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Will be in the near future a way to Root The Note 4 WITHOUT Tripping KNOX? I want to root but don't want to loose my warranty.
Is it possible???
i doubt it if so it will be months away but rooting alone does not void Warranty
Uniquebarbee said:
i doubt it if so it will be months away but rooting alone does not void Warranty
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Are you sure about this?
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Are you sure about this?
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From what i've read it's supposed to void your warranty, yet there's people who say they've had warranty repairs carried out with KNOX tripped, so it's pot luck as far as i tell
Have them explain how tripping knox broke your hardware.
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I work for an authorized Samsung Service Center in Canada and we do not check knox fuse when you bring your device in. Just make sure it's unrooted before you bring it in not to make things too obvious
There must be someone like the dev who create towelroot that didnt trip knox for note3 and previous versions.
Am using it on my tab note 2014 edition.
Honestly, atm it's too risky to root with tripping KNOX and then hope that your warranty service won't care about that. It's a 50/50. Waiting for a non-KNOX root.
If you're in the EU with all the many consumer protection laws, I doubt Samsung would get away with not repairing a hardware fault on a device unless they can prove it's because you rooted.
I'd soon be taking them to a small claims court if my now unrooted phone screws up within two years and they refused to repair or replace (I tripped knox)
knox being a hardware fuse is simply a shameful attempt by Samsung to claim you have modified the hardware and therefore voiding your warranty.
Just root if you really want it, like people have said before, most repair centres don't care if the knox fuse had been changed.
Would Knox will be tripped if I install stock firmware through Odin?
captainbirdseye86 said:
If you're in the EU with all the many consumer protection laws, I doubt Samsung would get away with not repairing a hardware fault on a device unless they can prove it's because you rooted.
I'd soon be taking them to a small claims court if my now unrooted phone screws up within two years and they refused to repair or replace (I tripped knox)
knox being a hardware fuse is simply a shameful attempt by Samsung to claim you have modified the hardware and therefore voiding your warranty.
Just root if you really want it, like people have said before, most repair centres don't care if the knox fuse had been changed.
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Hmm, here in Lithuania, my almost 2 yr old, heavily modified S3's SIM reading died (EFS partition R.I.P) and they said they won't repair it because of obvious reasons. I forgot to unroot though. That's why I'm really scared to touch my N4 yet.
Just make sure you unroot flash a stock firmware if you have to repair your phone for some reason. Who needs KNOX anyways
Uniquebarbee said:
Just make sure you unroot flash a stock firmware if you have to repair your phone for some reason. Who needs KNOX anyways
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Don't you think those 'professional' guys check KNOX before doing anything?
Actually if you still want to retain warranty status I would suggest to root after 8-9 months(assuming it's 1yr warranty) after getting the phone. If you can maintain that long without going to service centre, I'm certain that one would not need to visit a service centre after rooting the phone.
That way 8-9 mnths from now more developments would have been released and you'll have more things to try out without the need of going to a service centre.
I'm not sure what professional guys you speak of but the carriers service center does not care when fixing your phone as long as you return to stock firmware before you turn it in. So you could always wait for eternity
Uniquebarbee said:
I'm not sure what professional guys you speak of but the carriers service center does not care when fixing your phone as long as you return to stock firmware before you turn it in. So you could always wait for eternity
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By professional I meant carriers service. So basically once my phone, god let that not happen, breaks, I just install non-rooted firmware with ODIN and I'm good to go?
Yes :good:
Uniquebarbee said:
Yes :good:
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Well I'ma trust you on this one, let the customization begin!
:good: ^5 welcome to the darkside
I'm not rooted yet but am considering it once a few more weeks pass.
If something's fundamentally wrong with the hardware, it should manifest within a month, I'd like to think. Plus, I've never had a phone need repairs in the past. Which obviously bears no relation to this one going bad or not.
I doubt there'll be a ton of ROM choices for the Duos version but Play Store, Titanium, and Nandroids are nice to have.
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Just got off with samsung support and the agent told me knox being 0x1 won't affect the warranty. I'm probably going to root anyways, but if anyone has any actual experiences with samsung and a 0x1 warranty, would you care to share?
Iffy... to say the least. I would of got what they said in writing lol
Ausboy 2011 said:
Iffy... to say the least. I would of got what they said in writing lol
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exactly what i did, well not exactly writing, but typing is close enough. Having issues rooting atm, keep getting nand write start failed with chainroots method. I have the SMN910U
If they can prove the software caused the problems then they can outright refuse to fix it under warranty if the KNOX flag is 0x1.
So if it's just Root running on Stock Sammy it should be fine, however a custom rom on the other hand they will most likely just say it's a software issue and refuse to fix anything wrong.
Fuzzi99 said:
If they can prove the software caused the problems then they can outright refuse to fix it under warranty if the KNOX flag is 0x1.
So if it's just Root running on Stock Sammy it should be fine, however a custom rom on the other hand they will most likely just say it's a software issue and refuse to fix anything wrong.
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Thanks for the insight, I have only had one warranty incident with Samsung. I had to send in my note 3 (same day I got it, so it wasn't even setup). The warranty repair was a breeze though.
just rooted my phone and am noticing some major lag here and there. Anyone else?
Comment for visibility. I need to know this aswell
Fuzzi99 said:
If they can prove the software caused the problems then they can outright refuse to fix it under warranty if the KNOX flag is 0x1.
So if it's just Root running on Stock Sammy it should be fine, however a custom rom on the other hand they will most likely just say it's a software issue and refuse to fix anything wrong.
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Hey bud, I got my Note 4 from NZ and you think if I root my note 4, if there are problems with it, would the NZ Samsung team fix it?
cwk8412 said:
Hey bud, I got my Note 4 from NZ and you think if I root my note 4, if there are problems with it, would the NZ Samsung team fix it?
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unless they can prove the software caused an issue, or you just happen to a rep that is a stickler for the rules it should be fine
it depends on which samsung service center.
Depends on a lot of things, but mainly on the rep you get (if he's anal or not) and the kind of problem you wanna fix. If it's a hardware problem 99% of the time a 0x1 wont be a problem. Software may be another story. My advice? if you care about the warranty, don't root. Personally my devices last less than 6 months with me anyway so I root the second I get it (after I check everythings working of course).
It depends on the service centre and the general Samsung policies in each country. In the UK I've had my tablet repaired twice with Knox 0x1. First time the screen completely died, second time I had problems with the back cover and glue behind the screen (from the bad first repair). Both times nobody mentioned anything about Knox. Not to mention the tablet was running a stock 4.4.2 firmware not yet available in the UK.
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my first note 4 was rooted and knox warranty change to 0x1 from 0x0 after some days using 5 or more pixels died and send it to service center and swap my phone with new note 4 by new warranty duration
in this case defeated knox by rooting dose not affect on warranty
iridaki said:
It depends on the service centre and the general Samsung policies in each country. In the UK I've had my tablet repaired twice with Knox 0x1. First time the screen completely died, second time I had problems with the back cover and glue behind the screen (from the bad first repair). Both times nobody mentioned anything about Knox. Not to mention the tablet was running a stock 4.4.2 firmware not yet available in the UK.
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That's good to hear. Did you use an authorised repair centre (and if so, which one?) or send it in to Samsung directly?
When I asked a local repair centre, they were adamant that knox or rooting would void warranty as far as they were concerned. It all seems to be pot luck depending on who you speak to. E.g. here's a response from a Samsung representative on Facebook saying the same thing: https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileUK/posts/651768151530771, but some others have also reported they've had success in getting repairs under warranty.
smar said:
That's good to hear. Did you use an authorised repair centre (and if so, which one?) or send it in to Samsung directly?
When I asked a local repair centre, they were adamant that knox or rooting would void warranty as far as they were concerned. It all seems to be pot luck depending on who you speak to. E.g. here's a response from a Samsung representative on Facebook saying the same thing: https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileUK/posts/651768151530771, but some others have also reported they've had success in getting repairs under warranty.
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I filed a repair request online, Samsung sent a package with prepaid post, put my tablet and charger in and took it to the post office. I believe it went somewhere in England, even though I live in Scotland. So, yeah, I sent it directly to Samsung.
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I've read somewhere on a rom thread on XDA that the KNOX warranty flag plays no role whatsoever in determining if you get warranty service or not if your device was bought from and you currently live in Europe. Is that correct?
The only reason I want to root is for viper4android since the stock sound is horrible, but I'm not sure I want to risk losing the warranty by rooting.
The device was NOT bought from Samsung, but an authorized reseller.
Thanks.
DragosPaul said:
I've read somewhere on a rom thread on XDA that the KNOX warranty flag plays no role whatsoever in determining if you get warranty service or not if your device was bought from and you currently live in Europe. Is that correct?
The only reason I want to root is for viper4android since the stock sound is horrible, but I'm not sure I want to risk losing the warranty by rooting.
The device was NOT bought from Samsung, but an authorized reseller.
Thanks.
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No this is NOT correct.
In Austria you will NOT get ANY warranty services from Samsung any more if you've tripped Knox. I can tell you for 100% sure.
So it might depend on the country. But being in Europe is not at all a guarantee for receiving warranty services for rooted devices.
DragosPaul said:
I've read somewhere on a rom thread on XDA that the KNOX warranty flag plays no role whatsoever in determining if you get warranty service or not if your device was bought from and you currently live in Europe. Is that correct?
The only reason I want to root is for viper4android since the stock sound is horrible, but I'm not sure I want to risk losing the warranty by rooting.
The device was NOT bought from Samsung, but an authorized reseller.
Thanks.
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Depends on where you live in Europe. Central- and South European countries like Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain, Greece and so on seem to be very strict with very little variations. Almost no chance you're gonna get your device repaired under warranty. Parts of Southeast and Northern Europe are more consumer friendly. I've seen many many reports, across various platforms that devices get repaired under warranty with triggered Knox flags.
No matter what Samsung says regarding Knox, root and warranty, or your retailer regarding root or any alteration of the OS and (statutory-) warranty. Fact is, it's highly questionable to deny warranty in such a case. If Samsung or your retailer denies (statutory-) warranty, before you consult a lawyer you can use the EU Comission's Online Dispute Resolution (Link). In some countries it's unfortunately not available. These are Croatia, Luxembourg, Poland, Romania, Spain. This Resolution Centre is exactly for situations like these.
What do you know about warranty with tripped knox in poland?
nitrous² said:
Depends on where you live in Europe. Central- and South European countries like Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain, Greece and so on seem to be very strict with very little variations. Almost no chance you're gonna get your device repaired under warranty. Southeast Europe is more consumer friendly. I've seen many many reports, across various platforms that devices get repaired under warranty with triggered Knox flags.
No matter what Samsung says regarding Knox, root and warranty, or your retailer regarding root or any alteration of the OS and (statutory-) warranty. Fact is, it's highly questionable to deny warranty in such a case. If Samsung or your retailer denies (statutory-) warranty, before you consult a lawyer you can use the EU Comission's Online Dispute Resolution (Link). In some countries it's unfortunately not available. These are Croatia, Luxembourg, Poland, Romania, Spain. This Resolution Centre is exactly for situations like these.
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I live in Romania so I guess the EU Dispute Resolution does not apply to me lol. I'm wondering, if I were to submit a warranty claim with the reseller, would they then send the phone to Samsung for repair/replacement or would they ( the reseller ) simply exchange the device with another refurbished phone? I'm not sure how the warranty process works with phones like the S7, where repair by anyone other than Samsung is quite difficult.
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I live in Romania so I guess the EU Dispute Resolution does not apply to me lol. I'm wondering, if I were to submit a warranty claim with the reseller, would they then send the phone to Samsung for repair/replacement or would they ( the reseller ) simply exchange the device with another refurbished phone? I'm not sure how the warranty process works with phones like the S7, where repair by anyone other than Samsung is quite difficult.
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I've only read two reports from Romania. One of a Galaxy Note 3, tripped Knox, proximity sensor not working. Repaired under warranty after user reported to some consumer protection bureau. Another one of a Galaxy S7 Edge, tripped Knox, unknown defect but the user got it repaired under warranty. I'm sorry I can't give source to the reports. I can no longer find them. In both instances it was unclear whether the devices were repaired under regular OEM warranty or statutory warranty.
By law, you still have warranty in EU, but if they will actually repair it is totally different. They should, but they probably don't. It took me one year with consumer service to get warranty on my Samsung Galaxy S6.
En EU you have 2 years. You have that deal with your reseller. So if Samsung refuse to repair it when they send it in, they should - by law - pay for the reparation. But well, they don't.. So you gotta fight for it.
Hi, I live in Italy and I am a lawyer.
What has been said above by the other users is correct. Theoretically correct.
The Eu resolution actually should apply to that matter, but still most repair centres will deny warranty with tripped Knox. And suing Samsung for a few hundreds Euros wouldn't be very wise. At least in Italy.
Listen to me, I rooted my phone because I am sure I will never brick it, but I would never sue Samsung if the hardware should break, even if I am a lawyer. Too much time and to many expenses required. Not worth to.
lucaoldb said:
Hi, I live in Italy and I am a lawyer.
What has been said above by the other users is correct. Theoretically correct.
The Eu resolution actually should apply to that matter, but still most repair centres will deny warranty with tripped Knox. And suing Samsung for a few hundreds Euros wouldn't be very wise. At least in Italy.
Listen to me, I rooted my phone because I am sure I will never brick it, but I would never sue Samsung if the hardware should break, even if I am a lawyer. Too much time and to many expenses required. Not worth to.
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Why would you sue Samsung? Samsung's warranty is by EU law voluntary and bound to terms and conditions. If you violate the terms, you no longer have warranty. If there's someone to sue, it's your retailer.
Because they deny the "statutory warranty" without adequately proving who is at fault and disregarding EU resolutions regarding software changes on consumer devices.
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Why would you sue Samsung? Samsung's warranty is by EU law voluntary and bound to terms and conditions. If you violate the terms, you no longer have warranty. If there's someone to sue, it's your retailer.
Because they deny the "statutory warranty" without adequately proving who is at fault and disregarding EU resolutions regarding software changes on consumer devices.
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I was too brief and not clear. I know that it's the reseller that actually denies warranty, but that's why Samsung tells them to behave like that. So it's not an actual choice of the reseller.
Regarding me, I should sue H3g, for example, since I bought the phone from my provider, but they simply ask Samsung if the phone can be replaced or repaired under warranty and nothing more.
So what I said was actually wrong, but still suing H3g is not worth to.
Btw: many people in Italy buy their phone directly from Samsung, we've got some Samsung Stores.
When I lived in Sweden they fixed my USB port for free(device had tripped Knox). And now when I live in Poland they just said that they won't replace the charging port because my knox is tripped (at the time I didn't even know it cause I bought a used device) and they told me that they will fix it for like 250-300 USD. So I just took it from them and the device was magically working fine! :silly:
lucaoldb said:
I was too brief and not clear. I know that it's the reseller that actually denies warranty, but that's why Samsung tells them to behave like that. So it's not an actual choice of the reseller.
Regarding me, I should sue H3g, for example, since I bought the phone from my provider, but they simply ask Samsung if the phone can be replaced or repaired under warranty and nothing more.
So what I said was actually wrong, but still suing H3g is not worth to.
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This applies to EU devices and users in the EU;
Now I understand. Thanks. Online discussions always confused me because people wouldn't differentiate between the voluntary OEM warranty and the statutory RETAILER warranty. Latter one is required and regulated by law. It's the statutory warranty you have to claim in case your OEM states in his terms and conditions that rooting/unlocking the device voids the OEM warranty. To rightfully deny the statutory warranty, your retailer has to conclusively prove that your action of rooting/altering the software of the device has caused the defect/malfunction. Often times, getting his instructions from the OEM, your retailer will simply deny the statutory warrant claim. In the case of Samsung and Knox, their only argument is the KNOX counter in a Samsung device's Bootloader menu as shown below. As any of you can conclude, this is not a valid argument to deny a claim. It does not prove who/what has caused the defect/malfunction. Within the first six months it's your retailers job to prove that the issue was NOT present at the time of delivery and/or caused by customer. After the six month period, it becomes your job to prove the issue WAS PRESENT at time of delivery and/or that you or your actions did not cause the issue. See "Legal Burden Of Proof (Wikipedia Link)".
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
You are definitely right.
Just one thing, if you are not a consumer, warranty is just one year.
Apart from that, a tripped Knox could never break the functionality of the home button or something like it, so that warranty should never be denied in such cases.
But a different hardware issue, let's say a broken chip, could be related to a massive overclock... So they could very likely say that the hardware fault is a consequence of your tinkering with custom software.
I mean, I know that's it's the retailer that must give you the evidence that there is a connection between the hardware issue and you behaviour, but in Italy they simply deny warranty with such arguments. And it's up to you to go on and look for a lawyer, which will prevent most people from doing anything.
Okay, thanks for the answers. It's much clearer now.
Hello, so i already know knox voids warranty, but in europe things seem to be different, and i also got my device from amazon (spanish one) , i was wondering if someone has experience with them and know if they will care or not for knox 0x1?
Short answer: Yes, they will care.
See, even if you buy from Amazon, they will not be the ones repairing it. They're going to send it to a Samsung certified repair shop. These shops are instructed by device manufacturers to check for certain things. In Samsung's case, they're instructed to check for the Knox flag. If it's tripped, you're going to get notified that your device is no longer covered by the OEM warranty. At that point, you're gonna have to ask Amazon to have it repaired under the statutory warranty and pray that Amazon will play along.
Thanks i got the device some days ago, but i'm a flashaholic, also i can't be without root, i'll give it a few days and if there's no hardware problem or anything with the device i'm gonna take it's virginity, Peace.
I've been looking at this question for the past few years and I never found a legitimate document/website where it was explicitly told that by tripping KNOX we void the general warranty of the device. Only thing I saw was people saying it does. I think that people misjudged what the KNOX WARRANTY VOID term in download mode means because it has the term WARRANTY in it. What I believe that the term KNOX WARRANTY VOID means is whether KNOX can guarantee (give a warranty) that it can securely function. Nothing more.
I want to point out again, I'm NOT INTERESTED in answers where people CLAIM it voids the general warranty. I want to know from people who actually tried to claim the warranty with a tripped flag or people who have a friend who tried it out. I searched Reddit and XDA for these answers but never found a legitimate post where a person was denied warranty due to Knox.
This is a good question, but I've noticed no one has answered it in over a year. Perhaps no such documentation exists. Asking people on Reddit and XDA what their experience was is different than an answer in a legitimate document or website. I, too, would like to see such documentation. Android OS is poorly documented, as are other OSs.
i would have to claim that AFAIK , tripping knox would only void any warranties directly related to software issues. (ie Android updates creating boot loops, or in that area). While i cannot say the rules are still 100% the same today, I myself had purchased a Galaxy S10, DIRECTLY from Samsung to be used on Sprint, just over a year ago, and then had one of the members on here do the whole Unlock token things for me, then proceeded to flash TWRP and then Magisk. Well not only does Twrp trip knox, but the bootloader unlock leaves that big "Unofficial Firmware" splash screen on every boot. Well about 2 months before the warranty expired, the vibration motor inside the phone failed, and i didnt wanna pay insurance deductible for something that i thought should be warranty related... I did some research and located some articles (you gotta google, cuz the exact sites i dont remember) that said in the EU, consumers won some lawsuits that banned the manufacturers, namely Samsung and LG, from invalidating warranties for consumers who only modified the firmware in their devices. This was targeted at people who rooted their devices through whatever methods. And the result was that the manufacturers COULD ONLY ENFORCE THAT RULE IF THE WARRANTY CLAIM WAS A DIRECT RESULT OF MODIFIED FIRMWARE/SOFTWARE. If the defect was indeed hardware related, and could not be something triggered by the modification, then the manufacturer was required to comply by the terms of the hardware warranty terms that they had provided by sale of that device.
So i took a shot and contacted Samsung Support via the website and chat interface, and requested a warranty repair. Gave the IMEI and SN of my phone, and they said "Yes warranty is available, can you provide proof of purchase" ... i did all that, and near the end i specifically asked the support person "My phone is Bootloader unlocked via Samsung unlock token, so my phone says "Unofficial Firmware" when it starts up, so is that gonna be a problem because i wont bother sending it if so." and the tech took a few min and said, "as long as the phone itself hasnt been modified or the technicians determine that you opened up the device and did any physical modifications, then NO it wont affect your claim. But please note that we (SAMSUNG) do not provide or sell Bootloader unlocked devices or solutions in the US, so if your device is replaced, it will be with a LOCKED device instead!" I agreed, packed up the phone and sent it with the label they emailed me, and about 9 days later i got a package from Samsung with a new looking s10 inside, a charging cord, adapter and headphones. And sure enough it was locked, but i paid nothing, so they definitely honored the warranty. Hope that helps.
(the reason i say i dont know if its still true today, is that i heard through rumor that the manufacturers were in the process of changing the terms in their warranty, in a way that would legally give them the right to block warranty claims if ANY hardware or software was altered in any way! That seems unlikely cuz its exactly the terms they lost the prior lawsuit under, but **** changes when greedy companies get togeter!)