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Many people have had this issue and i am going to put down the facts here.
The GMS radio in the x10 is not.. great.
It suffers in low signal area's lets say 1 to 2 bars of signal or lets say about -80 to -108dB and lower.
It requires alot more juice from the battery and that causes overheating then after a time chipset death.
This is all based on tests done at home.. i contacted my provider and had a petition signed, they fixed the tower and the issue's with my phone's heat are gone!
Now that i have full signal strength the device has no heat or battery issue's at home.
The other problem you can face is only if you flash firmware with a baseband or a separate baseband.
Many times the baseband may not settle correctly.. this will lead to severe heat, restarts, laggs or even chipset death.
Sometimes the baseband will not even be compatible.
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the third problem that i am adding here and almost forgot about...
Charging while under any or even both of these conditions... can be catastrophic.
As sometimes the modem uses so much energy while the INTERNET is in usage that it cannot hold the charge.
There by cuasing major heat.. and you can guess where that will end up.
Switching to 2G instead of 3G can help ALOT, but in some cases this will end badly
As you will get very slow speeds and that causes downloads to be pathetic slow
and even more prone to bad downloads due to the bad signal quality.
The other case may be that you have the dreaded chipset of DEATH if you get above 45*C it's a good chance you have this horrid chipset.
Have it replaced by SE.
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All of my theories have been properly tested and recreated and fixed to ensure that this info is correct.
Before you call me insane or retarded... test it first!!!
http://talk.sonyericsson.com/message/130419#130419 < my theory proven.
Nice find there!
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Nice find there!
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I spent alot of time on this.. one motherboard and a battery later i found the culprits.
OmegaRED^ said:
Many people have had this issue and i am going to put down the facts here.
The GMS radio in the x10 is not.. great.
It suffers in low signal area's lets say 1 to 2 bars of signal or lets say about -80 to -108dB and lower.
It requires alot more juice from the battery and that causes overheating then after a time chipset death.
This is all based on tests done at home.. i contacted my provider and had a petition signed, they fixed the tower and the issue's with my phone's heat are gone!
Now that i have full signal strength the device has no heat or battery issue's at home.
The other problem you can face is only if you flash firmware with a baseband or a separate baseband.
Many times the baseband may not settle correctly.. this will lead to severe heat, restarts, laggs or even chipset death.
All of my theories have been properly tested and recreated and fixed to ensure that this info is correct.
Before you call me insane or retarded... test it first!!!
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You may very well be right on the issue of the GSM radio but..... Some earlier X10's were a lot more susceptible to this issue. My first X10 burned out in about 3 months and ran warm all the time, but in standby the replacement rarely gets warm unless I'm in a fringe area that only has edge coverage.
Anyway you don't know what a hot phone is until you've used the HTC Dream. At times you can almost cook eggs on it
GreatBigDog said:
You may very well be right on the issue of the GSM radio but..... Some earlier X10's were a lot more susceptible to this issue. My first X10 burned out in about 3 months and ran warm all the time, but in standby the replacement rarely gets warm unless I'm in a fringe area that only has edge coverage.
Anyway you don't know what a hot phone is until you've used the HTC Dream. At times you can almost cook eggs on it
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So true, but i have been seeing more and more reports of this issue.
And would like to simply give a solid answer to this.
This was not meant as a complaint, but more as a answer so as to end the scourge of that question once and for all.
A overheat that ends in a damaged device = a serious issue.
No worries here
I bought my x10 in march 2010, about a week or 2 after it become available in my country. And I must say that I never had any problems with it, except what all experienced with 1.6 version (slow, laggy, few small bugs).
Overheating was not an issue, even when I upgraded to 2.1 and recently to TripNMiUI (awesome rom btw). Only time I had problems was when I searched for the right rom flashed the wrong file and almost messed up my device.
The battery was above 40°C and went to 10% in like 3 hours Now about that GMS thing... at work I have almost all the time 2 bars of signal (see attachment, was at work from 5am to 2pm) the red bar is 1, orange 2, yellow 3....
and blue lines you see is when its scanning. Sometimes I lose signal for maybe 1 or 2 hours (and that sux) But I cant show you phone temp (dont know how), but it is almost never above 30°C , except when I play games and I do quite a lot
So after more than a year I still have original battery and lasts for 3 days tops, but usually its around day and a half. And I love my X10
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I bought my x10 in march 2010, about a week or 2 after it become available in my country. And I must say that I never had any problems with it, except what all experienced with 1.6 version (slow, laggy, few small bugs).
Overheating was not an issue, even when I upgraded to 2.1 and recently to TripNMiUI (awesome rom btw). Only time I had problems was when I searched for the right rom flashed the wrong file and almost messed up my device.
The battery was above 40°C and went to 10% in like 3 hours Now about that GMS thing... at work I have almost all the time 2 bars of signal (see attachment, was at work from 5am to 2pm) the red bar is 1, orange 2, yellow 3....
and blue lines you see is when its scanning. Sometimes I lose signal for maybe 1 or 2 hours (and that sux) But I cant show you phone temp (dont know how), but it is almost never above 30°C , except when I play games and I do quite a lot
So after more than a year I still have original battery and lasts for 3 days tops, but usually its around day and a half. And I love my X10
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It depends.. the heat is mostly created from using the GSM radio in these conditions. such as online usage.
Games are not the problem unless they make constant heavy use of the internet.
Also what was the ambient temperature when you are testing?
Well I do play cestos, and was playing pocket legends, both require constant internet connection. But the temperature still didn't go above 35 (was quite warm). You mean rom testing? I mostly try out the nearly finished roms, so never had any issues with rom functionality or temperature. Except when I tried z's alpha kernel. Then it was around 33-38°C. Now that I think about it when I'm flashing new rom it always goes above 30, but after some time drops down.
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Well I do play cestos, and was playing pocket legends, both require constant internet connection. But the temperature still didn't go above 35 (was quite warm). You mean rom testing? I mostly try out the nearly finished roms, so never had any issues with rom functionality or temperature. Except when I tried z's alpha kernel.
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Dude.. i'm taking about the stock 2.1 rom.
WB CM 3.16 v6 did me help alot.
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Now that I think about it when I'm flashing new rom it always goes above 30, but after some time drops down.
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Yeah thats the BB settling in nicely.. sometimes a few restarts or even the "white led of WTF crash" seems to sort it out.
averagely my phone will idle at 30 to 35*C but in usage it can climb above 40*c often.
My old motherboard reached a record High of 57*C just playing "robo defence" or even Hawx...
But here's one more test for you.
Once you need to charge plug it in and start using the internet for about 20 mins in a low signal area and watch that battery drain and the heat go thru the roof.
I never had this issue and i only get 1 to 2 bars only and it never went above 34 which is cool. Dunno about u guys but the only way i can overheat the phone is when playing heavy gunner and listening to music at the same time and the battery heat reaches 38 and it still works 100% with no trouble.
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viper619 said:
I never had this issue and i only get 1 to 2 bars only and it never went above 34 which is cool. Dunno about u guys but the only way i can overheat the phone is when playing heavy gunner and listening to music at the same time and the battery heat reaches 38 and it still works 100% with no trouble.
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Read it properly... i made a few edits just now to the first post.
These days on WB's rom.. i can play quake 2 death match online "with stencil shadows enabled" while listening to dimmu borgir" with no issue's..
but if i was on stock 2.1 or even the old motherboard.. forget about it.
And trust me many do have this issue.
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Before you call me insane or retarded... test it first!!!
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Lol u just reminded me of the good old days when our old physics teacher used to call us " u buys are mentaly retarded, u think urself superman to get electrified, albert eineshtein was an idiot, i'm better than him, u listen to me not to his equations, if not u fail, i know dark matter very well better than nasa, u mentaly retarded creatures, u fools, IDIOTS."
And about the dark matter thingy, he has a very dark black skin so i guess he knows dark matter better.
Am not a discriminant, i'm too slightly black
VIPER
My phone overheated only once when i baught it and the temp reached 47. But i had to send it to repairs for the broken usb connecter, maybe they fixed that issue.
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viper619 said:
Lol u just reminded me of the good old days when our old physics teacher used to call us " u buys are mentaly retarded, u think urself superman to get electrified, albert eineshtein was an idiot, i'm better than him, u listen to me not to his equations, if not u fail, i know dark matter very well better than nasa, u mentaly retarded creatures, u fools, IDIOTS."
And about the dark matter thingy, he has a very dark black skin so i know he knows dark matter better.
Am not a discriminant, i'm too slightly black
VIPER
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LMAO.. truly a wise and insane man.. ^_^
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Dude.. i'm taking about the stock 2.1 rom.
WB CM 3.16 v6 did me help alot.
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and how many ppl are still running stock 2.1? Everyone who is smart enough will go for custom roms/mods. they are all much better than stock no disrespect, just sayin
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The GMS radio in the x10 is not.. great.
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That's the same conclusion I came to.
When I was using the internet, my battery temp shot up and the phone would restart at 41-42 degrees (stock 1.6)
I got the motherboard replaced under warranty and I've never had a problem with it since
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and how many ppl are still running stock 2.1? Everyone who is smart enough will go for custom roms/mods. they are all much better than stock no disrespect, just sayin
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But it still has a effect on the phone.
But how many of us still flash roms or basebands?
Some versions of the board are way more unstable.. to be honest you have the most stable x10 i have seen out of the 13 i have seen here around me.
Also.. did you do the charging stress test?
It's more than just a single simple issue such as heat, it effects the battery life. "when the radio has to boost the signal"
And to be honest out of all of my phone this is the only one that loves to often drop my calls in bad conditions.
noob question coming: how do u do charging stress test? is this something like you test how long the battery lasts?
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noob question coming: how do u do charging stress test? is this something like you test how long the battery lasts?
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I posted it earlier.. lol. no problem.
Just go to a area with bad signal "low as in 1 to 2 bars", wait till the battery is getting low.
Start charging it and then use the "market or anything that constantly uses the radio and cpu" constantly for about 20mins while charging.
Watch the heat go up and the battery go down.
Also please note that if the ambient heat is very low then your phone should be reading much lower..
Not all of us get snow on this planet, some of us get heat stroke in the winter.
will try at work tomorrow, since i always get bad signal there.
I have also many problems with signal in places where i hadn`t before . And I'm from SPAIN with 4.0.2.A.0.42, even recommended to put it in airplane mode
In 4.0.2.A.0.58 update Are they fixed ?
Yes, using the lt15i rom and at certain spots, the signal will reset every hr or so. I am in canada with rogers
-58 baseband seems to help signal stability and battery life
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-58 baseband seems to help signal stability and battery life
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Are you sure ?
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Are you sure ?
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for me, .58 is by far having the best battery life for me....
Im on .58 still having this problem !
Is this doomkernel faulty? Im using doom kernel
I should note I use LT15a, you should state your model. I'm using doomkernel v15 with no issue, stock ROM otherwise.
I got problem with my Neo too since I update to .42. Not the biggest issue but I notice in the battery graph much more time without a signal than before. Stock ROM and Kernel here.
thats what i say.
anybody has the same problem
I dont know if its same as you guys but my bars are always fulklk cause I have very good signal in my area but if I go battery usage and click on the graph it shows my signal as orangy colour which means signal is crap. Normally its always green. I only noticied this since .42
Exactly the same men
Yes i'm also facing the same issue of signal drop and reception getting refreshed every time after update. Since i'm on 3G 24/7 I have also noticed that the phone gets bit heated up every time in standby also causing the battery drain fast.
Try the .368 baseband (-36) with the latest firmware. The reception issue will disappear. I'm using it for quite sometime and it's pretty stable and neat.
How I change the baseband ?
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How I change the baseband ?
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Use the latest Flashtool (Look into the development section) to flash baseband only from any ROM.
I didnt notice that.
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Well I flashed the ICS rom and all is well, I used the advanced stock kernel with CWM. Now today I have had no signal all day yet by battery has drained like you wouldnt believe. Yesterday I went all day and loads of juice left but I had signal today i had no signal and had my battery eaten ?
weird ?
Did you follow the whole procedure? looking at baseband, kernel and ICS Rom? If not please check it and redo the procedure.
Yes I did doh
Pc companion flashed the Rom
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And you wiped? That's usually the reason for signal loss.
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And you wiped? That's usually the reason for signal loss.
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Nope it's not the signal lose that's the problem its the drain, pc companion wipes it when it flashes
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Hi!
I have the "same" issue like yours. It's starting with battery drain and the end of no baseband version and can't get signal too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1602982
Like I said it's not the signal issues it's the battery drain while I have no signal
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chiefy009 said:
Like I said it's not the signal issues it's the battery drain while I have no signal
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Thats normal behavior... The phone will try to caught a signal at any coat hence the phone doesn't go to sleep and the heavy battery drain shows... Specially if you set the phone to 3G only and have no reception
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chiefy009 said:
Well I flashed the ICS rom and all is well, I used the advanced stock kernel with CWM. Now today I have had no signal all day yet by battery has drained like you wouldnt believe. Yesterday I went all day and loads of juice left but I had signal today i had no signal and had my battery eaten ?
weird ?
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the exact same thing happened to me too. there is something up with the new baseband, i see that my android-system has high usage ... the sony's ics roms' android system goes into a loop while trying to do syncs cuz of the baseband. try baseband .66
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Thats normal behavior... The phone will try to caught a signal at any coat hence the phone doesn't go to sleep and the heavy battery drain shows... Specially if you set the phone to 3G only and have no reception
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yeah, but the signal/reception was there. both my wifi and 3g were disconnected when i woke up while the cell signal was at 4 bars.
plus turning the 3g and the wifi off and back on fixed the issue. sony has had baseband problems with their ICS beta s well that baseband 66 fixed for me (all the other ones were causing sync-loops causing high android-system usage).
So the battery drain may be caused by baseband 70?
I have this problem and the GSM data transfer is measured by single digit Kbyte.
Once GSM data is off, battery stop dropping.
I have to depend on wifi until something turns up.
the current Nordic ICS FW was built for BB 70, hence it has BB libs in the rom. If your phone doesn't have BB 70 then you have a mismatch and all sorts of strangeness may occur.
either flash BB70 FW or flash the correct BB libs for your current BB.
I have problems with BB 70 too. My phone after a couple of hours, or after rebooting, says that the SIM card is Invalid.
If I flash BB 64 with its libs, then I hav signal but still the messaje "Invalid Sim card".
it's BB 70 the faulty one
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I have problems with BB 70 too. My phone after a couple of hours, or after rebooting, says that the SIM card is Invalid.
If I flash BB 64 with its libs, then I hav signal but still the messaje "Invalid Sim card".
it's BB 70 the faulty one
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flash BB 64 FW too. The libs need to match the BB FW.
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flash BB 64 FW too. The libs need to match the BB FW.
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Read again what I said.
Who else has this problem
The phone gets hot not warm not pleasant talking on it
Long calls are just not possible
Such a shame for a wonderful product
Its 2 days old
hbksabhi said:
Who else has this problem
The phone gets hot not warm not pleasant talking on it
Long calls are just not possible
Such a shame for a wonderful product
Its 2 days old
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My phone usually gets hot when I'm using 3g but don't get more than 2 bars of signal, try switching to 2g if you know that you're in a place where you won't get a good connection. Or even better, when you're talking, you might as well just turn mobile data off
vanmarek said:
My phone usually gets hot when I'm using 3g but don't get more than 2 bars of signal, try switching to 2g if you know that you're in a place where you won't get a good connection. Or even better, when you're talking, you might as well just turn mobile data off
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going to return the phone
what value for money in this phone i dont understand
it fails as a phone
what the use such cool hardware if the device get unusable just becoz its hot
no fun
relly dissapointed
Yes I am also facing this problem since I got it but their is a solution flash rasbeanjelly ROM and Trinity kernel if your familiar with rooting .
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GS150R said:
Yes I am also facing this problem since I got it but their is a solution flash rasbeanjelly ROM and Trinity kernel if your familiar with rooting .
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trinity or franco or faux ?
Have you tried flashing different radios? I would even flash back to stock, or try a different rom.
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Have you tried flashing different radios? I would even flash back to stock, or try a different rom.
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where are the radios and how to flash them ??
hbksabhi said:
where are the radios and how to flash them ??
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You really need to learn how to use the search, you sure you wouldnt prefer the iphone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2087227&highlight=radio
actually i never ran code most of the time and had A samsung Note and defy before which never required commands
no problem i will learn it now
iphone has toooo many restrictions and i dont have money tooo
op.. its supposed to get hot. that's why it has a glass back, to cool off quicker. thats why you feel the heat. if you are worried about heat, dont buy a quad core device. buy a dumb phone and itll remain cool.
but that is not a problem with s4 or note 2 ??
so that doesnt justify
hbksabhi said:
but that is not a problem with s4 or note 2 ??
so that doesnt justify
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its not a problem with the n4 either. the problem is all in your head. again, it has a glass back to transfer the heat out of the phone quicker. because its glass, you will feel it more. s4 and the note 2 have plastic backs, so you feel it less.
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besides op, what temperature is it reaching that you are complaining about, how it feels isnt an accurate temperature reading.
Guys stop embarrassing me
Actually I'm not comparing about heat on the back that's tolerable but its get way too got near the earpiece so that's why I'm complaining
I notice it a lot when I get a call in between my 3G usage
hbksabhi said:
Guys stop embarrassing me
Actually I'm not comparing about heat on the back that's tolerable but its get way too got near the earpiece so that's why I'm complaining
I notice it a lot when I get a call in between my 3G usage
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way too hot is what temperature(cpu temp)? im not trying to embarrass you, im trying to let you know that its normal, but you refuse to accept it. so, give more detail, what temp is your phone reaching? hot isnt an answer, hot and feel are relative terms.
The s4 does get hot too, I just had it.
But on the bright side, the nexus 4 is cozy in the winter
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way too hot is what temperature(cpu temp)? im not trying to embarrass you, im trying to let you know that its normal, but you refuse to accept it. so, give more detail, what temp is your phone reaching? hot isnt an answer, hot and feel are relative terms.
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i wasnt running anything yesterday to monitor temp ........
but right now i started using it
and only have battery temp with me and it says 36 degree celsius and whats the best app for cpu temp monitoring ??
hbksabhi said:
i wasnt running anything yesterday to monitor temp ........
but right now i started using it
and only have battery temp with me and it says 36 degree celsius and whats the best app for cpu temp monitoring ??
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there are a few out there, i use the trinity kernel toolbox app. just search cpu temp in the play store. for battery, 60C is the safety temp. for cpu, 95C or 100C is the safety temp. the cpu os near the top of the phone, thats why it feels hot near the earpiece. its normal for the phones cpu temp to shoot up while the cpu is being used. when the screen goes off, itll cool down quickly.
im using trinity kernel now and have installed the toolbox and it shoe 1026 hz clock ??
why is it undervolted ?
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im using trinity kernel now and have installed the toolbox and it shoe 1026 hz clock ??
why is it undervolted ?
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Thats not undervolted, and I suggest you dont touch voltages atm and if you do make sure "set on boot" isnt checked.
That speed is just set lower, not sure if that kernel does that for you but you can set that higher if you wish.
all right ....running trinity and its not that hot now
Hello,
I have always had problems with this phone since i got it in 2013 where I always got awful battery life on 3G (not for Wi-Fi or LTE) where the battery drops pretty quick and when I use it continuously the top part gets so hot it's impossible to touch (75°C). Since I tried every possible rom/bl/csc/modem/sim/network I'm starting to think this was never an issues with me but with the hardware. I wanna say goodbye to this nightmare buying a new phone and it would be pretty cool to finally get an answer.
Is there anyone with similar results?
I only got such temperatures while playing games like GTA San Andreas.
It does get warm while downloading stuff over Wi-Fi or mobile data, but no 75 °C.
That's what I thought. Thanks.
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If anyone is interested in testing for me. What I do to get that heat is just switch to 3G and then use chrome for a few minutes. It will soon peak to 75-78°C and become unbearable to touch under the Samsung logo, along with pretty fast battery drain. One you switch back to WiFi or LTE the heat goes down and it will just stay hot but nothing worrying. The position seems to point where the modem is. I tried to clean contacts inside and fix with a heatgun but nothing worked. The strange things is that it happens only with 3G AND it drains the battery also and it doesn't affect where the GSM antenna is. This is really weird.
I realized this issue only a few months ago when my provider covered my area uniformly with 4G and seen that it would not heat as much as I was used to.
The same as my problem
-sandro- said:
Hello,
I have always had problems with this phone since i got it in 2013 where I always got awful battery life on 3G (not for Wi-Fi or LTE) where the battery drops pretty quick and when I use it continuously the top part gets so hot it's impossible to touch (75°C). Since I tried every possible rom/bl/csc/modem/sim/network I'm starting to think this was never an issues with me but with the hardware. I wanna say goodbye to this nightmare buying a new phone and it would be pretty cool to finally get an answer.
Is there anyone with similar results?
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+1
with wifi and usual using the temp become between 50-65 easly but i don't know what i do !!!
What rom are u using? I saw on a forum same problem with overheating caused by sd card . Try without sd card if the heat is not like before , move ure sd card data to PC , format ure card then move ure data back and put it on the phone
AoMine said:
What rom are u using? I saw on a forum same problem with overheating caused by sd card . Try without sd card if the heat is not like before , move ure sd card data to PC , format ure card then move ure data back and put it on the phone
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I tried everything you can image it's independent from ROM, bootloader, modem, sd card, tw or custom roms.
El massry said:
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with wifi and usual using the temp become between 50-65 easly but i don't know what i do !!!
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do you also get quick battery drain on 3G like me?
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I tried everything you can image it's independent from ROM, bootloader, modem, sd card, tw or custom roms.
do you also get quick battery drain on 3G like me?
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Yes i get quick battery drain on 3G
In maximum 1.5 hours ?
El massry said:
Yes i get quick battery drain on 3G
In maximum 1.5 hours
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I wish I knew this before the warranty expired