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Apple OS 4 Change-Log

Apple rolls out v4.0 of their iPhone OS for dev preview and finally, multitasking will be officially available. Seems like a lot of changes in security, performance and feature updates.
1. Multitasking (apple claims that its going to be best at this, just like copy/paste). They also admit that it might make the phone's performance sluggish.
2. Phone's notification bar now shows if someone requested for its location.
3. Fast App Switching allows an app to save its session and resume from there later.
4. Drag and drop app icons in custom folders. That means you can now have any number of apps. When you run out of space, just create a folder any drag apps into them. (There is something more but i didn't make what Steve was trying to explain.
5. Unified inbox for several mail clients, including fast inbox switching to focus on a specific client. Attachments can now be opened with a third party app. Support for multiple Exchange accounts and some VPN options.
6. iBooks on iPhone.
7. More privileges to developers including interaction with calendar, photo library, quicklook etc. Over 1500 new APIs and a new framework for hardware accelerated math function (called accelerate).
8. Better gaming with social gaming network.
9. iAds, thats delivers mobile advertisements with emotions (I don't know what Steve meant by this).
10. Create playlists, 5x digital zoom, tap to focus on video, gift apps, geotagging, places in the photo app, change the homescreen wallpaper, bluetooth keyboards, spell checker etc.
There are over 100 new updates, these were the only ones revealed at the event.
Some of the features are really funny, like folders, wallpapers, playlists, geotagging, spell checker. What I don't get is that Android already supports all of these features (other than the iCraps) but new versions of Android aren't as anticipated as iPhone's OS. Seems like Google really needs some good marketing strategies.

Yeah I agree.
It annoys me how much of a cult that apple has following its every move. Even if they don't come out with the best product they have so many sheep that will buy their products at the drop of a hat it doesn't matter how inferior their products are. Dunno if I would even want Google followers to become sheep like they are with Apple.
If Google did the same thing and put together keynotes / apple style events and focused on a few particular products then I could see it but there's a big difference between the two: Apple is a hardware company, Google is a advertising company. Hard for Google to have Keynotes about its Android operating system when most of the devices aren't even on the latest version.
Perhaps FroYo will change this...

Is this coming to the current iphone or just for hte next-gen iphone?

INeedYourHelp said:
Is this coming to the current iphone or just for hte next-gen iphone?
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Its coming out for current phones this summer...

faraz1992 said:
Its coming out for current phones this summer...
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not every feature. i believe they said multitasking will only be on the new version.

I do believe that Apples announcement is very much an update full of catchup!
Certainly pretty much all features announced android can do natively!
The problem I have and i'm by no means an apple fanboy as I have an N1 and love it sinece coming from my 3GS is that the android implementation needs to be way more polished.
Exchange support for me is a biggy and needs to be much better the HTC Desire ROM is much improved over stock google one for the N1 but still room for improvement.
I would like all my email in one exchange and gmail in one app rather than have to flick between two different apps.
but hey!

ap3604 said:
Yeah I agree.
It annoys me how much of a cult that apple has following its every move. Even if they don't come out with the best product they have so many sheep that will buy their products at the drop of a hat it doesn't matter how inferior their products are. Dunno if I would even want Google followers to become sheep like they are with Apple.
If Google did the same thing and put together keynotes / apple style events and focused on a few particular products then I could see it but there's a big difference between the two: Apple is a hardware company, Google is a advertising company. Hard for Google to have Keynotes about its Android operating system when most of the devices aren't even on the latest version.
Perhaps FroYo will change this...
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I agree here, I don't know if I want Android to have slaves around it like Apple - those Apple fanboys tend to get irritating, and hearing Android ones wouldn't be too soothing either..
Google is hiring a marketing manager, OP, let's just hope they don't go overboard. Just enough to bring Android more into the eyes of the public.

Eclair~ said:
I agree here, I don't know if I want Android to have slaves around it like Apple - those Apple fanboys tend to get irritating, and hearing Android ones wouldn't be too soothing either..
Google is hiring a marketing manager, OP, let's just hope they don't go overboard. Just enough to bring Android more into the eyes of the public.
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Yes, we need to always remind google that it does have flaws, and that it needs improve its core apps.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not going to buy a nexus 2 unless that phone wows me just like the n1 did.

jz9833 said:
not every feature. i believe they said multitasking will only be on the new version.
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multi on 3GS and the 4th gen

zachthemaster said:
multi on 3GS and the 4th gen
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No multi for 3g??? I thought it had a good processor....

@faraz1992 - Not good enough it would seem.
Looks like iPhone OS 4 is bringing the iPhone up to par with my Nokia 3330 though ;-p
Google really should advertise the Android OS. iPhones are a joke in comparison. Its taken until version 4 to be able to change the home screen?!?! UNBELIEVABLE!

Just sayin'
All of you complaining about fanboys, are acting like fanboys yourselves. So, umm, STFU you morons

bobtentpeg said:
Just sayin'
All of you complaining about fanboys, are acting like fanboys yourselves. So, umm, STFU you morons
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Ooo "stfu", you are definitely not an immature moron. This is an Android section, obviously the people here will have more interest in Android and more hate in Apple. Even if they are acting like fanboys, their statements are quite true.
This fourth OS is nothing too spectacular - many features it contains are already preset in Android, and many other phone that have been out for a while, now just because Apple is announcing it - it is seen as something of amazement..

Why is this posted in nexus forum?

Doc
Thanks for the post. A very interesting topic indeed.
Even with all the problems I've had with my Nexus One (Touch input indexed incorrectly, Phone locking up during phone calls via Google Voice) I doubt I would ever even think about switching back to the iphone much less actually do it.
That said, I believe Google could benefit greatly by adopting 2 apple iphone platform paradigms (say that 3 times fast)
1) A more rigorous app store review process. Too much crap makes it way to the Android app store in my opinion. Google should review each app to ensure it meets certain quality measurements both in interface design and "under the hood". Apple, and thus the iphone platform, benefits greatly from being able to ensure end users that any app they use from their store will work with the phone and will meet apple's very high (almost too high) quality standards. I doubt very many of us can honestly argue that apple doesn't make a product that is great to use. Apple's stuff glistens and people want stuff that glistens...or at least I do!
2) Funnel all payments through Google and then back out to the developers. the iphone app store again benefits greatly from the fact that any purchase you make goes through your iTunes account. You never have to try and fumble around trying to key in a credit card number directly into the phone and you can be sure you information is safe (or at least is only in one database). Simply said, it simplifies the process. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of mass consumerism but the iphone app store, because of what I said in my first item and because of what I stated in the second lends itself greatly to impulse buying or, at the very least, kills having to debate whether you feel like whipping out your credit card, keying all the information in, submitting, worrying about where your data is going, etc. etc. I can buy with confidence. And when I buy I want to be confident about what I'm getting and I want the process to be fast and simple. the iphone app store is fast and simple.
anyway, again a great topic.

DaveKid said:
Doc
2) Funnel all payments through Google and then back out to the developers. the iphone app store again benefits greatly from the fact that any purchase you make goes through your iTunes account. You never have to try and fumble around trying to key in a credit card number directly into the phone and you can be sure you information is safe (or at least is only in one database). Simply said, it simplifies the process.
anyway, again a great topic.
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But you don't have to type your CC number in to buy an app all the time?
I have my card stored on my google account I just clicked 'buy' or am I misreading your post?

Amdathlonuk said:
But you don't have to type your CC number in to buy an app all the time?
I have my card stored on my google account I just clicked 'buy' or am I misreading your post?
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yes...my bad. It was assumed by me that we all know you don't ALWAYS have to type it in. Also, I believe there is a review process in place but again I assumed that we all know it isn't nearly as rigorous as with the iphone app store.
But I do want to add one more thing. Google should be funneling money into XDA!!!! this site and some others like it are the life blood of the android OS and it's popularization and customization. If Google were smart they would fund the development of the XDA site and get the main players involved on the payroll....(this assumes that anyone involved would actually like to be on their payroll. autonomy does have it's own set of niceties)

DocRambone said:
Why is this posted in nexus forum?
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Its posted in the nexus one forum so that we can make fun of what apple's newest update has to offer. People going crazy about this update because of features like wallpapers, folders and MULTITASKING, something that first generation android phones were capable of...

Easy way to get the Ipad UI on the Iconia (funny)

Hey guys I just found out about an easy way to get the ipad UI.
Takes a few minutes and just a few steps.
1. Get an apple logo and cover the Acer name on the back of your tab and fill all usb, hdmi and sd ports with super glue, because ipads get fustrated with to much ports, or apple will send you to jail and sue your ass for putting ios on another device. Then restart the device.
2. It might take a little longer than normal for your tab to start up because it thinks its and I pad now and is not used to having everything it does controlled and monitored.
3. Once it starts up, in the upper right corner of the home screen you will see a button called, "Apps", click it.
4. Waallaa, you now have the I pad UI.
This UI is great with its huge selection of fully customizable Wallpapers!
Hate notifications? Great you won't see those any more. There only for smart people who like some productivity in their life anyway.
Also like searching through useless apps to find the weather, time or simple email? Then you will love this ui.
This is still in its test stages but so far no bugs have been found!
Download here----> i Like my tab uncustomizable and owned by a communist company v1.0.zip
Haha I thought I'd get some humor in the forums.
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Ah yes, most amusing...
Oh, and it's "Voilà" by the way, not "Waallaa".

You forgot the final step!
Totally forgot the most vital step in this process:
- Sign up for as many tech related message boards as you can - then take it upon yourself to educate the world as to how superior your device is compared to any non-apple device. When people mention things like "ports" and "Working Adobe Flash Support" just put your fingers in your ears and make annoying sounds.
- If available in your area, hit up the local apple "I need a friend" bar, where you can find other people to talk about the superiority of anything Steve Jobs has ever done.

hummmmm
I am totally lost. Guess you gotta have a apple product to understand
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just get the touchwiz and setup similar to iOS///

stay classy monkey10120

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stay classy monkey10120
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Lol I see what you did there

you know, you'd think that tech minded people would be logical. But that doesn't ever seem to be true.
I have an android phone and iconia tablet. But I don't feel the need to justify my purchase by constantly making up wild claims and trash talking things that aren't what I chose to buy.
Apple makes amazing machines. Anyone who tries to deny that is a short sited fool who just wants to epeen all around the internet to make themselves feel cool.
The only people who talk trash on apple products are the ones who've never used one for more than 30 seconds. So chill out, you just make yourself look like a fool by trash talking something you obviously are not knowledgeable about.
You know why apple locks things out? So your machine works seemlessly and perfectly every time you use it. So that there aren't conflicts between programs or hardware that require constant tweeking to work through, so you have a top quality piece of gear.
example. I have a custom pc I built myself (well several, but my main) is decently fast and constantly being upgraded. It currently has a 2.3 quad core AMD chip with 8 gig of ram. On anything other than gaming my 1.3 dual core, 2gb ram macbook pro leaves it in the dust every time. And I don't have to spend hours constantly working on it to get it to do that. Not once in 6 years have I had a single error, a single bad boot, a single virus, spyware, or even hiccup on the macbook.
So please keep in mind that you look like a tool to anyone who has used both pc and mac and judges a machine on it's reality instead of on the same misrepresenting pile of myths that PC-propagandists have been regurgitating for over a decade.

i like both
Ease of use and stabilty is apples strong suit.
I'm new to droid and have rooted a few devices and recently the a500.
I have experience building computers and am looking forward to all tech and software.
Can't wait for an omap5 tab with dual boot os or tri boot.
Imagine a500 with win8 and icecream.
Bring it. I like options and open source I choose root.

skullkandy said:
you know, you'd think that tech minded people would be logical. But that doesn't ever seem to be true.
I have an android phone and iconia tablet. But I don't feel the need to justify my purchase by constantly making up wild claims and trash talking things that aren't what I chose to buy.
Apple makes amazing machines. Anyone who tries to deny that is a short sited fool who just wants to epeen all around the internet to make themselves feel cool.
The only people who talk trash on apple products are the ones who've never used one for more than 30 seconds. So chill out, you just make yourself look like a fool by trash talking something you obviously are not knowledgeable about.
You know why apple locks things out? So your machine works seemlessly and perfectly every time you use it. So that there aren't conflicts between programs or hardware that require constant tweeking to work through, so you have a top quality piece of gear.
example. I have a custom pc I built myself (well several, but my main) is decently fast and constantly being upgraded. It currently has a 2.3 quad core AMD chip with 8 gig of ram. On anything other than gaming my 1.3 dual core, 2gb ram macbook pro leaves it in the dust every time. And I don't have to spend hours constantly working on it to get it to do that. Not once in 6 years have I had a single error, a single bad boot, a single virus, spyware, or even hiccup on the macbook.
So please keep in mind that you look like a tool to anyone who has used both pc and mac and judges a machine on it's reality instead of on the same misrepresenting pile of myths that PC-propagandists have been regurgitating for over a decade.
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I don't think anyone else before you really need to chill out - you seem to be the only one really riled up about this post. Yes Apple has great hardware, no-one is denying that (apart from the iPad2 camera maybe), and yes we are all aware that Apple locks down their OSs to ensure a smooth experience.
Thing is, this is XDA, and the majority of people on here WANT to be able to tweak their machines to how they see fit. I'm one of those people and it's the main reason I don't have iDevices. If I don't like something I want to change its behaviour, and that's not always possible with Apple devices (at least without having to jailbreak).
Maybe the reason you're acting like a tool on here is because you need a reason to justify spending the extra dollars on your shiny Macbook pro. Yes it works for you, good for you. The minute you come on here calling us short "sited" (sic) fools just paints yourself as someone who likes to epeen around the internet to make themselves look cool and enlightened.
Get a sense of humour. Even the most stalwart of Apple users should be able to admit some of the shortcomings of their devices, as can users of other devices. Or maybe you suffer from the typical Stockholm Syndrome that seems to infect many iFans.

nytrojen said:
I don't think anyone else before you really need to chill out - you seem to be the only one really riled up about this post. Yes Apple has great hardware, no-one is denying that (apart from the iPad2 camera maybe), and yes we are all aware that Apple locks down their OSs to ensure a smooth experience.
Thing is, this is XDA, and the majority of people on here WANT to be able to tweak their machines to how they see fit. I'm one of those people and it's the main reason I don't have iDevices. If I don't like something I want to change its behaviour, and that's not always possible with Apple devices (at least without having to jailbreak).
Maybe the reason you're acting like a tool on here is because you need a reason to justify spending the extra dollars on your shiny Macbook pro. Yes it works for you, good for you. The minute you come on here calling us short "sited" (sic) fools just paints yourself as someone who likes to epeen around the internet to make themselves look cool and enlightened.
Get a sense of humour. Even the most stalwart of Apple users should be able to admit some of the shortcomings of their devices, as can users of other devices. Or maybe you suffer from the typical Stockholm Syndrome that seems to infect many iFans.
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+1!!! Took the words right out of my mouth =D

skullkandy said:
you know, you'd think that tech minded people would be logical. But that doesn't ever seem to be true.
I have an android phone and iconia tablet. But I don't feel the need to justify my purchase by constantly making up wild claims and trash talking things that aren't what I chose to buy.
Apple makes amazing machines. Anyone who tries to deny that is a short sited fool who just wants to epeen all around the internet to make themselves feel cool.
The only people who talk trash on apple products are the ones who've never used one for more than 30 seconds. So chill out, you just make yourself look like a fool by trash talking something you obviously are not knowledgeable about.
You know why apple locks things out? So your machine works seemlessly and perfectly every time you use it. So that there aren't conflicts between programs or hardware that require constant tweeking to work through, so you have a top quality piece of gear.
example. I have a custom pc I built myself (well several, but my main) is decently fast and constantly being upgraded. It currently has a 2.3 quad core AMD chip with 8 gig of ram. On anything other than gaming my 1.3 dual core, 2gb ram macbook pro leaves it in the dust every time. And I don't have to spend hours constantly working on it to get it to do that. Not once in 6 years have I had a single error, a single bad boot, a single virus, spyware, or even hiccup on the macbook.
So please keep in mind that you look like a tool to anyone who has used both pc and mac and judges a machine on it's reality instead of on the same misrepresenting pile of myths that PC-propagandists have been regurgitating for over a decade.
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Wow.
You seem rather upset over a bit of sillyness. Of course apple makes an amazing product - modern phones/tablets are amazing.
So "chill out". You don't want to "look like a tool", right?

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The only people who talk trash on apple products are the ones who've never used one for more than 30 seconds. So chill out, you just make yourself look like a fool by trash talking something you obviously are not knowledgeable about.
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I've spent countless hours on iPhones, my fiancée owns one, and I have several friends that own them. I've jailbroken them and even taken one apart. I think the phone is a child's toy and would never want to own one. Your assertion has been invalidated by a single individual due to your poor choice of words.
My question is, and I genuinely would love an answer to this. Why are you so defensive about apple products? Are you a designer? If so, that would make sense, I would not want to read about people bashing something I devoted so much effort into. But if not, and again, I genuinely mean this, why are you so defensive?

HAHA nice. When I first saw the thread headline I was gonna slap whoever started the thread thinking it was for real. Very funny! Love the part about super gluing the ports shut.

i guess it's easy in comparison to make your os run smooth when there is no USB support, no ports, etc...
Basic = ios

I knew an apple fanboy would rant on this one, op hilarious howto though
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you know how some apple fans are
With the expense of apples tablets/phones - it's no wonder the fanboys get really defensive - no one wants to consider the idea that they overpaid for a device that, quite frankly, is lacking in the features department.
Sure - the IPad is impressive. But once you factor in the lack of ports, lack of adobe flash support, and the locked down nature of the OS - it's a hell of a lot less impressive.
Sure - the IPhone is impressive. But once you factor in the cost, lack of adobe flash support, and the locked down OS - you get the idea...

I would give you more points and arguments. But like usual your only "argument" if you can call it that is "you're a fanboy!!!!" because factual discussion is something you douches are unable to handle....as are every moron who likes to talk trash on apple products without having a clue what they're even talking about.
I choose to use pc for my gaming and android for my mobile devices because they fit what I want them for. But that doesn't mean apple sucks or all the other idiotic things you people say around here. In fact apple makes amazing software and hardware.
I'm only advocating not being a fool and if you're going to talk trash then know what the heck you're saying...which none of you do. It irritates me to no end when people think it makes their e-peen bigger to talk down anything that isn't what they have. It doesn't make you cool, or hip and ironic.
Everyone in the room who hasn't ever used an apple product for more than 15 seconds shouldn't be allowed to open their mouths as they're just talking out their arse to hear themselves speak....oh wait that doesn't leave anyone else here.

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I would give you more points and arguments. But like usual your only "argument" if you can call it that is "you're a fanboy!!!!" because factual discussion is something you douches are unable to handle....as are every moron who likes to talk trash on apple products without having a clue what they're even talking about.
I choose to use pc for my gaming and android for my mobile devices because they fit what I want them for. But that doesn't mean apple sucks or all the other idiotic things you people say around here. In fact apple makes amazing software and hardware.
I'm only advocating not being a fool and if you're going to talk trash then know what the heck you're saying...which none of you do. It irritates me to no end when people think it makes their e-peen bigger to talk down anything that isn't what they have. It doesn't make you cool, or hip and ironic.
Everyone in the room who hasn't ever used an apple product for more than 15 seconds shouldn't be allowed to open their mouths as they're just talking out their arse to hear themselves speak....oh wait that doesn't leave anyone else here.
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Way to go, dude. Not only did you refer to xda members as "Morons", but you seem to be pretty upset over this thread. The OP was making a silly joke about what is one of the primary advantages of the Acer Iconia Android tablet over the Apple IPad - why does this offend you so much, to the point where you are willing to make a post as rude as the one I just quoted?
Do I think you are taking things way too seriously? Yes, I do. Will I call you a "Moron" for expressing your opinion? No, I won't. However, I think you are getting a little upset over what is intended to be amusing.
If you would like to logically discuss the reasons many users feel the Acer Iconia to be a superior product (again, ports, cost, and flash support are my reasons why I find apple hardware to be useless) - that would be fun! If you are just going to hurl insults via the internet - I would recommend you head over to a forum full of die hard apple fans - you are much less likely to find anything that upsets you or causes you to type a post like the one you just did.

Can we please not have flame wars over nothing!
I have an iPhone and the Iconia Tab, and I find both equally good in their own place. When I purchased this tablet about a month back, I had to choose between iPad 2 and Iconia, and I went with Iconia just because of the reasons mentioned here countless times (the Flash support, full USB 2.0 port, cheaper and generally better hardware). However, before iPhone I was the proud owner of a Samsung Galaxy S, a device that blows iPhone 4 right out the window when it comes to sheer hardware. However, my life is more peaceful since I switched, mainly because I am not flashing ROMs every weekend, looking for better features and builds.
My point is simply this: both Apple and Android have their own merits and demerits. Apple's closed system delivers the easiest and frankly, most convenient user experience. Android, on the other hand, not only features better hardware (generally), but also allows more flexibility in terms of what you want to do with your device and how you want to treat it.
In the end, it all boils down to a user's own preference on how they want to use their device, and what for. No reason to get all worked up about it.
And oh, I'd think twice before calling anyone at XDA a 'moron'. The guys here are the finest you'll find anywhere, and they love what they do, making Android a more pleasant experience for all of us.
P.S. to the OP, hilarious! brilliant idea!

IOS5 new interface Android like

Very interesting to see the new changes in IOS 5 look a lot like Android UI . Added notifications bar etc.

But rumbleweed, according to ipad users the transformer with honeycomb UI is just an imitation. So, surely, it was android that copied this feature from iOS.

Rumbleweed said:
Very interesting to see the new changes in IOS 5 look a lot like Android UI . Added notifications bar etc.
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We all know they copied, but Apple brainwashed idiots will never admit that. They will get kicked out of the cult.

Interesting fact - the famous click wheel in iPods was also not an innovation. I had it in... a computer monitor 10 years before iPods. (I still have the monitor if someone wants proof it still works)

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We all know they copied, but Apple brainwashed idiots will never admit that. They will get kicked out of the cult.
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Even Apple admitted it when they launched Ios5 at WWDC in June

Look at all those apple idiots going "wow, look at this brand new innovation!"
Little do they know we've been having these interfaces for ages. Like I said before. You need to drop your IQ by 50 points to be an apple fan.
Virtually all those updates in ios 5 have been used by android for quite some time now. Again, look at all those apple fan idiots clapping away thinking they're the first to get these features. Sad...

Well, in all fairness to the audience, one can't tell if they're clapping because they think this is a new, innovative technology or simply because they're happy to finally see decent notifications in iOS. I'm guessing it's the latter.
Now, from Apple's perspective, the whole thing just highlights their incredible hypocrisy. They're suing everyone left and right for "stealing" Apple "ideas" and implying that everyone else is simply copying them and not innovating, and yet here they are blatantly copying Android's functionality (with a little webOS tossed into the mix). Why they get away with this is more of a sociological question than anything else, but it sure is frustrating as hell.

what a load of bull notification and going straight to the app we have had that for 12 months

the thing is the notification bar is nothing like it is on the android - the android version is loads better and before anyone says i've got android and iphone 4 unning ios5 at the moment.
i prefer android os to iphone and with apple suing everybody for doing this/that with android phones i wish google would comeback and say to apple you now copying us and sue them...
in all honesty though i wish these stupid patent lawsuits end and everyone work together to bring consumers good products and let us decide what we want to use.....

I hate apple since the day i heard of them, their Icrap, Isnob, Ibrainwashers are all crap for me, never had any rotting apple thing harware, never will. hope samsung and google will sue their ass until their only fans will be apple employs.
Hands up for android, and I can't wait for nexus prime. should be the best phone ever, will we finally see ice cream sandwitch on our TF?
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walkerx said:
the thing is the notification bar is nothing like it is on the android - the android version is loads better and before anyone says i've got android and iphone 4 unning ios5 at the moment.
i prefer android os to iphone and with apple suing everybody for doing this/that with android phones i wish google would comeback and say to apple you now copying us and sue them...
in all honesty though i wish these stupid patent lawsuits end and everyone work together to bring consumers good products and let us decide what we want to use.....
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Makes me wonder why others dont sue Apple even if they know theyd lose. It would point out a lot of "innovations" to the public.
Heck, why not pick on Apple in the media? The commercials?
WHy dont we see a version of "Hi, im an android" commercial where they can point out the notifications, flash, widgets..etc.?

IOS5 could be the best thing ever, but as i did, i'd rather spend £150 on a htc desire from ebay and stick miui rom on there and get all the goodness of android, rather than pay 300+ just to say i have an apple phone, surely people would rather pay for quality than get ripped off for a named brand, have you seen the cheapest macbook? the specs on them are poor, yet you can pay £300 for a windows laptop with better specs, crazy crazy crazy

the real reason apple fanboys dont see this stuff is they have the me too mentality, they just want what "everyone" has i saw it when i use to work at a big box store, people would come in ask for ipods, not meaning actual ipods but mp3 players, while most would buy the ipod even if there was something better on the market, alot of people bought the sandisk cheepo stuff and still referred to it as a ipod. apple has brand recognition, people want what is "cool". i have a ipad and you know what in the 1.5 years i have had it i have used my transformer more in the 6 months ive had it.

nice one, iv had my transformer since sunday, its such an amazing peice of kit, i cant praise it enough, and thats with it being unrootable at the moment, once that happens then this thing will be untouchable

mikelt89 said:
I hate apple since the day i heard of them, their Icrap, Isnob, Ibrainwashers are all crap for me, never had any rotting apple thing harware, never will.
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Or in other words "I have no clue what I'm talking about". How does this make you any better than the people you criticize so harshly? And isn't it snobbish not to want to do anything with something you percieve as inferior?

I loved my old ipod touch but that was only beacuse it was the best thing at the time for apps and modding and i wouldn't say i hate apple they do "make" nice hardware. But software wise not innovative at all.
also saw this yesterday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq-e0getf4M

mrevankyle said:
I loved my old ipod touch but that was only beacuse it was the best thing at the time for apps and modding and i wouldn't say i hate apple they do "make" nice hardware. But software wise not innovative at all.
also saw this yesterday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq-e0getf4M
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software wise they are very constricting, and require you to do all this stuff to your videos to get them to play on thier crap.

old news...

mrevankyle said:
I loved my old ipod touch but that was only beacuse it was the best thing at the time for apps and modding and i wouldn't say i hate apple they do "make" nice hardware. But software wise not innovative at all.
also saw this yesterday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq-e0getf4M
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I'm actually pissed off that apple is so blatently stealing other people's ideas and calling them their own. And the ifanboys are idiot enough to swallow this lie.

mrevankyle said:
I loved my old ipod touch but that was only beacuse it was the best thing at the time for apps and modding and i wouldn't say i hate apple they do "make" nice hardware. But software wise not innovative at all.
also saw this yesterday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq-e0getf4M
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That video is classic bro. I haven't really cared to much to try and see what this 'NEW' ios is about, what a joke. They have just taken everything everybody in the android community has had for ages and have tried to make it there own. Not a lot of innovation being used there.

Would You Consider an IPhone....

To start with,I'm not even sure if it is right to have this kind of post....
but for my curiosity,I would love to know your opinion on this one.
I bet most of us have been with android system for quite a while and have used and Iphone or least try em'....
And after all the happiness and sadness you gone through an android,
Would You Consider Switching Back/Change To an IPhone?
And I for one,will never look back...

No No No No

never...
I HATE the look of ios. So boring, rows and rows of icons. Blech

No No No No No
Damn you Scooby you ruined my post, it was supposed to be an increment for Iris' post hehe

I have both. Each has their own strengths and weaknesses. I only preffer Android now since apps i used on IOS, have ported to Android.
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Funny as I was checking on replies for this thread,I am also right in the middle of an article from yahoo news saying that Blackberry is dying a slow painful death(kind of,they just didn't shout it out loud to Bb's)

I've never used an iPhone long enough to actually make a comparison, i do love the smoothness of iOS but the idea of getting stuck with iTunes turns me off. I've read that ICS will have hardware acceleration, so the smoothness may be solved as soon as ICS is ported to x10 through CM9, MIUI etc.
the other thing that used to attract me was the enourmous game library, but lately nearly every game i hear about on iOS gets an Android port so, i'm ok with that.

an idiotphone? No, never, you just sent a shiver down my back thinking about it

I'd never use an iPhone, NEVER.
you have to go through a whole lot of trouble to stay up to date with an iphone, jailbrake, make sure you don't update to an unjailbreakable version, buy the new phone when it comes out 6 months later...
Bleh, my 3 years old X10 is still working perfectly fine with all the latest apps, I can't say the same about an iphone 3G.

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I'd never use an iPhone, NEVER.
you have to go through a whole lot of trouble to stay up to date with an iphone, jailbrake, make sure you don't update to an unjailbreakable version, buy the new phone when it comes out 6 months later...
Bleh, my 3 years old X10 is still working perfectly fine with all the latest apps, I can't say the same about an iphone 3G.
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Lol although I agree about not wanting an iPhone, this is pretty fallacious as well.
X10 does not at all work "fine with all the latest apps".
stuff that isn't compatible simply doesn't show in the market, believe me there would be about an equal amount of apps you couldn't run on the x10 and iPhone 3g..

I dont hate the apple products but lets say i just prefer the android os.
because IOS is very boring not much customisable
i mean when i flick through my homescreen on x10 i dont get bored ! On iphone there is no widget so really boring homescreens.
let alone the fact no app drawer you can barely see the wallpaper you have set lol...
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Lol although I agree about not wanting an iPhone, this is pretty fallacious as well.
X10 does not at all work "fine with all the latest apps".
stuff that isn't compatible simply doesn't show in the market, believe me there would be about an equal amount of apps you couldn't run on the x10 and iPhone 3g..
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Maybe not on the Market app on the phone but on the Market website, even from the phone, they do show. And up on the left hand side it says it's not compatible with your [insert phone model here].
Edit: On topic, only if it were free (to play around with, not for daily use) or if someone paid me. I only put iTunes on a PC once (a spare pc at that) and only cause someone paid me to put their cds onto their iPod.

No one can deny the smoothness of iOS(i haven't used android 4 still).
At first I loved iOS before i even knew about android. But after using an Android phone I don't think I would go back(unless they do something extraordinary changes in OS ).
Android on apple hardware is my dream lol
no offence to anyone

Nothing wrong with an iphone , excellent phones... this is my first smart phone oddly enough, never was into phones...until I got my hands on this one...wow what an experience. Never judge a book by its cover.
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no no never buying an iphone doesn't even worth.

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No one can deny the smoothness of iOS(i haven't used android 4 still).
At first I loved iOS before i even knew about android. But after using an Android phone I don't think I would go back(unless they do something extraordinary changes in OS ).
Android on apple hardware is my dream lol
no offence to anyone
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Yes their is android for iPhone
If u are jailbroken and its easy
But stuff won't work
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shahkam said:
I dont hate the apple products but lets say i just prefer the android os.
because IOS is very boring not much customisable
i mean when i flick through my homescreen on x10 i dont get bored ! On iphone there is no widget so really boring homescreens.
let alone the fact no app drawer you can barely see the wallpaper you have set lol...
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To think about this again,back then,I never dislike neither its products,nor the user themselves(now I can say I hate both)...I used to even think that they are a great innovator when they first released an IPhone(even though overpriced).
First,it all started whenever I talk to Apple user,it borings me because everytime we talk about technology,there is none besides what Apple brings to the table(sigh).It would even bothers me when we even discuss about media download,when I say a decent 320kbps mp3 music file is enough for me,they will deny it by saying nothing is acceptable if its not lossless.When I say that a normal BRrip avi file is already more than watchable enough,they will say nothing is like mkv.
And it really sickens me when I say 4 inch screen is nice when I watch youtube on it,they will say,TOO BIG,
when I say a new phone just came out with dual core processor,they will say it is UNNECESSARY,
when I say it is good that now we have a lot of choices for smartphone,they will say FRAGMENTATION.....
And the list goes on.
And to the point I see almost all Apple Users are all F**k Up.I start to notice whoever own one of the IDevices,there is a need for them to flash it public and brag about how cool it is when possible....
And as for Apple Inc.,when they sue Samsung for rounded edges,I think they just wanna protect their rights,but lately it doesn't seem so,it is more like they are all against all the android big boys(Samsung,Htc,Motorola).And they have already stop innovating something that is cool enough to the eyes of the most people and try clinging to the only products that is sell-able for as long as they can.And to do that,they need to take everyone else out by keep suing them.
Latest court case they won against HTC is based on auto-parsing,which whenever you get a phone number via short message,the phone will recognize it,you can dial it from the dial pad straight away....and such thing.I think my 8 years Sony Ericsson P990i can already do that(if not older),such claim is bad for all of us consumer,at least from my point of view.
And recently,Apple file up a case against Samsung again for infringement on about 10 FREAKING PHONE CASING...can you believe that?
I think Apple R&D is already dying...no new products to keep up,and yet they need to make money as much as they can.
And for today,I think Apple should just go to hell...the way I see it I'm not going to buy anything from them and not in the near future....

I wouldn't switch either. I just love playing around with android too much.
That being said, I do use my girlfriends iPhone for games when we are bored. That and for photography because android photo apps just seem sub par sadly.
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I've got a 3Gs for as my work phone. I barely touch it. It's running IOS 5.0.1 and it's rendered it mostly unusable. battery life is poultry, phone is laggy & unresponsive as heck, and if i visit a website that requires login or user input to continue, I get stuck in a login screen loop. Add iTunes to this and it's really just a nightmare. We've started setting the partners up with 4S's, and while they are admittedly quite speedy/smooth, itunes still ruins the experience. As well as the boring interface.
I'm not a big fan of the hardware design either. There are much nicer looking phones about.

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To think about this again,back then,I never dislike neither its products,nor the user themselves(now I can say I hate both)...I used to even think that they are a great innovator when they first released an IPhone(even though overpriced).
First,it all started whenever I talk to Apple user,it borings me because everytime we talk about technology,there is none besides what Apple brings to the table(sigh).It would even bothers me when we even discuss about media download,when I say a decent 320kbps mp3 music file is enough for me,they will deny it by saying nothing is acceptable if its not lossless.When I say that a normal BRrip avi file is already more than watchable enough,they will say nothing is like mkv.
And it really sickens me when I say 4 inch screen is nice when I watch youtube on it,they will say,TOO BIG,
when I say a new phone just came out with dual core processor,they will say it is UNNECESSARY,
when I say it is good that now we have a lot of choices for smartphone,they will say FRAGMENTATION.....
And the list goes on.
And to the point I see almost all Apple Users are all F**k Up.I start to notice whoever own one of the IDevices,there is a need for them to flash it public and brag about how cool it is when possible....
And as for Apple Inc.,when they sue Samsung for rounded edges,I think they just wanna protect their rights,but lately it doesn't seem so,it is more like they are all against all the android big boys(Samsung,Htc,Motorola).And they have already stop innovating something that is cool enough to the eyes of the most people and try clinging to the only products that is sell-able for as long as they can.And to do that,they need to take everyone else out by keep suing them.
Latest court case they won against HTC is based on auto-parsing,which whenever you get a phone number via short message,the phone will recognize it,you can dial it from the dial pad straight away....and such thing.I think my 8 years Sony Ericsson P990i can already do that(if not older),such claim is bad for all of us consumer,at least from my point of view.
And recently,Apple file up a case against Samsung again for infringement on about 10 FREAKING PHONE CASING...can you believe that?
I think Apple R&D is already dying...no new products to keep up,and yet they need to make money as much as they can.
And for today,I think Apple should just go to hell...the way I see it I'm not going to buy anything from them and not in the near future....
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Haha agreed...
What's funny is how they're suing everyone in sight, yet stealing ideas more than anyone else. (drop down notification blind anyone?)
Not to mention Samsung produces the entire iPhone pretty well, yet apple has the gull to sue them?
They're a slimy company..
Look at their mark up on components as a prime example, especially for macbooks

All the hating

Im talking about the hate between different platforms Os etc just get what you like and thats it! I own galaxy note and an iphone 4s and i think that both phones cover up for each other one's pros and cons. No matter is it about the phone itself or apps or something else! But then again it is just my opinion
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So which Note cons do the iPhone cover? Can't think of any myself.
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Well for instance app availability before android market,maybe not that noticable,but still. And having two different OS's.good enough for me
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I posted this in another thread but its perfectly relevant here as well:
I've noticed an interesting phenomenon occuring on both the Android and Apple side:
1. Someone points out that x feature is missing from one platform, in terms of hardware or software
2. The people on the bandwagon ***** that person out, telling them to switch platforms or just shut up. Often they will say "We don't need X feature, which is why we don't have it." or "Go do this lengthy process to get X feature kinda sorta implemented if you want X feature".
3. Rinse and repeat.
Now this is very general and doesn't always happen but it's something we need to be aware of. As someone studying business and software, it's been beat into my head that there is only one true way to succeed when this situation happens - engineer it into the product and make it BETTER than the competitor.
So, instead of trolling or *****ing people out, I believe the correct procedure is to identify what features and benefits the competitor has and start working on engineering them into our platform in such a way that it is both better than the competitor's and it fits well with our current platform. We can always do better, and taking ideas from a competitor in this way is not in any way stealing - as long as you do not directly copy and change it significantly it's okay (see the paraphrasing versus plagiarizing arguement in education for a good example). And I'm not just talking about Apple here, I'm talking about any competitor.
If we put our energy towards making the platforms and apps better, rather than arguing or otherwise getting getting political/fanboyish, then everyone wins. People on our platform get that new feature, and the other platform has to step up their game so the people on the other platform either get the same feature or some other new feature. This is the basis of constructive competition that drives our economy.
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mainly because whatever the person has then its the best and everything else is rubbish, its the mentality of people
android users rubbish every other os especially ios and vice versa

Liquid Nitrogen, very well said. Agree 100 %.

can't really be ignored that FANBOYISM is rampant in some if not most forums that talk about this and that...

dzhankijs said:
Im talking about the hate between different platforms Os etc just get what you like and thats it! I own galaxy note and an iphone 4s and i think that both phones cover up for each other one's pros and cons. No matter is it about the phone itself or apps or something else! But then again it is just my opinion
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Compared to many forums, this forum is surprisingly civil.
Haters will always be hating though.

dzhankijs said:
Im talking about the hate between different platforms Os etc just get what you like and thats it! I own galaxy note and an iphone 4s and i think that both phones cover up for each other one's pros and cons. No matter is it about the phone itself or apps or something else! But then again it is just my opinion
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Totally agree with u as i use all 3 platforms-Android, iOS n Symbian-and find each one suited for specific purposes.
But one particular platform will appear as the best for one particular user based on user preferences.For me,its Android.But that doesnt conclude that its better than iOS in each n every aspect.
I find it rather silly when people fight ferociously trying to establish that one particular platform is the best...

Exactly I use 3 OSes too. And there are pros and cons. Symbian is good at how each app can be assigned different network, that means email can be given cellular net and data hungry apps can be given wifi. So at a given time, both connection can be active which neither iOS nor Android can do.
One interesting feature of iOS allows syncing of different Exchange Contacts folder which I still couldn't do with Android. iOS is easyphone (vs geekphone) and I always recommend this to my gf, mom, aunt etc.
Android is like - if you can dream a feature then that is already there.

I don't particularly hate the iphone, I owned 2. It's a personal preference thing for me. For me it's the openness and personalization. I do hate apple as a company. They are a bunch of cry babies and if they can't beat someone then they sue them. They have more lawsuits going than anyone right now. Them aholes are even suing Kodak who is freaking bankrupt! They buy patents for the sole purpose of filing a lawsuit.
They are sore losers and would rather sue and buy a patent than come up with their own ideas
From the big ole Note

So I get that all platforms are useful. But WHAT is the deal with the lame press reviews on the NOTE. These kind of fanboy issues grow because of the uneven press given by supposedly people who care about and discuss innovation. Yet they discount the Note and are fine with constantly using a made up marketing term like Retina Display ( I am the Dir of a Cog Sci university program and I know that has nothing to do with the science) even though it means nothing. Samsung truly innovated with the Note, but gets no credit. Google seems to try hard to stick with their "do not evil" mantra (left CHina, backs alt energy, supports open and Mozilla, ...) while Apple now trumps 1980s MS for evilness, yet again they get treated the same there. If everything was more fair, you would see less fanboyism, although there would always be some, it is in our genes.
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So I get that all platforms are useful. But WHAT is the deal with the lame press reviews on the NOTE. These kind of fanboy issues grow because of the uneven press given by supposedly people who care about and discuss innovation. Yet they discount the Note and are fine with constantly using a made up marketing term like Retina Display ( I am the Dir of a Cog Sci university program and I know that has nothing to do with the science) even though it means nothing. Samsung truly innovated with the Note, but gets no credit. Google seems to try hard to stick with their "do not evil" mantra (left CHina, backs alt energy, supports open and Mozilla, ...) while Apple now trumps 1980s MS for evilness, yet again they get treated the same there. If everything was more fair, you would see less fanboyism, although there would always be some, it is in our genes.

Zamboney said:
So which Note cons do the iPhone cover? Can't think of any myself.
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I own both of these as well.
Outlook syncing with iOS makes android look sick, it is sick, because Google want you to give THEM all your personal data, this "open" OS is not as open as some would have you believe, especially when it comes to choosing what to connect to for PIM.
All the 3rd party software for Android syncing [plus Kies and HTC sync] is utter rubbish, including very expensive software like Companionlink/deja.
Android has some pretty substantial high's, especially the Note with it's stylus and large screen, but it sucks balls as much as any other android device I've had for basic PIM without Google
Everything has pro's and con's, even the Note

The real problem with Iphone/Apple products is the cost is more, the features are not any better, both Samsung and Apple are about the same in quality but the App costs are WAY higher on a Apple App store compared to Android store. That and the lack of control (being locked out of something I own) of the phone.
The bottom line I advise ppl I know....... If you want an out of the box phone that you will never change never customize and are willing to buy off the shelf in the box apps....... and that...... will satisfy your every need for the phone........get an I phone......
..... BUT....... if you want to pay less and want to customize and have real control over the item YOU bought.............. get an Android.
I think paying retail plus•90% is unnecessary but then....... like my father used to say........ Never underestimate the power of stupidity!!!....... and those that think paying more for less is ok then stay with Apple......... But I do have to say Apple is fantastic at marketing........ they really Are !!!

My "problem" with iPhone fans is their arguments.
Android is so hard to use, Android is so sluggish, there are more apps in AppStore (but not a single example of ONE app that is missing from Play - i.e not existing on the Android platform) or bragging about the fantastic quality of the iPhone.
Unfortunately, I have not heard any good arguments for the iPhone since 2007. Just those "arguments" that is like a parody.

I agree. I Google app #s the other week and android just passed half a million apps in Google market. Where iphone is barely ahead with just over 600k so the whole app argument is lame and not true!
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SNES vs Genesis, anyone?
There's nothing wrong with most current mobile devices that bigger batteries or a decent bluetooth keyboard case wouldn't fix. The rest is time better spent on tuning our chosen products to whatever esoteric tastes suit us.

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SNES vs Genesis, anyone?
There's nothing wrong with most current mobile devices that bigger batteries or a decent bluetooth keyboard case wouldn't fix. The rest is time better spent on tuning our chosen products to whatever esoteric tastes suit us.
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Dream on! Only Android can be tuned at all.
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i find it kind of funny that everyone will go back and forth about the i phone and the android but the windows phones don't even come up in this i guess wether u like i phone or android u have one thing in commin nobody really wants a windows phone

I have a Note and an iPhone 4S. They are both excellent but different.
Buy an iPhone to have iTunes, iCloud and have everything just sync, iTunes as a central point to manage your media, the 4S has a better camera and audio quality, in a manageable screen size.
Buy a Note to have a different hardware form factor. A screen that makes everything sexy. Lots of customisable options. A unique device and well put together.
The classic take. The Apps and Games. On Apps the field between android and iOS is closer. Sometimes it goes to Apple, other times to Android. Think of Apps with widgets and there own shop store. Games goes to Apple. The Note needs more developers to write better made games for the Note.