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Since I'm not a fan Apple I found this to be funny. Sure, you'll see some of Google's stuff listed but iPhone is first on the list.
http://m.cnn.com/primary/_pl3cVA-i2ZDb5bHzEG
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hmm, I'm having a problem opening that page, just gives me a white screen and no loading bar
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hmm, I'm having a problem opening that page, just gives me a white screen and no loading bar
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just go to cnn.com, the article is super easy to spot...
Apples lawyers probably demanded it be taken down.
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/innovation/12/28/tech.fails.year/index.html?hpt=C1
Here's the article
Yeah but fanboys and girls still love it cuz there is an apple logo on it!
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lol, apple has two of the top ten fails and they're one of the most respected tech companies, if it were top 11 maybe the ipad sans camera would be on there.
The only reason the nexus one is on there is how they marketed it, suppose you can also thank AT&T for later selling it without subsidizing it (589.99 for a phone?). I had forgotten about the whole Kin thing honestly. Also the 3D's tv as a failure.... not surprising, way too expensive for what you're getting.
IMHO the iphone 4 is an awesome device, for many reasons. I personally had an iphone 4 but ATT drove me to the wall and jumped ship. Currently I have an Evo 4g and it is also a great device, both having its strengths and weaknesses. **Flame Suit On**
Can't disagree with this list.
Although between Apple's ability to put a spin on things and their customer base being blind to anything negative when it comes to apple "Antennagate" wasn't as big of a deal as it should have been.
aerajan said:
Since I'm not a fan Apple I found this to be funny. Sure, you'll see some of Google's stuff listed but iPhone is first on the list.
http://m.cnn.com/primary/_pl3cVA-i2ZDb5bHzEG
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We all should dream of one day "failing" as badly as the iPhone 4 did.
What a nonsense post. iPhone is one of the most incredible success stories in modern history. The fact that most of us choose to use an Android device right now doesnt mean we have to go around spewing sour grapes. What Apple has done with iOS is just as amazing as what Google has done with Android. Both OSs can learn from each other and prosper side by side.
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Yeah but fanboys and girls still love it cuz there is an apple logo on it!
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apple fans are like mindless drones. steve jobs basically dictates to them what they can and cannot do with the iphone and apple products. it's pretty much the same with wp7 atm.
Mactagonist said:
We all should dream of one day "failing" as badly as the iPhone 4 did.
What a nonsense post. iPhone is one of the most incredible success stories in modern history. The fact that most of us choose to use an Android device right now doesnt mean we have to go around spewing sour grapes. What Apple has done with iOS is just as amazing as what Google has done with Android. Both OSs can learn from each other and prosper side by side.
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Here's the thing, the article is not thinking as if it was an Apple lover.
It's being non-bias.
What happened with the iPhone 4 is ridiculous.
If any other manufacturer would have slipped up like that they would likely be removed from the world.
But because Apple has the ability to put a spin on things and because Apple owners tend to be...well... they'll buy into whatever Apple says...so drones...it wasn't as big of a disaster as it WOULD HAVE BEEN [and should have been] if it wasn't Apple.
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Here's the thing, the article is not thinking as if it was an Apple lover.
It's being non-bias.
What happened with the iPhone 4 is ridiculous.
If any other manufacturer would have slipped up like that they would likely be removed from the world.
But because Apple has the ability to put a spin on things and because Apple owners tend to be...well... they'll buy into whatever Apple says...so drones...it wasn't as big of a disaster as it WOULD HAVE BEEN [and should have been] if it wasn't Apple.
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So? Because Apple has been successful enough at building their brand that a minor issue which effected way under 1% of users (.55% of iPhone 4 users complained about it, 1.7% of iPhone 4s were returned for any reason) failed to significantly damage their sales what? It isnt fair? Please. Apple hasnt always been the darling of the tech world. They fought, innovated and built their way to where they are now after hitting a low point that could easily have finished them.
"antennagate" was a tempest in teapot built up to drive blog traffic. It just isnt an issue in the real world for the average user, as sales numbers prove.
Google could learn a lot from Apple, they have suffered unfairly in the past because they bungled their handling of PR problems and completely failed to sell users on their new products initiatives. Think Apple would whiff the launch of something like Google TV or Buzz?
Just to say it again, we can be Android fans and choose to use Android devices without being haters. Apple is a great company that does a lot of things very well. The fact that I prefer the phones from another company right now doesnt change that.
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So? Because Apple has been successful enough at building their brand that a minor issue which effected way under 1% of users (.55% of iPhone 4 users complained about it, 1.7% of iPhone 4s were returned for any reason) failed to significantly damage their sales what? It isnt fair? Please. Apple hasnt always been the darling of the tech world. They fought, innovated and built their way to where they are now after hitting a low point that could easily have finished them.
"antennagate" was a tempest in teapot built up to drive blog traffic. It just isnt an issue in the real world for the average user, as sales numbers prove.
Google could learn a lot from Apple, they have suffered unfairly in the past because they bungled their handling of PR problems and completely failed to sell users on their new products initiatives. Think Apple would whiff the launch of something like Google TV or Buzz?
Just to say it again, we can be Android fans and choose to use Android devices without being haters. Apple is a great company that does a lot of things very well. The fact that I prefer the phones from another company right now doesnt change that.
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You're kinda not looking at this whole "antennagate" the right way. If I can remember correctly, it messed with the signal when gripped a certain way in the person's left hand. Now having said that, the stats you posted are true, but let's look at the big picture here...left hand. If that were reversed and it messed up when gripped with the right hand, story would've been different; which is why it all blew up. Not that many complaints came from it as expected because not that many people are left handed, but the fact that the problem could be demonstrated on tons of devices is the bad part, and thats why they are saying it was a failure. Now looking at iPhones as a whole, no, it's not a failure. But that article isn't looking at the past, it's looking at the device Apple is pushing right now. And if they were looking into the past, then the iPhone 4 would really look like a failure since the other iPhone's didn't have that problem. It's easy for some people to overlook that problem because now everyone basically just texts and emails or uses bluetooth for calling..but still, since that problem was there in the first place, that's kinda sad. A phone should be able to make a call without dropping it.
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So? Because Apple has been successful enough at building their brand that a minor issue which effected way under 1% of users (.55% of iPhone 4 users complained about it, 1.7% of iPhone 4s were returned for any reason) failed to significantly damage their sales what? It isnt fair? Please. Apple hasnt always been the darling of the tech world. They fought, innovated and built their way to where they are now after hitting a low point that could easily have finished them.
"antennagate" was a tempest in teapot built up to drive blog traffic. It just isnt an issue in the real world for the average user, as sales numbers prove.
Google could learn a lot from Apple, they have suffered unfairly in the past because they bungled their handling of PR problems and completely failed to sell users on their new products initiatives. Think Apple would whiff the launch of something like Google TV or Buzz?
Just to say it again, we can be Android fans and choose to use Android devices without being haters. Apple is a great company that does a lot of things very well. The fact that I prefer the phones from another company right now doesnt change that.
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Your assumption that because I like Android I hate Apple is silly.
I have hated Apple before I ever owned an Evo/Android phone.
I don't like Apple for these reasons listed here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10148741&postcount=30
I hate Apple.
They block apps because THEY don't agree with whatever the app is.
They blocked google voice for a year and a half because it was google.
They blocked a magazine app because it had more Android articles than IOS.
They blocked a wikileaks app.
They try to sue because people are "jail breaking" their phone that they purchase and so Apple tries to make it so that you simply buy a license for their products....yeah...**** you apple. If I would have own any of their products when I heard that they would have been sold immediately.
Only four examples of a million.
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As you can see NONE of that has ANYTHING to do with Android.
I also take great exception to you suggesting that apple is a "great company"
I have never owned an Apple product and I'm proud to say I never will.
ms79723 post above me covers the rest of your post.
My hatred of Apple has NOTHING to do with my owning an Android. I have an Android becuase I hate Apple. I use to have a Motorola Brick phone too. I don't hate bricks now.
I think they have done some very shady things and that is why I don't like them. They are what MS was to me several years ago.
Start a thread bashing Apple = JOY.
Start a thread criticizing Evo phone flaws = Thread locked.
Hilarious forums these have become.
I think a lot of you guys have become really sensitive and take your phone too personal. Its a friggin phone - get on with your life.
I don't hate Apple, in fact I think their user interface was revolutionary at the time.
My problem is that many people act like the iPhone is the genesis of smartphones. The reality is that Windows Mobile still had more features when the iPhone was first released (cough...multitasking and a huge software base). Unfortunately windows mobile was just plagued with a crappy interface.
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http://www.phonedog.com/2011/02/27/apple-testing-ios-pattern-lock-screens-on-internal-apps/
really?
Meh, Android copies IOS, IOS copies Android. Makes everyone happy in the end.
dcontrol said:
Meh, Android copies IOS, IOS copies Android. Makes everyone happy in the end.
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except apple sues google (or android indirectly) lol
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-HTC-smartphone-allegedly-copying-iPhone.html
one of the case was copying the slide to unlock feature
I love how this is related to the Vibrant 3G.
SamsungVibrant said:
I love how this is related to the Vibrant 3G.
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Smartass android=vibrant
Or you didnt know the vibrant was an android?
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Doesn't bother me.at all. Its nice to see apple trying something different.
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except apple sues google (or android indirectly) lol
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-HTC-smartphone-allegedly-copying-iPhone.html
one of the case was copying the slide to unlock feature
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I LOL'ed on the statement!
Apple sues everyone
There not much I would want from the iPhone4/iOS that I'd want Google to copy/"incorporate" into Android.
The Copy&Paste and text magnification when hovering over comes to mind...
And I do prefer the App Store layout/format over Android Market
But still, nothing beats the freedom of a rooted android
Everyone knows
Apple is the company that is first with everything, even if another company makes it much earlier.
Just be grateful that they made the iPhone and iPad in the first place. If not we'd still be stuck using ****ty blackberries or WinMo phones.
Quick timeline:
Computers suck
Apple copies Xerox gui Makes Macintosh
Microsoft copies apple makes Windows
Hello linux gui
Apple makes newton pda/tablet nobody cares?
Palm makes miniature pda/tablet better hardware/software
RIM works with enterprises and ruins thumbs
Microsoft shrinks Windows, still using stylus
iPhone - capacitive touch/thumbs around the world are happy plus install apps directly from handset
Android - iPhone like/different/needs lots of polish
Palm Pre - awesome
iPad
bazillion other tablets.
Apple might copy a lot of stuff but it seems like they are the ones who get copied first.
But you said yourself they copied Xerox gui.
thegreatcity said:
But you said yourself they copied Xerox gui.
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Yes I know but you know what I'm saying. Who knows what Xerox was doing with their UI. Xerox pc's - doubt it.
Newton reference surprised me. Most people have never heard of it. My parents had 2 of them. Lol.
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Paging Dr B said:
Yes I know but you know what I'm saying. Who knows what Xerox was doing with their UI. Xerox pc's - doubt it.
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Or maybe they were waiting all along to unveil the Xerox God Phone.
Paging Dr B said:
Just be grateful that they made the iPhone and iPad in the first place. If not we'd still be stuck using ****ty blackberries or WinMo phones.
Quick timeline:
Computers suck
Apple copies Xerox gui Makes Macintosh
Microsoft copies apple makes Windows
Hello linux gui
Apple makes newton pda/tablet nobody cares?
Palm makes miniature pda/tablet better hardware/software
RIM works with enterprises and ruins thumbs
Microsoft shrinks Windows, still using stylus
iPhone - capacitive touch/thumbs around the world are happy plus install apps directly from handset
Android - iPhone like/different/needs lots of polish
Palm Pre - awesome
iPad
bazillion other tablets.
Apple might copy a lot of stuff but it seems like they are the ones who get copied first.
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Apple is good at claiming they made it first. The first GUI was by Stanford Univ. Plus the mouse was not an Apple invention either, Tablets were not an Apple invention BUT.......... Apple is very good at marketing and providing the central use applications that most will use and makes those very user friendly.
But as far as innovation, and being first, just not factual.
Besides that imitation is considered flattery in some circles, Apple has to go with the market or die off Just Like Nokia is currently.
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Apple is good at claiming they made it first. The first GUI was by Stanford Univ. Plus the mouse was not an Apple invention either, Tablets were not an Apple invention BUT.......... Apple is very good at marketing and providing the central use applications that most will use and makes those very user friendly.
But as far as innovation, and being first, just not factual.
Besides that imitation is considered flattery in some circles, Apple has to go with the market or die off Just Like Nokia is currently.
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While true, and I HATE apple's marketing gimmicks, I still think that the iPhone and the iPad were innovative. I'm sure most people who used a smartphone prior to the iphone will agree. The same goes for tablets, most of them just suck and are plagued with OS issues. I'm sorry but Windows wasn't meant to be on a tablet.
I wasn't claiming that apple invented the wheel. I'm saying that apple took the wheel, made it easy to use, look nice, perform great, and gave everyone else a formula to follow. And they did.
But back on topic, yes they all steal ideas from each other. They have to.
I just hate Apple because they act like everything they make is like the second coming of Jesus.
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I just hate Apple because they act like everything they make is like the second coming of Jesus.
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I hate the apple fan-boy who believes it. Back when I had my G1 and ATT was airing those commercials that would show apps and say "only on an iphone" I would yell at my tv because my G1 did those things too. Their marketing is brilliant because they target un-tech savvy yuppies. You'd think other tech companies would spend a little dough on marketing.
A guy in my office was trying to tell me that his iPhone4 has an unbreakable gorilla screen (lol @ gorilla screen). "So, OMG I can drop it on the floor and it wont break" as said in a very flamboyant voice. Me being me, I had to burst his bubble. "Uh, it's still just glass, it'll break".
I do love my iPad but there's plenty of room for improvement, and I didn't pay for it so I get a pass.
Apple themselves have had a rocky history, but have had some good products.
The IPOD really did make apple rise from the dead if you think about it. Before that they were doomed for dust, and not a kid on the planet cared to have an apple computer. Now everything is Apple mania, with everyone buying Apple computers also... For what reason you'd use a Mac is beyond me?
Linux or Windows are both so much better than whatever OS apple is using these days.
But honestly HERE IS WHY APPLE GETS COPIED!!! Think about it... First the IPod... the largest MP3 player with that cool circle track thingy it was just so convenient. Then... Why not make it a phone too? So out comes the IPhone. Now the IPad.
I think the idea really behind the IPad and now other tablets like it, are for it to eventually become the next laptop. Todays laptops are big and bulk, and we have to start somewhere. I give it not to long and you will see bigger tablets, with faster processors, able to play games, and probably even run Windows 7.
Apple isn't dumb, but the Android OS makes their Iphone look like ****. All I gotta say is.. Got widgets on your iphone? Nope!
Apple is kind of like the "standard maker"
It sets a standard and then its competitors try to beat it.
Thats how life is, and thats how the world goes round.
In the end, its all good for us consumers. We get tons of options.
Patents on small things like the "slide to unlock" i admit, are stupid, how else can you freaking unlock a phone?
They copy each other, polish it, and make it their own.
Tbh, Windows shouldn't even have gotten into the Phone business, i mean their their popular, most percentage of humans love em' and use their computers.
They should have stayed at building their OS better, and simplified, Windows IS complicated for someone who doesn't know **** about tech.
They need to also make their updates more simplified, my old PC if i try to update it using Windows Updater or something it says i have to update 4000 something files.
I left my computer on for 2 whole days, i usually don't leave it on over-night unless if i'm downloading something important and big... and in that 2 days it updated like ... 20? files..??
I'm on windows right know though
Every company can be sued for their whole freaking company. It's called setting a Precedent.
Should George Washington come back from the dead and sue all the presidents for stealing his "so help me god" line?
Sues them!
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/apple-samsung-executives-try-resolve-patent-dispute/2011-06-20
Apple disgusts me. Copying issues coming from a company that "WILLFULLY" steals the trademarks iPhone, iPad, etc. from other companies??? They have no room to talk about willfully copying.
iOS 5 has android style pull-down notification
Neo3D said:
Sues them!
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/apple-samsung-executives-try-resolve-patent-dispute/2011-06-20
Apple disgusts me. Copying issues coming from a company that "WILLFULLY" steals the trademarks iPhone, iPad, etc. from other companies??? They have no room to talk about willfully copying.
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Yeah, and actually, Apple is copying Android's notification bar for it's iOS 5 and nobody even points that out! Personally, after using both iPhone and Android (Galaxy S), I feel both are completely different and I don't think anyone "copied" the other as they give different experiences overall. One should never go just by appearance!
Unfortunately there is only so many ways you can design a touchsceen phone, and an app screen.
Their entire claim pivots on broad, sweeping claims like their ownership of "a field of square icons with rounded corners" - it's stupid, vexatious, and anti-competative.
Their entire claim about copying the physical shape of the iPad is also based on it being a flat tablet with rounded corners. It's ridiculous.
It's not the phone, this is Standard Operating Procedure for Apple. How many of us remember how the Apple Mac got its start? Apple stole the Graphical User Interface from Xerox. Then a few years later they sued Digital Research Corporation because their Ventura Publisher product for the PC contained a Graphica User Interface. The fun thing about this story is that Digital Research licensed their GUI... from Xerox!
if you cant beat em, sue em.
"products that blatantly imitate the appearance of Apple's products to capitalize on Apple's success."
the truth is that samsung copied the interface alot cos "ppl" the great zombie masses of ppl want something they recognize.
but its true.. samsung really copied ios quite alot on the UI..
but the way handles it is un-capitalistic.. the whole idea behind the world they live in is that there are competition that will copy your stuff as closly they can if its a good solution and if it is not they will make something better or try to.
if apple dont like it they can move to north korea.. they can probebly get excusive rights to be the only phone for sale there
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"products that blatantly imitate the appearance of Apple's products to capitalize on Apple's success."
the truth is that samsung copied the interface alot cos "ppl" the great zombie masses of ppl want something they recognize.
but its true.. samsung really copied ios quite alot on the UI..
but the way handles it is un-capitalistic.. the whole idea behind the world they live in is that there are competition that will copy your stuff as closly they can if its a good solution and if it is not they will make something better or try to.
if apple dont like it they can move to north korea.. they can probebly get excusive rights to be the only phone for sale there
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Absolutely agree. The iPhone is derived from HTC Touchphones that appeared on the market 1 year earlier (also with the color white and rounded edges). The iPad is derived on Archos Pads that arrived on the market several years earlier!
As you say, this is what good companies in a capatilistic societies do: improve on competitor products or on their own products.
There was no need for samsung to shake their a*ss 3 times to sh*t straight.
Neo3D said:
Sues them!
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/apple-samsung-executives-try-resolve-patent-dispute/2011-06-20
Apple disgusts me. Copying issues coming from a company that "WILLFULLY" steals the trademarks iPhone, iPad, etc. from other companies??? They have no room to talk about willfully copying.
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Samsung did copy there ui.. there model... lol.. Nothing was creative in their design.. why is so hard for you guys to admit it?
Its a strategy they applied which was successful and earned them millions and now they have released another one which in looks is still almost the same... and u want apple to sit tight and let samsung capitalize on their success?
Apple still has intentions to be one of the most successful phone brand and android has taken a bug chunk of their customers. It was quite understandable move from apple to sue samsung right near launch of sg2... i hope u guys get the point... if still not.... then god bless ya
You guys must be blind if u r still ignoring the facts.
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jags_the1 said:
Samsung did copy there ui.. there model... lol.. Nothing was creative in their design.. why is so hard for you guys to admit it?
Its a strategy they applied which was successful and earned them millions and now they have released another one which in looks is still almost the same... and u want apple to sit tight and let samsung capitalize on their success?
Apple still has intentions to be one of the most successful phone brand and android has taken a bug chunk of their customers. It was quite understandable move from apple to sue samsung right near launch of sg2... i hope u guys get the point... if still not.... then god bless ya
You guys must be blind if u r still ignoring the facts.
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When this nonsense first appeared, it was revealed that samsung had developed a ui very similar to the iphone and unveiled it almost a year before the first iphone was released. It was crude compared to what we see now on iphone and Touchwiz but it's pretty clear that samsung had it first and has made it best.
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Let the lolling begin:
http://phandroid.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Samsungvs.Apple_-550x391.jpg
jags_the1 said:
Samsung did copy there ui.. there model... lol.. Nothing was creative in their design.. why is so hard for you guys to admit it?
Its a strategy they applied which was successful and earned them millions and now they have released another one which in looks is still almost the same... and u want apple to sit tight and let samsung capitalize on their success?
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Let's make a poll and see how many of the Samsung owners bought the phone cause they thought it looked so much like an Iphone. If you want an Iphone you buy an Iphone, if you want a Samsung you buy a Samsung. Appled didn't invent the round shaped corner phones, nor did they invented the wheel or hot water like they might claim in the near future.
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Appled didn't invent the round shaped corner phones, nor did they invented the wheel or hot water like they might claim in the near future.
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I'm writing on behalf of Apple to insist that you cease and desist from making ludicrous claims about Apple's rights to make ludicrous claims about stuff they stole...erm...invented.
This is in itself in breach of retrospectively granted patent no 63578929, 'Patent to claim to have invented stuff (and we ain't even lying) 1895'.
The above patent is valid under Apple's patented patent system, patented by Apple Patents Inc in 4258BC.
If they stuck to saying 'well we didn't invent it but we implemented it really well, albeit in a somewhat restrictive manner', you'd have more sympathy, but this persistent reinvention of facts is just tedious.
Why would anyone buy a phone because it looks like the iphone and how many actually use touchwiz anyway, i got this phone as it is the best phone on the market and the best screen simple as.
It's funny, on a simple google search you can find tons of chinese/korean iphone and ipad replicas that look exactly the same, but Apple can't be bothered about them. Of course, you can ignore obscure producers whose phones are manufactured in the forests by panda bears cause if you sue them and you win you get 1 cart of bamboo leaves as compensation. Why not sue a top selling company with the hope that you will get a lot of money and at the same time causing them distress and huge losses. It's all about the competition and Apple relies on less conventional ways of trying to catch up / stay on top.
See what Steve **** says here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
More of the same nonsense from Apple. They sued HTC a while back, see any shortages of HTC phones?
I wouldn't buy anything apple, I detest them as a company and don't see why all the iSheep like them so much. They are nowt special and ridiculously over-priced. I loved my Galaxy S but my Galaxy S2 is just SO much better. I'll probably get the Galaxy S3 after this.
i think iphone should not change..apple aims to sell to brainless people and it is an affordable target.
In my opinion the right question is: what android should do to sell to brainless people?
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Of course, you can ignore obscure producers whose phones are manufactured in the forests by panda bears cause if you sue them and you win you get 1 cart of bamboo leaves as compensation.
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LOL.. that had me laughing for a good 5 minutes...
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Apple have just been granted a general patent for the use of touchscreens and multitouch! This is really really sick, how did they manage to steal that idea and make it their own?
http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...7,966,578.PN.&OS=PN/7,966,578&RS=PN/7,966,578
Well, things are not looking very good for Samsung right at the moment. A judge in Germany has declared that until this whole IP lawsuit by Apple is settled, Samsung cannot sell their new Galaxy Tab 10.1 anywhere in the EU except for the Netherlands. A similar ruling in Australia previously blocked sales down under as well.
Many pundits are saying they expect this to be the first falling rocks of a judicial landslide in Apple's favor that will savage Samsung's reputation as a rising player in the mobile space and force them to either withdraw most of the Galaxy line of products from sale or pay a massive sum to Apple...or possibly both.
This decision and the mindset behind it pisses me off. Remember that a lie unchallenged becomes the truth, and may then be used to support further lies. The lies that have become truth amongst the digital intelligentsia due to being unchallenged (or at least by having the challenges shouted down too often) are that "Apple invented the GUI" (not true, that was Xerox), that "Apple invented the Smartphone" (not true, that was probably Palm with the Treo or Nokia) and that "Apple invented using Apps" (not true, I had some great Apps on my PocketPC and my Treo both, only they were still called Programs). You can read those same fables almost every day, with the word "invented" being used in place of the more honest terms "popularized" or "helped develop", on almost all tech blogs and newspapers on the net.
Those fables are now being used to support the far broader fable that "Apple invented mobile computing" which to a degree was upheld by this German judge when he supported Apple's claim that any flat rectangle with a large touch screen is essential stolen from Cupertino. This sort of thinking, for all kinds of reasons, is just plain wrong.
So at first I fumed...but then I thought it all through again, and saw that the worst case scenario may not be so bad after all, and that to a degree Samsung brought it on themselves. Are Galaxy products similar to Apple iOS devices? Sure, especially the TouchWiz GUI. Faced with a market that clearly loved the way the iPhone looked and operated, Samsung opted to give them a slightly tweaked version of what they loved rather then try to convince them to try something new. It is tough to blame them...look at Microsoft. All critics agreed that Windows Phone 7 was fresh and innovative and a good start that would improve rapidly...and consumers STILL stayed away in droves. MS is staying the course and betting that eventually WP7 will catch on, but that takes a company willing to burn an enormous amount of money and patience...which most companies just can't do the way that Redmond can.
Therefore Samsung pandered to the public's current tastes and may now pay the price for that....but we as users may see something good come out of this.
Am I the only one that is bored to tears by the iOS interface? Can't we move beyond the minimalist Apple design concept that seems to inspire almost every phone and tablet available today? Perhaps if the courts side with Apple in this lawsuit, it will force Samsung and other tech companies to innovate again, to take risks on new form factors and different ways to present content and features, to go beyond the big rectangle with the large touchscreen and the app icons. If products are not allowed to look like an iPhone anymore, what WILL new products look like? I have no idea...and I like that.
People have spent a lot of time looking for an iPhone/iPad killer...but for a product to truly compete with those heavyweights it has to first of all be DIFFERENT from them. Experience has shown that if you try to beat Steve Jobs at his own game, you will lose and just be another snide jab in his next keynote. For a product to succeed it first has to stand out in both form and function. Win or lose, hopefully this lawsuit will make that clear to Samsung....or somebody.
EDIT: Here is an interesting note...Samsung is not alone in being a target for Apple's ire. They are also suing Motorola in Europe over the design of the Xoom. COuld a similar injunction be seen soon that will end Xoom sales in Europe? Read the details at http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/apple-is-also-suing-motorola-in-europe.html
I will hope apple lose in their anti competitive behavior. If apple win this battle, there will be more ridiculous court case eg, Toshiba will sue apple for the 'look and feel' like a computer, IBM will sue cos having the word 'OS' , Ford will sue every car with four wheels, MS will sue any system for having a boot up screen... I want my galaxy tab 8.9 now!!!!
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don't wanna be a smartshitter but Ford didn't invent the car my friend^^
That was Mr Daimler from Germany who build the "first" car and Mr Benz who build the first "modern" car years before Ford...and who knows what these nasty germans will do^^
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don't wanna be a smartshitter but Ford didn't invent the car my friend^^
That was Mr Benz from Germany...and who knows what these nasty germans will do^^
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True, but Ford spent a lot of time and newsprint saying that Ford invented the "mass produced" car, eventually dropping the mass produced part. Now if you ask people what the first car was, a sizable majority (especially in the US) will say the Model T Ford. Just like most people now would say that Apple invented the Tablet.
rschenck did you have a look at the actual community design in question? for me it looks like if this lawsuite is a win for apple, nobody else will be allowed to actually built tablets anymore... so i guess this will just hold back the tab 10.1 for a while on european market, but not stop samsung at all...
edit: and this has solely to do with the case design, nothing about the interface there...
rschenck, an excellent post about a very important subject. I agree that this could be a reason for Samsung and others to boost innovation and creativity.
In general, it seems just madness to me that a company like Apple is able to prevent others using similar form factor. I suppose the German judge is not to blame, he's just doing his job (well I didn't really check if he had a choice. I guess it's the ones that make the legislation who would need to be educated.
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Btw how likely is it that a person buying a phone accidentally gets a Samsung because he/she thinks it's an iPhone? Come on, tell me people aren't that stupid. Oh well, I guess there must be fair amount of those who can't read, shopping for smartphones. But still, there's the picture of an apple...
I wonder if Apple has thought of suing apple farmers for growing products that resemble their logo. Just think about it: the poor customer thinks he's getting an iPhone and when he gets home he finds out he bought a fruit.
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rschenck did you have a look at the actual community design in question? for me it looks like if this lawsuite is a win for apple, nobody else will be allowed to actually built tablets anymore... so i guess this will just hold back the tab 10.1 for a while on european market, but not stop samsung at all...
edit: and this has solely to do with the case design, nothing about the interface there...
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I am not sure of your point in the first paragraph, but based on what I think you are saying I agree that if Apple wins all it is asking for, that other companies will need to look to radical new designs and Google may need to relax their hardware restrictions to a great degree to allow companies to compete.
The German decision just hinges on the form factor of the Galaxy Tab 10.1, but the GUI and TouchWiz interface play a big part in the overall legal argument.
Here is a good breakdown of the lawsuit and what Apple is claiming...http://thisismynext.com/2011/04/19/apple-sues-samsung-analysis/
Still a bit silly on apple, they think they own the form factor of a tablet. Just like Sony decided they own the invention of the TV screen. The 10.1 is nothing like the ipad, for a start it's 16:4 ratio whether other is 4:3, how on earth one can be mistaken a square for a rectangle. I hope the Beatles start suing apple for the name
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I hope the Beatles start suing apple for the name
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Been there done that....Jobs won.
Ok, I hope LG will sued apple for using 'touch' as an interface.
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See my edit above...Motorola joins the fray as well.
Last year I wanted to buy a new smartphone, and as an Apple fanboy I only thought about buying an iPhone. Unfortunately in my country when the iPhone 4 was launched it costed around €650 which was too expensive for my wallet. Then I met the Galaxy S, which was basically kind of an iPhone rip-off but was €250 cheaper. I bought the Galaxy S and today it's still my phone.
So yes, in the end, if the i9000 didn't exist I guess I would have probably ended up buying the iPhone, and Apple could easily argue that they lost at least one customer because the TouchWiz UI and overall design looks pretty much like the iPhone.
I know there's more people in the world like me, I know how many times non tech savvy people asked me if I had bought an iPhone when they saw my Samsung phone for the first time... so in the end we must admit that Apple has a point
The iPhone has a very strong product image among the consumer and Samsung capitalized on that!
Look at it like this, apple sucks! The mac is a pc! Windows stomped apple for years and still does. Jobs never could get it right. Microsoft wins because they have one, not many ideas. The pc was made to be universal, the outside can be anything you or I want it to be. Ios and android are nothing alike. All apple is concerns about is the fact people are tired of being told what they can do with the crapple they bought! That's why I switched. When jobs dies, see what happens! Apple will rape the ios trying to get back to the top! Can I use words instead of icons to open an app or display the weather, not on crapple! Can a maxi pad hook to a server to fix an issue, nope! It's an over sized ipod! Now samsung screwed themselves with the 10.1! Look at it, one cable that looks just like apples, one port, the damn cheap plastic, it wreaks of copy cat! Apple couldn't patent the use of "market" cause then the flea market and grocery market would eat their lunch! Apple is losing the war and they know it! All they are doing is slowing their eventual death! I say we invent a toy and call it the iplug! Of course as soon as apple hears it, they will sue. An apple with the letter I on top! Only problem apple is unaware that it's an adult toy! How pathetic would they look?
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@rschenk
Nice to take a break from flashing and bricking and then puffing and panting.........
Firstly,their TAB went on sale in India and Australia today I believe.
I reckon the biggest market for Samsung is all-Asia inclusive of big brother China where Apple will not be able to stop anything!In fact,Chinese stores started selling 'Hi-phone 5' today,for virtually a song.
Yes,where these firms make a mistake is the 'Me-too' attitude like you mentioned in the case of the GUI viz TOUCHWIZ in the case of Samsung and of course the form factor.
All said and done,it's 'dog eat dog' out there with android itself being under very severe attack from Apple/Microsoft.The biggest gainer eventually would be the customers with some real differentiating possibilities beyond the mere price of these expensive gadgets!
ps---really enjoyed your post!
i want to sue steve jobs because he looks like someone i know
Great thread ! i totally agree with you on this, I do like the Samsung android devices, BUT they do look a lot like the iphone, just like the MIUI rom (which im using lol)
It would be great if Samsung made massive changes to their devices, and something 10 x better than iOS which to be honest.... is nice..
Who knows whats going to happen, maybe its just bullying on a mass scale, Maybe its for the best... But no matter what happens, I will never own an iphone, I will go back to a nokia 6210 if i have too.
I dont rape iphone users, I havent got the balls (pun intended!) But for me, i hate apple, i hate the restrictions, the forcing of using itunes only. and all the other **** they make you do.
I want a phone that i can suit to my needs, and do what i want to it. And thats why i am an android user. Its not Samsung that i like.... its android, so as long as android continues... i couldnt give a **** !!
To be honest,
I love the quality of Samsung products, and this made me kinda fan-boy of them. Because their quality is superb. If there was a better company I would switch but there is not. (Depending on the device of course, canon makes better reflex camera, no doubt, just as example).
You can look at this as a step to the future because companies now might improve their product designs, but we are talking about tablets. What do you think tablets look like? I don't see tablets in a pyramid case... honestly, for me it is just a huge "what the f*ck".
Thumbs down for Apple and the Judge who is a complete retard.
Regards
There's why our xoom has the funny crap way of being used. Microsoft did it! Let's all mass email Microsoft and tell 'em we are switching to Mac and ios! See what happens to apple. I am sick of buying devices and being told I can't do what I want with it! Next they will stop selling printing paper cuz it's white and rectangled! Then there's the saying the alphabet....abcdefghjklmnopqrstuvxyz! Apple didn't invent crap! They stole most of everything they make! I say we start a petition to stop apple's lawsuits. Or we can file a class action against apple for being idiots! And another thing! Why do Mac's work with windows? Oh yeah apple's CPU sucked!!!!!
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Well, it's a company's job to make money to its shareholders. Can we really blame Apple alone for using methods like this? After all it seems that (legally) Apple has a case here so it's worth trying. Imo the question is should there be patent and IP laws that allow patenting a rectangular shape
Intelligent thinking. Very well written too. You deserve a pat on shoulder.
ok guys lol dont really want this to become a rant but its pushing itself that way. anyone notice when u try to have a valid debate about features or capabilities with a apple fan boy it always goes like this,
appleboy: yeah but the ipads got things android cant do like .....video editing,
androidboy: the androids actually got that from stock plus a whole load of imaging apps that came with the tab, I dont have to buy extra software.
appleboy: yeah but ours is better! pinch to zoom!!112!! haha
(android waits patiently)
androidboy: thats your arguement? but in fact the android system will run the......appleboy blurts in: NO NO NO IOS IOS IOS NO NO I HAVE EMAIL TOO..funz >)
anyone ever notice how androids will have a calm actual debate, apple's just blurt insane immature crap that shows most of them dont know feck all about using a computer?
tried telling them about open-source......between the two of them they somehow worked out that the IPAD was the more advanced device then the a500., from these "reasons"
in the youtube app you can move your finger to change volume......really?!
apparently some ipad users think the fact its harder to fully unlock a ipad for development, so that must mean its a more advanced device.....?
you can use a usb cable to add accessories....
tried showing em i have a usb port no need to carry a cable, and i can use most windows accessories keyboard,mice,external hard-drive,etc etc but nope apparently adding 1 usb keyboard....is somehow better then adding a keyboard as well as mouse, exterhd,dvd-drive. etc etc....????
i tried telling them about the specs side by side, and how my android mobile "phone" not even my best device (the tab is)
1.has more processing power then the ipad,.
2.better camera front and back
3.other features are basically matching (gps bluetooth wifi,....etc)
4. more configurable
5. same ram
but mine was half the price of your tab and phone..
they just dont get it, im saying to him look mate if you went to pc world and had
1 computer that was complete rubbish low speed, low ram,. windows 95
costs £20000^^
1 computer that has 3ghz high speed quad-core , 4gb ram, windows 7, dvd drive, usb ports, bigger screen, fully outwards compatible "usb play n go keyboard mice, bluetooth, gps etc"
costs £750^^
what would you buy? lol its not a hard one is it, im trying to show, look ios could have been THE best pads and phones,,,,if apple didnt own them and you got the full bang in your buck, i mean if they had ipad with the spec's of an android with the price tag of an android and open source,. android probably would even have gotten as far as it has today but that's good old apple business techniques for ya eh?
to be honest what im trying to say is you can tell a hundred things that are very worth having to a apple fanboy and they will say the ipads better because,
A. YA ITZ GoT LiKe slide volume oN yuTUbe....SO dARRR iPaDZ bEtteR !
b. tHErs Must HAve APPPPP for ThAt And iTSR bETTer Dan URS even THou I neSER SEEN, heard, Or UUsed SuCH app. IOS IS KEWlz
can anyone actually tell me an advantage the ios has? like what things can it actually do we cant?
in fear of this becoming a hate thread im basically asking for the things that the ios does that android cannot.
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in fear of this becoming a hate thread im basically asking for the things that the ios does that android cannot.
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*crickets* *crickets*
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yeah i think this is the confirmation i was after, this post had nearly 120 views in the first half hour. no can tell me something an apple can do that android cant,.
in the words of my main bitc* hatty-may pierce......baby the truth shall set you free.
Get more game developer support due to its much lower rate of app piracy.
Consistency in its UI across all its devices.
Consistency in its hardware making development somewhat easier in that the developers know exactly which devices will be supported and how well it will run -- see: the post in general of a guy complaining developers have seemingly abandoned tegra 2.
Not risking an app in the appstore spamming your notifications or doing other insanely annoying things.
A jailbreak and theming community that, while does allow piracy, also supports independent developers, fiscally, through official cydia repos.
Get the stupid "with friends" games long before Android does. How am I supposed to play matching with friends with my android friends!?!?
Have upteen thousand third party home appliances that support (the soon old) iOS docking port. My SONY surround sound system came with an iPhone dock, as did my Murano.
OS updates that rarely cause fragmentation. I don't know of any apps that will only run on IOS 5 and not 4, and after a upgrade, it's extremely rare to find an app that won't work on the new iOS natively. I've only ever run into it once, and that was with a very niche sound based game.
There. I've played devil's advocate for you. And done so from my CM10 Android tablet. And, of course, none of those were intended to spark an argument. I'm just articulating things that are more intelligent, I hope, rebuttals to your topic. Granted, there are many loaded adjectives in my statements, and things like "rarely" and "upteen thousand" are highly subjective.
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Get more game developer support due to its much lower rate of app piracy.
Consistency in its UI across all its devices.
Consistency in its hardware making development somewhat easier in that the developers know exactly which devices will be supported and how well it will run -- see: the post in general of a guy complaining developers have seemingly abandoned tegra 2.
Not risking an app in the appstore spamming your notifications or doing other insanely annoying things.
A jailbreak and theming community that, while does allow piracy, also supports independent developers, fiscally, through official cydia repos.
Get the stupid "with friends" games long before Android does. How am I supposed to play matching with friends with my android friends!?!?
Have upteen thousand third party home appliances that support (the soon old) iOS docking port. My SONY surround sound system came with an iPhone dock, as did my Murano.
OS updates that rarely cause fragmentation. I don't know of any apps that will only run on IOS 5 and not 4, and after a upgrade, it's extremely rare to find an app that won't work on the new iOS natively. I've only ever run into it once, and that was with a very niche sound based game.
There. I've played devil's advocate for you. And done so from my CM10 Android tablet. And, of course, none of those were intended to spark an argument. I'm just articulating things that are more intelligent, I hope, rebuttals to your topic. Granted, there are many loaded adjectives in my statements, and things like "rarely" and "upteen thousand" are highly subjective.
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nah thats all fair and well but open to debate it must be
i have no idea what "with friends" games are?
be honest though how many of those above really are good points?
updates that dont really improve your system, hardware that's cost is doubled.? and ol' fact of no singularity?
i-tunes? can you add a single track now? are do you still need to re-upload a whole playlist? i still cannot get me head around the fact you cant just download an mp3 and set it as a ringtone on the i-phone,.lol
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nah thats all fair and well but open to debate it must be
i have no idea what "with friends" games are?
be honest though how many of those above really are good points?
updates that dont really improve your system, hardware that's cost is doubled.? and ol' fact of no singularity?
i-tunes? can you ass a single track ? are do you still need to re-upload a whole playlist? i still cannot get me head around the fact you can't just download an mp3 and set it as a ringtone on the i-phone,.lol
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i guess when it comes down t it there's pros and cons for both i mean for apple every device under 4.3.5 ios allows an exploit known as ssl MITM attack...plus the QuickTime pop ups that happen when an app wants to use gps and will crash the app most the time if you hit no are kind of annoying (not sure if that one is still there) But even the rooting/jail breaking part of it when an android user gains root he can flash new roms kernels gain su in terminal etc not really having to worry about malware apple on the other hand has a higher rate of malware on jailbrocken ipods.. last thing I'm going to say about apple is that there jail breaking methods exploit security holes that may also bee exploited for darker reasons, there was an example in the iphone pdf parser which allowed a document to execute code....
For android there are way higher rates of piracy unfortuently there's alot of cheapy tablets with almost no support the different kinds an sizes create huge compatabillity issues the OTA updates aren't always reliable or even where you live.....i guess that's all i have they both have pros and cons I'm just an android fanboy and can't stand apple products :laugh:
cheers i hope this doesn't cause arguments just wanted to add some more info and try not to play favorites while debating
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i guess when it comes down t it there's pros and cons for both i mean for apple every device under 4.3.5 ios allows an exploit known as ssl MITM attack...plus the QuickTime pop ups that happen when an app wants to use gps and will crash the app most the time if you hit no are kind of annoying (not sure if that one is still there) But even the rooting/jail breaking part of it when an android user gains root he can flash new roms kernels gain su in terminal etc not really having to worry about malware apple on the other hand has a higher rate of malware on jailbrocken ipods.. last thing I'm going to say about apple is that there jail breaking methods exploit security holes that may also bee exploited for darker reasons, there was an example in the iphone pdf parser which allowed a document to execute code....
For android there are way higher rates of piracy unfortuently there's alot of cheapy tablets with almost no support the different kinds an sizes create huge compatabillity issues the OTA updates aren't always reliable or even where you live.....i guess that's all i have they both have pros and cons I'm just an android fanboy and can't stand apple products :laugh:
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in no way causing arguments matey, im trying to approach the question without prejudiced, i am at heart an android, ive had an apple i had one of the gen1 i-phones, and the thing never stopped frezzing and rebooting, never had a signal, etc.
i know android can run terribly if not implemented properly by the developer, force closes wifi problems gps problems, but this is the USUAL cost when using a customization based open source system, when applied to that much diversity you would have to be stupid to think you wont run into errors. <--not directed at anyone, just generally.
example i have to calculators
one adds 2 numbers thats it,
the second has wifi, a 3ghz proc' 1 gb ram, hd video playback a camera and bluetooth and a projector on the back the maker also says you can make any application you want for YOUR device, its open for you to change what you want for how you like........im expecting some errors here n there. lol
the thing is if thats the view of point you arrive from decides if everyone having the same devices is either a good thing or a bad thing.......or should we say BAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAD thing lol
lets continue,
edit: wow this thread got 150 views over night? please guys participate but this is not a thread for ranting more of actually facing facts from both sides and submitting your input to what makes which os more functional / better performing etc etc and what features are more for you.
I think you are generalizing when it comes to this. I've met the worst fan boys when it comes to both android and apple. I actually recall this dude I knew jumping for joy when he found out Steve Jobs died...
Anyway I've used both, I used an iphone4 for about a year before switching back to android.
I feel that ios was way smoother (although now I'm using a galaxy s3, I can say android is on par with it) I miss the variety of apps that ios had to offer and android fan boys try to shoot back by saying android has more free apps but honestly, I'm willing to pay for apps if they're of quality.
I felt the music player was a tad bit better.. I've downloaded a game and for some reason all the audio files showed up on my music player on my DROID Pro(maybe it was something I did wrong?)
I actually felt like I got the most out of my iphone once I jail broke it. It was the little tweaks that I was able to do that really made the experience with ios a whole lot better. The sad thing about this though is that I had to jail break it just to have some features that were standard on Android.
But at the end of the day, like I said, it's the apps.. I use my phone for calls, text, music, and Internet. Basic features all smartphones include.. It's the apps, the games, utilities, the variety that ios offers in apps that I miss.
One more thing, I never understood why people hate apple products. They make solid products.. I guess people just need to pick a side.. You got Ford vs Chevy, imports vs domestics, windows vs mac os, android vs apple, ipod vs zune(lol) etc etc
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yeah i think this is the confirmation i was after, this post had nearly 120 views in the first half hour. no can tell me something an apple can do that android cant,.
in the words of my main bitc* hatty-may pierce......baby the truth shall set you free.
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An Apple device, can make your wallet thinner :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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An Apple device, can make your wallet thinner :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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haha yes i forget about this one XD tho cost is to high for what there asking for
Did any of you guys read this interview with Steve Wozniak?
Sorry, I can't post the link to the full interview (long time lurker, first time poster). Just google for 'Woz on Android'.
Basically he loves the iPhone for the design and loves Android for what it can do!
Below is an excerpt of that interview. For me that says it all!
But Woz says he still recommends the iPhone as the best choice for most users. “The people I recommend the iPhone 4S for are the ones who are already in the Mac world, because it’s so compatible, and people who are just scared of computers altogether and don’t want to use them. The iPhone is the least frightening thing. For that kind of person who is scared of complexity, well, here’s a phone that is simple to use and does what you need it to do,” he says.
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I think you are generalizing when it comes to this. I've met the worst fan boys when it comes to both android and apple. I actually recall this dude I knew jumping for joy when he found out Steve Jobs died...
Anyway I've used both, I used an iphone4 for about a year before switching back to android.
I feel that ios was way smoother (although now I'm using a galaxy s3, I can say android is on par with it) I miss the variety of apps that ios had to offer and android fan boys try to shoot back by saying android has more free apps but honestly, I'm willing to pay for apps if they're of quality.
I felt the music player was a tad bit better.. I've downloaded a game and for some reason all the audio files showed up on my music player on my DROID Pro(maybe it was something I did wrong?)
I actually felt like I got the most out of my iphone once I jail broke it. It was the little tweaks that I was able to do that really made the experience with ios a whole lot better. The sad thing about this though is that I had to jail break it just to have some features that were standard on Android.
But at the end of the day, like I said, it's the apps.. I use my phone for calls, text, music, and Internet. Basic features all smartphones include.. It's the apps, the games, utilities, the variety that ios offers in apps that I miss.
One more thing, I never understood why people hate apple products. They make solid products.. I guess people just need to pick a side.. You got Ford vs Chevy, imports vs domestics, windows vs mac os, android vs apple, ipod vs zune(lol) etc etc
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those point are valid, i dont mind paying for an app as long as it works. but ive noticed a large amount of apps for ios that dont actually do as described. like telling you one thing and you get something else.
about apple and solid product, no, this is the thing most people will confuse about me personally ,.....the ipad and phone COULD have been the greatest device ever,,,,,if:
A.you actually got a product on par with the price your paying
B. You bought it, you own it, you do what u want with it. not apples way
C. You wasnt forced to use the brands own very poor software to upload even a simple ringtone, i seriously dont get that....,,, oh wait i do you have to pay....not just for music but pay apple to get that music,. since when was apple my personal certified music agent?....self injected by apple very sneaky
D. apple products have had many of they're fair share of design flaws, these have just been swept under the carpet though. what about the massive i-4..."yeah the 4rth version" design flaw when you had to stick a rubber bumper on the side to get reception, and yeah you had to buy that rubber bumper ,,,, even though its apple fault.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop-to-0-when-held-left-handed/
NOW im not saying thats not a story for the android phones too but heres a small snippet about the htc one wifi problem and how htc went about fixing it for theyre valuable customers:
In addition, HTC is also urging affected users to their call customer support to see if their phone is one of the affected models. If HTC confirms that a user has a phone with the identified hardware flaw, they will issue a replacement device. <---- see the big differences?
other brands : buy a bad product from us we will fix or replace it at no cost you bought the device it should work....srry about that
apple: you bought it from us , its doesnt work.......so pay more money just get what you should already and have payed for,.
these are the things people hate about apple,
apple reminds me of that AOL Representative that wouldnt let that guy cancel his account.,... "well sir I THINK you need your account so im not goin to cancel it..........against your will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_knvtpENoQ
the one thing that I've come across are all of the software companies in the music industry absolutely LOVE the ipad (as does every musician, producer, etc. LOVE and ADORE their iphone). When i show up to gigs, rehearsals, etc... i get tons of glances and weird faces at my android. most people have no idea that it's faster and more capable.. yada yada yada. (phone is a GNex running jb)
But, whether it be large VST firms like Spectrasonics, Native Instruments, Arturia, etc. etc, or even hints from the bigger guys like ableton, protools (avid), and logic, all have ipad apps to make the ipad "the next instrument". you see all the time on youtube videos of 'ipad bands' and all that crap. it's really stupid! lol.
There are things like actual synths on ios (arturia) to realtime hardware synth integration to add extras (like oscilators, filters, etc) to even Moog synths! (which is totally awesome!). There are software synth helpers and controllers too, whether they be third party or directly from the manufacturer (like Spectrasonic's Orb).
This is very frustrating though, with android there's almost nothing out there. the best i have so far is a few midi controller apps (like touch osc, that originated on ios) and jordan rudess' MorphWizz (which he apparently uses live, but it feels like a toy).
I'm annoyed that 1. the music world is going to this, making everything feel chincy and kinda cheep (adding to the 'there's an app for that!' ;-s), but 2. that there's NOTHING for Android!
If I'm wrong, and there's stuff out there... PLEASE let me know. I'm using touch osc live on my a500 to control ableton, but i would love more apps for it!
oh yeah, one more thing. i also have a macbook pro (17 inch mother of a screen). i purchased it because of this problem. yes there are many production and synth programs on windows... but, NO, they hardly ever work well and i found that stability was 50/50 live. Had to go apple. To be honest, was hesitant, but i've enjoyed it. And apple fan boys, it's not perfect, it's not God, and it does crash.... albeit not as much as my Dell lol.
great community for the good 'ol a500!
LMFAO talk about ios and theyre GREAT APPS?
how about this a $1000 app that does nothing but shows a picture of a gem and a sentance
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I-APPS MY ASS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os2axzJHbzA&feature=related
kylereid said:
the one thing that I've come across are all of the software companies in the music industry absolutely LOVE the ipad (as does every musician, producer, etc. LOVE and ADORE their iphone). When i show up to gigs, rehearsals, etc... i get tons of glances and weird faces at my android. most people have no idea that it's faster and more capable.. yada yada yada. (phone is a GNex running jb)
But, whether it be large VST firms like Spectrasonics, Native Instruments, Arturia, etc. etc, or even hints from the bigger guys like ableton, protools (avid), and logic, all have ipad apps to make the ipad "the next instrument". you see all the time on youtube videos of 'ipad bands' and all that crap. it's really stupid! lol.
There are things like actual synths on ios (arturia) to realtime hardware synth integration to add extras (like oscilators, filters, etc) to even Moog synths! (which is totally awesome!). There are software synth helpers and controllers too, whether they be third party or directly from the manufacturer (like Spectrasonic's Orb).
This is very frustrating though, with android there's almost nothing out there. the best i have so far is a few midi controller apps (like touch osc, that originated on ios) and jordan rudess' MorphWizz (which he apparently uses live, but it feels like a toy).
I'm annoyed that 1. the music world is going to this, making everything feel chincy and kinda cheep (adding to the 'there's an app for that!' ;-s), but 2. that there's NOTHING for Android!
If I'm wrong, and there's stuff out there... PLEASE let me know. I'm using touch osc live on my a500 to control ableton, but i would love more apps for it!
oh yeah, one more thing. i also have a macbook pro (17 inch mother of a screen). i purchased it because of this problem. yes there are many production and synth programs on windows... but, NO, they hardly ever work well and i found that stability was 50/50 live. Had to go apple. To be honest, was hesitant, but i've enjoyed it. And apple fan boys, it's not perfect, it's not God, and it does crash.... albeit not as much as my Dell lol.
great community for the good 'ol a500!
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thats great info i myself as a "not even semi-pro" music dj'er i have used abletone, native, etc an yeah i did find that more was supported by ios,
But is that the O/S's fault or the developers?
chismay said:
LMFAO talk about ios and theyre GREAT APPS?
how about this a $1000 app that does nothing but shows a picture of a gem and a sentance
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I-APPS MY ASS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os2axzJHbzA&feature=related
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Really? Your gonna bring up an app that was released four years ago and that was pulled Immediately by Apple? Your a funny guy. You know it's bad when it's recommend to install some kind of anti virus software for your phone. I don't want to start arguing but the proof is in the pudding, ios has more apps, a wider selection and overall better apps, even if you have to pay for them.
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chismay said:
those point are valid, i dont mind paying for an app as long as it works. but ive noticed a large amount of apps for ios that dont actually do as described. like telling you one thing and you get something else.
about apple and solid product, no, this is the thing most people will confuse about me personally ,.....the ipad and phone COULD have been the greatest device ever,,,,,if:
A.you actually got a product on par with the price your paying
B. You bought it, you own it, you do what u want with it. not apples way
C. You wasnt forced to use the brands own very poor software to upload even a simple ringtone, i seriously dont get that....,,, oh wait i do you have to pay....not just for music but pay apple to get that music,. since when was apple my personal certified music agent?....self injected by apple very sneaky
D. apple products have had many of they're fair share of design flaws, these have just been swept under the carpet though. what about the massive i-4..."yeah the 4rth version" design flaw when you had to stick a rubber bumper on the side to get reception, and yeah you had to buy that rubber bumper ,,,, even though its apple fault.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop-to-0-when-held-left-handed/
NOW im not saying thats not a story for the android phones too but heres a small snippet about the htc one wifi problem and how htc went about fixing it for theyre valuable customers:
In addition, HTC is also urging affected users to their call customer support to see if their phone is one of the affected models. If HTC confirms that a user has a phone with the identified hardware flaw, they will issue a replacement device. <---- see the big differences?
other brands : buy a bad product from us we will fix or replace it at no cost you bought the device it should work....srry about that
apple: you bought it from us , its doesnt work.......so pay more money just get what you should already and have payed for,.
these are the things people hate about apple,
apple reminds me of that AOL Representative that wouldnt let that guy cancel his account.,... "well sir I THINK you need your account so im not goin to cancel it..........against your will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_knvtpENoQ
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I agree with the whole ring tone, buying a song off itunes is one thing but not being able to set it as a ring tone is just plain obsurd.. Who knows maybe they'll offer it as a feature in one of their updates ha ha ha ha.. I also don't like how finicky the iphone is when it comes to trying to play videos on it... With my galaxy s3 I just drag and drop and it plays pretty much any video format I have.
I thought both the iphone and ipad were priced decently. My galaxy s3 cost just as much as an iphone4.. I mean how much was a motorola xoom when it came out? Roughly the same amount as an ipad think.
I'm really not trying to argue, we can go back and forth all day, iphone had reception issues, a few of the nexus line of phones has screen issues, it happens.. Although people seem to be a bit more harsh when it's apple.. I remember I had an HTC evo, phone worked fine but the software had a bug.. there was a known android bug where I would click on a text but it would send me to a different contact, me unknowingly would shoot out the text and by the time I realized someone else had gotten the text... It was too late.. I had a lot of embarrassing moments because of this. I know apple had that one clock bug where it didn't update to daylights savings time... Everybody has problems..no company's is perfect... I don't know what I'm getting with this really, I'm a neutral guy. I use both os's, they both have their pros and cons... That's all I gotta say.
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chismay said:
thats great info i myself as a "not even semi-pro" music dj'er i have used abletone, native, etc an yeah i did find that more was supported by ios,
But is that the O/S's fault or the developers?
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agreed, but as we've seen with Flipboard and every other popular ios app, is android support THAT much different? lol
Moscow Desire said:
An Apple device, can make your wallet thinner :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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And there's an APP for that too!
kylereid said:
agreed, but as we've seen with Flipboard and every other popular ios app, is android support THAT much different? lol
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i read somewhere that the reason why iOS had such great dj'ing and music apps is sound processing. nobody can deny ipods have the greatest sound, better than any portable music player. apple took that and added it to the pads and phones. dunno if it's a software or hardware thing, but it's there. with jellybean now out i thought that might change a bit but i have not seen anything about it yet.
btw some Apple fanboys that i know are actually happy that Google fixed the fragmentation and wrote the gpu code from scratch. as another user said in earlier post, the OSes are paired in performance now.
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