I know this will surely be biased, but I would still like impressions from you guys of the two phones comparatively speaking. I know the axon has more power but I like the google one experience that will come with the A1 as well as the RAM management on the A1 looked to be much better from what I’ve seen. Any other pro cons between the two?
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I know this will surely be biased, but I would still like impressions from you guys of the two phones comparatively speaking. I know the axon has more power but I like the google one experience that will come with the A1 as well as the RAM management on the A1 looked to be much better from what I’ve seen. Any other pro cons between the two?
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Software is better on the mi a1 and battery is significantly better too. Everyrthing else is better on the axon 7, I've used both.
Yeah. Hard choice. I know hardware is better on the axon, but the software and multitasking, from better memory management, on the A1 seem to make up for some of that lack. Any custom roms for the axon that are better than stock? I like a vanilla android experience.
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Yeah. Hard choice. I know hardware is better on the axon, but the software and multitasking, from better memory management, on the A1 seem to make up for some of that lack. Any custom roms for the axon that are better than stock? I like a vanilla android experience.
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Well, we get Oreo LinageOS and Stock soon. No Treble or 4.4 Kernel but the Snapdragon 820 and the 4GB RAM (or even more) plus the fast Storage are still great performing. The A1 is mid-range. I would still buy the Axon 7 (Advanced with force Touch/3D Touch) 6Gb RAM and speedy 128Gb Internal + SD Slot and Multi-Sim + USB 3 which is blazing fast If your PC has USB 3 too.
This Phone is just amazing and i really dont need anything else yet (Maybe a Pixel 2 XL but the Prices...). Hope that helped a Bit
Oh and the Display... 1440p Daydream capable AMOLED goodness just like in a Pixel 2 XL (With even higher ppi). Still high-end
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Yeah. Hard choice. I know hardware is better on the axon, but the software and multitasking, from better memory management, on the A1 seem to make up for some of that lack. Any custom roms for the axon that are better than stock? I like a vanilla android experience.
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-ZTE is about to release Stock+ which is basically a vanilla Android ROM with some added features. It's android 8 of course. The A2017U is probably gonna get it before 2018 (only 5 days left, we'll see!) while the A2017G is gonna get it around April 2018. If the A2017U ROM comes out you will probably be able to install it on an A2017G or A2017 anyways.
-You can get the Axon 7 enhanced edition if you actually find one, it comes with 6/128 and force touch. But I don't really know why you'd need better memory management. If it's because of app launch speed, then that's sort of silly since even a cold start is really fast on it. If it's to keep many apps open then just use war_mod or tweak the kernel yourself. I believe that having more than 4 gb of RAM this year and probably the next will only bring you significant gains in benchmarks, really. Normal usage won't fill the RAM unless you leave many games open, which is as silly as it gets...
-The Axon 7 is not gonna get Treble. ZTE didn't say anything but it's obviously not gonna happen officially.
-Custom ROMs are almost free of important bugs. The infamous call bug (you can't hear the other person unless you toggle speakerphone and untoggle it) is still there, or at least for some. And custom ROMs didn't use the dedicated DAC until recently. The camera quality is not exactly the same as stock, but it comes close.
-The AK4490 DAC is just glorious, no two ways about it
But really, could you explain what you mean about the better memory management? I have zero knowledge about the Mi A1. Those are just some facts about the Axon 7.
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-ZTE is about to release Stock+ which is basically a vanilla Android ROM with some added features. It's android 8 of course. The A2017U is probably gonna get it before 2018 (only 5 days left, we'll see!) while the A2017G is gonna get it around April 2018. If the A2017U ROM comes out you will probably be able to install it on an A2017G or A2017 anyways.
-You can get the Axon 7 enhanced edition if you actually find one, it comes with 6/128 and force touch. But I don't really know why you'd need better memory management. If it's because of app launch speed, then that's sort of silly since even a cold start is really fast on it. If it's to keep many apps open then just use war_mod or tweak the kernel yourself. I believe that having more than 4 gb of RAM this year and probably the next will only bring you significant gains in benchmarks, really. Normal usage won't fill the RAM unless you leave many games open, which is as silly as it gets...
-The Axon 7 is not gonna get Treble. ZTE didn't say anything but it's obviously not gonna happen officially.
-Custom ROMs are almost free of important bugs. The infamous call bug (you can't hear the other person unless you toggle speakerphone and untoggle it) is still there, or at least for some. And custom ROMs didn't use the dedicated DAC until recently. The camera quality is not exactly the same as stock, but it comes close.
-The AK4490 DAC is just glorious, no two ways about it
But really, could you explain what you mean about the better memory management? I have zero knowledge about the Mi A1. Those are just some facts about the Axon 7.
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Well Said!
Choose an username... said:
-ZTE is about to release Stock+ which is basically a vanilla Android ROM with some added features. It's android 8 of course. The A2017U is probably gonna get it before 2018 (only 5 days left, we'll see!) while the A2017G is gonna get it around April 2018. If the A2017U ROM comes out you will probably be able to install it on an A2017G or A2017 anyways.
-You can get the Axon 7 enhanced edition if you actually find one, it comes with 6/128 and force touch. But I don't really know why you'd need better memory management. If it's because of app launch speed, then that's sort of silly since even a cold start is really fast on it. If it's to keep many apps open then just use war_mod or tweak the kernel yourself. I believe that having more than 4 gb of RAM this year and probably the next will only bring you significant gains in benchmarks, really. Normal usage won't fill the RAM unless you leave many games open, which is as silly as it gets...
-The Axon 7 is not gonna get Treble. ZTE didn't say anything but it's obviously not gonna happen officially.
-Custom ROMs are almost free of important bugs. The infamous call bug (you can't hear the other person unless you toggle speakerphone and untoggle it) is still there, or at least for some. And custom ROMs didn't use the dedicated DAC until recently. The camera quality is not exactly the same as stock, but it comes close.
-The AK4490 DAC is just glorious, no two ways about it
But really, could you explain what you mean about the better memory management? I have zero knowledge about the Mi A1. Those are just some facts about the Axon 7.
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My remarks regarding the memory management are based solely on the video linked below comparing the two phones directly. You can see him open a bunch of apps on each phone and then as he switches back to them many on the axon had to reload as if they were closed upon exit. The mi A1 seemed to do much better at keeping them in ram, ready to be continued. Perhaps that’s tweakable or a setting that can be changed?
Scrub to 6:00 if you want to skip the youtuber’s blabbering...
https://youtu.be/gsh_SA25gq8
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My remarks regarding the memory management are based solely on the video linked below comparing the two phones directly. You can see him open a bunch of apps on each phone and then as he switches back to them many on the axon had to reload as if they were closed upon exit. The mi A1 seemed to do much better at keeping them in ram, ready to be continued. Perhaps that’s tweakable or a setting that can be changed?
Scrub to 6:00 if you want to skip the youtuber’s blabbering...
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Will you open a bunch of apps on your daily usage and need them all open at once? I believe there are ways to lock apps and keep them loaded on RAM, but I still don't believe it is useful to have many apps loaded at once...
Take battery life for example. Having a bunch of apps loaded, many running in the background, will definitely consume more battery. That's where iOS excels, since the apps actually get stored on the sdcard instead of being kept on RAM. So they are basically frozen until you open them again. and that's why Apple phones have so little RAM, they just don't need it.
I use about 4 apps at the same time at most, and even if one of them is a game, the others won't necessarily close
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P.S. I just saw the video and realized that the Mi A1 has a 1080p LCD... It's no contest. The Axon 7 destroys it in audio, display, and I don't know about speed, haven't seen yet.
No amount of bias changes this. unless you're really interested in treble
Edit: I saw the whole video and the performamce difference is also pretty noticeable. I say you're much better off with the Axon 7. Especially if you find an Enhanced.
Very good. I’m a stickler about shutting down unused apps. But do want to be able to put a few on the back shelf and then return to them as they were when I left them. The video showed the last app (racing game) having apparently closed and needing reload. However I suppose if every app there was running in actual 4K, it would consume more ram.....right?
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Very good. I’m a stickler about shutting down unused apps. But do want to be able to put a few on the back shelf and then return to them as they were when I left them. The video showed the last app (racing game) having apparently closed and needing reload. However I suppose if every app there was running in actual 4K, it would consume more ram.....right?
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4K? You mean 2K i guess?
Yeah, they will. But most decent games have an option to reduce resolution, so you can lower it to a more manageable 1080p and use less resources.
Again, this is all tweakable via the LMK. I guess you could even get the LMK values of the A1 and modify the Axon 7's taking them into consideration
war_mod actually frees up some RAM, so you have more available. Plus you can use zRAM to add some more.
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4K? You mean 2K i guess?
Yeah, they will. But most decent games have an option to reduce resolution, so you can lower it to a more manageable 1080p and use less resources.
Again, this is all tweakable via the LMK. I guess you could even get the LMK values of the A1 and modify the Axon 7's taking them into consideration
war_mod actually frees up some RAM, so you have more available. Plus you can use zRAM to add some more.
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Yup, brain fart, 2k.
Good deal on the ram options. I was leaning pretty hard toward the axon to begin with, simply from a hardware standpoint. It appears to be pretty close to the abilities of my iPhone 6s+....at least according benchmarks.
Off to eBay to score one. Thanks guys/gals.
The closing games is more than likely from the power management settings. The Axon is a beastly bargain!
Glad to hear. Already pulled the trigger on one I found on swappa. ??
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Hello guys
This device was launched Here in Brazil a few months ago.
I would like one onwer's feedback about this device cause i wanna buy
tks
MJ
mjraogr said:
Hello guys
This device was launched Here in Brazil a few months ago.
I would like one onwer's feedback about this device cause i wanna buy
tks
MJ
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The phone is OK for a normal user It has all most all the features of a smart phone and i am using it for the last 6 moths didn't face any problems,i feel that MIUI software is not so user friendly in the beginning but once you get used to it you will like it.
kvrangarao said:
The phone is OK for a normal user It has all most all the features of a smart phone and i am using it for the last 6 moths didn't face any problems,i feel that MIUI software is not so user friendly in the beginning but once you get used to it you will like it.
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Tks @kvrangarao for reply
I already use MIUI in another device. It's really good and like it so much
The performance for normal use without force hardware its enough for me
Tks one more time
Beware the enormous lag, the ROM is extremely slow, the phone wont be upgraded to Android 5, it will remain on 4.4.4 KK.
Miui 7 is really a 4.4.4 for this device. (only a few Xiaomi phones will get Lollipop)
I have a Redmi 2 for 5 months, Xiaomi iare not planning to develop Lollipop for this smartphone.
gabrielaltea said:
Beware the enormous lag, the ROM is extremely slow, the phone wont be upgraded to Android 5, it will remain on 4.4.4 KK.
Miui 7 is really a 4.4.4 for this device. (only a few Xiaomi phones will get Lollipop)
I have a Redmi 2 for 5 months, Xiaomi iare not planning to develop Lollipop for this smartphone.
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Hello @gabrielaltea tks for reply
Which MI app or system process include in Redmi 2 are you got lag? Can you explain better?
About update for Android 5, usually i try to analyze custom roms available for each device and others development support existent . We have some development in progress like CM 5.1 with some issues to fix
MJ
Any development thread for this phone?
Sent from my 2014817 using Tapatalk
The phone is great in it's price range!
Hi! I've been using the Redmi2 4G version for a couple of months now, and I think I'm ready to give an opinion on it, to the best of my abilities.
For this price range, it's actually very tough to beat the Redmi 2, with specs. The looks are premium, you won't feel like using a cheap Chinese-build phone, it's actually well made. I have an issue with the back panel finish, it's rather slippery despite being matte. I'm pretty sure you would have researched on it's specs, so you would know, that it is THE DEAL for it's price category.
The back camera is pretty good, macro mode is specifically good, but night photography isn't that great. Front camera's performance is rather satisfactory.
Battery is pretty good, lasts a day for me, with moderate usage.
There are NO heating issues with my phone. Off course, if you will play Asphalt for a couple of hours straight, it is bound to heat up.
Display is pretty intriguing for a budget phone.
If you've used MIUI in the past, you would know of it's resemblance with the iOS. While MIUI is pleasing to the eyes, and pretty simple to use and learn, I would add, that it's best for the 2GB RAM phones. MIUI with a 1GB RAM phone sucks BIG time, so, yeah, Redmi2 has issues here, lagging, crashing apps at times.
Now, since I prefer the stock-android feel better, I have flashed mine with a pretty stable CM11 ROM.
If you're a heavy gamer, I recommend you to browse phones in higher price ranges. Redmi2 is a good everyday usage phone, but certainly NOT the one for heavy gamers.
Long cut short:- Go for it, it is pretty awesome. P.S. - I don't know if Redmi 2's Prime version(2GB RAM) is available in your country, if it is, rather go for that.
Cheers.
rg666 said:
Hi! I've been using the Redmi2 4G version for a couple of months now, and I think I'm ready to give an opinion on it, to the best of my abilities.
For this price range, it's actually very tough to beat the Redmi 2, with specs. The looks are premium, you won't feel like using a cheap Chinese-build phone, it's actually well made. I have an issue with the back panel finish, it's rather slippery despite being matte. I'm pretty sure you would have researched on it's specs, so you would know, that it is THE DEAL for it's price category.
The back camera is pretty good, macro mode is specifically good, but night photography isn't that great. Front camera's performance is rather satisfactory.
Battery is pretty good, lasts a day for me, with moderate usage.
There are NO heating issues with my phone. Off course, if you will play Asphalt for a couple of hours straight, it is bound to heat up.
Display is pretty intriguing for a budget phone.
If you've used MIUI in the past, you would know of it's resemblance with the iOS. While MIUI is pleasing to the eyes, and pretty simple to use and learn, I would add, that it's best for the 2GB RAM phones. MIUI with a 1GB RAM phone sucks BIG time, so, yeah, Redmi2 has issues here, lagging, crashing apps at times.
Now, since I prefer the stock-android feel better, I have flashed mine with a pretty stable CM11 ROM.
If you're a heavy gamer, I recommend you to browse phones in higher price ranges. Redmi2 is a good everyday usage phone, but certainly NOT the one for heavy gamers.
Long cut short:- Go for it, it is pretty awesome. P.S. - I don't know if Redmi 2's Prime version(2GB RAM) is available in your country, if it is, rather go for that.
Cheers.
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Tks @rg666 for this feed
Really i got it attention and look for Redmi 2 cause the specs and good price tag. I use today a Quadcore cortex armv7 snapdragon 200 , but without version updates upper JB 1 (4.1.2) we waiting so far , but the factory strategically isn't willing to put lot of money for invest licences .
This situation made me take a decision to start development at point to create my own roms
I like very much about MIUI, used on my own others devices ( Defy Mb526 Atrix 4G) . One of my works development was inspired by MIUI V6 , creating my design and ported some MI apps for package
I really have interest to get one Redmi. Here just Redmi 2 it's avaliable in local market but others devices will be launched soon like MI 4
Cheers
One more thing
mjraogr said:
Tks @rg666 for this feed
Really i got it attention and look for Redmi 2 cause the specs and good price tag. I use today a Quadcore cortex armv7 snapdragon 200 , but without version updates upper JB 1 (4.1.2) we waiting so far , but the factory strategically isn't willing to put lot of money for invest licences .
This situation made me take a decision to start development at point to create my own roms
I like very much about MIUI, used on my own others devices ( Defy Mb526 Atrix 4G) . One of my works development was inspired by MIUI V6 , creating my design and ported some MI apps for package
I really have interest to get one Redmi. Here just Redmi 2 it's avaliable in local market but others devices will be launched soon like MI 4
Cheers
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Don't expect Lollipop update for Redmi2. The Mi team isn't quite interested in giving Lollipop updates. So, that's quite a letdown.
I am facing a problem with the phone, there is poor microphone sound at other end. Anyone know any solution to this issue? Please help
rg666 said:
Don't expect Lollipop update for Redmi2. The Mi team isn't quite interested in giving Lollipop updates. So, that's quite a letdown.
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Maybe the Mi Team in not interested in Redmi2, but there's something on the stage right now. This CM 12.1 release is really awesome:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/development/rom-cyanogenmod-unofficial-builds-t3200883
drsgon said:
I am facing a problem with the phone, there is poor microphone sound at other end. Anyone know any solution to this issue? Please help
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Did tou try change roms? Like MIUI to CM or CM to MIUI. If yes you can change some options in development menu tried search on google. :good:
rg666 said:
Don't expect Lollipop update for Redmi2. The Mi team isn't quite interested in giving Lollipop updates. So, that's quite a letdown.
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I have information published in local news homepages that the Redmi 2 will be updated for MI 7 and avaliable in "Betta Supported devices List"
You can check here , but in portugues language
cheers
This is the M7 incremental Development avaliable
Redmi 2 Official dowloads
I'm one of the first buyers here in Brazil. On the launching event, the MIUI Brazilian website got bugged and fewer people was able to buy (I'm one of them, hacking the page).
I got a few complains:
the HDR Camera is laggy as hell when I take pictures.
There's no app drawer.
Sometimes I'm unable to unlock the phone, because of lag (I think). Seriously, this is annoying.
When phone gets too slow, when I go to the home screen the interface reloads itself.
Playing games like Fallout Shelter is a big problem, lagging as hell.
1GB RAM isn't enough for the phone (for me, at least) .
Sometimes the phone heats so much.
The phone has a x64 architecture, but the MIUI is 32 bits. Sounds like a waste of processing power.
There's no support forum for Brazilian users in the official boards.
No Lollipop support and no plans to receive update.
Things I liked:
Built-in security, like Antivirus and cleaning app.
The interface is so beautiful.
LTE (4G here in Brazil) for BOTH sim cards.
I can Easily switch wich sim card to make a call, send SMS or use Mobile data.
The frontal camera has a special facial recognition, telling the age, for example.
The phone charges super fast (2200 mAh battery).
It's cheap, compared to other phones. It costs less than $ 150 (at the time I bought it).
I don't think that I'm a hard user for this phone (seriously, I didn't even play so much on the phone). I know it's a mid-term smart phone. But the MIUI lag is annoying (I got crazy sometimes). I tried to use the beta versions of the MIUI rom, tried to use performance scripts, Greenify, other camera apps.
Now I'm using a customized CM 12.1 for the device, to see if I'm able to use easily the phone, like driving in my car, got lost and easily open Waze or Google Maps to see where I need to go. Actually, I need to stop and park the car, clean current apps (some times reboot) to properly use.
nice reply @juliovedovatto
i have for several days a 2GB RAM / 16 GB ROM version and I can say that I have none of the below mentioned lagging problems.
What else is different in my setup is that I am already on MIUI 7 developer.
I should admit also that I did not play any game.
Coming from an Iphone I am kind of used of not having an app drawer and MIUI 7 is pretty eye candy...
Right now I am considering if CM (11 or 12) are worth the try... I think the main gain will be a battery life increase (at least from my other experience with CM), but I cannot see any other benefits, at least for me. I should study a bit more.
aaaah... battery lasts ~1 day. less if you use a lot the screen... max so far for me is 1 1/2 days
bejenaru said:
nice reply @juliovedovatto
i have for several days a 2GB RAM / 16 GB ROM version and I can say that I have none of the below mentioned lagging problems.
What else is different in my setup is that I am already on MIUI 7 developer.
I should admit also that I did not play any game.
Coming from an Iphone I am kind of used of not having an app drawer and MIUI 7 is pretty eye candy...
Right now I am considering if CM (11 or 12) are worth the try... I think the main gain will be a battery life increase (at least from my other experience with CM), but I cannot see any other benefits, at least for me. I should study a bit more.
aaaah... battery lasts ~1 day. less if you use a lot the screen... max so far for me is 1 1/2 days
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If you want to try the CM roms, I need to advise you: see what model your phone is. Actually the CM roms supports only HM2014811-HM2014813. The compiled baseband maybe does not work for you Redmi model.
There's a chance of you apply the rom and it does not have support for LTE networks. Like my case, my phone is HM2014819 and I discovered this misfortune today, after reading tons of posts and articles and flashing 10 times my phone
The good news that the performance of CM is far superior than the MIUI roms.
I own a 2014813 :angel:
nevertheless the battery life i see as the main gain of CM vs MIUI. Is there something else worthing, I mean like really making a difference?
juliovedovatto said:
I'm one of the first buyers here in Brazil. On the launching event, the MIUI Brazilian website got bugged and fewer people was able to buy (I'm one of them, hacking the page).
I got a few complains:
the HDR Camera is laggy as hell when I take pictures.
There's no app drawer.
Sometimes I'm unable to unlock the phone, because of lag (I think). Seriously, this is annoying.
When phone gets too slow, when I go to the home screen the interface reloads itself.
Playing games like Fallout Shelter is a big problem, lagging as hell.
1GB RAM isn't enough for the phone (for me, at least) .
Sometimes the phone heats so much.
The phone has a x64 architecture, but the MIUI is 32 bits. Sounds like a waste of processing power.
There's no support forum for Brazilian users in the official boards.
No Lollipop support and no plans to receive update.
Things I liked:
Built-in security, like Antivirus and cleaning app.
The interface is so beautiful.
LTE (4G here in Brazil) for BOTH sim cards.
I can Easily switch wich sim card to make a call, send SMS or use Mobile data.
The frontal camera has a special facial recognition, telling the age, for example.
The phone charges super fast (2200 mAh battery).
It's cheap, compared to other phones. It costs less than $ 150 (at the time I bought it).
I don't think that I'm a hard user for this phone (seriously, I didn't even play so much on the phone). I know it's a mid-term smart phone. But the MIUI lag is annoying (I got crazy sometimes). I tried to use the beta versions of the MIUI rom, tried to use performance scripts, Greenify, other camera apps.
Now I'm using a customized CM 12.1 for the device, to see if I'm able to use easily the phone, like driving in my car, got lost and easily open Waze or Google Maps to see where I need to go. Actually, I need to stop and park the car, clean current apps (some times reboot) to properly use.
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Thanks @juliovedovatto for your feedback, have good experience and content for fixes report.
The Xiaomi Team recently replied me about issues that have been causing, lags and this report turn around the device performance, it's needed constant evolution to directing it in fixes updates. All of Redmi owner's can do it mentioning in Xiaomi support channels
They also informed that the objectives for now is update for MI7 and we will be wait this results!
gabrielaltea said:
Beware the enormous lag, the ROM is extremely slow, the phone wont be upgraded to Android 5, it will remain on 4.4.4 KK.
Miui 7 is really a 4.4.4 for this device. (only a few Xiaomi phones will get Lollipop)
I have a Redmi 2 for 5 months, Xiaomi iare not planning to develop Lollipop for this smartphone.
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What The [email protected]^%? I mean, Xiaomi Mi2 got Lollipop first and it's been around since 2013! What would they've been thinking, not to update lot newer devices? Where did you get the information that upgrade for Redmi 2 is not planned?
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mjraogr said:
Hello @gabrielaltea tks for reply
Which MI app or system process include in Redmi 2 are you got lag? Can you explain better?
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For example, when Skype is running on the background, it disconnects itself (and its icon disappears from notification line) and when I click its icon again, it opens as if I freshly opened it, loading everything again. It was locked in recent apps so it won't stop. But it will. Even when nothing else is running. Sometimes when I have browser and few other apps running at once (not many, two or three other apps) and a music player, sometimes the music randomly stops - it is killed for RAM even if it's locked (i absolutely hate this on MIUI but fortunately it happens quite rarely now, perhaps the last weekly update messed something up again).
MIUI is extremely RAM-hungry. I mean - if Windows XP can run on 512 MB RAM device and be perfectly usable even for complex work, what is this supposed to be? And with Cyanogen on my Redmi 2, there is still buttload of free RAM when I have several apps opened just like before on MIUI. Currently I'm running CM12 Lollipop ROM made by Zwiliev which I installed today, when I finally got tired of MIUI. And since some V6 build, Mass Storage disappeared so there is no sane way to connect a phone as a flash drive. For me, Cyanogen solved all those things, and many more that I don't feel like writing down here.
On the other hand, the Redmi 2 itself is a decent phone. With very nice headphone output quality - the best of all phones I've ever had. The camera is pretty good, too. The display is beautiful - i thought that it is nuts to have 1024xSomething resolution on a device this small but it really looks very good. And MIUI has in-built root capability, at least. Wifi is powerful enough to have signal where my previous smartphone was already out of range. Replaceable battery and memory card slot. The hardware is indeed very very good for those money so if you don't mind using Cyanogen, buy it
Yay, this is gonna be my tenth post so finally I can send feedback to ROM developers (AT LONG LAST! WHICH PORK HEAD'S IDEA WAS THIS?)
I was set on a OnePlus 3T but this is one sale right now and I LOVE the audio capabilities of this thing. I have a rooted OP1 and have run CM for a couple years. It sounds like this phone isn't as far along as the OP3 when it comes to Roms etc... Correct? Any good Roms with everything working? One with theme customization would be nice too. Being used to perfectly working CM etc. would I regret getting this or should I go for it? Are there good Rom alternatives? I used to be one who would tinker with my phone a lot but these days I want a ROM thati like and just works and don't have to worry about it.
One other thing. It has been a long time since I've had a phone with an SD card slot. Can that storage be used as internal storage? On my Shield TV I can make one huge pool of storage with all the external storages plugged in.
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I was set on a OnePlus 3T but this is one sale right now and I LOVE the audio capabilities of this thing. I have a rooted OP1 and have run CM for a couple years. It sounds like this phone isn't as far along as the OP3 when it comes to Roms etc... Correct? Any good Roms with everything working? One with theme customization would be nice too. Being used to perfectly working CM etc. would I regret getting this or should I go for it? Are there good Rom alternatives? I used to be one who would tinker with my phone a lot but these days I want a ROM thati like and just works and don't have to worry about it.
One other thing. It has been a long time since I've had a phone with an SD card slot. Can that storage be used as internal storage? On my Shield TV I can make one huge pool of storage with all the external storages plugged in.
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You could have just looked at the ROM section of the forum to find your answer. We currently have one CM ROM, and it's not "perfectly working". It's a WIP.
You should buy the OnePlus 3T. The dev community for the Axon7 won't ever be as big as OP, and it seems that's what you care about.
Hola
I was interested in this A7 since it was announced earlier this year due to the amazing hardware and audio capabilities.
Fast forward 3 months or so since I have it, I can say that it delivers on the hardware in most aspects. The issues with this phone in my experience:
1. Camera ain't the best but just ok. Don't consider this phone if camera is important to you.
2. The hardware capacitive buttons are too close together and up to now it is tough to use the back and recents. This can somewhat be managed by using on screen navigation buttons which is available from one of our kind Devs who added it to a stock firmware based ROM.
3. There is no minute vibration controls. It is either on or off. On simply provides a hard, and relatively long vibration, annoying when typing. Yes you can turn it off on your keyboard but I still prefer it on regardless.
4. The single biggest issue for me is the lack of stable third party ROMs like RR, Pure Nexus, multiROM, DU, and the like. Also no full kernel is available yet - I see a Dev was able to provide 1 kernel but it is a work in progress and for that we are most grateful to the Dev. Another Dev, Unjustified Dev, took the time and effort to provide us an instance of CM13.1 but it has major issues with audio and mic. We know that Unjustified Dev has put a lot of time into trying to get the audio working better but due to the proprietary drivers related to audio it is also a work in progress. A few others have been trying to also help but mic is still iffy at this point. So if third party ROMs are your thing then this ain't a phone worthy of your money.
5. So frustrated I was with the initial lack of stable third party ROMs that I went ahead and purchased the OnePlus 3T, man that brand can attract Devs. I used the OnePlus for a few weeks but because I missed the dual front facing speakers of the A7, I went back. By this time another Dev was able to provide a very stable stock firmware based ROM with a few additional tweaks while keeping the audio features intact. I now use the A7 with Xposed and it is now OK. I am still hoping that our brilliant Devs will be able to get us a stable CM instance and I know they are still sacrificing time and effort into trying to provide us something.
6. I go back occasionally to my 3T to play with the latest iterations of some custom ROMs, but audio is the missing feature on the 3T.
Hope this helps you. I can't really pronounce on the other items you raised.
Get the A7 ... Great hardware & software improves (literally) daily!
OP3(T) has poor carrier support in the US. US model of Axon 7 is better tailored to US networks.
The Axon 7 is due to get an upgrade to Nougat in January 2017. I'm sure there will be many fixes to known problems that come with it.
QAM said:
Hola
I was interested in this A7 since it was announced earlier this year due to the amazing hardware and audio capabilities.
Fast forward 3 months or so since I have it, I can say that it delivers on the hardware in most aspects. The issues with this phone in my experience:
1. Camera ain't the best but just ok. Don't consider this phone if camera is important to you.
2. The hardware capacitive buttons are too close together and up to now it is tough to use the back and recents. This can somewhat be managed by using on screen navigation buttons which is available from one of our kind Devs who added it to a stock firmware based ROM.
3. There is no minute vibration controls. It is either on or off. On simply provides a hard, and relatively long vibration, annoying when typing. Yes you can turn it off on your keyboard but I still prefer it on regardless.
4. The single biggest issue for me is the lack of stable third party ROMs like RR, Pure Nexus, multiROM, DU, and the like. Also no full kernel is available yet - I see a Dev was able to provide 1 kernel but it is a work in progress and for that we are most grateful to the Dev. Another Dev, Unjustified Dev, took the time and effort to provide us an instance of CM13.1 but it has major issues with audio and mic. We know that Unjustified Dev has put a lot of time into trying to get the audio working better but due to the proprietary drivers related to audio it is also a work in progress. A few others have been trying to also help but mic is still iffy at this point. So if third party ROMs are your thing then this ain't a phone worthy of your money.
5. So frustrated I was with the initial lack of stable third party ROMs that I went ahead and purchased the OnePlus 3T, man that brand can attract Devs. I used the OnePlus for a few weeks but because I missed the dual front facing speakers of the A7, I went back. By this time another Dev was able to provide a very stable stock firmware based ROM with a few additional tweaks while keeping the audio features intact. I now use the A7 with Xposed and it is now OK. I am still hoping that our brilliant Devs will be able to get us a stable CM instance and I know they are still sacrificing time and effort into trying to provide us something.
6. I go back occasionally to my 3T to play with the latest iterations of some custom ROMs, but audio is the missing feature on the 3T.
Hope this helps you. I can't really pronounce on the other items you raised.
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Thanks. Fortunately I don't care much about camera quality. With dev stuff really I can get by as long as I can root it and have at least a stockish rom that completely works.
One thing I do like now is the ability to customize the notification LED to change colors based on different things. Would this be possible with this device?
It really infuriates me that almost all devices come out with one mono speaker. It seems like stereo speakers of any kind at least should be standard at this point. Then again I'm one who wishes these phones had physical keyboards because After seven or whatever years I still can't type worth a crap on a screen.
ZTE is a ****ty company with crap software. And the community development for this device is almost non existent (except for a few guys that are doing their best with what they have).
But you get front facing speaker and great audio (with awful support, though).
ZTE is so bad as a company that they dont even let us discuss about the Nougat update. You'd think they learn something after the last update that broke the power managment of the device and couldn't fix anything since launch , but no... 3 months now since the last update and we dont get a proper fix.
So, back to topic. Go with the OP3T, you get a better device, with better support and more resell value.
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ZTE is a ****ty company with crap software. And the community development for this device is almost non existent (except for a few guys that are doing their best with what they have).
But you get front facing speaker and great audio (with awful support, though).
ZTE is so bad as a company that they dont even let us discuss about the Nougat update. You'd think they learn something after the last update that broke the power managment of the device and couldn't fix anything since launch , but no... 3 months now since the last update and we dont get a proper fix.
So, back to topic. Go with the OP3T, you get a better device, with better support and more resell value.
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Not sure what to believe. I have also heard that OP has the worst support and ZTE's is better. I've never had any problem with any phone or needed any support really outside of me messing stuff up with rooting etc.
I saw one review from August talking about the A7's great power management. Are you saying that no longer works?
yamils said:
ZTE is a ****ty company with crap software. And the community development for this device is almost non existent (except for a few guys that are doing their best with what they have).
But you get front facing speaker and great audio (with awful support, though).
ZTE is so bad as a company that they dont even let us discuss about the Nougat update. You'd think they learn something after the last update that broke the power managment of the device and couldn't fix anything since launch , but no... 3 months now since the last update and we dont get a proper fix.
So, back to topic. Go with the OP3T, you get a better device, with better support and more resell value.
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The Axon 7 has a 2 year warranty vs. 1 for the OP3T so the support argument is not clear-cut.
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The Axon 7 has a 2 year warranty vs. 1 for the OP3T so the support argument is not clear-cut.
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We are clearly talking about a different type of support.
Anyways, in my country I dont have neither OnePlus nor ZTE support so I really dont care about warranty.
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I was set on a OnePlus 3T but this is one sale right now and I LOVE the audio capabilities of this thing. I have a rooted OP1 and have run CM for a couple years. It sounds like this phone isn't as far along as the OP3 when it comes to Roms etc... Correct? Any good Roms with everything working? One with theme customization would be nice too. Being used to perfectly working CM etc. would I regret getting this or should I go for it? Are there good Rom alternatives? I used to be one who would tinker with my phone a lot but these days I want a ROM thati like and just works and don't have to worry about it.
One other thing. It has been a long time since I've had a phone with an SD card slot. Can that storage be used as internal storage? On my Shield TV I can make one huge pool of storage with all the external storages plugged in.
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I am the same as you. Personally I don't think CM adds much compared to stock providing you already use a different launcher. I personally use blinkfeed launcher from HTC on all my phones (and it has custom theming) and I can tell you that with that I don't need any other ROM as I feel the settings menu on the Axon 7 is great. Initially the software had some mild annoyances but with the latest update I am perfectly happy (and nougat update should fix the last remaining issues in January based on what ZTE said).
I think the OP3T is also a strong device, but you would be trading off gorgeous QHD display and amazing sound with slightly better battery life, which I personally don't use, since the Axon 7 charges in 70 min.
Personally I don't feel it makes sense to buy a full HD device going into 2017, as I want to be able to use good quality VR. Also on AMOLED displays which have a pentile screen arrangement 1080p is more like 900p in terms of sharpness. QHD look more like 1200p.
The only case where I would recommend the OP3T is if you are a non VR hard-core gamer and need extra performance as 1080p display can help squeeze more performance, but in most games the difference won't be that noticeable.
yamils said:
ZTE is a ****ty company with crap software. And the community development for this device is almost non existent (except for a few guys that are doing their best with what they have).
But you get front facing speaker and great audio (with awful support, though).
ZTE is so bad as a company that they dont even let us discuss about the Nougat update. You'd think they learn something after the last update that broke the power managment of the device and couldn't fix anything since launch , but no... 3 months now since the last update and we dont get a proper fix.
So, back to topic. Go with the OP3T, you get a better device, with better support and more resell value.
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I completely agree with this guy. I'm blown away by how poorly ZTE have managed things, and their support is borderline non-existent. If the 1080p screen of the OP3/T wasn't a borderline deal breaker for me (VR) I would have attempted to return this phone. If I had to pick a phone right now I'd buy a OP3T, and that's even considering that the DAC on the A7 is a big deal for me which leads me to my next point...
You say the DAC is a big deal for you, well I should let you know that the Hi-Fi DAC it doesn't seem to work in anything but ZTE's default app which is absolute trash with less than bare-bones functionality and it's very buggy.
Edit: I forgot to clarify one point; why "1080p" is so pixelated for VR. It's because AMOLED panels are advertised as false resolutions due to a legal loophole; there isn't legal standard. They use a pentile pattern meaning they have 1/3rd less subpixels, and as much as Samsung's engineers will tell you that it effectively looks the same to the human eye, it absolutely does not, even at extreme density such as "1080p" on a 5.1" display, or even "1440p" on this 5.5" display. On flat colours I can see the pentile pattern.
yamils said:
We are clearly talking about a different type of support.
Anyways, in my country I dont have neither OnePlus nor ZTE support so I really dont care about warranty.
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For me warranty is a decision factor. The fact that ZTE offer 2 year warranty even for unlocked devices is a plus, even if I don't feel a need to unlock right now. The fact that Nougat update will be very fast coming already in January is also a plus.
Only if you are in the US, consider the Axon 7. Anywhere else, including the US, OnePlus is a reliable option.
People complain about the ZTE software. I love it. Had it for 3 days and no complaints. I live outside the US and it works fine on our 4G networks in Trinidad.
The screen and the speakers are two things the Axon 7 trumps over the OP3T. And a visual and listening experience to me is reason enough to get this phone over any other. amoled 1440p and front facing stereo speakers PLUS memory card support and a great battery? Its a no brainer, get this phone
^ I've never really had much of an issue with the cosmetics of skins. The Honor 5x I am replacing is about as heavy a skin as you can get these days and I didn't mind it. People always hate on it because it rips off Apple (ZTE does a bit of that too). Of course I found Google Now launcher, and have since move on to Action launcher, which is just awesome.
It was between the One Plus 3T and the Axon 7. The price is what ultimately did it for me. I got the A7 for $325 shipped on Jet.com, when I called to ask a question and the woman gave me a $15 off code. That's over a $100 difference in price with very comparable specs (even without the code it was going to be $340 shipped). I care about roms, but only after ZTE will EOL the phone. And with prices coming down, and value like this at around the $200-300 price point, I might not even keep it that long.
ZTE needs to make an impression on the US market. Or at least they want to. They did the hardware right this time. Now they just need to do the update dance. Honor (Huawei) committed to two years. These two brands appear very similar in software thinking and other areas. Given the Azon 7's two year warranty, I think the are probably going to also commit to two years of updates, stated or not. It only makes sense. And it also makes sense to announce that. Or anything. Maybe I missed it.
This phone is highway robbery at $325. I might have considered the $100 more if the 3T were waterproof.
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People complain about the ZTE software. I love it. Had it for 3 days and no complaints. I live outside the US and it works fine on our 4G networks in Trinidad.
The screen and the speakers are two things the Axon 7 trumps over the OP3T. And a visual and listening experience to me is reason enough to get this phone over any other. amoled 1440p and front facing stereo speakers PLUS memory card support and a great battery? Its a no brainer, get this phone
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Yeah, I was happy the firts couple of weeks too.
Let us know when you start to get annoyed with the bugs.
If you want good Dev, ROM support., go with 3t. That is my biggest disappointment with the A7. This could change in the near future but it may not. Don't get me wrong, the A7 is a really good phone but if I had to choose again, I would sacrifice resolution and SD card for more Dev support.
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If you want good Dev, ROM support., go with 3t. That is my biggest disappointment with the A7. This could change in the near future but it may not. Don't get me wrong, the A7 is a really good phone but if I had to choose again, I would sacrifice resolution and SD card for more Dev support.
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I don't see much changing as far as dev support goes for the Axon. With the death of CM it becomes even more unlikely that devs are gonna pick it up for development. It's about 6 months since release now and there is barely anything for the Axon so we'll have to be really optimistic to see anything change now. The main difference here is not aftermarket support, but the support from the in house devs of OnePlus and ZTE. And OnePlus is way more mature in that aspect. Mifavour is not half as bad but it will eventually wear you down.
I want to get a new phone to replace my S6. The two main options I have honed in on are the Axon 7 64GB and the OnePlus 3T. Here are the strengths of each
Axon 7
Better screen (higher resolution)
Better warranty/support
Better speakers
SD card support
OnePlus 3T
Better processor
More RAM
Physical home button.
Thoughts? Those of you have one and wish you got the other?
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I want to get a new phone to replace my S6. The two main options I have honed in on are the Axon 7 64GB and the OnePlus 3T. Here are the strengths of each
Axon 7
Better screen (higher resolution)
Better warranty/support
Better speakers
SD card support
OnePlus 3T
Better processor
More RAM
Physical home button.
Thoughts? Those of you have one and wish you got the other?
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Honestly, processor and RAM doesn't make that much of a difference when they're this close.....Unless you're a gamer?
Other things to look at, that may make your decision.
Camera - OnePlus 3T wins
Audio - Axon 7 wins
How much space do you really need? My SD card died last week and I was all freaked out, but it all fit on my 64gb Axon 7 internal memory until my new card arrives.... If I had a bunch of movies to save, this would be a deal breaker. I even have 2100 songs and they only eat up about 7-8gb.
I'm an "audio" buff....So the choice was easy for me, and the camera is good enough on the Axon 7 that I can live with it and make it do what I need it to. Sometimes a little editing is needed.
Well this is my point of view, take it with a grain of salt.
ZTE:
- Better Screen (not reaaaaaally noticeable, yes it is better, but both are good enough so that you cant tell each other apart). Real difference might be appreciated with QHD wallpapers, but not much else.
- Better Speakers, and overall sound quality. This has to be the largest difference. Watching videos in the Axon vs the OP3 is like going from dial up to broadband. Plus, the Axon drives higher impedance headphones without much of a hassle.
- Better in call quality. This is a direct consequence of having better audio.
- SD Card Support. I thought I wouldn't need it too much but actually, it is a nice thing to have.
OP3:
- The fact that the screen itself is lower res, means lower battery consumption. Since I read an article from AnandTech, we might be talking maybe up to 30% less usage from the screen + cpu/gpu load.
- The camera has to be better, you don't have to work yourself out to get an awesome picture. Though, if you get it right on the ZTE you can absolutely get beautiful pictures.
- Better processor? Really? Lets suppose you actually need the difference in clocks, where the OP3 would make a difference, how long can you really keep that clock up? Maaaybe 5 minutes before hitting thermal limits where the better cpu just doesn't mean anything anymore.
- Physical button. Well this is really up to you, I prefer the fingerprint scanner on the back.
- Alert Slider. Really an advantage for the OP3, really like this feature, and if it ever becomes configurable, that would be awesome.
-6GB of RAM?? Well, I have 4GB on my Axon and never has an app crashed on me, and I was suprised to find myself having 20+ apps open without the phone even noticing and instantly switching between them with all of them loaded in RAM. So this one is up to you, but I wouldn't mind. It does make the OP3 more futureproof if anything...
- Software> the OP3s software is hands down better than the Axons and that is the best that the OP3 can pull over the Axon, by far.
About support, well I don't know how well any of them do with support so i will not comment on this.
My conclusion is then: should you care about media consumption, buy the Axon, don't even think about it. If what you want/need the best performance around and like having the best software and dev help, then get the OP3. I wouldn't look on hardware differences too much.
Not a gamer in the slightest. I will occasionally take toddler snapshots with the camera when my panny is not handy.
This is more an overall performance and form comparison.
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Axon 7 has Daydream support, also.
Now that Axon 7 is getting proper sound support on LOS/LOS based roms, it is Axon 7 hands down.
A7 has better cellular connectivity support. Has more bands than the OP3/T do.
How prevalent is this Google Play bug I am seeing on the Axon 7?
I've had three OP phones and never buying them again. All above aside, they have terrible touch screen lag which makes them unusable. Axon is also cheaper.
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I have both...Also mate 9..Just bought each over this last month...I am coming from my still loved note 5..
First off...Don't think too much into 2k unless vr is your factor. I did too. But after experiencing these latest devices running 1080 with 5.5 inch to 5.9 I cannot believe I said all I did in the past...The one plus 3t is just as sharp for regular use and have not tried any VR on any device...The Axon 7 is great as well...Not as speedy as the latter but still a steal for the price...To be honest the one plus 3t and Axon 7 are both comparable however the camera is a bit better FOR ME so far on One plus but I have to say that 20mp isn't bad at all...The 1440 on the Axon isn't that noticable to me either. Really. The one plus screen looks slightly better to me I guess because of the brightness and calibration. Still miniscule ...Both perform crazy fast for their price but one plus and mate 9 are definitely smoother for me...Just flip a coin. You can't go wrong...I just could not make up my mind so I bought them all...If I have to sell one I will. But for now they are all nice and safe clean and ready for my reviews...Sort of babbling here really but if you have any specific questions I can totally help. I do not keep notifications on so I'll have to check for reply manually. I haven't been on in a year here ...But I'll be checking back for your comments. Or Inbox
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You can supposedly get Google assistant on Axon 7 which won't happen on op3t
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crcostel said:
I want to get a new phone to replace my S6. The two main options I have honed in on are the Axon 7 64GB and the OnePlus 3T. Here are the strengths of each
Axon 7
Better screen (higher resolution)
Better warranty/support
Better speakers
SD card support
OnePlus 3T
Better processor
More RAM
Physical home button.
Thoughts? Those of you have one and wish you got the other?
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Not a gamer in the slightest. I will occasionally take toddler snapshots with the camera when my panny is not handy.
This is more an overall performance and form comparison.
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How prevalent is this Google Play bug I am seeing on the Axon 7?
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I can say I was on the same boat as you in January, when I bought my first Axon 7 and I was amazed with the device. Even when I loved it, I decided to get a Mate 9 because I heard it was a great device. I used the Mate 9 for a couple of weeks and sold it and got the Axon 7 again, I couldn't stand the media consumption in the Mate 9, because of the screen and the sound. The Mate 9 has an amazing display, but I'm used to QHD since many years ago, and somehow I could notice the difference in certain situations. About the sound, Axon 7 is clearly the winner here. The reason I changed the Axon 7 was the camera, because was average and everybody claimed that Mate 9 had a super camera. Truth is, that I didn't see too much difference between the 2 in picture quality, so better go back with the Axon 7.
Regarding the comparison, 821 is less than 10% better than 820, so it makes no difference in real world usage. RAM neither, because most of the time I have 2GB free on the Axon 7, so why should I want 2GB more?, that is only pure marketing and never an app would require so much RAM.
In my opinion, the physical home button is a waste of space, because it only makes the device bigger with no need. I always have hated capacitive buttons, but what I love about the Axon 7 is that even with capacitive buttons, the aspect ratio is great. Is smaller than some of the 5.5" devices I have used before that rely only on software buttons.
The OP3T has a worse display, both resolution and quality, and the people who say that is because of the battery, is lying or they don't know much about technology. Display technology has advanced so much in these years, and even when this statement was true in the beginning, now the QHD screens out there have similar power consumptions. Also to point that the screen on the Axon 7 is exactly the same of the Galaxy S7 Edge, so I can say is really nice to have a display like this one.
As for the OP3T, is true that is has slightly better performance, camera and battery, but is no match for the Axon 7 regarding media consumption (sound, display, storage, etc.) and the difference is huge between the 2.
As someone suggested you, if you aim to media consumption, there is no better device than this one. If you are kind of a ROM addict or you are deep into development, get the OP3T.
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P.D.: All the bugs and problems the Axon 7 (including Play Store) are fixed now with the update that came a few days ago, and I can confirm it.
P.D.2: Have you consider to wait for the OnePlus 5?
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Not a gamer in the slightest. I will occasionally take toddler snapshots with the camera when my panny is not handy.
This is more an overall performance and form comparison.
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If performance is your concern then look no further and buy the OP3, unless, since you are an XDA member, know a thing or two about tinkering with ROMs and flashing your phone. In that case then its an Audio vs Camera situation...
In had the oneplus 3 and returned it within 2days. Axon 7 has been the better phone for me.
It's really a matter of opinion. You won't find that much difference in the specs.
Battery - The charging speed is the same (see this), and this), battery is the same (slightly better on the a7). I use the phone a lot and I'm very happy with the battery capacity.
Screen is nearly the same (A7: 2K AMOLED, OP3: 1080p Super AMOLED).
Processor - You won't notice the difference. Seriously, the A7 has great speed.
Camera - The A7's camera is excellent in day light. Not in day light? Not so much. It's fine. But in day light you can take amazing pictures with it (which show great on the screen ). There are a bunch of camera samples online from each phone (and maybe even a camera comparison), so check that out.
You might also want to check some other stuff out like durability, speed, etc. In videos. But do keep in mind that in speeds as high as flagships phone you probably won't notice the difference.
RAM - The 4GB RAM on the A7 is enough for me. I don't see how anyone would need 6GM RAM on a smartphone. (I've also heard that OP3 doesn't use all it's RAM, I wonder if that's fixed already).
The fingerprint scanner on the back is surprisingly comfortable and it's really a matter of getting used to it. I got used to it very quickly and it's instinctive to me.
The stock ROM isn't that great but it could be replaced by unlocking the bootloader so I personally wouldn't take that into account here. Plus the A7 started getting a lot of attention from ROM makers and has LOS official support and other ROMs available.
Also the A7 is cheaper.
The audio is also excellent.
Design is also great, the phone is very pretty (suck it LG G6 )
I enjoy my phone greatly.
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audio
warranty
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pretty wood cases
It looks like the stock ROM is probably better (built-in dark theme and accent color adjustment. Well executed)
Processor matters. Maybe not in speed but the additional features Qualcomm rolls up in the chipset can... as long as the manufacturer implements them.
For me, it came down to warranty and particularly the Dash charging is proprietary. I'd rather not buy up a bunch of chargers which charge fast only on their phones. Yes, Quick Charge 3.0 is proprietary to Qualcomm in the sense that USB-C PD is the real standard - but it's less proprietary.
My next phone must have the most standard charging available. I'm tired of this proprietary charging junk. Dicking with finding the right power adapter is annoying and just adds up in $30 and $40 costs if I want car adapters and additional AC adapters which support whatever standard.
Just think of the extra $60 you spent on extra Quick/Fast chargers for the office & car which will be obsolete on your next phone. Hidden costs are crap.
I have it on mine. Just pressed home button held it and there it is. 7.0 stock.
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Thanks everyone - going to BestBuy tomorrow to get a feel for the ergonomics and then will buy from BH if it passes. Currently have VZW so I'll try to get it going and if not, off to ATT
Also worth noting that the Axon 7 can be had for almost 40% less than the equivalent 3T, which seems almost too good to pass up for an incremental upgrade.
Also, from what I understand, it only fully supports AT&T and T-Mobile in states so do beware.
With axon 7 getting proper sound on LOS and an SD card for me it's a no brainer....I like to take my movies with me when I travel so sticking everything on the 256gb SanDisk is awesome....I will never but a phone with no microSD...I don't even wanna count how many times I wiped internal storage when I was resetting for a new Roman install....Having my TWRP backups on external storage was literAlly a life saver for me personally
I apologize for the n00b post, but I just picked up one of these today (unlocked 4GB 64GB storage variant), and I'm trying to get up to speed quickly. Here's what I've found so far and some questions. Can anyone fill me in on whether I'm missing anything important and/or tell me if I'm getting this right?
1) Firstly- I'm surprised to learn the OS is 32 bit on this. I mean, with a 64-bit CPU and 4GB of RAM, would not a 64-bit OS have been beneficial? Yes, I've read the arguments defending Lenovo's choice for 32 bit, but I don't understand them.
I'm coming from a Nextbit Robin which had only 3GB of RAM and 32GB storage, and even that had a 64-bit OS. I wonder, do the benchmarks for things like memory improve when running a custom ROM that is 64 bit? In which case, might that be a reason to consider a custom ROM? Or is there a performance benefit to sticking with 32 bit?
2) Camera. This seems to be a hotly discussed and very polarizing topic. Some people say its great similar hardware to Samsung S7 and a major selling point, some people say its awful and the weakest part of the phone. Very little in between. My initial thought is that the camera must not be very user-friendly, and that's why there is so much polarization. I've spent quite a bit of time as a freelance photographer so I figured I can make this look good... but my initial tests so far are proving weaker than my Nextbit Robin I'm upgrading from. The camera has an awful habit of overexposing bright areas as if the dynamic range is severely limited, and then there's this horrible sharpening effect that makes everything look over processed. Colors also seem oversaturated, but not in the right direction (no smooth falloff of color- harsh contrast instead).
Looking at sample photos online and seeing some mention of somehow using Google's camera API and samples from that have me convinced: The hardware is capable, but is the software just that messed up? What's the deal here, and how are people that like the camera able to get good results from it? Are they just not using stock?
3) Notification LED: So, it turns out there IS an LED on the speaker grill, I can see it when I power on the phone. I googled it and found some info- I guess this isn't set up to blink for notifications, however I see that it can be used to indicate charging status if rooted and a certain app be installed to enable it. I can live without notifications, I have a smartwatch that notifies me of most things, but I would like some sort of visual indication of my charger being unplugged or not (I've woken up to find my phone didn't charge all night), or when charging has finished. Is this something custom roms handle better too?
4) Speaking of Custom ROMs- I'm happy to see there are a few to choose from. This is one of the reasons I bought one unlocked rather than Amazon or VZ (unlockable bootloader). The thing I dislike about custom ROMs, though, is going through them all to find stable ones with the features I want. So I usually wait a little bit and use the phone stock to set my expectations to something realistic, then experiment with customs. But I'm noticing that this phone seems to be a prime example of great hardware that suffers from pretty poor software. I think I might not even want to leave this stock, as it seems the hardware is being severely crippled by the software. Are there custom roms that deliver something more like, erm, what Lenovo SHOULD have released, without veering too far off the beaten path (IE, stable and ready for daily-driver use)?
5) What else should I know about that perhaps I missed or haven't read up on?
64 bit twrp https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5-plus/development/dev-64bits-t3708091
Thanks! So from that thread, I'm seeing that parts of the system still require running in 32-bit. I guess because the hardware-specific drivers are only available in 32-bit? In that case, is there really much of an advantage to 64 over 32? I'm noticing that my available RAM reports being 3.6 instead of 4. Is that because of the 32-bit OS?
If it isn't worth the hassle, I can keep the stock ROM and just root it to allow the Google camera app and perhaps the charging LED thing.
I would just root using magisk, that way it will pass safetynet, which none of the 64 roms will do currently.
Not done this myself with g5 plus, but after reading forum for a few month's, the best reversable way seems to be using fastboot running non system twrp to install, so no system changes made.
This also does not break camera, which is the first complaint people make once system compromised.
@Dishe I'll agree with your comment on the stock software. I've had the Moto Z Play and found that device seems to perform better than the G5+. It's almost like they made this to be degraded. I expected quite the opposite.
If I can have a way to return to stock, then I'll probably root and look for a ROM. I used to use Validus which was very good and has a very active group on Google+. I haven't checked yet but if Pure Nexus is out for this device, it's also a very good ROM. Load up EX Kernel Manager and you have a nice responsive, battery friendly device.
I am kind of kicking myself for not spending the extra clams for the 6GB version. For no real reason I just feel like it would do me for a longer time.
But is there really a significant difference between the two models? I mean from your personal experience. I watched some speed comparisons and overall the 6 GB model only saves you around thirty seconds after all the testing was done.
Keep in mind I don't use my phones for gaming. Well, nothing heavy duty like PUBG pr Asphalt.
How does it utilize it's ram?
I have the RN7 4/64 after a ton of tweaking and modification i manage to achive the usage of 1.26Gb of ram with stock MIUI10 V10.3.5.0
So with a striped-down to bare minimum ROM & snapdragon660 the touch and feel results plus the performance.... are simply amazing.
I was thinking stock Android but I may root this phone. I dunno yet.
el.tsupaka said:
I have the RN7 4/64 after a ton of tweaking and modification i manage to achive the usage of 1.26Gb of ram with stock MIUI10 V10.3.5.0
So with a striped-down to bare minimum ROM & snapdragon660 the touch and feel results plus the performance.... are simply amazing.
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can you tell what did you disable?
#DelphinusMinor I think that you should give it a try! And keep in mind that.. it IS possible to lock your phone's bootloader again if you want to use the warranty in the future, most fastboot roms atleast for RN7 have a .bat script that not only unbricks your phone in any case but it also locks again the bootloader
#MauroRTR I removed everything related to Social-apps, Mi bloatware and Google except Google Play services which i left untouched & i disabled the G-Play-Store a good alternative that i use is Aurora Store
*if you delete Gservices you may run into errors and conflicts, with banking apps*
also some system-apps & privileged system-apps that i know i can disable safely with our having errors and conficts
#MauroRTR #DelphinusMinor The tools that i often use to tweak my phone are...
ADB&Fastboot Tools (cli)
XiaomiADB&Fastboot Tools (gui)
RomToolboxPro
Termux-> (Debloater & Systemizer (magisk modules both))
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Keep in mind I don't use my phones for gaming. Well, nothing heavy duty like PUBG pr Asphalt.
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well then there's absolutely no need to spend extra money to get the 6gb one. if light usage is all u do, 4gb ram is more than enough, given that the 660 performs roughly similar to the 835, which during its heyday often launched on flagships with 4gb of ram, and nobody batted an eyelid. its only on 845 phones where ram bottlenecking becomes a real issue, but that's not applicable here. and anyway without tweaking to miui, it kills apps very aggressively so your ram would stay relatively available.
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#DelphinusMinor
#MauroRTR #DelphinusMinor The tools that i often use to tweak my phone are...
ADB&Fastboot Tools (cli)
XiaomiADB&Fastboot Tools (gui)
RomToolboxPro
Termux-> (Debloater & Systemizer (magisk modules both))
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I used to love RomToolbox Pro. Never install it now since they sold it a ways back and removed key features. It was nice for the reboot widget also.
Can you recommend an alternative reboot widget that doesn't require root?
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I used to love RomToolbox Pro. Never install it now since they sold it a ways back and removed key features. It was nice for the reboot widget also.
Can you recommend an alternative reboot widget that doesn't require root?
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I know exactly what you mean search for romtoolbox pro v6.0.4 if you get error for license or insta-crash just disable google's play store and RTPro will work like a charm
Sorry my friend i dont use widgets at all..i always purge everything associated with widgets on my roms
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I am kind of kicking myself for not spending the extra clams for the 6GB version. For no real reason I just feel like it would do me for a longer time.
But is there really a significant difference between the two models? I mean from your personal experience. I watched some speed comparisons and overall the 6 GB model only saves you around thirty seconds after all the testing was done.
Keep in mind I don't use my phones for gaming. Well, nothing heavy duty like PUBG pr Asphalt.
How does it utilize it's ram?
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Well, IMHO, more RAM is always nice. Just be happy, you never know when you need it in the future. If the Note 7 is your only phone and intend to keep it for a long time, I think 6GB is a wise choice.
I don't know of any reboot app or widget that can reboot without root. However, if one knows Tasker, one can probably set up a task to open the power dialog and press the reboot button automatically.
I only bought the 4GB Note 7, but that's because I already have the Poco. The Note 7 is replacing my old Note 4X 4GB which is fine at 4GB for what it is used for, with 1.7GB left after all the apps I have set as permanent in memory. Ever since I've used Xiaomi, I have always disabled MIUI memory optimization, and always am rooted.
I was thinking of Note 7 Pro, but price is so near the Poco that Xiaomi doesn't sell the Note 7 Pro in my country, I guess they know folks will just go buy a Poco.
I was also debating on a used Poco at the same price of a new Note 7, but decided to just go for the Note 7 and wait for the X20 to mature a bit and go down in price at the end of its season, like the MI8 now.
Depends on your usage, I think 4 GB ram are enough for 3 years from now, do you intend to keep it any longer?
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Depends on your usage, I think 4 GB ram are enough for 3 years from now, do you intend to keep it any longer?
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I tend to buy "new(used)" phones once or twice a year. This was the first actual new phone I bought for years.