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Hey guys,
I've been mulling over getting the older generation Nexus 7 (2012) because frankly I want to save money, and I'm not a hardcore tablet user. Mainly surfing the web, reading eBooks, playing a few light games like Jetpack Joyride. This thread is an offshoot of this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2573999.
However, based on my experience with my TF201, performance degrades over time and I was wondering if it's a good idea to pick up an older generation Nexus 7. The older generation appeals to me because of the price for a tablet with mobile data support, but if it slows down to a point where it's pretty much unusable due to eMMC degradation over time, then it's a no-go for me as I plan to keep the tablet for a minimum of 2 years. Official Android support isn't really a selling point since there's always custom ROMs for the Nexus 7.
Please let me know what you guys think. Much appreciated.
Cheers,
deltatux
deltatux said:
Hey guys,
I've been mulling over getting the older generation Nexus 7 (2012) because frankly I want to save money, and I'm not a hardcore tablet user. Mainly surfing the web, reading eBooks, playing a few light games like Jetpack Joyride. This thread is an offshoot of this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2573999.
However, based on my experience with my TF201, performance degrades over time and I was wondering if it's a good idea to pick up an older generation Nexus 7. The older generation appeals to me because of the price for a tablet with mobile data support, but if it slows down to a point where it's pretty much unusable due to eMMC degradation over time, then it's a no-go for me as I plan to keep the tablet for a minimum of 2 years. Official Android support isn't really a selling point since there's always custom ROMs for the Nexus 7.
Please let me know what you guys think. Much appreciated.
Cheers,
deltatux
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I've a nexus 7 wifi (grouper) since 1 year now, and effectively it seems like the performances are degrading over time.
I have to wipe / reinstall a fresh rom every few month to keep it usable..
The hardware does not degrade, period. However as it fills it gets more fragmented and has to clean up more often. This has all been talked about a lot, probably look for previous threads on this subject.
This problem is not a big deal on 4.3 and newer as long as you leave at least 3 gigs free on storage.
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This problem is not a big deal on 4.3 and newer as long as you leave at least 3 gigs free on storage.
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That's my problem. With all the android humble bundle i have + multirom (and roms installed on local storage) my free space is very low
Even with android 4.3 and TRIM, my nexus is very slow..
khaytsus said:
The hardware does not degrade, period. However as it fills it gets more fragmented and has to clean up more often. This has all been talked about a lot, probably look for previous threads on this subject.
This problem is not a big deal on 4.3 and newer as long as you leave at least 3 gigs free on storage.
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So pretty much, ensure you have ample space on the device and you're good to go still? My TF201 has like 15 GB free (I don't have too much to store tbh) and it lags like crazy. So it seems that the eMMC problem on the TF201 doesn't affect the older Nexus 7?
Thanks,
deltatux
deltatux said:
So pretty much, ensure you have ample space on the device and you're good to go still? My TF201 has like 15 GB free (I don't have too much to store tbh) and it lags like crazy. So it seems that the eMMC problem on the TF201 doesn't affect the older Nexus 7?
Thanks,
deltatux
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There's no "emmc problem" on devices. the EMMC does not degrade. Would it eventually over time start failing? Of course. In normal usage in a few years? No.
If you factory reset it'd be exactly like it was the day you took it out of the box.
The problem is that it gets fragmented and starts having to do more erase-before-write cycles, which causes lag.
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There's no "emmc problem" on devices. the EMMC does not degrade. Would it eventually over time start failing? Of course. In normal usage in a few years? No.
If you factory reset it'd be exactly like it was the day you took it out of the box.
The problem is that it gets fragmented and starts having to do more erase-before-write cycles, which causes lag.
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There is no way that performance will degrade within a month of usage since last reset on a tablet that has 15 GB free space. I barely do a lot of write operations myself. I understand the operating system does, but within a month? That's ridiculous, even more phone which I don't reset often does not exhibit the problem, not even close (I have a Nexus 4).
deltatux
My 1 year old 32 gb nexus 7 is surely slower than 1 year ago... I tried every rom, from cyano 10 to cyano 11 (slim bean also) and with all these roms, it lags... (Also after factory reset) also my old galaxy sl is not as fast as when it was new. Memory degrade it's a big problem, because after it's been damaged, because of normal use, it doesn't became new, even after a factory reset. I think there is a degrade of memory (and producers want this...it's consumisn).
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I am a flash whore and I have had a nexus 7 32gb since it first came out . I have not bought the new one and I am holding on until the next version. I have 5gb free and I just replaced the battery yesterday in it, the old battery wasnt bad I have just used the living hell out of the thing. I am talking non stop use with many many runs down to 1-2percent battery left. I got a OEM ASUS replacement. My current Rom is Purity Rom with ART and M kernel set at 1000MHZ max and min 340MHZ and is set as ONDEMAND. my tablet is fast and does not have lag
Joe Federsel
khaytsus said:
There's no "emmc problem" on devices. the EMMC does not degrade. Would it eventually over time start failing? Of course. In normal usage in a few years? No.
If you factory reset it'd be exactly like it was the day you took it out of the box.
The problem is that it gets fragmented and starts having to do more erase-before-write cycles, which causes lag.
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Isn't there a way to defragment without going through a wipe?
What about lagfix and TRIM?
+jfed You dirty whore. actually: you clean whore! don't you think that flashing so often has helped you keep away from the 2-3 month degradation? When I'm flashing regularly and checking out new ROMs it does seem to stay very fast, but after about 2 months with one rom it seems to bog down terribly. It is crazy that on a 12.9gb free machine that you'd need to keep 40% of it as free space, but maybe that's the only real fix.
BTW, if you've been flashing so much, maybe you can point us to a setup that's working well for you or that you would go back to if you could keep your hands out of your recovery console.
I'm going to try stock 4.2.1 for a few months and see if that degrades too and after that I think I'll just try to figure out how to keep 5+gb of free space open, which would mean deleting a ton of videos of cats in rollerskates.
Hello guys
This device was launched Here in Brazil a few months ago.
I would like one onwer's feedback about this device cause i wanna buy
tks
MJ
mjraogr said:
Hello guys
This device was launched Here in Brazil a few months ago.
I would like one onwer's feedback about this device cause i wanna buy
tks
MJ
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The phone is OK for a normal user It has all most all the features of a smart phone and i am using it for the last 6 moths didn't face any problems,i feel that MIUI software is not so user friendly in the beginning but once you get used to it you will like it.
kvrangarao said:
The phone is OK for a normal user It has all most all the features of a smart phone and i am using it for the last 6 moths didn't face any problems,i feel that MIUI software is not so user friendly in the beginning but once you get used to it you will like it.
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Tks @kvrangarao for reply
I already use MIUI in another device. It's really good and like it so much
The performance for normal use without force hardware its enough for me
Tks one more time
Beware the enormous lag, the ROM is extremely slow, the phone wont be upgraded to Android 5, it will remain on 4.4.4 KK.
Miui 7 is really a 4.4.4 for this device. (only a few Xiaomi phones will get Lollipop)
I have a Redmi 2 for 5 months, Xiaomi iare not planning to develop Lollipop for this smartphone.
gabrielaltea said:
Beware the enormous lag, the ROM is extremely slow, the phone wont be upgraded to Android 5, it will remain on 4.4.4 KK.
Miui 7 is really a 4.4.4 for this device. (only a few Xiaomi phones will get Lollipop)
I have a Redmi 2 for 5 months, Xiaomi iare not planning to develop Lollipop for this smartphone.
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Hello @gabrielaltea tks for reply
Which MI app or system process include in Redmi 2 are you got lag? Can you explain better?
About update for Android 5, usually i try to analyze custom roms available for each device and others development support existent . We have some development in progress like CM 5.1 with some issues to fix
MJ
Any development thread for this phone?
Sent from my 2014817 using Tapatalk
The phone is great in it's price range!
Hi! I've been using the Redmi2 4G version for a couple of months now, and I think I'm ready to give an opinion on it, to the best of my abilities.
For this price range, it's actually very tough to beat the Redmi 2, with specs. The looks are premium, you won't feel like using a cheap Chinese-build phone, it's actually well made. I have an issue with the back panel finish, it's rather slippery despite being matte. I'm pretty sure you would have researched on it's specs, so you would know, that it is THE DEAL for it's price category.
The back camera is pretty good, macro mode is specifically good, but night photography isn't that great. Front camera's performance is rather satisfactory.
Battery is pretty good, lasts a day for me, with moderate usage.
There are NO heating issues with my phone. Off course, if you will play Asphalt for a couple of hours straight, it is bound to heat up.
Display is pretty intriguing for a budget phone.
If you've used MIUI in the past, you would know of it's resemblance with the iOS. While MIUI is pleasing to the eyes, and pretty simple to use and learn, I would add, that it's best for the 2GB RAM phones. MIUI with a 1GB RAM phone sucks BIG time, so, yeah, Redmi2 has issues here, lagging, crashing apps at times.
Now, since I prefer the stock-android feel better, I have flashed mine with a pretty stable CM11 ROM.
If you're a heavy gamer, I recommend you to browse phones in higher price ranges. Redmi2 is a good everyday usage phone, but certainly NOT the one for heavy gamers.
Long cut short:- Go for it, it is pretty awesome. P.S. - I don't know if Redmi 2's Prime version(2GB RAM) is available in your country, if it is, rather go for that.
Cheers.
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Hi! I've been using the Redmi2 4G version for a couple of months now, and I think I'm ready to give an opinion on it, to the best of my abilities.
For this price range, it's actually very tough to beat the Redmi 2, with specs. The looks are premium, you won't feel like using a cheap Chinese-build phone, it's actually well made. I have an issue with the back panel finish, it's rather slippery despite being matte. I'm pretty sure you would have researched on it's specs, so you would know, that it is THE DEAL for it's price category.
The back camera is pretty good, macro mode is specifically good, but night photography isn't that great. Front camera's performance is rather satisfactory.
Battery is pretty good, lasts a day for me, with moderate usage.
There are NO heating issues with my phone. Off course, if you will play Asphalt for a couple of hours straight, it is bound to heat up.
Display is pretty intriguing for a budget phone.
If you've used MIUI in the past, you would know of it's resemblance with the iOS. While MIUI is pleasing to the eyes, and pretty simple to use and learn, I would add, that it's best for the 2GB RAM phones. MIUI with a 1GB RAM phone sucks BIG time, so, yeah, Redmi2 has issues here, lagging, crashing apps at times.
Now, since I prefer the stock-android feel better, I have flashed mine with a pretty stable CM11 ROM.
If you're a heavy gamer, I recommend you to browse phones in higher price ranges. Redmi2 is a good everyday usage phone, but certainly NOT the one for heavy gamers.
Long cut short:- Go for it, it is pretty awesome. P.S. - I don't know if Redmi 2's Prime version(2GB RAM) is available in your country, if it is, rather go for that.
Cheers.
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Tks @rg666 for this feed
Really i got it attention and look for Redmi 2 cause the specs and good price tag. I use today a Quadcore cortex armv7 snapdragon 200 , but without version updates upper JB 1 (4.1.2) we waiting so far , but the factory strategically isn't willing to put lot of money for invest licences .
This situation made me take a decision to start development at point to create my own roms
I like very much about MIUI, used on my own others devices ( Defy Mb526 Atrix 4G) . One of my works development was inspired by MIUI V6 , creating my design and ported some MI apps for package
I really have interest to get one Redmi. Here just Redmi 2 it's avaliable in local market but others devices will be launched soon like MI 4
Cheers
One more thing
mjraogr said:
Tks @rg666 for this feed
Really i got it attention and look for Redmi 2 cause the specs and good price tag. I use today a Quadcore cortex armv7 snapdragon 200 , but without version updates upper JB 1 (4.1.2) we waiting so far , but the factory strategically isn't willing to put lot of money for invest licences .
This situation made me take a decision to start development at point to create my own roms
I like very much about MIUI, used on my own others devices ( Defy Mb526 Atrix 4G) . One of my works development was inspired by MIUI V6 , creating my design and ported some MI apps for package
I really have interest to get one Redmi. Here just Redmi 2 it's avaliable in local market but others devices will be launched soon like MI 4
Cheers
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Don't expect Lollipop update for Redmi2. The Mi team isn't quite interested in giving Lollipop updates. So, that's quite a letdown.
I am facing a problem with the phone, there is poor microphone sound at other end. Anyone know any solution to this issue? Please help
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Don't expect Lollipop update for Redmi2. The Mi team isn't quite interested in giving Lollipop updates. So, that's quite a letdown.
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Maybe the Mi Team in not interested in Redmi2, but there's something on the stage right now. This CM 12.1 release is really awesome:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/development/rom-cyanogenmod-unofficial-builds-t3200883
drsgon said:
I am facing a problem with the phone, there is poor microphone sound at other end. Anyone know any solution to this issue? Please help
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Did tou try change roms? Like MIUI to CM or CM to MIUI. If yes you can change some options in development menu tried search on google. :good:
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Don't expect Lollipop update for Redmi2. The Mi team isn't quite interested in giving Lollipop updates. So, that's quite a letdown.
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I have information published in local news homepages that the Redmi 2 will be updated for MI 7 and avaliable in "Betta Supported devices List"
You can check here , but in portugues language
cheers
This is the M7 incremental Development avaliable
Redmi 2 Official dowloads
I'm one of the first buyers here in Brazil. On the launching event, the MIUI Brazilian website got bugged and fewer people was able to buy (I'm one of them, hacking the page).
I got a few complains:
the HDR Camera is laggy as hell when I take pictures.
There's no app drawer.
Sometimes I'm unable to unlock the phone, because of lag (I think). Seriously, this is annoying.
When phone gets too slow, when I go to the home screen the interface reloads itself.
Playing games like Fallout Shelter is a big problem, lagging as hell.
1GB RAM isn't enough for the phone (for me, at least) .
Sometimes the phone heats so much.
The phone has a x64 architecture, but the MIUI is 32 bits. Sounds like a waste of processing power.
There's no support forum for Brazilian users in the official boards.
No Lollipop support and no plans to receive update.
Things I liked:
Built-in security, like Antivirus and cleaning app.
The interface is so beautiful.
LTE (4G here in Brazil) for BOTH sim cards.
I can Easily switch wich sim card to make a call, send SMS or use Mobile data.
The frontal camera has a special facial recognition, telling the age, for example.
The phone charges super fast (2200 mAh battery).
It's cheap, compared to other phones. It costs less than $ 150 (at the time I bought it).
I don't think that I'm a hard user for this phone (seriously, I didn't even play so much on the phone). I know it's a mid-term smart phone. But the MIUI lag is annoying (I got crazy sometimes). I tried to use the beta versions of the MIUI rom, tried to use performance scripts, Greenify, other camera apps.
Now I'm using a customized CM 12.1 for the device, to see if I'm able to use easily the phone, like driving in my car, got lost and easily open Waze or Google Maps to see where I need to go. Actually, I need to stop and park the car, clean current apps (some times reboot) to properly use.
nice reply @juliovedovatto
i have for several days a 2GB RAM / 16 GB ROM version and I can say that I have none of the below mentioned lagging problems.
What else is different in my setup is that I am already on MIUI 7 developer.
I should admit also that I did not play any game.
Coming from an Iphone I am kind of used of not having an app drawer and MIUI 7 is pretty eye candy...
Right now I am considering if CM (11 or 12) are worth the try... I think the main gain will be a battery life increase (at least from my other experience with CM), but I cannot see any other benefits, at least for me. I should study a bit more.
aaaah... battery lasts ~1 day. less if you use a lot the screen... max so far for me is 1 1/2 days
bejenaru said:
nice reply @juliovedovatto
i have for several days a 2GB RAM / 16 GB ROM version and I can say that I have none of the below mentioned lagging problems.
What else is different in my setup is that I am already on MIUI 7 developer.
I should admit also that I did not play any game.
Coming from an Iphone I am kind of used of not having an app drawer and MIUI 7 is pretty eye candy...
Right now I am considering if CM (11 or 12) are worth the try... I think the main gain will be a battery life increase (at least from my other experience with CM), but I cannot see any other benefits, at least for me. I should study a bit more.
aaaah... battery lasts ~1 day. less if you use a lot the screen... max so far for me is 1 1/2 days
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If you want to try the CM roms, I need to advise you: see what model your phone is. Actually the CM roms supports only HM2014811-HM2014813. The compiled baseband maybe does not work for you Redmi model.
There's a chance of you apply the rom and it does not have support for LTE networks. Like my case, my phone is HM2014819 and I discovered this misfortune today, after reading tons of posts and articles and flashing 10 times my phone
The good news that the performance of CM is far superior than the MIUI roms.
I own a 2014813 :angel:
nevertheless the battery life i see as the main gain of CM vs MIUI. Is there something else worthing, I mean like really making a difference?
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I'm one of the first buyers here in Brazil. On the launching event, the MIUI Brazilian website got bugged and fewer people was able to buy (I'm one of them, hacking the page).
I got a few complains:
the HDR Camera is laggy as hell when I take pictures.
There's no app drawer.
Sometimes I'm unable to unlock the phone, because of lag (I think). Seriously, this is annoying.
When phone gets too slow, when I go to the home screen the interface reloads itself.
Playing games like Fallout Shelter is a big problem, lagging as hell.
1GB RAM isn't enough for the phone (for me, at least) .
Sometimes the phone heats so much.
The phone has a x64 architecture, but the MIUI is 32 bits. Sounds like a waste of processing power.
There's no support forum for Brazilian users in the official boards.
No Lollipop support and no plans to receive update.
Things I liked:
Built-in security, like Antivirus and cleaning app.
The interface is so beautiful.
LTE (4G here in Brazil) for BOTH sim cards.
I can Easily switch wich sim card to make a call, send SMS or use Mobile data.
The frontal camera has a special facial recognition, telling the age, for example.
The phone charges super fast (2200 mAh battery).
It's cheap, compared to other phones. It costs less than $ 150 (at the time I bought it).
I don't think that I'm a hard user for this phone (seriously, I didn't even play so much on the phone). I know it's a mid-term smart phone. But the MIUI lag is annoying (I got crazy sometimes). I tried to use the beta versions of the MIUI rom, tried to use performance scripts, Greenify, other camera apps.
Now I'm using a customized CM 12.1 for the device, to see if I'm able to use easily the phone, like driving in my car, got lost and easily open Waze or Google Maps to see where I need to go. Actually, I need to stop and park the car, clean current apps (some times reboot) to properly use.
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Thanks @juliovedovatto for your feedback, have good experience and content for fixes report.
The Xiaomi Team recently replied me about issues that have been causing, lags and this report turn around the device performance, it's needed constant evolution to directing it in fixes updates. All of Redmi owner's can do it mentioning in Xiaomi support channels
They also informed that the objectives for now is update for MI7 and we will be wait this results!
gabrielaltea said:
Beware the enormous lag, the ROM is extremely slow, the phone wont be upgraded to Android 5, it will remain on 4.4.4 KK.
Miui 7 is really a 4.4.4 for this device. (only a few Xiaomi phones will get Lollipop)
I have a Redmi 2 for 5 months, Xiaomi iare not planning to develop Lollipop for this smartphone.
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What The [email protected]^%? I mean, Xiaomi Mi2 got Lollipop first and it's been around since 2013! What would they've been thinking, not to update lot newer devices? Where did you get the information that upgrade for Redmi 2 is not planned?
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mjraogr said:
Hello @gabrielaltea tks for reply
Which MI app or system process include in Redmi 2 are you got lag? Can you explain better?
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For example, when Skype is running on the background, it disconnects itself (and its icon disappears from notification line) and when I click its icon again, it opens as if I freshly opened it, loading everything again. It was locked in recent apps so it won't stop. But it will. Even when nothing else is running. Sometimes when I have browser and few other apps running at once (not many, two or three other apps) and a music player, sometimes the music randomly stops - it is killed for RAM even if it's locked (i absolutely hate this on MIUI but fortunately it happens quite rarely now, perhaps the last weekly update messed something up again).
MIUI is extremely RAM-hungry. I mean - if Windows XP can run on 512 MB RAM device and be perfectly usable even for complex work, what is this supposed to be? And with Cyanogen on my Redmi 2, there is still buttload of free RAM when I have several apps opened just like before on MIUI. Currently I'm running CM12 Lollipop ROM made by Zwiliev which I installed today, when I finally got tired of MIUI. And since some V6 build, Mass Storage disappeared so there is no sane way to connect a phone as a flash drive. For me, Cyanogen solved all those things, and many more that I don't feel like writing down here.
On the other hand, the Redmi 2 itself is a decent phone. With very nice headphone output quality - the best of all phones I've ever had. The camera is pretty good, too. The display is beautiful - i thought that it is nuts to have 1024xSomething resolution on a device this small but it really looks very good. And MIUI has in-built root capability, at least. Wifi is powerful enough to have signal where my previous smartphone was already out of range. Replaceable battery and memory card slot. The hardware is indeed very very good for those money so if you don't mind using Cyanogen, buy it
Yay, this is gonna be my tenth post so finally I can send feedback to ROM developers (AT LONG LAST! WHICH PORK HEAD'S IDEA WAS THIS?)
I'm considering buying an unlocked 16GB Moto G4 Plus. I have a question about multi-tasking with the 2GB of RAM. Let me explain what I mean by giving scenarios:
Currently I'm using a LG Stylo (1GB RAM) but have used a Galaxy S6 Edge+ (4GB RAM).
I like that with the S6e+ I can stream internet radio, press home to open up the browser and view a page or take a pic to post to Facebook, press home then send a message in Hangouts, then press home (or recent apps) and go back to the browser without it having to reload the page because of low memory... all while still streaming.
On the LG Stylo if I press home and then go back to the browser it has to reload the page even if I don't run another app. When I try to post a picture to Facebook by the time it loads the camera or gallery it will need to reload the page and I lose my picture sometimes and have to try again.
My question: How well does the 2GB of RAM work on this phone? Can you browse and do other functions without the page being taking out of memory if you go to send a text or take a pic? What if you had two tabs open?
Thanks for the help! Hope to be here rooting soon!
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I'm considering buying an unlocked 16GB Moto G4 Plus. I have a question about multi-tasking with the 2GB of RAM. Let me explain what I mean by giving scenarios:
Currently I'm using a LG Stylo (1GB RAM) but have used a Galaxy S6 Edge+ (4GB RAM).
I like that with the S6e+ I can stream internet radio, press home to open up the browser and view a page or take a pic to post to Facebook, press home then send a message in Hangouts, then press home (or recent apps) and go back to the browser without it having to reload the page because of low memory... all while still streaming.
On the LG Stylo if I press home and then go back to the browser it has to reload the page even if I don't run another app. When I try to post a picture to Facebook by the time it loads the camera or gallery it will need to reload the page and I lose my picture sometimes and have to try again.
My question: How well does the 2GB of RAM work on this phone? Can you browse and do other functions without the page being taking out of memory if you go to send a text or take a pic? What if you had two tabs open?
Thanks for the help! Hope to be here rooting soon!
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Will recommend 3gb variant because as you dont close background app.S6 is far superior then g4 as it has better processor and ram.They both cannot be compared.
anhoxhrs said:
Will recommend 3gb variant because as you dont close background app.S6 is far superior then g4 as it has better processor and ram.They both cannot be compared.
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I understand that and should have said that I realize the S6 is much more of a powerhouse. I'm currently using a device with 1GB of RAM and I do close my background apps ( and use Greenify) but it doesn't help... I wasn't sure if an extra 1GB of RAM would help.
I don't see a 32-gigabyte version for sale anymore tho, I looked... Not on Motorola's website, Amazon, or Swappa. I'm in the US and dunno what happened to it or if it was ever available.
I can go with the 64GB version with 4GBs of RAM but considering the phone has adoptable storage I thought of this as an unnecessary expenditure. I guess it's really about the RAM.. Thank you for replying.
I looked up BLU phones but heard about the battery issues that's why I wanted to go with a major manufacturer.
NeoZiggy said:
I understand that and should have said that I realize the S6 is much more of a powerhouse. I'm currently using a device with 1GB of RAM and I do close my background apps ( and use Greenify) but it doesn't help... I wasn't sure if an extra 1GB of RAM would help.
I don't see a 32-gigabyte version for sale anymore tho, I looked... Not on Motorola's website, Amazon, or Swappa. I'm in the US and dunno what happened to it or if it was ever available.
I can go with the 64GB version with 4GBs of RAM but considering the phone has adoptable storage I thought of this as an unnecessary expenditure. I guess it's really about the RAM.. Thank you for replying.
I looked up BLU phones but heard about the battery issues that's why I wanted to go with a major manufacturer.
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As far as the 4gb variant is concerned it is useless,i have fifa 16,coc,fb,chrome etc in background even though my ram is not fully used.max 1.8 gb have been used not more then that.Moreover the processor snapdrgn 617 is not that powerfull to use 4gb ram.Battery will get affected for 4gb.Verdict g4 3gb suits best for you.
I'm not sure if it's just an error but any 32 gigabyte version I see says it has only 2 gigs of RAM.
I saw a review saying that the phone has jittery animations and feels sort of sluggish. But once it's rooted you could adjust the memory options, the CPU core control, and have it function a little smoother. I see CM and Pac ROMs....
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I'm not sure if it's just an error but any 32 gigabyte version I see says it has only 2 gigs of RAM.
I saw a review saying that the phone has jittery animations and feels sort of sluggish. But once it's rooted you could adjust the memory options, the CPU core control, and have it function a little smoother. I see CM and Pac ROMs....
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I dont know about US but in india 16 gb has 2gigs of ram,32 gb 3 gigs of ram.I have not encountered any sluggish UI till now.But screen burn happens.Animations are smooth.
anhoxhrs said:
I dont know about US but in india 16 gb has 2gigs of ram,32 gb 3 gigs of ram.I have not encountered any sluggish UI till now.But screen burn happens.Animations are smooth.
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My LG Stylo has the same type of screen, IPS LCD Capacitive, and so has nearly every other phone I've used. I've never had screen burn in and never heard of it happening unless maybe you keep your screen on for hours. I believe it's image retention and not permanent burn in.
Must be some kind of manufacturing flaw unique to the screens in the Moto that causes it. I read the phone gets very hot and that could add to the problem.
I still think I want to buy it, I can't find any other name brand phones with that high of a screen resolution and PPI for a simular price.
Thanks for answering my questions!
NeoZiggy said:
My LG Stylo has the same type of screen, IPS LCD Capacitive, and so has nearly every other phone I've used. I've never had screen burn in and never heard of it happening unless maybe you keep your screen on for hours. I believe it's image retention and not permanent burn in.
Must be some kind of manufacturing flaw unique to the screens in the Moto that causes it. I read the phone gets very hot and that could add to the problem.
I still think I want to buy it, I can't find any other name brand phones with that high of a screen resolution and PPI for a simular price.
Thanks for answering my questions!
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Yeah screen retention which will be for 10 mins.Lol same reason why i bought this phone!If you dont have problem with screen retention you should go for it.As far as the retention is concerned it has been reported by indian users mostly,which the phone was manufactured in tamil nadu,india.Have not heard any one of US having that problem.
NeoZiggy said:
My LG Stylo has the same type of screen, IPS LCD Capacitive, and so has nearly every other phone I've used. I've never had screen burn in and never heard of it happening unless maybe you keep your screen on for hours. I believe it's image retention and not permanent burn in.
Must be some kind of manufacturing flaw unique to the screens in the Moto that causes it. I read the phone gets very hot and that could add to the problem.
I still think I want to buy it, I can't find any other name brand phones with that high of a screen resolution and PPI for a simular price.
Thanks for answering my questions!
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Got tempted to butt in with my $0. 02, being a new moto G owner and someone with not many work days to clock in lately.
I have the XT 1643, the Indian variant with 3/32Gb. After almost about a month of (rigorous) use, entailing flashing recovery, kernel and ROM back and forth, I find the ROM/RAM parameter to not really be the clincher.
For one, when I was on stock ROM, without even the OEM unlock and just a handful of playstore apps, the UI was OKAY, not what I'd expected having switched over from a 2014 2gig ram zenfone with a puny 8gig internal storage, an x86 Intel processor (which meant compatibility with only 60-70% of all Android apps) and a 16GB ext SD Card. Its Lollipop 5.0 stock firmware (its last official firmware update, as usual heavily modded UI and a truck load of Asus bloat masquerading as system apps) had pushed me to the end of my rope, but a chance attempt at braving to flash a custom ROM (CM based Android 6), followed by installing xposed mods and whiling my time away on android customization forums and such, helped salvage it from getting tossed out, at least for a good six months till its battery died coinciding with Moto G4 hitting the market.
So, coming back to the current phone, a week on, I unlocked and rooted, installed xposed, crammed up a cache of apps and mods, and spent time following how to guides on xda. But, I wasn't really sure if I'd cracked it as yet. Flashing the kernel was fun first time activity, and following up with the dev and users about its features kept me from comparing performance for a bit. However, with flashing to RR ROM, things have begun to look up, I can go about switching between apps or Chrome tabs with no noticeable lag. There's a large set of customization features, which along with tweaking battery and cpu performance have brought me closer to how I'd want my phone to behave.
TL;DR Having a bare bone OS with chosen essential apps, a stable custom ROM with multiple customization features, mods and apps to tweak performance + battery, is what could ideally make the switch over to a higher RAM device worthwhile, which probably is a lot better than running synthetic benchmark tests and comparing results on forums about tests.
About the 64gig variant, not quite sure why you can't find a 32gig one, though signs seem to point to Motos habit of selling different spec models in different markets. And, unless it came with a standard OEM warranty, I wouldn't buy a phone even if it's the better one.
I agree, warrantee is very important. I wouldn't buy a used phone.
I'll be looking forward to getting this device in the next few months. I'm not worried about internal space since it has adoptable storage but I think I'll spend the extra money for the 4GB version.
Thanks for all the help!
Hi Guys,
Greetings from Japan.
Change my smartphone regularly as I love gadgets and technology.
Daily drivers have included Galaxy Note 3, 5, A9 Pro, and most recently S7 Edge.
Have also owned, Xperia Z3, Z5 Premium, LG G3, G4, V10, V20, Blackberry Passport, Priv, Nexus 6P, Huawei Mate 7, P9, iPhone 6S Plus
Lots of people picking up the new Galaxy S8+ now which I considered along with the LG G6.
Been enamored with the MIX since I first saw it last year.
Price of the 6gb 256gb model came all the way down under 70,000 yen which is cheaper than both the the LG and S8+ (by a lot vs the Galaxy) so I jumped on it.
Few first impressions after a few days of it replacing my S7 Edge.
- Beautiful phone. Please note I love big phones. The finish and style is superb. As many have noted though, slipperiest phone I have ever used.
- Screen size is immersive and the screen to body ratio just awesome. I actually feel the S8+ screen is a bit to narrow and I like the resolution of the MIX. However, one negative is (and this is my personal taste), I find the colors not as punchy as I'm used to with the Amoled screens. I don't find the color accuracy as good as other high end phones. (no official testing, just by eye).
- Games and multimedia on this phone are amazing.
- Very surprised at the plug in sound quality. Currently use a Onkyo DP-X1 digital audio player which is in my opinion one of the best DAP's out there. To compare, the MIX is as powerful and the quality is much better than any Samsung phone. I don't have my LG phones on hand to compare directly anymore but I'd say its maybe a step below the DAC's on the V10 and V20. Compared to the DP-X1, slightly less clean, less punch on the low end, and a narrower sound stage but the DP-X1 will blow away any phone. Phone wise, I would not hesitate to plug in my Sony MDR-1A or Audio Technica MSR7.
- Sorry, I'll say it, camera is terrible. Many of the phones I owned in the past had amazing cameras. This does not. I think enough has been discussed on this so I'll leave it at that.
- I can't comment much on the MIUI skin/system launcher. After a few hours I threw on Nova Launcher. There are bugs with MIUI that I experienced as follows:
- Double knock to wake does not work after the phone has been sleeping for longer periods of time. If I shut the screen off and double tap within a few minutes it wakes the phone
but if I do it after say 20 minutes, it will not and I need to press the power button to wake.
- Notifications were hit and miss at the beginning. Was strangely unreliable as there were times the phone was locked and no notifications came through. I turned off a bunch of
MIUI optimizations and now they "seem" to work but will monitor.
- Speaking of notifications, when do not disturb is turned on, messages like LINE Messenger are not silenced, even I have I set to silence all with NO exceptions.
- The auto brightness performance is slow/poor. Turned it off and manually adjust brightness for now.
- I've allowed the dock to be hidden but sometimes really hard to swipe away in certain apps.
- Had to redo default apps several times as they kept getting reset.
- Setting wallpapers seems more difficult than it has to be whether it be in MIUI or Nova (which is even more buggy in this setup for wallpapers).
- Clock widgets don't work. Time does not reflect phone time (stands still) - this could be a Nova thing with MIUI.
- I've played around with the memory management and it seems MIUI does a poor job at it. When I have no apps running/open there are times the system memory and apps running
in background use up over 2gb - luckily this phone has 6gb. This worsens over time and is cleared with a restart.
- Seems like when phone goes to sleep it was no longer connected to wifi. I had to turn on the option to leave wifi and data on (Switch between Data and Wifi option) which
appears to fix this.
- and other things that are probably minor that I don't remember.
In general I love the phone for its design and hardware (except for the camera). In my opinion if it had an Amoled screen, a better, at least decent camera, and at least addressed some of the basic bugs (no matter how beautiful a phone is if notifications don't work out of the box... its unacceptable), this phone would be untouchable.
Of course some of the bugs could be just user error so feel free to point me in the right direction if this is the case.
Also I have rooted and flashed some of my devices in the past with custom roms. Let me know if you think flashing to another rom would solve some issues.
Should note the Rom it came with is MIUI Global 8.2 | Stable 8.2.1.0 (MAHMIDL).
Thanks for reading.
I share a lot of your frustrations, then I installed Epic rom. It's a totally different beast. I highly recommend it.
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- I've played around with the memory management and it seems MIUI does a poor job at it. When I have no apps running/open there are times the system memory and apps running
in background use up over 2gb - luckily this phone has 6gb. This worsens over time and is cleared with a restart.
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Greetings from Bangkok
Are you aware, that an operating system using more RAM doesn't mean bad RAM management at all?
Here's a very good ELI5 (Explain like I'm 5) explanation of the misunderstanding:
"So, imagine you have a store full of books. Most of the books are in storage. So when someone walks in and says "I want Book Y" you walk to the storage, get up on a ladder, grab Book Y and go back and give it to them.
Then the next 10 customers walk in and ask for Book Y, and one customer asks for Book L. So you're smart and instead of continuing to go back to storage and grabbing Book Y 10 times you just grab a bunch of Book Y once and keep a bunch on a small shelf nearby. You still get stuck grabbing Book L from storage because it's less common so you weren't ready. But at least when people ask for Book Y you don't have to go to storage.
This is obviously a better system. You can be faster at selling because a bunch of Book Y is on a nearby shelf and people keep asking for Book Y. No need to go to storage except for sometimes.
Now imagine some asshole comes in and takes all of the books off that nearby shelf every single ****ing time you stock it up. Literally you HAVE to walk all the way to storage every time because of this idiot. This guy claims he's helping to "keep your shelf clean". Meanwhile you're TRYING to use that shelf to store best-seller books.
That idiot is a RAM cleaner. Don't hire that idiot."
- https://np.reddit.com/r/Android/com...ns_antivirus_and_apps_that/d1qstqt/?context=3
And here the real, fairly more technical explanation:
"On Windows, you want to keep as much RAM available as you can so that programs have enough room to operate. When RAM fills up, Windows is forced to start using hard drive space as virtual RAM and hard drives are much slower than physical RAM.
This is not true for Android.
Android’s operating system has its own native handler for assigning RAM to apps and making sure that all of it is being used in the most optimal way. In fact, Android purposely tries to keep apps loaded into RAM for better performance. RAM is fast, remember? On mobile devices, every bit of speed is critical for a good user experience, so keeping apps in RAM is actually a good thing.
Not only does Android handle RAM assignment, but it also keeps track of background apps so they don’t use up unnecessary processor resources. There’s no noticeable performance hit for leaving apps loaded in RAM."
- http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ram-boosters-task-killers-bad-android/
underlines said:
Greetings from Bangkok
Are you aware, that an operating system using more RAM doesn't mean bad RAM management at all?
Here's a very good ELI5 (Explain like I'm 5) explanation of the misunderstanding:
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Thanks a lot for the analogy which certainly does make sense.
Perhaps I should not have used the words "poor job".
I certainly do understand the benefits of keeping apps loaded in ram for speed. I just found it odd that even before I turned off the MIUI optimizations which were supposed to be killing off apps, I would watch ram in use creep from 1gb to 2gb even after launching no apps.
I am still in the learning phase for this phone so will surely pick up its tendencies and quirks more as I go along.
Thanks for the input.
thklinge said:
I share a lot of your frustrations, then I installed Epic rom. It's a totally different beast. I highly recommend it.
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Care to elaborate?
I am also using the stock global 8.2.1 and I am really curious as to what you mean with totally different beast..
I already unlock bootloader so I can flash custom ROM, but I was actually living with stock global until ResurrectionRemix or LineageOS would be more bug free and go with them ad I love the "stock Google - Pixel esperienze" (running Pixel Launcher atm)..but I could surely benefit of a better ROM meanwhile.
Thanks in advance!
No more weird Chinese letters in some apps, no Chinese apps running in the background, no more lost notifications, better battery life, snappier response, and so on. I use nova launcher anyways so not sure about the launcher. But it's a real waste of space to have so few icons on such a large screen. I use a 8x5 grid.
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Also I have rooted and flashed some of my devices in the past with custom roms. Let me know if you think flashing to another rom would solve some issues.
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Ressurection Remix rom will solve all your software issues.
I too hope MIX 2 will have a good dual camera setup, and an amoled qhd screen
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OTA for 8.2.4 Global Stable came yesterday. Seems to have fixed my do not disturb issues.
Double tap to wake still inconsistent.
Will try for a few days before considering flashing to a custom ROM.
I have been using my MIX for three days now and I am very impressed with it. Along with mix in our circle of friends there is an iPhone 7 plus and Galaxy S8 Plus.
Experiencing with all 3, I love my MIX, its speed looks, and features. I am happy that I got it.
Before this I had Mi5, I still miss my mi5 size and beauty but I don't regret getting the MIX.
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I got my MIX from Dubai, I live in the UK, my phone was sealed and came with 8,2 stable global. I am just curious that it came bootloader unlocked. As soon as I turned on the phone, set it up I got the update for 8.2.40 which mean genuine Xiaomi Rom. did anyone else get their phone bootloader unlocked. due to this my phone shows device not certified on google play, due to this I cant download Netflix and I don't know which app will stop working next
zabihjan said:
...I got my MIX from Dubai, I live in the UK, my phone was sealed and came with 8,2 stable global. I am just curious that it came bootloader unlocked. As soon as I turned on the phone, set it up I got the update for 8.2.40 which mean genuine Xiaomi Rom.
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Let's assume that Xiaomi ships the devices from the factory with bootloader locked.
Even if the reseller has a way to unlock the bootloader without the usual method with a MI account, it is certain that they cannot do it wirelessly with the device powered down and inside the box.
So it is either that Xiaomi ships it unlocked, or the box has been opened, the device unlocked, and the box resealed again.
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....due to this my phone shows device not certified on google play, due to this I cant download Netflix and I don't know which app will stop working next
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Try the Magisk module which is for passing the safetynet check
Nikos2k said:
Let's assume that Xiaomi ships the devices from the factory with bootloader locked.
Even if the reseller has a way to unlock the bootloader without the usual method with a MI account, it is certain that they cannot do it wirelessly with the device powered down and inside the box.
So it is either that Xiaomi ships it unlocked, or the box has been opened, the device unlocked, and the box resealed again.
Try the Magisk module which is for passing the safetynet check
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I get cts profile mismatch
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I get cts profile mismatch
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Here's the thread for this module:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/xiaomi-safetynet-fix-t3600431
Send him your magisk log and your xiaomi-safetynet-fix.log
(/magisk/xiaomi-safetynet-fix/xiaomi-safetynet-fix.log)
Nikos2k said:
Here's the thread for this module:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/xiaomi-safetynet-fix-t3600431
Send him your magisk log and your xiaomi-safetynet-fix.log
(/magisk/xiaomi-safetynet-fix/xiaomi-safetynet-fix.log)
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Thank you for reminding me of this. I will get on with it asap
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i did a full wipe and flashed using miflash latest global and locked the bootloader. after one day of use when I heard the global dev is coming out I unlocked bootloader again and guess what Netflix is working, cts mismatch is gone and device is certified on google play. now waiting global dev and official lineage
Bought Mi Mix 6gb yesterday (Sold my Galaxy Tab S2 T710 as the promised upgrade seems never happen, and my LG V10 due to heat issue) using global ROM and updated it to 8.2.5.0. Everything seems alright so far except it doesn't have Japanese locale. The translation project says it is 94% complete.
Audio quality is as great as LG G6, with my RHA T10 in ear headphone.
I prefer Mi Mix (or LG G6) to GS8+.
Now have to wait for the delivery of transparent cases...
Hi,
I hope you don't mind where you bought your Mix in Dubai? As I am interested in buying one and not sure where to get it as I am in DUbai also.
zabihjan said:
I have been using my MIX for three days now and I am very impressed with it. Along with mix in our circle of friends there is an iPhone 7 plus and Galaxy S8 Plus.
Experiencing with all 3, I love my MIX, its speed looks, and features. I am happy that I got it.
Before this I had Mi5, I still miss my mi5 size and beauty but I don't regret getting the MIX.
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I got my MIX from Dubai, I live in the UK, my phone was sealed and came with 8,2 stable global. I am just curious that it came bootloader unlocked. As soon as I turned on the phone, set it up I got the update for 8.2.40 which mean genuine Xiaomi Rom. did anyone else get their phone bootloader unlocked. due to this my phone shows device not certified on google play, due to this I cant download Netflix and I don't know which app will stop working next
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macmel said:
Hi,
I hope you don't mind where you bought your Mix in Dubai? As I am interested in buying one and not sure where to get it as I am in DUbai also.
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https://uae.souq.com/ae-en/xiaomi-m...PJ3Q.0&utm_referrer=https://www.google.co.uk/
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zabihjan said:
https://uae.souq.com/ae-en/xiaomi-m...PJ3Q.0&utm_referrer=https://www.google.co.uk/
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Thank you very much , appreciate it.
I know this will surely be biased, but I would still like impressions from you guys of the two phones comparatively speaking. I know the axon has more power but I like the google one experience that will come with the A1 as well as the RAM management on the A1 looked to be much better from what I’ve seen. Any other pro cons between the two?
noremacyug said:
I know this will surely be biased, but I would still like impressions from you guys of the two phones comparatively speaking. I know the axon has more power but I like the google one experience that will come with the A1 as well as the RAM management on the A1 looked to be much better from what I’ve seen. Any other pro cons between the two?
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Software is better on the mi a1 and battery is significantly better too. Everyrthing else is better on the axon 7, I've used both.
Yeah. Hard choice. I know hardware is better on the axon, but the software and multitasking, from better memory management, on the A1 seem to make up for some of that lack. Any custom roms for the axon that are better than stock? I like a vanilla android experience.
noremacyug said:
Yeah. Hard choice. I know hardware is better on the axon, but the software and multitasking, from better memory management, on the A1 seem to make up for some of that lack. Any custom roms for the axon that are better than stock? I like a vanilla android experience.
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Well, we get Oreo LinageOS and Stock soon. No Treble or 4.4 Kernel but the Snapdragon 820 and the 4GB RAM (or even more) plus the fast Storage are still great performing. The A1 is mid-range. I would still buy the Axon 7 (Advanced with force Touch/3D Touch) 6Gb RAM and speedy 128Gb Internal + SD Slot and Multi-Sim + USB 3 which is blazing fast If your PC has USB 3 too.
This Phone is just amazing and i really dont need anything else yet (Maybe a Pixel 2 XL but the Prices...). Hope that helped a Bit
Oh and the Display... 1440p Daydream capable AMOLED goodness just like in a Pixel 2 XL (With even higher ppi). Still high-end
noremacyug said:
Yeah. Hard choice. I know hardware is better on the axon, but the software and multitasking, from better memory management, on the A1 seem to make up for some of that lack. Any custom roms for the axon that are better than stock? I like a vanilla android experience.
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-ZTE is about to release Stock+ which is basically a vanilla Android ROM with some added features. It's android 8 of course. The A2017U is probably gonna get it before 2018 (only 5 days left, we'll see!) while the A2017G is gonna get it around April 2018. If the A2017U ROM comes out you will probably be able to install it on an A2017G or A2017 anyways.
-You can get the Axon 7 enhanced edition if you actually find one, it comes with 6/128 and force touch. But I don't really know why you'd need better memory management. If it's because of app launch speed, then that's sort of silly since even a cold start is really fast on it. If it's to keep many apps open then just use war_mod or tweak the kernel yourself. I believe that having more than 4 gb of RAM this year and probably the next will only bring you significant gains in benchmarks, really. Normal usage won't fill the RAM unless you leave many games open, which is as silly as it gets...
-The Axon 7 is not gonna get Treble. ZTE didn't say anything but it's obviously not gonna happen officially.
-Custom ROMs are almost free of important bugs. The infamous call bug (you can't hear the other person unless you toggle speakerphone and untoggle it) is still there, or at least for some. And custom ROMs didn't use the dedicated DAC until recently. The camera quality is not exactly the same as stock, but it comes close.
-The AK4490 DAC is just glorious, no two ways about it
But really, could you explain what you mean about the better memory management? I have zero knowledge about the Mi A1. Those are just some facts about the Axon 7.
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-ZTE is about to release Stock+ which is basically a vanilla Android ROM with some added features. It's android 8 of course. The A2017U is probably gonna get it before 2018 (only 5 days left, we'll see!) while the A2017G is gonna get it around April 2018. If the A2017U ROM comes out you will probably be able to install it on an A2017G or A2017 anyways.
-You can get the Axon 7 enhanced edition if you actually find one, it comes with 6/128 and force touch. But I don't really know why you'd need better memory management. If it's because of app launch speed, then that's sort of silly since even a cold start is really fast on it. If it's to keep many apps open then just use war_mod or tweak the kernel yourself. I believe that having more than 4 gb of RAM this year and probably the next will only bring you significant gains in benchmarks, really. Normal usage won't fill the RAM unless you leave many games open, which is as silly as it gets...
-The Axon 7 is not gonna get Treble. ZTE didn't say anything but it's obviously not gonna happen officially.
-Custom ROMs are almost free of important bugs. The infamous call bug (you can't hear the other person unless you toggle speakerphone and untoggle it) is still there, or at least for some. And custom ROMs didn't use the dedicated DAC until recently. The camera quality is not exactly the same as stock, but it comes close.
-The AK4490 DAC is just glorious, no two ways about it
But really, could you explain what you mean about the better memory management? I have zero knowledge about the Mi A1. Those are just some facts about the Axon 7.
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Well Said!
Choose an username... said:
-ZTE is about to release Stock+ which is basically a vanilla Android ROM with some added features. It's android 8 of course. The A2017U is probably gonna get it before 2018 (only 5 days left, we'll see!) while the A2017G is gonna get it around April 2018. If the A2017U ROM comes out you will probably be able to install it on an A2017G or A2017 anyways.
-You can get the Axon 7 enhanced edition if you actually find one, it comes with 6/128 and force touch. But I don't really know why you'd need better memory management. If it's because of app launch speed, then that's sort of silly since even a cold start is really fast on it. If it's to keep many apps open then just use war_mod or tweak the kernel yourself. I believe that having more than 4 gb of RAM this year and probably the next will only bring you significant gains in benchmarks, really. Normal usage won't fill the RAM unless you leave many games open, which is as silly as it gets...
-The Axon 7 is not gonna get Treble. ZTE didn't say anything but it's obviously not gonna happen officially.
-Custom ROMs are almost free of important bugs. The infamous call bug (you can't hear the other person unless you toggle speakerphone and untoggle it) is still there, or at least for some. And custom ROMs didn't use the dedicated DAC until recently. The camera quality is not exactly the same as stock, but it comes close.
-The AK4490 DAC is just glorious, no two ways about it
But really, could you explain what you mean about the better memory management? I have zero knowledge about the Mi A1. Those are just some facts about the Axon 7.
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My remarks regarding the memory management are based solely on the video linked below comparing the two phones directly. You can see him open a bunch of apps on each phone and then as he switches back to them many on the axon had to reload as if they were closed upon exit. The mi A1 seemed to do much better at keeping them in ram, ready to be continued. Perhaps that’s tweakable or a setting that can be changed?
Scrub to 6:00 if you want to skip the youtuber’s blabbering...
https://youtu.be/gsh_SA25gq8
noremacyug said:
My remarks regarding the memory management are based solely on the video linked below comparing the two phones directly. You can see him open a bunch of apps on each phone and then as he switches back to them many on the axon had to reload as if they were closed upon exit. The mi A1 seemed to do much better at keeping them in ram, ready to be continued. Perhaps that’s tweakable or a setting that can be changed?
Scrub to 6:00 if you want to skip the youtuber’s blabbering...
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Will you open a bunch of apps on your daily usage and need them all open at once? I believe there are ways to lock apps and keep them loaded on RAM, but I still don't believe it is useful to have many apps loaded at once...
Take battery life for example. Having a bunch of apps loaded, many running in the background, will definitely consume more battery. That's where iOS excels, since the apps actually get stored on the sdcard instead of being kept on RAM. So they are basically frozen until you open them again. and that's why Apple phones have so little RAM, they just don't need it.
I use about 4 apps at the same time at most, and even if one of them is a game, the others won't necessarily close
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P.S. I just saw the video and realized that the Mi A1 has a 1080p LCD... It's no contest. The Axon 7 destroys it in audio, display, and I don't know about speed, haven't seen yet.
No amount of bias changes this. unless you're really interested in treble
Edit: I saw the whole video and the performamce difference is also pretty noticeable. I say you're much better off with the Axon 7. Especially if you find an Enhanced.
Very good. I’m a stickler about shutting down unused apps. But do want to be able to put a few on the back shelf and then return to them as they were when I left them. The video showed the last app (racing game) having apparently closed and needing reload. However I suppose if every app there was running in actual 4K, it would consume more ram.....right?
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Very good. I’m a stickler about shutting down unused apps. But do want to be able to put a few on the back shelf and then return to them as they were when I left them. The video showed the last app (racing game) having apparently closed and needing reload. However I suppose if every app there was running in actual 4K, it would consume more ram.....right?
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4K? You mean 2K i guess?
Yeah, they will. But most decent games have an option to reduce resolution, so you can lower it to a more manageable 1080p and use less resources.
Again, this is all tweakable via the LMK. I guess you could even get the LMK values of the A1 and modify the Axon 7's taking them into consideration
war_mod actually frees up some RAM, so you have more available. Plus you can use zRAM to add some more.
Choose an username... said:
4K? You mean 2K i guess?
Yeah, they will. But most decent games have an option to reduce resolution, so you can lower it to a more manageable 1080p and use less resources.
Again, this is all tweakable via the LMK. I guess you could even get the LMK values of the A1 and modify the Axon 7's taking them into consideration
war_mod actually frees up some RAM, so you have more available. Plus you can use zRAM to add some more.
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Yup, brain fart, 2k.
Good deal on the ram options. I was leaning pretty hard toward the axon to begin with, simply from a hardware standpoint. It appears to be pretty close to the abilities of my iPhone 6s+....at least according benchmarks.
Off to eBay to score one. Thanks guys/gals.
The closing games is more than likely from the power management settings. The Axon is a beastly bargain!
Glad to hear. Already pulled the trigger on one I found on swappa. ??