give ATOTO props for being honest and upfront about this.
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This was taken from Amazon. Notice the font and background here? The whole theme seems to have a HONEYCOMB feel. That's likely because the build is Android 3.x. This isn't Android 9.1. Also consider that Android 9.1 doesn't even exist, so that's two strikes. Stay away from this kind of thing.
This one was taken from an eBay listing. Here are inconsistencies that give it away. This is both Android 9.0 AND 10.0, right? Must be some kind of dual boot magic! Sorry, but no. Also, I forgot to circle the home, back and recents buttons, but you can see the icons are from all the way back in the Honeycomb days, Android 3.x. No manufacturer is going to go to all the effort to bring forward such old theme elements into the current version of Android. It's not worth the time or effort. This could be as old as Honeycomb, or as new as Oreo. I'm betting is older.
Here is one from Pumpkin. It's a more well known brand, or at least people have heard of them. But they too are playing the advertising game. Same as before, we have some very old icons, and it's not worth the time to forward port old icons. Plus, WHY? It doesn't even make it look good. I wouldn't even bet on this being Oreo. I might guess Marshmallow, at BEST. This was advertised as Android 10.
And here we have the best one! This manufacturer managed to pull off the impossible! They created Android 10.1, even BEFORE GOOGLE COULD! Ok, where do I start with this one....
1: So, yeah, Android 10.1 doesn't exist
2: Icons on the left, top one doesn't line up. Faked home screen
3: Bottom right icons, can't tap recents with microphone overlaid on it. Non-functional.
4: Right side. Internet Explorer on Android? Almost positive that never happened. We DO have Edge now, though.
This one was just full a crap.
Bottom line, when it comes to Android headunits, be VERY thorough about getting the specs on the unit you're looking to buy. This market is saturated with companies looking to sell you something they can't deliver on. Marketing makes it sound so good, that you think you're getting a sweet deal. Android 10 headunit for $60, sign me up! (Yeah, don't fall for that fake crap, please).
Don't waste your money on something you think is current. There's a very high chance you'll actually end up with a unit that should have only been worth $10.
If you would like to have a look and see what your headunit is ACTUALLY running, you can use this app to find out:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=itgeeks.fullsysteminfo&hl=en_US
Let me know what make, model, and Android version your unit is running. I'm curious to know the results!

Happened to me too
Got my money back and still using the unit. I must admit it's smooth and never sluggish once in over7 months of use
Trimis de pe al meu POCOPHONE F1 folosind Tapatalk

@chevycam94 I agree we should vigorously pursue disputes with sellers of such garbage.
I got a Carlaoer sold as Android 8.1Go that turned out to be API 23 (Android 6.0)...opened a dispute and got some money back.
Folks should be aware that even memory and flash numbers can be fudged, so a thorough inspection (Aida64 comes to mind) is required...maybe even get down to Linux level and run terminal commands.
Bottom line...yes, it's disgraceful how the buyer is being openly lied to, but in my experience the OS is a lot less important vs perfect integration with the MCU and Canbus. No OS will help you if you can't control functions or operate the unit.
They should focus on solving those problems instead of selling "Andiod 10.1" with "Internet Exploder" built in ?

I started down the rabbit hole of trying to get the cheapest head unit with the largest screen and I didn't even consider that they might lie about the Android OS. Eventually I just went with the S8 Ultra because of the support here on XDA, some limited reviews (XDA, Youtube) and whatever was the latest/greatest with good customer service.