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Root, Facebook, and battery life

After rooting my H810, I was unable to Greenify Facebook, as it was recognized as a system app (preinstalled bloat), and seemed to be a major battery hog. I was also limited on how I could limit its permissions.
I used Titanium Backup to delete that FB app, then reinstalled it from the market. That version was able to be Greenified, and there is more control over permissions. Since then, I have seen a considerable improvement in battery life. I've been unplugged since 6:20 this morning and I'm still at 76% right now at 2:26! I don't know if there was something rogue going on with the FB app behind the scenes, but I see a huge improvement. Far too significant to be a placebo.

What permissions did you limit?
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Supersanborn said:
What permissions did you limit?
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Every single one except location. I usually have that turned off on my phone anyway.

Eric618 said:
Every single one except location. I usually have that turned off on my phone anyway.
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Eric618 said:
After rooting my H810, I was unable to Greenify Facebook, as it was recognized as a system app (preinstalled bloat), and seemed to be a major battery hog. I was also limited on how I could limit its permissions.
I used Titanium Backup to delete that FB app, then reinstalled it from the market. That version was able to be Greenified, and there is more control over permissions. Since then, I have seen a considerable improvement in battery life. I've been unplugged since 6:20 this morning and I'm still at 76% right now at 2:26! I don't know if there was something rogue going on with the FB app behind the scenes, but I see a huge improvement. Far too significant to be a placebo.
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Then if so get the premium version of greenify which lets you hibernate system apps

Apps like facebook and clean master eats up the major system resources and put a heavy load on the ram and processor..this is a proven thing..and not a personal opinion..
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There's Debloater, so you don't even need root to get rid of the bloat. I also noticed a huge improvement in battery life and responsiveness after clearing out a ton of crap!

I haven't tested this. But I thought I saw someone mention that even if you Debloat an included bloatware app, you can't simply install a replacement (updated version). The phone considers it already installed.
My apologies if a have this wrong. But it sounded like root would be required to replace apps that cannot normally be uninstalled, as was described above.

Did you freeze the Facebook system app or completely uninstall it?
I'm afraid of getting security errors on boot if a system app is missing

RedOCtobyr said:
I haven't tested this. But I thought I saw someone mention that even if you Debloat an included bloatware app, you can't simply install a replacement (updated version). The phone considers it already installed.
My apologies if a have this wrong. But it sounded like root would be required to replace apps that cannot normally be uninstalled, as was described above.
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That may be true. I think Debloater does the same as going to the app in the Apps menu and disabling it. I disabled Facebook that way, and it showed up as blocked in Debloater before I'd ever actually blocked anything. (But Debloater lets you disable apps that the menu doesn't.) I don't use Facebook so I haven't tried to install another version.

I completely uninstalled it with TI, rebooted, then installed it fresh from the market. Then I locked down permissions and Greenified.

Eric618 said:
I completely uninstalled it with TI, rebooted, then installed it fresh from the market. Then I locked down permissions and Greenified.
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How do you change the permissions?

elsamuraiguapo said:
How do you change the permissions?
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I use App Ops by Nowsky. It's available in the Play Store.

Marshmallow 6.0.1 App permission (waking up device)

Hi all,
I have a question regarding the new app permission management in Marshmallow 6.0.1. In Lollipop (5.1.1) we used to have the option to prevent an app from waking up the device or keeping it awake. I used to uncheck that box for Google Play services as this was constantly running and eating up my battery. When I go through the new extended Marshmallow app management, I get several options that i can allow or deny (body sensors, calendars, camera, contacts, location, etc. see attached screenshot). But nowhere can I find the option to prevent the app/service from waking up or keeping the device awake.
Anyone know where I can find this or how to do this in Marshmallow?

OneTruth said:
Hi all,
I have a question regarding the new app permission management in Marshmallow 6.0.1. In Lollipop (5.1.1) we used to have the option to prevent an app from waking up the device or keeping it awake. I used to uncheck that box for Google Play services as this was constantly running and eating up my battery. When I go through the new extended Marshmallow app management, I get several options that i can allow or deny (body sensors, calendars, camera, contacts, location, etc. see attached screenshot). But nowhere can I find the option to prevent the app/service from waking up or keeping the device awake.
Anyone know where I can find this or how to do this in Marshmallow?
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Use latest package disabler for preventing apps to awake the phone or updated through Google play
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zizon65 said:
Use latest package disabler for preventing apps to awake the phone or updated through Google play
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Is that the only way for now?

That's the appropriate way I know
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zizon65 said:
That's the appropriate way I know
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What I can find in the Play Store is Package Disabler Pro (Samsung). From the description and the screenshots I see you can enable/disable apps/services. I can do that already with Titanium Backup. But I can't disable the Google Play services, I just want to keep them from waking up the device, or keeping it awake while screen is off.

OneTruth said:
What I can find in the Play Store is Package Disabler Pro (Samsung). From the description and the screenshots I see you can enable/disable apps/services. I can do that already with Titanium Backup. But I can't disable the Google Play services, I just want to keep them from waking up the device, or keeping it awake while screen is off.
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Yes but with Package Disabler Pro for Samsung you can do things, that you can't with TTB, in one word it's more powerful
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zizon65 said:
Yes but with Package Disabler Pro for Samsung you can do things, that you can't with TTB, in one word it's more powerful
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TB does what it needs to do for me, as I'm not looking for anything beyond what it can do. Just freeze apps/services I don't use and every once in a while a backup. I just need something good that can prevent an app from waking up device, just like the basic functionality we had in Lollipop in the app management section.

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Yes but with Package Disabler Pro for Samsung you can do things, that you can't with TTB, in one word it's more powerful
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You're completely missing his point. He doesn't want to disable google play services, he wants to prevent it from waking up the phone.
Package Disabler Pro is more powerful than TB? I hope you're trolling.
OneTruth said:
TB does what it needs to do for me, as I'm not looking for anything beyond what it can do. Just freeze apps/services I don't use and every once in a while a backup. I just need something good that can prevent an app from waking up device, just like the basic functionality we had in Lollipop in the app management section.
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As far as I can tell, the doze feature is supposed to be in charge of preventing wakelocks and keep your phone from staying awake. So Google probably thought that denying the stay awake permission isn't needed anymore. Tbh, it denying 'stay awake' in app permissions in previous builds on android didn't do much for battery life, at least for me. Some things you could try is cleaning google play services data, and deleting google now if you dont use it.

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You're completely missing his point. He doesn't want to disable google play services, he wants to prevent it from waking up the phone.
Package Disabler Pro is more powerful than TB? I hope you're trolling.
As far as I can tell, the doze feature is supposed to be in charge of preventing wakelocks and keep your phone from staying awake. So Google probably thought that denying the stay awake permission isn't needed anymore. Tbh, it denying 'stay awake' in app permissions in previous builds on android didn't do much for battery life, at least for me. Some things you could try is cleaning google play services data, and deleting google now if you dont use it.
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You did not understand me either! What I've said is that Package Disabler Pro not only can prevent app from waking up the phone, but can prevent such app from updated by Google play service.
I also maintain that Package Disabler Pro is more powerful than TTB in terms of preventing an app from doing anything even operating in the background.
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@Bhavpreet I think for me it did quite the thing. Before I disabled apps/services I didn't need I saw Google Play Services popping up in the battery stats a lot. Once I hit the switch and didn't allow the service to wake up the phone or keep it awake, it disappeared from the battery stats.
Currently, from what I can see in the battery stats, the play service is running 4 things:
- Google Service Framework
- Google Play Services
- Google Backup Transport
- Google Account Manager
I have the backup to cloud enabled for contacts/notes/etc. Which one of the above is safe to freeze without interfering in that process?
@zizon65 Are you talking about freezing/disabling an app? Or only stopping it from waking up the device, but leaving the service/app intact for when you manually open it?

@OneTruth it could be achieved by using xposed for the module appopsxposed though I only tested it under cm13 on another phone

zizon65 said:
You did not understand me either! What I've said is that Package Disabler Pro not only can prevent app from waking up the phone, but can prevent such app from updated by Google play service.
I also maintain that Package Disabler Pro is more powerful than TTB in terms of preventing an app from doing anything even operating in the background.
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He does not want to disable it, he just wants to stop it from waking the device. Disabling google play services effectively transforms your device into a dumb phone, whats the point?
OneTruth said:
@Bhavpreet I think for me it did quite the thing. Before I disabled apps/services I didn't need I saw Google Play Services popping up in the battery stats a lot. Once I hit the switch and didn't allow the service to wake up the phone or keep it awake, it disappeared from the battery stats.
Currently, from what I can see in the battery stats, the play service is running 4 things:
- Google Service Framework
- Google Play Services
- Google Backup Transport
- Google Account Manager
I have the backup to cloud enabled for contacts/notes/etc. Which one of the above is safe to freeze without interfering in that process?
@zizon65 Are you talking about freezing/disabling an app? Or only stopping it from waking up the device, but leaving the service/app intact for when you manually open it?
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You wont be able to remove any of those 4 services without breaking google play services as a whole afaik. I don't even use google for my backup account, but i still have backup transport eating at my battery. Google Services, on average, uses 1-4% of my battery, usually on the lower end. Like I said, clear its data and cache, give it a restart, and see if that helps. I also recommend turning off auto update in the playstore, and deleting google now data and app and reinstalling it.
Last option, and this will definitely work considering you upgraded, factory reset the device.
Also, PDP disables apps, meaning it completely gets rid of them from your device until theyre enabled again, which is not a solution to your problem.

@Bhavpreet How com this was possible in Lollipop without breaking anything? Everything was running perfectly for me, without Google Play Services ever showing up in the battery stats. So I won't be factory resetting. Clearing cache already did that, no result. Will try out @Zenroid solution.

I think this is doing the trick. Will post back with results after the next full charge.
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@OneTruth it could be achieved by using xposed for the module appopsxposed though I only tested it under cm13 on another phone
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Google eating through Sewage tank called Android System WebView. help..

Hello scholar buddies,
Yes google is eating through sewage. The Android System Webview app keeps running even when I have disabled it. It shows in the disabled apps' list, it shows disabled, but the force stop button is active time to time when I check. Yes it still runs back secretly even when disabled. This is a new sewage trick by google. Obviously for phone home stealing. How hungry one can be?
Non rooted xperia. Android 5.1.
What should I do? Any solutions?
Thanks.

Either root and delete it, or stop using that distinct browser.
Also, its not for any kind of theft. It allows your browser to display web functions which would not normally be shown due to programming limitations.

ninjasinabag said:
Either root and delete it, or stop using that distinct browser.
Also, its not for any kind of theft. It allows your browser to display web functions which would not normally be shown due to programming limitations.
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Hello buddy,
Havent rooted the phone yet, because I am waiting for a final update that will feel wholesome. Then I will root.
I have dissabled the Chrome and stock web browser, along with the Android System Webview. Isnt it suppose to keep itself dead when you have disabled it? But it wakes inside the Coffin, isnt it suspected to be definately programmed for some hidden purpose?

How did you disable apps without root?
What does 'pm list packages -d' show?

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How did you disable apps without root?
What does 'pm list packages -d' show?
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You can still disable apps through settings even without root, right? I have that option on my Nexus 6 before I rooted.

harpin14789 said:
You can still disable apps through settings even without root, right? I have that option on my Nexus 6 before I rooted.
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Possibly; but l guess it's ROM dependant a: if there is a disable button in app settings and b: what said button actually does.
Checking the disabled apps with the pm command listed should at least show if it's been disable via the package manager.

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How did you disable apps without root?
What does 'pm list packages -d' show?
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Yes, almost half of the system apps have 'disable' option activated without root. When apps are disabled they are totally non existant. Other apps depending upon them, either crash, or ask to install the particular needed app. No other(non-douchebag) app will pull out any disabled app. After the number one douchebag app 'Google Play services', 'Android System WebView' seems to be the douchescum sidekick.
I disabled many. All the apps obay the disabledness, except Android System WebView. It shows disabled, but poops out from time to time. After a while or the other when I check the app info, there you see the 'force stop' button is active again.

Ketansa said:
Yes, almost half of the system apps have 'disable' option activated without root. When apps are disabled they are totally non existant. Other apps depending upon them, either crash, or ask to install the particular needed app. No other(non-douchebag) app will pull out any disabled app. After the number one douchebag app 'Google Play services', 'Android System WebView' seems to be the douchescum sidekick.
I disabled many. All the apps obay the disabledness, except Android System WebView. It shows disabled, but poops out from time to time. After a while or the other when I check the app info, there you see the 'force stop' button is active again.
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It still could be that the app isn't fully disabled; perhaps the 'disable' just turns of as much services/activities as possible.
Have you checked the pm command? (You can run that in terminal without root...)

U really need to have some clear idea about webview.

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It still could be that the app isn't fully disabled; perhaps the 'disable' just turns of as much services/activities as possible.
Have you checked the pm command? (You can run that in terminal without root...)
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Hi thank you for reply.
No I dont do how to do the pm command. Is there a link?
THank you.

Ketansa said:
Hello buddy,
Havent rooted the phone yet, because I am waiting for a final update that will feel wholesome. Then I will root.
I have dissabled the Chrome and stock web browser, along with the Android System Webview. Isnt it suppose to keep itself dead when you have disabled it? But it wakes inside the Coffin, isnt it suspected to be definately programmed for some hidden purpose?
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DON'T TOUCH IT! DONT DISABLE IT !
Let me explain why?
The WebView is the system organ that manages the application that run internet (except chrome or Firefox )it allows the app to connect with Internet.
So find the application that is culprit try : Gsam

Ketansa said:
Hi thank you for reply.
No I dont do how to do the pm command. Is there a link?
THank you.
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Terminal emulator and enter pm list packages -d to see what package manager sees as being disabled.

DevUt said:
DON'T TOUCH IT! DONT DISABLE IT !
Let me explain why?
The WebView is the system organ that manages the application that run internet (except chrome or Firefox )it allows the app to connect with Internet.
So find the application that is culprit try : Gsam
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Its a Myth.
I already DISABLED it. And all the apps run and connect fine without it.

the purpose of the app is to render webpages for apps that don't have a built-in browser. An example would be google login page, which is web based (likely for security reasons) for when you want to allow an app access to your google account. It doesn't even have its own internet permission. Nor does it have any other hidden abilities. Think of it as an HTML Viewer for modern internet implementations. Definitely not a phone home app and definitely not as douchebaggey as the rest of googles apps. here is screenshots of the apps components http://imgur.com/a/CzW8r

Ketansa said:
Its a Myth.
I already DISABLED it. And all the apps run and connect fine without it.
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This is exactly where u r wrong.

ElwOOd_CbGp said:
the purpose of the app is to render webpages for apps that don't have a built-in browser. An example would be google login page, which is web based (likely for security reasons) for when you want to allow an app access to your google account. It doesn't even have its own internet permission. Nor does it have any other hidden abilities. Think of it as an HTML Viewer for modern internet implementations. Definitely not a phone home app and definitely not as douchebaggey as the rest of googles apps. here is screenshots of the apps components http://imgur.com/a/CzW8r
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Thank you for the report )
Good wishes for you.

But there is still the question-
Why does it run anyway, even if disabled? Why this bullysh act? If I am disabling important service (according to google bots ) , then stay disabled and give me errors in the system. Why run back?
I know I am going to nail it with root, but still raising the question.

Sounds an awful lot like you are being unreasonably paranoid in a slightly uneducated fashion frankly. I have it disabled on my non-rooted phone and it would take more than a Force Stop button being non-grayed out to worry me. Rather than jumping to conclusions and displaying hysteria symptoms why don't you actually confirm that is or is not running in the running processes.
Logic. It works.
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[Guide] How to stop stop an app from "waking" your device

So far I thought that the battery saver feature "close app after lock" is not working because every time I unlock my phone few apps were working. Usually facebook, instagram and viber. My previous phone was Xiaomi and in xiaomi's software there is an option to block an app from auto-starting and waking your device. Well, today I found the same option in our phone. It is deeply hidden, lol. So i thought some of you may like this option. I think this will be good to the battery life of this device. So let me tell you where you can find the option:
Settings > Battery > Consumption level.
Now you see 2 categories - Hardware and Software. Obviously you should look into the software one. Find the facebook app (for example) and click on it. You will see "Settings" and under it you will find:
1) Power-intensive prompt
2) System wakeup
3) Close after screen lock
Now you can change the second option - System wakeup.
I looked through most of the apps and it seems that it works only with the downloaded apps. Not every app wakes your device but these which wakes your device can be blocked from doing it.

Unfortunately, it has been toggle for a long time in my case and it doesn't stop app like Facebook or Instagram to keep the system awake ?

frenchtouch92 said:
Unfortunately, it has been toggle for a long time in my case and it doesn't stop app like Facebook or Instagram to keep the system awake ?
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Have you tried greenify with donation package and root? Works for me.

That only work for downloaded applications, not preinstaled. Mr suggestion is to uninstall and then unload again from the store.
It worked for me
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komakino76 said:
Have you tried greenify with donation package and root? Works for me.
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No I didn't since I don't have root access on my honor 8 :/ waiting for a stable rom before digging into this

Phone not receiving real time notifications

Hi, I have an OP5 on stock Open Beta 5, I'm currently rooted.
Apps that usually have real time notifications or functions don't seem to work until I manually start them after bootup, or even don't work at all.
For example, my mail app now doesn't give me notifications, rather I would have to open up the app manually and refresh the app to see my mail load. Other apps like a notification mirroring app don't work at all until I launch it once on my phone every restart.
I thought it was like Greenify shutting these processes down but I've uninstalled that since. Any ideas?

erak606 said:
Hi, I have an OP5 on stock Open Beta 5, I'm currently rooted.
Apps that usually have real time notifications or functions don't seem to work until I manually start them after bootup, or even don't work at all.
For example, my mail app now doesn't give me notifications, rather I would have to open up the app manually and refresh the app to see my mail load. Other apps like a notification mirroring app don't work at all until I launch it once on my phone every restart.
I thought it was like Greenify shutting these processes down but I've uninstalled that since. Any ideas?
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Did you reboot and wipe cache? What mods did you use additional? Please give more details about your setup.
You can also exclude apps from battery optimization for keeping this apps awake even when doze kicks in so messages came always through and not only in specific time periods.

strongst said:
Did you reboot and wipe cache? What mods did you use additional? Please give more details about your setup.
You can also exclude apps from battery optimization for keeping this apps awake even when doze kicks in so messages came always through and not only in specific time periods.
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Hi, I'm currently rooted with Magisk. I tried excluding the app from battery optimisation and so far it's been working.

erak606 said:
Hi, I'm currently rooted with Magisk. I tried excluding the app from battery optimisation and so far it's been working.
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If it's not working please answer the other questions too