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Hey, I was thinking about getting the Arc, but I' wondering how good the battery life is, and just in genera; how good the phone is? Once it's rooted, what else can you do on it without being able to load custom roms?
MouthTalker said:
Hey, I was thinking about getting the Arc, but I' wondering how good the battery life is
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It is a smart phone and battery life differs from a person to another. Do you want me to say its good? On my side, I like the battery life and I think it is totally enough for me.
+PS there are more threads about this and next time try to search before posting a new one.
Cheers
Nimche said:
It is a smart phone and battery life differs from a person to another. Do you want me to say its good? On my side, I like the battery life and I think it is totally enough for me.
+PS there are more threads about this and next time try to search before posting a new one.
Cheers
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Sorry, I pressed enter while typing the title and it submitted the post for me. I was also wondering about the usefulness of rooting the phone as I mentioned in my edit.
from what I have seen and experienced from Android, root is a nice feature to get rid of unwanted extra stuff, system files and files came from your carrier and even SE stuff that you don't need. Without them, phone runs faster and battery is better.
Rooting process is easy and no risk in it at least for me but you have to be sure that you know what is going on and how to fix if anything happens instead of freakin out.
+ custom ROM won't happen on rooted devices, you need a unbranded device which can have a unlocked booloader later for custom ROMs/
So I take it that just unbranding the phone following the guides on here isn't enough to get SE to unlock the Bootloader?
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So I take it that just unbranding the phone following the guides on here isn't enough to get SE to unlock the Bootloader?
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well no.
Your phone needs to be bootloader unlockable. It means that phone it self has to come unbranded from Sony Ericsson factory, means no carrier every put their hands on the phone then bootloader on your phone may get unlocked.
hi..you don't necessarily need boot loader unlocked devices for custom roms.. they managed it on x10 for 6 months or so..
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im_iceman said:
hi..you don't necessarily need boot loader unlocked devices for custom roms.. they managed it on x10 for 6 months or so..
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Right, I meant more like full functional ROM including kernel tweaks but I guess they are achieving that as well. I am running "J" 2.3 on my X10 too with bunch of WLODs
Hi Guys,
I am considering buying the Google Nexus 4, for the price it seems like the best bang for the buck phone and I cant seem to find anything better in its price range.
My biggest issue with it is the darn on screen buttons that waste screen space, I really wish they had move these to hardware but for some baffling reason they left them on screen.
For this reason I will need to root the dvice as those on screen buttons will annoy me to no end. However, it seems rooting the new android is a lot more complicated then it was before, this brings me to my first 2 questions
- Do you have to unlock to root? Is there no method to root without unlocking (I just dont want to void the warranty).
- What is the best method for unlocking? I've seen a few guides kicking around, some using ADB Fastboot/something else and another using the Nexust Root Toolkit. Though I havent been fully satisified with any of these guides, could you point me to the best and safest method for rooting?
With regards to unlocking and the warranty, I've read that people say the warranty states unlokcing "may" void your warranty. Doe anyone know if it really does? Any experienced sending an unlocked phone for warranty service?
My last question is regarding the GPS, we want to be able to use the phone for Geocaching but have no interest in a data plan, the specs of the phone say that it has GPS but does this mean it actually has a GPS receiver that does not rely on a data plan?
Thanks for all your help guys!
anyone of the pinned threads for rooting will work just fine. Also the toolkits are simple to use. Its unlock bootloader which is a simple command and fastboot your recovery which again is simple and then you are on your way. Of course any changes to your phone will void warranty but its not like you cant set it back to stock. GPS works with data but the wifi geolocation I believe does not need data.
All in all its a simple phone to root and best bang for your buck no need to worry bout rooting and flashing roms since yes they are both simple and new 4.3 method is no different than any other as long as you flash SuperSu.
You also have a few roms that let you adjust the navigation keys at the bottom for more real estate on the phone screen
Dont over think everything and just sit back and enjoy :good:
Thanks for the info Playa, I appreciate it.
So the GPS works without data though righ? We have no plans to get data any time in the forseeable future, we've been using our Asus Infinity but its just so big that it's a pain to carry around with you when your hiking. If I load up some offline maps and the geo caching app then the gps will work offline just like on our Infinity? (hopefully a bit better actually as the gps on the infinity is a bit wonky).
The only other device I've rooted was the Infinity which was running ICS at the time, it was much more simple, just ran a program, hit yes a couple times and it was done. Wonder why no one has made a method for rooting without the need to unlock.
u50r said:
Thanks for the info Playa, I appreciate it.
So the GPS works without data though righ? We have no plans to get data any time in the forseeable future, we've been using our Asus Infinity but its just so big that it's a pain to carry around with you when your hiking. If I load up some offline maps and the geo caching app then the gps will work offline just like on our Infinity? (hopefully a bit better actually as the gps on the infinity is a bit wonky).
The only other device I've rooted was the Infinity which was running ICS at the time, it was much more simple, just ran a program, hit yes a couple times and it was done. Wonder why no one has made a method for rooting without the need to unlock.
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Rooting nexus devices really hasn't changed much over the years. It's actually super easy. There are/have been exploits for rooting without unlocking, but I don't know if they still work.
GPS works fine without a data connection as long as you have the map data saved offline.
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Great, thanks! I'll likely order one in the morning, unless anyone can suggest a better phone for the price but if there is one then I can't find it.
About roms and stuff, I've never installed custom roms or anything, I only rooted my Asus Infinity to get rid of the nav bar on the bottom really. But They do intrigue me a bit, is installing custom roms a safe process? Also, could you suggest some good solid roms for the nexus 4? Preferably something that does not use fixed on screen buttons or has the capability to auto hide them,.
u50r said:
Great, thanks! I'll likely order one in the morning, unless anyone can suggest a better phone for the price but if there is one then I can't find it.
About roms and stuff, I've never installed custom roms or anything, I only rooted my Asus Infinity to get rid of the nav bar on the bottom really. But They do intrigue me a bit, is installing custom roms a safe process? Also, could you suggest some good solid roms for the nexus 4? Preferably something that does not use fixed on screen buttons or has the capability to auto hide them,.
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Stock 4.3 rom is good for me combined with a custom kernel like Franco kernel. for hiding the on screen buttons just add `qemu.hw.mainkeys=1` to the buildprop and reboot and use LMT launcher for Pie Control. Rooting 4.3 isn`t any less easier than it was btw, just flash an custom recovery and flash this zip http://download.chainfire.eu/346/SuperSU/UPDATE-SuperSU-v1.55.zip and you`re rooted. Install superSU app from Play also if needed off course.
Great, I'll have to check that out.
But I gotta beg to differ a little bit with the ease of rooting, I'm sure to you guys that have been doing this all the time you could do it in your sleep but with my Asus Infinity all I literally had to do was plug it into the PC, run the rooting tool and hit yes like twice and it was done, no unlocking, no installing custom recoveries, no flashing anything or any of that.
Just wanted to add something, if you are still worried about the GPS.
I am abroad at the moment, so no data. Loaded up maps while on WiFi at a friends house, then let it guide me through Madrid center.
Worked like a charm.
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u50r said:
Great, I'll have to check that out.
But I gotta beg to differ a little bit with the ease of rooting, I'm sure to you guys that have been doing this all the time you could do it in your sleep but with my Asus Infinity all I literally had to do was plug it into the PC, run the rooting tool and hit yes like twice and it was done, no unlocking, no installing custom recoveries, no flashing anything or any of that.
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Here is a one click tool http://download.chainfire.eu/297/CF-Root/CF-Auto-Root/CF-Auto-Root-mako-occam-nexus4.zip. Extract it and boot your phone in bootloader mode and click root-windows (if you run windows off course).
u50r said:
Great, I'll have to check that out.
But I gotta beg to differ a little bit with the ease of rooting, I'm sure to you guys that have been doing this all the time you could do it in your sleep but with my Asus Infinity all I literally had to do was plug it into the PC, run the rooting tool and hit yes like twice and it was done, no unlocking, no installing custom recoveries, no flashing anything or any of that.
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simply read the instructions over and over and over again. also the toolkits is easy enough because you only have to press a few buttons. I know we say its easy but its like anything else you just have to read slow follow directions or check out videos on youtube for it...
Thanks for the link gee2012, I'll have to give that one a go.
So what do you guys think is the best kernel? Been watching some reviews, seems the Franco kernel is very good for battery life, but th Matr1x kernel seems to also be good at battery life while providing a fair bit more performance then stock. Any thoughts? Do they all provide the ability to hide the navigation buttons or do I still have to get another app to do that?
Simple poll, I'm wondering how many people couldn't wait for root and just unlocked their BL.
No
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Until now I'm surprised that so few people have unlocked theirs.
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Not yet. The dev scene for the Z3/Z3C is absolutely abysmal (kudos to the few devs working on it though), but I'm waiting for either a fully functional AOSP ROM or a locked BL rooting method. Will root when either becomes available.
I can't!
Grrr...
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i prolly would if i could. my bootloader is locked by my carrier.
Yes.
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Yes.
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Did it have any effect on the camera and low light like ppl are assuming? Does remote play still work for the PS4?
I'll wait. Not unlocked yet, and if there never exists an exploit - i don't unlock my BL.
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Nop. I really don't want to loose any features. So I'm hoping someone finds a way of rooting without unlocking.
Not yet. I'm just waiting for a couple solid custom roms to hit the scene to put me over the edge.
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Did it have any effect on the camera and low light like ppl are assuming? Does remote play still work for the PS4?
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It have any effect on the camera .Especially,on low light. I do not have PS4,So unable to test.
nope, not yet, main reason what i read about the photos quality in auto.
I'm also not sure what happens with warranty in case of a problem (don't know if you can revert the phone to its stock condition and claim the warranty)
Not yet but seriously thinking about it. Not bothered about the camera issues as they seem fairly insignificant if using flash. As for the sound, it's pretty crap as it is..all phones sound better with viper4android anyway. The only thing stopping me is lack of custom roms, if slim or candyRom were available I'd root for sure
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AnGrY sCoTsMaN said:
Not yet but seriously thinking about it. Not bothered about the camera issues as they seem fairly insignificant if using flash. As for the sound, it's pretty crap as it is..all phones sound better with viper4android anyway. The only thing stopping me is lack of custom roms, if slim or candyRom were available I'd root for sure
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I'm also torn between those two things, custom roms will come, I don't doubt that at all, I can live without custom roms for now, but I can't really live without V4A, especially since I'm going on a month+ vacation
and carrying about 70gb of music with me, then the sound really needs to be perfect.
The only thing worrying me right now, is what if Sony decides to bring out some software/algorithm that improves the camera a lot, but only works when your DRM keys are intact.
Once root is there without having to unlock the BL custom roms will come by "masses" I hope/think.
I still have about 5 days to think about my decision....
No Just wait for root and save DRM key before
I didn't but i bougnt an used z3c and when i tried to update it with pc companion i realized it was unlocked. Now bad camera but it is rooted
So, I've been at this Android thing for a very long time, and had unofficially retired from the XDA world when I bought a GS7 because I never thought rooting would even be possible. Well, now that I've rooted the phone and experimented with a custom ROM, I've come up with a question I don't know that I've ever had or read before.
I'm struggling with whether or not to stay in the rooted universe because I had come to take advantage of Samsung Pay quite often, and I didn't realize the battery difference would be what it is.
I want my phone rooted for two primary reasons, 1) to hack the provisioning so that I can use the native hotspot feature without needing a special app like FoxFi, and 2) to be able to remove all the crapware these phones come with.
So.. Theoretically here..... Shouldn't it be possible to root my phone, remove the crap, hack the provisioning, and then unroot the phone, revert back to the stock kernel, get my battery life back, and use Samsung Pay again? I never did load Samsung Pay on this phone since I've rooted it.
I saw psouza's unrooting guide but if I recall it was a destructive process..... I'd like to see if there's a way to root, set things up, then unroot and restore the phone to a state that maintains the hotspot hack and makes Samsung Pay happy.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s7/help/magisk-t3462583/post68962510
I had the same question. Apparently if you alter the system the stock boot image/kernal will not boot.
You will get a verity error.
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I had the same question. Apparently if you alter the system the stock boot image/kernal will not boot.
You will get a verity error.
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well poo....I wonder....since the S7 is still relatively new to hacking....I wonder if someone can figure out a workaround that would allow for tampering first, and a successful unrooting afterward. Or maybe this is a Android-wide problem...I've never really thought about this particular approach before....I've always just been always rooted, or never rooted.
I also have this hope that someone will figure out how to spoof whatever is necessary in order for Samsung Pay to still work.
I am using stang5.0liter's ROM and the only slight issue is the battery.......phone runs smoothly for me.....if Samsung Pay worked on this ROM I wouldn't even care about my initial question here.
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well poo....I wonder....since the S7 is still relatively new to hacking....I wonder if someone can figure out a workaround that would allow for tampering first, and a successful unrooting afterward. Or maybe this is a Android-wide problem...I've never really thought about this particular approach before....I've always just been always rooted, or never rooted.
I also have this hope that someone will figure out how to spoof whatever is necessary in order for Samsung Pay to still work.
I am using stang5.0liter's ROM and the only slight issue is the battery.......phone runs smoothly for me.....if Samsung Pay worked on this ROM I wouldn't even care about my initial question here.
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It will not work. The original kernel for the device checks system verity. This is a part of locked boot loaders and android M+. If one bit of information is changed the original kernel will not boot. The reason we can root with the engineer kernel is it does not do this. Due to being in a "custom" status and non original kernel Samsung pay will not work nor will it ever work with this root method.
You have ruined my life with this response
So, why is the performance so bad on the engineering kernal?
spearoid said:
You have ruined my life with this response
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Just the messenger lol. But honestly I can live without root. If I desperately needed root I wouldn't have bought a Samsung device as they are not the best for it. If you NEED root next time look more towards Nexus Phones, now Pixel and WAY over priced imo. Or research which phones have good root with an unlockable BL. For that I would stray from VZW branded devices and buy an unlocked version from the manufacturer that is compatible with VZW
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So, why is the performance so bad on the engineering kernal?
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It was used for internal testing for Samsung. This was an early version of the first kernel they had for the S7, I believe and correct me if I am wrong anyone. It was fine tuned and then released but the engineering kernel was left in the dust.
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Just the messenger lol. But honestly I can live without root. If I desperately needed root I wouldn't have bought a Samsung device as they are not the best for it. If you NEED root next time look more towards Nexus Phones, now Pixel and WAY over priced imo. Or research which phones have good root with an unlockable BL. For that I would stray from VZW branded devices and buy an unlocked version from the manufacturer that is compatible with VZW
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I don't need to have root. I bought this phone fully expecting to never be able to root it again. After several months of non root usage, it was very nice to enjoy some of the luxuries of a rooted phone again. I'm still torn as to which direction to go. I use the hotspot feature daily, and it works much better now than in the unrooted world for me at least.
I just wanted to see if there was any hope for having the best of both worlds.
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I don't need to have root. I bought this phone fully expecting to never be able to root it again. After several months of non root usage, it was very nice to enjoy some of the luxuries of a rooted phone again. I'm still torn as to which direction to go. I use the hotspot feature daily, and it works much better now than in the unrooted world for me at least.
I just wanted to see if there was any hope for having the best of both worlds.
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I was too until the pokemon update lol then I decided no root.
I recently got this 6P, commingled from a rooted, unlocked, cm13 HTC one m9, would it be worth it to still root? I loved tweaking my m9, unfortunately it was an att version. So it was really hard to find Roms and tweaks that worked for it. I love my 6P so far and it performs wonderfully, just lacks that extra bit of tweaking.
Etheralrealm said:
I recently got this 6P, commingled from a rooted, unlocked, cm13 HTC one m9, would it be worth it to still root? I loved tweaking my m9, unfortunately it was an att version. So it was really hard to find Roms and tweaks that worked for it. I love my 6P so far and it performs wonderfully, just lacks that extra bit of tweaking.
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There are a lot of Roms, mods and kernels available for the 6P. If you like customizing your phone then you should go for it.
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There are a lot of Roms, mods and kernels available for the 6P. If you like customizing your phone then you should go for it.
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Oh yea, i know you can install custom kernals to overclock, do you know of any good ones?
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Oh yea, i know you can install custom kernals to overclock, do you know of any good ones?
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I don't think it's necessary to overclock the 6P. The most popular kernels are probably Franco's if battery life is your main concern or Elemental if you want more control over performance than you get with the stock kernel. I increased my battery life a bit by switching to Elemental but I didn't use any settings that would negatively affect performance, which is more important to me than battery life. Pure Nexus is a very popular Rom, although I didn't personally have a good experience with that one. I'm happy with Cortex. Some people prefer Megapixel. There's lots of custom ROMs depending on what you are looking for. Just browse through the development threads on XDA.
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I don't think it's necessary to overclock the 6P. The most popular kernels are probably Franco's if battery life is your main concern or Elemental if you want more control over performance than you get with the stock kernel. I increased my battery life a bit by switching to Elemental but I didn't use any settings that would negatively affect performance, which is more important to me than battery life. Pure Nexus is a very popular Rom, although I didn't personally have a good experience with that one. I'm happy with Cortex. Some people prefer Megapixel. There's lots of custom ROMs depending on what you are looking for. Just browse through the development threads on XDA.
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Ive been thinking about it for a while now, had everything downloaded. thanks, just installed Lineage OS.
It was not worth to root, actually, until Nougat was released. I remember getting very quick updates, that were actually improving user experience. I was actually a very pro-stock person, but recently i rooted my phone and installed Pure Nexus. Not going to stock anytime soon
IMO there is plenty to keep your tweaking urge satisfied even if you choose to just run the stock rom, rooted with a good kernel. Monthly updates, great root apps and rock solid. Regardless, you'll definitely want to unlock the bootloader and enable USB debugging. Don't worry about the persistent boot nag screen about locking the bootloader- It's normal. Best of luck.
Hi Guys, I've unlocked the phone and rooted as well. Running megapixel ROM now and I'm very pleased with the pixel experience.
Only thing that bothers my OCD is the warning screen when I turn on the phone that says phone cannot be checked for corrupted software or something. It says to lock the bootloader. I have seen some posts over here on XDA saying that even if I restore back to stock completely using the the factory images, that message won't go away. I wonder what will happen when I sell it...
Rooting back in the day (CM6 era) provided usefulness in providing features that were not available from factory.
Nowadays, OEM software has implemented many of those features to their devices which eliminates the need to root for a lot of people. Now that updates are once a month, it makes it an inconvenience to having to update properly. Safetynet doesn't pass without configurations and may fail in the future when the new exploits are patched. You'll also have to factory reset during version updates which make it a hassle.
IMO, rooting nowadays causes more of an inconvenience than purpose. I prefer getting updates quickly and easily without having to fiddle around and everything works as it should.
The main question is, what is the REAL reason why you're wanting to root? If it's solely for the purpose of feeling like you modified something your phone, then I would say keep it unrooted unless your willing to lose all your data when a major version comes out.
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If you want to use your phone outdoor with a decent screen brightness, you'll have to root.
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If you want to use your phone outdoor with a decent screen brightness, you'll have to root.
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Unfortunately, this will cause screen burn-in earlier.
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ceo.mtcl said:
Hi Guys, I've unlocked the phone and rooted as well. Running megapixel ROM now and I'm very pleased with the pixel experience.
Only thing that bothers my OCD is the warning screen when I turn on the phone that says phone cannot be checked for corrupted software or something. It says to lock the bootloader. I have seen some posts over here on XDA saying that even if I restore back to stock completely using the the factory images, that message won't go away. I wonder what will happen when I sell it...
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The message will go away if you restore fully to stock and then relock the bootloader.
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The message will go away if you restore fully to stock and then relock the bootloader.
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Thank you for confirming. I really hope that it goes away after full restore to factory settings. Is there any zip file available, flashing which will make it go away while I am on custom ROM? Or does it always stay on all custom ROMs?
ceo.mtcl said:
Only thing that bothers my OCD is the warning screen when I turn on the phone that says phone cannot be checked for corrupted software or something. It says to lock the bootloader. I have seen some posts over here on XDA saying that even if I restore back to stock completely using the the factory images, that message won't go away. I wonder what will happen when I sell it...
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Don't worry about it. The nag warning is only present when your bootloader is unlocked, and you should leave your bootloader permanently unlocked. Eventually you won't even notice or care. If/when you return to stock, re-lock the bootloader and it will be gone.
richii0207 said:
Rooting back in the day (CM6 era) provided usefulness in providing features that were not available from factory.
Nowadays, OEM software has implemented many of those features to their devices which eliminates the need to root for a lot of people. Now that updates are once a month, it makes it an inconvenience to having to update properly. Safetynet doesn't pass without configurations and may fail in the future when the new exploits are patched. You'll also have to factory reset during version updates which make it a hassle.
IMO, rooting nowadays causes more of an inconvenience than purpose. I prefer getting updates quickly and easily without having to fiddle around and everything works as it should.
The main question is, what is the REAL reason why you're wanting to root? If it's solely for the purpose of feeling like you modified something your phone, then I would say keep it unrooted unless your willing to lose all your data when a major version comes out.
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Some people prefer custom ROMs that give you features not included in stock Android. ROMs with Pixel features for instance are popular on the 6P and its unlikely most of those features will come to stock.