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3GB Ram Enough?

I am considering moving from Note 4 to one of these. I think one of my bites into performance (particulary multitasking performance) is the 3GB of RAM.
Of course, this won't have all the bloatware as the Note, but then I have a lot of it 'disabled' anyway.
I'm assuming a lot here are Moto experienced, so thought I'd ask. Do you think 3GB would be enough? I have ~ 150 apps on my phone. Don't use for gaming. But on the road, I might have a car mode app running, GPS Navigation; Music streaming all simultaneously.

It'll be more than enough.

The Note 4 also has 3GB of Ram, so as far as memory goes, the Moto X should be "faster" since it also has less bloatware and a newer/better processor. Whether or not this will be true in reality is unknown, but all the evidence is pointing toward the Moto X Style thus far.

Wish it had 24 gigs @3600 Hz. With 1,000,000 mah ion battery. And 4k 3840 x 2160p full-array LED backlight. 24x camera zoom. Also SSD of 1 TB. Night vision aperture. And face and hand reader. Only be the size of 4.2" and weigh lighter than a piece of paper. So no 3 gigs is not enough.

It's all depends on how much the startup steals, i just read that the Note 5 is using over 2 GB just to get TW up and running.
So, in Motorolas case, its all good but not in Sammys

I think 3G should enough if you don't run any Samsung apps on it.

Yeah Samsung and their touchwiz is crap. One of the main reasons I am leaving Samsung and buying a Moto X.
3GB of RAM is plenty if you ask me. Its all about how well Motorola optimise it and I'm sure they will manage nicely.
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I'm sure 3gb will be enough for the moto x, it shouldn't have any bloat on it. My verizon S5 has a bunch of carrier bloat on it and only 2gb of ram and I can make it stall pretty hard just using the browser and streaming pandora.

5.1.1 fixes several of memory leaks that have been plaguing the android phones since kitkat (or even before) and early 5.0. So, Note4 is suffering from those bugs as well.
So, with 3GB of memory on X you should get an experience which is similar to 6GB on Note4 (if it had 6GB) which I presume does not run 5.1 yet. Accounting for the bloat that Samsung apps introduce.
I am running CM12.1 with 5.1.1 on Moto G (2014) and its much better than kitkat or 5.0 lollipop experience I had. It feels a whole different phone altogether.

Why wouldn't it be enough?
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barondebxl said:
Why wouldn't it be enough?
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Can't believe I'm agreein with an iPhone user [emoji6] ... Just kidding lol.
As an example you've only got 1GB on your iPhone 6 ... it goes to show its all about the software and not always about hardware.
RAM is over rated if you ask me. Crap software will be crap regardless of how much RAM a phone has or hasnt got. And hopefully Moto X doesnt dissapoint us like Samdung ... who have loads of RAM but their phones still lag like crazy.
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barondebxl said:
Why wouldn't it be enough?
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For the reason I stated in the quesiton...running lots of apps.
Geordie Affy said:
Can't believe I'm agreein with an iPhone user [emoji6] ... Just kidding lol.
As an example you've only got 1GB on your iPhone 6 ... it goes to show its all about the software and not always about hardware.
RAM is over rated if you ask me. Crap software will be crap regardless of how much RAM a phone has or hasnt got. And hopefully Moto X doesnt dissapoint us like Samdung ... who have loads of RAM but their phones still lag like crazy.
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Actually, if I were able to root (I'm on AT&T, and unfortunately cannot), I could run an app that determines what loads when. But without that, it loads all kinds of apps even though I'm not using them. (Maybe I'm the only one, but I consider that a poor design/implementation of software management by Android). Add all those to the bloat, it does get laggy...especially if multitasking.
Generally using, it performs great. But just as one example of multitasking where I notice it very laggy: Going for a walk, tracking with MyTracks; playing music via BT headset; receive message...opening message very slow.
Having been a Samsung addict for a long time, I haven't experienced non-Samsung. So, wasn't sure about others. I always read users disparage of Samsung and it's software, but as noted I've always been able to get past that due to rooting, etc. But not any more.
So, I"m ready to move away from Samsung...but then feel I should get the most I can get. Don't want to move away to then be disappointed.
I"m pretty much convinced that 3GB will be fine...for now. But as time goes on, more and more useful apps will be coming out. I feel that 4GB will give me a certain amount of longer time to be able to stick with the phone, whichever one I get.

iPhones only need 1GB of ram to run smoothly without any lag
Android users complain 3GB is not enough............*sigh* -_-

@ewingr that doesn't make sense though. Until the Zenfone 2 all we knew was 3GB of ram and it has always been plenty especially for phone s that were running stock android, only phones that were "struggling" we're Samsung phone with the heavy touch wiz. The M8 with 2GB of ram had plenty of ram to spare. Now that 4GB is available all of a sudden 3GB becomes a concern.... I don't get it but ok.

barondebxl said:
@ewingr that doesn't make sense though. Until the Zenfone 2 all we knew was 3GB of ram and it has always been plenty especially for phone s that were running stock android, only phones that were "struggling" we're Samsung phone with the heavy touch wiz. The M8 with 2GB of ram had plenty of ram to spare. Now that 4GB is available all of a sudden 3GB becomes a concern.... I don't get it but ok.
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All I can tell you is that is what I"m experiencing. Again...it may in fact be the TouchWiz as people complain about. (I use a different launcher...I really don't know how that plays into it).
But, ... The fact is in the end, I get short on RAM. When I flush it all, it operates faster. Given that, I don';t see how it can't make sense that 4GB over 3 GB would be better, and possibly necessary if running a lot of apps.

berezker said:
iPhones only need 1GB of ram to run smoothly without any lag
Android users complain 3GB is not enough............*sigh* -_-
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Ram is about multitasking. Not sbout smoothness.
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ewingr said:
All I can tell you is that is what I"m experiencing. Again...it may in fact be the TouchWiz as people complain about. (I use a different launcher...I really don't know how that plays into it).
But, ... The fact is in the end, I get short on RAM. When I flush it all, it operates faster. Given that, I don';t see how it can't make sense that 4GB over 3 GB would be better, and possibly necessary if running a lot of apps.
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Don't be afraid, man. When my nexus 4 was still alive I could throw anything at it, and it would never lag or eat up more than 1.3 GBs of RAM. And that was a 2012 phone.
Samsung just can't keep up with its own software, so they sell you their top of the line hardware, at high prices, to compensate for their inability to optimise. Moto and nexus are just a completely different world

ambervals6 said:
Ram is about multitasking. Not sbout smoothness.
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to a degree. it is about running multi applications at once but that also has an effect on smoothness. if the phone struggles to run multiple things it will not be smooth, that is simple. and the iphone has much much better code/software then android. 3 gb should be enough. my note 4 does not have any smoothness issues still running kitkat too i might add!

oneandroidnut said:
to a degree. it is about running multi applications at once but that also has an effect on smoothness. if the phone struggles to run multiple things it will not be smooth, that is simple. and the iphone has much much better code/software then android. 3 gb should be enough. my note 4 does not have any smoothness issues still running kitkat too i might add!
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Don't really agree that iOS has better code than android. A lot of apps now have moved over to using something like apache cordova / nativescript and write one app (in JavaScriptl) which is then able to run on each platform. However, Apple has a better vetting process so in general, I've seen apps that have memory leak issues or are just plain bad when it comes to memory be not allowed to the store. Google's vetting process isn't as strict AFAIK - could be wrong - so there's that element to it.

So my status now is that I ordered T-Mobile Note 4 that I can root and rom. I'll try a less bloated ROM and see how it goes. That'll give time to get the new Moto Pure in, and Nexus phones in , and see how the reviews go. Maybe I'll be happy with the rooted Note 4.

Nexus 5X specs, underwhelmed

I've been using my Galaxy S4 for quite some time now. It's due to be replaced, and I've been following news about the Nexus 5X for a while, very much looking forward to it. And then the official specs came out... 2GB of RAM (same as my over two year old S4), max of 32GB of RAM.
The RAM I could probably live with in reality, but I'm not convinced of the 32GB. I added up the amount of storage I'm using now on my S4 combined internal and micro SD card, and plus the system ROM itself, that is going to add up very close to 32GB. I was really intending my next phone to be a 64GB.
I was hoping to keep something in the same size (closer to 5" than 6") instead of the "phablets". But this kind of threw a kink into those plans. Now I'm wondering if the 6P is actually the direction I go (or possibly a Moto X Pure). But I really don't want a phone that big, nor one that costs that much.
Am I missing something? Are there other smaller devices out there that have good/current generation specs? I was looking forward to the unlocked phone being carrier independent, that really puts a crimp in the options. Am trying to sort out my disappointment. I just feel, I don't know, like this is not at all the device I was hoping for.

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I've been using my Galaxy S4 for quite some time now. It's due to be replaced, and I've been following news about the Nexus 5X for a while, very much looking forward to it. And then the official specs came out... 2GB of RAM (same as my over two year old S4), max of 32GB of RAM.
The RAM I could probably live with in reality, but I'm not convinced of the 32GB. I added up the amount of storage I'm using now on my S4 combined internal and micro SD card, and plus the system ROM itself, that is going to add up very close to 32GB. I was really intending my next phone to be a 64GB.
I was hoping to keep something in the same size (closer to 5" than 6") instead of the "phablets". But this kind of threw a kink into those plans. Now I'm wondering if the 6P is actually the direction I go (or possibly a Moto X Pure). But I really don't want a phone that big, nor one that costs that much.
Am I missing something? Are there other smaller devices out there that have good/current generation specs? I was looking forward to the unlocked phone being carrier independent, that really puts a crimp in the options. Am trying to sort out my disappointment. I just feel, I don't know, like this is not at all the device I was hoping for.
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Sounds like you need Sony Z5 compact. However I will say I love my Moto X pure and once you get used to the size it is not bad. I started out with the S4, then G2 and swore that 5.2 is my limit, then moved to 5.5 and swore that was my limit and now I'm at 5.7 and love it. It is a lot smaller than the 6P so I recommend it

The thing is the 2013 nexus 5 still feels as fast as any phone with google's android. Upping the processor but keeping the resolution means it will be even more capable. I mean it has 1080p but the same processor as the G4 which people feel is a great phone. It is going to run like a dream. I wouldn't be surprised if it outperforms WQHD phones running the 810. Just backup your photos/videos and delete them from the phone once in awhile.

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cabadam said:
I've been using my Galaxy S4 for quite some time now. It's due to be replaced, and I've been following news about the Nexus 5X for a while, very much looking forward to it. And then the official specs came out... 2GB of RAM (same as my over two year old S4), max of 32GB of RAM.
The RAM I could probably live with in reality, but I'm not convinced of the 32GB. I added up the amount of storage I'm using now on my S4 combined internal and micro SD card, and plus the system ROM itself, that is going to add up very close to 32GB. I was really intending my next phone to be a 64GB.
I was hoping to keep something in the same size (closer to 5" than 6") instead of the "phablets". But this kind of threw a kink into those plans. Now I'm wondering if the 6P is actually the direction I go (or possibly a Moto X Pure). But I really don't want a phone that big, nor one that costs that much.
Am I missing something? Are there other smaller devices out there that have good/current generation specs? I was looking forward to the unlocked phone being carrier independent, that really puts a crimp in the options. Am trying to sort out my disappointment. I just feel, I don't know, like this is not at all the device I was hoping for.
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Hey man, I feel your pain. I cancelled my order of the 5X after contemplating for a while. It has the specs of the HTC One M7 I had two years ago. It's just unacceptable. If you're someone who has music stored on your phone, has MANY pictures, this might not be the phone for you. If you stream your music, use google photos (online), then you probably be OK with 32GB. 16GB is just a no no.
Like I told someone else in another thread, make a nandroid backup, have a couple ROMS loaded into your phone, you'll already have your storage full on your 16GB phone lol...
I'm really just going to watch many videos and full reviews of the 5X when the time comes; if I hear great things about it I might consider. Like someone said, I agree with Nexus 5 (2013) phones working great and buttery smooth even til now, so why wouldn't the new one?

joshuadjohnson22 said:
Sounds like you need Sony Z5 compact. However I will say I love my Moto X pure and once you get used to the size it is not bad. I started out with the S4, then G2 and swore that 5.2 is my limit, then moved to 5.5 and swore that was my limit and now I'm at 5.7 and love it. It is a lot smaller than the 6P so I recommend it
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I'll take a look at the Z5, that wasn't on my radar. Thanks for the feedback. And yeah, a couple people at work here are telling me that it is just a matter of getting used to the larger phone, that once I do I won't care anymore. I'm skeptical lol...
Evo_Shift said:
The thing is the 2013 nexus 5 still feels as fast as any phone with google's android. Upping the processor but keeping the resolution means it will be even more capable. I mean it has 1080p but the same processor as the G4 which people feel is a great phone. It is going to run like a dream. I wouldn't be surprised if it outperforms WQHD phones running the 810. Just backup your photos/videos and delete them from the phone once in awhile.
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Yeah, I've definitely heard how well the 2013 Nexus 5 kept up - and I guess that's what I was hoping for in the new phone, but it seems the specs are more oriented to "today", not "tomorrow". I think the processsor is fine, RAM I can live with, but that darn 32GB storage. Yikes.
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Hey man, I feel your pain. I cancelled my order of the 5X after contemplating for a while. It has the specs of the HTC One M7 I had two years ago. It's just unacceptable. If you're someone who has music stored on your phone, has MANY pictures, this might not be the phone for you. If you stream your music, use google photos (online), then you probably be OK with 32GB. 16GB is just a no no.
Like I told someone else in another thread, make a nandroid backup, have a couple ROMS loaded into your phone, you'll already have your storage full on your 16GB phone lol...
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This is the EXACT situation I find myself in on my Galaxy S4. Fortunately because of my SD card, that isn't an issue. Given that the Nexus doesn't offer that, it just seems like the 32GB will fill up very fast. I don't want to move to my new phone and then be fighting storage problems all over again in 6-12 months. Apps, etc are only getting larger and fancier as time goes on.

cant have everything at this price point

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cant have everything at this price point
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I'd be perfectly willing to pay for the $50 or whatever to step up from 32GB to 64GB, just like you would typically do. (Well, I still think $50 is overpriced for that, but I'd do it anyway!) But it isn't even an option on the 5X.

cabadam said:
I'd be perfectly willing to pay for the $50 or whatever to step up from 32GB to 64GB, just like you would typically do. (Well, I still think $50 is overpriced for that, but I'd do it anyway!) But it isn't even an option on the 5X.
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well i dont think its that simple. adding one more option adds to the cost of manufacturing and logistics etc which changes their bottom line and marketing tactic or whatever.

I'm more let down by the ram than storage space... 2gb... really? I know my note 4 doesn't have that much more, but my previous phone had 2gb, and I was running low on memory at times.

5X is physically WAY bigger than the LG G2 and there is no wireless charging. 16GB storage with no microSD slot shouldn't exist. This thing is definitely a dud.

I ordered the 32GB version and was annoyed to have to pay $50 extra for it. The 2GB of RAM is beat.

Y'all can't keep comparing an older phone with older processors and operating systems to a newer phone
"I ran out of ram on my 3 year old phone with 2gb of ram blah blah whine whine cry cry"
My newer v6 jeep is faster and more efficient in every way than my old v8 jeep. Same concept. Newer design. Newer technology. Different device.
Between marshmallow, sensor hub, 808 processor, and other newer aspects of the phone. 2gb is fine.
My Nexus 6 running M Preview hasn't used more than 1.4gb ram. And the hardware in the n6 is inferior to the n5x
BEFORE CONTINUING TO CRY ABOUT THE 2GB OF RAM.. PLEASE WAIT TO SEE REAL WORLD RESULTS AND REVIEWS

clninja said:
Y'all can't keep comparing an older phone with older processors and operating systems to a newer phone
"I ran out of ram on my 3 year old phone with 2gb of ram blah blah whine whine cry cry"
My newer v6 jeep is faster and more efficient in every way than my old v8 jeep. Same concept. Newer design. Newer technology. Different device.
Between marshmallow, sensor hub, 808 processor, and other newer aspects of the phone. 2gb is fine.
My Nexus 6 running M Preview hasn't used more than 1.4gb ram. And the hardware in the n6 is inferior to the n5x
BEFORE CONTINUING TO CRY ABOUT THE 2GB OF RAM.. PLEASE WAIT TO SEE REAL WORLD RESULTS AND REVIEWS
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I'm mostly worried about the max of 32GB storage, not the 2GB of RAM (the RAM is just... annoying).

cabadam said:
I'm mostly worried about the max of 32GB storage, not the 2GB of RAM (the RAM is just... annoying).
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I've personally never ran out of space on a 32gb phone but I can definitely see this as an issue for some. For instance those who nandroid alot and those who store their music locally on their phone. An OTG would be a solution but a hassle to have to constantly plug in when you want to use it.
Personally I'd rather buy an OTG for those cases for super cheap than spend an extra $100 for a higher capacity phone

I was so hoping that Google would put a device that was true to the original nexus roots..I felt so let down by the N6
The specs of the N5X are mediocre at best.
16GB mem?
No wireless charging..c'mon..
Don't get me wrong - you're getting a fair bit for the money but I feel they've let the ball drop in a couple of key areas. Had they included those this phone would have smashed all the others..
6P is just way overpriced - huawei trying to get in at the top end of the market. It wont work.
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d3si said:
I was so hoping that Google would put a device that was true to the original nexus roots..I felt so let down by the N6
The specs of the N5X are mediocre at best.
16GB mem?
No wireless charging..c'mon..
Don't get me wrong - you're getting a fair bit for the money but I feel they've let the ball drop in a couple of key areas. Had they included those this phone would have smashed all the others..
6P is just way overpriced - huawei trying to get in at the top end of the market. It wont work.
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An S810, 3GB of RAM, a top of the line camera, fingerprint sensor, and a full metal design for $499, you think that's overpriced? I'd have to disagree, as most if not all phones boasting the same specs are at least $150 more.
Now onto the 5x, yeah, max 32gb rom is a let down, but at the same time, you can work with it. If it doesn't work for you then this isn't the phone for you (why I ordered the 6p). The more important letdown was the 2gb of ram (the bigger reason for me getting the 6p).
There are plenty of people who cannot and will not fill up a 32gb phone, I see it everyday. Just gotta get the device that's right for you ?

I feel my Nexus 5 is still as fast as the best of them today... which just shows how much technology has plateaued. The 1080p display still wows me compared to other 2K phones, and the processor is still fast to me. I don't think I'm willing to give my storm trooper up just yet... maybe the S7 or Nexus 5X2 will have the 820, 1080p, 4 GB of RAM and an awesome camera for 2016 standards.

After having wireless charging for over 2 years, I've sworn to never buy a phone without it again.
It is a wireless phone!
The only time, and I mean the only time, I plug anything into my phone is when I'm flashing it.
Music? Bluetooth. (Or I use a FiiO)
Hands free? Bluetooth
Charging? The official nexus charger is on the side of my nightstand so I can see the phone if it goes off in the middle of the night, and the standard LG WCP-300 elsewhere.
Synchronizing data? Wifi. This happens automatically every night when I'm at home with the "syncme" app
I mean sheeet...I am quite aware the new usb-c is more rugged than micro-usb is, and less annoying since it plugs in every way...but once you charge your phone by just literally setting it down...you're so glad to never have to fish for that stupid cord again.
I even borrowed a router (the woodworking kind) and made a hole in my desk for the LG charger...it sits flush on my desk now and it's like it is never there.
Screw cords. It's 2015.
If a home cordless phone that I buy for $30 or even less can charge without fishing around for a stupid cable to plug in, than DAMMIT, my $400+ cell phone should be able to as well!

Why sit around and cry about the ram and storage? If it isn't for you, get something that is for you, end of story. 32GB of ram is much more than I'd need, I keep all my music downloaded on my tablet, and never play games or do any heavy duty tasks on my phone so the 5X would work just great for me. Everything is made to fit the needs of some people, not all people.

To the guys that say 2GB RAM is not enough. Are you all talking about for heavy multitasking, gaming or general use? Genuinely curious about the need for >2GB RAM on a phone.

Zenfone 3 - The worlds first phone with 5/6 GB of ram?

There are several rumors making their rounds where the ram is now being quoted as being 5 or 6 Gb?? can anyone from Asus comment over this?

5-6gb for what :lol: You want your phone to be a supercomputer or something? Planning to play 'Shadow of Mordor' on your phone?
95% (even 99%) people not using upto 4GB. 4GB is more than enough at least for now.
What we really need/want is better battery life and user experience like better camera, better software, better performance, blah blah...
What I want to see Zenfone 3 is 2 (or even 3) days battery life with a 3000mah (or more) battery, 7-10h screen on time. Not 6GB RAM for nothing and 1.5-2h screen on-time.

@ Archmage1809 ... Completely agree on your point...Most of the smartphones who boast on better processors/ram/software sucks in terms of battery.. Lenovo / Gionee are launching phones with 5000mAh...what is the use of a smartphone if it doesnt give better battery backup.

hey now... why should I NOT get to play 'Shadow of Mordor' on my phone given the chance??... just think... you plug your phone with any bigger screen and boom ... every game you ever wanted is right there!!! OTG to connect a mouse and keyboard and you are all set to go ... no need to buy or carry gaming laptops anymore!! ohh the things I could get done if only this comes along! if you can get a replacement of your laptop/tablet/gaming console ...in a neat all in one package ... why the heck not!!
there are other options for better battery life if anyone wants them ... but for 350~400 $ I get an alternative for 1000$ on a minimum..

What is the use of the phone that allows you to play any game you want but in a few hours you have to keep it for charging ?
Yes, No doubt its a great thing that we might get that much amount of ram in some time but without fixing the battery issue which is a necessity that much amount of ram does not make any sense to me.
If they or for that matter any Smartphone manufacturer want to get something right for now that is battery life. If they do and then give us 5/6 gb of ram it would be awesome.
Asus Zenfone 2 4gb model is giving me only 4h screen on time which is not great at all. If you compare it with other phones in the market right now its the worst out of the lot. Battery is the Achilles Heel for this phone.

King_huzi52 said:
What is the use of the phone that allows you to play any game you want but in a few hours you have to keep it for charging ?
Yes, No doubt its a great thing that we might get that much amount of ram in some time but without fixing the battery issue which is a necessity that much amount of ram does not make any sense to me.
If they or for that matter any Smartphone manufacturer want to get something right for now that is battery life. If they do and then give us 5/6 gb of ram it would be awesome.
Asus Zenfone 2 4gb model is giving me only 4h screen on time which is not great at all. If you compare it with other phones in the market right now its the worst out of the lot. Battery is the Achilles Heel for this phone.
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Agree to this and everyone who says battery is a priority.
@op remember why phones were made. To communicate is the first priority, business application, navigation, news, social media and portable camera. The gaming is just at the end of their priority. Why not buy a device solely made and designed for gaming??? A phone is a phone regardless old tech or smartphone, remember why it was built for in the first place.

King_huzi52 said:
What is the use of the phone that allows you to play any game you want but in a few hours you have to keep it for charging ?
Yes, No doubt its a great thing that we might get that much amount of ram in some time but without fixing the battery issue which is a necessity that much amount of ram does not make any sense to me.
If they or for that matter any Smartphone manufacturer want to get something right for now that is battery life. If they do and then give us 5/6 gb of ram it would be awesome.
Asus Zenfone 2 4gb model is giving me only 4h screen on time which is not great at all. If you compare it with other phones in the market right now its the worst out of the lot. Battery is the Achilles Heel for this phone.
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I get around 4.5 to 5 hours SOT with power nap, greenify, amplify, project T kernal and superZen debloated... With around 18 to 20 standby... You can track my earlier posts here for screenshots as well... So you CAN get more juice if you twist it right... Check that out first...

livewire168 said:
Agree to this and everyone who says battery is a priority.
@op remember why phones were made. To communicate is the first priority, business application, navigation, news, social media and portable camera. The gaming is just at the end of their priority. Why not buy a device solely made and designed for gaming??? A phone is a phone regardless old tech or smartphone, remember why it was built for in the first place.
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Why buy a phone with 4gb when 1gb versions do all that you wrote above... It's a niche market and and should cater to different people.. Let's say they roll out different versions... One with 6gb ram and the other with 6000mah bat.... Everyone is happy..
Capitalism at it's finest..

SBFarooq said:
Why buy a phone with 4gb when 1gb versions do all that you wrote above... It's a niche market and and should cater to different people.. Let's say they roll out different versions... One with 6gb ram and the other with 6000mah bat.... Everyone is happy..
Capitalism at it's finest..
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Fragmentation is why.
We were lucky that Z00A encompassed so many variants, that the same ROM can be used across the board. Z008, ZF 2E, Laser, Selfie, et cetera, weren't so lucky. That group by and large lost out to the developer treats afforded to Z00A.
Bigger battery -> different form factor -> different model.
To say everyone will happy by having more models, is a misunderstanding. The current dumping of models upset a lot of people when they realized they would be left out this time around.

Rather than upping the obvious eyecatchers like RAM that don't really add much to the phone at this point, I'd rather see a Zenfone 2.1 or whatever they want to call it:
Keep the 4GB and the Z3580 (or go Z3590 if they must)
Do something (anything) to improve battery life
Improve the speaker to match the awesomeness-suggesting grill on the back
Include a higher quality camera module that works well in any app, not just ASUS' own
The current CPU and especially RAM should mean it's pretty futureproof, and by keeping the specs roughly the same custom ROMs for the Z00A can be used. ASUS would save on development costs yet produce a cracking phone that could, for the right price, get ASUS' name out there, which would mean a true Zenfone 3 will have to be good when the time comes if they remain serious about the mobile market.

Well I have my hopes up for a plug and play beast... This phone pushed me into learning about Android and Linux on a programming level.. And thanks to Udemy ..I would be ready for something around next year... Thanks for letting me learn something new.. Especially the information about form factors... Really got a different perspective now... But still.. 6gig would be a hellovathing...

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I get around 4.5 to 5 hours SOT with power nap, greenify, amplify, project T kernal and superZen debloated... With around 18 to 20 standby... You can track my earlier posts here for screenshots as well... So you CAN get more juice if you twist it right... Check that out first...
Capitalism at it's finest..
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I dont want to Hijack this thread for an issue I am facing with this phone. But I have tried every possible thing without rooting (as I dont want to void my warranty just yet) But if you have any posts which helps out please advise that I would like to go through it.
Apart from that staying on the topic. No one can make everyone happy. Hence requirements are different for everyone. My priority is Battery as everything else is available in this phone. There are some Gimmicky things which other phones are giving and Asus Zenfone 2 does not have that but I am fine with that.
There are three things which I consider as Cons for this awesome phone..
1. Battery
2. No backlight for capacitive buttons
3. Display is not that bright when at maximum... Check White to Contrast ratio when max.
Bdw as per the NEWS Asus Zenfone 3 would still have 2/4 gb ram not more.

I'd be down for bigger battery but 5gb ram? Don't think we need that in our phones yet.

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I'd be down for bigger battery but 5gb ram? Don't think we need that in our phones yet.
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Agreed, 20% more battery life is 10x better than 20% more RAM.

Will PM you later when free..

4gb ddr3 to 4gb ddr4
22nm to 14nm
Is the best way to go

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Why buy a phone with 4gb when 1gb versions do all that you wrote above... It's a niche market and and should cater to different people.. Let's say they roll out different versions... One with 6gb ram and the other with 6000mah bat.... Everyone is happy..
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What your asking is not a niche but a bespoke phone and Asus marketing strategy focuses on mass general market which does not need a bespoke 6gb and 6000mah battery combo. Their lineup and variants with their prices range should have been a dead give away. Maybe try Samsung or HTC which caters to the higher price range and closer to bespoke market.

2GB is fairly sufficient. I have a Huawei Ascend mate 2 with only 16gb internal, 2gb of RAM and a 128gb micro SD and it's more than enough. I did order this device in the 64gb, 4gb ram version and am anxious to see how it is. It's arriving today. If anyone on here has unlocked their bootloader and rooted, would you mind sharing your expierences and or the simplest way to go about this?

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2GBis fairly sufficient. I have a Huawei Ascend mate 2 with only 16gb internal, 2gb of RAM and a 128gb micro SD and it's more than enough. I did order this device in the 64gb, 4gb ram version and am anxious to see how it is. It's arriving today. If anyone on here has unlocked their bootloader and rooted, would you mind sharing your expierences and or the simplest way to go about this?
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Don't install custom rom yet by unlocking your bootloader. Asus so far has been improving their firmwares almost twice a month if I'm not mistaken and it's getting better as it is. There are rumors that the new fw v2.20.40.127 might be coming out this week with a hefty 123mb more or less file size.
But if the current fw and os does not satisfy you, might I suggest the cm12.1 for zf2 nightly which is one of the most popular roms here and in zentalk and so far as per several user comment the most stable of them all for the zf2 x86 device.

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There are several rumors making their rounds where the ram is now being quoted as being 5 or 6 Gb?? can anyone from Asus comment over this?
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How about 6000 mAh battery? ASUS you feel me?

Axon 7 EU build - RAM management issue?

Been running my Axon on and off for a week (not yet my daily driver due to being lazy with backing up my old phone)... Anyway one thing I have noticed is that the phone seems to be always running at over 50% RAM usage. If I launch one app - or anything else - and then clear all it will revert to running at a variable 1.6 to 2GB of 'available RAM.
Is this normal?
A picture often helps! Sorry that it links off to PhotoBucket - I don't know how to get it to launch in the XDA image window.
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Axon 7
Galaxy S3 for comparison
Since 4GB is supposed to be 'wayyy' more than enough (as reviews on the OnePlus3 naysayers would have me believe) I don't expect to have an out of the box phone running at more than 50% RAM usage - this doesn't make sense to my non-technical self. On my i9300 (Galaxy S3) I run CyanogenMod 13 and that OS runs at 260MB of RAM vs 850MB on the Axon! Can someone explain?
I'm running the B3 update but had this before I applied it.
I am having some other connectivity issues and am considering sending this unit back for exchange. It's just hard to tell when I don't know what 'normal' is for this phone.
I want to love this phone. I just need it to love me!
Thanks guys! :good:

I need to restart my Axon 7 (A2017G) every two days or I will get a laggy UI, it's a ram problem too. So we're probably in the same boat. I hope they'll fix it in the next update (which comes after the bootloader unlock thingy if I'm right?)

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I need to restart my Axon 7 (A2017G) every two days or I will get a laggy UI, it's a ram problem too. So we're probably in the same boat. I hope they'll fix it in the next update (which comes after the bootloader unlock thingy if I'm right?)
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Yes bootloader unlock is being currently worked on, then an update after that.

RAM management in Android isn't about a predefined amount. You're using way more with the Axon 7 than the S3 because there is way more available. If it's there why not use it to get a better experience ?
Altyough, i haven't noticed this laggy ui issue...

keessonnema said:
I need to restart my Axon 7 (A2017G) every two days or I will get a laggy UI, it's a ram problem too. So we're probably in the same boat. I hope they'll fix it in the next update (which comes after the bootloader unlock thingy if I'm right?)
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I agree with this MiFavor is crap when it runs for a longer time. I gets laggy on the second day. One has to reboot to get a smooth system again.
While on my old phone with CM and 4GB Ram it stays blazing fast after a week without reboot.
We can only hope CM isn't to far away.

So, reading between the lines here, you guys. Think it's software rather than hardware?
I'm just building an evidence base to warrant an exchange. Although the prospect of a two month wait leaves me reluctant.

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So, reading between the lines here, you guys. Think it's software rather than hardware?
I'm just building an evidence base to warrant an exchange. Although the prospect of a two month wait leaves me reluctant.
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It sure is software. 4gb ram is more than enough. Really. It's just that MIfavor likes ram and eats it like chocolate.

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It sure is software. 4gb ram is more than enough. Really. It's just that MIfavor likes ram and eats it like chocolate.
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I guess what I really was getting at is how likely is it that the physical RAM is faulty rather than the software being RAM hungry. I ask as it seems my phone is a bit flaky in a few areas and I wonder if it's just like a b-grade item.
But take all the points on board that most likely software. How would I be able to rule out any physical RAM antics?

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I guess what I really was getting at is how likely is it that the physical RAM is faulty rather than the software being RAM hungry. I ask as it seems my phone is a bit flaky in a few areas and I wonder if it's just like a b-grade item.
But take all the points on board that most likely software. How would I be able to rule out any physical RAM antics?
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Look at the chipset. It's an snapdragon 820 which specifies the use of LPDDR4 dual channel.
OEM's usually receive a list of tested and recommended RAM chips from the chipset manufacturer.
No OEM who's right in their mind is going to use cheap RAM for a device that needs to survive at least 3 years of usage. Also less likely is that low powered ram is going to become faulty in a time frame under 10 years.
I plan and build enterprise servers on daily basis. I can a sure you it's software RAM management that is the issue.

Okay cool. Thanks for the clarification.
One technical issue down just two others to resolve!

Sorry for digging the grave, but all I want to say is that even today my Axon 7 with Android Nougat is having memory leak after 2 to 3 days usage. I can't switch between apps properly without them crashing and having to restart completely. But there is good news. According to somebody from ZTE, when the Axon 7 is getting Android 8 (Oreo), though only the US model has been mentioned, the MiFavor is going to be removed and the OS is going to be more or less stock-ish. Which would also mean that hopefully the memeory leakage will be almost gone. Also, hopefully, the EU model will get the same experience. 4GB RAM and memory leak is a bad joke.

i used to have the same issues and what i did is i switched to other launcher instead of using MiFavor... and it solved me lag features and i probably need to reboot my phone once a while when i got unresponsive / slow phone wake... then it back to normal again. But again its still doesn't solve my phone battery drain issue... my phone only can last me 6am to 10pm with normal usage (surfing internet, wifi, youtube, emails, whatsapp and reading novels... no bluetooth and no gaming and no song played).

I'm currently using Lawnchair Launcher and even with Lawnfeed plugin allowing the Google Now page from the left, my phone is very responsive and rarely needs a restart. Appcrash is quite rare.
I recommend Lawnchair if you would like a functional and close to stock (but improved) experience.
I used to use Smart Launcher Pro but that started getting a bit fat, as most apps do over time. Feature bloat always slows them down as they get developed.

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i used to have the same issues and what i did is i switched to other launcher instead of using MiFavor... and it solved me lag features and i probably need to reboot my phone once a while when i got unresponsive / slow phone wake... then it back to normal again. But again its still doesn't solve my phone battery drain issue... my phone only can last me 6am to 10pm with normal usage (surfing internet, wifi, youtube, emails, whatsapp and reading novels... no bluetooth and no gaming and no song played).
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Have you tried completely reinstalling the system? It fixed my drain and also some random reboots that I couldn't get rid of even by updating. Just install Lineage (don't forget abt the universal bootloader and modem), then boot it up and use it a couple minutes (if you want, you can check if you have that same battery drain in Lineage), then follow a guide to go back to stock (if A2017G, I made one; if A2017U, you can use DrakenFX's back to stock files).

Lenovo Yoga Tab 3 Pro (4 GB Ram)

Hi all
Just to say that the new Lenovo Tab 3 pro is out it has the 4 gb ram and the faster cpu.
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/comput...3-pro-10-tablet-64-gb-black-10155326-pdt.html

That must just be a typo on that site no? Why would they do that? If anything they would call it Lenovo Yoga Tab 4 Pro or something. I just got my Tab 3 Pro and love it but wish it had more ram, I was hoping they might announce a v4 at CES this week w/ more ram and faster cpu and the only other thing I would love is AMOLED screen.

Wow there is a 4gb ram one, so weird they just kept the name and everything. i just ordered it, this tablet is amazing only issue is the ram, if this 4gb model fixes the ram issues then it will be amazing. i wish they added amoled screen for the refresh but i guess we cant get everything.

This was a pretty quiet refresh. Bumped processor and RAM but didn't change anything else about it. They also released the Tab 3 Plus, which bumped the processor (8 core) and screen and moved to 2 gigs of ram. Seems like they are still selling the original Tab 3 as a lower-budget version.
Was sorta hoping to see a windows version of the Pro, but there's no sign of a release.

I just got the 4gb tab 3 pro today, I am going to try it out and will report back if the 4gb of ram solves the major issues plaguing the tablet due to the 2gb of ram (which wasnt used well to make matters worse). There is a minor bump in the cpu but its so minor I doubt that will be noticeable.

Would love to see a Tab 3 Plus review, doesn't appear to be much info online... Also limited info available in terms of a release in Canada. Might have to bite the bullet and order off Amazon USA. Thoughts on the Tab 3 Plus anyone? Seem affordable and decent enough specs for a media/games tablet.

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Would love to see a Tab 3 Plus review, doesn't appear to be much info online... Also limited info available in terms of a release in Canada. Might have to bite the bullet and order off Amazon USA. Thoughts on the Tab 3 Plus anyone? Seem affordable and decent enough specs for a media/games tablet.
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Is the plus the one with the 4gb of ram?

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Is the plus the one with the 4gb of ram?
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The new Pro one mentioned above is the one with 4gb ram and has the projector. Appears Plus only has 3 gb of ram and is without the projector. Not very good with the technical spec stuff, so any tips/advice would be great! :laugh:
Plus:
Yoga Tab 3 - 10.1" Android Tablet Computer (Qualcomm Snapdragon 652, 3GB RAM, 32GB SSD, FHD) ZA1N0007US
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Yoga Tab 3 Pro - 10.1" Android Tablet with Projector (Intel Atom x5-Z8550, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD) ZA0F0099US

Klvn88 said:
Would love to see a Tab 3 Plus review, doesn't appear to be much info online... Also limited info available in terms of a release in Canada. Might have to bite the bullet and order off Amazon USA. Thoughts on the Tab 3 Plus anyone? Seem affordable and decent enough specs for a media/games tablet.
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Was going to buy one, but some actual reviews started coming out. The lenovo software lets the system down. It's a fairly standard processor/graphics (not world beating, not a slouch) but there seems to be something going on with audio sync and with an intermittent screen flicker that's giving me pause.
The whole thing should prove to be rootable/flashable, but this tablet's probably too niche to attract much of an xda community (and I'm a novice in that regards)

Just for info, my Tab 3 (YT3-X50F) upgraded to Android 6.0.1 today!
Never expected that. The download is 992Gb.
Only had time to do the upgrade, so I can't tell you if it's improved performance or not.

I'm hovering over the "buy" button on this one and would love to hear any impressions. No reviews for the current model on Amazon.
ETA: Actually, there are a couple paid reviews by clueless Amazon grannies, but not much helpful.

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Was going to buy one, but some actual reviews started coming out. The lenovo software lets the system down. It's a fairly standard processor/graphics (not world beating, not a slouch) but there seems to be something going on with audio sync and with an intermittent screen flicker that's giving me pause.
The whole thing should prove to be rootable/flashable, but this tablet's probably too niche to attract much of an xda community (and I'm a novice in that regards)
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I'm a novice in that regards too. Thanks for your thoughts/findings, I saw the same thing regarding the audio sync issue in the limited reviews that I have seen. If it wasn't of that audio sync issue, I would probably have pulled the trigger already since it seems to be what I am looking for in terms of a media device, but even a slight audio sync issue would annoy the hell out of me!

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I'm hovering over the "buy" button on this one and would love to hear any impressions. No reviews for the current model on Amazon.
ETA: Actually, there are a couple paid reviews by clueless Amazon grannies, but not much helpful.
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The Plus or the Pro? I just got the new 4gb RAM pro and its basically exactly the same as the 2gb ram pro that I am going to return. The differences are obviously the RAM and android 6.0 coming loaded on it. The RAM for me made a HUGE difference. The issue I had with my 2gb pro was that I couldnt play a vidoe in the background (yt red) and then browse websites. It would always close the video, I guess because it ram out of ram. Even worse is it would kill my screen dimming app in the background randomly when it needed ram and that has stopped as well. The 4gb of ram def makes a huge difference.
What sucks is I got the 2gb Pro for $350, and paid full price for the 4gb pro, so I am basically paying $150 more for 2gb of ram. Very annoying.
I am still considering sending both back though. I really need an AMOLED display, the lcd display is too bright for viewing in absolute darkness (99% of my usage) and the screen dimming apps work horrible on LCD screens it seems, they just reduce contrast but the screen is still giving off a lot of light. On the other hand the AMOLED displays just dim the pixels and it works so much better in dark rooms using dimming apps. The only thing keeping me from sending both back is the amazing jbl speakers and the atmos app, the sound on these tablets is mind blowing.
If I could just find a tablet with front facing high quality speakers and amoled screen that would be my perfect tablet, but one doesnt exist
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Looking at the 3gb of ram non-pro model, the main drawback I see is the really low resolution of 1280x800 for me that is too low, I dont like getting a tablet lower than 1080p. EDIT: it seems amazon is wrong, it has a 2560x1600p display. Now I am thinking of sending back both my pro models (2gb and 4gb models) and getting this and saving $200. I dont need the projector or the extra storage and the 3gb of ram should be enough. The main thing holding me back is the bad review mentioned above. I assume this has the exact same display as the pro.
I wonder how the Snap dragon 652 compares to the Atom SoC in the Pro? Anyone any ideas? I assume it has quickcharge 2.0 since the 652 supports it, the pro has quickcharge as well but its some other standard is my guess. (12v a 2amps on my pro)

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The Plus or the Pro? I just got the new 4gb RAM pro and its basically exactly the same as the 2gb ram pro that I am going to return. The differences are obviously the RAM and android 6.0 coming loaded on it. The RAM for me made a HUGE difference.
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Definitely the 4GB Pro. The comparison with the old model is very helpful, thanks! My main concerns are the reports of sluggishness and screen flicker on the older model (attributed on XDA to forced /data encryption), and also whether the Lenovo skinning and/or bloatware are excessive. I'd rather not count on XDA support for such a niche and somewhat pricey model, and from what I've read the methods for the old Pro brick this one. But it sounds like the upgraded RAM and CPU help. Do you find app launching and transitions smooth overall, and the display stable? Any annoyances with proprietary or otherwise preloaded apps?

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Definitely the 4GB Pro. The comparison with the old model is very helpful, thanks! My main concerns are the reports of sluggishness and screen flicker on the older model (attributed on XDA to forced /data encryption), and also whether the Lenovo skinning and/or bloatware are excessive. I'd rather not count on XDA support for such a niche and somewhat pricey model, and from what I've read the methods for the old Pro brick this one. But it sounds like the upgraded RAM and CPU help. Do you find app launching and transitions smooth overall, and the display stable? Any annoyances with proprietary or otherwise preloaded apps?
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I have noticed screen flicker but I didnt notice it on the original 2gb pro either. Maybe that is only on the snapdragon versions? It's not really sluggish but its not extremely fast when web browsing for example, but its not sluggish. I havent rooted or removed encryption because one guy tried to unencrypt and load recovery using the method for the 2gb version and I think he bricked it, he said he was RMA'ing it back to Lenovo (hope he doesnt have issues, I would think he voided his warranty )
The RAM def helps I can say that for sure, as I mention I couldnt run anything in the background without it being auto killed, now no such problem so far. I think the 6.0 is pretty good, it feels better than the 5.1 on the 2gb version, seems they fine tuned things a bit. As far as bloat I find it to be fairly unbloated, but I didnt think the 5.1 2gb versionw as too bloated either. It had a horrible implementation of the OS it seemed (due to the ram issue, 2gb is not a lot but it shouldnt have been as bad as it was with 2gb). They must have cleaned that up because I notice it rarely goes over 1.6-1.8gb of ram used. I will pay attention to the display more, I havent used it much yet, but will report back after some more time with it while specifically keeping an eye on the display.

Was talking to a Lenovo Sales Rep on their online chat system about the audio sync issue and she was saying they have "received information that all issues have been fixed." I asked her to be specific about the audio sync issue and she confirmed they were told the audio sync issue has been fixed. Any idea if this is true or was she just saying what she thought I wanted to hear?
Really like the Tab 3 Plus, sooo close to pulling the trigger, esp now that Lenovo Canada has it available for purchase... with a 3-4 week estimated shipping time though. Lame!

I had a go of the plus this afternoon, but in the UK they are selling the Pro 64gb version for £350 quid and the plus version is £250. Anyway I thought i would get the Pro version again after all as it seems to be the best of the bunch.

Just ordered the 3 Pro 4GB. Hope it's a good tablet.

I just ordered it after reading tons of reviews... I will try to play with it trying to get debian running

Does anyone here face poor battery life? Android System consumes over 50% of the entire battery all the time.