well i am going to get an iphone. - Nexus 6 General

I have had Android since the beginning. Rooting my phone and really enjoying myself. I have notice phones are really not technically leaping forward and the only way to get a "better" phone is through software upgrades. This is why I am leaving Android. The software upgrades are being used to lure me into buying a new phone. My Nexus six is not slow or any less of a phone than anything else on the market but it will soon lose its appeal because it is on older software. iPhones always get upgraded unless they are hardware incapable. I feel like my needs are not met and corporate greed is pushing me around forcing me to pay to play. Apple at least won't make me buy a phone for better software

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I have had Android since the beginning. Rooting my phone and really enjoying myself. I have notice phones are really not technically leaping forward and the only way to get a "better" phone is through software upgrades. This is why I am leaving Android. The software upgrades are being used to lure me into buying a new phone. My Nexus six is not slow or any less of a phone than anything else on the market but it will soon lose its appeal because it is on older software. iPhones always get upgraded unless they are hardware incapable. I feel like my needs are not met and corporate greed is pushing me around forcing me to pay to play. Apple at least won't make me buy a phone for better software
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They will eventually, just like you stated, if your hardware is no longer compatible with the progression of software. Just like the n6 is now, because the progression of the software is no longer compatible with 32-bit hardware.

You have to know that apple does update older hardware, but most of the new features are only updated on the newest hardware.
I had an Ipad 2 a few years ago, and it was FAST and the battery lasted way too much I have to say. I bought it with IOS 4 and it got updated until IOS 9, and it got steadily slower after each update, but since IOS 8 it turned into a crap. Extremely slow, I mean like REALLY slow, and the updates didn't even bring anything new, just slowness. It became a worthless crap that I ended up giving to someone, because ****ty apple doesn't let you downgrade like your nexus 6 does.
Google stops supporting their phones while being capable of handling newer software, that's true... but, as a Nexus owner you can always flash a custom rom and it's so dead easy on your phone.
If you want to jump ships go ahead, Iphones are actually pretty good phones that WORK well, but be noticed that the updates will slowly turn it into crap.

What a great argument you have there.
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My old iPhone turned unbelievably slow after an OS update, which is in, in fact, why I turned to Android. They keep updating you, until you're no longer willing to deal with the unacceptable performance. But hey, sometimes you have to find out for yourself. As for me, I'll keep using my Shamu with Android O, or whatever it's called, since the hardware is almost certain to be able to run it well. Just look at all the Nexus 4 Makos still running Nougat...

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My old iPhone turned unbelievably slow after an OS update, which is in, in fact, why I turned to Android. They keep updating you, until you're no longer willing to deal with the unacceptable performance. But hey, sometimes you have to find out for yourself. As for me, I'll keep using my Shamu with Android O, or whatever it's called, since the hardware is almost certain to be able to run it well. Just look at all the Nexus 4 Makos still running Nougat...
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You will not be happy at all. the n6 is the last 32bit device Google is releasing and all other software will be for 64 bit devices. Many of the rom devs already see it coming and many are getting rid of their shamu for something 64 bit.

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You will not be happy at all. the n6 is the last 32bit device Google is releasing and all other software will be for 64 bit devices. Many of the rom devs already see it coming and many are getting rid of their shamu for something 64 bit.
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That's a definite possibility, and if it comes down to that I'll certainly upgrade. That being said, tons of Android devices are still running Marshmallow and older versions, most of which are running 32-bit SoCs, so apps still have to support those to some extent. We'll see what happens soon enough.

Isn't the idea that google offers the open source software for folks to improve upon it themselves, google is and has been a device sales company.

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Isn't the idea that google offers the open source software for folks to improve upon it themselves, google is and has been a device sales company.
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Um no they haven't. Google is an ad based company. And yes they give you some software. Doesn't mean it will work on your device. The source that is pushed was for the nexus line. Now with the pixel and Google making things closed sourced. Like the closed sourced system ui files in the new pixel.
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That's a definite possibility, and if it comes down to that I'll certainly upgrade. That being said, tons of Android devices are still running Marshmallow and older versions, most of which are running 32-bit SoCs, so apps still have to support those to some extent. We'll see what happens soon enough.
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I have spoken with a few app developers and yes they will support older devices but the average from what I heard was for maybe six months. After that they won't be updating the 32 bit versions of the apps anymore as they won't be able to use the new apis that the apps will target.
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And for the op. Don't feel bad. Many of the devs here as well as most of the staff all run an iPhone as their daily driver and leave android as a toy.

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Um no they haven't. Google is an ad based company. And yes they give you some software. Doesn't mean it will work on your device. The source that is pushed was for the nexus line. Now with the pixel and Google making things closed sourced. Like the closed sourced system ui files in the new pixel.
I have spoken with a few app developers and yes they will support older devices but the average from what I heard was for maybe six months. After that they won't be updating the 32 bit versions of the apps anymore as they won't be able to use the new apis that the apps will target.
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And for the op. Don't feel bad. Many of the devs here as well as most of the staff all run an iPhone as their daily driver and leave android as a toy.
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Guess I haven't been paying attention as of late, appreciate the update.

Maybe I'm talking out of my @$$ (I'm not a dev, but I am an old career IT guy from the dawn of time), but I don't think apps are much of a concern as most apps don't care if you're running it on a 64 or 32 bit OS or processor. Yes, the OS updates will eventually be a factor, but then again I don't think many Shamu devices are going to make it very far into Android O anyway. There are going to be a LOT of 32 bit phones in the wild for quite a long time. I think we're a long way off from being abandoned by app devs. Not so long before we're abandoned by OS devs.
All this being said, my youngest son recently switched from Android to an iPhone, and after an initial learning curve, he likes it a lot. I would be completely frustrated with an iPhone because I'm really spoiled by root and jailbreaking an iPhone really isn't a realistic alternative. My oldest son has switched back and forth between Android and iOS a couple of times now, and he's about to switch back to Android because he really doesn't like the new iPhone hardware. Personally, I'm really disappointed in the new hardware on both sides of the fence. This nonsense of moving away from the headphone jack, switching to a different charging ports, etc. , is enough to keep me happily using my N6 for a while.

lol someone complaining about out of date software on a nexus obviously doesn't even know what a custom rom is and therefore should absolutely switch to an iphone... own your own stupidity

The price of a Pixel phone I so high that the expensive iPhone becomes a real alternative.
I've now a Nexus 6, rooted, unencrypted. Franco's kernel and not used Google stuff removed. Runs smoothly and can compete with the newest iPhone. Although there will be no more ROM updates I keep the N6 for now.

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corporate greed is pushing me around forcing me to pay to play.
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Is that comment meant ironically? You're quitting Android and going to Apple to escape "corporate greed"? Got to be a joke, right...?

leaving an unlockable device for one so controlled, you can't even install your own apps from anywhere you want? Funny. Don't fall for iJunk devices

i have the iphone 7 plus and my older Nexus 6. Honestly I have been going back and forth on both devices and can say that I like them both. For me the best thing about the iphone is that the battery life is better, like much better. I tend to stick with the same apps on both devices and keep notifications similarly. The standby time on it is just a lot better. If the phone is not being used and in standby mode there is no battery drain. From 100% if I take the phone off the charger at 6:30am and don't touch it till 12:00 noon it will maybe drop to 99/98%. No lie. On my Nexus that's not the case. I'm still trying to figure that one out, and therein lies some of the biggest differences between the platforms. Real day use, i'll come home to 65% battery on my Nexus and 80% on the Iphone doing the same things. Not sure if Apple is fudging the numbers but considering the Nexus is older than the Iphone it is what it is I guess. On Android there is much more to "figure out" than IOS. For me that's not a huge deal because I like to tinker and change and have options, and that's why I like Android/Nexus.
I'll admit I'm not that good at all when it comes to flashing and modifying kernels, and maybe that could be at the core of battery life issues but I don't feel like I should really have to do that to get the same or better battery life. I honestly think that no matter what the Android OS is just going to drain on idle no matter what. So I'm trying some things like Greenify and seeing what will happen. Still a work in progress there. I'll figure that out.
The biggest frustration I have with ios is that I like to be able to copy my mp3 files from my PC to my device at various times and like to be able to rely on my own downloaded music rather than cloud music. Sometimes I just can't find what i'm looking for on the various music services. That process of copying and syncing is an absolute NIGHTMARE! Itunes sucks big time when it comes to that. I get syncing errors, I have to turn this off uncheck that... and if you are not paying close enough attention it messes up my Windows PC directory where my files are saved and creates duplicate files. Horrible, horrible, horrible! I know there's dropbox but it just seems a bit cumbersome. Why have a 128gb device that you can't store your own files on. When it works I don't know how I got it to work and I consider myself to be more than a novice. I built my own PC myself. What should take a few minutes on Android to drag and drop from one folder to another can take hours on ios! Just last week I found a 3rd party program that I can drag and drop my mp3's as I wish. Even with that there's a learning curve. It's as if Apple does not want you to have your own, they would rather you pay for Apple Music. If you're willing to do that, great for you, it's smooth sailing.
The best thing to me about owning an Iphone is the resale value. After 2 years the iphone will be worth so much more even as a trade in than any Android device.. well, maybe except a Samsung Galaxy. If I decide to keep the phone long enough and after I finish my payments on Verizon I will still have at least a $300+ device I can trade/upgrade/sell. That will never happen with Android devices.
I say all this to say that if anyone reading is planning to switch just keep in mind you have to approach the 2 phones in 2 different ways. You can't really apply much of any learned behavior from one platform to the next and once you've accepted that you will learn to appreciate both. At the end of the day for me the "fanboy" bashing that people do online is pretty senseless. Both phones have their advantages and disadvantages.

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i have the iphone 7 plus and my older Nexus 6. Honestly I have been going back and forth on both devices and can say that I like them both. For me the best thing about the iphone is that the battery life is better, like much better. I tend to stick with the same apps on both devices and keep notifications similarly. The standby time on it is just a lot better. If the phone is not being used and in standby mode there is no battery drain. From 100% if I take the phone off the charger at 6:30am and don't touch it till 12:00 noon it will maybe drop to 99/98%. No lie. On my Nexus that's not the case. I'm still trying to figure that one out, and therein lies some of the biggest differences between the platforms. Real day use, i'll come home to 65% battery on my Nexus and 80% on the Iphone doing the same things. Not sure if Apple is fudging the numbers but considering the Nexus is older than the Iphone it is what it is I guess. On Android there is much more to "figure out" than IOS. For me that's not a huge deal because I like to tinker and change and have options, and that's why I like Android/Nexus.
I'll admit I'm not that good at all when it comes to flashing and modifying kernels, and maybe that could be at the core of battery life issues but I don't feel like I should really have to do that to get the same or better battery life. I honestly think that no matter what the Android OS is just going to drain on idle no matter what. So I'm trying some things like Greenify and seeing what will happen. Still a work in progress there. I'll figure that out.
The biggest frustration I have with ios is that I like to be able to copy my mp3 files from my PC to my device at various times and like to be able to rely on my own downloaded music rather than cloud music. Sometimes I just can't find what i'm looking for on the various music services. That process of copying and syncing is an absolute NIGHTMARE! Itunes sucks big time when it comes to that. I get syncing errors, I have to turn this off uncheck that... and if you are not paying close enough attention it messes up my Windows PC directory where my files are saved and creates duplicate files. Horrible, horrible, horrible! I know there's dropbox but it just seems a bit cumbersome. Why have a 128gb device that you can't store your own files on. When it works I don't know how I got it to work and I consider myself to be more than a novice. I built my own PC myself. What should take a few minutes on Android to drag and drop from one folder to another can take hours on ios! Just last week I found a 3rd party program that I can drag and drop my mp3's as I wish. Even with that there's a learning curve. It's as if Apple does not want you to have your own, they would rather you pay for Apple Music. If you're willing to do that, great for you, it's smooth sailing.
The best thing to me about owning an Iphone is the resale value. After 2 years the iphone will be worth so much more even as a trade in than any Android device.. well, maybe except a Samsung Galaxy. If I decide to keep the phone long enough and after I finish my payments on Verizon I will still have at least a $300+ device I can trade/upgrade/sell. That will never happen with Android devices.
I say all this to say that if anyone reading is planning to switch just keep in mind you have to approach the 2 phones in 2 different ways. You can't really apply much of any learned behavior from one platform to the next and once you've accepted that you will learn to appreciate both. At the end of the day for me the "fanboy" bashing that people do online is pretty senseless. Both phones have their advantages and disadvantages.
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Agreed. One is meant to be a toy and the other is just meant to be used.
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leaving an unlockable device for one so controlled, you can't even install your own apps from anywhere you want? Funny. Don't fall for iJunk devices
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Which you never want to do to begin with. Use the playstore or you deserve what ever you end up getting.

Hopefully pixel 2 will have a processor made by Google themselves and they can keep it updated for more than 2 years

Yasharkhan said:
Hopefully pixel 2 will have a processor made by Google themselves and they can keep it updated for more than 2 years
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That would be the worst thing they could do and would kill sales of the device.

coolpoete said:
..../. Real day use, i'll come home to 65% battery on my Nexus and 80% on the Iphone doing the same things.
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It's the Amoled screen and the white Google ui.
The biggest frustration I have with ios is that I like to be able to copy my mp3 files from my PC .
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The same with documents and mail. It's a shame that companies like Apple and Microsoft does have 'blocking' software. And/or doesn't provide solutions for exchange of data and mp3 etc.
Thx for the nice description; well ... I keep my N6 for a while. It's blacked out; Google stuff removed/replaced if possible. And decrypted. Battery life is good now.
( the price of an iPhone or Pixel is a breakpoint for me)

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Nexus One. We're being phased out, and quickly.

NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore. Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis. I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that, and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users. Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special. I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
Simply, I absolutely LOVE my Nexus One, but i feel like it is not getting the support it deserves, and i DO NOT want this beautiful piece of technology to be obsolete by september. i hope you guys are with me on this, because i think we all know that this phone could easily be something BETTER than what it is now. and it SHOULD be able to compete with any phone within a year from now because it's Google's baby. GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money. Because, even though i feel like this is the best phone i've ever had, 1) i feel like it'll be obsolete in a few months and 2) im starting to feel like i wasted my money.
long live nexus
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The Nexus one will be the standard by which all android phones are measured for at-least another year.
Keeping everything pure AOSP is a huge plus IMO.
Official updates are slow, but code is being committed to the repository regularly and makes it on to the custom ROMS very quickly.
There is no phone out there with better features and community support than the one you have
There is no other phone on google.com/phone... so we are still the only child.
Google is trying to catch up the rest of the android world to 2.1
VZ cut them off it seems from the N1 and instead VZ gets another great Android handset.
Froyo has some much needed upgrades and will help (in theory) android solidify itself by stabilizing the platform for devs.
JIT/Flash/Market /Open GL / market upgrades are on there way if you believe the rumors.
What is it you feel is being phased out ?
Only about 500k users have an N1. Thats a miniscule amount.
Even with that we have two great devs putting out some very stable ROMS. Unlike the past N1 came with so many damn features out of box that we didnt need ROMs and Apps to add the 101 missing features.
Listen I am still up in Googles rectum about alot of features that need to be fixed/enhanced on Android. We all knew N1 was the first of the snapdragons. The others are storming in blasting taking attention away from us...but theyre all on the same team....they all bleed green =-)
Sure Id love to be slapping on Sense widgets , Moto Blur social network apps , etc...but thats up to us as a community to do it (if ever technically possible).
Anyways feel good about your purchase. You still have the best available phone on the market and will until the EVO/Iphone4G drop. And even then..youd still be top 3 at worst.
There isn't much development because there isn't much to do. The Nexus has the latest firmware and top specs. Of announced phones only the Evo and Galaxy S have significantly better specs everything else is just a SLIGHTLY upgraded Nexus. No porting apps or firmwares are needed. The only thing to really do is optimize what we have (cyanogen is doing that) and port sense UI (Paul is doing that). I'm happy with my Nexus .....for now hehe
zach I can understand the complaints about some of the nagging issues the phone has had (3G, purple tint etc.) but two things we have to realize: A majority of the users don't experience these problems, and in no way is our phone going to be obsolete anytime soon.
Here is a post I made regarding the Incredible screen, I think it's relevant here:
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Here's my take:
Would I like to have this screen in my Nexus? Yea it would have been a nice feature. Do I need this screen? No, not in the slightest.. Not yet anyways. The only apps that would require a screen like that are games, and I don't play the type of games on my phone that would require axis-crossing multitouch. I know some people do, and I can respect that but I don't, hence why I don't care about this right now.
Frankly, if you're playing those kinds of games anyways, just get an iPhone (and I'm not saying that in a bad way). iPhone is unmatched when it comes to gameplay and plus you can get them all for free if you jailbreak. Yea The Incredible has a capable screen, but do you know long it's going to take Android to catch up to Apple when it comes to game quality?? Android just got games like Racing Thunder 2 and Homerun Battle 3D while you can play Street Fighter 4 and freaking Grand Theft Auto on the iPhone! It's no competition.. if you want to game, you don't have the right phone.
By the time Android actually starts developing games and apps that can take advantage of the axis crossing MT, The Incredible will be "obsolete" (as some of you like to put it) so no need for everyone to get their panties in a bunch
With most things I normally have a realist perspective and am usually the first to 'hate' on something when its deserved, but alot of you guys are just a bunch of downers. The Incredible is a great phone as is the Nexus, everyone should just appreciate what they have! If you keep chasing the newest technology (no matter how impractical it is) you will never be satisfied!
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
Regarding the selection of ROMS.. Guys, right now we have the top of the line OS on our phones.. 2.1 is the standard, most of the G1/Magic ROMS are trying to replicate what we already have stock. Believe me, once Froyo and Android 3.0 come out the devs will be right on it and we'll get awesome ports. We have great developers who will make sure our phones have the newest software on our devices.
And if worst comes to worst and some of you decide to sell your Nexus this summer, it will have excellent resale value.
Don't worry, This is the phone Google are actively giving to developers. We'll be here for a while to come yet.
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I most definetely do not believe the nexus one will be phased out anytime soon, actually i will be ordering one tonight as a matter of fact. yes we may not have the best touch screens or the greatest rom develipment, but that is because we are still number one There are no other builds to even create until phones of this caliber runnng other os are on the scene. And for the touch screen issue, whe the time comes to where we truely need multitouch for games on the market out nexus's WILL be outdated, or there WILL be a fix for this, i mean geez Cyanogen has nearly finished a fully working Eclair for the g1 already, all i see is hope and excitment for the future of this device, the market also needs some serious time to catch up to apples games (please dont get upset with this, its true) The only thing i can see actually outdating our phones are dual processors capable of OVER 1.5 otherwise i dont believe they will be extinct, not even the 1.3 samsung will hurt the nexus i think considering we can be oc'ed to 1.3 anyways i do believe, or at least close
I don't think that we're being phased out, not until another year. Each phone that comes in the market gets compared to Nexus One.
As far as the development is concerned, its very satisfactory. Comparing the development scene between N1 an iPhone, iPhone sold nearly 50x the units of N1 sold. So most app developers have their focus on iPhone as it stands them a better chance of making more money..... But still development on N1 is much better.....
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
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I’m beginning to think some people have never bought a phone before, or a computer for that matter.
Did people expect the N1 to the absolute top spec phone forever? Seriously its still amazing compared to most, and measures up nicely in all significant ways to these new phones it keeps getting compared to. Stop trying to bury it before its even close to dead.
There is always something newer coming. No exceptions. There are phones in development now that will top the Evo and Incredible. At some point you have to buy something or you’ll wait forever.
The N1 is Google’s flag ship phone. I bought it for that reason. If Google is developing something cool (like FroYo!) its pretty much guaranteed to come to us first. Its not being phased out. I think there are exciting things to come…
You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
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NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory
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How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
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in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore.
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THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
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Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis.
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As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
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I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that
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Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
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and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
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Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special.
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If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
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I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
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Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
I don't buy it. I don't like the multitouch sensor they used for the phone, and I think the scrolling could be smoother, but what do you really expect from Google? Short of them sending out free hardware upgrades, what are you really looking for to not feel phased out?
The Nexus One is a great phone, at least for me. Even with the multitouch issues, I'm able to pull off running jumps when I play Super Mario World and the like. And that issue is allegedly being worked on with 2.2. If they flat out said the Nexus One wasn't getting 2.2 then you could make the claim of the Nexus One being phased out.
As far as network issues go, I have zero problems with my AT&T Nexus One and 3G. I live in the DC Metro area, for what it's worth. Most problems I've heard from people are all on T-Mobile. Who's to say the problem isn't on T-Mobile's side instead of Google's? Everyone blames AT&T's network for the iPhone's network issues, but it's pretty clear that the radio in the iPhone is garbage.
We live in a time where there are 1ghz processors in handheld devices. Technology is advancing so fast. It's always going to hurt when your $500+ dollar device isn't the best around anymore, but do you really want forward progress to slow down so you feel like you have the best phone longer?
I think you're being overly paranoid, if you ask me. So long as you love the phone, what do you care?
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You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
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I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
You can't compare the modding/dev community of the N1 to the iPhone anyways.
The iphone has FAR more units out there, and the Apple cult is still buying. The iPhone also has more that is needed as far as mods to make it a nice OS.
The iPhone also runs native binaries, so there seem to be a lot more standard systems written for it, or so I was told in my Q&A thread. The iPhone has full apt packaging system, full set of GNU tools, full OpenSSH suite, etc.
The iPhone also has a lot more core teams of dedicated modders, while Android seems to have 1-2, at least for the N1. This is, again, I think due to the fact that the iPhone needs more mods to make it a good OS.
Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
Not even boobs can rescue the OP's post.
martin0285 said:
I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
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Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
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I agree wholeheartedly with both of you.
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NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete.
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Can you link these posts?
How is the N1 becoming obsolete? What are your reasons? I have yet to see any indication of this.
updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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What kind of crap is this? Yes, the N1 has received 1 update. Which is 1 more than MANY other Android phones in YEARS.
Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly.
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Here's the Android source code:
http://android.git.kernel.org/
Get to work!
GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money
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Give more WHAT?
Enjoy the wave for as long as it lasts... which will be a long time
Tech wise phones go obsolete much faster than a PC ever would for the simple fact that you are in a closed environment. You can't upgrade the RAM, graphics or CPU on one of these things so shelf life is in terms of months not years. But that's not to say that support will go away for the N1 any time soon. OP is just acknowledging/exhibiting the mid-life crisis that the N1 is in currently. It's still the flagship product and a benchmark for every phone slated to be released this year. Next year may be different--hell I'm sure it will be--but for now, we're good and there's enough power that it'll still be viable 2 years from now. If you need a current tangible example, just look at how many G1's there are out there and how long that phone has been out.
I came from the dismally dysfunctional land of the Epix from Samsung where between them and AT&T, they couldn't figure out who was suppose to be doing the obligatory reach-around. With the N1 there are no more worries about the carrier holding up the updates for a fix to a major problem introduced by another fix almost a year prior for an infantile notification issue., there are no more issues with contractual obilgations to corporate partnerships (Yahoo) with draconian imposed restrictions to enforce it(backflip) and mostly there's no more waiting for the mfg to finally update their license to a newer version OS if they even bother going that route to begin with. Open architecture, open software and an infinite amount of potential for old and new phones is why I'm here and I'm sure a bunch of others are too.
So to anyone else reading this and especially to Sprint customers that are waiting for the N1, catch the wave however you want(N1, Evo, etc) but enjoy it for what it is--a long great ride and loads of fun--cowabunga!
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Reluctant Return

My xformer tablet has a speaker problem. The RIGHT hand speaker is just intermittent.
Damn.
I hope my retail has some newer stock. I am tempted to go to the iPad 2. Love the Asus, but not being able to get hold of a dock, there has been very little to differentiate between my wifes ipad 1.
JJ
Its all up to you. I've had no problem with my tf and it's the first gen if you want an ipad get one like every other person who thinks they are good when the tf can do the same thing Plus more for 200 less
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Not sure where you live, but the Fry's here in Woodland Hills, California has a boat load of docks, I know because I just bought mine yesterday for $162.04, tax included. They are 'B60K" versions.
I had to send mine in because both speakers stopped working. I got it back with worse light bleed than before... And it cost me $20 to ship.
I hate the fact that it's a gamble to send a tablet in for repair, but it was the case for me.
With the trouble I've had with the 3.2 update and the dimmed screen bug when sharing stuff or opening links/files, I'm glad I have an iPad as a backup. My useful transformer is quickly becoming the source of all my frustration lately.
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I am tempted to go to the iPad 2.
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LOL, go on then, be my guest, everyone I know is ditching Apple products because buying anything for them locks you into their products forever, as nobody wants to throw away app purchases and content.
Android is clearly the future for anyone with a brain. You buy an Android device, and your apps work on any Android device, you want to switch from a Asus Tablet to a Samsung one a few years time? No Problemo... Want to use a HTC phone rather than a Motorola? No Problemo....
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Android is clearly the future for anyone with a brain. You buy an Android device, and your apps work on any Android device, you want to switch from a Asus Tablet to a Samsung one a few years time? No Problemo... Want to use a HTC phone rather than a Motorola? No Problemo....
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Your kidding right? How many gameloft games work with our Android devices? Depends on which device you have. I bought a few EA games for my phone and tablet and now neither work. Got a new Samsung phone, well you're out of luck because many apps won't work with it. How's netflix running? Right... it doesn't unless you hack your transformer....
At least with apple, you buy ANY app and it will work - regardless of what you have. When they say the ipad "just works", they weren't kidding. I have no hassles at all with my ipad 2. My transformer on the other hand force closes, randomly reboots, has battery drain issues,etc. And I'm not the only one! Quality control from ASUS has been dismal and you really can't deny that.
I love my Android phone and tablet, but I'm VERY impressed at what Apple has done and the quality of apps available for their devices - something that Android has years to catch up to.
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If all you do is focus on the bad to worse parts of the tf than okay, it is a worthless piece of technology..!
But if you focus on the good points, the selling points like the dock then it's an awesome piece of technology. Apple products are being designed to be fool proof, something that android can't garantue because on android we experiment with different ideas. We're not limited to what apple wants us to do or wants us to make, we're free. We're allowed to customize our devices the way we want, and sure that will bring some fc's from time to time but hey? that's life!
I do aknowledge that the battery drain problem shouldn't have excisted and that it is a sloppy error in the device, but asus has been trying to fix it (I don't know if it has been fixed though..) while when I had an apple product they would just say, well just wait for the next Iphone, then it'll be fixed!
No apple, that is not how you treat your customers!
And no asus you shouldn't have released this product with a bit more testing.
But who cares? It is a great piece of technology and if you want to switch to apple I say go ahead, nobody will stop you.
It will be fool proof, it will work but with every positif thing there must be something negatif to come with it. And that is the restrictions you get from apple.
The random reboot problem has been a standard android issue for awhile now, I've seen it on my cappy too! the random fc's well.. just compare them to the ipad games when they freeze.. and the random shutdowns? well whenever your ipad stops working and freezes you need to push hella lots of buttons to reset it! Be happy android kills itself first ^^"
What I'm trying to say is,
Both platforms have their cons and pros and you need to be aware of both before buying. I'm sorry for your problems you're having with your tf and hope that if you do change to apple you won't experience them with your ipad. (my god I sound like a support centre -.-").
Don't flame me, Im just trying to reason in this thread ! ^^
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LOL, go on then, be my guest, everyone I know is ditching Apple products because buying anything for them locks you into their products forever, as nobody wants to throw away app purchases and content.
Android is clearly the future for anyone with a brain. You buy an Android device, and your apps work on any Android device, you want to switch from a Asus Tablet to a Samsung one a few years time? No Problemo... Want to use a HTC phone rather than a Motorola? No Problemo....
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> Android is clearly the future for anyone with a brain.
Quite the opposite - the next release (ICS) is make or break. Fragmentation almost killed it before it got going...
. but don't get me wrong - It wasn't an accident that I got the Asus & Honeycomb - the transformer is the first device that ticks all boxes - PLUS has the nifty dock..
I'm just saying - that when apple released the ipad 1, they set the standard for screen quality, build quality, battery life etc etc and even 12-18 months down the road, other manufacturers are struggling to meet that - and the android eco system is similarly playing a little bit of catch up.e
Of course we may say, it's cheaper, it;s open, etc etc and those things are all great, but it means nothing if many of the devlices fall below a certain quality & usability standard that the market already set.
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I can. Whilst I do have the battery drain issue, and my dock is away for RMA, I don't have any of those other issues, never had a FC, never had a reboot, don't have any build quality issues at all, and I don't have light-bleed. There is definitely a very small vocal minority making alot of noise about some very minor issues.
You sometimes have to wonder if it's not some viral marketing scam, and if they are actually TF101 owners....
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> Android is clearly the future for anyone with a brain.
Quite the opposite - the next release (ICS) is make or break. Fragmentation almost killed it before it got going...
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Apple's fragmentation is MUCH worse than Android, of course Steve Jobs marketing machine ensures anything that suggests otherwise quickly gets burried or bought out...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...ood-still-much-better-than-ios-fragmentation/
> You sometimes have to wonder if it's not some viral marketing scam, and if they are actually TF101 owners...
at least I know what I'm dealing with now. You put the Crazy in CrazyPeter.
Have a great day.
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I can. Whilst I do have the battery drain issue, and my dock is away for RMA, I don't have any of those other issues, never had a FC, never had a reboot, don't have any build quality issues at all, and I don't have light-bleed. There is definitely a very small vocal minority making alot of noise about some very minor issues.
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You need to get that Transformer up on the news! There are some users who have tested 3,4, 5 units and they all have QC issues - my lightbleed issue went from bad to really bad after sending it in for repair; my speakers totally died; other people report only of of their speakers working or uneven volume; lots of reports of "creaking"; some users have bezels on their units that don't even look finished from the factory; some users have broken power buttons; "early builds" of docks don't even work with the power save mode; users have reported the paint coming off their Transformers; etc., etc., I'm not saying that all units are bad, but I've had many tablets and this one is the only one with build quality issues. Even the $150, Coby tablet I had was much better built than the TF is; don't even get me started with comparing it to the ipad...
When people pay for a product, no matter how cheap or expensive, the product should not be defective. For most, build quality issues are defects.
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> You sometimes have to wonder if it's not some viral marketing scam, and if they are actually TF101 owners...
at least I know what I'm dealing with now. You put the Crazy in CrazyPeter.
Have a great day.
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Come on, most people these days know how many people and how much money both Microsoft and Apple spend on viral marketing, astro-turfing and keeping their Internet image spotless and ensuring their less than spectacular products always appear to have a loyal fanbase, which in turn builds a loyal fanbase (as nobody likes to be left out...).
Just look at the endless Windows Phone 7 posts about how wonderful it is, when anyone with half a brain knows it's a turd. It's like the Xbox 360 launch all over again... with a pre-built fanbase of employed astro-turfers.
Part of the problem of course is that this is so rife in the US, that Americans can't even see how they are being manipulated on such a large scale by companies like MS and Apple, with bottomless marketing budgets. You have to be an outsider looking in to be able to see that.
I am certainly not going to say that Android and the phones that go with it, are all wonderful and great things. I will say that as a platform, Android far exceeds what iOS brings to the table. Don't get me wrong, Apple makes a simple, easy to use product that works consistently. But there is so much you lose in that process. Lack of widgets, need to open an application to find out what notices it is sending you, rigid screen setup, need for a Mac or PC to update the OS (although I hear this may finally go away), silly applet management model (if you do an update it backs up the applets themselves to your desktop rather than just redownloading the latest version from the app store).
I haven't had any major issues with any of my Android devices that could be pointed back to the OS. I have had some hardware build issues and that goes to my choice to buy now rather than to wait for a well designed well built product. ASUS did a fair job with this but honestly I should have waited for the Thinkpad since I just feel that Lenovo works much harder at quality control especially for the Thinkpad brand. That being said, now that I have the ASUS (even though I still have a week to return it), I can't imagine giving it up for any other tablet.
So for me it was a matter of tradeoffs, I wanted Android because the tradeoffs favored it rather than iOS. But I have to give it to Apple on general hardware quality, this partially goes to there being no competition in their space though. If the iOS 5 device is late, only Apple knows it. There aren't 5 other vendors who will flood the market with iOS 5 devices.
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I am certainly not going to say that Android and the phones that go with it, are all wonderful and great things. I will say that as a platform, Android far exceeds what iOS brings to the table. Don't get me wrong, Apple makes a simple, easy to use product that works consistently. But there is so much you lose in that process. Lack of widgets, need to open an application to find out what notices it is sending you, rigid screen setup, need for a Mac or PC to update the OS (although I hear this may finally go away), silly applet management model (if you do an update it backs up the applets themselves to your desktop rather than just redownloading the latest version from the app store).
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My brother's been testing ios 5 (he's a developer) and from the sound of it, Android has a lot to be worried about. All of the major complaints will go away and some of the new features will crush Android (e.g. app data in ios 5 is backed up to the cloud, so reinstalling an app will give you the option to restore app data - no rooting, titanium backup nonsense needed). The notification system will actually be better than what android offers and you will no longer need a computer to setup/update an ios device. It won't allow users all the freedom that Android offers, but it will be stable and will not induce late-night headaches either
Of course, both os's offer different flavors of usability, but I have a feeling that ios 5 will make the ipad an untouchable force in the tablet world - that is until Android becomes STABLE and can offer 100,000+ tablet apps, but I don't see that happening for many years.
I'm a happy camper because I have both devices, so I don't have to be a fanboy of either - I use what works for the task at hand and both the Transformer and Ipad 2 offer their own strenghts depending on what you're doing at the moment.
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Your kidding right? How many gameloft games work with our Android devices? Depends on which device you have. I bought a few EA games for my phone and tablet and now neither work. Got a new Samsung phone, well you're out of luck because many apps won't work with it. How's netflix running? Right... it doesn't unless you hack your transformer....
At least with apple, you buy ANY app and it will work - regardless of what you have. When they say the ipad "just works", they weren't kidding. I have no hassles at all with my ipad 2. My transformer on the other hand force closes, randomly reboots, has battery drain issues,etc. And I'm not the only one! Quality control from ASUS has been dismal and you really can't deny that.
I love my Android phone and tablet, but I'm VERY impressed at what Apple has done and the quality of apps available for their devices - something that Android has years to catch up to.
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Despite all of this...his main point was that you can transfer your purchased apps and games into any Android device you please. You aren't locked in to Asus...if you want to return and get a Samsung...you don't have to worry about having to buy a whole new set of apps.
Also, I don't really play games on Tablets...the current games are too "casual" for me and don't hold my attention.
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My brother's been testing ios 5 (he's a developer) and from the sound of it, Android has a lot to be worried about. All of the major complaints will go away and some of the new features will crush Android (e.g. app data in ios 5 is backed up to the cloud, so reinstalling an app will give you the option to restore app data - no rooting, titanium backup nonsense needed). The notification system will actually be better than what android offers and you will no longer need a computer to setup/update an ios device. It won't allow users all the freedom that Android offers, but it will be stable and will not induce late-night headaches either
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That's pretty cool...I wish I had an ability to do that with the TF (I don't want to root so Titanium is a no go for me), competition is not a bad thing.
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Despite all of this...his main point was that you can transfer your purchased apps and games into any Android device you please. You aren't locked in to Asus...if you want to return and get a Samsung...you don't have to worry about having to buy a whole new set of apps.
Also, I don't really play games on Tablets...the current games are too "casual" for me and don't hold my attention.
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I don't understand. You get a new iproduct and you transfer your apps - easy as pie. The advantage of having only "one" ipad is that you get stability and consistancy. This could be considered the biggest selling point. With Android, you get a new device and maybe it doesn't root easily - so you lose all you root-specific apps. Maybe half the games you get aren't compatible with your new device. I've had these problems with the android devices i have. It's very frustrating.
Tablet games on ios are AMAZING my friend - Dead space, GTA, Real Racing, Marble Madness, etc. You can go ultra casual or console-quality - There isn't one game on Android that I "miss" on ios. I basically stopped buying games for my Transformer, I purchase only apps or use free ones.
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Disappointed with Samsung

Maybe a general rant, but I am extremely disappointed in Samsung. I bought the Note the day it came out, at top dollar, international version. I was fully expecting a stable ICS update, and much sooner than it came out. But fine, it came out a few months later than I expected it. And ever since the update, it just been downhill. My battery life has gone from 15 hours to 8 hours(same usage profile, same apps), camera freezing, etc. I was running stock.
I have hacked in the past, had an inspire and put ROMs every few weeks, so yes, I can go install better battery stats, and run CPU spy, find out about wakelocks and run CPU spy, and spend a whole bunch of time debugging it, or run AOSP etc. But really, do I have to do this for a device that is 4 months old and is supposedly the "top device" of Samsung? Cant they test the upgrades on their phones in a much better manner? The only thing I miss from my iphone 3G days (since I switched to Android) is the timely, and very well tested updates (and the backup restore of everything, one click, seamless). I never had a problem, and if I did, it was resolved very quickly, usually. I wont go back to iOS again, ever. But I really want an Android other than Nexus (I like TW, I started liking Sense a lot too), and have updates on time, well tested.
Is that really too much to ask? If Samsung is expecting to be a top Android phone manufacturer, is that too much to ask? To be very honest, I am extremely disappointed with Samsung, very very disappointed. I had friends with the S2 who were similarly disappointed, and I was really hoping that things would work better this time around. I guess Ill have to go onto rooting and try different roms, but my point is, I dont have to do all this. Just extremely disappointed with Samsung. I am really hoping Google does something with good with Motorola. Really really hoping.
Same here. Not to mention the superbrick bug which is known for what ... 3 months or so ? Other than Samsung is working on it, nada, zit, zero ... I guess we are lucky for having XDA because without it I'd be stuck with an expensive phone I'm afraid to even update through the official software let alone put roms on ( I thought that was the main strength of Android btw ( extreme mod-ability) ?
I was also considering in buying a tablet, Android tablet, Samsung tablet. Now ? Neh, I will wait and see what the Infinity looks like in the real world and if I don't like that I'll get an iPad. I used to love Samsung but their late attitude is very suggestive : we've got your 600 euro, **** off now.
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Same here. Not to mention the superbrick bug which is known for what ... 3 months or so ? Other than Samsung is working on it, nada, zit, zero ... I guess we are lucky for having XDA because without it I'd be stuck with an expensive phone I'm afraid to even update through the official software let alone put roms on ( I thought that was the main strength of Android btw ( extreme mod-ability) ?
I was also considering in buying a tablet, Android tablet, Samsung tablet. Now ? Neh, I will wait and see what the Infinity looks like in the real world and if I don't like that I'll get an iPad. I used to love Samsung but their late attitude is very suggestive : we've got your 600 euro, **** off now.
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Its just an attitude I cannot condone. I might not like a lot of things about Apple, but they do a very good job with trying to keep up their commitments and making devices( atleast one generation before) that work according to spec. If not, I can walk into a damn store and get it serviced within my warranty. Samsung does nothing. Running contests for best apps and hiring the best developers does not get Samsung anywhere. 700 bucks, and I have a phone which I cannot use a lot without making sure i have a charger around. I dont really knew if Samsung is even reading this, or even if they care(as you said, they have our money now we can **** off), but I am hoping enough people complaining makes some bit of a difference to them to make even current (4 month old users, ****ing insane) a priority and not just go on and do the next exciting thing. If nothing changes in any manufacturer, I might do the unthinkable andmove back to iOS. With two jobs,when do I find time to be sitting and looking at custom roms and wakelocks and preventing incrementing binary counters just to get the battery life I was promised?. Without xda, I would be dead, really, very helpful people who can answer questions and point me in the right direction.
If it just works all day, I might just make the switch back one day. Scr** Samsung.
Well, this is usually what you get with a true multitasking OS. The problem you are having is mainly on usage time (from your description). As Uncle Ben said it, "with great power comes great responsibility". Its Android design problem and not totally Samsung fault in this issue, though there are things that I would like Samsung to fix. For FCs with applications, a factory reset or wiping the application data normally would solve the problem. Again, this is the OS issue. Sigh...
As you can see, most smart phone actually last about 5 hours per charge. You extend the usage time by suspending the phone. The thing is, a multitasking OS allows applications to run in background and those applications might be preventing the phone from getting suspended. If you never install any 3rd party applications on your phone, you won't likely get this problem, thus the reason I quote Uncle Ben. Microsoft learnt this with Windows Mobile, thus Window Phone now works like IOS where applications sent to background are suspended.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not protecting Samsung. If you own a Sony Ericsson, Motorola or HTC, you'll be there in their respective thread renting the same thing.
Just go back to Gingerbread, what's so great about ICS?
Oh boy, not another "samsung sucks, im going to buy apple" thread...
"I was also considering in buying a tablet, Android tablet, Samsung tablet. Now ? Neh, I will wait and see what the Infinity looks like in the real world and if I don't like that I'll get an iPad. I used to love Samsung but their late attitude is very suggestive : we've got your 600 euro, **** off now."
Sure, the iPad is the best tablet available. It can't do half the things Android does, not to mention Windows 8 tablets in comparison with which, the iPad is just a big mp3 player. But good choice. And no, this is not hate for Apple. I had an iPad, liked it very much, but after a month it turned out that it practically can't do anything...
Cool story. Just won an ipad 3. Set it up and was playing with it. I think the screen sucks and the OS is frigging boring. Sold it on ebay.
I'm more disappointed the Galaxy Nexus got the ban hammer in the US. I refuse to ever use an Apple product.
Same thing here. I bought an iPhone 4S 3 months after I bought my Galaxy S2. Sold the 4S within a week.
There's something about android that once you go android you can't really go back. Well at least for me.
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Well, this is usually what you get with a true multitasking OS. The problem you are having is mainly on usage time (from your description). As Uncle Ben said it, "with great power comes great responsibility". Its Android design problem and not totally Samsung fault in this issue, though there are things that I would like Samsung to fix. For FCs with applications, a factory reset or wiping the application data normally would solve the problem. Again, this is the OS issue. Sigh...
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This is a *****ing thread, keep your facts out of it !
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Cool story. Just won an ipad 3. Set it up and was playing with it. I think the screen sucks and the OS is frigging boring. Sold it on ebay.
I'm more disappointed the Galaxy Nexus got the ban hammer in the US. I refuse to ever use an Apple product.
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While I would agree that the OS is so friggin boring, I CANNOT agree that the screen sucks. I have never seen anyone say that the new iPad's screen sucks, except for you. Just saying,
I will never choose Samsung again.
They are lazy and they are cheap. I had a problem with my logical board and they didn't replace my phone. Now they replaced my logical board and it has deep sleep issues.
Now i have to send my phone for the FOURTH time so i can get anywhere.
They got my money once, yes. Never again....
Their loss....
I would agree an iPhone or iPad is boring but the ease of use is something you can't argue about. It's simple, boring, and friggin' expensive. That's why it's for retards. Sorry apple fanboys but it's the truth
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I will never choose Samsung again.
They are lazy and they are cheap. I had a problem with my logical board and they didn't replace my phone. Now they replaced my logical board and it has deep sleep issues.
Now i have to send my phone for the FOURTH time so i can get anywhere.
They got my money once, yes. Never again....
Their loss....
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That's unfortunate. I have voiced this before and concur with the OP, that no one should HAVE to root or download custom ROMs for a great experience with any Android device, be it from Samsung or any other company.
It's a show of mediocrity by Android and Android phone manufacturers when they place products in the market which truly do not perform without a bunch of optimizations. If this continues, Android will never overtake iOS and any Android device will always be behind an iPhone and an iPad.
Criskelo ICS LQ3 v8, LPT Modem, Speedmod k3-3 kernel, AT&T
I'll never buy a. Samsung again either. I'll get a google or HTC phone.
Samsung feels cheap hardware-wise and more importantly delayed ICS far too long.
Almost in the same boat here.
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I will never choose Samsung again.
They are lazy and they are cheap. I had a problem with my logical board and they didn't replace my phone. Now they replaced my logical board and it has deep sleep issues.
Now i have to send my phone for the FOURTH time so i can get anywhere.
They got my money once, yes. Never again....
Their loss....
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Although i didn't have any motherboard issue, i had the deep sleep issue ever since i upgraded to ICS and i didn't even notice it until recently.
Thanks to XDA members i was able to solve it by turning off the last 4 options in sound settings and unlocking the phone before i unplug it from the wall charger.
The lag in touchwiz launcher for a 700 euro device was not tolerable for me, so i replaced it with ADW EX launcher. You would expect that they would enable gpu acceleration in their launcher with ICS, but anyway.
The worst thing is that mmc_erase bug. I am actually scared to install CM9 because i have one of those 0x19 faulty chips according to the gotbrick app.
No updates to ICS for Greece even though 2 months have passed since DBT users had it, amoled black clipping issues with videos, black spots when you view black images at night (which is no issue according to them) <--- really?
The only option left for me is to get the next nexus device when that comes out, unless it is made by Samsung again (read: volume bug).
The emmc bug in SGN is shame on SAMSUNG, really i'm extremely disappointed. SHAM ON YOU SAMSUNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'll never buy a. Samsung again either. I'll get a google or HTC phone.
Samsung feels cheap hardware-wise and more importantly delayed ICS far too long.
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Ah, once you're using Google or HTC phone, you'd say the same thing over in their respective threads. Trust me on this.
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That's unfortunate. I have voiced this before and concur with the OP, that no one shouldn't HAVE to root or download custom ROMs for a great experience with any Android device, be it from Samsung or any other company.
It's a show of mediocrity by Android and Android phone manufacturers when they place products in the market which truly do not perform without a bunch of optimizations. If this continues, Android will never overtake iOS and any Android device will always be behind an iPhone and an iPad.
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I've been using ICS stock non-root with great experience, but of course I wanted to use Titanium backup and CIFS, so I root. Is that such option in other OSes? Btw I think all those optimizations are actually placebo effects.
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The emmc bug in SGN is shame on SAMSUNG, really i'm extremely disappointed. SHAM ON YOU SAMSUNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh that is calculative risk for Samsung not to rush out the firmware update. Who in the world would a normal user wipe their phone daily, weekly or monthly. A normal user would almost never factory reset the phone. Also, if it did indeed brick the phone, just bring it to your nearest Samsung service centre to get a free mainboard replacement. No warranty? Complain to the consumer association and get a refund.
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Cool story. Just won an ipad 3. Set it up and was playing with it. I think the screen sucks and the OS is frigging boring. Sold it on ebay.
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In what way exactly the ipad screen sucks??
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In what way exactly the ipad screen sucks??
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It just sucks compared to my Notes screen. Lot of blotchy colors and no way to change the DPI to something other than what's for people with sight problems. For how much praise it gets, I laughed my ass off.
The ONE thing I did like about the ipad was the minimal battery drain in deep sleep.... Or maybe it's because it's a 11000mAh battery.
Oh the other thing was how much $$ I got for selling it.
If you do not like them and disappointed please just go get something better than that. I do know there is issue with but I like my note and I will go find better way to use this best one rather than complain and crying.

Would you sell your GS3 for a WP8 phone?

I'm wondering if its worth hanging on to my ATT GSIII phone and starting a whole new 2 year contract or if I should return it and wait for the Windows phone 8 to come out. Personally, I'm bored as hell from iphones and Android just never seems to be quiet there yet. After seeing the demo of WP8, it really got me interested. It basically takes the best of iOS and Android and mixes it all in a fresh new package.
I still got 3 weeks to return mines to the AT&T store, is anyone else here considering switching to a WP8 phone? I'm also interested to see what the new iphone looks like too. One thing that pisses me off about Android are that the iOS apps always look way way better than Android, Google really needs to start putting in some standards with these developers. I still can't play many of the Gameloft and EA games on this phone that I've purchased a while back.
Its all advertisement nothing elsr honestly i feel like wp is a little bit too boring customisation compared to android is no match only reason i stick whit android is because its open source and lot of customisation and so on..
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Your call, but you should know that windows phones are pretty locked down/ limited with modification. If that's something you like, then android is best.
I just switched from an iphone to the S3 and I'm not sure I agree with you about the IOS apps looking better. The ones I've used that they both have in common look pretty much the same to me. As a matter of fact, some of the android versions look nicer and have a better user interface.
I have zero interest in the windows phone. Until they can compete with the number and variety of apps available for ios and android, it won't appeal to me at all.
btw, I also have 3 weeks left in my return period and I'm pretty sure I've decided to stick with the S3. Sure it has its bugs and annoyances but so will every phone. The only two things that have kept me from committing 100% to it so far are the battery life problems and the wifi problems. Time will tell.......
I wonder what the new excuse will be when the next version doesn't sell well at all. I believe the old Windows mobile still has more market share. Pretty pathetic.
It's not just Apple and android being entrenched. The os simply sucks comparatively and plenty of people simply do not like metro. Apple has a better walled garden and android has a better large open estate. Microsoft would have done better if they opened all the api and embraced developers. Instead you get a half ass iPhone. GG
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Your call, but you should know that windows phones are pretty locked down/ limited with modification. If that's something you like, then android is best.
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Personally, I'm tired of the many modifications, so far I left mines on stock. I've gotten to the point where all that ROM flashing has gotten old and I need to do real work. On my last phone, the HTC Vivid, all I ever did was flash ROM after flash ROM for no good reason, it felt like a damn crack addiction.
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[/COLOR]I wonder what the new excuse will be when the next version doesn't sell well at all. I believe the old Windows mobile still has more market share. Pretty pathetic.
It's not just Apple and android being entrenched. The os simply sucks comparatively and plenty of people simply do not like metro.
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I didn't like the Metro on the WP7, but that WP8 looks alot better better because you can resize them, they seem alot like widgets. Also, now you can use a MicroSD card, have dual-core processors, and have larger screens.
M$ seems to get their act straight this time around, they probably got tired of Apple taking their marketshare.
Metro is great, but having been burned by WebOS, I'd wait a year or two to see if WP8 takes off before investing in an ecosystem. My bet is they take about 7-8% marketshare and go nowhere from there. But who knows.
I think I'd take stock Jelly Bean over WP8 though.
There's a Windows style launcher on the market.
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Metro is great, but having been burned by WebOS, I'd wait a year or two to see if WP8 takes off before investing in an ecosystem. My bet is they take about 7-8% marketshare and go nowhere from there. But who knows.
I think I'd take stock Jelly Bean over WP8 though.
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I wonder what the new excuse will be when the next version doesn't sell well at all. I believe the old Windows mobile still has more market share. Pretty pathetic.
It's not just Apple and android being entrenched. The os simply sucks comparatively and plenty of people simply do not like metro. Apple has a better walled garden and android has a better large open estate. Microsoft would have done better if they opened all the api and embraced developers. Instead you get a half ass iPhone. GG
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I dont see the potential in windows phone honestly i mean its just plain boring i have tried one ...
At first it felt like a new toy and over the few first day i got bored it lacks customisation that alone worth staying whit android ...
Whit the new jelly bean 4.1 it will be very hard to get beaten by windows or even ios6 ...
The future is android from my point of view...
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NIKKG said:
I'm wondering if its worth hanging on to my ATT GSIII phone and starting a whole new 2 year contract or if I should return it and wait for the Windows phone 8 to come out. Personally, I'm bored as hell from iphones and Android just never seems to be quiet there yet. After seeing the demo of WP8, it really got me interested. It basically takes the best of iOS and Android and mixes it all in a fresh new package.
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I don't think it makes sense to ask others to a judgement call for you. Especially on an Android forum.
Re: iPhone and Android "not being quite there"—you do realize that's exactly what every reviewer says about Windows Phone 7?
Windows Phone 8 is a rewrite so I would not have high hopes for the first generation of phones. Also, the demos are made to impress. You should take them with a grain of salt.
Are you kidding me? I had to revert to an HD7 WP7 phone when I killed my Galaxy II two weeks before the Galaxy III launch and for those two weeks I wanted to stick sharp objects into my eye.
Pretty much any app worth having in WP7 costs $$$. The GPS/Nav sucks, searches are done with Bing and dealing with a corporate email account with multiple folders is just about the worst email experience ever on that phone.
I'm done experimenting with WP versions - go ahead and try WP8 when it comes out but Android seems to be a better, more open, more tweakable, more dev friendly ecosystem and I'll stay here...
Don't count Microsoft out. WP7 is a great OS.
I find the question odd seeing as the OS isn't out yet with it's new hardware. But having used WP7 I know that's it's going to be a great update. WP7 is a great OS, and while the phones might be under powered compared to apple and android phones, they still hold their own which says a lot about the optimization of the OS. Kudos to Microsoft for that. The only detracting thing is the apps, but with the new Windows 8 using Metro apps, I can easily see WP8 giving android and ios a run for their money.
While, i dont see myself standing in line for a Windows mobile device. I do enjoy the fact knowing that it will be another direction away from IOS...:good:
I am in agreement with you. We are not in need of another company hell bent on controlling us. For crying out loud why don't these company's see or understand this? I am partial towards Android. I don't mind Apple to much. Well with the exception of the whole let's sue everyone and there mother's attitude. That part pissed me off to no end. And I do hope it turns around and bites them in the ass. I do hope the never go anywhere. Because as much as I do like Android, I like the fact that Android has competition. Google is big enough and has enough money that if all competition were gone. They might just try to pull some Apple/Microsoft crap. I do think that Google and Apple are to hig as is. Just like our governments. And Microsoft is big also. But in a different way. They are like tha big dopey kid on the block. You know, the one that would like to make you his hitch but is to stupid and slow to do so? Lol!
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Personally, I'm tired of the many modifications, so far I left mines on stock. I've gotten to the point where all that ROM flashing has gotten old and I need to do real work. On my last phone, the HTC Vivid, all I ever did was flash ROM after flash ROM for no good reason, it felt like a damn crack addiction.
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I was like that with my HTC inspire and not so bad with my GSII. Flashed a new one every day or so. It was awful I had to try them all. I'm keeping my GSIII stock for now too. You can customize plenty through market
My bf had WP7 and it was awful. Looked nice but just wasn't practical he hated it, NEVER worked right. He had 4 within the firsts few weeks from button issues(however that was HTC issue)
Windows phones are fast and stable. I used the Samsung focus on mango for several months and I was sold on wp7. Not one single force close or lag. However, my HTC Titan had serious mic issues so I returned it and ended up with my galaxy skyrocket. I do like having the ability to customize with android, and I think the SIII would be worth the contract. The SIII will hold its value and if you decide to go wp8, just eBay or Craigslist your SIII when that time comes. I myself want the SIII but waiting for the right deal.
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Are you kidding me? I had to revert to an HD7 WP7 phone when I killed my Galaxy II two weeks before the Galaxy III launch and for those two weeks I wanted to stick sharp objects into my eye.
Pretty much any app worth having in WP7 costs $$$. The GPS/Nav sucks, searches are done with Bing and dealing with a corporate email account with multiple folders is just about the worst email experience ever on that phone.
I'm done experimenting with WP versions - go ahead and try WP8 when it comes out but Android seems to be a better, more open, more tweakable, more dev friendly ecosystem and I'll stay here...
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gps does not suck. I found it every bit as good as android if not better.
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gps does not suck. I found it every bit as good as android if not better.
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Google Maps is immeasurably better than Bing Maps.

i noticed one thing about apple fanboys

ok guys lol dont really want this to become a rant but its pushing itself that way. anyone notice when u try to have a valid debate about features or capabilities with a apple fan boy it always goes like this,
appleboy: yeah but the ipads got things android cant do like .....video editing,
androidboy: the androids actually got that from stock plus a whole load of imaging apps that came with the tab, I dont have to buy extra software.
appleboy: yeah but ours is better! pinch to zoom!!112!! haha
(android waits patiently)
androidboy: thats your arguement? but in fact the android system will run the......appleboy blurts in: NO NO NO IOS IOS IOS NO NO I HAVE EMAIL TOO..funz >)
anyone ever notice how androids will have a calm actual debate, apple's just blurt insane immature crap that shows most of them dont know feck all about using a computer?
tried telling them about open-source......between the two of them they somehow worked out that the IPAD was the more advanced device then the a500., from these "reasons"
in the youtube app you can move your finger to change volume......really?!
apparently some ipad users think the fact its harder to fully unlock a ipad for development, so that must mean its a more advanced device.....?
you can use a usb cable to add accessories....
tried showing em i have a usb port no need to carry a cable, and i can use most windows accessories keyboard,mice,external hard-drive,etc etc but nope apparently adding 1 usb keyboard....is somehow better then adding a keyboard as well as mouse, exterhd,dvd-drive. etc etc....????
i tried telling them about the specs side by side, and how my android mobile "phone" not even my best device (the tab is)
1.has more processing power then the ipad,.
2.better camera front and back
3.other features are basically matching (gps bluetooth wifi,....etc)
4. more configurable
5. same ram
but mine was half the price of your tab and phone..
they just dont get it, im saying to him look mate if you went to pc world and had
1 computer that was complete rubbish low speed, low ram,. windows 95
costs £20000^^
1 computer that has 3ghz high speed quad-core , 4gb ram, windows 7, dvd drive, usb ports, bigger screen, fully outwards compatible "usb play n go keyboard mice, bluetooth, gps etc"
costs £750^^
what would you buy? lol its not a hard one is it, im trying to show, look ios could have been THE best pads and phones,,,,if apple didnt own them and you got the full bang in your buck, i mean if they had ipad with the spec's of an android with the price tag of an android and open source,. android probably would even have gotten as far as it has today but that's good old apple business techniques for ya eh?
to be honest what im trying to say is you can tell a hundred things that are very worth having to a apple fanboy and they will say the ipads better because,
A. YA ITZ GoT LiKe slide volume oN yuTUbe....SO dARRR iPaDZ bEtteR !
b. tHErs Must HAve APPPPP for ThAt And iTSR bETTer Dan URS even THou I neSER SEEN, heard, Or UUsed SuCH app. IOS IS KEWlz
can anyone actually tell me an advantage the ios has? like what things can it actually do we cant?
in fear of this becoming a hate thread im basically asking for the things that the ios does that android cannot.
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in fear of this becoming a hate thread im basically asking for the things that the ios does that android cannot.
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*crickets* *crickets*
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*crickets* *crickets*
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yeah i think this is the confirmation i was after, this post had nearly 120 views in the first half hour. no can tell me something an apple can do that android cant,.
in the words of my main bitc* hatty-may pierce......baby the truth shall set you free.
Get more game developer support due to its much lower rate of app piracy.
Consistency in its UI across all its devices.
Consistency in its hardware making development somewhat easier in that the developers know exactly which devices will be supported and how well it will run -- see: the post in general of a guy complaining developers have seemingly abandoned tegra 2.
Not risking an app in the appstore spamming your notifications or doing other insanely annoying things.
A jailbreak and theming community that, while does allow piracy, also supports independent developers, fiscally, through official cydia repos.
Get the stupid "with friends" games long before Android does. How am I supposed to play matching with friends with my android friends!?!?
Have upteen thousand third party home appliances that support (the soon old) iOS docking port. My SONY surround sound system came with an iPhone dock, as did my Murano.
OS updates that rarely cause fragmentation. I don't know of any apps that will only run on IOS 5 and not 4, and after a upgrade, it's extremely rare to find an app that won't work on the new iOS natively. I've only ever run into it once, and that was with a very niche sound based game.
There. I've played devil's advocate for you. And done so from my CM10 Android tablet. And, of course, none of those were intended to spark an argument. I'm just articulating things that are more intelligent, I hope, rebuttals to your topic. Granted, there are many loaded adjectives in my statements, and things like "rarely" and "upteen thousand" are highly subjective.
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Get more game developer support due to its much lower rate of app piracy.
Consistency in its UI across all its devices.
Consistency in its hardware making development somewhat easier in that the developers know exactly which devices will be supported and how well it will run -- see: the post in general of a guy complaining developers have seemingly abandoned tegra 2.
Not risking an app in the appstore spamming your notifications or doing other insanely annoying things.
A jailbreak and theming community that, while does allow piracy, also supports independent developers, fiscally, through official cydia repos.
Get the stupid "with friends" games long before Android does. How am I supposed to play matching with friends with my android friends!?!?
Have upteen thousand third party home appliances that support (the soon old) iOS docking port. My SONY surround sound system came with an iPhone dock, as did my Murano.
OS updates that rarely cause fragmentation. I don't know of any apps that will only run on IOS 5 and not 4, and after a upgrade, it's extremely rare to find an app that won't work on the new iOS natively. I've only ever run into it once, and that was with a very niche sound based game.
There. I've played devil's advocate for you. And done so from my CM10 Android tablet. And, of course, none of those were intended to spark an argument. I'm just articulating things that are more intelligent, I hope, rebuttals to your topic. Granted, there are many loaded adjectives in my statements, and things like "rarely" and "upteen thousand" are highly subjective.
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nah thats all fair and well but open to debate it must be
i have no idea what "with friends" games are?
be honest though how many of those above really are good points?
updates that dont really improve your system, hardware that's cost is doubled.? and ol' fact of no singularity?
i-tunes? can you add a single track now? are do you still need to re-upload a whole playlist? i still cannot get me head around the fact you cant just download an mp3 and set it as a ringtone on the i-phone,.lol
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nah thats all fair and well but open to debate it must be
i have no idea what "with friends" games are?
be honest though how many of those above really are good points?
updates that dont really improve your system, hardware that's cost is doubled.? and ol' fact of no singularity?
i-tunes? can you ass a single track ? are do you still need to re-upload a whole playlist? i still cannot get me head around the fact you can't just download an mp3 and set it as a ringtone on the i-phone,.lol
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i guess when it comes down t it there's pros and cons for both i mean for apple every device under 4.3.5 ios allows an exploit known as ssl MITM attack...plus the QuickTime pop ups that happen when an app wants to use gps and will crash the app most the time if you hit no are kind of annoying (not sure if that one is still there) But even the rooting/jail breaking part of it when an android user gains root he can flash new roms kernels gain su in terminal etc not really having to worry about malware apple on the other hand has a higher rate of malware on jailbrocken ipods.. last thing I'm going to say about apple is that there jail breaking methods exploit security holes that may also bee exploited for darker reasons, there was an example in the iphone pdf parser which allowed a document to execute code....
For android there are way higher rates of piracy unfortuently there's alot of cheapy tablets with almost no support the different kinds an sizes create huge compatabillity issues the OTA updates aren't always reliable or even where you live.....i guess that's all i have they both have pros and cons I'm just an android fanboy and can't stand apple products :laugh:
cheers i hope this doesn't cause arguments just wanted to add some more info and try not to play favorites while debating
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i guess when it comes down t it there's pros and cons for both i mean for apple every device under 4.3.5 ios allows an exploit known as ssl MITM attack...plus the QuickTime pop ups that happen when an app wants to use gps and will crash the app most the time if you hit no are kind of annoying (not sure if that one is still there) But even the rooting/jail breaking part of it when an android user gains root he can flash new roms kernels gain su in terminal etc not really having to worry about malware apple on the other hand has a higher rate of malware on jailbrocken ipods.. last thing I'm going to say about apple is that there jail breaking methods exploit security holes that may also bee exploited for darker reasons, there was an example in the iphone pdf parser which allowed a document to execute code....
For android there are way higher rates of piracy unfortuently there's alot of cheapy tablets with almost no support the different kinds an sizes create huge compatabillity issues the OTA updates aren't always reliable or even where you live.....i guess that's all i have they both have pros and cons I'm just an android fanboy and can't stand apple products :laugh:
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in no way causing arguments matey, im trying to approach the question without prejudiced, i am at heart an android, ive had an apple i had one of the gen1 i-phones, and the thing never stopped frezzing and rebooting, never had a signal, etc.
i know android can run terribly if not implemented properly by the developer, force closes wifi problems gps problems, but this is the USUAL cost when using a customization based open source system, when applied to that much diversity you would have to be stupid to think you wont run into errors. <--not directed at anyone, just generally.
example i have to calculators
one adds 2 numbers thats it,
the second has wifi, a 3ghz proc' 1 gb ram, hd video playback a camera and bluetooth and a projector on the back the maker also says you can make any application you want for YOUR device, its open for you to change what you want for how you like........im expecting some errors here n there. lol
the thing is if thats the view of point you arrive from decides if everyone having the same devices is either a good thing or a bad thing.......or should we say BAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAD thing lol
lets continue,
edit: wow this thread got 150 views over night? please guys participate but this is not a thread for ranting more of actually facing facts from both sides and submitting your input to what makes which os more functional / better performing etc etc and what features are more for you.
I think you are generalizing when it comes to this. I've met the worst fan boys when it comes to both android and apple. I actually recall this dude I knew jumping for joy when he found out Steve Jobs died...
Anyway I've used both, I used an iphone4 for about a year before switching back to android.
I feel that ios was way smoother (although now I'm using a galaxy s3, I can say android is on par with it) I miss the variety of apps that ios had to offer and android fan boys try to shoot back by saying android has more free apps but honestly, I'm willing to pay for apps if they're of quality.
I felt the music player was a tad bit better.. I've downloaded a game and for some reason all the audio files showed up on my music player on my DROID Pro(maybe it was something I did wrong?)
I actually felt like I got the most out of my iphone once I jail broke it. It was the little tweaks that I was able to do that really made the experience with ios a whole lot better. The sad thing about this though is that I had to jail break it just to have some features that were standard on Android.
But at the end of the day, like I said, it's the apps.. I use my phone for calls, text, music, and Internet. Basic features all smartphones include.. It's the apps, the games, utilities, the variety that ios offers in apps that I miss.
One more thing, I never understood why people hate apple products. They make solid products.. I guess people just need to pick a side.. You got Ford vs Chevy, imports vs domestics, windows vs mac os, android vs apple, ipod vs zune(lol) etc etc
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yeah i think this is the confirmation i was after, this post had nearly 120 views in the first half hour. no can tell me something an apple can do that android cant,.
in the words of my main bitc* hatty-may pierce......baby the truth shall set you free.
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An Apple device, can make your wallet thinner :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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An Apple device, can make your wallet thinner :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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haha yes i forget about this one XD tho cost is to high for what there asking for
Did any of you guys read this interview with Steve Wozniak?
Sorry, I can't post the link to the full interview (long time lurker, first time poster). Just google for 'Woz on Android'.
Basically he loves the iPhone for the design and loves Android for what it can do!
Below is an excerpt of that interview. For me that says it all!
But Woz says he still recommends the iPhone as the best choice for most users. “The people I recommend the iPhone 4S for are the ones who are already in the Mac world, because it’s so compatible, and people who are just scared of computers altogether and don’t want to use them. The iPhone is the least frightening thing. For that kind of person who is scared of complexity, well, here’s a phone that is simple to use and does what you need it to do,” he says.
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I think you are generalizing when it comes to this. I've met the worst fan boys when it comes to both android and apple. I actually recall this dude I knew jumping for joy when he found out Steve Jobs died...
Anyway I've used both, I used an iphone4 for about a year before switching back to android.
I feel that ios was way smoother (although now I'm using a galaxy s3, I can say android is on par with it) I miss the variety of apps that ios had to offer and android fan boys try to shoot back by saying android has more free apps but honestly, I'm willing to pay for apps if they're of quality.
I felt the music player was a tad bit better.. I've downloaded a game and for some reason all the audio files showed up on my music player on my DROID Pro(maybe it was something I did wrong?)
I actually felt like I got the most out of my iphone once I jail broke it. It was the little tweaks that I was able to do that really made the experience with ios a whole lot better. The sad thing about this though is that I had to jail break it just to have some features that were standard on Android.
But at the end of the day, like I said, it's the apps.. I use my phone for calls, text, music, and Internet. Basic features all smartphones include.. It's the apps, the games, utilities, the variety that ios offers in apps that I miss.
One more thing, I never understood why people hate apple products. They make solid products.. I guess people just need to pick a side.. You got Ford vs Chevy, imports vs domestics, windows vs mac os, android vs apple, ipod vs zune(lol) etc etc
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those point are valid, i dont mind paying for an app as long as it works. but ive noticed a large amount of apps for ios that dont actually do as described. like telling you one thing and you get something else.
about apple and solid product, no, this is the thing most people will confuse about me personally ,.....the ipad and phone COULD have been the greatest device ever,,,,,if:
A.you actually got a product on par with the price your paying
B. You bought it, you own it, you do what u want with it. not apples way
C. You wasnt forced to use the brands own very poor software to upload even a simple ringtone, i seriously dont get that....,,, oh wait i do you have to pay....not just for music but pay apple to get that music,. since when was apple my personal certified music agent?....self injected by apple very sneaky
D. apple products have had many of they're fair share of design flaws, these have just been swept under the carpet though. what about the massive i-4..."yeah the 4rth version" design flaw when you had to stick a rubber bumper on the side to get reception, and yeah you had to buy that rubber bumper ,,,, even though its apple fault.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop-to-0-when-held-left-handed/
NOW im not saying thats not a story for the android phones too but heres a small snippet about the htc one wifi problem and how htc went about fixing it for theyre valuable customers:
In addition, HTC is also urging affected users to their call customer support to see if their phone is one of the affected models. If HTC confirms that a user has a phone with the identified hardware flaw, they will issue a replacement device. <---- see the big differences?
other brands : buy a bad product from us we will fix or replace it at no cost you bought the device it should work....srry about that
apple: you bought it from us , its doesnt work.......so pay more money just get what you should already and have payed for,.
these are the things people hate about apple,
apple reminds me of that AOL Representative that wouldnt let that guy cancel his account.,... "well sir I THINK you need your account so im not goin to cancel it..........against your will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_knvtpENoQ
the one thing that I've come across are all of the software companies in the music industry absolutely LOVE the ipad (as does every musician, producer, etc. LOVE and ADORE their iphone). When i show up to gigs, rehearsals, etc... i get tons of glances and weird faces at my android. most people have no idea that it's faster and more capable.. yada yada yada. (phone is a GNex running jb)
But, whether it be large VST firms like Spectrasonics, Native Instruments, Arturia, etc. etc, or even hints from the bigger guys like ableton, protools (avid), and logic, all have ipad apps to make the ipad "the next instrument". you see all the time on youtube videos of 'ipad bands' and all that crap. it's really stupid! lol.
There are things like actual synths on ios (arturia) to realtime hardware synth integration to add extras (like oscilators, filters, etc) to even Moog synths! (which is totally awesome!). There are software synth helpers and controllers too, whether they be third party or directly from the manufacturer (like Spectrasonic's Orb).
This is very frustrating though, with android there's almost nothing out there. the best i have so far is a few midi controller apps (like touch osc, that originated on ios) and jordan rudess' MorphWizz (which he apparently uses live, but it feels like a toy).
I'm annoyed that 1. the music world is going to this, making everything feel chincy and kinda cheep (adding to the 'there's an app for that!' ;-s), but 2. that there's NOTHING for Android!
If I'm wrong, and there's stuff out there... PLEASE let me know. I'm using touch osc live on my a500 to control ableton, but i would love more apps for it!
oh yeah, one more thing. i also have a macbook pro (17 inch mother of a screen). i purchased it because of this problem. yes there are many production and synth programs on windows... but, NO, they hardly ever work well and i found that stability was 50/50 live. Had to go apple. To be honest, was hesitant, but i've enjoyed it. And apple fan boys, it's not perfect, it's not God, and it does crash.... albeit not as much as my Dell lol.
great community for the good 'ol a500!
LMFAO talk about ios and theyre GREAT APPS?
how about this a $1000 app that does nothing but shows a picture of a gem and a sentance
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I-APPS MY ASS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os2axzJHbzA&feature=related
kylereid said:
the one thing that I've come across are all of the software companies in the music industry absolutely LOVE the ipad (as does every musician, producer, etc. LOVE and ADORE their iphone). When i show up to gigs, rehearsals, etc... i get tons of glances and weird faces at my android. most people have no idea that it's faster and more capable.. yada yada yada. (phone is a GNex running jb)
But, whether it be large VST firms like Spectrasonics, Native Instruments, Arturia, etc. etc, or even hints from the bigger guys like ableton, protools (avid), and logic, all have ipad apps to make the ipad "the next instrument". you see all the time on youtube videos of 'ipad bands' and all that crap. it's really stupid! lol.
There are things like actual synths on ios (arturia) to realtime hardware synth integration to add extras (like oscilators, filters, etc) to even Moog synths! (which is totally awesome!). There are software synth helpers and controllers too, whether they be third party or directly from the manufacturer (like Spectrasonic's Orb).
This is very frustrating though, with android there's almost nothing out there. the best i have so far is a few midi controller apps (like touch osc, that originated on ios) and jordan rudess' MorphWizz (which he apparently uses live, but it feels like a toy).
I'm annoyed that 1. the music world is going to this, making everything feel chincy and kinda cheep (adding to the 'there's an app for that!' ;-s), but 2. that there's NOTHING for Android!
If I'm wrong, and there's stuff out there... PLEASE let me know. I'm using touch osc live on my a500 to control ableton, but i would love more apps for it!
oh yeah, one more thing. i also have a macbook pro (17 inch mother of a screen). i purchased it because of this problem. yes there are many production and synth programs on windows... but, NO, they hardly ever work well and i found that stability was 50/50 live. Had to go apple. To be honest, was hesitant, but i've enjoyed it. And apple fan boys, it's not perfect, it's not God, and it does crash.... albeit not as much as my Dell lol.
great community for the good 'ol a500!
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thats great info i myself as a "not even semi-pro" music dj'er i have used abletone, native, etc an yeah i did find that more was supported by ios,
But is that the O/S's fault or the developers?
chismay said:
LMFAO talk about ios and theyre GREAT APPS?
how about this a $1000 app that does nothing but shows a picture of a gem and a sentance
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I-APPS MY ASS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os2axzJHbzA&feature=related
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Really? Your gonna bring up an app that was released four years ago and that was pulled Immediately by Apple? Your a funny guy. You know it's bad when it's recommend to install some kind of anti virus software for your phone. I don't want to start arguing but the proof is in the pudding, ios has more apps, a wider selection and overall better apps, even if you have to pay for them.
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chismay said:
those point are valid, i dont mind paying for an app as long as it works. but ive noticed a large amount of apps for ios that dont actually do as described. like telling you one thing and you get something else.
about apple and solid product, no, this is the thing most people will confuse about me personally ,.....the ipad and phone COULD have been the greatest device ever,,,,,if:
A.you actually got a product on par with the price your paying
B. You bought it, you own it, you do what u want with it. not apples way
C. You wasnt forced to use the brands own very poor software to upload even a simple ringtone, i seriously dont get that....,,, oh wait i do you have to pay....not just for music but pay apple to get that music,. since when was apple my personal certified music agent?....self injected by apple very sneaky
D. apple products have had many of they're fair share of design flaws, these have just been swept under the carpet though. what about the massive i-4..."yeah the 4rth version" design flaw when you had to stick a rubber bumper on the side to get reception, and yeah you had to buy that rubber bumper ,,,, even though its apple fault.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop-to-0-when-held-left-handed/
NOW im not saying thats not a story for the android phones too but heres a small snippet about the htc one wifi problem and how htc went about fixing it for theyre valuable customers:
In addition, HTC is also urging affected users to their call customer support to see if their phone is one of the affected models. If HTC confirms that a user has a phone with the identified hardware flaw, they will issue a replacement device. <---- see the big differences?
other brands : buy a bad product from us we will fix or replace it at no cost you bought the device it should work....srry about that
apple: you bought it from us , its doesnt work.......so pay more money just get what you should already and have payed for,.
these are the things people hate about apple,
apple reminds me of that AOL Representative that wouldnt let that guy cancel his account.,... "well sir I THINK you need your account so im not goin to cancel it..........against your will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_knvtpENoQ
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I agree with the whole ring tone, buying a song off itunes is one thing but not being able to set it as a ring tone is just plain obsurd.. Who knows maybe they'll offer it as a feature in one of their updates ha ha ha ha.. I also don't like how finicky the iphone is when it comes to trying to play videos on it... With my galaxy s3 I just drag and drop and it plays pretty much any video format I have.
I thought both the iphone and ipad were priced decently. My galaxy s3 cost just as much as an iphone4.. I mean how much was a motorola xoom when it came out? Roughly the same amount as an ipad think.
I'm really not trying to argue, we can go back and forth all day, iphone had reception issues, a few of the nexus line of phones has screen issues, it happens.. Although people seem to be a bit more harsh when it's apple.. I remember I had an HTC evo, phone worked fine but the software had a bug.. there was a known android bug where I would click on a text but it would send me to a different contact, me unknowingly would shoot out the text and by the time I realized someone else had gotten the text... It was too late.. I had a lot of embarrassing moments because of this. I know apple had that one clock bug where it didn't update to daylights savings time... Everybody has problems..no company's is perfect... I don't know what I'm getting with this really, I'm a neutral guy. I use both os's, they both have their pros and cons... That's all I gotta say.
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chismay said:
thats great info i myself as a "not even semi-pro" music dj'er i have used abletone, native, etc an yeah i did find that more was supported by ios,
But is that the O/S's fault or the developers?
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agreed, but as we've seen with Flipboard and every other popular ios app, is android support THAT much different? lol
Moscow Desire said:
An Apple device, can make your wallet thinner :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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And there's an APP for that too!
kylereid said:
agreed, but as we've seen with Flipboard and every other popular ios app, is android support THAT much different? lol
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i read somewhere that the reason why iOS had such great dj'ing and music apps is sound processing. nobody can deny ipods have the greatest sound, better than any portable music player. apple took that and added it to the pads and phones. dunno if it's a software or hardware thing, but it's there. with jellybean now out i thought that might change a bit but i have not seen anything about it yet.
btw some Apple fanboys that i know are actually happy that Google fixed the fragmentation and wrote the gpu code from scratch. as another user said in earlier post, the OSes are paired in performance now.
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