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Crossed over to the dark side

Found a 16GB wifi ipad on cl today for 250 bucks. I said screw it and tried it. I love android. I'm a fanboy through and through, but dammit if this ipad just doesn't do everything smooth as butter. Really puts my tab to shame. I fear for Android in the tablet market....I don't think it can compete.

So your selling your tab?
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Funny how i am experiencing a direct opposite situation. Had an ipad, got a good deal for the tab, and now loving the tab to bits even if its still a work in progress.

What customizations and tweaking have you done,
oh wait...
and if you are selling your tab id be happy to buy it, i could carry one in each pocket, can you? trolloolololol

natious said:
What customizations and tweaking have you done,
oh wait...
and if you are selling your tab id be happy to buy it, i could carry one in each pocket, can you? trolloolololol
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Jail breaking is pretty much the same as rooting. What a null argument.

You realise that posting this here is just asking for trolls, right? And the iPad does not do everything smoother (yes, I know this to be true, I own an iPad too).
Anyhoo, Android 2.2/2.3 can't compete on 10.1" tablets, but Android 3 most certainly can.

What the iPad does, it does very well indeed. However, what it doesn't do is fit in a jacket pocket, which makes my Tab a superior device for *my* purposes.
I shouldn't worry too much about Android tablets though - if you really want to compare, we should probably wait for the Tab 10.1 or 8.9 running Honeycomb and then see, because IMO the Tab 7 is a different class of device to the iPad.
FWIW, if someone offered me an iPad for $250, I'd almost certainly have bought it too - for my wife!
Regards,
Dave

lockheedload said:
Jail breaking is pretty much the same as rooting. What a null argument.
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Jailbreaking, lol.
It doesn't even compare, all the things you can do on a jailbroken iDevice you can do on a non rooted Droid.
swyped from a galaxy far far away...

natious said:
Jailbreaking, lol.
It doesn't even compare, all the things you can do on a jailbroken iDevice you can do on a non rooted Droid.
swyped from a galaxy far far away...
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Could say the same about the other way around you know. For example try to use the proxy settings, or the vpn one. Gingerbread and honeycomb i dunno, but donut to froyo can't handle those properly... iOS did it for years.
In the end it's all about what you need: fast and reliable? iOS. Customization/choice? Android. Also an iOS device will become obsolete in a lot more time than an Android one, my iPhone3g will be obsolete when iOS 4.3 will be released. Any Android will be obsolete in a few months and have to rely on the community to keep on getting updates, for sure you aren't going to see updates after 2 newer models are released and a third one is shaping at the horizon.
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natious said:
Jailbreaking, lol.
It doesn't even compare, all the things you can do on a jailbroken iDevice you can do on a non rooted Droid.
swyped from a galaxy far far away...
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No, you can't. I'm not even going to argue with you on the numerous scenarios either. You've shown your cards already....

thats a good deal, i had a 16gb and 64gb wifi and sold both them.. looking to get the ipad 2 now. still keeping my galaxy tab because >> ipad 1 and 2 lol

Is just a mather of tast...
I like homemade soup, my kids out of bag...
(they sell soup here in bags btw)
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u can buy soup in a bag?

I had an ipad as well. I really liked it till I got a tab. It's a matter of size, customization and functionality to me. I like the ability to customize my technology (whatever it is) to work the way I do. The ipads interface and apps just didn't allow me to work the way I want.
In the end, I gave it to my daughter. She loves it to death. I attribute this to the fact that she doesn't do a whole lot of thinking.
The ipad is pretty much a perfect facebook companion.
EDIT: I just talked to my daughter, and she's back to her (windows 7) laptop for facebook. Something about the ipad not being able to do anything with pictures from her camera. She asked me if the tab had a card slot and I told her it did. She then asked if she could trade the ipad for my tab. I laughed. So, I'm getting the ipad back, tossing it on fleabay, and getting another tab.
No sd or microsd on the ipad? I didn't even notice that, as I only used it for a few days before I gave it to her. I just looked, and there's none on the ipad 2 either? Lol. In the ipad 3 or 4, maybe steve jobs can get one of his cronies to add a microsd socket, and he can charge for every file that gets transferred from or to it. lol.
My kids are all very, very tech savvy. It says a lot to me that they don't want an ipad even when it's *given* to them.

he is right Ipad is nicer piece of hardware...but that it.
he is right Ipad is nicer piece of hardware...but that it.
my son(macbook/ipad/iphone3gs) and daughter (macbook/ipod)are mac kids.
The devices are beutifull and well made...and run like butta!
My problem is with apple and the hold they have on the software.
Flash is a must (now not in 5years) and I love the fact that developers give you otions on what you want to run on a device you paid for - With android.
itunes is cool but you are stuck with the ios device...even after you spend all the cash for movies and music...only ios can play!
Hell no... I am an american and freedom is the american way.
Death to S. Jobs. (maybe not death...at least a sprained ankle.)
ANDROID FO LIFE!

DudeInMyrtleBeach said:
I had an ipad as well. I really liked it till I got a tab. It's a matter of size, customization and functionality to me. I like the ability to customize my technology (whatever it is) to work the way I do. The ipads interface and apps just didn't allow me to work the way I want.
In the end, I gave it to my daughter. She loves it to death. I attribute this to the fact that she doesn't do a whole lot of thinking.
The ipad is pretty much a perfect facebook companion.
EDIT: I just talked to my daughter, and she's back to her (windows 7) laptop for facebook. Something about the ipad not being able to do anything with pictures from her camera. She asked me if the tab had a card slot and I told her it did. She then asked if she could trade the ipad for my tab. I laughed. So, I'm getting the ipad back, tossing it on fleabay, and getting another tab.
No sd or microsd on the ipad? I didn't even notice that, as I only used it for a few days before I gave it to her. I just looked, and there's none on the ipad 2 either? Lol. In the ipad 3 or 4, maybe steve jobs can get one of his cronies to add a microsd socket, and he can charge for every file that gets transferred from or to it. lol.
My kids are all very, very tech savvy. It says a lot to me that they don't want an ipad even when it's *given* to them.
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ipad 2 has the .03 megapixel camera, tell her she doesnt need her camera any more hahahahahahah

I'm also going to share my thoughts.
I actually have a Nook Color - But it's comparable to the tab (dont decapitate me.. ).
I like iOs, because it's simple and always works. I still have to reinstall it every 6 months, because I somehow always manage to junk it so full, that it actually doesn't work anymore. (jailbreak etc.).
What I don't like about iOs, that you have to jailbreak it so you can customize it, but you can't customize a lot and what I'm also missing are basic widgets.
What i like about Apple products is that they are very well designed, also robust and nice looking (always). My Ipod3G fell down about 30-50 times, and nothing broke (i also have a case).
What I like most about Apple products has actually nothing to do with the device itself:
With apple products one always gets a huge community support, enabling the jailbreak, and making great cydia apps that allow you to make your device finally yours.
and second off course the apps, iOs has got really great apps, and all of them are functioning. Steve Jobs proudly said that there are 65.000 apps for the ipad.
I changed over to android, because it fed me up to not being able to update, because otherwise I would lose the Jailbreak, and an iOS-device without jailbreak is like a headphone without cable^^(in****s XD).
What I see as a problem for any android tablet is simply that there are hardly any tablet apps, for an ipad you get music production software and all sorts of fun apps, and for the tab you cant even get a nice mail app in the market ( i use Mail'd though).
I just didnt buy the ipad, because it's to expensiv, too big and I was actually looking for an ereader. But the sad thing is that I haven't found any better use for it, than it being an ereader. With the tab off course you get 3g and a camera and stuff like that, but I really miss tablet optimized apps.
I hope that honeycomb will start to get the developers to make some slick apps, but I dought that there will be a big variety.
By the way, there's that sdcardreader adapter for the ipad, allows you to import fotos to your ipad, the usbrcameradongle, allows you to connect your camera. With a jailbreak you can also mount Usb sticks and Harddrives if they are powered, so if they need extra power, a extra Usb cable you have to provide that otherwise it wont work.

I will never buy an apple product again. I got so irked at them when they purposely released an iOS that made my iPhone completely nonfunctional. Wanna read the news? There's an app for that! *waits 3 minutes to load* *click on article.....crashed to homescreen...* FFFUUUUUUUUUUU
I mean ffs the new iOS made my phone so bad that I couldn't answer calls. The iPhone wasn't even functional as a PHONE.
That and I got sick and tired of having to backup my stupid phone just to add one song.
Don't get me wrong, I know that as the OS advances, it requires more resources but they could have at least gave us a few options to disable the fancy 3d effects and stuff. I'm still stuck on my iphones contract but I got so frustrated that I just got a tab and downgraded the iPhone plan to a dumbphone plan.

I am not an Apple basher as I have been a Mac owner. I had an iPad for 3 weeks and sent it back. It does some things very well and I do feel that it is a little more mature. But I sent it back because it is a big iPod (no flames please), not a real computing device. There are several things that make this or any future version of iPad a non-starter for me.
IOS lacks a true visible file system. The application owns the data and unless an application is written to be aware of other apps, the files are unavailable to other apps, even if they know how to read the file format. Also, deleting the app deletes the data. Sorry, but that is an accident waiting to happen. Unacceptable. Add the absolute control that Apple maintains and I am done. Plus, throw in the size and weight (it is HEAVY).
The Galaxy Tab is a dream come true. Size, weight, performance are perfect. When you can fold the iPad and put it in a coat pocket I will look twice and then probably pass. I might take a picture of it with my Galaxy Tab.

watching apple vs android is almost similar like watching republic vs democrat no offense intended
i never own any apple products though, but i've seen some from my friends
nice hardware, yes, but thats it
the gui is so blah made me not interested in iOS at all
and what makes me hate iOS more is the cockyness of their ifan
I once told my friend that i want to buy htc smartphone when he squirk and laugh at me and said "Dude, you have the money, why would you buy an "HTC" phone when you can get all the prestige using "iPhone"?"
that alone makes me skyrocketing into apple hater
I better spend my money on a device that gave me feature and freedom instead of being a dog and woof to every little thing Steve Jobs point at
and that video from conan about Ipad 2 was blast ^^
but still, a person's choice is very well their own rights, and we have to respect that
fare thee well my bro, who crossed over to the dark side
wish you all the best

1 tablet - to rule them all?? Where is it?

So I'm trying to find a new tab. One that stands above the rest! This is turning out to be a real battle!! So what do I "settle" for?
Galaxy Tab 10.1 - Sexy and Thin; but no ports, so limited in actual practicality. And Honeycomb is skinned (skin = gross).
Transformer - Seems to be the leader, but no USB port on the tab! Whaa? ya! Why remove functionality to force a purchase of an additional kb???
Xoom - had it, returned it, needs better screen and to be lighter.
iPad2 - ummm, no thank you.
Acer Iconia - feels/looks cheap and is skinned! (skin = gross).
Sooo... wth? Where do I go from here? I have 800 bucks burning a hold in my pocket from returning the Xoom and accessories. Do I "really" have to wait until the fall or even Xmas to see anything that has both sex appeal AND a complete list of ports and functionality?
Did I miss a tab in the shuffle? Is there actually one that has the 3 ports I want (USB, HDMI, SD) + isn't brick heavy? And of course gimme a vanilla version of Honeycomb 3.1 without trashing it with a skin!!
Signed, frustrated (w/money)

Did you try the Playbook? And what's wrong with galaxy tab (any size) its awesome?!

Why can we just accept the fact that companies will not build an all in one tablet with everything we want hahaha be happy with tab,xoom ipad or acer etc if u want buy them all

I don't have a Blackberry, so for me the Playbook would be pointless, and it's not "my" target size.
Yes, the GT "would" be awsome if Samsung left the OS alone, and possibly tried to improve on the iPad2 form factor, instead of match it.... and add on some practical ports! I realize that it was likely to keep it thin and light, but there must be an alternative, it just sucks I have to wait for it.
@vetchen - why do I have to accept that I need to buy 3 different tabs to be able to get all the functionality? Obviously it's possible to the put all the same functionality into 1 tab. It just amazes me that it hasn't been done yet!
I can guarantee you that all 4 of the non-Apple companies above KNOW what consumers want! Why can't they just create it already! Transformer came SO close! But wanted that extra $150, so removed the most functional port on their tab!
Thanks for the words boyz, and hear you - but just don't like to "settle", at this price point... and am an insanely impatient person!

Most all the time the manufacturers will release what they think is saleable to the most people at a price point that allow the best possible margin rather than to make what is possible with the best possible tech because maybe to expensive, to heavy, big, too niche or whatever...
What consumers want is dictated by marketing more than you think, someone make a good advert telling you that you need a touch device without copy and paste because its MAGIC and you get a load of zombies waiting for two weeks at your shop door.
At the end of the day its like purchasing a house
Bill Gates can afford to buy a bespoke tablet/house made to his specs if he want
Most people buy what is available and compromise
some handy people buy houses/devices looking at its possibilities and develop repair it themselves to achieve what they want from it
Is it not the reason why we are here in the first place? to get from a device more to our taste than what the manufacturer intended in the first place?
regards
p

Let me see what you want:
1. Sexy and Thin
2. With lots of ports
3. Doesn't feel cheap
4. Doesn't use a skin
5. Great touchscreen
Am I right?
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Mick Jagger would say : you can't always get what you want.
Seriously, the galaxy tab 10.1 looks good but you'll have to wait. And about the touchwiz ui, we'll eventualy have a vanilla honeycomb like the google io special edition, thanks to the devs of xda.
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It depeands for what you are going to use it. I am not playing games on tab (except chess with friends), mostly surfing web, email and reading books and pdfs, so galaxy tab is perfect for me couse of its size and its light.
If you want it for HD games, than it looks like tegra2 is must now. If you need all ports, then transformer with kb looks like a great choice for you.
If you don't want to buy kb, then you could wait for toshiba tablet, it has all ports that you want.

obviously I "am" asking too much!
Sounds about right!
pendevous said:
Let me see what you want:
1. Sexy and Thin
2. With lots of ports
3. Doesn't feel cheap
4. Doesn't use a skin
5. Great touchscreen
Am I right?
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@PBL: If what your saying is true, different manufacturers "research" into target markets (of course!) can't be that skewed from one company to the next. I'm sure there are lots of variables at play, so most of this is all devil's advocate - I get that!
But I'm sure that Samsung knows that most users want ports (however "mini" they have to make 'em), that's why they put them in their latest and greatest phones, and 7" tab! Making a device scaleable is a no brainer, and lets not pretend Samsung was naive of that fact when they built the Galaxy 10.1. But yes, forgive me if I want my Galaxy un-skinned and to squeeze some micro-ports in there
"Saleable" as you say, especially considering all these devices are at the same price point, "I" (as a manufacturer) would want "all" of the options on my iDevice that I'm realeasing, because regardless what folks are doing with it. MOST (from my company's targeted research) would want to plug a thumb drive in there, and most want great graphics.... unless I'm just totally clueless! (that was rhetorical).
I don't have to be a developer to want a USB port, and I don't have to be a gamer to want beautiful graphics and no skin! Not to mention I "am" the average Joe user! And considering how "open" and customizable all of this is foundationed on, I should have the option of removing or "uninstalling" my skin.
Considering JK Shin (prez Samsung Mobile) says that they made the Galaxy 10.1 to be used for every "kind" of user, I am just disapointed that it wasn't designed for me!
Most all the time the manufacturers will release what they think is saleable to the most people at a price point that allow the best possible margin rather than to make what is possible with the best possible tech because maybe to expensive, to heavy, big, too niche or whatever...
What consumers want is dictated by marketing more than you think, someone make a good advert telling you that you need a touch device without copy and paste because its MAGIC and you get a load of zombies waiting for two weeks at your shop door.
At the end of the day its like purchasing a house
Bill Gates can afford to buy a bespoke tablet/house made to his specs if he want
Most people buy what is available and compromise
some handy people buy houses/devices looking at its possibilities and develop repair it themselves to achieve what they want from it
Is it not the reason why we are here in the first place? to get from a device more to our taste than what the manufacturer intended in the first place?
regards
p
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1 tablet to rule them all?? Where is it?
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The answer to this question is:
"In my mind and in your mind"
Such a tablet does not exist in reality at this moment.
You will have to let that $800 burn in your pocket for many more months to come.
While you are waiting, I will be playing with my 3G T-mobile Galaxy Tab, my 3G Xoom, my ipad, and my 64 GB Playbook.
Since there is no 1 tablet to rule them all, I have the financial capability to buy all 4 of the tablets that I mentioned and enjoy it according to the situation. Each one of them has part features of that "still none existing" 1 tablet to rule them all.

Well I guess if I had 2k to spend on tabs, I'd be happy man - who knew I'd have to own 4 tabs to be productive!

Earthbrain said:
The answer to this question is:
"In my mind and in your mind"
Such a tablet does not exist in reality at this moment.
You will have to let that $800 burn in your pocket for many more months to come.
While you are waiting, I will be playing with my 3G T-mobile Galaxy Tab, my 3G Xoom, my ipad, and my 64 GB Playbook.
Since there is no 1 tablet to rule them all, I have the financial capability to buy all 4 of the tablets that I mentioned and enjoy it according to the situation. Each one of them has part features of that "still none existing" 1 tablet to rule them all.
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That is a lot of tablets
If you had to give up the others and have only one, which would you keep?

To the op, just get an iPad, you seem like that kinda guy.
Or wait until a Kal-EL 7inch tab that's thinner than the Sammy 8.9 and has a samoled screen comes out, that will be the tab to rule them all

One tab to rule them all?
My Galaxy tab 7' has 2.3.3 1.4ghz cpu speed, tegra2 compatable, with smartass for sweet cpu regulation. Soon to have 3.1
Luv this thing. Seems to be able to do almost ANYTHING!
Now if I could just solder a kal-el tegra3 quad core mobile processor in there, i would be set!
As a famous trouble-maker once said, "I have a dream"

tylerg said:
Well I guess if I had 2k to spend on tabs, I'd be happy man - who knew I'd have to own 4 tabs to be productive!
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I have the 4 tablets for fun, not to be productive. Productivity is using my i7-980X destop computer.
I work hard so I also have to play hard.

Scott21 said:
That is a lot of tablets
If you had to give up the others and have only one, which would you keep?
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At this moment in time, I would probably keep the 7" Samsung Galaxy Tab.
Reasons:
1. It has Overcome Gingerbread RC1 ROM and can overclock to 1.4 ghz (simulate the Flyer)
2. It has CoPilot Live (can simulate a good stand alone portable GPS)
3. It has 7" screen (is very portable, and simulate the Flyer and the Playbook)
4. It has great video playback of high-profile h.264 and a great bright screen (can simulate the Playbook and Flyer)
5. It can use Chainfire 3D to play Tegra games (can simulate the Xoom)
6. It can make phone calls (simulate a cell phone)
7. It has decent amount of apps/games, unlike the Playbook which is horrible with apps since QNX is fairly new (can try to simulate the ipad)
I also chose the Samsung Galaxy Tab because I use it the most. It is in my jacket pocket and I using it everyday. The other 3 tabs I only use it sparingly such as:
1. Use the Xoom for surfing the net...has bigger screen so better at surfing the internet.
2. Use the Playbook to watch high-profile h.264 videos because I can have files bigger than 6 GB since the Playbook uses NTFS storage and the screen is fantastic.
3. Use the ipad for games...it has so many games.

7" Tab works for it's market I think, that it IS portable, the best tablet is the one you have with you.
As much as these 10" ones look good, I can't lug 'em around as easy, if I do get a bag, I might as well bring my netbook.
Though...I were to get one, I /really/ like the look of the Transformer. No ports, but the concept of hooking it up to a base station to get the ports/extra battery life really appeals to me. Then again, do I go back to lugging the netbook around?
With the hints Asus are dropping with their new device, I think they're jumping on the idea of 'shells'. A phone sized device to lug around and use as a phone, then drop into a shell for what you need. Extra screen space, screen + keyboard.
If the big manufacturers got smart, they'd work with each other to get a standard working here. Atrix was a good idea but I think a poor implementation. If Motorola/Asus got together to make a decent standardised slot to drop your device into, I think the market would massively explode.
Oops, veered off a bit there.
But yeah, that's why 7" tablets ARE so great, they're a market Apple ignored (didn't understand?), and as shown, we all love different devices. Get the device YOU need, and it's the tablet to rule them all for YOU.

A mix of what it was advertised with
Microsoft Courier
Notion Ink Adam
top of the range Wacom
Mix well shake add what meego should have been but 20 years in the future from now plus the capability of running android apps
Serve cold
What!... one can dream , can I?
P

We are at the good-enough stage of Android devices. You're not going to find the perfect device because everyone is chasing Apple while keeping an eye on one another. Apple spent a long time developing a great device and only released it when they were ready. It's a winning strategy for them. Android will improve more quickly than iOS and you'll eventually get to the point where you can get a very good device from several manufacturers.
The iOS devices will remain ideals, but ideals only for those people willing to give up some freedom for a very refined experience. I love my Macs and find them better than any PC you can buy, and you don't have to give up much freedom to use a Mac. I use Android devices because the iOS walled garden is too stifling.
Within a year or two, we'll see Android devices that meet or exceed the quality and capabilities of iOS devices and the way Google is moving, we'll have a great OS to run on these great devices.
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pendevous said:
Let me see what you want:
1. Sexy and Thin
2. With lots of ports
3. Doesn't feel cheap
4. Doesn't use a skin
5. Great touchscreen
Am I right?
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u r right, i want it to

Vote for ASUS Transformer for the Best Tablet of 2011

Head over to the link below to vote
http://www.xda-developers.com/announcements/poll-vote-for-the-best-tablet-of-2011/

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Well they didn't include the iPad 2.. I'm assuming whoever set the poll up had their reasons. But definately Transformer 1 is the best Honeycomb tablet out there for the money and the keyboard-battery dock was an amazing extension to it.
Asus stepped up and brought a new pricing standard to tablets for others to follow which made it a huge hit. Not to mention the price point got so many people involved in the dev scene for it; that alone makes it one of the best for people who love tinkering with Android.

TF is my first and so far only tablet i have got so i can't compare it to others, but still.. i'm definitely voting for it

i saw it in the portal and voted for it. why would someone say gtab10.1 is good? there were no updates

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The Transformer is the best don't wast your time with all the rest.

I've owned the ipad 2, viewsonic gtablet, acer iconia, and asus transformer. My vote goes to the transformer.
I've also used the thrive and xoom.
There's just no doubt that the transformer is the best one out there... that is unless you want to live in a walled garden of eden then you should get the ipad 2.

goodintentions said:
I've owned the ipad 2, viewsonic gtablet, acer iconia, and asus transformer. My vote goes to the transformer.
I've also used the thrive and xoom.
There's just no doubt that the transformer is the best one out there... that is unless you want to live in a walled garden of eden then you should get the ipad 2.
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i don't see how ipad is "walled garden od eden"? You did hear about jailbreak?
I still have to see android tablet on which I can type without delays and dropped letters, and to position cursor quickly and precisely right where I want it. Lack of usb charging is a terrible design flaw and the reason I ignored it was because I ran inti article which stated that it would be fixed by bios update, which is even more stupid.
I honestly still don't see single aspect where android beats IOS. This poll shuld be named "best android tablet 2011" or include ipad on it. Until then, I will refrain from voting.

zdravke said:
i don't see how ipad is "walled garden od eden"? You did hear about jailbreak?
I still have to see android tablet on which I can type without delays and dropped letters, and to position cursor quickly and precisely right where I want it. Lack of usb charging is a terrible design flaw and the reason I ignored it was because I ran inti article which stated that it would be fixed by bios update, which is even more stupid.
I honestly still don't see single aspect where android beats IOS. This poll shuld be named "best android tablet 2011" or include ipad on it. Until then, I will refrain from voting.
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I agree with you partner that is so bias not to in include the ipad, after all it is the best selling tablet of all time. Ios is just like any other os. In order to fully mod and unlock the phone you would need to jailbreak or root your phone. I hate when people say ios is a walled garden every os is. Once you jailbreak ios is just like any android phone that is root. You guys be acting like you just buy an android phone and out of the box you can do whatever the hell you want without root. Plus its easier to jailbreak ios than it is to root an android phone straight up. If android was truly open people would be able to uninstall or at least turn off custom skins that OEM insist on forcing down our throat without any hacking or uninstall carrier apps. Ios doesn't come with none of that bull****. I love android but ios is far more open than you guys think.
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Diversion said:
Well they didn't include the iPad 2.. I'm assuming whoever set the poll up had their reasons. But definately Transformer 1 is the best Honeycomb tablet out there for the money and the keyboard-battery dock was an amazing extension to it.
Asus stepped up and brought a new pricing standard to tablets for others to follow which made it a huge hit. Not to mention the price point got so many people involved in the dev scene for it; that alone makes it one of the best for people who love tinkering with Android.
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The funny thing is most stores, businesses, and websites will categorize tablets as android, hp, xoom, samsung galaxy, etc. But for the iPad 2 it's just the iPad 2. There isn't a tablet section because the iPad 2 is the iPad 2. That is clearly how apple and the rest of the world want to define it.
Voted for the Transformer. Really is the best tablet this year. I have played with the Samsung Galaxy 10.1 in store and a friend who has one. It is stupid fast and when compared to Transformer the specs are better and it runs faster and smoother. But I'm not going to pay an apple price for it. Besides I love the look and feel of the transformer and am so happy they did not try to make their tablet look like apple.

Funny, my fiancee and I were talking about tablets last night and I told her the GT was regarded as the best thing this side of an iPad, since Apple practically owns the market. Maybe I'm not the only one who loves the Transformer, muahuahuahuahauhaa
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maxvsmith said:
The funny thing is most stores, businesses, and websites will categorize tablets as android, hp, xoom, samsung galaxy, etc. But for the iPad 2 it's just the iPad 2. There isn't a tablet section because the iPad 2 is the iPad 2. That is clearly how apple and the rest of the world want to define it.
Voted for the Transformer. Really is the best tablet this year. I have played with the Samsung Galaxy 10.1 in store and a friend who has one. It is stupid fast and when compared to Transformer the specs are better and it runs faster and smoother. But I'm not going to pay an apple price for it. Besides I love the look and feel of the transformer and am so happy they did not try to make their tablet look like apple.
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Wait what? Stupid fast and better specs than transformer? Where you get that? I've spent quite some time playing with it, I don't feel that it is any faster than transformer. And better spec?? as far as I know they are the Exact same spec. Tegra 2, 1 gb ram. what better spec does it have?

Voted it. I really love it and it is amazing, with the keyboard having an extra battery and can be upgraded to ICS.

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I agree with you partner that is so bias not to in include the ipad, after all it is the best selling tablet of all time. Ios is just like any other os. In order to fully mod and unlock the phone you would need to jailbreak or root your phone. I hate when people say ios is a walled garden every os is. Once you jailbreak ios is just like any android phone that is root. You guys be acting like you just buy an android phone and out of the box you can do whatever the hell you want without root. Plus its easier to jailbreak ios than it is to root an android phone straight up. If android was truly open people would be able to uninstall or at least turn off custom skins that OEM insist on forcing down our throat without any hacking or uninstall carrier apps. Ios doesn't come with none of that bull****. I love android but ios is far more open than you guys think.
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Hmmm... last I checked there wasn't a pluthera of Roms and Kernels available to IOS devices, nor is IOS updated as often. Why dont you go ahead and overclock an I device... ohh wait you can't, all you can do is trick the device in to not underclocking it. How about Dualbooting with linux? heck, I don't think you can permanately install Linux on an Idevice yet (although they are working on it). Lets talk about true Multitasking or ow about widgets... My point is, Idevices are still very much walled off, even Jailbroken there is little that can be done easily, that can be done on Android. Side loading apps and freedom of files are the key thing I love about android, plug my phone in to my pc and i can pull any file off I want, I can email any file i want from my device, no need for ssh or any crap like that.
Don't get me wrong, IOS is a fine system and for the majority it is perfect, but don't kid yourself thinking that a jail broken Idevice is as open as a rooted android. Honestly I think a jailbroken Idevice = non rooted android, at least as far as permissions are concerned. I recommend Iphones to people all the time, its a great piece of hardware but for someone who really wants to control their devices and the data stored... Android no questions asked.
To each their own though, back when I rocked iphones I use to think that Android wasn't all that grand, but when I got bored of my iphone4 and grab an Infuse4g for ****s and giggles I was instantly hooked to Android. I had Iphone 2g-4 but it felt like i had the same phone for years, just got a little faster every now and then but it was basically the same... I needed a change. Anyways, i'm just thankful we can have these discussions, many out there have far greater concerns than "what is better the apple or the droid"
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Hmmm... last I checked there wasn't a pluthera of Roms and Kernels available to IOS devices, nor is IOS updated as often. Why dont you go ahead and overclock an I device... ohh wait you can't, all you can do is trick the device in to not underclocking it. How about Dualbooting with linux? heck, I don't think you can permanately install Linux on an Idevice yet (although they are working on it). Lets talk about true Multitasking or ow about widgets... My point is, Idevices are still very much walled off, even Jailbroken there is little that can be done easily, that can be done on Android. Side loading apps and freedom of files are the key thing I love about android, plug my phone in to my pc and i can pull any file off I want, I can email any file i want from my device, no need for ssh or any crap like that.
Don't get me wrong, IOS is a fine system and for the majority it is perfect, but don't kid yourself thinking that a jail broken Idevice is as open as a rooted android. Honestly I think a jailbroken Idevice = non rooted android, at least as far as permissions are concerned. I recommend Iphones to people all the time, its a great piece of hardware but for someone who really wants to control their devices and the data stored... Android no questions asked.
To each their own though, back when I rocked iphones I use to think that Android wasn't all that grand, but when I got bored of my iphone4 and grab an Infuse4g for ****s and giggles I was instantly hooked to Android. I had Iphone 2g-4 but it felt like i had the same phone for years, just got a little faster every now and then but it was basically the same... I needed a change. Anyways, i'm just thankful we can have these discussions, many out there have far greater concerns than "what is better the apple or the droid"
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Yee indeed.good talk buddy. I pad and iPhone are labeled the best due to sales. Which is far from it. Just because the HP touchpad sold completely out,does that mean it's the best or near it? No,hell no. Apple is great system but every year its the same damn thing and millions of dumbasses pour hundreds for a minor upgrade or update lol. Android is where its at
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Wait what? Stupid fast and better specs than transformer? Where you get that? I've spent quite some time playing with it, I don't feel that it is any faster than transformer. And better spec?? as far as I know they are the Exact same spec. Tegra 2, 1 gb ram. what better spec does it have?
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Well with the specs I just heard about it. I assumed it did as well. Maybe they are the same. I think what it really is the reason why some people like it better is because Samsung is well known. Maybe they think paying the premium price makes it better. it's probably the slimness too that attracts people. I am not crazy about the slim trend. If they made the prime without the thinner form it would not bother me. I played with the two at best buy and reset them both. I went on a few sites and did some flash video sites on both. I used the stock browser and the galaxy seemed a little faster. I checked both and they were both updated as well. Try both in the store and see if with the newest update if they are more balanced or if one is a little faster. Even if the galaxy is a little faster I still think the transformer is the better talet and deal. I guess its mostly the tech snobs that drooled over the samsung galaxy 10.1. I used to spend wayyy too much time and too much belief in engadget.

iPad mini

hmmmmm i still think my Xoom is very relevant and will better suit me for what i use a tablet for. heck my first gen kindle fire is still relevant (for me anyways)
what are your thoughts?
http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/overview/

My thoughts are that comparing the too is like comparing oranges and carrots. The only thing they have in common is the color orange (they're both tablets).
They are damn near 2 generations apart tech wise and 2 completely different form factors.

exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant

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exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant
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Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.

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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.

PeterWitrigs said:
Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.
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I agree with this and on a different note the surface isn't to shabby looking either. This is my favorite time of the year.
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Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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you may be right, but it is just an opinion, never liked apple, but its not like i look for opportunities to bash them....no wait :cyclops:
and yeah as long as the Nexus 10 isn't built by LG i might get one too
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thats true as well

To be honest my xoom2 sound way better than mini ipad mini.

Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..

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A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..
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So now I need to be an Apple user in order to have an unbiased opinion? Please tell me where I downgraded Android wrongly rather than just shrugging it off. Android tablet app support is atrocious. Its getting better and its nice that Android apps "scale" upward but in doing so, a lot of the screen real estate of a tablet is simply not used efficiently. You can compare it to mobile websites. Have you ever looked at a mobile website on a desktop? They look horrible because they're not using the screen real estate efficiently. With all that said, the user interface of the OS itself and the features and speed have finally surpassed that of iOS.
And yes, the Xoom in the tech world of tablets is very out of date. Hardware tech moves fast; its still relevant and useful but the Tegra 2 processor is simply not up to par with newer chips. One of the main Eos devs even said in their nightly thread that the Xoom is old (coming up on 2 years) and people should start looking to upgrade. It was a bit of an off hand comment (as in I don't think they plan on dropping support any time soon) but people were discussing speed and such and the simple fact is the Xoom's hardware is holding it back from taking full advantage of Jellybean (its fast but not nearly as fast as a Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 7 with Project Butter).
Back to my original point, as I stated, comparing the Xoom and Mini is silly and to me comes across as nothing more than a fishing attempt to bash on Apple and circle jerk about the Xoom with other Xoom owners. They are two products that simply don't compare well to one another. A proper comparison would be the Nexus 7 and the Mini; they are much closer in release dates and are actually of similar sizes and targeted at similar customers.
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so what would be the point of buying an ipad mini?
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People that want a smaller tablet and are already invested in the iOS arena or simply prefer it? Tablets that are 9.6" or 10.1" aren't for everyone, just as phones that are 4.7" aren't for everyone. I know quite a few iPhone users who never got iPads because they saw the device as too large and cumbersome. The Mini introduces another option for iOS users at a different price and size.

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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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And why do you think that?

Tech_Zealot said:
In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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great point, open source has always been better at providing better and faster support to products which make them more reliable and longer lasting. look how many old PCs are running linux
on the flip side, proprietary software like drivers from nvidia (on my LG phone) take forever to get updates. LG/Nvidia and T-Mobile have only just recently upgraded my phone to GB 2.3.4 (back in March) where as my Xoom is running the latest JB

I think that apple products are great! They give people who are new to the computer world a chance to learn hope to use a computer...
That being said anything beyond being new to computers in respect to acceptable customer support, software support, getting the most out of your device, power, and topping on the cake ethical business operation, you don't find it in apple.
I won't go to far into detail and try not to hate on apple to much, but I think that if you want a device that actually allows you to fully use the hardware then you have to look elsewhere. I also think that you pay far to much money for devices in that brand since they already get their hardware cheap as hell. sure they build solid hardware, but its not always high end, nor is it reasonably priced.
I bought a laptop from an off brand that was twice the power of the average apple computer today and half the price. I received it a year ago.
Ok enough with apple. Sorry that organization irritates me.
So on the xoom. I bought mine fairly recently. Some of the things I love about it is that it's build Pretty solid. I feel like I could throw this thing at a friggin wall! People claim the hardware is outdated, I don't agree. My xoom has EOS Wingray 153 currently and doesn't have any issues at all with lag. The only problems I've had with running apps is that I can't find enough that I want to use. That is to say ones relevant for me to use. I have about 64GB to fill and not enough apps to fill it with
Now this isn't as if I'm saying there aren't enough apps made for android to be honest I think there are plenty. I like that you don't need to use a ca authority to make an app attachable to the store, and I like that they don't pull root apps from the market. I also haven't heard of people being sued for hacking android devices.
I haven't been able to take full advantage of my xoom hardware yet, though it's mostly due to a lack of trying. I mostly use it for a few games and internet use when I'm not home. I also do ebooks and PDFs as well as ssh and some research. To say the xoom is outdated is in my opinion grossly wrong. The software that does a pretty damn good job of efficiently using the hardware, and I've yet to see an app thus far have trouble functioning properly or have any sort of lag. Well I did once, but that could have been so to a new build I literally just installed it also could have just been the app. In any case I no longer have lag.
To close to the question of iPad mini vs xoom. If you have a reason to use something smaller than a xoom then by all means support a terrible organization, but otherwise I think the xoom will be good for me for another year.
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I hate Apple's policies for market share! But over hating their policies I hate those iSheeps who keeps saying that their iPoops of them is better than Android, which was com proved by Geekbench that it's the opposite! For all those saying that Xoom is better than any Apple device, it's a lie, BUT even with it's 2 y.o. hardware it's only worse than the new iPhone 5, which is worse to GNote 10.1, GNote 2 and GS3! And there's still missing the new devices that'll come now, like RAZR HD, HTC One X+, Xperia T, etc... And on the iPad mini topic, all I can say is that it's not worth in ANY F-Word WAY! N7 is the best 7" tablet you'll see, Xoom 2 ME is way better too! But I else think that's not fair compare a 7" tablet to a 10" one, they were built for different functions and there's no way you can be fair to both sides when comparing utility, for example: I have my Xoom, which is amazing, and today I used a little my mom's Xoom 2 ME tablet, and it was way better to read than my 10.1" screen! That's why I'm keeping my Xoom and getting a Nexus 7, as I don't need another high end 10" tablet for now and need a tablet for better mobility.
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Considering this or the iPad for my sister

Hello Note 10.1 users.
As stated, this is for my younger sister who just got out of college.
She's considering a tablet and I have a Note II which I love. I've always been an android user, since the nexus one (which she uses since i got the galaxy nexus).
When I'm reading online, even android websites say that android tablets are not on par w/ the iPad. I see that it's about the apps, but I feel like all the big apps are on android too, so I'm just confused.
Has anyone here had significant experience w/ one of the "new" ipads (3rd or 4th) that can offer their thoughts?
The reason I'm considering the Note 10.1 is because the only other 10 inch android tablet that seems good is the transformer infinity and their forums are just RIDDLED with problems, which I don't see Note 10.1 users having. So it seems to be the most stable 10 inch tablet on android.

There's two ipads in my home. My step sons and my wife's. My wife just got the 10.1 after seeing mine and gave her other son the ipad. Just go to a store a try all your options and see what you like best.
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ksc6000 said:
Hello Note 10.1 users.
As stated, this is for my younger sister who just got out of college.
She's considering a tablet and I have a Note II which I love. I've always been an android user, since the nexus one (which she uses since i got the galaxy nexus).
When I'm reading online, even android websites say that android tablets are not on par w/ the iPad. I see that it's about the apps, but I feel like all the big apps are on android too, so I'm just confused.
Has anyone here had significant experience w/ one of the "new" ipads (3rd or 4th) that can offer their thoughts?
The reason I'm considering the Note 10.1 is because the only other 10 inch android tablet that seems good is the transformer infinity and their forums are just RIDDLED with problems, which I don't see Note 10.1 users having. So it seems to be the most stable 10 inch tablet on android.
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Depends on what she wants, does she want high resolution screen/media consumption device or a device more geared toward productivity?
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You need to consider what your Sister wants to do with it.
What does she do for a living, what brand of phone does she have, will she be a casual user or a power user.
Would she be happy with a plain Jane iPad as far as customizing goes?
Will she enjoy the artistic aspect of the Note 10.1's S-Pen.
As far as apps go... both android and ios have a wide range of quality apps. that would satisfy user of any age or profession
I have used iPod, iPad, Blackberry Playbook, Kindle fire, and a Note 10.1
My favorite device is the Note 10.1 here are some of the reasons why
The S-Pen, muti-window & dual view, air view, easy clip, smart stay, buddy photo share, live video w/ chapter preview, smart remote, formula match and pop up play.
The Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 is truly The New Way
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kkretch said:
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Once you get used to that you never wanna have something other. I tell you, two aspects of the note are essential: as mentioned the multiwindow feature and the spen (including all the hardware). I use my note for studying and all i have to carry to university is this tablet. I do ALL my work on it with lecture notes but thats another long story... you can find a lot here in this forum.
Back to the multiwindow thing. I promise you, once tried you ll get addicted to it. The feeling is "pretty close" to working on a desktop/laptop machine. I owned the p7500 before i moved on to the note and that was a whole new experience. But to be honest you have to be rooted to REALLY use multiwindow in nearly every app. out of the box it just supports a couple of stock apps and that really sucked.

The Note is the best tablet on the market with one glaring deficiency: it's 147PPI display. Nothing competes with S Pen, S Note, multiview, airview, and all the additional features Samsung packs in to it. For someone that values those features (I do) the 147PPI display is the price you have to pay to get them.
For someone who just wants consumption, the two best tablets are the Xperia Z or Samsung P5200 (their version of the Nexus 10). The first was just announced and I'm not sure of when it goes on sale in the U.S. The second was leaked with no detail yet on features (other than the display resolution), price or availability. The N10 has a ton of issues and because it's "pure Google" missing a lot of features in other tablets. If you have a Costco near you buy her a Note there and, if she doesn't like it or something new comes along, you can return it within 90 days no-questions asked.

BarryH_GEG said:
The Note is the best tablet on the market with one glaring deficiency: it's 147PPI display. Nothing competes with S Pen, S Note, multiview, airview, and all the additional features Samsung packs in to it. For someone that values those features (I do) the 147PPI display is the price you have to pay to get them.
For someone who just wants consumption, the two best tablets are the Xperia Z or Samsung P5200 (their version of the Nexus 10). The first was just announced and I'm not sure of when it goes on sale in the U.S. The second was leaked with no detail yet on features (other than the display resolution), price or availability. The N10 has a ton of issues and because it's "pure Google" missing a lot of features in other tablets. If you have a Costco near you buy her a Note there and, if she doesn't like it or something new comes along, you can return it within 90 days no-questions asked.
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Well, it looks like I can get a refurbished one for 380 on ebay. I think I'm going to do that. The Xperia Z looks like a VERY premium tablet, so I'm sure it'll carry a premium price too, and she can barely afford the $380. I would've got her the nexus 10 as I love my nexus 7, but after reading through xda, and seeing that it has nothing but random reboot problems...I said f that.

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What android website writes such nonsense?
The Nexus 10 is better then the Ipad in EVERYTHING.
The Note 10 is better then the Nexus 10 because it has the s-pen, s-note, a sd-card slot and so on.
You seem not to know that the question "Android or Apple" is a religious, political question (seriously).
How dare you come to a Android forum and ask about an Apple product? You heretic! hehe (joke).
Now seriously again:
Most of us would never buy an Ipad, whatever specs it has, because it is an Apple product.
All apple products have the apple philosophy of being closed, limited.
Apple makes easy products, suited for your grandma.
To do this they have to RESTRICT your freedom to do things with the device. This limits what you can do with the device and limits your control on even your own data, but it limits also your chances to damage your device by doing something wrong.
A elderly person should buy an apple product because it is easy and an elderly person does not need advanced features.
A smart, young person should buy an android because it gives him the freedom to modify/customize everything and lets him do whatever he wants.
It is a political question:
Do you prefer the former "Soviet Union" (Apple) or the USA (Android)?
Soviet union (Apple): Easy life, the state gives you a job, a home but you have no freedom. (Apple Ipad: easy to use, but limited freedom.)
USA (Android): You have the freedom to become a billionaire like bill gates or fail and land homeless in the streets. How good or bad your life is, is in your hands. (Android Note 10.1: You can do whatever your want and can do many things an Ipad can not. But, you can also root your device, do some error and brick it.)
The Ipad does not have a Pen!
Try to use a Note 10.1 with the Pen for a week and then tell us whether you can continue to live with a device without a Pen.

Get her the Ipad, if you get her the note 10.1 and see what its like she won't end up with a new tablet or you'll have to get another one...:laugh:
I use my note 10.1 for everything. It does everything the ipad does and more. You can customise it to how you like it and change the rom if it doesn't suit you or you aren't getting updates. Modding is easy and throw in the s-pen and you have a brilliant tablet. So I say, get your sister the Ipad or you'll end up with a new tablet and she'll be disappointed....:good:

legion1911 said:
It is a political question:
Do you prefer the former "Soviet Union" (Apple) or the USA (Android)?
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Iran's nuclear ambitions are a political question. As is Palestine vs. Israel and Pyongyang's lunacy du jour. Android vs. iOS is a practical question. Do you want your tablet experience to be easy, consistent and well defined out of the box with content spoon fed to you and in return give up some flexibility? If so, pick iOS. Do you want your tablet experience to allow for a high degree of customization and configuration with more content flexibility and in return you have to have a higher degree of technical knowledge and need to invest more time? Pick Android.
I'm committed to Android personally but consistently recommend iOS to my non-technical friends because for people that just want to do stuff without having to think about it iOS is a better choice. If someone asks me whether they should go with Android or iOS I hand them my phone or tablet and tell them to play with it. If after a few minutes they look totally confused I recommend iOS. If they get in to the menus and apps and start asking decent questions I recommend Android. Just because we personally enjoy and support Android doesn’t mean iOS isn’t a viable solution for quite a few people.
And the N10 is a train wreck. There are a ton of h/w and QC issues along with it using a barren AOSP interface designed for a phone. 4.2 still has tons of issues that haven’t been resolved yet. The number of people unhappy with the N10 is the highest I’ve seen for an Android tablet to date which is saying something because Asus’ tablets are no walk in the park. The N4’s got more than its share of issues including a rather serious thermal throttling problem when under extended load. Just because a Google device is “pure” and/or says “Nexus” on it doesn’t automatically make it good.

If your sister has any intention of using the tablet for just playing "games" or watching stuff online, you're better off getting her an iPad. You won't have to field any questions because she won't have this bias that the device is hard to use.
If your sister is the kind of person who likes to tweak her devices, do digital art, maybe take notes, you can't lose with the Note 10.1.
If I were you, I'd just stick them with the iPad because I hate getting complaints based on people's preconceived notion on how hard Android devices are to use.

BarryH_GEG said:
Iran's nuclear ambitions are a political question. As is Palestine vs. Israel and Pyongyang's lunacy du jour. Android vs. iOS is a practical question.
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You are wrong.
"I do not want a device that restricts my freedom and does not respect my privacy", "I do not want to give money to a company that produces devices that restrict freedom and do not respect privacy", "I do not want to buy products from a company that gets rich by exploiting poor Chinese workers" ARE political and ethical choices.
Just like "buying fair trade products", "not buying meat, because you do not want to kill animals", "not buying north-Korean/Iranian/Israeli" are political and ethical choices. Understand?
BarryH_GEG said:
Do you want your tablet experience to be easy, consistent and well defined out of the box with content spoon fed to you and in return give up some flexibility? If so, pick iOS. Do you want your tablet experience to allow for a high degree of customization and configuration with more content flexibility and in return you have to have a higher degree of technical knowledge and need to invest more time? Pick Android.
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I wrote almost the same.
But...
The amount of technical knowledge required to use STOCK samsung/android is not much higher then with an Ipad and your CAN invest time to do advanced stuff, but you do not have to. One can live fine also without root, cwm, overclocking, side-loading, ROM-flashing. My 70 year old "non technical" mother lives fine with a stock samsung android phone. She does not need an Iphone.
Stock samsung/android is very similar to iOS. We all know why.... because Android/Samsung copied it from Apple.
Just like Windows is a copy of the Apple Macintosh. So you recommend your "non technical friends" to buy Macintosh (iMac as they call them now) and not a Windows pc?
The comparison iOS/Android is exactly the same as Macintosh/Windows.
I do not underestimate the intelligence of my friends/family.

ksc6000 said:
Hello Note 10.1 users.
As stated, this is for my younger sister who just got out of college.
She's considering a tablet and I have a Note II which I love. I've always been an android user, since the nexus one (which she uses since i got the galaxy nexus).
When I'm reading online, even android websites say that android tablets are not on par w/ the iPad. I see that it's about the apps, but I feel like all the big apps are on android too, so I'm just confused.
Has anyone here had significant experience w/ one of the "new" ipads (3rd or 4th) that can offer their thoughts?
The reason I'm considering the Note 10.1 is because the only other 10 inch android tablet that seems good is the transformer infinity and their forums are just RIDDLED with problems, which I don't see Note 10.1 users having. So it seems to be the most stable 10 inch tablet on android.
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i have owned Note 10.1 for 5 months since it came to my country. screen is ****! real ****! u know it has the same screen as the first galaxy tab 10.1? YEAH! go for iPad 4! i will get the iPad 5 when it comes out, my first ever iOS device that i would own. i have used iPad 4 of my friend and it is really really great. my only grudge is that there is no file browser and everything has to be transferred through the iTunes. thats it! nothing else! go for iPad 4 it has the best screen and the best app support and the best of all, it has a great battery life and as a bonus a great resale value... hope u got my point

I gotta tell you, I've used Android and iOS for a long time. Still have an iPad 2 in the house and had an original iPad. I truly and honestly don't get why people continue to perpetuate this myth that Android is "hard to use" and "requires technical knowledge" as well as all the other comments about it that imply difficulty. I've actually found it to be the opposite. Android seems to just make sense to me. In iOS everything I try to do is a monumental pain in the ass. It seems even the most basic activities require going to all kinds of different places.
As for your sister, also consider "total cost of ownership" which goes way beyond the cost of the tablet itself. It seems to me that comparable iOS apps are generally more expensive...not to mention that if you get sucked into the iOS world you usually have to buy a tablet app and a phone app separately. Lots of Android apps work perfectly on a tablet and phone and look great so you really don't need 2 of the same app.
I would also suggest, unless she needs a stylus because she likes to draw or whatever, there are much less expensive and equally good options out there for far less money than the Note 10.1 or the iFad.

^^^ this. Replaced my wife's iphone 4 with a note 2. She asked me how to put her music on it. I told her to plug it into her laptop make a music folder on her sd card and drag her music into it. Her mouth dropped and said that's it?! I always had to work her iTunes for her and it annoyed the crap out of me. Glad she took my advice this time when she upgraded.
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I haven't ever owned an Apple device, but it's definitely not "easier to use" when I tried my friends' phones. I mean, the way people talk about Android stuff like you have to be a techie to use it.. Sure, you COULD geek out to do a lot of other stuff, but it's completely unnecessary. The only reason I know a little bit about geeking out is because I found the XDA forums for my first Android tablet and I wanted to do more than just browsing.

Take the note 10, about the interface of apple and how it is easy, you could install a launcher that will make it like the ipad or even windows phone
Done !!!
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With the Note 10.1 I was able to download a pdf, import it to SNote, fill out the pdf, exported the edited pdf to pdf and email it to the company that wanted me to print it out, write on it then scan it and after all that, email it back to them..
I'm not sure this can be done or not on an iPad for I have never owned an Apple product nor do I even want to own one
This is reason enough for me to say, purchase the Note 10.1

Got the note and my sister loves it! Thanks to you all