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Reluctant Return - Eee Pad Transformer General

My xformer tablet has a speaker problem. The RIGHT hand speaker is just intermittent.
Damn.
I hope my retail has some newer stock. I am tempted to go to the iPad 2. Love the Asus, but not being able to get hold of a dock, there has been very little to differentiate between my wifes ipad 1.
JJ

Its all up to you. I've had no problem with my tf and it's the first gen if you want an ipad get one like every other person who thinks they are good when the tf can do the same thing Plus more for 200 less
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Not sure where you live, but the Fry's here in Woodland Hills, California has a boat load of docks, I know because I just bought mine yesterday for $162.04, tax included. They are 'B60K" versions.

I had to send mine in because both speakers stopped working. I got it back with worse light bleed than before... And it cost me $20 to ship.
I hate the fact that it's a gamble to send a tablet in for repair, but it was the case for me.
With the trouble I've had with the 3.2 update and the dimmed screen bug when sharing stuff or opening links/files, I'm glad I have an iPad as a backup. My useful transformer is quickly becoming the source of all my frustration lately.

doublej said:
I am tempted to go to the iPad 2.
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LOL, go on then, be my guest, everyone I know is ditching Apple products because buying anything for them locks you into their products forever, as nobody wants to throw away app purchases and content.
Android is clearly the future for anyone with a brain. You buy an Android device, and your apps work on any Android device, you want to switch from a Asus Tablet to a Samsung one a few years time? No Problemo... Want to use a HTC phone rather than a Motorola? No Problemo....

CrazyPeter said:
Android is clearly the future for anyone with a brain. You buy an Android device, and your apps work on any Android device, you want to switch from a Asus Tablet to a Samsung one a few years time? No Problemo... Want to use a HTC phone rather than a Motorola? No Problemo....
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Your kidding right? How many gameloft games work with our Android devices? Depends on which device you have. I bought a few EA games for my phone and tablet and now neither work. Got a new Samsung phone, well you're out of luck because many apps won't work with it. How's netflix running? Right... it doesn't unless you hack your transformer....
At least with apple, you buy ANY app and it will work - regardless of what you have. When they say the ipad "just works", they weren't kidding. I have no hassles at all with my ipad 2. My transformer on the other hand force closes, randomly reboots, has battery drain issues,etc. And I'm not the only one! Quality control from ASUS has been dismal and you really can't deny that.
I love my Android phone and tablet, but I'm VERY impressed at what Apple has done and the quality of apps available for their devices - something that Android has years to catch up to.
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If all you do is focus on the bad to worse parts of the tf than okay, it is a worthless piece of technology..!
But if you focus on the good points, the selling points like the dock then it's an awesome piece of technology. Apple products are being designed to be fool proof, something that android can't garantue because on android we experiment with different ideas. We're not limited to what apple wants us to do or wants us to make, we're free. We're allowed to customize our devices the way we want, and sure that will bring some fc's from time to time but hey? that's life!
I do aknowledge that the battery drain problem shouldn't have excisted and that it is a sloppy error in the device, but asus has been trying to fix it (I don't know if it has been fixed though..) while when I had an apple product they would just say, well just wait for the next Iphone, then it'll be fixed!
No apple, that is not how you treat your customers!
And no asus you shouldn't have released this product with a bit more testing.
But who cares? It is a great piece of technology and if you want to switch to apple I say go ahead, nobody will stop you.
It will be fool proof, it will work but with every positif thing there must be something negatif to come with it. And that is the restrictions you get from apple.
The random reboot problem has been a standard android issue for awhile now, I've seen it on my cappy too! the random fc's well.. just compare them to the ipad games when they freeze.. and the random shutdowns? well whenever your ipad stops working and freezes you need to push hella lots of buttons to reset it! Be happy android kills itself first ^^"
What I'm trying to say is,
Both platforms have their cons and pros and you need to be aware of both before buying. I'm sorry for your problems you're having with your tf and hope that if you do change to apple you won't experience them with your ipad. (my god I sound like a support centre -.-").
Don't flame me, Im just trying to reason in this thread ! ^^

CrazyPeter said:
LOL, go on then, be my guest, everyone I know is ditching Apple products because buying anything for them locks you into their products forever, as nobody wants to throw away app purchases and content.
Android is clearly the future for anyone with a brain. You buy an Android device, and your apps work on any Android device, you want to switch from a Asus Tablet to a Samsung one a few years time? No Problemo... Want to use a HTC phone rather than a Motorola? No Problemo....
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> Android is clearly the future for anyone with a brain.
Quite the opposite - the next release (ICS) is make or break. Fragmentation almost killed it before it got going...
. but don't get me wrong - It wasn't an accident that I got the Asus & Honeycomb - the transformer is the first device that ticks all boxes - PLUS has the nifty dock..
I'm just saying - that when apple released the ipad 1, they set the standard for screen quality, build quality, battery life etc etc and even 12-18 months down the road, other manufacturers are struggling to meet that - and the android eco system is similarly playing a little bit of catch up.e
Of course we may say, it's cheaper, it;s open, etc etc and those things are all great, but it means nothing if many of the devlices fall below a certain quality & usability standard that the market already set.

EP2008 said:
Quality control from ASUS has been dismal and you really can't deny that.
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I can. Whilst I do have the battery drain issue, and my dock is away for RMA, I don't have any of those other issues, never had a FC, never had a reboot, don't have any build quality issues at all, and I don't have light-bleed. There is definitely a very small vocal minority making alot of noise about some very minor issues.
You sometimes have to wonder if it's not some viral marketing scam, and if they are actually TF101 owners....
doublej said:
> Android is clearly the future for anyone with a brain.
Quite the opposite - the next release (ICS) is make or break. Fragmentation almost killed it before it got going...
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Apple's fragmentation is MUCH worse than Android, of course Steve Jobs marketing machine ensures anything that suggests otherwise quickly gets burried or bought out...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...ood-still-much-better-than-ios-fragmentation/

> You sometimes have to wonder if it's not some viral marketing scam, and if they are actually TF101 owners...
at least I know what I'm dealing with now. You put the Crazy in CrazyPeter.
Have a great day.

CrazyPeter said:
I can. Whilst I do have the battery drain issue, and my dock is away for RMA, I don't have any of those other issues, never had a FC, never had a reboot, don't have any build quality issues at all, and I don't have light-bleed. There is definitely a very small vocal minority making alot of noise about some very minor issues.
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You need to get that Transformer up on the news! There are some users who have tested 3,4, 5 units and they all have QC issues - my lightbleed issue went from bad to really bad after sending it in for repair; my speakers totally died; other people report only of of their speakers working or uneven volume; lots of reports of "creaking"; some users have bezels on their units that don't even look finished from the factory; some users have broken power buttons; "early builds" of docks don't even work with the power save mode; users have reported the paint coming off their Transformers; etc., etc., I'm not saying that all units are bad, but I've had many tablets and this one is the only one with build quality issues. Even the $150, Coby tablet I had was much better built than the TF is; don't even get me started with comparing it to the ipad...
When people pay for a product, no matter how cheap or expensive, the product should not be defective. For most, build quality issues are defects.
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doublej said:
> You sometimes have to wonder if it's not some viral marketing scam, and if they are actually TF101 owners...
at least I know what I'm dealing with now. You put the Crazy in CrazyPeter.
Have a great day.
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Come on, most people these days know how many people and how much money both Microsoft and Apple spend on viral marketing, astro-turfing and keeping their Internet image spotless and ensuring their less than spectacular products always appear to have a loyal fanbase, which in turn builds a loyal fanbase (as nobody likes to be left out...).
Just look at the endless Windows Phone 7 posts about how wonderful it is, when anyone with half a brain knows it's a turd. It's like the Xbox 360 launch all over again... with a pre-built fanbase of employed astro-turfers.
Part of the problem of course is that this is so rife in the US, that Americans can't even see how they are being manipulated on such a large scale by companies like MS and Apple, with bottomless marketing budgets. You have to be an outsider looking in to be able to see that.

I am certainly not going to say that Android and the phones that go with it, are all wonderful and great things. I will say that as a platform, Android far exceeds what iOS brings to the table. Don't get me wrong, Apple makes a simple, easy to use product that works consistently. But there is so much you lose in that process. Lack of widgets, need to open an application to find out what notices it is sending you, rigid screen setup, need for a Mac or PC to update the OS (although I hear this may finally go away), silly applet management model (if you do an update it backs up the applets themselves to your desktop rather than just redownloading the latest version from the app store).
I haven't had any major issues with any of my Android devices that could be pointed back to the OS. I have had some hardware build issues and that goes to my choice to buy now rather than to wait for a well designed well built product. ASUS did a fair job with this but honestly I should have waited for the Thinkpad since I just feel that Lenovo works much harder at quality control especially for the Thinkpad brand. That being said, now that I have the ASUS (even though I still have a week to return it), I can't imagine giving it up for any other tablet.
So for me it was a matter of tradeoffs, I wanted Android because the tradeoffs favored it rather than iOS. But I have to give it to Apple on general hardware quality, this partially goes to there being no competition in their space though. If the iOS 5 device is late, only Apple knows it. There aren't 5 other vendors who will flood the market with iOS 5 devices.

captmiddy said:
I am certainly not going to say that Android and the phones that go with it, are all wonderful and great things. I will say that as a platform, Android far exceeds what iOS brings to the table. Don't get me wrong, Apple makes a simple, easy to use product that works consistently. But there is so much you lose in that process. Lack of widgets, need to open an application to find out what notices it is sending you, rigid screen setup, need for a Mac or PC to update the OS (although I hear this may finally go away), silly applet management model (if you do an update it backs up the applets themselves to your desktop rather than just redownloading the latest version from the app store).
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My brother's been testing ios 5 (he's a developer) and from the sound of it, Android has a lot to be worried about. All of the major complaints will go away and some of the new features will crush Android (e.g. app data in ios 5 is backed up to the cloud, so reinstalling an app will give you the option to restore app data - no rooting, titanium backup nonsense needed). The notification system will actually be better than what android offers and you will no longer need a computer to setup/update an ios device. It won't allow users all the freedom that Android offers, but it will be stable and will not induce late-night headaches either
Of course, both os's offer different flavors of usability, but I have a feeling that ios 5 will make the ipad an untouchable force in the tablet world - that is until Android becomes STABLE and can offer 100,000+ tablet apps, but I don't see that happening for many years.
I'm a happy camper because I have both devices, so I don't have to be a fanboy of either - I use what works for the task at hand and both the Transformer and Ipad 2 offer their own strenghts depending on what you're doing at the moment.
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EP2008 said:
Your kidding right? How many gameloft games work with our Android devices? Depends on which device you have. I bought a few EA games for my phone and tablet and now neither work. Got a new Samsung phone, well you're out of luck because many apps won't work with it. How's netflix running? Right... it doesn't unless you hack your transformer....
At least with apple, you buy ANY app and it will work - regardless of what you have. When they say the ipad "just works", they weren't kidding. I have no hassles at all with my ipad 2. My transformer on the other hand force closes, randomly reboots, has battery drain issues,etc. And I'm not the only one! Quality control from ASUS has been dismal and you really can't deny that.
I love my Android phone and tablet, but I'm VERY impressed at what Apple has done and the quality of apps available for their devices - something that Android has years to catch up to.
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Despite all of this...his main point was that you can transfer your purchased apps and games into any Android device you please. You aren't locked in to Asus...if you want to return and get a Samsung...you don't have to worry about having to buy a whole new set of apps.
Also, I don't really play games on Tablets...the current games are too "casual" for me and don't hold my attention.

EP2008 said:
My brother's been testing ios 5 (he's a developer) and from the sound of it, Android has a lot to be worried about. All of the major complaints will go away and some of the new features will crush Android (e.g. app data in ios 5 is backed up to the cloud, so reinstalling an app will give you the option to restore app data - no rooting, titanium backup nonsense needed). The notification system will actually be better than what android offers and you will no longer need a computer to setup/update an ios device. It won't allow users all the freedom that Android offers, but it will be stable and will not induce late-night headaches either
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That's pretty cool...I wish I had an ability to do that with the TF (I don't want to root so Titanium is a no go for me), competition is not a bad thing.

newtybar said:
Despite all of this...his main point was that you can transfer your purchased apps and games into any Android device you please. You aren't locked in to Asus...if you want to return and get a Samsung...you don't have to worry about having to buy a whole new set of apps.
Also, I don't really play games on Tablets...the current games are too "casual" for me and don't hold my attention.
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I don't understand. You get a new iproduct and you transfer your apps - easy as pie. The advantage of having only "one" ipad is that you get stability and consistancy. This could be considered the biggest selling point. With Android, you get a new device and maybe it doesn't root easily - so you lose all you root-specific apps. Maybe half the games you get aren't compatible with your new device. I've had these problems with the android devices i have. It's very frustrating.
Tablet games on ios are AMAZING my friend - Dead space, GTA, Real Racing, Marble Madness, etc. You can go ultra casual or console-quality - There isn't one game on Android that I "miss" on ios. I basically stopped buying games for my Transformer, I purchase only apps or use free ones.
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Just wanted to say - I got my Xoom, and yes, I do see some freezes and weird behavior every once in a while.
It doesn't bother me though.
We're all early adopters helping to push Honeycomb forward. Since Xoom is the only tablet atm that uses honeycomb, and it's a pure "Google Experience Device", I'm sure we'll have updates from ElGoog soon and often. Plus, this device is a heaven for developmental though and experimentation, so I'm sure we'll see great things from our local genuises at XDA.
So everyone chill and enjoy a rare opportunity to be there when it all starts =)

DarkDvr said:
Just wanted to say - I got my Xoom, and yes, I do see some freezes and weird behavior every once in a while.
It doesn't bother me though.
We're all early adopters helping to push Honeycomb forward. Since Xoom is the only tablet atm that uses honeycomb, and it's a pure "Google Experience Device", I'm sure we'll have updates from ElGoog soon and often. Plus, this device is a heaven for developmental though and experimentation, so I'm sure we'll see great things from our local genuises at XDA.
So everyone chill and enjoy a rare opportunity to be there when it all starts =)
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I have had mine since the doors opened at Costco here in South Florida and I have not had one freeze or force close. I think people may be loading up apps that are not designed for Honeycomb causing issues. For the most part, I am sticking to Honeycomb apps only with a few exceptions. I am also not loading alternate launchers like ADW. I suspect loading things like this will cause problems.

Yea I couldn't agree more.just be patient.we'll have a flash update coming within two weeks also.I love my Xoom
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keitht said:
I have had mine since the doors opened at Costco here in South Florida and I have not had one freeze or force close. I think people may be loading up apps that are not designed for Honeycomb causing issues. For the most part, I am sticking to Honeycomb apps only with a few exceptions. I am also not loading alternate launchers like ADW. I suspect loading things like this will cause problems.
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+1 mines never froze, fc'd or lagged either. Its a little slow rotating sometimes but its not an issue.
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I read a post yesterday, I can't remember by who, saying that this "Early Adopter" argument is invalid. I believe it was because it would be easy for all tech-companies to take advantage of this and release crappy products that they know consumers will eat up and look past the issues because they know they are "early adopters". As much as I don't like to repeatedly mention Apple, it doesn't seem that they release products riddled with bugs and expect their consumers to shrug it off and say "Oh yea, we're just early adopters, these bugs don't matter!".
Nothing can be perfect obviously, but things can be more perfect than others. Why release something so unfinished when you can release it later in a more complete state? I don't have a Xoom yet, but it seems that Honeycomb was rushed out the door much too quickly. Did Google do this to beat the iPad 2 in the market race? We all know it will still easily sale millions.. they could've waited.

Apple doesn't release products before they are ready? Really? Have you used an iPhone 4 and tried to make a phone call? Did you used an Ipad when it first came out? It had no software for it. Once competition comes and millions of people buy android tablets, the developers will come.
While I agree I would of prefered and more polished Honeycomb, there are ALWAYS growing pains with new technology...especially with brand a new OS. My xoom, like wine, will only get better with age.
Just give it time. It isn't a half assed product....it just needs some software updates. Lets all be happy that soon the mod community is going to do things with it that won't be possible with other devices.
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Yeah. It's not halfassed. Only about 5% assed.
I think the update will work wonders.

Eclair~ said:
I read a post yesterday, I can't remember by who, saying that this "Early Adopter" argument is invalid. I believe it was because it would be easy for all tech-companies to take advantage of this and release crappy products that they know consumers will eat up and look past the issues because they know they are "early adopters". As much as I don't like to repeatedly mention Apple, it doesn't seem that they release products riddled with bugs and expect their consumers to shrug it off and say "Oh yea, we're just early adopters, these bugs don't matter!".
Nothing can be perfect obviously, but things can be more perfect than others. Why release something so unfinished when you can release it later in a more complete state? I don't have a Xoom yet, but it seems that Honeycomb was rushed out the door much too quickly. Did Google do this to beat the iPad 2 in the market race? We all know it will still easily sale millions.. they could've waited.
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I just wonder how you can give a valid opinion about something you don't own. It would be like me giving an opinion on a ferrari italia.

Eclair~ said:
I read a post yesterday, I can't remember by who, saying that this "Early Adopter" argument is invalid. I believe it was because it would be easy for all tech-companies to take advantage of this and release crappy products that they know consumers will eat up and look past the issues because they know they are "early adopters". As much as I don't like to repeatedly mention Apple, it doesn't seem that they release products riddled with bugs and expect their consumers to shrug it off and say "Oh yea, we're just early adopters, these bugs don't matter!".
Nothing can be perfect obviously, but things can be more perfect than others. Why release something so unfinished when you can release it later in a more complete state? I don't have a Xoom yet, but it seems that Honeycomb was rushed out the door much too quickly. Did Google do this to beat the iPad 2 in the market race? We all know it will still easily sale millions.. they could've waited.
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i am using my bt keyboard on the xoom. honeycomb is quite e finished product in terms of its normal use. ive not had one freeze or rrreboot. i had one force close becasue i tried to run a rdp/vnc app. it force closed and i move to next app which did work for controlling my pc. you have people on here either talking without owning the product or loading things not designed or updated for this hardware OR software. such as flashlight apps, launchers, etc. ive used all the apps designed for tablets in the market and ive had no issues. ive played the couple of free games (which performed quite well) and used things as simple as the weather app. smooth sailing. i WOULD like to see more apps (like dish networks sling app) but thats not moto or googles fault.
the bugs ive read about in most topics dont happen to me. im gonna be testing the 720 rip playback later as i havent moved much media to mine yet.
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keitht said:
I have had mine since the doors opened at Costco here in South Florida and I have not had one freeze or force close. I think people may be loading up apps that are not designed for Honeycomb causing issues. For the most part, I am sticking to Honeycomb apps only with a few exceptions. I am also not loading alternate launchers like ADW. I suspect loading things like this will cause problems.
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Hey, I was first in line at my South Fla Costco...lol. You must have gone to Flagler.
I've had a few FC's but I'll admit they were mainly on the first day. Since then I've been good.

colbyb25 said:
Apple doesn't release products before they are ready? Really? Have you used an iPhone 4 and tried to make a phone call? Did you used an Ipad when it first came out? It had no software for it. Once competition comes and millions of people buy android tablets, the developers will come.
While I agree I would of prefered and more polished Honeycomb, there are ALWAYS growing pains with new technology...especially with brand a new OS. My xoom, like wine, will only get better with age.
Just give it time. It isn't a half assed product....it just needs some software updates. Lets all be happy that soon the mod community is going to do things with it that won't be possible with other devices.
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The iPhone4 was a design decision. Had they waited 3 more months it still would have had that same problem.
The iPad had over a thousand third party apps at launch, what are you talking about?
And Android isn't going to compete in the tablet world by releasing beta tablets with buggy software. A normal user would have returned the Xoom after seeing 7 apps at launch, no flash at launch, non functional SD card slot, buggy OS and apps force closing. If normal users see this as their first impression of a Google tablet, that will stick with them for a while. The "early adopter" nonsense is absolutely the worst argument that anyone could make.

atoy74 said:
Hey, I was first in line at my South Fla Costco...lol. You must have gone to Flagler.
I've had a few FC's but I'll admit they were mainly on the first day. Since then I've been good.
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I went to Pompano Beach Costco. The Verizon guy there gave me trouble with the activation thing. I had to keep pushing him to call more people. Each person he called at Verizon didn't know about the change that activation is not required. Hopefully I helped anyone that came after me

I had two freezes while playing cordy. There was an update for it yesterday that seems to have fixed it. Other than that I have not had any stability issues, just some minor graphical issues.
As far as Apple stability goes am I the only one old enough to remember the axiom "never buy a first Gen apple product."? Apple is somewhat notorious for problems with first Gen products.
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muyoso said:
The iPhone4 was a design decision. Had they waited 3 more months it still would have had that same problem.
The iPad had over a thousand third party apps at launch, what are you talking about?
And Android isn't going to compete in the tablet world by releasing beta tablets with buggy software. A normal user would have returned the Xoom after seeing 7 apps at launch, no flash at launch, non functional SD card slot, buggy OS and apps force closing. If normal users see this as their first impression of a Google tablet, that will stick with them for a while. The "early adopter" nonsense is absolutely the worst argument that anyone could make.
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I'm glad you knew this, I was starting to think I had no argument.

JanetPanic said:
I had two freezes while playing cordy. There was an update for it yesterday that seems to have fixed it. Other than that I have not had any stability issues, just some minor graphical issues.
As far as Apple stability goes am I the only one old enough to remember the axiom "never buy a first Gen apple product."? Apple is somewhat notorious for problems with first Gen products.
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I think you can say the same with most companies that release version 1 products.

Eclair~ said:
I read a post yesterday, I can't remember by who, saying that this "Early Adopter" argument is invalid. I believe it was because it would be easy for all tech-companies to take advantage of this and release crappy products that they know consumers will eat up and look past the issues because they know they are "early adopters". As much as I don't like to repeatedly mention Apple, it doesn't seem that they release products riddled with bugs and expect their consumers to shrug it off and say "Oh yea, we're just early adopters, these bugs don't matter!".
Nothing can be perfect obviously, but things can be more perfect than others. Why release something so unfinished when you can release it later in a more complete state? I don't have a Xoom yet, but it seems that Honeycomb was rushed out the door much too quickly. Did Google do this to beat the iPad 2 in the market race? We all know it will still easily sale millions.. they could've waited.
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Obviously they could have waited, its about supply and demand. The demand was there, so they got it out as fast as they could in working order. It has its problems, software problems, I love it it and didnt want to wait a day longer. They know what they're doing, google isn't Microsoft lol. It works, we want it, were willing to sacrifice a little functionality to be able to have it now, we love it , if you don't like the problems then thats your problem dont cry about i, either don't get one or wait to get one, everyone who bought it knew for the most part what types of problems we might come across, nobody is making you buy it nor keep it! You have no right to speculate on why they should or should not have released it like this, only the right to not buy or use it

parrotheadmjb said:
Obviously they could have waited, its about supply and demand. The demand was there, so they got it out as fast as they could in working order. It has its problems, software problems, I love it it and didnt want to wait a day longer. They know what they're doing, google isn't Microsoft lol. It works, we want it, were willing to sacrifice a little functionality to be able to have it now, we love it , if you don't like the problems then thats your problem dont cry about i, either don't get one or wait to get one, everyone who bought it knew for the most part what types of problems we might come across, nobody is making you buy it nor keep it! You have no right to speculate on why they should or should not have released it like this, only the right to not buy or use it
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sorry but a user has every right to gripe about the limitations of the product they purchased.
Google has a history of releasing buggy products, and improving them over time. its just how they do it. (a la google tv, nexus one launch, etc) does that make them a bad company? no. but to a mainstream (non techie) user who uses the product as is, the xoom out of the box is somewhat of a disappointment because of some basic feature limitations at launch. (no software sd support, no flash support, lack of proper video encoding support, which is a surprise as Google is normally great with cross compatibility). I personally feel that the Xoom launch was rushed in order to get as many early adopter sales before the iPad2 hits. I'm verrry sure that had the xoom been released the same time as iPad2 launch date, xoom sales numbers would be much lower.
i was an avid iPad user (gave it away), and currently awaiting for the xoom to arrive in the mail. i'm looking forward to using it.

What you are totally missing is the fact that the majority of apps look and work just fine. None of this "2x" bull crap that apple did with there tablet launch. I ask, did you purchase an Ipad when it first came out? Do you own a Xoom? If no to one or both counts, you lose some credibility with your argument.
No one is giving Motorola or Google a pass, but there is some kind of understanding with new gear. That is not an excuse, but something to take into account. I personally love xoom, both for what is and what it can and will be. You want a completely bug free and flawless piece of equipment, make it yourself. If you have ever ran your own company, you would know that every prouduct and system goes through some level of growing pains.
Too many people think the xoom is supposed to magically outsell the I pad...which will never happen. Apple, if nothing else has done an AMAZING job at marketing and creating demand for their sometimes sub par, at least technologcally, products. That being said, android is picking up steam and offering a solid competition to the ios system. Does it still have a ways to go...sure. But it is heading that way and things are only going to get better from here.
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aohus said:
sorry but a user has every right to gripe about the limitations of the product they purchased.
Google has a history of releasing buggy products, and improving them over time. its just how they do it. (a la google tv, nexus one launch, etc) does that make them a bad company? no. but to a mainstream (non techie) user who uses the product as is, the xoom out of the box is somewhat of a disappointment because of some basic feature limitations at launch. (no software sd support, no flash support, lack of proper video encoding support, which is a surprise as Google is normally great with cross compatibility). I personally feel that the Xoom launch was rushed in order to get as many early adopter sales before the iPad2 hits. I'm verrry sure that had the xoom been released the same time as iPad2 launch date, xoom sales numbers would be much lower.
i was an avid iPad user (gave it away), and currently awaiting for the xoom to arrive in the mail. i'm looking forward to using it.
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You just contradicted yourself, you said
1. They have the right to complain about the product being released too early
2. Google has a history of releasing buggy products
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They have no right to complain, they knew in advance or they don't possess the ability to think
Also, you can just return it.... but no *****ing about the obvious is a better idea

Well, the no software argument is pointless, you'll have to wait here. Phone Android didn't start with that much apps either, same for iPhone, Windows, any OS.

If Asus can keep up the speed they're showing so far in addressing issues, smoothing out bugs and adding new features. I do belive Transformer can grab a lot of money out of Apple's hands.Even my ipad devotee friends are seriously impressed with the kind of support Asus is throwing down here, truly raising the bar.

I dont know. First off, they gotta actually make enough tablets to sell. Second, the ipad has sold millions. The xoom about 200k... that's a pretty big gap.

Its quite possible but Asus must get serious about quality control.

Raised the bar?
Raised the bar on support? I think that's being very generous to them. So far, I've been using a product where half of it doesn't work at all, and the other half crashes every half an hour or so.
This was absolutely unfit to be released and makes me wish I'd gone with a windows tablet instead. The drivers provided by asus are so far terrible and the software provided by google is immature.
The only reason I'm sticking with it is that Asus has a good attitude toward their customers and I'm confident they will resolve the issue quickly. As it stands I'm embarassed to show this product to anyone.

My 2 cents is the iPad sales will be impacted not by a particular Android table, but by the fleet of Android tablets coming to market. This how Android overtook Apple in the cell phone market. While there are certain people that will always buy the Apple product, when there a dozen other models in different sizes and with unique features (like the docking ability of the transformer) it becomes hard to settle for the iPad.
With that said, it would be great to see Apple come out with a docking station for the iPad. That would validate the concept and create other tablet/notebook combos in the Android space.

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Raised the bar on support? I think that's being very generous to them. So far, I've been using a product where half of it doesn't work at all, and the other half crashes every half an hour or so.
This was absolutely unfit to be released and makes me wish I'd gone with a windows tablet instead. The drivers provided by asus are so far terrible and the software provided by google is immature.
The only reason I'm sticking with it is that Asus has a good attitude toward their customers and I'm confident they will resolve the issue quickly. As it stands I'm embarassed to show this product to anyone.
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i'd think embarassed is a bit of a stretch.....

midimaker said:
Raised the bar on support? I think that's being very generous to them. So far, I've been using a product where half of it doesn't work at all, and the other half crashes every half an hour or so.
This was absolutely unfit to be released and makes me wish I'd gone with a windows tablet instead. The drivers provided by asus are so far terrible and the software provided by google is immature.
The only reason I'm sticking with it is that Asus has a good attitude toward their customers and I'm confident they will resolve the issue quickly. As it stands I'm embarassed to show this product to anyone.
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Have you updated your firmware yet? The latest FOTA has fixed issues for many people.
Folks who buy 1st release hardware have to have a lot of patience as early adopters are guinea pigs, we spot all the problems so that the OEM can fix them. In return we get the joy of having the hardware first, of getting to know it inside and out and the pride of knowing that we've hopefully contributed to making it a better product for untold numbers of fellow consumers.
Also, how much research did you do before you bought? What are your portable system needs? If in fact your needs would have been served better by a Windows tablet why did you chose one running the Honeycomb OS which is acknowledged by all to be in its infancy?
Thus far, Asus has been listening ,communicating with members here,firmware updates are being rolled out pretty quickly to fix issues.
I'm very pleased with my purchase & proud of my new tablet

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As it stands I'm embarassed to show this product to anyone.
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Wow, I'd never be embarrassed to show a product to someone. Honestly, I couldn't care less what other people think about my purchases. If I like it, that's good enough for me.
Oh, and I love my TF, so...

Geekbabe said:
Thus far, Asus has been listening ,communicating with members here,firmware updates are being rolled out pretty quickly to fix issues.
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Absolutely. The Xoom still doesn't have a functioning microSD card slot, even though they're the Google Experience device (perhaps informally at this point). Sure, they got 3.1, but that's only because Motorola was first--which they achieved by putting out a tablet with far less functionality than the TF.
My Xoom will be going back to Costco soon, and one of the biggest reasons is that Motorola has been sooooo slow in updating it.

Asus updates are great but its still falls well short of the ipad perfected UI.
Once Tegra 3 hits things should start to even out.

Completely agree about Motorola being slow to update. In general I have a Droid X, i am super unsatisfied with the quality of their software. Thats one of the reasons I sterred clear of the Xoom. There are many ther reasons as well, but thats a big one.

I really don't think it's unreasonable as a customer to buy a computer with a keyboard and expect it to work
I researched this a lot. The lack of bloat on android as opposed to windows makes for a good platform with good battery life and it runs citrix really nicely which is great for work. The reviews were positive and sure any niggles would be resolved by launch. Great I thought.
Sadly it wasn't to be. I've updated to the latest website ww. Firmware but no ota as yet

SonicTab said:
Asus updates are great but its still falls well short of the ipad perfected UI.
Once Tegra 3 hits things should start to even out.
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You do realize that Apple has had like 4 years to perfect iOS, right? This is the first iteration of Honeycomb, and it's much more an OS issue (Google) than it is a hardware issue (Tegra 2/Asus).

SonicTab said:
Asus updates are great but its still falls well short of the ipad perfected UI.
Once Tegra 3 hits things should start to even out.
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A Processor/Graphics chipset doesn't = perfected UI. Honestly I prefer the UI of Android to iOS because it is customiseable. To me Android 3.0 has exceeded iOS in terms of ease of use and more. My biggest gripe with iOS is that it is so simple it can be difficult. Settings and tricks are hidden from the average user and aren't that easy to use, like the Multitasking. To close an open program/switch to one fast it isn't easy like it is on Android.
Either way Tegra 3 just means more power for games and more, not a perfect UI.
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SonicTab said:
Asus updates are great but its still falls well short of the ipad perfected UI.
Once Tegra 3 hits things should start to even out.
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Until Hardware acceleration is implemented in all parts of the UI you will not have a completely silky smooth experience unless you throw lots of horsepower at it, which just equals wasted battery. It's the software that needs to be updated. Android 3.1 is supposed to bring video acceleration which is needed to get the most out of the newest flash updates. From the reviews it also sounds like hardware acceleration was implemented in the launcher as well.

midimaker said:
I really don't think it's unreasonable as a customer to buy a computer with a keyboard and expect it to work
I researched this a lot. The lack of bloat on android as opposed to windows makes for a good platform with good battery life and it runs citrix really nicely which is great for work. The reviews were positive and sure any niggles would be resolved by launch. Great I thought.
Sadly it wasn't to be. I've updated to the latest website ww. Firmware but no ota as yet
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My point to you is this, why would you chose to buy a 1st release piece of hardware running an OS that's still under development if you needed a rock solid,proven stable system for work? The fact that Honeycomb is still lacking is pretty well known, even the most casual of Google searches turns up tons of reviews complaining about how undeveloped the OS is.It would stand to reason that ANY tablet running this OS is going to be subject to it's limitations at this point and the bugs that go along with it.
I'm sorry for your troubles and hope the OTA update fixes your issues or that you'll be able to return your TF for a full refund and be able to get the windows tablet that will better serve your immediate needs.

No way is this close to an apple killer. Neither is all of the android tablets combined. Apple is the king of the tablet marketplace and android is the queen. Good thing they are both at the top though. Oh...i have a TF on the way and cant wait...not too impressed with ipads.

cochese135 said:
No way is this close to an apple killer. Neither is all of the android tablets combined. Apple is the king of the tablet marketplace and android is the queen. Good thing they are both at the top though. Oh...i have a TF on the way and cant wait...not too impressed with ipads.
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I'd agree, the TF isn't an iPad killer. What Apple excels at making are "stupid-proof" consumer electronics. They are designed to be easy to use and stable. This stability comes at a cost, however. Apple products are locked down primarily to provide this stability. There is a solid market for Apple's equipment. If you were buying a tablet or smart phone for your elderly mother/father or recommending something for technologically challenged boss, iPad or iPhone is a great choice because it will just work.
Personally, I prefer the Android tablet because it doesn't have the lock down and is what I consider more "open". I have the TF and love it. I love that I don't have to use iTunes and I love that I can plug in a micro SD card if I want. I love that I can plug it in and actually access the data via computer and I love the form factor of the device. Oh, I also love the money I saved!! I'd put it up against an iPad any day for someone who understands the occasional FC and someone who has the patience to understand what we're dealing with. It's faster, more powerful and has the potential to do MORE than the iPad will ever be able to do.
iPad killer? Not likely. Solid competitor? ABSOLUTELY! Options are a wonderful thing.

cochese135 said:
No way is this close to an apple killer. Neither is all of the android tablets combined. Apple is the king of the tablet marketplace and android is the queen. Good thing they are both at the top though. Oh...i have a TF on the way and cant wait...not too impressed with ipads.
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Apple is sumed up in these words brilliant marketing average product
sent from my LEE Pad Transformer........I wish

midimaker said:
As it stands I'm embarassed to show this product to anyone.
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After reading that i couldn't help but laugh, i was buying an SD card for it and the guy at the store wanted to know what i was using it on. When i told him, he asked if i had it with me and if he could try it out; another employee came over right away to see.

Foxnews.com (I'm laughing already) posted a brief story about the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/06/17/samsung-galaxy-tab-101-no-match-for-ipad/
So yes, the Samsung Galaxy Tab feels nice in the hands, it's got a nice display, and the hardware works well. But who's buying a device like this? Do you walk into a store with a blindfold on, feel around for devices, and say, "You know what? That one feels nice. I'll take that one."
Let's talk about applications, for one thing. Samsung has included about six apps of their own on top of the standard Android package. Subtract them, and you're left with a bunch of shoddy applications that aren't really made for Honeycomb, the operating system running on this device.
There are a bunch of other Android apps, of course -- 65,000 of them or so -- but very few quality ones, and there are very few application developers who are really sinking their teeth into this platform at this to date.
For instance, there are very few good Twitter clients, and very few news readers. Want to browse headlines? You'll be hard pressed here.
So should you buy this device? I can't in good conscience tell you to go out and spend $400 on this half-baked experience when the fully baked iPad experience can be had for just a few dollars more.
Unless of course you want to go shopping blindfolded.​
Where to start?
* The picture before clicking on the story is of the 10.1V model.
* Android has a lot more than 65,000 apps (granted tablet optimized ones are much fewer).
* It's not a $400 tablet.
* I don't wear a blindfold when buying a tablet, but comfort is very important since I have to hold the thing in my hand.
I'm not gonna debate which is better. That's a matter of opinion. But wow, this story was just absolutely bad. Gave me a chuckle.

LOL fox news never ceases to amaze me with their stupidity and lies

Sadly people will read that and be influenced by it. Tech journalism is a toilet bowl.
How these people end up on " name " sites is beyond me.

This is that same station that has Glen Beck. What do you expect from them?

Obviously 'The Daily' isn't selling enough iPad subscriptions. Poor NewsCorp, this is what they've been reduced to.

He's truly an Apple Fan Boy. There was not one thing he liked about the Samsung and the Google experience it seemed. I have an iPad as well, but I prefer using the Android tablets. Yes, Apple has more apps, but many of the apps I use are crippled. For instance, DropBox & SugarSync apps for Android has a lot more features than the iPad version. That was one of the reasons why I went Android.
He's knocking the screen layout of the Samsung, because the Ipad is more suited for portrait mode. I have no problems with the widescreen format, because many laptop screens are pretty much the same format.
I'm glad I came across other reviews on the web. If this was the only review on the net, I'm sure people would definitely stay away from Android.

One thing I've noticed, is that ipad users are mentioning the GT10.1 low weight as a drawback. IIRC one of the great features the IP2 had over IP was lower weight. Of course when someone makes a lighter tablet than the IP2, it's a bad thing...

I never go tablet shopping blindfolded..... Im scared i would end up with an iPad

Actually there are some issues being reported from the early adaptors and I for one agree with some of the review given by Fox. I will not go along with any Fanboys from any tablet manufacture (Including those on this forum) but when I here some hands on users complaints at this early stag, this will consern me in not buying at first launch.
Case in point just today...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1128149
I hope all of you will take a break in bad mouthing a report when some of the story is true and confirmed by a few users.

SR45 said:
Actually there are some issues being reported from the early adaptors and I for one agree with some of the review given by Fox. I will not go along with any Fanboys from any tablet manufacture (Including those on this forum) but when I here some hands on users complaints at this early stag, this will consern me in not buying at first launch.
Case in point just today...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1128149
I hope all of you will take a break in bad mouthing a report when some of the story is true and confirmed by a few users.
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If the story actually complained about specific issues like browser lag or this so called screen response issue (I'm not seeing it), that would at least be somewhat credible.
The story is laughable because it's so factually incorrect and substanceless, and just seems to want to bash a product that I am not sure the author even touched.

SR45 said:
Actually there are some issues being reported from the early adaptors and I for one agree with some of the review given by Fox. I will not go along with any Fanboys from any tablet manufacture (Including those on this forum) but when I here some hands on users complaints at this early stag, this will consern me in not buying at first launch.
Case in point just today...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1128149
I hope all of you will take a break in bad mouthing a report when some of the story is true and confirmed by a few users.
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The browser lag typing in text boxes using the browser is not just a Samsung GT issue. It's a HoneyComb issue. I'm sure future updates will address this issue. I had the same issue with my Acer.

BlackOtaku said:
Obviously 'The Daily' isn't selling enough iPad subscriptions. Poor NewsCorp, this is what they've been reduced to.
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I just thought this was bad journalis, but of course, you're right on the money! With Foxnews being owned by NewsCorp which have a material stake in the success of ipad exclusive 'The Daily', of course, they have to trash Honeycomb Tablets ...

I bought one today, cause I wanted one. My $ and all. Don't watch foxnews propaganda either. That's for the dumbed down folks.
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Ravynmagi said:
Foxnews.com (I'm laughing already) posted a brief story about the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/06/17/samsung-galaxy-tab-101-no-match-for-ipad/
So yes, the Samsung Galaxy Tab feels nice in the hands, it's got a nice display, and the hardware works well. But who's buying a device like this? Do you walk into a store with a blindfold on, feel around for devices, and say, "You know what? That one feels nice. I'll take that one."
Let's talk about applications, for one thing. Samsung has included about six apps of their own on top of the standard Android package. Subtract them, and you're left with a bunch of shoddy applications that aren't really made for Honeycomb, the operating system running on this device.
There are a bunch of other Android apps, of course -- 65,000 of them or so -- but very few quality ones, and there are very few application developers who are really sinking their teeth into this platform at this to date.
For instance, there are very few good Twitter clients, and very few news readers. Want to browse headlines? You'll be hard pressed here.
So should you buy this device? I can't in good conscience tell you to go out and spend $400 on this half-baked experience when the fully baked iPad experience can be had for just a few dollars more.
Unless of course you want to go shopping blindfolded.​
Where to start?
* The picture before clicking on the story is of the 10.1V model.
* Android has a lot more than 65,000 apps (granted tablet optimized ones are much fewer).
* It's not a $400 tablet.
* I don't wear a blindfold when buying a tablet, but comfort is very important since I have to hold the thing in my hand.
I'm not gonna debate which is better. That's a matter of opinion. But wow, this story was just absolutely bad. Gave me a chuckle.
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I have to agree with them on apps. Android apps have always been sub par to apple apps. Other than that this tab is 100% worth it, even with the lag i find myself using it much more than my ipad

Jnn1 said:
I just thought this was bad journalis, but of course, you're right on the money! With Foxnews being owned by NewsCorp which have a material stake in the success of ipad exclusive 'The Daily', of course, they have to trash Honeycomb Tablets ...
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In my humble opinion, Fox News is never stupid without a reason. They typically strive to appeal to a conservative, Christian market (just like their UK cousin, the Daily Mail), and generally I think try to avoid stepping on the toes of anyone within their target demographic. (Everyone else though, is more than fair game) That's because they are a business. I honestly think it's their stake in the iPad that allowed this to even make it on the Fox News website, because they had to know that such a flippant and dismissive article would draw the ire of Android fans; and certainly, there must be some conservative Android users.

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LOL fox news never ceases to amaze me with their stupidity and lies
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What lies?

While I disagree with the review and find non-tech sourced reviews to be generally lackluster, people here (and in general) give Fox way too much trouble. From what I've seen, they're (at worst) as good as anyone else.

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What lies?
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Watch GB...
Article = bad tech journalism or outright propaganda...
As for the tablet - The glass pulling away is a real issue, how severe is yet to be determined. The browser lag is somewhat expected, hopefully fixed soon. Video playback issues cannot be fixed on this tablet unfortunately.
As for someone saying the weight of this tab is a negative, that is just retarded. My iPad 2 still feels heavy after reading for 5 hours (which I did for the first time yesterday).
Enjoy your sexy piece of hardware fellas... It really does look awesome

cypherx82 said:
While I disagree with the review and find non-tech sourced reviews to be generally lackluster, people here (and in general) give Fox way too much trouble. From what I've seen, they're (at worst) as good as anyone else.
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Ehh, like I said, they're a business. So is every other 24 hour cable news station, they all have weaknesses and annoying quirks (and quacks). I know I'm guilty of leading it in that direction a bit, but I don't think this thread should become a 'let's bash Fox!' thread. (Or Glenn Beck, he's leaving Fox anyway )

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I watched maybe 20 minutes of him yesterday (second time ever, first being when he was randomly on a few months back at 2 AM) and he made complete sense. Of course, that doesn't mean he's never said stupid stuff. (Far from it.)
I have yet to form an opinion on him, as most of the criticism I've heard of him was along the lines of "right wing loon", "Tea Party fascist", etc. which means nothing to me.

First off, I have an android phone, motorola atria.
I have a 32gb wifi iPad, and a chance to trade it for either an acer a500 or samsung galaxy tab 10.1 4g. It would be a straight trade. Would you do it?
I like the apps for the iPad, and there are great games for it. This is my only major road block right now. Hardware wise, I would trade for either one easily, but it's the software side that's keeping me from the simple trade.
Are there apps for android that are specifically made for tablets like iOS and their "hd" version of apps?
It seems the quality of apps and especially games are better right now for iPad?
Ps. In general I do prefer android, I would never trade my atrix for an iPhone. I'm speaking just tablet wise right now.

An iPad 1? It's a roughly equivalent trade though they might be coming out slightly ahead on a purely dollar perspective. Performance-wise, you may like the faster Android tablets if this not an iPad 2. However, if the software is there for you on the iPad, you could simply look to sell your iPad and pick up a newer iPad later. I would suspect Apple is due for an iPad 3 upgrade in the near future.
There are some apps Google claims as "tablet" in their tablet tab but they appear to just be standard apps a lot of times. Some apps do list themselves as HD, usually suggesting they work well with tabs but I don't know that Android has the same quantity of tab apps that iOS does. Most of the time you're just working with phone apps that also work on a tab. If sales increase on Android tablets, I would expect that to change but it may not be the fastest process, particularly if phone apps are working.
App quality on Android certainly runs the spectrum from really solid to absolute junk. Given Google's app stance, that's just the way things go. Right now, companies looking to sell apps and games still look to iOS first. Even at a lower market percentage, iOS is still more profitable for developers than Android. Android users just seem to be more reluctant to purchase apps where iOS doesn't seem to suffer that same problem - Apple's got them used to opening their wallets wide and frequently That's not to say that there isn't junk on iOS.
Part of the reason for the junk, though, is the way Apple and Google go about allowing publishing. You need to be a subscriber to some annual developer service on Apple to publish. $99 a year, I believe. Not a huge amount but it's a consideration. I don't know that Google has any monetary requirements involved. So Google gets a lot more people wanting to develop for it but they can end up with guys that are just learning Java and scrounged something together that managed to run. On the other hand, you get some great developers that have an easy entry in and can put out brilliant software. There's good and bad that comes with both positions.

As the previous poster said, it depends on if it is an iPad 1 or 2. Just to put things in perspective right now:
In canada, a wifi iPad2 32GB is $619.99, An Iconia A500 32GB can cost as low as $349.99. If you have an iPad2 you are probably better off selling the iPad separately and buying an Iconia. If you are looking at a Galaxy Tab then a straight up trade might not be so bad as they cost more and have more "appeal" than an Acer tab. By appeal I mean resale value of a Galaxy tab is likely higher because of the "Galaxy" name.
As for the software side of things. I have plenty of apps that work great on the tablet. There are some HD versions of apps and the number of tab apps keeps growing. The only issue I have is sometimes trying to find apps for tablets, but the market is slowly getting better at that too.

Regarding apps, you have to consider that android tablets are a year "younger" than ipads. The quantity is not nearly close to the numbers for ipad. The good news is that most of the phone apps will work just fine and with ICS optimizing an app for both small screens and large ones is easier, so ideally developers should make better apps (actually it's easier in HC too, but but there are no HC phones ) . The bad news is that as someone here said android users don't open their wallets as often or as wide as Apple ones, so the development almost always goes with ios in mind and android follows. However this will also change in the future.
I have access to both the A500 and GT 10.1 and samsung beats the iconia only in the battery. The screen is oversaturated (someone may like it that way, I but I hate it), and no USB, they even have the ridiculous apple's connector for charging and connecting to pc.
And one more thing - android developers also have to pay a 25$ one-time fee for registration in the market.
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I sold my ipad 1 so I could buy my iconia tab. There is much more I can do with the iconia
Than a ipad. I guess its the freedom android offers that lured me overfrom apple. I like the
Galaxie tab 10 but there is no usb port so the iconia was my choice. Good luck with the deal
Steve

Wond3r said:
First off, I have an android phone, motorola atria.
I have a 32gb wifi iPad, and a chance to trade it for either an acer a500 or samsung galaxy tab 10.1 4g. It would be a straight trade. Would you do it?
I like the apps for the iPad, and there are great games for it. This is my only major road block right now. Hardware wise, I would trade for either one easily, but it's the software side that's keeping me from the simple trade.
Are there apps for android that are specifically made for tablets like iOS and their "hd" version of apps?
It seems the quality of apps and especially games are better right now for iPad?
Ps. In general I do prefer android, I would never trade my atrix for an iPhone. I'm speaking just tablet wise right now.
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From a hardware perspective, the answer is easy--i.e. Android tablets are better. I have recommended iPads and Android tablets to various people. It really boiled down to what they were wanting/needing. iPad has simplicity because you are prevented from doing pretty much anything to the device. I have folks who prefer that. An Android tablet gives a better desktop/laptop experience because you can customize. Software is a biggie. If you have apps you enjoy on the iPad, you need to investigate if they also exist on the Android or if something comparative exists. You mention enjoying games. You'll really like Gamesoft's games. I also like the emulators for Android, which means I can enjoy playing my old NES/SNES/Genesis/etc. games on my tablet.
The iPad 3 will come out (instead of originally coming out this year, rumour has it Apple extended the date to coincide with the iPad anniversary next year). The iPad 3 will more than likely come with a quad core processor. One of the biggest problems with iPads is the lack of connections, so an Android tablet will win in that test. Being able to upgrade your storage is a pretty huge plus. I know iPad has the iCloud. As I tell folks, that is great if you are in an area where you can actually get to the cloud, otherwise it is a huge fail.
One more comment about apps. Yes, iPad has a larger selection, so again do your homework on those iPad apps you use frequently. Yes, there are apps and games that are released specifically for Android tablets versus phones. I liked Adobe offering their support to Android with their Photoshop app. Not only is it available for Android but Adobe released the software for Android before iPad.
Best of luck. Hope some of this is of use.

Keep the iPad.
I figure anybody who bought one, well, they should just live with it.

Moscow Desire said:
Keep the iPad.
I figure anybody who bought one, well, they should just live with it.
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Giggles ...
i think you should maybe ask your wife or girl friend what to do.. Sheesh cant anyone make a decision on there own...
Honey to i continue to be a slave of the apple.. Or do i get the freedom of Android..
THIS is a No Brain-er Decision ..
Giggles.. FOR REAL do what you feel is right for you
as we do not know your personality what you like dislike is size weight a issue.. Is being Cool in front of your friends a requirement... I say Ditch the IOS. BUT IM Sure you get that from the beginning of my post
Good Luck with what ever you choose to do... but i would not trade even thou retail value is likely higher for the ipad .

erica_renee said:
Giggles ...
i think you should maybe ask your wife or girl friend what to do.. Sheesh cant anyone make a decision on there own...
Honey to i continue to be a slave of the apple.. Or do i get the freedom of Android..
THIS is a No Brain-er Decision ..
Giggles.. FOR REAL do what you feel is right for you
as we do not know your personality what you like dislike is size weight a issue.. Is being Cool in front of your friends a requirement... I say Ditch the IOS. BUT IM Sure you get that from the beginning of my post
Good Luck with what ever you choose to do... but i would not trade even thou retail value is likely higher for the ipad .
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Geeze Erica, I did ask her that. Her response... if I had owned an iPad, she wouldn't have introduced me to her Matrix bedsheets )))) iPad apps lack imagination and usefullness....
Poor iPad owners..((((

That's the thing I don't get. Is anyone planning on installing 140,000 apps on they're tab? Most likely there's going to be something that does the exact same thing, or similar, on android if it has any value. My impression is also that android phone apps run better on tabs than iOS on iPad

Moscow Desire said:
Geeze Erica, I did ask her that. Her response... if I had owned an iPad, she wouldn't have introduced me to her Matrix bedsheets )))) iPad apps lack imagination and usefullness....
Poor iPad owners..((((
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Well you have a keeper then.Is she as hot as she is intelligent.
Oops

I have both an A500 and an iPad 2. They are both great in their own way. Some things to note:
Ability to expand the storage on the A500 is nice
The screen dimensions on the A500 are better for movies
It's fun to customize the A500
I continue to have problems with wifi here and there on the A500
The screen on the iPad is nicer
The iPad software is MUCH 'snappier'. I'm amazed how slow the A500 is when I use it.
The big name apps for the iPad are generally better. The developers just seem to concentrate more on that platform. For example, the Twitter app for the iPad is nicer.
That said, running iPhone apps on the iPad sucks. The 'little app in the center of the screen' thing is awful. Resizing the app is even worse.
They are both good for their own reasons. If it helps, I use my iPad more than my A500.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 equalizes the screens (better screen than the A500 IMO). I would lean that way if the ability to expand storage isn't an issue.

Funny thread, and the OP hasn't returned to the scene of the crime.
IMHO, if you really have to ask the question....then by all means....PLEASE KEEP THE I pad!

kjy2010 said:
Funny thread, and the OP hasn't returned to the scene of the crime.
IMHO, if you really have to ask the question....then by all means....PLEASE KEEP THE I pad!
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I've been reading the responses.
I'm not here to argue.
And by the way, it is an iPad 1.
If I have to ask the question, please keep the iPad? You are making it seem like I dont know about Android.
I've been with Android since the G1. and I've mentioned my phone is a rooted Moto Atix.

Wond3r said:
I've been reading the responses.
I'm not here to argue.
And by the way, it is an iPad 1.
If I have to ask the question, please keep the iPad? You are making it seem like I dont know about Android.
I've been with Android since the G1. and I've mentioned my phone is a rooted Moto Atix.
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Thank you for proving my point, and I stand by my post. If you have to ask the question, you really need to keep it and NOT get the A500.

kjy2010 said:
Thank you for proving my point, and I stand by my post. If you have to ask the question, you really need to keep it and NOT get the A500.
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Thats not really proving any point.
Thanks for your input though.

Wond3r said:
Thats not really proving any point.
Thanks for your input though.
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I hope not all a500 users are immature.
Actually - judging by the rest of the replies, I know not all of them are.
Again, thank you for your input.

Wond3r said:
I hope not all a500 users are immature.
Actually - judging by the rest of the replies, I know not all of them are.
Again, thank you for your input.
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I like the fact I can run my 2.5" HDD on my Iconia A501, Makes watching movies, moving files a whole lot easier than having to connect to a pc, use all the inner storage and not be able to expand... I also have a 32Gb sd card for all the "must have" shows I like to watch.... That gives me 64Gb storage... Include the 1 Tb drive I attach, take that Ipad....
Oh, and the other thing I found, having a friend with an Ipad, he wanted to download a game I showed him on my android device. It actually cost him to buy the app that Android was giving away for free... The fact I can load apps from elsewhere other than downloading off the market is also a big plus (its nice to keep a copy of the apk files elsewhere)... Something else to think about.

ok guys lol dont really want this to become a rant but its pushing itself that way. anyone notice when u try to have a valid debate about features or capabilities with a apple fan boy it always goes like this,
appleboy: yeah but the ipads got things android cant do like .....video editing,
androidboy: the androids actually got that from stock plus a whole load of imaging apps that came with the tab, I dont have to buy extra software.
appleboy: yeah but ours is better! pinch to zoom!!112!! haha
(android waits patiently)
androidboy: thats your arguement? but in fact the android system will run the......appleboy blurts in: NO NO NO IOS IOS IOS NO NO I HAVE EMAIL TOO..funz >)
anyone ever notice how androids will have a calm actual debate, apple's just blurt insane immature crap that shows most of them dont know feck all about using a computer?
tried telling them about open-source......between the two of them they somehow worked out that the IPAD was the more advanced device then the a500., from these "reasons"
in the youtube app you can move your finger to change volume......really?!
apparently some ipad users think the fact its harder to fully unlock a ipad for development, so that must mean its a more advanced device.....?
you can use a usb cable to add accessories....
tried showing em i have a usb port no need to carry a cable, and i can use most windows accessories keyboard,mice,external hard-drive,etc etc but nope apparently adding 1 usb keyboard....is somehow better then adding a keyboard as well as mouse, exterhd,dvd-drive. etc etc....????
i tried telling them about the specs side by side, and how my android mobile "phone" not even my best device (the tab is)
1.has more processing power then the ipad,.
2.better camera front and back
3.other features are basically matching (gps bluetooth wifi,....etc)
4. more configurable
5. same ram
but mine was half the price of your tab and phone..
they just dont get it, im saying to him look mate if you went to pc world and had
1 computer that was complete rubbish low speed, low ram,. windows 95
costs £20000^^
1 computer that has 3ghz high speed quad-core , 4gb ram, windows 7, dvd drive, usb ports, bigger screen, fully outwards compatible "usb play n go keyboard mice, bluetooth, gps etc"
costs £750^^
what would you buy? lol its not a hard one is it, im trying to show, look ios could have been THE best pads and phones,,,,if apple didnt own them and you got the full bang in your buck, i mean if they had ipad with the spec's of an android with the price tag of an android and open source,. android probably would even have gotten as far as it has today but that's good old apple business techniques for ya eh?
to be honest what im trying to say is you can tell a hundred things that are very worth having to a apple fanboy and they will say the ipads better because,
A. YA ITZ GoT LiKe slide volume oN yuTUbe....SO dARRR iPaDZ bEtteR !
b. tHErs Must HAve APPPPP for ThAt And iTSR bETTer Dan URS even THou I neSER SEEN, heard, Or UUsed SuCH app. IOS IS KEWlz
can anyone actually tell me an advantage the ios has? like what things can it actually do we cant?

in fear of this becoming a hate thread im basically asking for the things that the ios does that android cannot.

chismay said:
in fear of this becoming a hate thread im basically asking for the things that the ios does that android cannot.
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*crickets* *crickets*

gears177 said:
*crickets* *crickets*
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yeah i think this is the confirmation i was after, this post had nearly 120 views in the first half hour. no can tell me something an apple can do that android cant,.
in the words of my main bitc* hatty-may pierce......baby the truth shall set you free.

Get more game developer support due to its much lower rate of app piracy.
Consistency in its UI across all its devices.
Consistency in its hardware making development somewhat easier in that the developers know exactly which devices will be supported and how well it will run -- see: the post in general of a guy complaining developers have seemingly abandoned tegra 2.
Not risking an app in the appstore spamming your notifications or doing other insanely annoying things.
A jailbreak and theming community that, while does allow piracy, also supports independent developers, fiscally, through official cydia repos.
Get the stupid "with friends" games long before Android does. How am I supposed to play matching with friends with my android friends!?!?
Have upteen thousand third party home appliances that support (the soon old) iOS docking port. My SONY surround sound system came with an iPhone dock, as did my Murano.
OS updates that rarely cause fragmentation. I don't know of any apps that will only run on IOS 5 and not 4, and after a upgrade, it's extremely rare to find an app that won't work on the new iOS natively. I've only ever run into it once, and that was with a very niche sound based game.
There. I've played devil's advocate for you. And done so from my CM10 Android tablet. And, of course, none of those were intended to spark an argument. I'm just articulating things that are more intelligent, I hope, rebuttals to your topic. Granted, there are many loaded adjectives in my statements, and things like "rarely" and "upteen thousand" are highly subjective.

Anthony820 said:
Get more game developer support due to its much lower rate of app piracy.
Consistency in its UI across all its devices.
Consistency in its hardware making development somewhat easier in that the developers know exactly which devices will be supported and how well it will run -- see: the post in general of a guy complaining developers have seemingly abandoned tegra 2.
Not risking an app in the appstore spamming your notifications or doing other insanely annoying things.
A jailbreak and theming community that, while does allow piracy, also supports independent developers, fiscally, through official cydia repos.
Get the stupid "with friends" games long before Android does. How am I supposed to play matching with friends with my android friends!?!?
Have upteen thousand third party home appliances that support (the soon old) iOS docking port. My SONY surround sound system came with an iPhone dock, as did my Murano.
OS updates that rarely cause fragmentation. I don't know of any apps that will only run on IOS 5 and not 4, and after a upgrade, it's extremely rare to find an app that won't work on the new iOS natively. I've only ever run into it once, and that was with a very niche sound based game.
There. I've played devil's advocate for you. And done so from my CM10 Android tablet. And, of course, none of those were intended to spark an argument. I'm just articulating things that are more intelligent, I hope, rebuttals to your topic. Granted, there are many loaded adjectives in my statements, and things like "rarely" and "upteen thousand" are highly subjective.
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nah thats all fair and well but open to debate it must be
i have no idea what "with friends" games are?
be honest though how many of those above really are good points?
updates that dont really improve your system, hardware that's cost is doubled.? and ol' fact of no singularity?
i-tunes? can you add a single track now? are do you still need to re-upload a whole playlist? i still cannot get me head around the fact you cant just download an mp3 and set it as a ringtone on the i-phone,.lol

chismay said:
nah thats all fair and well but open to debate it must be
i have no idea what "with friends" games are?
be honest though how many of those above really are good points?
updates that dont really improve your system, hardware that's cost is doubled.? and ol' fact of no singularity?
i-tunes? can you ass a single track ? are do you still need to re-upload a whole playlist? i still cannot get me head around the fact you can't just download an mp3 and set it as a ringtone on the i-phone,.lol
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i guess when it comes down t it there's pros and cons for both i mean for apple every device under 4.3.5 ios allows an exploit known as ssl MITM attack...plus the QuickTime pop ups that happen when an app wants to use gps and will crash the app most the time if you hit no are kind of annoying (not sure if that one is still there) But even the rooting/jail breaking part of it when an android user gains root he can flash new roms kernels gain su in terminal etc not really having to worry about malware apple on the other hand has a higher rate of malware on jailbrocken ipods.. last thing I'm going to say about apple is that there jail breaking methods exploit security holes that may also bee exploited for darker reasons, there was an example in the iphone pdf parser which allowed a document to execute code....
For android there are way higher rates of piracy unfortuently there's alot of cheapy tablets with almost no support the different kinds an sizes create huge compatabillity issues the OTA updates aren't always reliable or even where you live.....i guess that's all i have they both have pros and cons I'm just an android fanboy and can't stand apple products :laugh:
cheers i hope this doesn't cause arguments just wanted to add some more info and try not to play favorites while debating

gears177 said:
i guess when it comes down t it there's pros and cons for both i mean for apple every device under 4.3.5 ios allows an exploit known as ssl MITM attack...plus the QuickTime pop ups that happen when an app wants to use gps and will crash the app most the time if you hit no are kind of annoying (not sure if that one is still there) But even the rooting/jail breaking part of it when an android user gains root he can flash new roms kernels gain su in terminal etc not really having to worry about malware apple on the other hand has a higher rate of malware on jailbrocken ipods.. last thing I'm going to say about apple is that there jail breaking methods exploit security holes that may also bee exploited for darker reasons, there was an example in the iphone pdf parser which allowed a document to execute code....
For android there are way higher rates of piracy unfortuently there's alot of cheapy tablets with almost no support the different kinds an sizes create huge compatabillity issues the OTA updates aren't always reliable or even where you live.....i guess that's all i have they both have pros and cons I'm just an android fanboy and can't stand apple products :laugh:
cheers i hope this doesn't cause arguments just wanted to add some more info and try not to play favorites while debating
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in no way causing arguments matey, im trying to approach the question without prejudiced, i am at heart an android, ive had an apple i had one of the gen1 i-phones, and the thing never stopped frezzing and rebooting, never had a signal, etc.
i know android can run terribly if not implemented properly by the developer, force closes wifi problems gps problems, but this is the USUAL cost when using a customization based open source system, when applied to that much diversity you would have to be stupid to think you wont run into errors. <--not directed at anyone, just generally.
example i have to calculators
one adds 2 numbers thats it,
the second has wifi, a 3ghz proc' 1 gb ram, hd video playback a camera and bluetooth and a projector on the back the maker also says you can make any application you want for YOUR device, its open for you to change what you want for how you like........im expecting some errors here n there. lol
the thing is if thats the view of point you arrive from decides if everyone having the same devices is either a good thing or a bad thing.......or should we say BAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAD thing lol
lets continue,
edit: wow this thread got 150 views over night? please guys participate but this is not a thread for ranting more of actually facing facts from both sides and submitting your input to what makes which os more functional / better performing etc etc and what features are more for you.

I think you are generalizing when it comes to this. I've met the worst fan boys when it comes to both android and apple. I actually recall this dude I knew jumping for joy when he found out Steve Jobs died...
Anyway I've used both, I used an iphone4 for about a year before switching back to android.
I feel that ios was way smoother (although now I'm using a galaxy s3, I can say android is on par with it) I miss the variety of apps that ios had to offer and android fan boys try to shoot back by saying android has more free apps but honestly, I'm willing to pay for apps if they're of quality.
I felt the music player was a tad bit better.. I've downloaded a game and for some reason all the audio files showed up on my music player on my DROID Pro(maybe it was something I did wrong?)
I actually felt like I got the most out of my iphone once I jail broke it. It was the little tweaks that I was able to do that really made the experience with ios a whole lot better. The sad thing about this though is that I had to jail break it just to have some features that were standard on Android.
But at the end of the day, like I said, it's the apps.. I use my phone for calls, text, music, and Internet. Basic features all smartphones include.. It's the apps, the games, utilities, the variety that ios offers in apps that I miss.
One more thing, I never understood why people hate apple products. They make solid products.. I guess people just need to pick a side.. You got Ford vs Chevy, imports vs domestics, windows vs mac os, android vs apple, ipod vs zune(lol) etc etc
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chismay said:
yeah i think this is the confirmation i was after, this post had nearly 120 views in the first half hour. no can tell me something an apple can do that android cant,.
in the words of my main bitc* hatty-may pierce......baby the truth shall set you free.
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An Apple device, can make your wallet thinner :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Moscow Desire said:
An Apple device, can make your wallet thinner :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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haha yes i forget about this one XD tho cost is to high for what there asking for

Did any of you guys read this interview with Steve Wozniak?
Sorry, I can't post the link to the full interview (long time lurker, first time poster). Just google for 'Woz on Android'.
Basically he loves the iPhone for the design and loves Android for what it can do!
Below is an excerpt of that interview. For me that says it all!
But Woz says he still recommends the iPhone as the best choice for most users. “The people I recommend the iPhone 4S for are the ones who are already in the Mac world, because it’s so compatible, and people who are just scared of computers altogether and don’t want to use them. The iPhone is the least frightening thing. For that kind of person who is scared of complexity, well, here’s a phone that is simple to use and does what you need it to do,” he says.
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MO3iusONE said:
I think you are generalizing when it comes to this. I've met the worst fan boys when it comes to both android and apple. I actually recall this dude I knew jumping for joy when he found out Steve Jobs died...
Anyway I've used both, I used an iphone4 for about a year before switching back to android.
I feel that ios was way smoother (although now I'm using a galaxy s3, I can say android is on par with it) I miss the variety of apps that ios had to offer and android fan boys try to shoot back by saying android has more free apps but honestly, I'm willing to pay for apps if they're of quality.
I felt the music player was a tad bit better.. I've downloaded a game and for some reason all the audio files showed up on my music player on my DROID Pro(maybe it was something I did wrong?)
I actually felt like I got the most out of my iphone once I jail broke it. It was the little tweaks that I was able to do that really made the experience with ios a whole lot better. The sad thing about this though is that I had to jail break it just to have some features that were standard on Android.
But at the end of the day, like I said, it's the apps.. I use my phone for calls, text, music, and Internet. Basic features all smartphones include.. It's the apps, the games, utilities, the variety that ios offers in apps that I miss.
One more thing, I never understood why people hate apple products. They make solid products.. I guess people just need to pick a side.. You got Ford vs Chevy, imports vs domestics, windows vs mac os, android vs apple, ipod vs zune(lol) etc etc
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those point are valid, i dont mind paying for an app as long as it works. but ive noticed a large amount of apps for ios that dont actually do as described. like telling you one thing and you get something else.
about apple and solid product, no, this is the thing most people will confuse about me personally ,.....the ipad and phone COULD have been the greatest device ever,,,,,if:
A.you actually got a product on par with the price your paying
B. You bought it, you own it, you do what u want with it. not apples way
C. You wasnt forced to use the brands own very poor software to upload even a simple ringtone, i seriously dont get that....,,, oh wait i do you have to pay....not just for music but pay apple to get that music,. since when was apple my personal certified music agent?....self injected by apple very sneaky
D. apple products have had many of they're fair share of design flaws, these have just been swept under the carpet though. what about the massive i-4..."yeah the 4rth version" design flaw when you had to stick a rubber bumper on the side to get reception, and yeah you had to buy that rubber bumper ,,,, even though its apple fault.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop-to-0-when-held-left-handed/
NOW im not saying thats not a story for the android phones too but heres a small snippet about the htc one wifi problem and how htc went about fixing it for theyre valuable customers:
In addition, HTC is also urging affected users to their call customer support to see if their phone is one of the affected models. If HTC confirms that a user has a phone with the identified hardware flaw, they will issue a replacement device. <---- see the big differences?
other brands : buy a bad product from us we will fix or replace it at no cost you bought the device it should work....srry about that
apple: you bought it from us , its doesnt work.......so pay more money just get what you should already and have payed for,.
these are the things people hate about apple,
apple reminds me of that AOL Representative that wouldnt let that guy cancel his account.,... "well sir I THINK you need your account so im not goin to cancel it..........against your will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_knvtpENoQ

the one thing that I've come across are all of the software companies in the music industry absolutely LOVE the ipad (as does every musician, producer, etc. LOVE and ADORE their iphone). When i show up to gigs, rehearsals, etc... i get tons of glances and weird faces at my android. most people have no idea that it's faster and more capable.. yada yada yada. (phone is a GNex running jb)
But, whether it be large VST firms like Spectrasonics, Native Instruments, Arturia, etc. etc, or even hints from the bigger guys like ableton, protools (avid), and logic, all have ipad apps to make the ipad "the next instrument". you see all the time on youtube videos of 'ipad bands' and all that crap. it's really stupid! lol.
There are things like actual synths on ios (arturia) to realtime hardware synth integration to add extras (like oscilators, filters, etc) to even Moog synths! (which is totally awesome!). There are software synth helpers and controllers too, whether they be third party or directly from the manufacturer (like Spectrasonic's Orb).
This is very frustrating though, with android there's almost nothing out there. the best i have so far is a few midi controller apps (like touch osc, that originated on ios) and jordan rudess' MorphWizz (which he apparently uses live, but it feels like a toy).
I'm annoyed that 1. the music world is going to this, making everything feel chincy and kinda cheep (adding to the 'there's an app for that!' ;-s), but 2. that there's NOTHING for Android!
If I'm wrong, and there's stuff out there... PLEASE let me know. I'm using touch osc live on my a500 to control ableton, but i would love more apps for it!
oh yeah, one more thing. i also have a macbook pro (17 inch mother of a screen). i purchased it because of this problem. yes there are many production and synth programs on windows... but, NO, they hardly ever work well and i found that stability was 50/50 live. Had to go apple. To be honest, was hesitant, but i've enjoyed it. And apple fan boys, it's not perfect, it's not God, and it does crash.... albeit not as much as my Dell lol.
great community for the good 'ol a500!

LMFAO talk about ios and theyre GREAT APPS?
how about this a $1000 app that does nothing but shows a picture of a gem and a sentance
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I-APPS MY ASS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os2axzJHbzA&feature=related

kylereid said:
the one thing that I've come across are all of the software companies in the music industry absolutely LOVE the ipad (as does every musician, producer, etc. LOVE and ADORE their iphone). When i show up to gigs, rehearsals, etc... i get tons of glances and weird faces at my android. most people have no idea that it's faster and more capable.. yada yada yada. (phone is a GNex running jb)
But, whether it be large VST firms like Spectrasonics, Native Instruments, Arturia, etc. etc, or even hints from the bigger guys like ableton, protools (avid), and logic, all have ipad apps to make the ipad "the next instrument". you see all the time on youtube videos of 'ipad bands' and all that crap. it's really stupid! lol.
There are things like actual synths on ios (arturia) to realtime hardware synth integration to add extras (like oscilators, filters, etc) to even Moog synths! (which is totally awesome!). There are software synth helpers and controllers too, whether they be third party or directly from the manufacturer (like Spectrasonic's Orb).
This is very frustrating though, with android there's almost nothing out there. the best i have so far is a few midi controller apps (like touch osc, that originated on ios) and jordan rudess' MorphWizz (which he apparently uses live, but it feels like a toy).
I'm annoyed that 1. the music world is going to this, making everything feel chincy and kinda cheep (adding to the 'there's an app for that!' ;-s), but 2. that there's NOTHING for Android!
If I'm wrong, and there's stuff out there... PLEASE let me know. I'm using touch osc live on my a500 to control ableton, but i would love more apps for it!
oh yeah, one more thing. i also have a macbook pro (17 inch mother of a screen). i purchased it because of this problem. yes there are many production and synth programs on windows... but, NO, they hardly ever work well and i found that stability was 50/50 live. Had to go apple. To be honest, was hesitant, but i've enjoyed it. And apple fan boys, it's not perfect, it's not God, and it does crash.... albeit not as much as my Dell lol.
great community for the good 'ol a500!
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thats great info i myself as a "not even semi-pro" music dj'er i have used abletone, native, etc an yeah i did find that more was supported by ios,
But is that the O/S's fault or the developers?

chismay said:
LMFAO talk about ios and theyre GREAT APPS?
how about this a $1000 app that does nothing but shows a picture of a gem and a sentance
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I-APPS MY ASS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os2axzJHbzA&feature=related
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Really? Your gonna bring up an app that was released four years ago and that was pulled Immediately by Apple? Your a funny guy. You know it's bad when it's recommend to install some kind of anti virus software for your phone. I don't want to start arguing but the proof is in the pudding, ios has more apps, a wider selection and overall better apps, even if you have to pay for them.
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chismay said:
those point are valid, i dont mind paying for an app as long as it works. but ive noticed a large amount of apps for ios that dont actually do as described. like telling you one thing and you get something else.
about apple and solid product, no, this is the thing most people will confuse about me personally ,.....the ipad and phone COULD have been the greatest device ever,,,,,if:
A.you actually got a product on par with the price your paying
B. You bought it, you own it, you do what u want with it. not apples way
C. You wasnt forced to use the brands own very poor software to upload even a simple ringtone, i seriously dont get that....,,, oh wait i do you have to pay....not just for music but pay apple to get that music,. since when was apple my personal certified music agent?....self injected by apple very sneaky
D. apple products have had many of they're fair share of design flaws, these have just been swept under the carpet though. what about the massive i-4..."yeah the 4rth version" design flaw when you had to stick a rubber bumper on the side to get reception, and yeah you had to buy that rubber bumper ,,,, even though its apple fault.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop-to-0-when-held-left-handed/
NOW im not saying thats not a story for the android phones too but heres a small snippet about the htc one wifi problem and how htc went about fixing it for theyre valuable customers:
In addition, HTC is also urging affected users to their call customer support to see if their phone is one of the affected models. If HTC confirms that a user has a phone with the identified hardware flaw, they will issue a replacement device. <---- see the big differences?
other brands : buy a bad product from us we will fix or replace it at no cost you bought the device it should work....srry about that
apple: you bought it from us , its doesnt work.......so pay more money just get what you should already and have payed for,.
these are the things people hate about apple,
apple reminds me of that AOL Representative that wouldnt let that guy cancel his account.,... "well sir I THINK you need your account so im not goin to cancel it..........against your will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_knvtpENoQ
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I agree with the whole ring tone, buying a song off itunes is one thing but not being able to set it as a ring tone is just plain obsurd.. Who knows maybe they'll offer it as a feature in one of their updates ha ha ha ha.. I also don't like how finicky the iphone is when it comes to trying to play videos on it... With my galaxy s3 I just drag and drop and it plays pretty much any video format I have.
I thought both the iphone and ipad were priced decently. My galaxy s3 cost just as much as an iphone4.. I mean how much was a motorola xoom when it came out? Roughly the same amount as an ipad think.
I'm really not trying to argue, we can go back and forth all day, iphone had reception issues, a few of the nexus line of phones has screen issues, it happens.. Although people seem to be a bit more harsh when it's apple.. I remember I had an HTC evo, phone worked fine but the software had a bug.. there was a known android bug where I would click on a text but it would send me to a different contact, me unknowingly would shoot out the text and by the time I realized someone else had gotten the text... It was too late.. I had a lot of embarrassing moments because of this. I know apple had that one clock bug where it didn't update to daylights savings time... Everybody has problems..no company's is perfect... I don't know what I'm getting with this really, I'm a neutral guy. I use both os's, they both have their pros and cons... That's all I gotta say.
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chismay said:
thats great info i myself as a "not even semi-pro" music dj'er i have used abletone, native, etc an yeah i did find that more was supported by ios,
But is that the O/S's fault or the developers?
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agreed, but as we've seen with Flipboard and every other popular ios app, is android support THAT much different? lol

Moscow Desire said:
An Apple device, can make your wallet thinner :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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And there's an APP for that too!

kylereid said:
agreed, but as we've seen with Flipboard and every other popular ios app, is android support THAT much different? lol
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i read somewhere that the reason why iOS had such great dj'ing and music apps is sound processing. nobody can deny ipods have the greatest sound, better than any portable music player. apple took that and added it to the pads and phones. dunno if it's a software or hardware thing, but it's there. with jellybean now out i thought that might change a bit but i have not seen anything about it yet.
btw some Apple fanboys that i know are actually happy that Google fixed the fragmentation and wrote the gpu code from scratch. as another user said in earlier post, the OSes are paired in performance now.
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