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[Q] Glitches

So after about a week or so with my Xoom, I am happy, unlike the fools that don't understand early adopting.
Anyway. Today I ran across two glitches that I would like to know if anyone else has encountered. First I put about three or four 720p videos on my xoom and it stopped audio from playing out of my xoom. In videos that were previously on it and the music app didn't work either. Second, I went to take a picture and the picture I snapped stayed in the viewfinder, didn't save, when I closed the camera app and tried to reaccess it I was stopped with a prompt stating "camera could not be found". A simple power off power on technique fixed both issues. But that was twice today I needed to do that after an almost flawless week.
Has anyone expiren ced either of these glitches or any others you'd like to mention?

If you start out calling people fools then you deserve to wallow in your glitches.
Have fun.

LordLugard said:
If you start out calling people fools then you deserve to wallow in your glitches.
Have fun.
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Anyone that spends 800 dollars on a device then pops online and complains about the stupidest things that are to be expected is a fool. This forum is filled with people *****ing because their fb widget doesn't work or their favorite app from froyo isn't running properly. Anyone that wastes up space like that on this forum is a fool. Don't spend that much money on something and come here to ***** about things that should be expected.
And you good sir are a fool. Don't comment on this thread if you having nothing of use to say.

I pre ordered it and think its junk. I returned it and lost no money in the transaction. How is that foolish? Whats foolish is $800 for something that a cheaper tablets can do just as well.

falconeight said:
I pre ordered it and think its junk. I returned it and lost no money in the transaction. How is that foolish? Whats foolish is $800 for something that a cheaper tablets can do just as well.
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Maybe I should fix this cause it was really meant to be harmless. I started this thread after reading a post about someone calling the xoom junk because he/she could not run a few apps he had on his phone on his Xoom. And this was the reason for his return.
Now like I said in that post, I can understad why people would be dissapointed with the Xoom. It shipped with aa **** stock player when it is supposedly suppose to be a media powerhouse, just to mention one of the few things wrong.
However if you purchased a Xoom this early into the game, and expect it to be able to run all your apps from Froyo, you are a damn fool.
It was not a burn to people that decided to take theirs back, just to those that don't understsnd what early adopting is, and for all intensive purpses come here to complain about it.
No one cares that your fb widget doesn't work, and if that is your sole purpose for returning this device you are an idiot for having bought it.

RadDudeTommy said:
So after about a week or so with my Xoom, I am happy, unlike the fools that don't understand early adopting.
Anyway. Today I ran across two glitches that I would like to know if anyone else has encountered. First I put about three or four 720p videos on my xoom and it stopped audio from playing out of my xoom. In videos that were previously on it and the music app didn't work either. Second, I went to take a picture and the picture I snapped stayed in the viewfinder, didn't save, when I closed the camera app and tried to reaccess it I was stopped with a prompt stating "camera could not be found". A simple power off power on technique fixed both issues. But that was twice today I needed to do that after an almost flawless week.
Has anyone expiren ced either of these glitches or any others you'd like to mention?
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I haven't experienced either one. Are you rooted or anything fancy? And what are you using to convert/play your video files?
falconeight said:
I pre ordered it and think its junk. I returned it and lost no money in the transaction. How is that foolish? Whats foolish is $800 for something that a cheaper tablets can do just as well.
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The Xoom being junk, and the Xoom not being for you is two different things. The OP's frustration with a certain breed of early adopters is completely justified.
You are a click away from the information that would've saved you time and effort. Instead you chose to buy a brand new product with brand new software, and ***** because it's not seasoned, and because you can't understand what it's capable of.

i haven't rooted yet due to the concerns of not being able to get the upgrade. But I believe its now confirmed that the upgrade will still go to those that have rooted.
I have a video converter I used, but what caused me problems was a youtube streaming saver. I've been using it to convert music videos posted by vevo into 720p. That was the only time it glitched.
The videos all play fine after the reboot.
I also encountered problems trying to transfer 1080p files to my Xoom. For some reason my windows 7 computer stops the transfer well after it starts and is seemingly going fine.
I'm not sure if 1080p is even worth it considering the file size and that 720 looks beautiful but any advice would be gratefully taken.
I did happen to get a 1080 on my Xoom, however it did not play on the stock video player and actually stopped my other videos from playing till I had a chance to take it off.
Again I am sorry for anyone that took offense to my fool comment, unless you are on of the few fools on this forum that just wants to complain your apps aren't working.
I can't imagine all the returns that they are going to have to process for people that don't fully understand what they are buying.

RadDudeTommy said:
Anyone that spends 800 dollars on a device then pops online and complains about the stupidest things that are to be expected is a fool. This forum is filled with people *****ing because their fb widget doesn't work or their favorite app from froyo isn't running properly. Anyone that wastes up space like that on this forum is a fool. Don't spend that much money on something and come here to ***** about things that should be expected.
And you good sir are a fool. Don't comment on this thread if you having nothing of use to say.
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That makes no effing sense. Could you imagine if Apple sold a new Mac Pro and then when people complained that it was glitchy and things werent working that obviously should, their response being "You shouldn't have spent so much money on our device. Don't you know that you are an early adopter? Stop complaining on our forums about your problems." For the premium price Motorola was charging, the tablet should have had next to no bugs.
LOL.
I understand being frustrated by the half of the frontpage of the general section that is people complaining about their Xoom, but realize that the entire "early adopter" excuse is nonsense. Android will never make a dent in the tablet market if every tablet has to be allowed to go through an "early adopter" phase where it is riddled with bugs. No Apple product goes through an "early adopter" phase. Some of their products have flaws, but out of the box you do not see nearly the same amount of issues. For the premium Motorola demanded for their tablet, there should have been much more quality control testing of not only the hardware but also of Honeycomb. I can easily understand why people are pissed when they spend $850+ dollars on a device and they get home and their browser is crashing on them and their widgets arent working, etc, etc, etc.

muyoso said:
That makes no effing sense. Could you imagine if Apple sold a new Mac Pro and then when people complained that it was glitchy and things werent working that obviously should, their response being "You shouldn't have spent so much money on our device. Don't you know that you are an early adopter? Stop complaining on our forums about your problems." For the premium price Motorola was charging, the tablet should have had next to no bugs.
LOL.
I understand being frustrated by the half of the frontpage of the general section that is people complaining about their Xoom, but realize that the entire "early adopter" excuse is nonsense. Android will never make a dent in the tablet market if every tablet has to be allowed to go through an "early adopter" phase where it is riddled with bugs. No Apple product goes through an "early adopter" phase. Some of their products have flaws, but out of the box you do not see nearly the same amount of issues. For the premium Motorola demanded for their tablet, there should have been much more quality control testing of not only the hardware but also of Honeycomb. I can easily understand why people are pissed when they spend $850+ dollars on a device and they get home and their browser is crashing on them and their widgets arent working, etc, etc, etc.
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I believe anybody who knows anything about android should have expected some issues with apps running on a new version os. If you bought a xoom within the first week of its launch you should expect some bugs to be found. Comparing this to apple products isn't really fair because this is a new platform. This is probably why apple hasn't released a tablet os just because of all the testing that would need to be done. Which im sure they are currently working on. It will just have to be perfect before we see any sign of it. Google on the other hand works entirely differently. Take a look at the first android release on the G1. That system was far from perfect but it was released anyways for people to get their hands on it. It allowed them to start working with it and see what was needed. I understand what your saying but this is nothing new. This is how android has always been. Thays why they release new versions every few months. To fix the code that was wrong in the last and add some new features.
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muyoso said:
That makes no effing sense. Could you imagine if Apple sold a new Mac Pro and then when people complained that it was glitchy and things werent working that obviously should, their response being "You shouldn't have spent so much money on our device. Don't you know that you are an early adopter? Stop complaining on our forums about your problems." For the premium price Motorola was charging, the tablet should have had next to no bugs.
LOL.
I understand being frustrated by the half of the frontpage of the general section that is people complaining about their Xoom, but realize that the entire "early adopter" excuse is nonsense. Android will never make a dent in the tablet market if every tablet has to be allowed to go through an "early adopter" phase where it is riddled with bugs. No Apple product goes through an "early adopter" phase. Some of their products have flaws, but out of the box you do not see nearly the same amount of issues. For the premium Motorola demanded for their tablet, there should have been much more quality control testing of not only the hardware but also of Honeycomb. I can easily understand why people are pissed when they spend $850+ dollars on a device and they get home and their browser is crashing on them and their widgets arent working, etc, etc, etc.
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I stopped reading after your every tablet going thru early adopter phase. You obviously don't know what your talking about. We are early adopted to honeycomb, not so much the Xoom you bafoon. The xoom works fine, the os is what has minor glitches.

muyoso said:
That makes no effing sense. Could you imagine if Apple sold a new Mac Pro and then when people complained that it was glitchy and things werent working that obviously should, their response being "You shouldn't have spent so much money on our device. Don't you know that you are an early adopter? Stop complaining on our forums about your problems." For the premium price Motorola was charging, the tablet should have had next to no bugs.
LOL.
I understand being frustrated by the half of the frontpage of the general section that is people complaining about their Xoom, but realize that the entire "early adopter" excuse is nonsense. Android will never make a dent in the tablet market if every tablet has to be allowed to go through an "early adopter" phase where it is riddled with bugs. No Apple product goes through an "early adopter" phase. Some of their products have flaws, but out of the box you do not see nearly the same amount of issues. For the premium Motorola demanded for their tablet, there should have been much more quality control testing of not only the hardware but also of Honeycomb. I can easily understand why people are pissed when they spend $850+ dollars on a device and they get home and their browser is crashing on them and their widgets arent working, etc, etc, etc.
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The first iPhone had some huge holes in its capabilities. Some would call the lack of flash early on when html5 was nowhere in sight a huge problem. Couldn't send picture messages, pretty sure you couldn't even type in landscape. You just have a short term memory.
We're not asking for it to happen with every tablet. The is the first tablet running 3.0. Where were you when Windows 7 was released? A fantastic OS that was only sort of compatible with things that could run on Vista. Software needed some time to adapt. That's literally all that's happening here.

Welcome to android...
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Didnt Iphone4 have a huge problem with losing signal?

RadDudeTommy said:
Maybe I should fix this cause it was really meant to be harmless. I started this thread after reading a post about someone calling the xoom junk because he/she could not run a few apps he had on his phone on his Xoom. And this was the reason for his return.
Now like I said in that post, I can understad why people would be dissapointed with the Xoom. It shipped with aa **** stock player when it is supposedly suppose to be a media powerhouse, just to mention one of the few things wrong.
However if you purchased a Xoom this early into the game, and expect it to be able to run all your apps from Froyo, you are a damn fool.
It was not a burn to people that decided to take theirs back, just to those that don't understsnd what early adopting is, and for all intensive purpses come here to complain about it.
No one cares that your fb widget doesn't work, and if that is your sole purpose for returning this device you are an idiot for having bought it.
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"for all intensive purposes"???? You mean all intents and purposes....although it is still out of context. And you start your post by calling others fools....pot calling kettle black, innit?

HorsexD said:
Didnt Iphone4 have a huge problem with losing signal?
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Severely blown out of proportion. Don't bring this into this thread lol this is about Xoom glitches...

Is it just me...

Or does it seem like Honeycomb was rushed out. I get a lot of force closes on my browser and other apps that were installed when I get my Xoom. Does anyone else get that?

Nope, it's just you, nobody has never made a thread like this ever in this forum.
Next time put something real in the title.

Google is going to f***ing dissenchant me with all their little f***ing two sided antics. OK I get it, blah blah open f***ing source etc. But you can't have it both ways. You want to make a liberal system that can be taken advantage of freely by developers and promote creativity and freedom, great. But you do half the work and allow the cyanogenmod team to smooth out the rest of the quarks and make your OS closer to an expected consumer user experience, voiding peoples warranty in the process. Even at this point, OK. BUT YOU CAN'T F***ING HAVE THE HARDWARE MANUFACTURERS AND CARRIERS PARADING AROUND LIKE ITS OK TO MILK A HALF BAKED OS BY SUCKING PEOPLE DRY WITH INSANE UNJUSTIFIABLE PRICES, ESPECIALLY WHEN NOT EVEN ONE CENT OF ANY OF THE SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT COMES OUT OF THEIR POCKET.
Google needs to put the f***ing squeeze on these a*****es or realize that they are full of s***.

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Lolololol its a breath of fresh air seeing someone comment with this much emotion
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IndivisibleP said:
Google is going to f***ing dissenchant me with all their little f***ing two sided antics. OK I get it, blah blah open f***ing source etc. But you can't have it both ways. You want to make a liberal system that can be taken advantage of freely by developers and promote creativity and freedom, great. But you do half the work and allow the cyanogenmod team to smooth out the rest of the quarks and make your OS closer to an expected consumer user experience, voiding peoples warranty in the process. Even at this point, OK. BUT YOU CAN'T F***ING HAVE THE HARDWARE MANUFACTURERS AND CARRIERS PARADING AROUND LIKE ITS OK TO MILK A HALF BAKED OS BY SUCKING PEOPLE DRY WITH INSANE UNJUSTIFIABLE PRICES, ESPECIALLY WHEN NOT EVEN ONE CENT OF ANY OF THE SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT COMES OUT OF THEIR POCKET.
Google needs to put the f***ing squeeze on these a*****es or realize that they are full of s***.
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and THE OP
Nobody forced you to buy anything. Is honeycomb perfect? no we already know this. 2.2 or 2.3 is not perfect so not sure what you expected. We got earthquakes, tsunamis, and civil wars going on and you are worried about some force closes. You dont like it dont buy it. You should feel lucky you even have the choice to buy a Xoom. Quit your *****in.

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INSANE UNJUSTIFIABLE PRICES
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Sounds like you can't really afford the Xoom. Maybe you should just take it back and get a refund. Yes, I think that's the best course for everyone involved.

DroidzFX said:
and THE OP
Nobody forced you to buy anything. Is honeycomb perfect? no we already know this. 2.2 or 2.3 is not perfect so not sure what you expected. We got earthquakes, tsunamis, and civil wars going on and you are worried about some force closes. You dont like it dont buy it. You should feel lucky you even have the choice to buy a Xoom. Quit your *****in.
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I wasn't "*****in" as you like to put it I was merely asking a question as to whether this was a common thing or if mine was just having problems and maybe I should reload it or something to fix it. If you can't say anything constructive maybe you should avoid using that 1st amendment right of yours.

matdev said:
I wasn't "*****in" as you like to put it I was merely asking a question as to whether this was a common thing or if mine was just having problems and maybe I should reload it or something to fix it. If you can't say anything constructive maybe you should avoid using that 1st amendment right of yours.
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Maybe you should do some research because this question has been asked several times. If the same question or statement is mentioned over and over then it becomes classified as *****in. Unfortunately you fell into this category.

I think the price is fair...and Moto does have software dev time in it - Kernel time at a minimum. I'm fully aware Google was involved in the design process of the device, but I doubt other than a ton of OEM support to Moto that they actually have a ton of resources invested in the device it self.
I guess no one has looked in to purchasing a 32Gb SSD - those alone are $100.
10" screen ~$100 for just a screen without any touch digitizer
So 200 bucks in cost in 2 pieces of hardware.
One of the problems with the Android community as a whole is everyone whining about price. The price of hardware, the price of apps. The Apple drones could care less about price, they'll pay what they are asked to pay regardless of any other thought than "It's white, it has fruit on it" . I however am a fairly informed consumer and am WILLING to pay for latest and greatest as long as it serves my needs.
However, the lack of HC Source has made me reconsider the purchase....

Kcarpenter said:
I think the price is fair...and Moto does have software dev time in it - Kernel time at a minimum. I'm fully aware Google was involved in the design process of the device, but I doubt other than a ton of OEM support to Moto that they actually have a ton of resources invested in the device it self.
I guess no one has looked in to purchasing a 32Gb SSD - those alone are $100.
10" screen ~$100 for just a screen without any touch digitizer
So 200 bucks in cost in 2 pieces of hardware.
One of the problems with the Android community as a whole is everyone whining about price. The price of hardware, the price of apps. The Apple drones could care less about price, they'll pay what they are asked to pay regardless of any other thought than "It's white, it has fruit on it" . I however am a fairly informed consumer and am WILLING to pay for latest and greatest as long as it serves my needs.
However, the lack of HC Source has made me reconsider the purchase....
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You have to think though, that by not releasing the source.. they are doing their best to avoid some of the issues spoken about previously. Too often manufacturers would like to prey on the uneducated or the early adopters by throwing a half developed piece of hardware out the door, slapping the google android sticker on it.. and then while they profit, they take the good name of Google/Android and drag it through the mud.
Look at the reaction to the original Samsung Galaxy Tab. It was thrown out, with an OS that was not made for a tablet, on hardware not optimized for the design... only to capitalize on the fact that they would be the first out the gate (or at least one of the first). Apple did the same thing, and took their phone OS and blew it up to a larger format. The only reason they succeeded was that they had their system locked down and could ensure that they had a good hardware/software mix. The throngs of iFags everywhere gobble it up because they knew it would be solid enough to satisfy them for a year till the next one comes out and improves on it.
Google is finally learning from Apple in that respect.
By not releasing the sc for HC, they are making sure that they can correct the early issues found with HC in the Xoom, as well as ensure the hardware its installed on meets specific requirements as to not damage their name or their products name. Its not that it wont let it out eventually, but they want to make it as solid as possible before they do. I respect them for that, even if it makes the modding community's job a bit harder in the interim.

Lastly... you can blame the marketing techniques for shady products. Simple people are too excited by shiny products with big words in their advertising, that they get burned by not researching... and those that get burned, cry the most. Those that do their due diligence and research, only blame themselves when they get burned because they overlooked a mistake or failed to prioritize features.

matdev said:
Or does it seem like Honeycomb was rushed out. I get a lot of force closes on my browser and other apps that were installed when I get my Xoom. Does anyone else get that?
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Can you give us some more details? Like, did you root your xoom or are you experiencing all of these force closes on a clean xoom that you just got 2 days ago? Did you throw an image on there, sideload a bunch of apps, etc....
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Many people do not understand when they try to compare the Xoom to a polished product like the iPad that the iPad OS has been around for a while before the iPad even came to market (iTouch, iPhone) and developers had already enough time to work with iOS so when the iPad was released there was not that much difference besides the new screen real estate that they had to adjust their apps for. When the iPad first came out there were some bugs, apps had that BS 2x until they were optimized for the iPad, etc...The Xoom is a brand new product that is sporting new hardware and a brand new OS that developers have not had the opportunity to work on until just recently so if "you" are not an early adopter then please buy an iPad. And if you are going to complain about the price of the Xoom compared to an iPad 2 then please explain how many 16GB WiFi only models are selling for the same price right now as a Xoom.

The entire android os and their very diverse array of devices is the reason it will fail. Kind of the same reason linux have not been able to penetrate the masses. I been a linux user since 92 and even I get overwhelmed sometimes with the amounts of distros out there. Got it that is what open source is about however. that same premises is what hinders its progress. Andoid is too fragmented with companies rushing out devices to the market without been ready, unfortunately the so call "early adopters" do everyone else a deservice by rushing to buy such devices, to compund this, companies are quick to abandon support for devices after a couple of months leaving us at the mercy of freelance developers (which by the way are great)
Yes the xoom and hc were rushed out to the market on an effort to get a headstart on other devices, by now it has been proven that it did now work as expected for them
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neonflx said:
The entire android os and their very diverse array of devices is the reason it will fail. Kind of the same reason linux have not been able to penetrate the masses.
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What? You realize android is the most used smartphone platform worldwide right (ignoring sybian)? If that isn't market penetration I don't know what is.
The API differences from 1.6-2.3 are so minor that application compatibility is really a non issue between operating systems. The only issue is hardware differences really.
Ask the average Joe user what version of android or IOS they are using and they'll ask you "what?". Only the power users ***** and moan about these relatively minor OS updates because they always want the latest thing.
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neonflx said:
The entire android os and their very diverse array of devices is the reason it will fail. Kind of the same reason linux have not been able to penetrate the masses. I been a linux user since 92 and even I get overwhelmed sometimes with the amounts of distros out there. Got it that is what open source is about however. that same premises is what hinders its progress. Andoid is too fragmented with companies rushing out devices to the market without been ready, unfortunately the so call "early adopters" do everyone else a deservice by rushing to buy such devices, to compund this, companies are quick to abandon support for devices after a couple of months leaving us at the mercy of freelance developers (which by the way are great)
Yes the xoom and hc were rushed out to the market on an effort to get a headstart on other devices, by now it has been proven that it did now work as expected for them
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Are you rooting for Android to fail? You know they do have Windows based phones if you don't like android ones. No one is forcing you to buy anything android. This is not a hate forum so unless you actually own a xoom and have a general question/statement regarding the xoom/honeycomb then why not just go find a "I hate android/linux/capitalism" forum.

neonflx said:
The entire android os and their very diverse array of devices is the reason it will fail. Kind of the same reason linux have not been able to penetrate the masses. I been a linux user since 92 and even I get overwhelmed sometimes with the amounts of distros out there. Got it that is what open source is about however. that same premises is what hinders its progress. Andoid is too fragmented with companies rushing out devices to the market without been ready, unfortunately the so call "early adopters" do everyone else a deservice by rushing to buy such devices, to compund this, companies are quick to abandon support for devices after a couple of months leaving us at the mercy of freelance developers (which by the way are great)
Yes the xoom and hc were rushed out to the market on an effort to get a headstart on other devices, by now it has been proven that it did now work as expected for them
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Really? You must have been on a deserted island for the last couple years. My Xoom running Honeycomb works just fine. Someone needs to start a thread titled ***** here so you guys can get together share what type of tampons you prefer.

Very unbiased review of Xoom vs iPad 2 on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2LLDLIHDUBV84/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R2LLDLIHDUBV84
Let's spread this around and vote it up!!

This is truly an unbiased reviews. It shows the XOOM the way it is, warts and all (not that there are very many warts).

Spot on review.

This is very good review I have no regrets for buying my zoom
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c1808us said:
This is very good review I have no regrets for buying my zoom
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Is your 'zoom' better than my xoom?

The review might be unbiased, but it speaks of a very bad no-no about Motorola products: the bugginess of Honeycomb. This is bad because Motorola doesn't support their non-carrier products with updates and bug fixes. This means when Google updates Honeycomb to fix bugs, Motorola will never use it on the Xoom. What you get when you buy the Xoom is all you will ever have.
I'm glad I read that review. I really like the Xoom I played with at a local Best Buy and was contemplating getting one over an iPad2. Now, however, I know Honeycomb isn't perfect. That isn't to say there's anything wrong with Google mobile OSes, they all are buggy in the beginning, but it is a serious issue for the future. I know I would not ever receive any updates from Motorola...and you can't just flash a direct Honeycomb ROM from Google...so I won't bother with it since HC needs work. I will wait for the Samsung Tablet.

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Grow up.
This has to be the most immature thread I've ever had to suffer through reading. Everyone needs to stop flaming each other, or we will remove you from our community.
I'm not closing / deleting this thread (yet), because I believe the original post has a review that should be read. But don't for a minute think I won't take action against disrespectful users.
We're all adults here, right? I'm here to be your moderator, not your babysitter. Grow up.

MartyLK said:
The review might be unbiased, but it speaks of a very bad no-no about Motorola products: the bugginess of Honeycomb. This is bad because Motorola doesn't support their non-carrier products with updates and bug fixes. This means when Google updates Honeycomb to fix bugs, Motorola will never use it on the Xoom. What you get when you buy the Xoom is all you will ever have.
I'm glad I read that review. I really like the Xoom I played with at a local Best Buy and was contemplating getting one over an iPad2. Now, however, I know Honeycomb isn't perfect. That isn't to say there's anything wrong with Google mobile OSes, they all are buggy in the beginning, but it is a serious issue for the future. I know I would not ever receive any updates from Motorola...and you can't just flash a direct Honeycomb ROM from Google...so I won't bother with it since HC needs work. I will wait for the Samsung Tablet.
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This is the second thread I've seen you mention that Moto doesn't update non-carrier devices. Can you provide some reference here? I'm trying to understand how you think that the XOOM isn't going to get updates, especially since it has already received one and there are more on the way. The XOOM is a Google experience device and will get updates, and quicker than the Samsung products which will have to wait for TouchWiz to be pasted over top. After watching many Galaxy S users on carriers in the US wait for Froyo Samsung would be the last manufacturer I'd purchase from.
Back to the review, I also thought it was balanced. iOS is always very polished though it may lack some functionality and features. What it does do it typically does well. The iPad 2 is a device that my wife would appreciate very much and the XOOM is a device that I would prefer and will eventually pick up. I spent a number of years with Nokia Maemo tablets, waiting for Nokia and the community to fix issues and develop. I see a way better experience to come here than I did there.

this sounds like a similar review someone gave awhile ago - I'm still hoping my Xoom comes through next week...
also yes as mentioned - Motorola won't be updating the OS on Xoom - Google will be providing the updates - which is fine - it's one of the good reasons to buy one over the Samsung

great review really... I know the iPad 2 has pros over the XOOM but most pros are due to lack of user knowledge (like interface or apps...) so this is a spot-on review for people like us who know their mobile OS
I can't wait to get mine ... damn best buy canada... april 15th pre-order

Gorgonesh said:
T he XOOM is a Google experience device and will get updates, and quicker than the Samsung products which will have to wait for TouchWiz to be pasted over top. After watching many Galaxy S users on carriers in the US wait for Froyo Samsung would be the last manufacturer I'd purchase from.
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It seems a lot of people over here on the Xoom boards are desperately trying to convince themselves that the Samsung tablets will be horribly undated devices. While I can see by their track records that this may most likely be the scenario, they do actually manage to properly update some of their devices. And it should not be that difficult at all to update 2 tablets with little carrier interaction.
Considering the fact that the Samsung tablets have a better screen and a more thinner profile, I would most likely get them over the Xoom regardless of Samsung's interaction.

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This is the second thread I've seen you mention that Moto doesn't update non-carrier devices. Can you provide some reference here? I'm trying to understand how you think that the XOOM isn't going to get updates, especially since it has already received one and there are more on the way. The XOOM is a Google experience device and will get updates, and quicker than the Samsung products which will have to wait for TouchWiz to be pasted over top. After watching many Galaxy S users on carriers in the US wait for Froyo Samsung would be the last manufacturer I'd purchase from.
Back to the review, I also thought it was balanced. iOS is always very polished though it may lack some functionality and features. What it does do it typically does well. The iPad 2 is a device that my wife would appreciate very much and the XOOM is a device that I would prefer and will eventually pick up. I spent a number of years with Nokia Maemo tablets, waiting for Nokia and the community to fix issues and develop. I see a way better experience to come here than I did there.
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I provided a link in my...erm...second post in this thread, I think it was. My main concern with buying devices of this nature that need updating often is that the makers might tend to disregard their products once they are bought. I'm not rich enough to take a chance on it. Motorola has been known to not support their products over their lifetime so that people will be moved to replace the product with a newer one. Motorola, Samsung, LG and pretty much all of the companies that make devices of this nature do the same. They are in this business with one motive: to make more money. They can't make money wasting time supporting older devices...even though they should. Motorola is in the worse position of them all because they are barely hanging on in the market.
When you know this about a company and then read user reviews that say the same thing, you know there is a serious issue. The link I posted was of a user review on Amazon that says the same thing I do. I already had this knowledge of Motorola prior to reading or knowing of the Amazon user review.
When I made my first post in this section...a completely different thread...I wasn't mindful of this concern with Motorola devices. Then, after having issued the post, I read this thread and started thinking about what I already know and have heard about not just Motorola but all of these device makers. It caused me to have a change of heart about seeking to acquire a Xoom or even the Samsung tablet, when it arrives.
This is why I made additional posts on the matter, to which some people accused me of trolling rather than understanding what had happened. They chose to quickly jump to the assumption I was being a troll rather than contemplating the situation and giving the benefit of the doubt. Their error is not my fault.
I own many Apple products and never respond negatively to people who spit out trash talk about them. I own many other products that get trash-talked from time to time. But I never respond negatively because I allow humans the freedom of saying what they want. They, however, refuse to allow me the same freedom.

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This is the second thread I've seen you mention that Moto doesn't update non-carrier devices. Can you provide some reference here? I'm trying to understand how you think that the XOOM isn't going to get updates, especially since it has already received one and there are more on the way. The XOOM is a Google experience device and will get updates, and quicker than the Samsung products which will have to wait for TouchWiz to be pasted over top. After watching many Galaxy S users on carriers in the US wait for Froyo Samsung would be the last manufacturer I'd purchase from.
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Agreed, I don't know where this perception is coming from.
Also, don't forget that HTC tablets will get delayed updates as well since they'll be running Sense for HC. Looks like Xoom might be the one getting the quickest updates since we're still on the stock HC experience.

[INFO] Asus could have an ipad killer here

If Asus can keep up the speed they're showing so far in addressing issues, smoothing out bugs and adding new features. I do belive Transformer can grab a lot of money out of Apple's hands.Even my ipad devotee friends are seriously impressed with the kind of support Asus is throwing down here, truly raising the bar.

I dont know. First off, they gotta actually make enough tablets to sell. Second, the ipad has sold millions. The xoom about 200k... that's a pretty big gap.

Its quite possible but Asus must get serious about quality control.

Raised the bar?
Raised the bar on support? I think that's being very generous to them. So far, I've been using a product where half of it doesn't work at all, and the other half crashes every half an hour or so.
This was absolutely unfit to be released and makes me wish I'd gone with a windows tablet instead. The drivers provided by asus are so far terrible and the software provided by google is immature.
The only reason I'm sticking with it is that Asus has a good attitude toward their customers and I'm confident they will resolve the issue quickly. As it stands I'm embarassed to show this product to anyone.

My 2 cents is the iPad sales will be impacted not by a particular Android table, but by the fleet of Android tablets coming to market. This how Android overtook Apple in the cell phone market. While there are certain people that will always buy the Apple product, when there a dozen other models in different sizes and with unique features (like the docking ability of the transformer) it becomes hard to settle for the iPad.
With that said, it would be great to see Apple come out with a docking station for the iPad. That would validate the concept and create other tablet/notebook combos in the Android space.

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Raised the bar on support? I think that's being very generous to them. So far, I've been using a product where half of it doesn't work at all, and the other half crashes every half an hour or so.
This was absolutely unfit to be released and makes me wish I'd gone with a windows tablet instead. The drivers provided by asus are so far terrible and the software provided by google is immature.
The only reason I'm sticking with it is that Asus has a good attitude toward their customers and I'm confident they will resolve the issue quickly. As it stands I'm embarassed to show this product to anyone.
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i'd think embarassed is a bit of a stretch.....

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Raised the bar on support? I think that's being very generous to them. So far, I've been using a product where half of it doesn't work at all, and the other half crashes every half an hour or so.
This was absolutely unfit to be released and makes me wish I'd gone with a windows tablet instead. The drivers provided by asus are so far terrible and the software provided by google is immature.
The only reason I'm sticking with it is that Asus has a good attitude toward their customers and I'm confident they will resolve the issue quickly. As it stands I'm embarassed to show this product to anyone.
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Have you updated your firmware yet? The latest FOTA has fixed issues for many people.
Folks who buy 1st release hardware have to have a lot of patience as early adopters are guinea pigs, we spot all the problems so that the OEM can fix them. In return we get the joy of having the hardware first, of getting to know it inside and out and the pride of knowing that we've hopefully contributed to making it a better product for untold numbers of fellow consumers.
Also, how much research did you do before you bought? What are your portable system needs? If in fact your needs would have been served better by a Windows tablet why did you chose one running the Honeycomb OS which is acknowledged by all to be in its infancy?
Thus far, Asus has been listening ,communicating with members here,firmware updates are being rolled out pretty quickly to fix issues.
I'm very pleased with my purchase & proud of my new tablet

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As it stands I'm embarassed to show this product to anyone.
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Wow, I'd never be embarrassed to show a product to someone. Honestly, I couldn't care less what other people think about my purchases. If I like it, that's good enough for me.
Oh, and I love my TF, so...

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Thus far, Asus has been listening ,communicating with members here,firmware updates are being rolled out pretty quickly to fix issues.
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Absolutely. The Xoom still doesn't have a functioning microSD card slot, even though they're the Google Experience device (perhaps informally at this point). Sure, they got 3.1, but that's only because Motorola was first--which they achieved by putting out a tablet with far less functionality than the TF.
My Xoom will be going back to Costco soon, and one of the biggest reasons is that Motorola has been sooooo slow in updating it.

Asus updates are great but its still falls well short of the ipad perfected UI.
Once Tegra 3 hits things should start to even out.

Completely agree about Motorola being slow to update. In general I have a Droid X, i am super unsatisfied with the quality of their software. Thats one of the reasons I sterred clear of the Xoom. There are many ther reasons as well, but thats a big one.

I really don't think it's unreasonable as a customer to buy a computer with a keyboard and expect it to work
I researched this a lot. The lack of bloat on android as opposed to windows makes for a good platform with good battery life and it runs citrix really nicely which is great for work. The reviews were positive and sure any niggles would be resolved by launch. Great I thought.
Sadly it wasn't to be. I've updated to the latest website ww. Firmware but no ota as yet

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Asus updates are great but its still falls well short of the ipad perfected UI.
Once Tegra 3 hits things should start to even out.
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You do realize that Apple has had like 4 years to perfect iOS, right? This is the first iteration of Honeycomb, and it's much more an OS issue (Google) than it is a hardware issue (Tegra 2/Asus).

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Asus updates are great but its still falls well short of the ipad perfected UI.
Once Tegra 3 hits things should start to even out.
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A Processor/Graphics chipset doesn't = perfected UI. Honestly I prefer the UI of Android to iOS because it is customiseable. To me Android 3.0 has exceeded iOS in terms of ease of use and more. My biggest gripe with iOS is that it is so simple it can be difficult. Settings and tricks are hidden from the average user and aren't that easy to use, like the Multitasking. To close an open program/switch to one fast it isn't easy like it is on Android.
Either way Tegra 3 just means more power for games and more, not a perfect UI.
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Until Hardware acceleration is implemented in all parts of the UI you will not have a completely silky smooth experience unless you throw lots of horsepower at it, which just equals wasted battery. It's the software that needs to be updated. Android 3.1 is supposed to bring video acceleration which is needed to get the most out of the newest flash updates. From the reviews it also sounds like hardware acceleration was implemented in the launcher as well.

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I really don't think it's unreasonable as a customer to buy a computer with a keyboard and expect it to work
I researched this a lot. The lack of bloat on android as opposed to windows makes for a good platform with good battery life and it runs citrix really nicely which is great for work. The reviews were positive and sure any niggles would be resolved by launch. Great I thought.
Sadly it wasn't to be. I've updated to the latest website ww. Firmware but no ota as yet
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My point to you is this, why would you chose to buy a 1st release piece of hardware running an OS that's still under development if you needed a rock solid,proven stable system for work? The fact that Honeycomb is still lacking is pretty well known, even the most casual of Google searches turns up tons of reviews complaining about how undeveloped the OS is.It would stand to reason that ANY tablet running this OS is going to be subject to it's limitations at this point and the bugs that go along with it.
I'm sorry for your troubles and hope the OTA update fixes your issues or that you'll be able to return your TF for a full refund and be able to get the windows tablet that will better serve your immediate needs.

No way is this close to an apple killer. Neither is all of the android tablets combined. Apple is the king of the tablet marketplace and android is the queen. Good thing they are both at the top though. Oh...i have a TF on the way and cant wait...not too impressed with ipads.

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No way is this close to an apple killer. Neither is all of the android tablets combined. Apple is the king of the tablet marketplace and android is the queen. Good thing they are both at the top though. Oh...i have a TF on the way and cant wait...not too impressed with ipads.
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I'd agree, the TF isn't an iPad killer. What Apple excels at making are "stupid-proof" consumer electronics. They are designed to be easy to use and stable. This stability comes at a cost, however. Apple products are locked down primarily to provide this stability. There is a solid market for Apple's equipment. If you were buying a tablet or smart phone for your elderly mother/father or recommending something for technologically challenged boss, iPad or iPhone is a great choice because it will just work.
Personally, I prefer the Android tablet because it doesn't have the lock down and is what I consider more "open". I have the TF and love it. I love that I don't have to use iTunes and I love that I can plug in a micro SD card if I want. I love that I can plug it in and actually access the data via computer and I love the form factor of the device. Oh, I also love the money I saved!! I'd put it up against an iPad any day for someone who understands the occasional FC and someone who has the patience to understand what we're dealing with. It's faster, more powerful and has the potential to do MORE than the iPad will ever be able to do.
iPad killer? Not likely. Solid competitor? ABSOLUTELY! Options are a wonderful thing.

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No way is this close to an apple killer. Neither is all of the android tablets combined. Apple is the king of the tablet marketplace and android is the queen. Good thing they are both at the top though. Oh...i have a TF on the way and cant wait...not too impressed with ipads.
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Apple is sumed up in these words brilliant marketing average product
sent from my LEE Pad Transformer........I wish

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As it stands I'm embarassed to show this product to anyone.
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After reading that i couldn't help but laugh, i was buying an SD card for it and the guy at the store wanted to know what i was using it on. When i told him, he asked if i had it with me and if he could try it out; another employee came over right away to see.

I'm happy with my Xoom and with motorola

Hi. Just wanted to start a thread to counter all those complaint threads about not having everything we want from the xoom. It seems that about half of the Xoom threads on this site degrade after a page or two of posts into complaints about how either motorola or google is failing their customers. I for one am pretty happy with my xoom. I understood when I got it that this is an early adopter situation, and that the kinks are being worked out. I don't mind not having 4g yet; most cities don't have it either and, really, I can't think of anything that I need it for (that 3g isn't sufficiently quick enough to handle). I don't mind not having an SD card since I really don't want to spend the money on one that will significantly increase the 32g that's already in my xoom. I don't mind that motorola missed their deadline; kind of hoping they'll put together some package to thank users, like a free peripheral or some kind of upgrade discount to the xoom 2. I like my xoom, even though I still use my laptop more. I don't think the 3.1 update was that great, so I'm not sure I get all the non-US users freaking out about not having it. I just think we need to calm down, take a deep breath, and enjoy this new tablet experience. This tech stuff moves pretty quick; but our collective ADD is going a bit crazy with expecting a seven-month-old tech to be everything we want and more; getting angry that there's new things out that cost less (really? suprised that the first one cost more? come on now...); flipping out over not having perfected hardware.
If you agree that the Xoom is a great piece of tech, comment below. Please don't comment if all you want to do is complain about motorola or google. There's plenty of other threads for complaining.

Me too!
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I completely agree. There is always a cost for being an early adopter and there will always be something newer, cheaper, etc. on the horizon. I am very happy with my Xoom and am using it more and more each day. I hardly ever turn my laptop on at home anymore.

You post on xda and still don't have a working SD card reader?

well, his nickname suggests he's a slacker. lol. just joking.
but slack, I'm glad you loved your xoom. as do I. but I recommend rooting so that you can at least work around some of the issues.
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Agreed. There is nothing my xoom can't do that I expected it too when I shelled out for it.
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Sure the Xoom has its shortcomings, but doesn't almost every device?
The fact that it's a Google Experience device keeps it at the head of the pack for me, honestly. I just wish we had more correspondence from Motorola updating about the LTE and microSD card updates.
Then again, now with Google Music and Plex, I really don't need that much local storage, so the microSD card affects me less today than it did before Google Music.
I have since sold my MacBook and use my tablet for browsing on the couch or bed. Sure, the Galaxy Tab 10.1 looks great, but it has Touch Wiz, and it came out 4-5 months later.

Thanks for this thread. It's nice to read positive comments with all of the complaining going on. I've been happily surprised by the Xoom...the build quality and hardware potential, the OS and the smoothness of use, the the apps, the wonderful kernels and roms from our developers, all have contributed to a great experience. I do wish that some of the apps that were available for the Xoom before would be available again. The Xoom has replaced my laptop and I use it all the time.

the only things i really want are a bluetooth + keyboard compatability fix, and netflix.

I am quite content with my xoom as well. I agree with pekosROB that Motorola could communicate with their customers better but that is my main criticism. (In reality I can't think of any android manufacturer who communicates with their customers as clearly as I would like. Ah well)
Cheers

Well lets see, 3.1 adds support for a bluetooth mouse and USB host capability. Those two things alone make the update nessescary. Theres rumours of 3.2 coming out within the next few days and the rest of the world doesnt even have 3.1. Since your in the states you have the 3.1 update and soon to have 3.2 so you don't really see the point of everyones argument that doesn't have the update, all we get is a *soon*

I love my Xoom as well and yes I knew what I was buying, the problem I have with Motorola and as many many others have is they announced an update to 3.1 soon , In Canada that was over 2 months ago, then rumors of Xoom 2 start, then 3.2 is mentioned it could be here within days and the world outside the USA doe not even have 3.1 yet, then the 3.1 roll out starts but very slow and it starts in Asia, so yes many people ticked at Motorola, and yes I still love my Xoom, even though it cant do yet what it was promised it would or could do.

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Hi. Just wanted to start a thread to counter all those complaint threads about not having everything we want from the xoom.
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Hail Motorola! You can do no wrong. And even if you do wrong, I'll make believe that it's greatest thing since the invention of breast implants.
By the way, I like my Xoom, I just will never by another Motorola product again, because Motorola's support of their work-in-progress Xoom has been incompetent bordering on negligent.
After releasing their incomplete Xoom 4 and a half months ago, to beat the iPad 2 to market, completing the Xoom should have been Motorola's first support priority.
To me, lack of actions speak louder than excuses.
It's over 4 months now, and all we have to show for our wait is nothing, nada, zilch!
And that's also describes the future relationship between me and Motorola....nothing, nada, zilch!
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I'm also happy with my Xoom 3G.

I am pretty happy with the Xoom as well. I rooted mine minutes after buying and haven't looked back. I have SDCard support and can't recall ever really using it outside of flashing ROMS. I don't see what the big deal is about a SDCard when you have Google Music, Dropbox and Plex. 32GB of storage is more than enough for books, magazines, apps and games. I think when Moto does release the SDcard update, people will realize on a tablet with 32gb of storage, SDcards aren't really needed.
My only gripe is that Google and Moto have not done enough to get app developers on board with Honeycomb. Google has a great platform to build on. We need a bigger selection of Honeycomb apps. I don't think simply dropping the SDK and saying "Here you go guys", in a keynote is going to bring on the Android adoption. Google may want to start adding some financial incentive to some of the really talented iOS devs. Hardware alone won't sell these tablets. Great apps are what draw people from one device to the next.
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I'm very happy with mine. It does everything I need it to do. It has offloaded a great deal of work from my work laptop. I now do personal travel only with my Xoom rather than carrying the laptop and all those peripherals.
I will be happier when I can use my SD cards. I will be happier when we go to 4G. However, I am not going to dis the Xoom or Motorola for my buying a product that many of you consider defective. I did my research and knew what I was getting.

I love my Xoom, nothing is wrong with it. However, Motorola really needs to get in gear. I understand early adopting, but promises shouldn't be broken, whether 4g lte is a necissary upgrade or not, after the 90 day promise we should have been greater not only with a reason for the failure, but also an expected timeframe. We are just left to sit and wonder. Its not even like i feel like sending my xoom in for a business week, but its something they used to advertise the tablet with, which means it should have just happened when it was suppose too. I dont know if it didnt because of 4g radio shortages or because motorola decided to put the time and effort into more money making products, and thats the problem i have, i dont know why i didnt get it. And about the SD card, I think we all know that won't be fixed till icecream sandwich, so whatever.
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agree too. but for me 3.1 was a big improvement.. atleast for speed n browser... no more fc

Me tooo...of all the android tabs out there as far as build quality goes xoom is on par with apple thing is bulletproof. Also that fact that moto hasnt released 100 different verisons of its tablet says a lot about the company Xoom is there main tablet focus until the new stuff comes out. Not like the other that have a 10 7 9 5 inch tablet. I think some folks complain to complain. No device is perfect but xoom is pretty damn close. Only thing missing are a few more local case choices.

my xoom has replaced my laptop for most everything, besides the most power hungry tasks. While I'm in Canada and still don't have an official 3.1 update, lets be honest here..... who hasn't impatienty waited for official android updates in the past? Waited for close to a year for my hero to be upgraded, my liquid e was 8 months, oh and my galaxy s? That took forever too. I think all we can do is thank our lucky stars that sites like xda exist, and that such talented devs work so hard to bring us all the roms and upgrades we need before even the manufacturers can