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Android 5.1 My Impressions and Changelog

I've been playing with Nexus 6 Android 5.1 since last 4 days now and here are my Impressions, changelog
Under the Hood Improvements in 5.1 based on all commits Google made:
50+ commits (changes) to fix memory leaks,
Over 76 commits (changes) that fix performance
Kernel CPU thread management Improvements
Better performance for Qualcomm 8xx CPUs:
Better performance for encrypted devices
No Wifi drain: Solved across all devices.
Wakelocks fixed
1000+ other minor fixes.
New Features:
HD Voice calling, New Bluetooth, Wifi shortcuts, Stolen Device Protection, Dual-SIM support, Ringer modes (Priority) improved, (Hidden) Google VPN
My Impressions
My Nexus 6 feels at least 30% faster on stock encrypted and nearly 20% faster unencrypted. The real benefits are apparent on nearly everything you do. Multitasking is now what it should’ve been. No reboots, no crashes so far.
On Android 5.0, I used to have nearly 50% RAM free (1.5 GB) at all times. Now its like 1.1 GB used and 1.9GB free (with standard apps running).
Battery life has been slightly better too.
Read more at Android 5.1 Review, Impressions, What’s new [Changelog]

taranfx said:
I've been playing with Nexus 6 Android 5.1 since last 4 days now and here are my Impressions, changelog
Under the Hood Improvements in 5.1 based on all commits Google made:
50+ commits (changes) to fix memory leaks,
Over 76 commits (changes) that fix performance
Kernel CPU thread management Improvements
Better performance for Qualcomm 8xx CPUs:
Better performance for encrypted devices
No Wifi drain: Solved across all devices.
Wakelocks fixed
1000+ other minor fixes.
New Features:
HD Voice calling, New Bluetooth, Wifi shortcuts, Stolen Device Protection, Dual-SIM support, Ringer modes (Priority) improved, (Hidden) Google VPN
My Impressions
My Nexus 6 feels at least 30% faster on stock encrypted and nearly 20% faster unencrypted. The real benefits are apparent on nearly everything you do. Multitasking is now what it should’ve been. No reboots, no crashes so far.
On Android 5.0, I used to have nearly 50% RAM free (1.5 GB) at all times. Now its like 1.1 GB used and 1.9GB free (with standard apps running).
Battery life has been slightly better too.
Read more at Android 5.1 Review, Impressions, What’s new [Changelog]
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What is "no wifi drain" ?

zakazak said:
What is "no wifi drain" ?
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https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=79368

taranfx said:
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=79368
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So that means I can disable my tasker profile which enables wifi based on radio signal?
Thanks

Looks like WiFi on drains faster than LTE/hspa still for me
Plus no silent mode only vibrate

PunishedSnake said:
Looks like WiFi on drains faster than LTE/hspa still for me
Plus no silent mode only vibrate
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Do you get high wlan_Rx wake lock?

PunishedSnake said:
Looks like WiFi on drains faster than LTE/hspa still for me
Plus no silent mode only vibrate
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Silent mode is the priority option now. Just put it to none and you have silent mode. Plus its even better than silent mode because you can choose how long you want it to be silent till it goes back to sound notifications just in case your someone who always forgets to turn sound back on.

phewizzo said:
Silent mode is the priority option now. Just put it to none and you have silent mode. Plus its even better than silent mode because you can choose how long you want it to be silent till it goes back to sound notifications just in case your someone who always forgets to turn sound back on.
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Oh dang I didnt notice! THX!!!!!
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biggiestuff said:
Do you get high wlan_Rx wake lock?
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WHere can I see it? I used gsam and not rooted remember

PunishedSnake said:
Oh dang I didnt notice! THX!!!!!
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WHere can I see it? I used gsam and not rooted remember
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Sorry I didn't see you didn't have root. Should definitely get it if you want to be OCD like the rest of us. [emoji12]

biggiestuff said:
Sorry I didn't see you didn't have root. Should definitely get it if you want to be OCD like the rest of us. [emoji12]
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Don't need it....perhaps after WiFi calling update

TN7 5.1 Lollipop, my concerns and opinions

Just got a fresh update from 4.4.2 to 5.1, here are some of my concerns and opinions so far:
- the main thing that I have noticed is that the colors got a bit washed out or less vivid compared to when I was in Kitkat or is it the same across all lollipop devices? After the discovery of the hidden performance menu by some people here in XDA, you can turn off Tegra Prism there and fix this issue
- the 5.1 stock launcher was the same as the 4.4.2 launcher.
- animations are nice
- IMO, did not noticed much of a speed difference, maybe because our hardware is already powerful to begin with.
- so far battery life remains more or less the same as it was in Kitkat
Well, those are just the things that I have noticed upon my recent updating of my tablet.
Update:
- SD Card Write restrictions is the same as it was in Kitkat, only some apps can write or create files on the SD Card. MS Office for Tablets and TN7's own Write app still can't write or create files to SD Card (or I think it depends on the apps if developers add the ability to write files on the SD Card?)
- No stock gallery and video player app but ES File Explorer may suffice in viewing photos and videos though.

proudtobepinoy said:
Just got a fresh update from 4.4.2 to 5.1, here are some of my concerns and opinions so far:
- the main thing that I have noticed is that the colors got a bit washed out or less vivid compared to when I was in Kitkat or is it the same across all lollipop devices? This is my first time to get a taste of lollipop so I do not know.
- the 5.1 stock launcher was the same as the 4.4.2 launcher, so I just downloaded google now launcher.
- animations are nice
- IMO, did not noticed much of a speed difference, maybe because our hardware is already powerful to begin with.
- so far battery life remains more or less the same but will continue to check
Well, those are just the things that I have noticed upon my recent updating of my tablet.
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Where did you get it?

GlaciaDDF said:
Where did you get it?
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The official OTA update. Probably being released by NVidia in waves as I have heard some TN7s still don't have the update yet.

New concern, there is no option to turn off auto brightness not the adaptive brightness. I know you can turn off the adaptive brightness in the settings but no option to turn off auto brightness. It is unpleasing to eyes seeing the screen brightness fluctuating. Never had this problem when I was in kitkat but the fluctuating screen brightness in 5.1 lollipop is only noticeable when brightness set to low levels

Hi, notification and quick settings panels are the same of KitKat or they are lollipop style?

potalifs said:
Hi, notification and quick settings panels are the same of KitKat or they are lollipop style?
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Yes notifications and quick settings are lollipop style.

Concern from kitkat
Is the touch working properly in lolipop after being awaken by the magnetic slide cover? A problem in kitkat...

Hi, any chance of a ROM dump for those of us who are impatient and want this update now

Sandy._.12 said:
Is the touch working properly in lolipop after being awaken by the magnetic slide cover? A problem in kitkat...
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I can't tell as I don't use a magnetic slide cover, I don't know what that is even. Terribly Sorry.

Could you tell us which model you have? I'm hearing that the P-1988 is getting the update, but I've not heard anything yet about the original P-1640. Shame I always seem to be one of the last to get the updates pushed to me considering I pre-ordered this thing in November 2013... no love for early adopters.
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proudtobepinoy said:
I can't tell as I don't use a magnetic slide cover, I don't know what that is even. Terribly Sorry.
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It's the official cover for the tablet, and there's been a bug since launch where if the screen wakes from the cover, the touchscreen can become erratic and unresponsive until you lock/wake with the power button. You can test this with any small magnet placed just to the right of the front facing camera... if the bug still exists, removing the magnet to wake the screen should cause the same problem.

rchrdcrg said:
Could you tell us which model you have? I'm hearing that the P-1988 is getting the update, but I've not heard anything yet about the original P-1640. Shame I always seem to be one of the last to get the updates pushed to me considering I pre-ordered this thing in November 2013... no love for early adopters.
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I really can't tell but I think it's the P-1988? It only says "Tegra Note 7" in the Model Number.
Screenshots below:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/shares/R9F4q3

TN7 launcher
When you changed your launcher to the google one does it still show the stylus only mode and lasso mode when you remove the stylus?

zenstarlight said:
When you changed your launcher to the google one does it still show the stylus only mode and lasso mode when you remove the stylus?
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Yes it still works and other than the washed out screen colors and fluctuating screen brightness that's really noticeable when brightness is set to low level, I have not encountered any other bugs or issues yet.

If you go into the About Tablet section, it should state the Model number. The EVGA Tegra Note I have says it is a P1640 and has not received anything yet. I assume yours may be another branded model?
I did get some sort of OTA ghost announcement a few weeks ago that said I had an update, but it didn't download anything and said I was up to date when I went and checked. Was a bit odd but I am in no rush still. The thing works great for what I do on it.

TN7 launcher
proudtobepinoy said:
Yes it still works and other than the washed out screen colors and fluctuating screen brightness that's really noticeable when brightness is set to low level, I have not encountered any other bugs or issues yet.
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Thanks for the reply. Still waiting on my Zotac TN7 OTA. Would love to see how this baby runs on ART.

proudtobepinoy said:
I really can't tell but I think it's the P-1988? It only says "Tegra Note 7" in the Model Number.
Screenshots below:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/shares/R9F4q3
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Yeah, if that's what it says then it's the P1988, because the P1640 will actually say TegraNote-P1640. I'm guessing that since the 1988 has a smaller user base and is a little more complicated than the 1640, they're probably starting there to make sure it works before pushing the update to everyone else on the 1640. I sure hope we don't have long to wait!
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IM0001 said:
If you go into the About Tablet section, it should state the Model number. The EVGA Tegra Note I have says it is a P1640 and has not received anything yet. I assume yours may be another branded model?
I did get some sort of OTA ghost announcement a few weeks ago that said I had an update, but it didn't download anything and said I was up to date when I went and checked. Was a bit odd but I am in no rush still. The thing works great for what I do on it.
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I had that too! I got so excited, but when I went to install it, it just said I was up to date. Maybe Nvidia pushed their test ROM out by accident and immediately deleted it but with no way to undo the notification that went out.
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proudtobepinoy said:
Yes it still works and other than the washed out screen colors and fluctuating screen brightness that's really noticeable when brightness is set to low level, I have not encountered any other bugs or issues yet.
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Did you go into the Display settings? You should be able to turn off auto-brightness there, and in the Power settings you should be able to disable Nvidia's Prism battery saver which will wash out your colors and make the brightness do weird things. Also be sure to check if the color correction is set to sRGB or Native; sRGB is a little more color-accurate, but it has to reduce the color gamut to do this as opposed to using Native which uses the full color gamut of the display.

rchrdcrg said:
Did you go into the Display settings? You should be able to turn off auto-brightness there, and in the Power settings you should be able to disable Nvidia's Prism battery saver which will wash out your colors and make the brightness do weird things. Also be sure to check if the color correction is set to sRGB or Native; sRGB is a little more color-accurate, but it has to reduce the color gamut to do this as opposed to using Native which uses the full color gamut of the display.
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The adaptive brightness is already off yet the fluctuating brightness still persist. These is no Nvidia Prism battery saver anymore after the 5.1 update. The color correction preset is set to sRGB by default and even when I switch to native it does not make much of a difference to the colors

proudtobepinoy said:
The adaptive brightness is already off yet the fluctuating brightness still persist. These is no Nvidia Prism battery saver anymore after the 5.1 update.
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Oh goodness, I hope they didn't just enable it by default with no way to disable it... it's such a terrible feature. Who would want a little more battery life at the expense of a terrible looking image?

I've Got Tegra Note Cherry Mobile Tegra Note 7 LTE .. but it seems the lollipop update is still not rolling up on my device yet... I hope to see it in the next few days..

Nooblike said:
I've Got Tegra Note Cherry Mobile Tegra Note 7 LTE .. but it seems the lollipop update is still not rolling up on my device yet... I hope to see it in the next few days..
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The 5.1 update I have got on my Cherry Mobile TN7 (Wifi Only) is only a soak test (according to the Tegra Note community in Google+)...if only I knew that this was just a test I would not have updated but I think this presence of a soak test means that the updating of our TN7s is near
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Moto G (2015) Increased performance Speed in Marshmallow

Hello guys,
I bought a Moto G 8gb 3rd Edition (2015) unlocked about 3 months ago, and it came with Marshmallow out-of-the-box. I started using it and after installing some apps, the phone started becoming very slow.
I checked here the post about clearing the cache, did that, worked for 2 weeks. Then I did a factory reset, worked for about 2 weeks as well.
Started trying things on my own, things were getting worse, a few days ago Moto Actions were not working, Camera would rarely open, and the flashlight did not react at all.
So I started checking online for this DOZE feature, that seems to put the apps to sleep once the phone is in idle. Sure some times the phone was slow when picking it up after some idle time. But other times it was just always slow. Long story short, I disabled the following apps from DOZE: System UI, Launcher3, Whatsapp, Instagram, Google Keyboard, Moto Action, Camera, Chrome, Spotify, Twitter.
I have been using it like this for about 3 days, and the performance increase is incredible, the phone now works as I wanted. No lag or slow down whatsoever, I can listen to music, browse the web, Moto actions now work all the time. Feel free to try it if you want.
I want to leave clear, I do not know why this happens, and don't know the exact functions of DOZE, it may as well do a thousand things more, but the at the end of the day, my phone works faster now, and that is what I want, performance during usage.

And what about battery backup? How many screen hours are you getting? The battery duration ia the same?
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Bro are u sure u were using doze cause it don't work on osprey and if so post the link so I can try it cheers

danpan11 said:
Hello guys,
I bought a Moto G 8gb 3rd Edition (2015) unlocked about 3 months ago, and it came with Marshmallow out-of-the-box. I started using it and after installing some apps, the phone started becoming very slow.
I checked here the post about clearing the cache, did that, worked for 2 weeks. Then I did a factory reset, worked for about 2 weeks as well.
Started trying things on my own, things were getting worse, a few days ago Moto Actions were not working, Camera would rarely open, and the flashlight did not react at all.
So I started checking online for this DOZE feature, that seems to put the apps to sleep once the phone is in idle. Sure some times the phone was slow when picking it up after some idle time. But other times it was just always slow. Long story short, I disabled the following apps from DOZE: System UI, Launcher3, Whatsapp, Instagram, Google Keyboard, Moto Action, Camera, Chrome, Spotify, Twitter.
I have been using it like this for about 3 days, and the performance increase is incredible, the phone now works as I wanted. No lag or slow down whatsoever, I can listen to music, browse the web, Moto actions now work all the time. Feel free to try it if you want.
I want to leave clear, I do not know why this happens, and don't know the exact functions of DOZE, it may as well do a thousand things more, but the at the end of the day, my phone works faster now, and that is what I want, performance during usage.
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No offense.. but we know for sure that Doze mode does not work on the Osprey (Moto G 2015), it doesn't have the correct sensors so it can never activate or work on our hardware. What exactly do you mean "I disabled the following apps from DOZE..."?

I would say he refers to Battery Optimisation for apps... In osprey is not a real Doze as younare pointing... anyway after disabling the battery optimisation for those apps how is your battery duration?... Even if I have to say that always depends on usage and the apps each one has installed... Ja and how many accounts are setup...
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jcalderonv74 said:
I would say he refers to Battery Optimisation for apps... In osprey is not a real Doze as younare pointing... anyway after disabling the battery optimisation for those apps how is your battery duration?... Even if I have to say that always depends on usage and the apps each one has installed... Ja and how many accounts are setup...
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Yes you are right, I disabled the apps from battery optimization menu, so far battery is been pretty much the same, I use it for around a full day, charge at night when I go to sleep.

acejavelin said:
No offense.. but we know for sure that Doze mode does not work on the Osprey (Moto G 2015), it doesn't have the correct sensors so it can never activate or work on our hardware. What exactly do you mean "I disabled the following apps from DOZE..."?
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None taken, I disabled the apps from the Battery Optimization menu, what drove me to do this, I don't know if you have tried but when you use battery saving feature in android, the one that kicks in the notification around 15%, haven't you noticed some extreme lag??, my phone becomes unusable. Maybe is a faulty unit I don't know.

skooter32 said:
Bro are u sure u were using doze cause it don't work on osprey and if so post the link so I can try it cheers
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Yes as some people have pointed out, osprey does not have the correct sensors for DOZE to work, I disabled the battery optimization.

danpan11 said:
Yes as some people have pointed out, osprey does not have the correct sensors for DOZE to work, I disabled the battery optimization.
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Well for me its some custom ROMs that slow down the device and others run good example barthmallow

skooter32 said:
Well for me its some custom ROMs that slow down the device and others run good example barthmallow
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Could be, but right now I am stock, I really like Moto Display and Moto Actions, so I don't want to lose that. Maybe later I will try this barthmallow. Thanks!

danpan11 said:
Could be, but right now I am stock, I really like Moto Display and Moto Actions, so I don't want to lose that. Maybe later I will try this barthmallow. Thanks!
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Good news for you, Barthmallow includes moto display. Side note- none of the other custom roms have it, at least for now. Dunno about moto actions.
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G5 performance increase (response time)

I was playing around with a few settings on my G5 today when I thought of something - the real strength of the SD820 SOC lies in its GPU, not the CPU. Low and behold I found that enabling "Force GPU Rendering" shaves several tenths of a second off of the average input-to-response time for just about everything you do on this phone. I know it may use a bit more battery having it on, but the effect is quite striking. To demonstrate the difference, try double tapping to wake your screen without the option enabled and then try again with the option on. You should notice a remarkable jump in response time. Even in launching apps it is a very noticeable gain. Just thought I'd pass this on to those who haven't tried it.

Yup working great for me

Wowcha, it's incredibly faster when running like this, even typing runs quicker!
Thanks for the heads up dude
Nathan
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sevsman said:
Wowcha, it's incredibly faster when running like this, even typing runs quicker!
Thanks for the heads up dude
Nathan
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You're very welcome!

I think it also saves battery life as it takes stress off the CPU... If rooted install a kernel mngr app and view cpu-freq times... It stays low
And GPU sits just above its lowest freq with normal use.
So your phone stays cooler works faster and gets better battery life! Now just turn down those animations to .5x
And voilà! Better battery life!
The SD820 is truly magnificent and our version doesn't explode!

I can enable this in developer settings?
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johnnyman25 said:
I can enable this in developer settings?
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Yes it is in the developer settings.

Great! Thanks for the tip

meattray said:
Yes it is in the developer settings.
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How do you make Developer Settings visible so this can be enabled? Forum search isn't working for me.

Diablo_692 said:
How do you make Developer Settings visible so this can be enabled? Forum search isn't working for me.
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Go into settings and then to about phone, software info then tap on build number multiple times until it tells you you've gained developer settings.

meattray said:
Go into settings and then to about phone, software info then tap on build number multiple times until it tells you you've gained developer settings.
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Thanks, I know I had to do this years ago on my HTC One to enable USB debugging, but I'd forgotten the sequence.

Do you think it really saves a bit of battery compared to leaving it off? If it does save some battery I think I'll give it a whirl

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Do you think it really saves a bit of battery compared to leaving it off? If it does save some battery I think I'll give it a whirl
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The OP said it may cause a little extra battery drain, but, I've been using it, and I'll say that battery impact is entirely negligible and the speed of openings apps is extremely noticeable!!
I do however, always have animations turned off when I run any Android device.
Why forsake speed for a little useless animation and battery drain is what I say!!
Nathan
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What exactly are you guys seeing? I tried enabling and disabling it 10 times and I cant see any difference.. I tried double tap to wake up, swiping, typing, opening apps... Everything feels the same..

galr said:
What exactly are you guys seeing? I tried enabling and disabling it 10 times and I cant see any difference.. I tried double tap to wake up, swiping, typing, opening apps... Everything feels the same..
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By offloading all on-screen graphics processing from the CPU (rather than just specified instances like in the case of 3D graphics), it is able to save valuable process time and thus respond to user commands more quickly. There is definitely a real difference here.

Thanks for the tip. This helped me. And I noticed the difference too. :victory:

Force GPU rendering: This setting forces apps to use hardware 2D rendering, even if they were written to not use it. It can make things look great, or it can temporarily bork your phone. Use with care. (link)
GPU consumes more power the CPU, hence you may observe 5-15% lower battery life with option enabled. (link)
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Also most apps that support it have it enabled in the settings. It's off by default for battery life and compatibility issues, including making some games slower as they optimise between what to pass to GPU and not. Setting the flag overrides these optimisations.

In theory couldn't it make the phone run cooler though?
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I got my phone last week on friday . It came with the software version v10c . I got 6 hours sot and the phone did not heat up without gpu rendering beeing enabled . On sataurday i updated to v10i and the phone got really hot that day and on sinday too . I tried to install v10d via Lg up but failed at it . I enabled force gpu rendering today and my device didnt get hot anymore . I am sitting at 75% with 2 hours screen on time . I was mostly on XDA and was using chrome . So i dont think , that the battery life decreases if you enable force gpu rendering .

galr said:
What exactly are you guys seeing? I tried enabling and disabling it 10 times and I cant see any difference.. I tried double tap to wake up, swiping, typing, opening apps... Everything feels the same..
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Same for me. 100% identical, not a single improvement or change.

Anyone else simply happy not rooting this phone?

When I bought this phone two weeks ago I was excited at the prospect of rooting it so that I could install my "goto" root apps.
I pondered it for several days and was about to root yet another device and I changed my mind. I find I am enjoying Oreo just the way it is and for me this is a nice change. I tend to root/jailbreak everything immediately. In the end flashing rom updates and fixes actually started to give me anxiety. I found myself dreading updates and it was becoming a real chore and wasn't fun anymore.
Anyone else enjoy this phone without tinkering with or modifying it?

Yep same here, been having this from last year and half, the verizon variant.. Though rooting this is pain and all but just like you I was too. Much into rooting and flashing.
This phone as it is, is awesome enough.
But i liked nougot more
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It is an amazing device. The only reason I rooted it was to remove the screen retention with a custom kernel and ckal support. :good:

One thing, is there any way to increase refresh rate without rooting? Just thought about this for some reason.

With Oreo I do not feel the need for root anymore.
On Nougat I used root for KCAL, build.prop mods for 16bit.pcm.offloading & zero shutter lag and also mods for stereo speakers & no throttle.
But I've yet to come across any burn in on Oreo, maybe they fixed it by recalculating the default KCAL values?
They've also fixed the issue of 44.1Khz audio being output as 48Khz through the DAC.
Could also be placebo but I find the DAC to perform better now on Oreo.
I'd love to have zero shutter lag & stereo speakers but that's just a mild annoyance hardly anything to worry about.
The weird thing is that my performance have seeming increased going to Oreo from having the performance mods on Nougat.
The left picture is on Nougat and the other one on Oreo.

Now that I think about it, silent camera would be nice for the default camera. If the setting is there I can't find it. Thanks for the side by side. Interesting.

Yeah, I don't need to root this thing either. I have had this almost a year now. Upgrade to Oreo, and now happier then ever.
May be in future once we Pie ROM with second screen feature, I will think about it.
I used to have a Samsung Note 5, and rooted and flash plenty of times. But, it was a pain to keep up with updates. I learned my lesson to not root Android.

DelphinusMinor said:
Now that I think about it, silent camera would be nice for the default camera. If the setting is there I can't find it. Thanks for the side by side. Interesting.
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I use mute camera and it works well. Still on N though
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ted.park.mutecamera
Not rooted as my variant H990DS does not qualifiy for bootloader unlock provided by LG
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In the end flashing rom updates and fixes actually started to give me anxiety. I found myself dreading updates and it was becoming a real chore and wasn't fun anymore.
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I imagine this is how most get out of the rooting game.
There has to be a serious need to do so and not just for the sake of it.
Though i still believe unless you gain admin rights over your device you do not own it.

One Twelve said:
I use mute camera and it works well. Still on N though
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ted.park.mutecamera
Not rooted as my variant H990DS does not qualifiy for bootloader unlock provided by LG
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Thank you. I am going to check this and a few others out.
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First time not rooting in about 10 years, running Oreo and so far everything is good (battery life, performance, features). I haven't even re-installed Nova Launcher, the home with app drawer has been good enough.
The one thing I'm missing is forcing it to 3g/CDMA since I'm on Verizon and where we live in Colorado, there is more and stronger 3g towers than LTE so I've always saved a lot of battery by locking to CDMA and not hunting/swapping for LTE towers. I'm mostly at home so I've got wifi for any real data needs. So other than that one thing, I haven't had a real need to root. So far...

B_in_Denver said:
First time not rooting in about 10 years, running Oreo and so far everything is good (battery life, performance, features). I haven't even re-installed Nova Launcher, the home with app drawer has been good enough.
The one thing I'm missing is forcing it to 3g/CDMA since I'm on Verizon and where we live in Colorado, there is more and stronger 3g towers than LTE so I've always saved a lot of battery by locking to CDMA and not hunting/swapping for LTE towers. I'm mostly at home so I've got wifi for any real data needs. So other than that one thing, I haven't had a real need to root. So far...
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If you have your msl you can force 3g or you can install Xposed and I think there's a module for that. Inteli3g

This is the first time I've rooted a phone for a while, due to the screen retention issue. Else, stock or AOSP unrooted is enough considering most features are available these days

zeusofyork said:
If you have your msl you can force 3g or you can install Xposed and I think there's a module for that. Inteli3g
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Thanks for replying, I've been trying to get into the field service menu for the last couple of days but will probably have to call VZW and try to convince them to give it to me.
Re: Xposed, since that requires root, that was the one reason I miss having root (Xposed to be able to force 3g, that's how I did it on my old rooted phones).

3mL said:
With Oreo I do not feel the need for root anymore.
On Nougat I used root for KCAL, build.prop mods for 16bit.pcm.offloading & zero shutter lag and also mods for stereo speakers & no throttle.
But I've yet to come across any burn in on Oreo, maybe they fixed it by recalculating the default KCAL values?
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That wasn't my experience with Oreo on my H918. Perhaps I need to try it again. As I recall, I still had screen retention issues, which is what ultimately led me to rooting my phone to use KCAL. I would really like for this phone to NOT be rooted.

runningslow said:
That wasn't my experience with Oreo on my H918. Perhaps I need to try it again. As I recall, I still had screen retention issues, which is what ultimately led me to rooting my phone to use KCAL. I would really like for this phone to NOT be rooted.
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Close to two months after my quoted message I can tell you that my phone do indeed suffer from screen retention. The first month i.e up to sometime in February I did not notice any screen retention - but since having sold my computer and using my phone for much more it has started to reveal itself.
It's only visible in one app, and that's Discord with its dark gray background and the 'retention' is that of the keyboard close to the edge of the screen.
Considering the circumstance around my screen retention, that for now, my V20 is my main 'machine'. I'm not that bothered by it, I have a PC coming in next week - and if I remember I'll tune in some weeks after it has arrived and update whether or not it's gone(with decreased usage).

For me I had had enough with screen burn and rooted this phone in last December.

3mL said:
Close to two months after my quoted message I can tell you that my phone do indeed suffer from screen retention. The first month i.e up to sometime in February I did not notice any screen retention - but since having sold my computer and using my phone for much more it has started to reveal itself.
It's only visible in one app, and that's Discord with its dark gray background and the 'retention' is that of the keyboard close to the edge of the screen.
Considering the circumstance around my screen retention, that for now, my V20 is my main 'machine'. I'm not that bothered by it, I have a PC coming in next week - and if I remember I'll tune in some weeks after it has arrived and update whether or not it's gone(with decreased usage).
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Yeah, I realized I dug up an old post. Sorry about that.
I may have to try running my phone in a stock form to see how bad it really is. I'm running into some weird issues with, presumably with Magisk, and I want to unroot my phone. The only real reason I can't is because of the screen retention issue.

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Yeah, I realized I dug up an old post. Sorry about that.
I may have to try running my phone in a stock form to see how bad it really is. I'm running into some weird issues with, presumably with Magisk, and I want to unroot my phone. The only real reason I can't is because of the screen retention issue.
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Oh it's no problem, sorry if my post came off as offensive.
It is really not bad at all, and I might elaborate om the issue that it's only really beginning to show later in the day.

3mL said:
Oh it's no problem, sorry if my post came off as offensive.
It is really not bad at all, and I might elaborate om the issue that it's only really beginning to show later in the day.
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See, mine will show retention minutes after being booted. For example, after a fresh install of a ROM, be it LOS or Stock, I'll start noticing ghosting before I can get into the color settings or Kernel Adiutor to make the adjustments... that's just from the time in TWRP and the booting. I guess everyone's phone it a little different.