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[Q] Any real benefit in rooting your xoom???

Hey guys I'm just wondering if there is a real benefit to rooting at this point. I'm really pro rooting your devices but I want to see a real benefit to it too.
Am I missing something but as of now I cant really find a real motive to Root my xoom considering also that I will have to do a factory reset and revert to unrooted unlock stock for the LTE upgrade.
Can anyone that has rooted his Xoom give me their feedback on their experience and benefits they found by rooting?
And yes, I know the 1.5 GHz overclock but is that enough?...
Thanks.

Of course, you can play Donkey Kong on it

yankele said:
Hey guys I'm just wondering if there is a real benefit to rooting at this point. I'm really pro rooting your devices but I want to see a real benefit to it too.
Am I missing something but as of now I cant really find a real motive to Root my xoom considering also that I will have to do a factory reset and revert to unrooted unlock stock for the LTE upgrade.
Can anyone that has rooted his Xoom give me their feedback on their experience and benefits they found by rooting?
And yes, I know the 1.5 GHz overclock but is that enough?...
Thanks.
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Motorola has said you do NOT need to unroot your device if you want the 4G upgrade. They said they will still install the modem and try to install the software needed. If the software doesn't work, they will still ship it back to you, but now you have to figure out how get the software to work.
In all likelihood, if you're just rooting so you can install some basic apps. You won't have an issue, but if for some reason you're flashing to different roms, then yes you would have to take a little time to either revert back to stock, or get it back and figure out how to install the modem software yourself.

if your asking this question then must not have done enough research or you shouldnt even bother attempting to root

I have done a lot of research and every day go to xoom android development to keep up to date with whats happening but I wanted to ask people who rooted already what are their experience with it.
As of now there is no custom ROM but there is a kernel and a few boot screens but and the overcloking but I from the outside IDK what are people experiencing on a rooted xoom that makes a lot of difference from my non rooted one.
And I may not have a lot of posts in the forums but even tho I'm no expert I'm not a complete stranger to rooting.

If you are so talented in rooting, you should already be aware of the benefits. If what you see in the development section isn't enough to satisfy you then simply don't do it.
Rooting opens doors to custom system-level themes, custom ROMs, root required apps, custom kernels, and so forth. Obviously you know this much and half of it isn't available on the Xoom at the time. It may just not be worth it.

Eclair~ said:
If you are so talented in rooting, you should already be aware of the benefits. If what you see in the development section isn't enough to satisfy you then simply don't do it.
Rooting opens doors to custom system-level themes, custom ROMs, root required apps, custom kernels, and so forth. Obviously you know this much and half of it isn't available on the Xoom at the time. It may just not be worth it.
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^^^ Exactly what i was trying to imply well put ^^^

Eclair~ said:
If you are so talented in rooting, you should already be aware of the benefits. If what you see in the development section isn't enough to satisfy you then simply don't do it.
Rooting opens doors to custom system-level themes, custom ROMs, root required apps, custom kernels, and so forth. Obviously you know this much and half of it isn't available on the Xoom at the time. It may just not be worth it.
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He didn't say that he was a pro "at" rooting devices, rather he was pro rooting devices (ie. He's generally in support of the idea).
Sent from my Xoom using XDA Premium App

I'm no rooting expert, or anything close to that title.
Thanks for your response, and yes, I agree with you about the fact that many of the features that we enjoyed in our phones being rooted are still not working for HC.
That's why I was asking if there is anything that I will like and that I'm missing at this point being that I enjoy other devs work but I'm not able to develop on my own.
Anyways I think maybe rooting may not be for me at this point, but I'm really looking forward for something worth rooting my $800 toy!
Thanks

gigglebox said:
He didn't say that he was a pro "at" rooting devices, rather he was pro rooting devices (ie. He's generally in support of the idea).
Sent from my Xoom using XDA Premium App
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That is correct, I missed that part in my previous response.
Thank you!

I finally rooted my evo to freely tether my xoom! But no, I havent seen a compelling reason to root the xoom yet, with so many expected critical software updates coming in the future (4g, flash, sd card) I'll personally wait a bit until at least the sd card update is pushed (fingers crossed)

hi_its_ryan said:
But no, I havent seen a compelling reason to root the xoom yet, with so many expected critical software updates coming in the future (4g, flash, sd card) I'll personally wait a bit until at least the sd card update is pushed (fingers crossed)
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This is my exact feelings. I'm waiting for the Xoom to become the device it's supposed to be before I get too into tinkering with it. Eventually I will go the rooting route, but not quite yet.

That is what I needed to hear, from normal people like me that had rooted already.
I guess if would have a data plan with vzw it would make more sense to root now but since I don't, and there is not a custom rom and I'll have to revert to stock if I want the software update when I send my xoom for the LTE upgrade, I'm not gonna be rooting yet all tho I'm dying to root, or maybe I'll root just for the fun of it because anyways I flash a new rom almost every week or twice a week so the reverting to stock may not be any harder to do.
I'll see....
Thanks for your feedback guys!
Sent from my HTC EVO running MYN's WARM Z using the XDA app.

hi_its_ryan said:
I finally rooted my evo to freely tether my xoom! But no, I havent seen a compelling reason to root the xoom yet, with so many expected critical software updates coming in the future (4g, flash, sd card) I'll personally wait a bit until at least the sd card update is pushed (fingers crossed)
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You're still able to get those updates even while being rooted. You won't however, once you choose to install a custom rom on it... made possible by rooting.

Can someone just help the Guy/Girl?
come on now. It seems like everyother thread has someone saying "If you know so much blah blah" We all know he doesn't know, which is the point of his thread. To Learn.
You don't need to come in here and try to insult him/her and tell em that if they don't know they don't need to bother rooting, etc.
If you have rooted, What have you done with your device that would make a knowledgeable end user want to root? Thats all he wants to know.
I wish I could help, but this Xoom is my first android device.
I am looking forward to rooting for my first time, and playing with everything, but personally I am just going to wait till after the LTE upgrade just to save myself a headache.
Maybe someone could help me with this question. Since after rooting/flashing ROMs might cause Moto's software for the 4g Radio to work improperly, does that mean if I wait till after the LTE upgrade, rooting/flashing might cause the Radio to not work?
Or is it somehow, once the software is on there, changing the ROMs and Permissions won't affect the Radio?

yankele said:
That is what I needed to hear, from normal people like me that had rooted already.
I guess if would have a data plan with vzw it would make more sense to root now but since I don't, and there is not a custom rom and I'll have to revert to stock if I want the software update when I send my xoom for the LTE upgrade, I'm not gonna be rooting yet all tho I'm dying to root, or maybe I'll root just for the fun of it because anyways I flash a new rom almost every week or twice a week so the reverting to stock may not be any harder to do.
I'll see....
Thanks for your feedback guys!
Sent from my HTC EVO running MYN's WARM Z using the XDA app.
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Did you not read the third post of this thread? It doesn't matter if you root the device or not, You'll get the 4G update. However if you're running a custom rom, they might not be able to install the software for the modem, in which case, you need to do it yourself. If you keep the stock rom and stay rooted, I doubt you would have any problems.

The third post in no way answers his question. Nor do the posts to "research." Don't be a ****, either answer the question or ignore it. The question is a reasonable one and posted in general.
In my opinion right now there is not a need to root right now unless:
-you want to deploy a custom Tom
-you want to overclock
-you want to customize the default rom. .. I.e. remove default applications such as the games, replace system files for turning purposes, etc...
-you want to run an application that requires root.
Until you have a desire or need that requires root there is no need to root the device. If you do root though Motorola seems (as stated in post 3) willing to upgrade the device at a minimum. So fear of ineligibility for the upgrade should not be a deterrent to upgrading.
Sent from my Xoom using XDA App

JayBeezy802 said:
Did you not read the third post of this thread? It doesn't matter if you root the device or not, You'll get the 4G update. However if you're running a custom rom, they might not be able to install the software for the modem, in which case, you need to do it yourself. If you keep the stock rom and stay rooted, I doubt you would have any problems.
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I did read it but if you read my post I'm acknowledging that my device will get the LTE upgrade no matter what, but I don't want to take the risk to not be able to get the software upgrade just because they see my xoom is unlocked and rooted.
If you read the Motorola moderator in that forum he says more or less that if you are rooted pretty much don't get the software... and you know they could use any kind of excuses to not do it.
But still I might root just for the fun of it and going back to stock just to ne safe and not have to look for the freacking thing myself.
Sent from my HTC EVO running MYN's WARM Z using the XDA app.

yankele said:
Hey guys I'm just wondering if there is a real benefit to rooting at this point. I'm really pro rooting your devices but I want to see a real benefit to it too.
Am I missing something but as of now I cant really find a real motive to Root my xoom considering also that I will have to do a factory reset and revert to unrooted unlock stock for the LTE upgrade.
Can anyone that has rooted his Xoom give me their feedback on their experience and benefits they found by rooting?
And yes, I know the 1.5 GHz overclock but is that enough?...
Thanks.
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My main motive is nothing more than having the capability of defying the machine/syztem

I rooted and OC'd with both BidDogs and Koush's kernels.
I had reboot issues with both (not complaining here). Had it OC'd for about 4 days, tried BD update this morning and still did the reboot thing (sometimes several times an hour). MOST peoples OC seems to be wokring well.
Other then that, while rooted I didn't really do much other then poke around as su in the file system.
This morning i flashed back using the SFB file. I will try to root it again and OC if my xoom remains solid for the next day...maybe i did one of the steps wrong somewhere.
So to finally answer your question, I had a awsome time rooting/OC'ing and learned quite a bit doing so!

Warning about root

if you root this phone and trip knox fuse counter. you will NEVER EVER be able to use the great feature of MST through samsung pay.
My thoughts . since we have a non root hotspot and all bloatware (which isnt that much) can be disabled
the phone has so much customization incl uded i am not rooting the phone. the battery lasts 2 days easy with medium
use. no bugs at all i can find. what more can you ask for.
Remember Root no MST (mst is the ability to use the old card swipers at any location with the phone. it sends card you addeds magnetic strip info to the swiper )
UNLESS you can root without tripping the know counter. its unreversalble
carry on

First phone I've owned that I dont see myself rooting. I really like the Samsung Pay.

Yea I'm coming from the S6 and couldn't use it but enjoying Samsung Pay now

You don't have to worry about that. All US versions are locked down. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3327399

After 8 generations of HTC phones, I decided to try Samsung this year as M10 rumors were they were ditching Boomsound my favorite feature of the M phones. I felt edge was far superior this year at least based on the rumors which getting this close to launch are usually spot on. I was well aware that I was going to have to decide to trip knox or not if I wanted root. While there is more customization and control with Android 6 it still doesn't compare to having everything wide open, especially if you are use to S-OFF.
Is the trade off worth it? Well I think so at least right now, this device is superior to pretty much anything out at the moment. I'm already missing Xposed, Titanium Backup & AdAway. The lock down on these devices is just getting so bad, while I understand they shouldn't come rooted out of the box but give us a choice. We may not even have the option of tripping Knox at this point. Part of the reason I stayed with Sprint for so long is they were more friendly with unlocking phones then big red but everything seems to be going the wrong direction.
Even if root is granted, it will just be patched and it's only going to get more secure and difficult each generation. I guess we just might have to start accepting that this is just how it is. Kinda sad, I'm just so use to having it even back in the Windows Mobile days I was running custom roms.

v8dreaming said:
You don't have to worry about that. All US versions are locked down. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3327399
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No they are already rooted with custom kernels and roms deodexed and odexed

These boys dont.play

Yess of course

I'm fine removing Samsung Pay if I get the benefits of rooting.

Robalboa said:
Works on our phones http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3335727
ROM stock firmware Samsung Galaxy S7 EDGE SM-G935P ROOT TWRP Drivers
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I thought the bootloader was locked on all the carriers this year?

Someone give it a shot and let us know ?

Sim-X said:
I thought the bootloader was locked on all the carriers this year?
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It still has the unlock bootloader button in developer options just like the S6 had

Soooperstar said:
It still has the unlock bootloader button in developer options just like the S6 had
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Interesting, I'm not gonna go first I still haven't decided if I wanna trip knox or not if the bootloader is in fact able to be unlocked.

Robalboa said:
Works on our phones http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3335727
ROM stock firmware Samsung Galaxy S7 EDGE SM-G935P ROOT TWRP Drivers
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This link only shows 935F -- not 935P. Am I missing something?

nastypup said:
This link only shows 935F -- not 935P. Am I missing something?
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as stated above there a option to
unlock the bootloader in Dev options. im not sure all the details because i see no benefit to root right now but
they do have the phone rooted and they are modding kernels and system as wee speak. also custom recovery.
TWRP will inject root upon install and start up to reboot.
This is just a warning about root to anyone so they know the Deal with Samsung pay and MST
I do see it says 900f but theres numerous reports of it working on the 900P
you know these guys are flashaholics lol

Robalboa said:
as stated above there a option to
unlock the bootloader in Dev options. im not sure all the details because i see no benefit to root right now but
they do have the phone rooted and they are modding kernels and system as wee speak. also custom recovery.
TWRP will inject root upon install and start up to reboot.
This is just a warning about root to anyone so they know the Deal with Samsung pay and MST
I do see it says 900f but theres numerous reports of it working on the 900P
you know these guys are flashaholics lol
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Thanks for the tip! I'm a huge fan of custom roms and the prospect of xposed so I'm very much looking forward to rooting. I'll wait a little though for a more concrete path and at least a rom to flash.

Robalboa said:
as stated above there a option to
unlock the bootloader in Dev options. im not sure all the details because i see no benefit to root right now but
they do have the phone rooted and they are modding kernels and system as wee speak. also custom recovery.
TWRP will inject root upon install and start up to reboot.
This is just a warning about root to anyone so they know the Deal with Samsung pay and MST
I do see it says 900f but theres numerous reports of it working on the 900P
you know these guys are flashaholics lol
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I've never used Samsung Pay but I need a rooted phone to restore a ton of data. Stock ROM is adequate for me. I played with custom ROMs years ago and they were just a time suck. I was flashing them almost daily. The stock ROM is good as long as its rooted.

nastypup said:
I've never used Samsung Pay but I need a rooted phone to restore a ton of data. Stock ROM is adequate for me. I played with custom ROMs years ago and they were just a time suck. I was flashing them almost daily. The stock ROM is good as long as its rooted.
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Samsung pay is the only way to use MST or use ur phone for old card swipers. But thats your call

Samsung pay is useless to me. And as far as I can tell that's the only benefit to not rooting. I've read there are other benefits but that's the only one I've seen posted, Other than warranty.
To me; rooting is more beneficial. Removing advertising is the biggest. Then a basic debloated rom is second. Adding apps that are not usable on non-rooted phone would be my third reason.

nickmus said:
Samsung pay is useless to me. And as far as I can tell that's the only benefit to not rooting. I've read there are other benefits but that's the only one I've seen posted, Other than warranty.
To me; rooting is more beneficial. Removing advertising is the biggest. Then a basic debloated rom is second. Adding apps that are not usable on non-rooted phone would be my third reason.
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I'm kinda feeling the same way. Can't use Samsung Pay as a total replacement anyway and I just looked they don't even support Capital One cards at least yet anyway. That was one thing google did right back in the day with wallet, you could link any card. Still looks cool but ad block is one of the main reasons I root as well. I'm giving AdGaurd a shot (I use that on my desktop) and you can side load it to Android it creates a local VPN connection to the app to filter all traffic. Kinda annoying you always have a notification saying it's running also doesn't block youtube ads which Xposed worked awesome for that. I miss TI as well. Warranty void I feel so so about. S-OFF you could at least remove a tampered flag on an HTC although HTC would still have record of you doing a dev unlock token even if reset everything.

How does rooting and warranty work on this phone?

When I got my first phone (DROID RAZR M) I didn't even know what root was. After a year and my warranty's term, I found out and unlocked the bootloader just for fun. When I got my Verizon Note 4, I found out about KNOX and its hardware flag that can't be reversed. I had to wait 1.5 years for root on that anyway, but I'm keeping my Samsung tablet stock for the first year because of that flag.
My question: does LG have anything like Samsung KNOX? If I root right now, will I not just be able to flash back to stock and keep my warranty if needed? Or is LG nicer to power users?
Since I lose all data with a bootloader unlock, I'd rather do it sooner than later, but if I permanently trip some flag by doing so, I'd rather wait the year.
I've moved to T-Mobile, so I have the H918. I know I can root and I've seen the guide, but I don't know if I should root.

Up to you. Should wait for root and especially TWRP to mature. Limited right now.

@rbiter said:
Up to you. Should wait for root and especially TWRP to mature. Limited right now.
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It's actually really exciting to see all the development for this phone so far. I don't have much basis to judge from, but it's definitely a lot more than my Note.
So there's no hardware switch that'll be tripped? Is root reversible?

I rooted mine yesterday. When I turn it on it says that the bootloader is unlocked and I will receive that message everyday until I relock it. Im not new to rooting, and im also not a develepore, but I was checking out some of the adb and fastboot commands and I'm almost positive you could just simply reflash the stock rom and kernel, and from there use fastboot to relock the bootloader. I might try it tomorrow for you and let you know actually. Because this is the first time I have bought a brand new high end phone to actually experience the root slowly become available.
@Rbiter is correct though, other then simply just having supersu, and the simple root explorer stuff, nothing else has been upgraded really to work on nougat, and the current version of twrp is said to be sketchy when flashing stuff because it was just released not to long ago.

Christufurr said:
I rooted mine yesterday. When I turn it on it says that the bootloader is unlocked and I will receive that message everyday until I relock it. Im not new to rooting, and im also not a develepore, but I was checking out some of the adb and fastboot commands and I'm almost positive you could just simply reflash the stock rom and kernel, and from there use fastboot to relock the bootloader. I might try it tomorrow for you and let you know actually. Because this is the first time I have bought a brand new high end phone to actually experience the root slowly become available.
@Rbiter is correct though, other then simply just having supersu, and the simple root explorer stuff, nothing else has been upgraded really to work on nougat, and the current version of twrp is said to be sketchy when flashing stuff because it was just released not to long ago.
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Well I guess Google does a pretty good job of backing up app data (which I didn't know they even did), so if I have to wipe, it probably won't be too bad.
If no one has heard of an LG KNOX equivalent, that gives me hope that there is none, and I'll be able to revert, which is definitely a plus for LG.

Yeah well this is my first LG, my last android was the AT&T Samsung galaxy 4, and then I switched to iphone for a little like a year or so, but I've heard nothing but great things about lg, except for there UI I think its called? There touchwiz or something of the sort is a little bloated' but hey that's why I am so excited for the custom roms and kernels! I truly wish I had on hands training with making one or the other. It would totally be my number one hobby!
Ill try to un-root tomorrow after I over fill on turkey and let you know if I can get the boot up message away though and if I can I will compose how I did it.

Christufurr said:
Yeah well this is my first LG, my last android was the AT&T Samsung galaxy 4, and then I switched to iphone for a little like a year or so, but I've heard nothing but great things about lg, except for there UI I think its called? There touchwiz or something of the sort is a little bloated' but hey that's why I am so excited for the custom roms and kernels! I truly wish I had on hands training with making one or the other. It would totally be my number one hobby!
Ill try to un-root tomorrow after I over fill on turkey and let you know if I can get the boot up message away though and if I can I will compose how I did it.
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Very much appreciated. Did the 910A ever get root btw?

Zacharee1 said:
Very much appreciated. Did the 910A ever get root btw?
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To my knowledge it was only the H918 and US996
http://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/development/h918-recowvery-unlock-v20-root-shell-t3490594

Christufurr said:
To my knowledge it was only the H918 and US996
http://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/development/h918-recowvery-unlock-v20-root-shell-t3490594
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910A as in SM-N910A as in Note 4 ATT

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910A as in SM-N910A as in Note 4 ATT
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My bad xD this thread is under the LG V20 so I just assumed that it was just another model of the v20. I have no idea, did a quick Google search and it appears there are some posts on it being able to be rooted, I dont like the hole Knox thing. They should just let us be free to do with what we want with the product we bought

Christufurr said:
My bad xD this thread is under the LG V20 so I just assumed that it was just another model of the v20. I have no idea, did a quick Google search and it appears there are some posts on it being able to be rooted, I dont like the hole Knox thing. They should just let us be free to do with what we want with the product we bought
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Hey at least it isn't Apple, where you don't even own your copy of iOS.

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Hey at least it isn't Apple, where you don't even own your copy of iOS.
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I agree!

Christufurr said:
Yeah well this is my first LG, my last android was the AT&T Samsung galaxy 4, and then I switched to iphone for a little like a year or so, but I've heard nothing but great things about lg, except for there UI I think its called? There touchwiz or something of the sort is a little bloated' but hey that's why I am so excited for the custom roms and kernels! I truly wish I had on hands training with making one or the other. It would totally be my number one hobby!
Ill try to un-root tomorrow after I over fill on turkey and let you know if I can get the boot up message away though and if I can I will compose how I did it.
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Hi Christufurr,
Did you have a chance to unroot your phone ? If yes, please let me how did yiu do that.
Thank you

Is root possible on SM-G930P with G930PVPSACSF1?

Purchased a refurb S7 on eBay on the premise that it'd likely be on old firmware like most refurbs and I'd be able to root easy peasy- turns out it's running android 8.0.0 and baseband G930PVPSACSF1 and had everything updated last month and promptly wanted to check for even more updates when I started it up.
I've seen a lot of back and forth about which s7's can be rooted but nothing specific to this version as for some inexplicable version it appears Sprint released this update just recently for a three year old device.
I've spent most of this evening searching and haven't found anything that seems to indicate one way or the other. If I've missed something super obvious, I'd be grateful if somebody could point me in the direction of whatever reading I need to do to figure this out.
Thanks for any info you can point me to!
EDIT: One other thought- I've been looking into whether Magisk is a possible solution but I've seen a lot of different info as to whether it would even work on this variant of the phone, especially since TWRP seems to only have recoveries available for the international variants. Am I wasting time looking that way? I've also posted on the Magisk discussion thread to ask about it but I thought it was worth checking this forum as well since it's specifically for this phone.

Same issue
Have the same issue and can't find a root method for this phone too. Would like to remove the Sprint bloatware

Any news about it guys? I have the same phone and would like to root it. Willing to be the test dummy if it helps

ekco06 said:
Any news about it guys? I have the same phone and would like to root it. Willing to be the test dummy if it helps
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No and I wouldn't hold by breath either. Rooting has always been iffy on this phone from the start

@CyberSA @ekco06 I haven't seen anything and I'm torn between going ahead and flashing the 930U firmware and just returning the phone and getting something easier to root. The main thing I need is to be able to have unlimited wifi tether which seems to be possible with that firmware, but being able to use Titanium backup would also be really nice as it's been a staple for me so far.

blackbirdsinging said:
@[email protected] I haven't seen anything and I'm torn between going ahead and flashing the 930U firmware and just returning the phone and getting something easier to root. The main thing I need is to be able to have unlimited wifi tether which seems to be possible with that firmware, but being able to use Titanium backup would also be really nice as it's been a staple for me so far.
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Check out pdanet. It works well, but requires you to create a proxy to connect, but super easy. Probably won't work on game consoles, but works well on PCs

Quick update: Jumping ship. This phone is being returned and I'm grabbing a google pixel xl - much cheaper, same general age, less bloatware, easier to root, and better camera from all indications.

Sm T580 rooting hell

Ever phone or tablet I buy is always the one that cant be rooted without a pc. Everytime Odin required, so sick of it. I thought they were supposed to make a universal platform that all androids adhered to. What happened to that?

smokeuout said:
Ever phone or tablet I buy is always the one that cant be rooted without a pc. Everytime Odin required, so sick of it. I thought they were supposed to make a universal platform that all androids adhered to. What happened to that?
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Name a current device that doesn't need a PC to be rooted? Is that not universal enough?

ashyx said:
Name a current device that doesn't need a PC to be rooted? Is that not universal enough?
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No thats not universal enough. Go through the compatability list for framaroot, or master root and that will give your answer. I just want my phones to be on the same level. All on that list or not but there shouldnt be an in between

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No thats not universal enough. Go through the compatability list for framaroot, or master root and that will give your answer. I just want my phones to be on the same level. All on that list or not but there shouldnt be an in between
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Ok humour me. Show me evidence of one device that either of those root exploits has been successful with since Android 5.

ashyx said:
Ok humour me. Show me evidence of one device that either of those root exploits has been successful with since Android 5.
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Okay but how am I going to show proof? Those one click root apps wouldnt be around if they didnt work...Look at towelroot as well, and also kingroot. Lots of options even though I have no proof

smokeuout said:
Okay but how am I going to show proof? Those one click root apps wouldnt be around if they didnt work...Look at towelroot as well, and also kingroot. Lots of options even though I have no proof
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Rooting a tablet is a security risk that manufacturers don't WANT users to take. They want rooting to be difficult. So, IMO, it is down right silly to think they'd intentionally let some apps, like the ones you mentioned, defeat their purpose. And NONE of those apps work on a high percentage of the tablets on the market today.
If having a tablet that can be rooted by one of them is that important to you, then I'd suggest you check the list BEFORE you make your purchase rather than whining about it when they don't work.

smokeuout said:
Okay but how am I going to show proof? Those one click root apps wouldnt be around if they didnt work...Look at towelroot as well, and also kingroot. Lots of options even though I have no proof
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They DON'T work that is the point. The fact that you actually mentioned towel root implies that you've been trawling the Internet and you don't quite know where things are up to with root.
Those exploits have long since been patched. Pretty much no one click root's work on any recent device.
Google have patched all current exploits. Any decent manufacturer should have updated their firmware to include the patches.
Anything MM onwards is unlikely to work with one of these one click root apps.
Any device that does simply means the manufacturer doesn't care about security or has abandoned the device.
My point here is that pretty much no device works with any of these one click root's anymore.
You have a device made by a manufacturer that cares about security.
The very thing you seem to be whining about.
Millions of devices are currently using the only real root solution avaliable, Magisk, which requires a PC.
@lewmur pretty much nailed it.
If you want a device that works with one of these one click exploits, sell your up to date device and buy yourself an old banger running kitkat.

lewmur said:
Rooting a tablet is a security risk that manufacturers don't WANT users to take. They want rooting to be difficult. So, IMO, it is down right silly to think they'd intentionally let some apps, like the ones you mentioned, defeat their purpose. And NONE of those apps work on a high percentage of the tablets on the market today.
If having a tablet that can be rooted by one of them is that important to you, then I'd suggest you check the list BEFORE you make your purchase rather than whining about it when they don't work.
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Oh but i do check before I make a purchase. But everytime for one reason or another things change or an update comes and all of a sudden, now you need Odin. That why im pissed kid.
Also im sure the companies arent letting anyone root by choice. They would rather have you pay $1200 for an official unlocked phone...lol...But yes those apps can and will work on many phones running 8.1 and before.. perhaps you should do your homework instead of sticking your head in the sand

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They DON'T work that is the point. The fact that you actually mentioned towel root implies that you've been trawling the Internet and you don't quite know where things are up to with root.
Those exploits have long since been patched. Pretty much no one click root's work on any recent device.
Google have patched all current exploits. Any decent manufacturer should have updated their firmware to include the patches.
Anything MM onwards is unlikely to work with one of these one click root apps.
Any device that does simply means the manufacturer doesn't care about security or has abandoned the device.
My point here is that pretty much no device works with any of these one click root's anymore.
You have a device made by a manufacturer that cares about security.
The very thing you seem to be whining about.
Millions of devices are currently using the only real root solution avaliable, Magisk, which requires a PC.
@lewmur pretty much nailed it.
If you want a device that works with one of these one click exploits, sell your up to date device and buy yourself an old banger running kitkat.
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Hey cool story but it doesnt apply here. Im sure you can see the title, read it....t580....Hardly cutting edge stuff. If i could downgrade i would but i cant without a pc. I accidently upgraded my tablet and screwed myself. Those apps wont work on a galaxy S10 or galaxy 4 tablet but if i hadnt upgraded i would have used that and it woulda worked. Is chainfire around? He could shed some light if hes still on this

smokeuout said:
Hey cool story but it doesnt apply here. Im sure you can see the title, read it....t580....Hardly cutting edge stuff. If i could downgrade i would but i cant without a pc. I accidently upgraded my tablet and screwed myself. Those apps wont work on a galaxy S10 or galaxy 4 tablet but if i hadnt upgraded i would have used that and it woulda worked. Is chainfire around? He could shed some light if hes still on this
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Not being rude, but you really have no idea.
If you actually understood anything about root and kept with the times, you would be aware why non of these exploits work on anything beyond Lollipop. Marshmallow if you're lucky and haven't updated.
Supersu stopped working with most devices at Nougat and not at all with Oreo or anything beyond.
Over and out.

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Not being rude, but you really have no idea.
If you actually understood anything about root and kept with the times, you would be aware why non of these exploits work on anything beyond Lollipop. Marshmallow if you're lucky and haven't updated.
Supersu stopped working with most devices at Nougat and not at all with Oreo or anything beyond.
Over and out.
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I understand all of that just fine, thats not what i was talking about. I mentioned chainfire not because of supersu but because when I used to be on this site daily chainfire would help me out every now and then. Im going to assume hes not so active in here anymore, but maybe im wrong.

smokeuout said:
I understand all of that just fine, thats not what i was talking about. I mentioned chainfire not because of supersu but because when I used to be on this site daily chainfire would help me out every now and then. Im going to assume hes not so active in here anymore, but maybe im wrong.
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Chain fire sold supersu to a Chinese developer who has since abandoned it.
Chain fire announced his retirement from development a while back.
Magisk is now the only true root solution and even Magisk is constantly having to evolve to keep in the game.
All the other solutions you refer to were simply exploits that leveraged a vulnerability in the running system and have long since been patched even on older devices.
Magisk is not an exploit that leverages a vulnerability, but is a chain of modifications to the running system which is implemented both at the installation stage and at boot time. Similar to how Supersu used to work, but in a more advanced way which creates its own environment.

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Oh but i do check before I make a purchase. But everytime for one reason or another things change or an update comes and all of a sudden, now you need Odin. That why im pissed kid.
Also im sure the companies arent letting anyone root by choice. They would rather have you pay $1200 for an official unlocked phone...lol...But yes those apps can and will work on many phones running 8.1 and before.. perhaps you should do your homework instead of sticking your head in the sand
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That's BS. I've had a T580 since 2016 and you've never been able to root one without Odin. There is NO WAY it is on a list for one of those apps. If you just bought the T580 and checked and found it on one, name the one. Put up or shut up.