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Is Samsung is turning to Apple with Galaxy S 3?

Hi, with all this hype for GS3 and this little update to the hardware? Look at LG already with 2GB ram Optimus LTE2.
So Samsung is not even trying to push the hardware. we all seen the HD screen already on other phones and the zero lag camera (software).
What you guy's think. Are we seeing another Apple like updates?
Dont make a war. Just real opinions.

In some way i kinda agree with you. You are getting in all the threads now and forums fanboys running around having a go at each other on whos phone is better than the others..Its like who has the biggest one and not
Phone is good top notch handset. But still not the kind that would of wowed me. Great innovative apps and the phone has some nice features but also my phone has that to. So you will get people coming from the s2 who will buy this phone anyway. No matter what specs it has just because it has the Galaxy brand on it and it is the newest in town people will buy it no matter what specially after all the secrecy surrounded the phone.
So kinda in a way the samsung guys are like the new sheep and sammy is turning into apple..but at least with this turn of events you get the freedom of android and you can do what you want with your phone instead of being accustomed to one thing with the iphone

What's wrong with the 1Gig of RAM on the GS3?
And let me ask this would you really want an LG phone just because it has more RAM? Raw specs alone don't make a phone or LG would be doing great right now. You have to marry the hardware and software to get a great experience and Samsung has the ability to make it happen, the GS3 will be a great device no need to worry about it.
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Captain_Nero said:
What's wrong with the 1Gig of RAM on the GS3?
And let me ask this would you really want an LG phone just because it has more RAM? Raw specs alone don't make a phone or LG would be doing great right now. You have to marry the hardware and software to get a great experience and Samsung has the ability to make it happen, the GS3 will be a great device no need to worry about it.
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not worrying about anything mate. just thought with all the rumors we been hearing and reading that the s3 would of been at least kinda 1.5GB or 2gb. either way like i said the handset is a major upgrade from the s2 but not the big one i expected. nonetheless still a great phone

NoobTerminator said:
not worrying about anything mate. just thought with all the rumors we been hearing and reading that the s3 would of been at least kinda 1.5GB or 2gb. either way like i said the handset is a major upgrade from the s2 but not the big one i expected. nonetheless still a great phone
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Do people need 1.5 GB of RAM on a phone yet? I know things are moving really fast in the mobile world and it's better to have and not need then need and not have but do S2 owners run low on RAM? It's an honest question as I don't have one and wouldn't know.
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Do people need 1.5 GB of RAM on a phone yet? I know things are moving really fast in the mobile world and it's better to have and not need then need and not have but do S2 owners run low on RAM? It's an honest question as I don't have one and wouldn't know.
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no of course there is no need for more RAM. But as you said technology is moving fast and i was kinda expecting it to have the tad minor upgrade in RAM. Still though 1GB is more than good enough. But like i said being the new flagship and all i kinda half expected it to be more..

samomamo said:
Hi, with all this hype for GS3 and this little update to the hardware? Look at LG already with 2GB ram Optimus LTE2.
So Samsung is not even trying to push the hardware. we all seen the HD screen already on other phones and the zero lag camera (software).
What you guy's think. Are we seeing another Apple like updates?
Dont make a war. Just real opinions.
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They are definitely trying to play the hype game now and it's working. Hardware wise, I don't think so. If you compare the S1 to the S2, the differences didn't seem that impressive at the time either. Same resolution screen, slightly larger. At least not to me. They have to make a phone that is both cutting edge and affordable, and I think they are doing that with this phone. But I guess we will see when it really hits the market.

Ics takes lots of ram. I have thw Galaxy note and the s2 i have 100 something free all the time and I always close whichever app im using and removed all the bloatware

It's an interesting direction by Samsung, the new features look interesting, will have to see if they're actually useful. I can't imagine me using that health app though! Hardware wise I'm in the camp where pentile doesn't matter when its 720p. Can't comment on the RAM though, but more doesn't hurt but god damn they could have stopped using glossy plastic. For all their talks about 'natural design', I have not seen a single pebble that looks as shiny/plasticky as this.

samomamo said:
Ics takes lots of ram. I have thw Galaxy note and the s2 i have 100 something free all the time and I always close whichever app im using and removed all the bloatware
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im using gnote with ics too... without killing any task , i have 2XX mb ram and after task killing , i get 40X mb... why is ur device taking so much ram ? i guess this is user problem ?

more ram is just a marketing gimmick, nothing more.

Agreeed!!!!
We have plenty
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Samsung's focusing on user experience now by improving the software
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2 GB would have been idea to run VMware in a Quad core
no point having a Quad core when you can't even run multiple OS virtually

I believe that the main focus of the newly released Samsung phone is the softwares enhancing the user experiance, nothing really fancy about the hardware, if the softwares/addons works as expected then it will be really a milestone for samsung, if not then it will be a fiasco !

hamade said:
I believe that the main focus of the newly released Samsung phone is the softwares enhancing the user experiance, nothing really fancy about the hardware, if the softwares/addons works as expected then it will be really a milestone for samsung, if not then it will be a fiasco !
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that's definitely what it is
the best part is.... all those Apps, they can be back ported to SGS1 and SGS2
only via XDA

While LG has a great new phone, I don't think it will be beating the GS3 in any real practical category. Sammy has one beast of a phone with the new GS3 and just wait for the reviews to flow in.
Seriously, this is Samsung we're talking about the same guys who brought us GS1 and GS2. This phone already blows everything out tha water including the One X. Even with the same performance i woulda picked Samsung cause of their superior R&D and those new real practical features such as eye tracking.

LG software is crap. So is Huawei's sw even though they claim to have the fastest phone. Samsung has really improved their software from SGS1 days. Im still impressed about the web browser in the SGS2. Only thing id like to have is completely redesigned Touchwiz, Samsung does not need to look like iPhone anymore.

I have latest ICS on S2 with about 260mb of ram mostly free. No tasks killer. Samsung would sure know if they needed more than 1gb ram.i personally so not think it is needed. More than 300 apps installed btw on my phone.The new beast has been well thought through.have a second look.
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hamade said:
I believe that the main focus of the newly released Samsung phone is the softwares enhancing the user experiance, nothing really fancy about the hardware, if the softwares/addons works as expected then it will be really a milestone for samsung, if not then it will be a fiasco !
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-Battery life (more than 20% improvement just with the new exonus, plus higher battery rating). Samsung is claiming 2 days. Now, even a whole day it's sufficient.
-64gb micro sd can be used by default.
-zero shutter lag, 24 pictures in 3 secs.
-gorilla glass 2.
-etc
That's not just software improvements.they are major.
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I played around with the S3 at a Bell store today...

... and noticed that all 3 demo'd devices were a bit... laggish. I mean, I tried running a game (blood and glory) and I noticed some frame skipping while no other apps running. I tried scrolling through lists in Google Play or Settings and noticed some sluggish preformance, kindly like using an HTC device.
Then I noticed while downloading an app, it started locking up the phone and became unresponsive at times until the download was complete, twice as slow as my GS2. This seemed a bit confusing.
I'm just having a bit of a dilemma as to whether it makes sense to upgrade to the North American version or buy the international version since it's better spec'd for performance.
What say you?

Probably had numerous processes running. You can close out of an app, but it can still run in he background.

That's the thing, I did by closing all apps and via task manager as well as clearing memory option. It was very odd.

ive been rethinking my purchase since jellybean.
i doubt ill switch to the nexus though.

I don't know about Bell but a lot of times AT&T demo's have special programs on them that run like a video brochure for customers to see many of the phones features and this program can't be unactivated.
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I have a White SGS3 for AT&T and I will tell you it runs lag free!!!

I don't have lag neither it might have been their units maybe someone install something that weren't supposed to, I do not have any lag
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Not lagging here at all... So not sure what was going on
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did you try rebooting the phone?

I have the Telus Galaxy s 3, there is no lag and it is smooth and super fast compared to my galaxy note.

Zero lag.

This thing runs circles around my razr maxx running aokp. It is decently quicker than my transformer prime too.
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I've actually noticed a similar thing with my SGS3. I'm coming from the original Atrix 4G with Gingerbread. That thing was so impressively fast that it would keep up with my absolute fastest taps (I just know where buttons are and I wouldn't even wait for the next menu to draw on screen before tapping).
I expected the S3 to be at least as fast but then I noticed something; ICS is a BEAST! ICS seems to be very labor intensive to run and this translates to the SGS3 being maybe 15% slower with general navigation. Not such an enormous issue (and Jelly Bean will likely fix that), but it gets worse with games.
Games never had an issue on my Atrix, then again I was never running NOVA 3 with a PS3 controller. The Snapdragon S4's video core just doesn't seem to be that powerful. Many games, even ones that are months old drop (many) frames when settings are turned up. The worst culprit however is NOVA 3 (probably the most advanced game). Maybe the version I'm running just isn't optimized for the Snapdragon, but that **** lags like a little *****! Barely pushing 5-10fps during on screen action. The international SGS3 with the Mali400 video core seems to be so far advanced that even the most labor intensive game can't begin to tax it...
Sad, just our plight. But it gets even worse. The Snapdragon is supposed to be super duper advanced and truly future tech, but NOW. It is amazing that it can even keep up with the most advanced quad-core of today, but it's biggest benefit is supposed to be battery life. Smaller manufacturing process, half the cores, advanced architecture, but only maybe a 10% improvement in battery life. Would you pass up LTE for better local performance? Maybe not. (They used the Snapdragon S4 because it has LTE built in and using the Exynos would mean needing a second LTE chip and SUPER ****TY battery life)
I don't really know much, but I feel like manufacturers should focus more on how to reduce the power consumption of the screen because I'm not sure how power hungry the processor is while I'm just reading an article in my browser (or playing a simple game for that matter). While AMOLED's are beautiful, I would prefer to have just a nice screen that frikin lasts a complete goddamn day at sufficient brightness for me to SEE ****!!(especially in the blasted sun!).
Samsungs quad-core is the processor of TODAY that all high end phones should match (not the case at all though). Dunno how they got the power consumption under control, but they did an excellent job. The rest of the world is very fortunate since their phones probably will not 'feel' slow in a year or two. As for the US? Well if it weren't for the rest of the package being so complete, the phone already feels dated to me. This phone, no, this generation of phones, seems to be more of a sidestep. Just like the SGS2 vs SGS3, there's a lot of the same stuff there, but it's all been a little more refined.
Ultimately, it was time for a new phone. This one should hold out for the next 18 months. After all, it is the undisputed best Android (the OneX is DOA due to it's lack of an SD slot; HTC is just plain stupid). In the next generation, I would really really really like to see some Pixel Q screen equivalent development, increased battery life, performance is a given, and some really clean designs with not so many lines and crap all over the place.
All that being said, the SGS3 is truly a beautiful phone in every respect. The enormous screen is packaged such that it feels so sleek and small and NOT cumbersome, that I actually want a larger screen because the whole phone feels smaller than it looks. I have an extremely high standard and this phone has yet to really annoy me with anything. It's an all around good phone.
Sorry for the long reply, I got a little carried away.

Its hard to judge a phones performance based on demo units. Think about how many people come into the store and mess around with the phone doing god knows what, installing who knows what, etc. Only way to really judge the performance is to play with a brand new one.

When people say zero lag, most of the time it is because their standards ridiculously low. They might be coming from a much slower device, or they really treasure their phone and subconsciously ignore lag. Whatever the case, there's definitely lag with the TW launcher. I use Apex, and there is much less lag with that launcher.

nabbed said:
When people say zero lag, most of the time it is because their standards ridiculously low. They might be coming from a much slower device, or they really treasure their phone and subconsciously ignore lag. Whatever the case, there's definitely lag with the TW launcher. I use Apex, and there is much less lag with that launcher.
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Haha I had some lag from time to time but then I flashed a debloated rom and this phone flies. Too much crap on the US phones - like always. This Snapdragon cpu is pretty sick! I get great battery life and thats comming from a razr maxx, but then again I am no longer using the power sucking verizon lte network.
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I appreciate all the replies. It definitely helps to provide some perspective. I will definitely try the phone with the 15 day return option JUST in case and see how this baby runs with de-bloated roms.
Thanks!

xoltrix2000 said:
I appreciate all the replies. It definitely helps to provide some perspective. I will definitely try the phone with the 15 day return option JUST in case and see how this baby runs with de-bloated roms.
Thanks!
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Don't root if you plan on returning. Just an FYI Samsung seems to have done a fast job porting ics onto the gs3. A lot of the apps are actually compiled in gingerbread which lack GPU and other performance enhancements
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You can root just make sure you use the root method that does not activate the counter. It's a sticky in the development section.
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Pick it up finally from Bell yesterday... HORRY SHEET! As expected, this thing is mind blasting! I did not think Google Maps could lock and navigate any faster, seriously.
Only thing that is sad is a lot of the games do not work for it yet. Can't wait till that happens.

Do you think 2gb enough for Samsung's heavy TouchWiz?

So I am interested what do you think. Is 2gb of ram enough to avoid any lagg?
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For average smartphone user like my mom, father or my brother yes. Its more than enough. My mother has LWP, some widgets, almost all stock even Samsung launcher. she's using phone for texting, learning, web browsing... in her phone she has only 768mb RAM on phone alavaible, 200-300 free no lag. She is happy. But who someone who like to have TONS of widgets, launchers and other heavy apps somentimes I see small lag like 2 seconds. But I downloaded like 350-400 apps/games lots is running in background. So lag is my/bad apps fault, im sure of this. When I unistall those most RAM hungry I have 800 RAM free.
Time to delete some apps. I dont need 4 app monitors, 5 file organisers and so
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Hrm, the question isn't really 'is it okay today' because it's kind of okay right now, but in 12 months will it still be ok? I mean, if we're throwing a huge amount of cash dollars at this phone is it going to last 2 years?
I'd foresee no. Apps aren't lightweight anymore and their coders are exploiting the growth in power in the phones. I think in 12 months there will be some frustrating times making you wonder why they saved $4 a phone at manufacturing. And we know the answer is simple. If the phone was amazing, they wouldn't get away with 12 month new releases.

ewa12321 said:
For average smartphone user like my mom, father or my brother yes. Its more than enough. My mother has LWP, some widgets, almost all stock even Samsung launcher. she's using phone for texting, learning, web browsing... in her phone she has only 768mb RAM on phone alavaible, 200-300 free no lag. She is happy. But who someone who like to have TONS of widgets, launchers and other heavy apps somentimes I see small lag like 2 seconds. But I downloaded like 350-400 apps/games lots is running in background. So lag is my/bad apps fault, im sure of this. When I unistall those most RAM hungry I have 800 RAM free.
Time to delete some apps. I dont need 4 app monitors, 5 file organisers and so
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Same here, TW doesn't lag at all when not loaded with 300+ apps, but some people still live in 2011.

Lets see I had the GS3, GS4, GN2 and GN3 and of those devices only 1 had 3GB of RAM and ALL worked just fine for me. So to answer the 2GB of RAM issue you will be just fine. KitKat 4.4.2 is even more optimized and runs even better on lower RAM devices. About 18 months ago we only saw 1GB of RAM on devices and now we have 2-3GB of RAM so I don't see a problem.

No idea why people would have hundreds of apps on their devices. For me, I probably have 40-50 apps installed at any given time...and that's being pretty generous. 2GB will be more than enough for me.

This is kind of a trivial question. First there's the philosophy of trying to utilise as little RAM as possible, thus being efficient on both RAM and battery. Secondly there's the hunt for specs; we all want more and more RAM, more and more milliamps on that battery. That makes sense, more = better, but when you combine these 2 things, there is a limit on both. I don't even use 3GB of RAM on my pc (have 4). Not even photoshop uses that much (unless you are some crazy artist - but then you'd be using a workstation with 64GB of RAM).
TL;DR: 2GB will be enough until phones become desktop replacements.

RAM isn't the biggest reason why TW lags - the Note 3 has 3 gigs and it still has hiccups even when there's plenty of RAM available. TouchWiz is a horrible human creation that apart from a few aspects should not even exist. Sonys, HTCs and even LGs modern smartphones are virtually lag free even though they have their own skins just like Samsung.
So to answer the OPs question, no I don't think 2 or even 22 gigs of RAM would make the SGS5 lag free.

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RAM isn't the biggest reason why TW lags - the Note 3 has 3 gigs and it still has hiccups even when there's plenty of RAM available. TouchWiz is a horrible human creation that apart from a few aspects should not even exist. Sonys, HTCs and even LGs modern smartphones are virtually lag free even though they have their own skins just like Samsung.
So to answer the OPs question, no I don't think 2 or even 22 gigs of RAM would make the SGS5 lag free.
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You do know that it is Android 4.4.2 and a totally new Touch Wiz version, you can say nothing about how it performs before you have tested it unless you actually are psychic!

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you can say nothing about how it performs before you have tested it unless you actually are psychic!
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You are right about this. Based on Samsungs (or rather TouchWiz) track record I don't have high expectations though. I also seriously doubt they have completely rewritten TW, they have just changed some of the looks in it. And my point still stands - modern smartphones with modern processors and a relatively good amount of RAM should run Android fine without lag. If competition can do it, so can Samsung. If they lag with the same hardware that competition doesn't lag with, then there is something different in the software that differs from competitors e.g. skins, launchers etc.

Can't answer that yet nobody knows how the new TW will perform. One thing is for sure I will always replace the standard UI with either Apex or Nova Launcher.
I'm only using important apps because a smartphone to me is still a phone, so I hardly have any games, widgets or all that stuff installed but having said that more RAM can never be a bad thing, nobody knows what the future holds. When it comes down to more and more multitasking 3 GB should provide a smoother experience despite all the optimization.

I have owned the Galaxy S3, S4, Galaxy Note 2 and Galaxy Note 3 and while I experience some lag on the S3 and Note 2, I didn't notice anything major on the S4 or Note 3 and maybe its just me, how I use it or I missed it. I think Samsung continues to improve on their UI and unless we ditch them as an OEM we are stuck with it. I do wish they would go stock Android like they do on the GPE and just put their added apps into it but that won't ever happen.
I have chosen my next phone and pre-ordered my accessories, the Galaxy S5 is what I will be getting, I like what Samsung does, what they offer and ultimately I am happy with their gear.

Just updated my Sprint S4 to 4.4.2 and there is no lag at all 110 apps installed. Blazing fast, looking forward to the same in the S5

Nice to hear. So I am buying s5 instead of z2 becouse I hate sony's design.
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Most of the phones today come with 2GB of RAM, the phablets come with 3GB perhaps due to the larger screen, more likely to have multiple windows open (dual apps) not sure why we the S5 doesn't have it. The G3 is supposed to have a 2k display which again is just a specs war thing. A 2k display is useless and unnecessary on a 5-6" display because it will require a much bigger battery just to match what it got last year.

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A 2k display is useless and unnecessary on a 5-6" display because it will require a much bigger battery just to match what it got last year.
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I saw an interview last fall from one of the manufacturers considering 2k screens and he said that they abandoned it at the time because the resolution difference resulted in a whopping 60% more battery consumption compared to a full HD screen.
I'll use the LG G2 as an example because it was considered quite long lasting. It had 3000 mAh, and to compare the G3 would need 4800. I'll repeat myself, 4800 mAh just to be on par with the G2. How many of you honestly think that's going to happen anytime soon? Even the massive phablets don't sport batterys even close to that capacity.

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I saw an interview last fall from one of the manufacturers considering 2k screens and he said that they abandoned it at the time because the resolution difference resulted in a whopping 60% more battery consumption compared to a full HD screen.
I'll use the LG G2 as an example because it was considered quite long lasting. It had 3000 mAh, and to compare the G3 would need 4800. I'll repeat myself, 4800 mAh just to be on par with the G2. How many of you honestly think that's going to happen anytime soon? Even the massive phablets don't sport batterys even close to that capacity.
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Well said. For me 1080p displays on a 5-6" screen work just fine for me, nothing against higher res dislays but lets not put them there for specs sake, do it because they offer something.
I will get the GS5 now and wait to see what the GN4 looks like in the fall and trade up or wait for the GS6 and trade up then.

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I saw an interview last fall from one of the manufacturers considering 2k screens and he said that they abandoned it at the time because the resolution difference resulted in a whopping 60% more battery consumption compared to a full HD screen.
I'll use the LG G2 as an example because it was considered quite long lasting. It had 3000 mAh, and to compare the G3 would need 4800. I'll repeat myself, 4800 mAh just to be on par with the G2. How many of you honestly think that's going to happen anytime soon? Even the massive phablets don't sport batterys even close to that capacity.
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Plus 1, 2k is overkill, way overkill. But smartphone displays can still improve at 1080p. For example Sony can have better viewing angles and colors, Samsung could use better whites... Things like that otherwise 1080p is great.
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Lets see I had the GS3, GS4, GN2 and GN3 and of those devices only 1 had 3GB of RAM and ALL worked just fine for me. So to answer the 2GB of RAM issue you will be just fine. KitKat 4.4.2 is even more optimized and runs even better on lower RAM devices. About 18 months ago we only saw 1GB of RAM on devices and now we have 2-3GB of RAM so I don't see a problem.
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I don't know what the point of lying is. Why do it? The GS3 is infamous for being laggy becuse of touchwiz. Mine was no different. For you to say there was none on yours is simply a falsehood.

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I don't know what the point of lying is. Why do it? The GS3 is infamous for being laggy becuse of touchwiz. Mine was no different. For you to say there was none on yours is simply a falsehood.
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The Gs3 didn't lag for me AT ALL. The S4 however did a lot.
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Moto S

Check this out
http://m.gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/n...-with-snapdragon-810-4gb-of-ram-report-629471
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It just seems like your average rumors article with no source.
If it is true, then it'll definitely outclass the Nexus 6. But as of now, we don't have any compelling evidence.

Of course there will be a phone coming out next year that will smash the N6. And guess what, there will be a phone coming out in 2016 that will smash that phone.

Sounds similar to the Z4, G4, M9 rumors for 2915!

So... In 6 months (optimistically) there will be a snapdragon 810 version of the nexus with a slightly bigger battery... Cool. This isn't really surprising. Generally phones only stay bleeding edge for about 6 months anyway. Might consider grabbing this in a year (or see what the note 5 and new nexus look like).

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Of course there will be a phone coming out next year that will smash the N6. And guess what, there will be a phone coming out in 2016 that will smash that phone.
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Actually not really.... We get big bumps every 18-24 months and everything in between is incremental..... Consider the Note 3 to Note 4....thats not a very significant upgrade at all in terms on the SoC. Ticks and tocks. The 805 was a tick compared to the 800/802. The 810 will be a tock.

4GB of ram... Interesting. Why?

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4GB of ram... Interesting. Why?
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tl;dr - Allows developers a higher ceiling of capability in their apps and content. People are doing more now than they were a year or two ago on their phones.
Phones are starting to become people's sole connected device. I know me personally, if I wasn't developing, I'd almost exclusively use a phone and keep an old dusty laptop around for office related tasks.
Applications are becoming much more complex from a developer standpoint, and having more resources means we can make things even more complex without being so resource-conscious. You figure OS's nowadays on these 3GB RAM phones are constantly eating up 1GB themselves. The whole point of RAM from a user standpoint is to make the phone more fluid by not constantly needing to re-access data. The more stuff you can store in dynamic RAM, the less times a task has to relaunch itself. Provides a more fluid user experience.
Look at PCs. 5 years ago unless you were a gamer, you would have asked "Why on earth would I want 12GB of RAM in my PC?". Now look at PCs. It's impossible to walk into a retailer and find a PC with less than 4GB, and most have 8GB-12GB with a few 16GB models on the floor or on a website. That's because if you compare PC use to 20 years ago, people are running the pentagon off of their PCs.
tl;dr - Allows developers a higher ceiling of capability in their apps and content.

This reminds me when the gs3 came out with 2 modules one with 2gb and the other with faster soc. A lot of people were jealous of the international variant with I believe was a quad-core stating android need nothing more than 1gb of ram... fast forward 2 years later the phone with 2gb was upgraded to kitkat meanwhile the later stuck on JB
Ram matters especially with so many apps running services in the background, gapps, facebook, skype, etc. I have a back up s2 Hercules and in 2011 that phone flew felt like nothing could slow it down...now lag lag, freeze freeze close apps etc.

this doesn't change much for VZW users depending if the bootloader is locked or not.

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This reminds me when the gs3 came out with 2 modules one with 2gb and the other with faster soc. A lot of people were jealous of the international variant with I believe was a quad-core stating android need nothing more than 1gb of ram... fast forward 2 years later the phone with 2gb was upgraded to kitkat meanwhile the later stuck on JB
Ram matters especially with so many apps running services in the background, gapps, facebook, skype, etc. I have a back up s2 Hercules and in 2011 that phone flew felt like nothing could slow it down...now lag lag, freeze freeze close apps etc.
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Hah. I was a GS3 early adopter that pre-ordered mine. I called the advantage of the 2Gb of ram over the faster SoC all the way back then but all the kids could do was post benchmark scores that "clearly made their device better"..... Lol now both are comparatively slow but only one has enough memory to actually be viable.

4GB ram vs 3GB is much less of an impact than when we were going from 1GB to 2GB. The money could be better spent on a variety of other things for a phone being released next year.

Tripsyk said:
tl;dr - Allows developers a higher ceiling of capability in their apps and content. People are doing more now than they were a year or two ago on their phones.
Phones are starting to become people's sole connected device. I know me personally, if I wasn't developing, I'd almost exclusively use a phone and keep an old dusty laptop around for office related tasks.
Applications are becoming much more complex from a developer standpoint, and having more resources means we can make things even more complex without being so resource-conscious. You figure OS's nowadays on these 3GB RAM phones are constantly eating up 1GB themselves. The whole point of RAM from a user standpoint is to make the phone more fluid by not constantly needing to re-access data. The more stuff you can store in dynamic RAM, the less times a task has to relaunch itself. Provides a more fluid user experience.
Look at PCs. 5 years ago unless you were a gamer, you would have asked "Why on earth would I want 12GB of RAM in my PC?". Now look at PCs. It's impossible to walk into a retailer and find a PC with less than 4GB, and most have 8GB-12GB with a few 16GB models on the floor or on a website. That's because if you compare PC use to 20 years ago, people are running the pentagon off of their PCs.
tl;dr - Allows developers a higher ceiling of capability in their apps and content.
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Most users will not see much benefit in using more than 3-4gb. Manufacturers include the additional hardware because they realize the average consumer is ill informed and will purchase bases on emotion. Even I child can will tell you that 12gb is better than 8gb. I think same applies to phones. Only phone that is justified in adding more than 2gb is the Note. In every other case, the manufacturer is just playing on consumer ignorance and impulse.

So do we have any legit info on this?

High RAM usage

Stock ROM, rooted, no XPOSED
My RAM usage is constantly over 90%. Phone also lags from time to time. Sometimes music player apps even get force closed due to the phone's poor RAM management. Already did factory reset twice, nothing has changed. Not sure if I'm the only one who's having this issue. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Android along with all modern OS use all the RAM they have available. This isn't WinXP days were things go to swap space and severely slow the OS down in the process. Unused items close in the background when RAM is needed. This is a feature, not a bug.
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phone has 2.5gb ram not 3gb and onlly 500 to 700 mb free generally, only google play services and google apps like google, map and android wear and all keeps over 1gb of total 2.5gb ram, this phone has really poor ram management

Aftab_khatri said:
phone has 2.5gb ram not 3gb and onlly 500 to 700 mb free generally, only google play services and google apps like google, map and android wear and all keeps over 1gb of total 2.5gb ram, this phone has really poor ram management
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Very true, when I had this phone I didn't even enable the Motorola functions to keep it at 1.6GB of RAM usage and I still thought that was extremely high...
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I'm noticing the same. Side by side with my trusty Nexus 6, and both having 3GB of ram, the N6 will keep apps open longer than my MXPure. N6 is showing 1.6 GB of memory available while the MxPure has only 700MB. It sucks because i stopped using my GS6edge for that same reason. I just want to be able to consistently swap between 4 different apps and not have them reload...

Yikes!
I haven't even gotten mine sent to me yet, and a little worried already. Are there any workarounds, or overclocking solutions in the makes, for the Moto X pure?
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freeze unused apps

papamalo said:
I haven't even gotten mine sent to me yet, and a little worried already. Are there any workarounds, or overclocking solutions in the makes, for the Moto X pure?
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Don't be too alarmed. It's a great phone. I still like it more than my S6edge and Nexus 6. Im hoping with the Marshmallow update that maybe they'll fix some of these issues. *fingers crossed*

Paging Dr B said:
Don't be too alarmed. It's a great phone. I still like it more than my S6edge and Nexus 6. Im hoping with the Marshmallow update that maybe they'll fix some of these issues. *fingers crossed*
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I wonder what the most Ram-Hogging apps are on this phone? Any tests done yet about that?

Are people experiencing forced reloading / refreshing ? I've not had any issues with my European Style.
Compared to the S6 Edge (I was the creator of the first aggressive ram thread on the S6 Edge) its like night and day and easily comparable to my Nexus 6.
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I've noticed exactly the same. I also came from a Nexus 6. Yesterday I did a side-by-side test with the Nexus 6, and opened the same apps. The Moto X had to reload way earlier.
Checking the memory usage in Settings -> Apps -> Running showed that "System Memory" took up around 160Mb on the Nexus 6 but 1.2Gb on the Moto X!! This is with exactly the same apps running (apart from the Moto stuff of course).
It does seem strange that the system would use that much more memory. In many aspects the phones are the same (screen size in pixels, installed memory size etc.). This is one of the most annoying things about the Moto X, and the only reason that I am considering sending it back.
I'm really hoping that Marshmallow fixes this in some way.

Unused ram is wasted ram... Watch videos of the s6 ram management. S6 might open apps faster than moto x pure on first launch, but moto x reopens them much faster.

^^ The S6 ram management is terrible even if there are only 4apps open, all apps will reload back from the start.
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DrearierJester1 said:
^^ The S6 ram management is terrible even if there are only 4apps open, all apps will reload back from the start.
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That's the point I'm making... S6 I believe has lots of free ram. I just want others to realize, more free ram might be an aggressive method of ram management. I find the mxp to be great with it.

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That's the point I'm making... S6 I believe has lots of free ram. I just want others to realize, more free ram might be an aggressive method of ram management. I find the mxp to be great with it.
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No the S6 doesn't have a lot of free ram. When you open application manager and check ram through there and click show cached processes it has very little ram free. Smart manager Samsung own manager is deceitful.
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High RAM use has not impacted my phones performance. My understanding is that the phone uses all the ram on purpose to speed things up.
My biggest worry was that high RAM use would bump out my automation tools (tasker), and keep them from triggering which would force me to put them in foreground mode, but I have not had to do this, tasker always triggers fine, even with ram at 100%.

It is frustrating when you're using Chrome and you tab out of Chrome to use another app and then tab back in and it has to reload the web page. I wish I had the ability to set the priority on things that I would like to have stay in memory and not reload.

Total RAM will almost always appears to be less than what the phone is described as having. The kernel has settings that keep certain amounts tucked away for system specific tasks and makes it unavailable to the rest of the OS. On the Spectrum we were able to go from about 700MB, to 820MB available by tweaking these settings. I imagine it won't be much harder in the MXP.

The main problem isn't low free RAM, as many have said, that is a good thing - lots of cached processes/Activities will shrink relaunch times.
The issue is that, at least compared to the Nexus 6, the Moto X is clearly terminating Activities way more aggressively, and it's really annoying.
I can't even run 4 apps without the first one restarting. It's infuriating.

Preparing to get a new phone soon,
this killapp concern now becomes my last question before getting X Style, or the ultimate deal breaker.....
Really hope to hear more feedback from users,
since I play games that loads for some time at startup, browse websites with lengthy pages (especially novels...)
So a system killing either of these tabs will be a disaster for me.
Actually it doesn't have to be on par with nexus5/6, but at least it should be within acceptable range in terms of kill time.