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[Q] ASUS VivoTab Smart vs Samsung Nexus 10?

I've owned a Nexus 10 since launch, and I find it to be a pretty awesome device. I however don't use the tablet too much due to me not really... needing to I guess. There are some things I'd find it useful for doing, but they aren't really too feasible on Android, for me anyway (remote controlled gaming, Eclipse development, gaming).
Thinking about trading for a VivoTab Smart. The thought of a Windows-based tablet sounds pretty interesting (Windows is my main OS of choice). The OS itself I don't feel would be restrictive (I don't have an issue with Windows 8; use it on my Desktop currently), but I do wonder about the hardware itself. I don't plan on viewing HD video content or any serious native gaming, but I'd love to be able to just browse the web, listen to music, and do some light gaming.
I'll get to try one out tomorrow given that the Staples I'm going to still has it on display, but I was curious on some more feedback. I like my Nexus 10's hardware, but I mainly wonder how a VivoTab Smart holds against it. One concern I had was speaker-quality. Another concern was overall latency and response time.

I have nexus 7 and I bought Lenovo lynx k3011. All this category with atom 2760 are actually identical (no difference at all). So I preferred it because was the chiepest by far in my country and because have 11.6 screen. I advice you to buy one with bigger screen. It really helps for non metro application. I really like the tablet. Serving the net with new metro internet explorer is the best experience for me now.. Only problem it doesn't have folders for favorites.. If you have many favorites... Like a beta situation here.. But it is blazing fast and user friendly. You feel like it is core i5 or something .. And then install Firefox and it is slow... But trust me.. you won't use Firefox here.
The other BIG problem, when you shut down screen, tablet go to sleep. If you downloading eg utorrent, download stops.. It uses connecting standby to save battery but you can't disable it.. Another beta situation here too.. But in most things much better than android tablet.. If it was faster, better resolution screen, and didn't have those 2 problems without get heavier it would be the best ever..

Connected standy cutting downloads being a beta issue??? I would have thought it bloody obvious that you put your device to sleep and downloads suspend, that's the way windows always have been. Why would 8 be any different?

SixSixSevenSeven said:
Connected standy cutting downloads being a beta issue??? I would have thought it bloody obvious that you put your device to sleep and downloads suspend, that's the way windows always have been. Why would 8 be any different?
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So all the users which complains to forum that they have to let screen on and cover the screen eg with a book just to not see the light of screen , just to download a file you think that agree with you?
Even windows update stops when screen shut down. If this is fine with you I am sure you are alone..
And no, this is NOT happening to previous os. This is not happening even to win 8. This is happening only with clovertrail which uses connecting standby. To all other cpu you have the option to have screen of and pc work. Here even if you select this to os, it won't work. Clovertrail will bypass every setting you have done and sleep the cpu. It is absolutely beta situation. And it will change in future. If you don't understand you better don't post with this attitude..
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I've had the Vivotab smart for about a month now. It really is a very nice tablet, light, quick, and the Windows 8 touch gestures are easy to get used to. I am hardly using my Android tablets anymore, and I do like Android. The Vivotab just works so well. Sound is an issue, the speakers are low volume. Bought a Bluetooth speaker for $20, problem solved. Overall it's by far the best tablet I've owned.
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@sosimple: I think you're confused. The downloads and such stop when the device enters Standby. That's nothing new at all; all versions of Windows have done that. The problem is that on some machines, it's no longer possible to turn off the screen *without* entering Standby. That's a throwback to the days before ACPI, when screen savers were necessary just to keep the display from suffering burn-in because the PC couldn't turn the display off without powering down. I don't understand why this regression is happening in some modern systems, but it seems that it is.
Connected Standby supposedly solves the problem by allowing downloads to continue while the system (including screen) is otherwise asleep, but as you noted, a lot of software doesn't use Connected Standby at this time, and therefore gets suspended when the device enters that state. That's a pain in the ass, but don't confuse it for the inability to download things while the screen is off; that's a different problem.

I got the chance to try out some touchscreen devices at Staple today, sadly none that were actually just a tablet like the VivoTab...
My main concern still is pretty much touch latency. A big interest in a Windows x86 tablet is mostly to play a game called osu! with the touchscreen, so any touch latency would have to be very low for the best experience.
I've tried a few AIO computers with touch and noticed they had very little latency at all, had decent accuracy with osu!. Tried some random Samsung laptop that had touch and felt a bit of latency (not sure if it was the touchscreen itself having the latency, or maybe the graphics chip couldn't handle native resolution).
Would love if someone could give it a try and let me know how it goes, or any non-immersive game for that matter.

GoodDayToDie said:
@sosimple: I think you're confused. The downloads and such stop when the device enters Standby. That's nothing new at all; all versions of Windows have done that. The problem is that on some machines, it's no longer possible to turn off the screen *without* entering Standby. That's a throwback to the days before ACPI, when screen savers were necessary just to keep the display from suffering burn-in because the PC couldn't turn the display off without powering down. I don't understand why this regression is happening in some modern systems, but it seems that it is.
Connected Standby supposedly solves the problem by allowing downloads to continue while the system (including screen) is otherwise asleep, but as you noted, a lot of software doesn't use Connected Standby at this time, and therefore gets suspended when the device enters that state. That's a pain in the ass, but don't confuse it for the inability to download things while the screen is off; that's a different problem.
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I am not confused. Perhaps haven't write it well because my English is not my native language. It is not "some machines". If you searce you will see that its all the machines with clovertrail because its the only cpu supporting connecting standby. Connecting standby support only application which use it.. Practically 0 .. All other "legacy" applications just stop work when screen goes off, and you cannot do anything for that.. If this isn't beta situation, I don't know what is.. Just a setting for not using connecting standby when you don't want to would solve the problem. Now we try with scripts, patch, drivers to see the os in boot , etc just to do this..

Ah... perhaps Clover Trail for some reason only supports crippled power management modes. That's bizarre, but given how many other things are messed up with that chip, I can believe it. That thing is a trap; the only reason I would ever buy one would be to try and bypass its stupid limitations (can only boot Windows? REALLY?).

GoodDayToDie said:
Ah... perhaps Clover Trail for some reason only supports crippled power management modes. That's bizarre, but given how many other things are messed up with that chip, I can believe it. That thing is a trap; the only reason I would ever buy one would be to try and bypass its stupid limitations (can only boot Windows? REALLY?).
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You are right.. Clovertrail is the only "dark" thing. But it is not just the cpu. It is the combination clovertrail/win8. If win 8 used him with a bit different way things would be best.. The os has choices for not go to sleep when screen goes off. Guess what? It doesn't work only to clovertrail, and no one inform you for that.. On the other hand cpu is very battery friendly, and helps creating lightweight, fast (in most everyday things), cheap , tablets, without fan and heat.. Take it or leave it.. Also doesn't support android, even with emulator eg bluestack. I found a hack to work bluestack but is really slow in this cpu. Not useful even for android Facebook app..

So your saying I can't have the screen itself set to power off after a set amount of time, but keep the entire system active?
This right here is what I'm talking about:
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Nothing to do with standby, sleep, or system state. Just the display itself.
Also can anyone give some feedback about touch latency?

Bump.
I'd still be very interested if a VivoTab Smart owner would be willing to download osu! and try it out. You don't have to register or anything (there's a tutorial song included) and it's free.
I need the game to be running in fullscreen at 1366x768 (or whatever native resolution is), with all settings enabled except soften filter (last option), and the FPS counter being displayed. Set Unlimited FPS as well (it should be 120 FPS by default).
From there, hit Play, Solo, then start the tutorial song. And from there, after like 5 seconds or so after the tutorial begins, tell me the FPS.
And if you want, an actual song with video would be another good test. Here's a link to PSY - Gangnam Style (click "download the map", run the .osz file and then osu! should automatically pickup on it and import it to your library). Pick any difficulty that isn't Taiko, and list the FPS, and see if you notice any large drops in framerate after a while.
And if you like the game and want more beatmaps, you can register an account here and then search and download other beatmaps for free
Would greatly appreciate any reports

espionage724 said:
So your saying I can't have the screen itself set to power off after a set amount of time, but keep the entire system active?
This right here is what I'm talking about:
Nothing to do with standby, sleep, or system state. Just the display itself.
Also can anyone give some feedback about touch latency?
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I haven't try this but I am sure that this is something you can do of course .. If you don't have a problem downloading eg with utorrent and see the light of the screen.. And harming the screen without a reason.. We are getting back to what I was writing for keeping a book in front of the screen.. Don't laugh, many are doing it. If you don't believe me search tablet forums..
Touch latency, perhaps more users must write their opinion in this.. I feel it iPad level. Perhaps a bit less, but definitely better than android.
Another thing that I should notice, is that the on screen keyboard popup automatically only in metro apps. I use comfort key pro which do the same for legacy applications.

Apps with connected standby enabled should be able to continue running even when the tablet is in deep sleep state, most metro apps work this way (downloads, media play back . . . .)
In clover trail tablets sleep is triggered when the display is turned off just like a smart phone which makes sense
When purchasing a Win 8 tablet you have to keep in mind that things will be dramatically better with newer software releases and continuous updates nothing like an android tablet where you are likely not getting painfully slow updates if any

[DISCUSSION] Doze power saving on Samsung Galaxy Note 2 GT-N7100

As discussed many times in a lot of ROM threads, Android Doze power saving comes with Android Marshmallow. But only devices, which have a low power accelerometer can use this Doze mode. Developers can enable Doze in their device tree, but it won't work, because the system can't use the old accelerometer of our Note 2.
Doze requirements
Device implements the significant motion detector (SMD) APIs in the Sensor HAL. Devices that do not implement these APIs cannot support Doze. <--- Note 2 don't supports this
Device has a cloud messaging service, such as Google Cloud Messaging (GCM). This enables the device to know when to wake from Doze. <--- Note 2 supports this
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During Doze:
Apps not allowed network access.
App wakelocks ignored.
Alarms deferred. Excludes alarm clock alarms and alarms set using setAndAllowWhileIdle() (limited to 1 per 15 minutes per app while in Doze). This exemption is intended for apps (such as Calendar) that must show event reminder notifications.
Wi-Fi scans not performed.
SyncAdapter syncs and JobScheduler jobs deferred until the next maintenance window.
Apps receiving SMS and MMS messages are put on a temporary whitelist so they can complete their processing.
How can I enable Doze in my device tree:
by adding the following to: overlay/frameworks/base/core/res/res/values/config.xml
bool name="config_enableAutoPowerModes">true</bool>
Statement:
Note 2 can't use Doze
There is no longer batterylife, if doze is enabled in configs
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Hey there, sup?
Well i had to read some pages about doze and the conclusion is:
The device must have sensors to determinate if it's really not in use.
"That means no moving around and nudging the gyro or other motion sensors, no touching the screen or the buttons and no waving your hand around in front of motion detection and not connected to a charger".
The devs need to configure their apps to not abuse priority.
"Things like phone calls or SMS messages can get through (and thus waking up your dozing phone) as well as any app that declares itself as high-priority.
To avoid this "...high-priority notifications that aren't part of your carrier network (calls and texts) have to come through a Google Cloud Messaging server."
FYI : "...Of course, people using their phones on a network with a poor connection are still seeing battery drain while idle, because Doze doesn't stop your phone from searching for a better signal to latch onto....A very poor signal will still kill your battery"
Please dont get me wrong...i can do paraphrase what i read, but to make me understandable in english i prefered to quote parts of a good article from here.
I read others articles from different sources but most was about ways for devs to match/check their apps behavior for Doze mode. Like this.
I didnt test anything..but looks like that doze just need to know that your device is really idle regardless "this sensor or that sensor"...if your device can enter in iddle..it can be "dozed".
..."A device enters Doze when the user leaves it unplugged and stationary for a period of time and with the screen off...
Best Regards
Wi7dOne (just a newbie ^^).

Strange...
It felt like Doze saved battery on my Note 2 for me after I tweaked it...
I disabled the motion detection completely and send it to sleep after 3 minutes of idle.
Wake up was allowed every 20 minutes
Edit:
... oh my...
About 3 hours ago my Note 2 froze.
I held down the power button and it turned off.
Now it does not turn on.
Even if I connect the charger.
Seems to be a sudden death

Mixermachine said:
Strange...
It felt like Doze saved battery on my Note 2 for me after I tweaked it...
I disabled the motion detection completely and send it to sleep after 3 minutes of idle.
Wake up was allowed every 20 minutes
Edit:
... oh my...
About 3 hours ago my Note 2 froze.
I held down the power button and it turned off.
Now it does not turn on.
Even if I connect the charger.
Seems to be a sudden death
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I hope you can bring it back.
:fingers-crossed:

Wi7dOne said:
I hope you can bring it back.
:fingers-crossed:
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Doesn't seems possible...
I charged it over night and measurde the voltage of the battery directly.
4,2V
So it should work.
The power button should also work.
I reseted my phone with it...
What else can I do???
(sorry for the offtopic)

Mixermachine said:
Doesn't seems possible...
I charged it over night and measurde the voltage of the battery directly.
4,2V
So it should work.
The power button should also work.
I reseted my phone with it...
What else can I do???
(sorry for the offtopic)
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This has once happened to me, I connected the battery from another note2 and phone sprung back to life.
I had to charge my battery in another phone, and my battery was charging again.
Good Luck Mate!!
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Mixermachine said:
Doesn't seems possible...
I charged it over night and measurde the voltage of the battery directly.
4,2V
So it should work.
The power button should also work.
I reseted my phone with it...
What else can I do???
(sorry for the offtopic)
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Well..u tried to reinstall stock 4.4.2 ROM from sammy with Odin? If u can put the phone in download mode, maybe u can bring it back.

Well well...i wish i could say that doze dont works..but hey! Look this...
Look at my Screen ON (Tela Ativada ) state while doze....
Update: Sleeping time (1 AM to 9 AM).

Wi7dOne said:
Well..u tried to reinstall stock 4.4.2 ROM from sammy with Odin? If u can put the phone in download mode, maybe u can bring it back.
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The Note is dead :/
Even if I plug it to the power adapter. Nothing.
Nö download mode.
The battery is fully charged.
I switched the battery with an other one. Still nothing.
Bought a Note 4. Still thinking about my good old Note 2 (I flashed nearly everything on it...)

Mixermachine said:
The Note is dead :/
Even if I plug it to the power adapter. Nothing.
Nö download mode.
The battery is fully charged.
I switched the battery with an other one. Still nothing.
Bought a Note 4. Still thinking about my good old Note 2 (I flashed nearly everything on it...)
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Well at last you have a new (and nice) pocket assistent ^^.

Wi7dOne said:
Well at last you have a new (and nice) pocket assistent ^^.
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Yes the Note 4 is nice , but I think I paid to much for it...
460 Euro via Amazon Germany.
Note 5 is not available in Germany, so the Note 4 is more expensive here.
The Note 2 of my cousin also died last week.
I tried to flash TWRP but it constantly gives me failes.
The stock recovery also fails.
To the Note 2 users out there:
Do your backup!

Dude i have one way to resurrect it.
1. Twrp
2. Format all the internal memory.
(i am pretty sure that s.th has gone wrong with the memory)
3. Of the memory hasn't been fixed. Change the memory hardware.
Thank me later. Try it now then let me know

No.1 D5+ - biased review and some tips

I bought this watch about month ago. This was also my first Android phone. I would like to share my experience as I noticed many unanswered questions in D5+ threads here.
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First, why my review is suppose to be biased? It's biased simply because I'm not very typical user. I'm minimalist sort of. Yep, sounds funny when put in context with device that can do almost anything. So let me explain. I need no social media, no funny movies on Youtube, no camera. But I need badly phone on standby, gps with topo maps, and occasionally email or weather check.
Now some background of mine. I'm the happy owner of Nokia E52 - incredible device that offers phone, navigation, and (sluggish) internet. What is so special about this Nokia? Battery life. This phone runs Symbian and offers full day of gps navigation (Garmin!), gpx tracking (Endomondo) and phone availability. And weighs only 98 grams! Find me something like this with Android and I'm in.
I promised myself I will never buy phone that has everything worse than my Nokia. So why I was tempted to buy D5+? Well, I was tempted to have something even smaller and more convenient - also safer when resting on my wrist. I was always too much afraid to attach my precious Nokia to bicycle handle bar. Watch phone looks like a prefect idea for cycling. You can hear navigation audio and cycle through the great unknown. At least that was my dream. In the same time I was painfully aware that buying Chinese watch for 100 bucks is naive - to say the least. Was it really a mistake? After a month of playing with the thing I'm almost ready to say no. Why I'm not sure yet? Just because I still don't know one thing - how durable is this watch. But if it appears to last - I can say - IT'S GREAT WATCH!
What are the main achievements of this watch?
1. Android. works really smooth. No delays. Apps open immediately - much faster than on my Nexus 7 (2012 - Marshmallow CM 13.1). Not even once crashed. Booting time is less than a minute. Nice and easy.
2. Phone service. After careful setup, I estimate phone can make 40 hours on standby (only 2G, no wifi, no bluetooth, no mobile data) I never really tested it that long. It's hard to leave new toy unattended. But when I left it for 8 hours sleep battery could go only 12% down. GSM module feels very reliable. Watch connects to the network immediately - no troubles at all.
Being a minimalist - crucial thing for me was to have standalone phone watch. I don't dig this idea to have one big phone on the butt and one smaller baby speaker on my wrist. I would rather hang an earing on my tit than carry two phones.
I wanted to have it all in one small piece. But what about talking to your wrist? Well, It's not that bad as it seems. You can rise your hand to your ear and pretend that you have a phone. Or hide behind the corner. Quality of the tiny speaker is not bad at all. But it used to be - at least in my piece. After taking off the cover I noticed that tiny piece of rubber seal (under the speaker frame - not the big round seal) is touching the membrane. After pushing it aside the voice became very clear. The 2G communication sometime lacks clarity but It's not the watch but transmission itself. My Nokia is not much better in 2G mode. Mike works good, I'm very well understood by the caller. I tested conversation while riding my bicycle - works fine.
3. Wifi works great. Range is not in any way inferior to my Nexus 7 or Onyx reader. Browsing internet is fast, downloading as well. I was able to walk around my home and listen to BBC radio with no breaks. Google Play store also works like it should.
Bluetooth pairs easy with my Plantronics stereo headset though max music volume seems to be rather low - contrary to the phone conversation.
4. Mobile data gave me some hard time before I discovered that I had to manually chose the right provider (roaming enabled). Automatic mode doesn't connect to the right network when it comes to data - sometimes I get it sometimes not. There is also other obstacle. Watch seems to take a lot of power to use mobile data. It heats up tremendously. 5 minutes of mobile browsing can take 10 % of battery! I think something is not quite right here.
5. Apps. This is a full Android so you can install anything. Round screen is the only limitation that comes to mind. The latest firmware does have optional square mode but it makes app UI even smaller so I don't use it/
Google voice search works really great. Phone understands me better than my people - unless I speak Polish. You can also download language pack for offline speech to text. Keyboard input is possible if you have good eyesight and steady hands. I tried also google handwriting - it works but I always have trouble with "l" vs "i".
6. Last but not least - GPS. My watch had to have working GPS. So before I bought it I watched this helpful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJBM5Y2ULDc
And that's exactly like it is. You can get gps fix even in the building (by the window - no wifi, no data) but only when you don't wear your watch on the wrist. Hand introduces serious interference to the signal - also by changing impedance of the antenna - basically changing parameters of the whole hardware setup. I red some scientific papers showing that worst disturbance (lowest antenna gain) happened when gps patch antenna was 5 centimeters from the body. But... I found that outside it is good enough - even with my winter cloths on - to provide gpx tracking and basic navigation. I mean, when riding bicycle, it can lose fix for a while so it can skip the turn command but in general it works. You can see where you are
Now example: I made 4 hour trip (17 km.) through snowy mountains covered with dense forests. Watch was on my wrist under the thick winter clothing. Osmand navigation was all the time on with continues use of GPS setting. Half of the way I made in airplane mode and half in 2G with one short conversation. In the forest gps fix occasionally got lost but it recovered by itself showing my position nicely.
For some half an hour I used voice navigation to know where to make a turn. I was than in the open space, in the village and it worked like charm. I checked the map maybe 20-30 times total (rather shortly) and the watch lasted all 4 hours. I see ir as a successes. 450 mAh battery should be able to get charged 5 times by my powerbank so it's not that bad when comparing to big Android phones.
Below you can see actual gpx track of that trip - exported to Endomondo when I got back. As you see, altitude reporting is not reliable at all but otherwise gpx trail is not that bad. Osmand navigation has great topo capabilities so watch was really able to help me not to get lost (I had my Nokia in the backpack but I didn't use it).
Update: Osmand working in the background can sometimes make phone call hard to understand by the other person. So you can consider turning on "battery saving" before answering the call. This will disconnect the GPS.
I also encourage any hikers, cyclists to install Gpx Plugin. It let's you to automatically record the track but there is more to it - after right configuration it also shows actual live track in real time which greatly improves orientation on the small screen. You just know which way you got to the point you are in so you know which direction to head.
I'm thinking of buying some bluetooth GPS logger for longer trips - in hope of saving battery and improving accuracy. But it will be a compromise. After all I didn't want to have two devices on me...
No.1 D5+ Problems and solutions:
1. Settings. Watch lacks many of the settings available on average Android device. Solution: Setting Search app from PlayStore helps in finding hidden settings.
2. Quick access to your favorite apps is not that easy when you have to scroll down through all apps list (scrolling itself works great). Best solution for me: app called Swipe Padd. With correct setting and a little practice you can turn on your fav apps without even looking at the screen.
4. Small font for poor eyesight (like mine). Solution: Install Engineering Mode app and very carefully tweak font settings. Doesn't work in every app but now I can read sms with font bigger than on my Nokia E52.
5. App buttons and other stuff hidden in the corners. Solution: You can configure three tap zoom (hidden setting) and use it close to the edge. It will reveal hidden content. Other option is to configure watch to use square mode (newest firmware only)
6. GPS fix. Solution: reboot the watch - for me it works without using other popular methods like editing cfg file or downloading agps data. Watch is not rooted and it gets a fix while sitting on my window seal - with mobile data, wifi and bluettoh off, 2G and high accuracy on. If you still have troubles try to enable wifi to download agps data and install gps test to observe the satellite signals.(remember to turn off wifi when you go outside).
7. Osmand navigation UI troubles. Solution: You can use three tap zoom to operate hidden buttons or menu. It works. I edited original apk to show missing zoom-out, menu buttons etc. also made arrow larger (see the first photo above)
It's good to download Gpx Recording Plugin (from Osmand Plugin menu - it's free). With the right configuration it stops Osmand services when you close the app (by sweeping). Without it Osmand will still try to navigate you - even if you closed it by sweeping. To shut it up you have to reboot the watch or it will kill your battery. It's well known problem of Osmand where developers don't wish to listen to the users - they know better.
8. Battery life. Solution: turn off all possible syncs, disable whattsap, google location services, use 2G, mobile data off, wifi off, bluetooth off. If you are not navigating use watch with the battery saving mode (available from the home screen). Sim module still works.
9. Firmware update. I works via OTA quite fine. But I advice you before any upgrade to visit manufacturers site and read possible complaints from users. It saved me from troubles when I was about to update my firmware. I found it was buggy so I skipped install and waited for another firmware update. It came but on my watch the older bad update option persisted so I had to flash the new one from PC. I used this method: https://forum.hovatek.com/thread-439.html
To summarize, it looks that this is really good watch if it only stays this way. The biggest concern is a strap. I disconnected it from the watch on one side and it had two holes for antennas. There was a black antenna cable in one hole connecting strap to the watch. I guess that on the other side there are two antennas. It makes together three so one antenna has to have two functions. Anyway, for now strap seems to be sturdy but what will come with the summer sweat?
Certainly this isn't a watch for people who are afraid of tweaking this and that, reading and experimenting. They will always complain about battery life, small screen and hidden buttons. In general I find Android a geeky system. Level of knowledge to use it efficiently is quite high so if you don't enjoy problem solving better buy iPhone.
I've shared my experience in hope to help you decide if this watch can answer your needs. For those few that managed to read it all, please correct me if I've made any errors. Hopefully some development follows another happy users.
Update: Now, after using watch for the last half a year I can tell this: Watch definitely is not water proof. Water can get behind the screen and make screen go nuts. It persist for long until the thing dries form inside. There is a solution: I took my watch apart and applied sealant to the frame where screen glass comes. Then I pushed glass inside and used some pressure to make it tight. After that, watch is not afraid to be splashed with water - I use it also when kayaking.
When cycling, for the good GPS reception you can fasten watch around the brake cables of the bike. With this setup gps is almost as precise as of regular big phone. During longer rides It can be also safely charged in this position from power bank. Small 3000 mAh power bank will give you at least two full days of navigation and trip recording. All accompanied by active GSM module to tell your family you are fine.

Wow, what a long post.

Well, its ok to use it on wifi

ZeBlaze Thor :D

Hello everyone...
I have preordered my first SmartWatch ever...
I have decided to go with ZeBlaze Thor...
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It looks amazing and what i saw from videos on YouTube, it also works great...
I had to make a decision between Thor and Lemfo Les1...
And Thor looks better to me...
All the same specs except : It says that Thor have Gorila Glass 3 protection, and new samsung sensor for heart rate.
Other specs are :
Processor - MediaTek 6580 1.3GHz / same as Les1
Screen size - 1.4" SuperAmoled / only Amoled in Les1 description
RAM/ROM - 1GB/16GB / sam as Les1
Battery - Some sources say its 450mAh / 350mAh in Les1
It uses nano SIM / supports GSM (850/900/1800/1900MHz) and WCDMA (850/2100MHz)
It also have GPS, BlueTooth 4.0, it weights only 63g...
Price was really nice (99€)
I will make video unboxing and review when it arrives...
Do you guys know some ZeBlaze forum where can i find updates and misc stuff for ZeBlaze SmartWatches?
Cheers!

I ordered mine (mine also first Smart Watch) from GearBest using Expidated Shipping on 30th April 2017. Not yet shipped.
May I know where you ordered from and to which Country.
I was searching for the same information. Maybe it is standalone and syncs with Google Fit.

i have mine now. Nice watch. fast. battery could be better, but if you configure wisely your watch, it lasts!

Did you order from GearBest?

I am from Croatia...
Ordered mine from Banggood...
I got my tracking number... It says that mine Thor was shipped 2 days ago... ( i ordered 4 days ago )
So where can we find some official firmware for our Thor??

fast-ip said:
i have mine now. Nice watch. fast. battery could be better, but if you configure wisely your watch, it lasts!
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Well, first i will use it only connected via bluetooth with my Mi5... And later i will try with sim card...
I won't use GPS, and ill try to turn off all things i dont need...
Can we root our Thor and delete all things we dont need?

Wh1T3L10n said:
So where can we find some official firmware for our Thor??
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I did not find any links for THOR yet.
However there are steps to root a Zeblaze Blitz. Hopefully there will be root as soon as devs get hold of this powerful watch.
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Hello,
I am planning to buy this watch, but have a couple of questions, maybe someone figured it out already.
Can you answer to messages/emails sent to your smartphone, when paired via bluetooth, and no SIM is inserted in the watch itself?
Is it possible to connect it to any other fitness app?

Sargro said:
Hello,
I am planning to buy this watch, but have a couple of questions, maybe someone figured it out already.
Can you answer to messages/emails sent to your smartphone, when paired via bluetooth, and no SIM is inserted in the watch itself?
Is it possible to connect it to any other fitness app?
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Not sure about bluetooth pairing and things you can do when paired...
One thing i don't like is the fact that you can not use Thor for receiving calls - redirecting them from your smartphone via bluetooth...
:/

Anyone knows can we use only 2g network on Thor when sim card is inserted...
If battery won't last too much when 3g is on... i would try using 2g network only for calls...

Ordered my first smartwatch too from Gearbest :victory:

Ordered mine today from Gearbest. An upgrade from my Fifine W9 which I've been using for about 18th months.

Got the watch last week and it looks great and works well. Two issues: 1) it's extremely difficult to open the SIM slot, even with the provided tooling (couldn't so far). 2) It seems pre-prod, the software upgrade tool is a "test" version and some functionality previously available in Blitz are not yet there. How to upgrade?

ATM mine Thore is at the Customs Office... :/
It should arrive to my place this week...
So, guys... Those who got their Thor... Battery time? Without 3g... Most important part

I got mine yesterday. I'll give a quick review:
pros:
-looks good, not huge
-full android play store
-not android wear
-many clock faces
-most apps I wanted were available (play music and stitcher)
-heart rate monitor works
cons:
-battery, 75% after an hour of heavy use (music via bluetooth from wifi and installing apps)
-the companian app is sketchy, requires many excessive permissions (somewhat justified if sending calls, notifications, texts 2-way via phone), is NOT available on the play store, and crashes my nexus 6 requiring a hard reboot when i try to connect
-round screen prevents access to the hamburger menu on many apps
-swipe right is hardwired to android back button, preventing the swiping in of the menu on most apps
-google fit hangs and won't run
-strava won't pick up the heart rate monitor
-can't add multiple google accounts (i email/hangouts/text/google voice from a work g-account, but have all android apps on a personal account)
-doesn't like T-Mobile if SF bay area, sees and connects to the network, doesn't get data down
I got this as an alternative to a Garmin Vivoactive HR. I'm a cyclist that uses a bluetooth power meter. I was looking for a smarter activity tracker that could play music and podcasts. Something that would pair to my powermeter for analyzing racing performance and track training sessions. It does meet my minimum needs. I was a little too hyped on it before I got it, and I do have to say my first impressions are that its a bit of a let down TBH.
it does track heart rate via one app. it does not transmit this information as a Bluetooth heart rate monitor. on most of the clock faces, it reports the last heart rate. unfortunately, it shows this a 0 padded number and the kerning is messed up since rarely do you exceed 200 and there's only room for a narrow character like "1". heart rate is also not offered as a background service for long-term tracking.
the app is super sketchy and attempting to connect crashes my phone worse than any app I have seen. the only way I have gotten out it to just hold my power button for 20 seconds.
try to do an OTA update and it just hangs with the word "test". that's confidence inspiring.
google fit hangs on startup
strava seems to work fine with initial testing, doesn't seem to register the heartrate monitor
I've had several android tv boxes from china and some cheap tablets, so I knew what to expect interface wise, but this guy is barely usable.
The hardware seems capabale. I'm hoping a firmare update or a custom rom will surface for this because its got potential.
Needs:
-data on the go, connecting, seeing 3-4 bars but not getting data is frustrating
-gesture to access hamburger menus
-heartrate background service that's easily toggleable
-heartrate broadcast via bluetooth
-multiple google accounts

I have it on my wrist right now and with everything off it's lasting enough. However the ROM is... too awful. I mean, it's fast and everything but I feel like it could be more optimized and less filled with crappy bloatware.
Is there any scene around the MTK6580M for these things? I would install any rom but the stock rom...

Divagador said:
I have it on my wrist right now and with everything off it's lasting enough. However the ROM is... too awful. I mean, it's fast and everything but I feel like it could be more optimized and less filled with crappy bloatware.
Is there any scene around the MTK6580M for these things? I would install any rom but the stock rom...
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Root the thing and get rit of the bloatware.

How to root it?
Any tips and tricks, and how to manual?
Tnx

I used Kingroot V5.0.5 .After two trys my zeblaze thor was rooted.
I use appfreeze to disable some apps.

I think Kingoroot would work too. I read about some perfomance issues if you root with Kingroot, draining the battery because it's filled with adware (not tested by my side).
Either way it would be nice to have some development on this model like it was done on the Blitz. I think there are a lot of brands with the same hardware around (like the LEMFO LES1 and I think the KW88 having the same MTK6580) which could benefit too
bamie01 said:
I used Kingroot V5.0.5 .After two trys my zeblaze thor was rooted.
I use appfreeze to disable some apps.
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Kospet Prime

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Available @ Gearbest for $149.99
So I saw the watch and was intrigued. I'm not expecting greatness, just more so something fun to play with. Has anyone else played with the Kospet Hope? or Optimus Prime? Anyone going to buy the Prime?
Specs:
Processor: MTK6739 1.25GHZ (Quad Core)
Operating System: Android 7.1.1
Display: 1.6" inch IPS LCD 400x400
Memory::32 GB ROM + 3 GB RAM
Battery: 1260 Lithium Polymer Battery
Sensors: Heart Rate Monitor, Pedometer, GPS
Camera(s): 5.0MP (2.0MP software update) Side:8.0MP (5MP software update)
BODY RESISTANCE: IP67 Water Proof
CONNECTIVITY
SIM Slot: Yes Nano SIM GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz WCDMA 900/2100MHz
WIFI: Yes WIFI 802.11b/g/n
NFC: none
Bluetooth: Bluetooth version: V4.0
USB: none
BODY
Size: 28.00 x 5.08 x 1.85 cm
Weight: 0.0830 kg
Casing: Ceramic
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So I've had a couple days to play with it. Here are my thoughts.
1: Mine came with what appears to be a bubble in the glass layers, and some chips in the bezel around the glass.
2: The watch is much lighter than I thought it would be for being so large.
3: Text can be small, but is still quite readable.
4: Things are resized for this watch's screen resolution. (It's Android OS, not Wear OS) When installing an application, some of the options (accept, install, yes, no), barely show up on the screen.
5: Build quality seems on par with the price. It's not "cheap" feeling, but also not "quality."
6: The camera quality is on par with what you'd expect for a camera put into a watch. It records as well as takes still pictures.
7: It's definitely snappier than my TicWatch Pro LTE for menu and most navigation, however there are some times when it doesn't shine as well (like when just trying to log in to my gmail account).
8: Battery life right now with installing apps, usage, screen going on and off, wifi on, bluetooth on, no sim, gps off, I'm at 93% (6 hours of I'd say heavy use with installing apps and setup).
9: The screen is VERY bright, but has the ability to dim it like a phone.
10: There are 11 watch faces built in. Most of the options are quite ugly but also contain some "transformer " looking options (I guess this goes with the "Prime" aspect of it.
11: You can set it to either metric or imperial measurements for your fitness tracking
12: The app that you can download for it is called WiiWatch (No relation to Nintendo I'm sure). It really only just shows your fitness tracking data and has a few settings.
The packaging is interesting, every box has Kospet on it. It comes with a screw driver, as well as additional screw(s), a screen protector, a charger + usb cable. I'd like to add that the usb cable plugging into the charger does not go in all the way, as well as the watch resting on it doesn't always make the best connection.
Current Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/NUMauknhWG6d5m8w5

I've just bought it...
When I get it I can leave some insights if you want.

It's a great watch build quality super, the only thing it's font size on notification and the browser, install setting search and change the font size to large, leave the display size as it's. Good looking watch

duanim said:
It's a great watch build quality super, the only thing it's font size on notification and the browser, install setting search and change the font size to large, leave the display size as it's. Good looking watch
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Have you received it already? Mine says it was shipped today, so it will still take a few weeks I guess.
Is it well synchronized with your phone? Do you receive all the notifications from Messenger and Whatsapp without delays?
You have to share you internet connection in order to have those right? You share it from bluetooth?
Also, how's it in terms of battery life?
Thanks in advance!

I have received it. I didn't wear it for the weekend, and when I came back (after ~50h), it still had 50% of battery left. It gets the notifications via Bluetooth, dismissing them dismisses them only from the watch. I don't know if they are actionable. Then it disconnected and I stopped getting them, but oh well, at least it shows the time.
How do I install Wear OS on this thing? The original software is... ugh. On the watch you have just Android 7, but the phone app is typical Chinese sh*t with no settings and almost no functionality (just to disable some apps form sending notifications, view fitness data, battery level and download watchfaces with no search/sort options ). Doesn't let you configure anything on the watch remotely (and I don't like watch touchscreens that much...)
When I won the battle of enabling google assistant on the watch, and asked it to turn on the lights, it... googled the phrase. Even though it's the same account as I use everywhere else.

DrG0nz0 said:
Have you received it already? Mine says it was shipped today, so it will still take a few weeks I guess.
Is it well synchronized with your phone? Do you receive all the notifications from Messenger and Whatsapp without delays?
You have to share you internet connection in order to have those right? You share it from bluetooth?
Also, how's it in terms of battery life?
Thanks in advance!
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i did return mine because it have some dust debris between the display and i don't like Gear..****. So they don't have the watch anymore in stock, that is what they
said and they will give me the money back loosing expending $10 more in the transaction . so i did decide to buy the Lemfo Lem10 3/32Gb for $125 .
The Prime its pretty build quality and good looking,for me the downside was the resolution 400x400 for 1.6" inches display still the font size too small and for outdoors purpose the IPS display wasn't really good like the Zeblaze Thor Pro 3g Android 5.1, year old device.
Don't install or use the Wiiwatch companion app, instead use Watchdroid app its much better, yes you will get all the notification with more features and everything with Bluetooth connection, don't need for internet sharing. Go to Discouse Fullandroid watch.com and you will find all kinds of information.

duanim said:
i did return mine because it have some dust debris between the display and i don't like Gear..****. So they don't have the watch anymore in stock, that is what they
said and they will give me the money back loosing expending $10 more in the transaction . so i did decide to buy the Lemfo Lem10 3/32Gb for $125 .
The Prime its pretty build quality and good looking,for me the downside was the resolution 400x400 for 1.6" inches display still the font size too small and for outdoors purpose the IPS display wasn't really good like the Zeblaze Thor Pro 3g Android 5.1, year old device.
Don't install or use the Wiiwatch companion app, instead use Watchdroid app its much better, yes you will get all the notification with more features and everything with Bluetooth connection, don't need for internet sharing. Go to Discouse Fullandroid watch.com and you will find all kinds of information.
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Thanks so much for the tips man!!
With all syncronized did you get an estimative on the battery before sending it back?

DrG0nz0 said:
Thanks so much for the tips man!!
With all syncronized did you get an estimative on the battery before sending it back?
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no much time to play ,i did return it in 3 days after

I'll be making updates to the original post as I dig in some more.

Just came back from a hol in the states and met this watch on my desk. Nice build quality and as previously mentioned not as light as the size would suggest. Just installing apps on it now. Will get back on how it's going.. I have been using it pretty hevily and i have already drained 60% of power after 5 hours.. Not sure if this is acceptable but i can't keeep my hands off the thing so the display has been on for a fair while each time. Incidently, the battery came 100% charged.

shepscrook said:
I'll be making updates to the original post as I dig in some more.
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any new reports from the last days?
A friend of mine already got it in England and he says that if you are using the WatchDroid app also the battery drains a lot!
Also, he says that it keeps disconecting, he needs to open the app on the watch to get all the notifications. Do you relate to any of this?

DrG0nz0 said:
any new reports from the last days?
A friend of mine already got it in England and he says that if you are using the WatchDroid app also the battery drains a lot!
Also, he says that it keeps disconecting, he needs to open the app on the watch to get all the notifications. Do you relate to any of this?
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Not entirely sure this is down to WatchDroid though I have uninstalled it now myself. My battery drain was mainly down to the Wifi adapter being enabled. this has definately been an issue with previous versions of the Kospet watch range and I suspect this may not have changed here. I was down to 50% battery within half a day with Wifi enabled.. Having disasbled it i am easily getting the best part of 2 plus days out of it with moderate use and disabling Wifi when not using it.

kingtendo said:
Not entirely sure this is down to WatchDroid though I have uninstalled it now myself. My battery drain was mainly down to the Wifi adapter being enabled. this has definately been an issue with previous versions of the Kospet watch range and I suspect this may not have changed here. I was down to 50% battery within half a day with Wifi enabled.. Having disasbled it i am easily getting the best part of 2 plus days out of it with moderate use and disabling Wifi when not using it.
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We found a solution in this forum:
https://discourse.fullandroidwatch.com/t/the-kospet-prime-official-post/50234/200
Apparently he doesn't "like" to have the WiiWatch and watchdroid on at the same time....once he deactivated all the WiiWatch services it's all good...
I'm still waiting to receive mine, it's been on Amsterdam wearhouse for a couple of days, smoking one out I guess...

Short review after a few days of use - Kospet PRIME
I am advanced user of the smartwatches since the first generation of Galaxy GEAR watch from SAMSUNG (SM-V700) with custom rom (full android)
It would be great to have similar watch with current up-to-date hardware - main request is to keep the camera placement facing outwards (on the body of the watch, not on the belt) to ensure that watch is water tight to 50 meters (at least to allow swimming/snorkeling with it – see Sunto watches for good water tight specs)
For Kospet Prime – Watch is nice but I have following (software) problems:
1. cradle connection sound would be nice to have – for now it is not sure that it is really well connected and charging
2. charging icon is displayed but too short time – please display it for longer or for whole time when watch is connected to the cradle
3. lack of ability to customize buttons (especially down button for camera operation for example
4. lack of configurable default applications screen – by sweeping right – after the list (or “apple style” apps icons) there should be possible to select 6-9 application shortcuts in the screen
5. lack of quick dial contact list (I need to be able to dial quickly to 6 or 9 contacts – activate call on the main phone when watch is in airplane mode, and activate call on the watch with SIM active
6. switching from round to square screen make the menu list invisible (ok after restart)
7. swipe up shall be customizable – instead of default sport application it should be configurable – for example to launch camera
8. temperature on the default watch screen is updated, however with delay (only when weather check is done)
9. video on the main camera is recorded VERTICALLY ???!!! WHY not horizontally ???
10. COMMUNICATION WITH PHONE when with watch in the “airplane mode” but with BT/wifi on - to see incoming calls notifications – who is calling. When (Connected normal big Android phone) phone is ringing – this shall be improved – please start to work with company Lumatic Software - and integrate/optimize well their application “Watch Droid” - in general please be more aware of the real use of the watch – in most cases watch is used WITH close integration with large phone (like Samsung NOTE10+) and all messages from phone shall be displayed on the watch, it should be possible to start phone calls from watch but ON THE PHONE with BT headset connected, so for example when You are riding the bike, there is no need to take big phone out from the pocket- You start the phone call from the watch, and talk over BT headset. Phone functionality in the watch itself is used only from time to time – for example if somebody goes to run or goes to the beach (that is why 5atm water tightness is needed) – just to be able to make quick phone call from the watch, without taking “big” phone on the run. In general – please copy the behavior (and stability ) of the Samsung watches, just keep the camera ..
11. Please allow to disable animation for time display – If somebody want to have quick look – it takes time the watch “stabilize” and shows real time
12. Screen on rising – works with delay – it is not stable for all the time
13. Default setup is missing calculator application.
14. temperature on the default watch screen is updated, however with delay (only when weather check is done)
15. contacts are displayed by first name instead of last name – I did not find the way to switch this setting for last name first
16. For desktop adaptation and functionality – please try to allow configuration as in NOVA LAUNCHER – to be able to set icons as needed, enable swipe actions, etc.
Hardware upgrade requests for “ideal watch”:
- 5 atm water tight – please make such watch really water tight to allow to swim/dive with it
- Cameras shall be placed at 12 hour Instead of 3 and face outwards (same as on SM-V700 Samsung watch) with second camera front facing.
- Camera shall record video in horizontal mode PLEASE!!!!
- Camera quality – please use 5MP camera sensor with good low light quality – there is no need for too many megapixels, but the camera shall offer good quality
- Two more customizable buttons on the left of the watch to launch custom applications quickly
- Wireless charging
- Reliable pulse/ecg measurement

lukasz said:
I am advanced user of the smartwatches since the first generation of Galaxy GEAR watch from SAMSUNG (SM-V700) with custom rom (full android)
It would be great to have similar watch with current up-to-date hardware - main request is to keep the camera placement facing outwards (on the body of the watch, not on the belt) to ensure that watch is water tight to 50 meters (at least to allow swimming/snorkeling with it – see Sunto watches for good water tight specs)
For Kospet Prime – Watch is nice but I have following (software) problems:
1. cradle connection sound would be nice to have – for now it is not sure that it is really well connected and charging
2. charging icon is displayed but too short time – please display it for longer or for whole time when watch is connected to the cradle
3. lack of ability to customize buttons (especially down button for camera operation for example
4. lack of configurable default applications screen – by sweeping right – after the list (or “apple style” apps icons) there should be possible to select 6-9 application shortcuts in the screen
5. lack of quick dial contact list (I need to be able to dial quickly to 6 or 9 contacts – activate call on the main phone when watch is in airplane mode, and activate call on the watch with SIM active
6. switching from round to square screen make the menu list invisible (ok after restart)
7. swipe up shall be customizable – instead of default sport application it should be configurable – for example to launch camera
8. temperature on the default watch screen is updated, however with delay (only when weather check is done)
9. video on the main camera is recorded VERTICALLY ???!!! WHY not horizontally ???
10. COMMUNICATION WITH PHONE when with watch in the “airplane mode” but with BT/wifi on - to see incoming calls notifications – who is calling. When (Connected normal big Android phone) phone is ringing – this shall be improved – please start to work with company Lumatic Software - and integrate/optimize well their application “Watch Droid” - in general please be more aware of the real use of the watch – in most cases watch is used WITH close integration with large phone (like Samsung NOTE10+) and all messages from phone shall be displayed on the watch, it should be possible to start phone calls from watch but ON THE PHONE with BT headset connected, so for example when You are riding the bike, there is no need to take big phone out from the pocket- You start the phone call from the watch, and talk over BT headset. Phone functionality in the watch itself is used only from time to time – for example if somebody goes to run or goes to the beach (that is why 5atm water tightness is needed) – just to be able to make quick phone call from the watch, without taking “big” phone on the run. In general – please copy the behavior (and stability ) of the Samsung watches, just keep the camera ..
11. Please allow to disable animation for time display – If somebody want to have quick look – it takes time the watch “stabilize” and shows real time
12. Screen on rising – works with delay – it is not stable for all the time
13. Default setup is missing calculator application.
14. temperature on the default watch screen is updated, however with delay (only when weather check is done)
15. contacts are displayed by first name instead of last name – I did not find the way to switch this setting for last name first
16. For desktop adaptation and functionality – please try to allow configuration as in NOVA LAUNCHER – to be able to set icons as needed, enable swipe actions, etc.
Hardware upgrade requests for “ideal watch”:
- 5 atm water tight – please make such watch really water tight to allow to swim/dive with it
- Cameras shall be placed at 12 hour Instead of 3 and face outwards (same as on SM-V700 Samsung watch) with second camera front facing.
- Camera shall record video in horizontal mode PLEASE!!!!
- Camera quality – please use 5MP camera sensor with good low light quality – there is no need for too many megapixels, but the camera shall offer good quality
- Two more customizable buttons on the left of the watch to launch custom applications quickly
- Wireless charging
- Reliable pulse/ecg measurement
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Thanks for the updates!!
From what I could gather, most of your problems can be solved if you install WatchDroid instead of WiiWatch and also put on a launcher (can't remember the name now). Don't forget that this is a fully-fledged android so we can tweak around all we want...

DrG0nz0 said:
Thanks for the updates!!
From what I could gather, most of your problems can be solved if you install WatchDroid instead of WiiWatch and also put on a launcher (can't remember the name now). Don't forget that this is a fully-fledged android so we can tweak around all we want...
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its going to be two years until we get something like that, i wish and we hope
:good:

duanim said:
its going to be two years until we get something like that, i wish and we hope
:good:
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I am already waiting 5 years since SM-V700 Galaxy gear watch... but I do not think that it will take that long right now - in fact it is jut the redesign of the watch case to move the camera to the top of the watch, and I hope that this new chassis will also be redesigned to feature 5atm water tightness. The rest of the watch is quite good - battery capacity in PRIME is 4 times!!! the capacity of SM-V700 (1260 vs 315 mAh) I have made custom setup for the watch and thanks to Watch Droid application in the v9.1.19.9 version (previous than the version available now in Playstore) it is possible to integrate watch with the android phone quite well.
I will try to publish YT video about it.

Are there any other forums I can check out for help with this watch? Anyone got a recommendation of companion app other than Wii Watch (utter toilet) or Watch Droid (flaky at best)

kingtendo said:
Are there any other forums I can check out for help with this watch? Anyone got a recommendation of companion app other than Wii Watch (utter toilet) or Watch Droid (flaky at best)
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full android smartwatch

duanim said:
full android smartwatch
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Please have a look what options KOSPET PRIME brings us after advanced setup - see my video at https://youtu.be/fdvKLo_uAhs