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I used NoniGPSPlot to trace my movements as the GPS reported them, while I ran back and forth in my yard this evening; I took screen to show you how crazy can the GPS be in this device.
Facts:
1) these screens have been taken with the shake-to-screenshot function of BsB tweak
2) the results you see here are constant, I just decided today to take screens of what regularly happens whenever I want to test the precision of GPS
3) my movement has been a plain run back and forth on a linear path, probably 50m or so, no pauses but the ones needed to reverse the course when I reached the end of the yard
4) it is 8pm here atm, cold outside, clear sky, no buildings nearby except my own, which is still 30m away from the running path... and I do not live in a skyscraper anyway
5) I was holding the HD2 in my hand all the time while running
6) I had given enough time to the gps position to fix, I have deleted the erratic trace the gps gives as soon as it starts acquiring position
7) I can proficiently use TomTom to follow the road with my car, no erratic behaviours there, except the usual places where there's a slight turn and tomtom thinks you're still on the main course, just to realize a few seconds later that you actually are on the almost parallel street
Here are the shots:
(first one taken with GPSmodDriver disabled, nonigpsplot set to use the COM4 internal GPS)
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(second screen, taken with GPSmodDriver enabled, profile set to walking, all default prefs, nothing changed but selecting the walking profile)
Also please notice the distance reported by nonigpsplot to have been ran, in the lower right corner. There's NOWAY I could've ran that much meters.
I would very much appreciate your thoughts, suggestions, whatever, except:
1) you should see a physiotherapist because you have a strange conception of "straight line"
2) you should check your yard for relativistic holes
3) your GPS chip is faulty, return the unit (lame excuse, were the GPS system faulty I would've gotten completely erratic readings -telling me I'm in asia for example instead of nearby rome- or no readings at all)
4) nonigpsplot is a bad software (that's, afaik, a very widely used app, can't believe it behaves erratically just for me; also, I used googlemaps connected though my wifi, and I can tell you that, even if gmaps doesn't do plots, the direction arrow representing me was pointing in the most variables place while I moved; anyway, if you have in mind other fre gps plotting softwares, I'll be happy to test them in my yard, or you can do the same at your place and report here
Well, GPS tends to be accurate if you're standing still, or if you're moving at a decent speed.
It is less accurate at slow speeds.
The accuracy per "tick" can be +/- 20m or more, but you'll usually find it's about 5m, so basically, every time it calculates the position it'll be about 5m off in any direction.
Despite that, your accuracy does seem to be all over the place, if that scale on the program is correct. How many satellites did you have a lock on? The meter on the bottom right of the screen seems to indicate very poor reception, this would also result in larger jumps in position, as would tall buildings/trees/anything around you.
I had 6 "working" satellites above me, the mean of the reception bars length was a little above 50%. My yard does have tall trees around it, not that many tho. Let's say that this Leo is not good for hicking, as for example, if I'm going to use it to find my way out of a forest, I can kiss goodbye to home The fix is still lightning fast if compared to my previous BT antenna.
theemed said:
I had 6 "working" satellites above me, the mean of the reception bars length was a little above 50%. My yard does have tall trees around it, not that many tho. Let's say that this Leo is not good for hicking, as for example, if I'm going to use it to find my way out of a forest, I can kiss goodbye to home The fix is still lightning fast if compared to my previous BT antenna.
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You should have a lock on at least 7 satellites to get a decent reading.
Most GPSes are no good for walking, I reckon the ones in phones are good for knowing where you are on foot, and just keeping you going in generally the right direction, and they concentrate more on usability for driving.
I think I should get more info on that, had no idea 7 satellites were necessary. Following my high-school studies, afaik 3 measures are sufficient to get an evaluation of a 3d position, so I supposed 6 satellites were far more than enough
In which case, my yard is not a good point enough...
Im using my HTC HD 2 as a data collector plotting up to 80 - 200 waypoints a day with 15 - 35 metre accuracy which is quite acceptable for a recreational type GPS. Equally as good if not better then our Bluetooth Globalsat BT338 units.
We get more satellites and a lower PDOPs then the Globalsats which have the sirf 3 chip.
Ihave been really impressed with the HDT HD 2 GPS
5 or 6 satellites are good enough for an accurate position
Try marking a waypoint several times and testing the deviation in position
Well, I do not have a real "waypoint" whenever I stand still, I have a moving position, or at least that's what nonigpsplot gives me.
Out of curiosity, what's the tool you use to plot?
Were using OziExplorer for our mapping, finding our way to the waypoints etc
and a specially developed program for the data collection and plotting.
I have not used nonigpsplot if it has a trial download I will see how it goes on my HD 2
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afaik 3 measures are sufficient to get an evaluation of a 3d position.
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It is, but it will have awful precision due to the timing tolerances of the GPS system. The more sats you have the more precise you get, with about 10 needed to get a 5m precision. Your software does tell you the reception is low, and this normally takes more into account than just the number of sats.
One thing that plays a great role is how separated the sats you're receiving are. If you use a GPS program that shows the sat positions, you can have a look at where they are. If they're all "packed" in the same area of the sky, your precision will be low. The more separated they are the better it gets (extend on the thought that if 2 sats are at the same place, they're no better than one, try to triangulate if 2 of the 3 points are at the same place or very close).
What this can show is that the HD2's GPS could have a bit less filtering than usual, but not much more.
kilrah said:
One thing that plays a great role is how separated the sats you're receiving are. If you use a GPS program that shows the sat positions, you can have a look at where they are. If they're all "packed" in the same area of the sky, your precision will be low. The more separated they are the better it gets (extend on the thought that if 2 sats are at the same place, they're no better than one, try to triangulate if 2 of the 3 points are at the same place or very close).
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Nonigpsplot has a nice 3d view of the sats position in the sky, and well they actually are in the medium circle between azimuth and the horizon. At least now I know how to make more out of that kind of info, I never thought about sat position to be important in that matter, even if after all it's pretty obvious
forest.ranger said:
I have not used nonigpsplot if it has a trial download I will see how it goes on my HD 2
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If not for anything else, at least nonigpsplot has a very big advantage when compared to oziexplorer... it's free And does work with gmaps and openstreetmap
I will take a sample of mine.
However with your low number of sats I would suspect thats your problem. Poor accuracy is what I would expect from only a few satelites.
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and well they actually are in the medium circle between azimuth and the horizon.
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Don't forget the number of visible sats and their positions change constantly
I had a play with NoniGPSPlot today while at work. While I was standing still I was getting the same erratic jumps as in the screenshots but when moving at a walk it would show a track line.
I was getting the same weak signal indication but the satellite page of NoniGPSPlot was showing 6 satellites and OxiExplorer was showing 8.
The erratic jumps in the screenshots could be just the normal variation of each gps plot exaggerated by the program.
looks like a deflection issue to me
I took nonigpsplot with me today on a roughly 34km total long trip, back and forth.
No big problems while moving, but as soon as I stopped the car at the (frequent here) traffic jams, the position kept wandering off in various directions with some looping paths and came slowly back near the real position of the car to almost stop there. It idled there even after I moved the car, to follow me with a big jump a few second after I started moving.
It's like there's some sort of built-in "inertia" in the GPS chip....
I've been messaging with the HTC support, and they basically dany that the HD2 gps chip could ever behave like that, and that it's sure the fault of the nonigpsplot application, which may interfere with the GPS reception EVEN WHEN IT'S NOT RUNNING )
I asked them to recommend me a gps plotting utility which is compatible with the HD2 GPS chip, let's see what they're going to suggest
Have you tried Reperion?
I use it with my HD2, its not beautiful, but it works well for me, using it mainly to send tracks live to Google Earth.
http://live.reperion.com/media/
theemed said:
I've been messaging with the HTC support, and they basically dany that the HD2 gps chip could ever behave like that, and that it's sure the fault of the nonigpsplot application, which may interfere with the GPS reception EVEN WHEN IT'S NOT RUNNING )
I asked them to recommend me a gps plotting utility which is compatible with the HD2 GPS chip, let's see what they're going to suggest
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Chances are HTC support are only trained on basic phone functions. I would not rely on them for help on anything complicated. This is what XDA is here for!
bslask said:
Have you tried Reperion?
I use it with my HD2, its not beautiful, but it works well for me, using it mainly to send tracks live to Google Earth.
http://live.reperion.com/media/
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Downloaded and installed... alas I'm inside now so i can't really use it
Will report back... but still, my request to HTC support about an alternative plotting solution was to tease them out of the "not our fault, it's the app, uninstall it!" defense strategy...
elyl said:
Chances are HTC support are only trained on basic phone functions. I would not rely on them for help on anything complicated. This is what XDA is here for!
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well okay, that's correct still, I can't complain with the guru's at xda for something which is probably due to HTC's shortsightedness in choosing/implementing the gps subsystem of their device. I know I should just pair this hd2 with my old BT antenna to see if I get the same weird position jump while being still that I get with the internal gps...
theemed said:
I used NoniGPSPlot to trace my movements as the GPS reported them, while I ran back and forth in my yard this evening; I took screen to show you how crazy can the GPS be in this device.
Facts:
1) these screens have been taken with the shake-to-screenshot function of BsB tweak
2) the results you see here are constant, I just decided today to take screens of what regularly happens whenever I want to test the precision of GPS
3) my movement has been a plain run back and forth on a linear path, probably 50m or so, no pauses but the ones needed to reverse the course when I reached the end of the yard
4) it is 8pm here atm, cold outside, clear sky, no buildings nearby except my own, which is still 30m away from the running path... and I do not live in a skyscraper anyway
5) I was holding the HD2 in my hand all the time while running
6) I had given enough time to the gps position to fix, I have deleted the erratic trace the gps gives as soon as it starts acquiring position
7) I can proficiently use TomTom to follow the road with my car, no erratic behaviours there, except the usual places where there's a slight turn and tomtom thinks you're still on the main course, just to realize a few seconds later that you actually are on the almost parallel street
Here are the shots:
(first one taken with GPSmodDriver disabled, nonigpsplot set to use the COM4 internal GPS)
(second screen, taken with GPSmodDriver enabled, profile set to walking, all default prefs, nothing changed but selecting the walking profile)
Also please notice the distance reported by nonigpsplot to have been ran, in the lower right corner. There's NOWAY I could've ran that much meters.
I would very much appreciate your thoughts, suggestions, whatever, except:
1) you should see a physiotherapist because you have a strange conception of "straight line"
2) you should check your yard for relativistic holes
3) your GPS chip is faulty, return the unit (lame excuse, were the GPS system faulty I would've gotten completely erratic readings -telling me I'm in asia for example instead of nearby rome- or no readings at all)
4) nonigpsplot is a bad software (that's, afaik, a very widely used app, can't believe it behaves erratically just for me; also, I used googlemaps connected though my wifi, and I can tell you that, even if gmaps doesn't do plots, the direction arrow representing me was pointing in the most variables place while I moved; anyway, if you have in mind other fre gps plotting softwares, I'll be happy to test them in my yard, or you can do the same at your place and report here
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There's no doubt - the gps in the HD2 does not perform as expected (or rather, does not perfrom well at all - very bad accuracy, completely useless in everyday navigation - it fits only for general orientation). I can verify the same behavior. is it software or program related issue? The guys in HTC don't really (want to) help us...
This post is intended for troubleshooting and finding solution to the GPS on Galaxy S ONLY
For arguing, dissing, and the sort, please go in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=722476
Post here your findings, your solutions and your attempt at finding a better fix for the GPS.
If you happend to try something and it doesn't work, please state it also
And keep away from none relevant facts
Here's my finding so far:
The way the device is put (in a pocket or in a car) seems to greatly influence the signal and the streight of it. The antenna is (apparently) situated in the upper left part of the backplate, just outward by the Sim card. if the signal is obstucted or not facing the right spot, it might get a hard time getting a fix.
Someone might confirm this and I will try to record a couple of track while the device is place differently in my pocket to confirm it has an effect.
I'm using it for:
Mostly keeping track of my working with Sporty Pal. As for now, I get an error rate of under 3%, wich is acceptable as far as I go but a lower rate would certainly be taken
As for navigations and Trapster, it's still pretty "on the spot", I'm drinving a 1995 Acura Integra, so I don't know if the insulation of the vehicule could affect the signal and the device is always on a spot where it "sees" the sky.
Settings used
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Session Type: Tracking
Test Mode: S/W Test
Operation Mode: Standalone
Start Mode: Hot Start
GPS Plus: ON
Dynamic Accuracy: ON (Please note, putting it to "off" will make the GPS lose signal way too often...
Accuracy: 20
Use SkyHook: OFF
Use PC Tool: OFF
Location Settings
Use Wireless Network: OFF
Use GPS Satellites: ON
Phone Info
FirmWare version:2.1 update1
Baseband:I9000UGJH2
Build Number: Eclair.UGJH2
LagFix used: None
Rooted using: None
Uptime about 16h
Known Workaround
1-TrackerBooster (available on the market)
This is a booster for the GPS, if you have issue where the position goes all around randomly, try installing and running this apps before running your GPS application. It was tested with SportyPal and gave amazing result.
2-BlueTooth GPS, some users have tested this solution here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=818688
you can most likely find one under 30$ and it should resolve the issue.
t1mman said:
Settings used:
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should work better. (Does not work on Froyo JPM).
well lets start with listing the known solutions
like for example using the external GPS receivers via Bluetooth
there are several tested and working Bluetooth GPS apps by our members in the Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps section of the forum
Thanks, corrected!
I did start a thread posting 2 videos with "solutions" where users can actually see those "gps solutions" in action eliminating any kind of speculation (seeing is believing), but the thread was removed with no warning or explanation...
Anyway here are the videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM2gm5DAOjM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6QnNMxuCig&feature=related
In both videos, sgs's gps performance is flawless with or WITHOUT any assist (2nd video)like agps or aid of from an external bluetooth gps receiver (like in the first video).
In the meantime I already did 5 more driving tests, always running Motonav and so far no need for using my external bluetooth gps device.
The firmware is JPH, not customized and no lag-fix of any kind (not needed)
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Right, I dont want to start an argument and the video's above are very usefull.
But I think it's possible that the navigation software you are using is optimised and more than likely programmed to keep you on the road, rather than drifting all over the place.
I noticed this while in the car earlier. When using "google maps" my position was often miles out and all over, however when using the "google navigation" it kept me on the road and appeared to track my location really well.
So from a navigation by road point of view I don't have a problem.
So i thought a compare of SNR levels compared to a differant phone might help, so i took a photo of my sgs running GPS Test, next to a Orange Sanfrancisco/ZTE Blade. Both are running froyo, both had gps and a-gps turned on. Both were next to eachother, both were left to settle for five minutes after the apps were started. Both were connected to exactly the same wifi connection. Finally the ZTE was connected to 02 network, and the sgs is on orange.
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From what you can see in the photo's the levels are pretty similar. Maybe with the sgs gaining a higher level on average compared over all satelittes it found.
Now with both devices sat next to eachother this is fine, however on moving around the sgs kept loosing its lock on the sattelites and stopped using them, however the blade kept its lock better. The blade seemed to keep its lock even with the SNR of some satelittes getting very low, however the sgs lost its lock at a far greater snr level.
Now I don't know a great deal about gps, but it seemed to me like the sgs gave up its lock far easier than the blade. Maybe this is what is causing our problems, maybe once it has given up this lock, the sattelite information is decreased causing a less accurate location.
Now I don't know how this could be rectified, but I imagine it is either driver related, or maybe some code in the actual gps chip itself. But im not 100% sure. It would be great if someone more knowledgable than me could give us their two pence.
betoNL: Thanks for the TrackerBooster apps, I've done a run this evening with it and it's trully amazing!! With it, I don't see any "jumping around" issue at all. If anyone has any issues where the position goes "randomly", they should try TrackerBooster.
SkinBobUk: Thanks for the sharing, I'll try GPS test and post image with and without TrackerBooster to compare
personally iv used the gps quite a lot to navigate around the U.A.E and most of it was using the trapster program to keep an eye on radars/speed traps while driving.
testing the gps is totally random, the results are never improving, simply random.
sometimes id get a fix in seconds and other times it wouldn't (guess its an SGS thing), playing around the settings i found the best combination to be...
Session Type: Tracking
Test Mode: S/W Test
Operation Mode: MS Based
Start Mode: Hot Start
GPS Plus: ON
Dynamic Accuracy: ON
Accuracy: 500
Use SkyHook: ON
Use PC Tool: OFF
tho accuracy is high at 500 the test showed better lock on gps and a max of 20m error, with accuracy i found out that the smaller the number , the harder it is for gps to get/maintain a lock ( even with high SnR numbers between 25-40 maintaining a lock was hard, the SGS was jumping around which gps to lock on ) and with a high number it would maintain the lock for a longer period of time. Highest i found was 500 and anything beyond that wont even activate the gps when running the get position test.
last weekend iv been on a fishing trip and needed the gps help , it was working amazingly accurate up to 5m error thruout the trip but every 5 minutes or so it would hang/freeze and the solution was to restart the program which was fine by me.
Conclution is that GPS is simply unreliable being in its Random State
(when under a lot of testing the gps would freeze/hang and a phone restart is needed to get it back up {switching gps off and back on doesn't help}) , i found a small app in the market called GPS optimisation by octy which should optimise signal reception but for me it doesn't but rather fixes the gps and gets it back from its frozen/hung state - time it takes to restart the phone = more than a min but this app does it in seconds
hope this accuracy options helps you people out in getting better/longer locks on gps
I also use tracker booster with sportypal combined, it provide great accuracy
SkinBobUk said:
Now I don't know a great deal about gps, but it seemed to me like the sgs gave up its lock far easier than the blade. Maybe this is what is causing our problems, maybe once it has given up this lock, the sattelite information is decreased causing a less accurate location.
Now I don't know how this could be rectified, but I imagine it is either driver related, or maybe some code in the actual gps chip itself. But im not 100% sure. It would be great if someone more knowledgable than me could give us their two pence.
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got the same feeling/issues/feedback when i tested the gps. trackerbooster and equivalent apps didn't really help me with the "lost lock too easily" issue
when its locked it seems to work fine (accuracy wise), but it keep losing the lock of all sats at once every now and then
On my SGS I have found that if I hold it with the screen vertical or tilted back slightly I get significantly higher signal than if it is horizontal. Also portrait is better than landscape by 2-3 dB.
Please write your firmware / Rom info and if it's stock or with Root/Lagfix
Currently, the only conclusion I can make is this combination is running flawlessly:
Accuracy on 20
Rom on JH2 (Stock for BellCanada)
TrackerBooster installed/enabled
NO lagfix
NO rooting
Latest run with this combination is right on the spot so far as jogging, I can clearly see where I cross the street or when I ran into a parking lot.
Imho, there are no special fixes or special settings to improve sgs's gps performance, just some "assist" or a-gps if you will.
There are all kind of a-gps possibilities besides the "standard" one that uses cellular towers wich in many situations can be unreliable.
Other types of "assist" are implemented by using the right software to simply download "fresh ephemeris data and injecting it to accelerate the first lock during a cold start* .
The big issue (again, in my opinion) is WHY the majority of the smartphones nowadays (and with that I mean NOT ONLY the sgs), are equiped wich gps chipsets that will require 'ASSISTING" ??
A couple of years ago, experts of the GPSPassion forum performed a comparison test between devices equiped with a sirfstarIII chipset and others with a-gps and the conclusion
was as I quote:
CONCLUSION
While the Qualcomm gpsONE chipset of the HTC P3600 performs better than on the Siemens SXG75 Linux Smartphone where it could take 10+ minutes to get a fix, it remains much less effective than the SiRFstarIII chipset used on most current GPS PDAPhones . This comparison also shows the impact of GPS Assistance (A-GPS) to get a fix and reduce the time to guidance. Even the "offline A-GPS" of the Mio A701 helps significantly, while the "Full A-GPS"(SUPL) of the Orange SPV M650 will bring extra speed and more so as the conditions deteriorate.
Overall, the GPS performance of the SiRFstarIII PDAPhones is excellent and does not pale in comparison with the performance of dedicated GPS systems like the TomTom AIOs as seen in this comparison done in the same area. Let's hope the upcoming GPS PDAPhones like the HTC X7500, the Eten X800, the Mio A501, etc...will maintain these high standards.
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(here is the whole article: http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=175&page=6)
Well, their hope was is vain, cause even the very expensive so called high-end smartphones,
just stoped using sirfstar III chipsets or equivalent and using a-gps dependable ones,forcing users to find, configure or re-invent A-GPS solutions!
The good news (at least for me) is that the gps chipset of the sgs is LESS A-gps dependable than many other smartphones I tested, and even if it wasnt, I can always rely on the aid of my external bluetooth gps receiver(equiped with a sirfstarIII chipset), since programs like "bluetooth gps mouse" and "gps provider" work like a charm on the Android OS (see my first video: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8876869&postcount=5).
Another issue is that Google maps could be unreliable for car navigation and of course unreliable for testing as well: http://forum.samdroid.net/f9/maps-navigation-bug-missing-value-gps-accuracy-1247/
Cheers
* - http://books.google.nl/books?id=2Cx...=cold start and hot start definitions&f=false
In the images earlier in the thread where someone posted two pics, one of the SGS and a matched one with another phone, the SGS seemed to be consistently 3 to 4 lower on the same satellite at the same time. That would likely be a hardware (antenna) issue, and could it be that is the problem with fluctuating results, that the reception is just too flaky?
To me, that is an eye opener. Id like to know if it would be likely for the software to cause a reported different in signal strength. You would think that the reported signal strength would be unchanged from the chip, through the driver to the reporting software, no?
SkinBobUk said:
Right, I dont want to start an argument and the video's above are very usefull.
But I think it's possible that the navigation software you are using is optimised and more than likely programmed to keep you on the road, rather than drifting all over the place.
I noticed this while in the car earlier. When using "google maps" my position was often miles out and all over, however when using the "google navigation" it kept me on the road and appeared to track my location really well.
So from a navigation by road point of view I don't have a problem.
So i thought a compare of SNR levels compared to a differant phone might help, so i took a photo of my sgs running GPS Test, next to a Orange Sanfrancisco/ZTE Blade. Both are running froyo, both had gps and a-gps turned on. Both were next to eachother, both were left to settle for five minutes after the apps were started. Both were connected to exactly the same wifi connection. Finally the ZTE was connected to 02 network, and the sgs is on orange.
From what you can see in the photo's the levels are pretty similar. Maybe with the sgs gaining a higher level on average compared over all satelittes it found.
Now with both devices sat next to eachother this is fine, however on moving around the sgs kept loosing its lock on the sattelites and stopped using them, however the blade kept its lock better. The blade seemed to keep its lock even with the SNR of some satelittes getting very low, however the sgs lost its lock at a far greater snr level.
Now I don't know a great deal about gps, but it seemed to me like the sgs gave up its lock far easier than the blade. Maybe this is what is causing our problems, maybe once it has given up this lock, the sattelite information is decreased causing a less accurate location.
Now I don't know how this could be rectified, but I imagine it is either driver related, or maybe some code in the actual gps chip itself. But im not 100% sure. It would be great if someone more knowledgable than me could give us their two pence.
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Thank's for the input, but in wich conditions and where those pictures were taken? Are they taken with a camera or are they screenshots?
What I can say, eventhough I find OFFLINE software car navigation more reliable (and I always use up-to-date maps) they are not "optimized" to "keep me on the road" as you speculated, is more likely that the full A-gps (SUPL) on the Orange Sanfrancisco/ZTE Blade is better optimized than sgs's but then again that's speculation.
This discussion can go both ways:
A) The complicated way, mostly based on speculation, for instance: saying that Samsung or Google cannot handle A-gps protocols, I mean wich SUPL configurations to use, in wich regions, by wich carriers, with wich software and so on....
And: Nokia wants you to use the server "nokia.supl.com" on their phones and Google wants you to use "supl.google.com" on their phones, but how the different carriers, in different regions and the various software are dealing with those configurations? And again how to deal with full a-gps? And why do we have to( see my last post)?
B) The easy way: Just get a external bluetooth gps receiver (with a sifstarIII chipset or better) connect any gps software using "gps bluetooth mouse" or "gps provider" apps to it and get over with it !
I rest my case
P.s.- On my last 6 trips didnt even have to use the external gps, just the internal one...it is doing just fine;
i must have a specially blessed sgs or Holland is just a better place for gps navigation
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betoNL said:
What I can say, eventhough I find OFFLINE software car navigation more reliable (and I always use up-to-date maps) they are not "optimized" to "keep me on the road" as you speculated, is more likely that the full A-gps (SUPL) on the Orange Sanfrancisco/ZTE Blade is better optimized than sgs's but then again that's speculation.
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A-GPS is only necessary for the initial lock and yes, Navigon, iGo et al are optimized to keep the position on the road.
Oletros said:
A-GPS is only necessary for the initial lock and yes, Navigon, iGo et al are optimized to keep the position on the road.
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A simple test is to drive down the road using google maps, then drive back using google navigation. The differance couldn;t be more clear.
They have to be optimised to keep people on the road, if not then there is a problem with google maps, and i doubt that!
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A simple test is to drive down the road using google maps, then drive back using google navigation. The differance couldn;t be more clear.
They have to be optimised to keep people on the road, if not then there is a problem with google maps, and i doubt that!
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Actually, Google maps isn't perfect (if you check the satellite feeds, you'll notice the roads wont always align perfectly) , but anyway, you are correct. Car navigation apps do special work to allow large errors to be made by the GPS without freaking out. That wont work with normal tracks.
Testing consistancy
The problem here is that the testing must be consistent. What is needed is an application to:
1) Create tracks at the highest resolution possible
2) Record speed at many points
3) Maybe have OBD2 integration, so we can match REAL vehicle speed with the track
4) Record the satelites/snr values constantly on the track.
5) Have test scenarios, that takes into account the environment and speed. Because when walking at 1hz, updates of GPS are done every 2-3 meters, but at 100km/h, it's every 28m. We don't even have enough info to know how often updates are done, and some tracks are created by people who are in dense skyscraper ville. We simply can't compare the information at the moment
6) By comparing car tracks to google maps, you could even do some basic GPS benchmark type stuff!
Start with a proper testing procedure, create a means of gathering PROPER information, then we can finally start actually testing how reliable people's phones REALLY is! At the moment, we are simply comparing OPINIONS, because there aren't specific tests to follow. There is nothing scientific about this thread until a process to accurately compare results is created.
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Actually, Google maps isn't perfect (if you check the satellite feeds, you'll notice the roads wont always align perfectly) , but anyway, you are correct. Car navigation apps do special work to allow large errors to be made by the GPS without freaking out. That wont work with normal tracks.
Testing consistancy
The problem here is that the testing must be consistent. What is needed is an application to:
1) Create tracks at the highest resolution possible
2) Record speed at many points
3) Maybe have OBD2 integration, so we can match REAL vehicle speed with the track
4) Record the satelites/snr values constantly on the track.
5) Have test scenarios, that takes into account the environment and speed. Because when walking at 1hz, updates of GPS are done every 2-3 meters, but at 100km/h, it's every 28m. We don't even have enough info to know how often updates are done, and some tracks are created by people who are in dense skyscraper ville. We simply can't compare the information at the moment
6) By comparing car tracks to google maps, you could even do some basic GPS benchmark type stuff!
Start with a proper testing procedure, create a means of gathering PROPER information, then we can finally start actually testing how reliable people's phones REALLY is! At the moment, we are simply comparing OPINIONS, because there aren't specific tests to follow. There is nothing scientific about this thread until a process to accurately compare results is created.
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You raise valid points, but it is unrealistic to expect this kind of controlled testing from an Internet forum.
What I can tell you from personal experience is this: when I run Nexus one with Google Map and SGS with Google Maps at the same time while driving from work to home (or vice versa) the SGS consistently loses lock for about 30% of the route. When I go off the motorway it consistently thinks I am still on the motorway for about 10-20 after I have left it and then needs to reroute. Both the Nexus and SGS are running Android 2.2 and the same version of Google Maps. Nexus One (and an iPhone 4 which I also have) have none of this problems.
The point I tried to make earlier in this thread, admittedly not in the most polite way, is that all the settings discussed here are for AGPS. They only affect the speed of initial lock, not the functioning of the GPS itself. That is why none of the so called "fixes" work for people with non or poor functioning GPS. All that Samsung has done in various ROMs is to tinker with AGPS and also smoothing and predicting of the path while driving; they have not been able to address the underlying issue, which is the inability of the GPS receiver to keep GPS lock.
This can easily be tested by using something like "GPS status" application: it is able to download new GPS assistance data and acquire lock quickly. But if you keep this application running while driving, you will see that the GPS lock is lost many times - at least that is my experience.
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You raise valid points, but it is unrealistic to expect this kind of controlled testing from an Internet forum.
What I can tell you from personal experience is this: when I run Nexus one with Google Map and SGS with Google Maps at the same time while driving from work to home (or vice versa) the SGS consistently loses lock for about 30% of the route. When I go off the motorway it consistently thinks I am still on the motorway for about 10-20 after I have left it and then needs to reroute. Both the Nexus and SGS are running Android 2.2 and the same version of Google Maps. Nexus One (and an iPhone 4 which I also have) have none of this problems.
The point I tried to make earlier in this thread, admittedly not in the most polite way, is that all the settings discussed here are for AGPS. They only affect the speed of initial lock, not the functioning of the GPS itself. That is why none of the so called "fixes" work for people with non or poor functioning GPS. All that Samsung has done in various ROMs is to tinker with AGPS and also smoothing and predicting of the path while driving; they have not been able to address the underlying issue, which is the inability of the GPS receiver to keep GPS lock.
This can easily be tested by using something like "GPS status" application: it is able to download new GPS assistance data and acquire lock quickly. But if you keep this application running while driving, you will see that the GPS lock is lost many times - at least that is my experience.
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When using TrackerBooster, not only the "first fix" is current, but all of them. I know that aGps just helps get it quicker, but how do you explain gettings track with 5% error rate to under 1% for the same track using the same software?
I don't know how this program works, but it does and, in the end, the goal is to use the GPS to what our needs are (mine is mostly to keep jogging tracks, with speed and accuracy as high as possible)
As I explained before, so far I can conclude that all my issues are fixed using trackerbooster. It seems like not all users have this kind of result and hardware (or built date) might affect some units, but many of us had good results with the addition of a GPS booster (of some sort).
Hey, does anyone tried already the new smartwatch from RWatch? There was a project on Pozible - http://www.pozible.com/project/194853
Now it is available on GearBest for ~45$. It is a nice price of a round smartwatch with heart rate monitor, IrDA, IP67 and nice look
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I have found only one video about it, and yes, it is from GearBest as well. Tbh the guy recording it could have done it better, but whatever.
The final look is a little different than rendered, but still looks nice
Currently I am waiting for one piece to be shipped, finger crossed.
https://youtu.be/d5TmX6bipk0
Hello, has anyone received/tried this watch??? I recently get it, and having problems with thw touchscreen response.
I should get it by the end of the week. What problem do You have exactly?
My biggest interest is the heart rate monitor; can it be left in the background with the pedometer to keep track of your heart rate during the day.
Or is it an app you have to specifically open to check.
Also, how is the android app selection, does this only work with the RWatch app, or do we have some other choices as well ?
@John_Edward as far as I searched for it, the app on the watch need to be opened. About the apps - will tell You in couple of hours, because today is the delivery day!
@MarianoRosario I will get it today's evening, You can ask me what You want to know
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@John_Edward as far as I searched for it, the app on the watch need to be opened. About the apps - will tell You in couple of hours, because today is the delivery day!
@MarianoRosario I will get it today's evening, You can ask me what You want to know
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Ok, let´s see what do you think of it. I´m steel having serious troubles with my touchscreen. From time to time it won´t respond to anything, and all of the suden, it start again. (sorry for the bad english...)
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@John_Edward as far as I searched for it, the app on the watch need to be opened. About the apps - will tell You in couple of hours, because today is the delivery day!
@MarianoRosario I will get it today's evening, You can ask me what You want to know
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What do you think for this R11? Touch, app, and sensor, work fine?
First impressions
@MarianoRosario You should respond to seller about it, everything works fine for me with the touch - to be honest that is the only part I am 100% sure that will work when I want it to work
So I guess it is something with Your device. And if You bought it on GearBest they should respond.
@ilrisolutore I must say that touch is really good. I am even capable of choosing the correct number from dialpad at the first try (but ofc I tested it like 15 or 20 times, not something for everyday use for me).
Apps... You have 3 screens with them.
On the first there is message, contacts, recent calls, dialpad, bt settings, media control, remote camera, notifications and stopwatch.
On the second antytheft, power save, sound options, pedometer, compass, face changer (analog or digital), sleep tracker, main settings and date configuration.
On the last one there is alarms, reminder (like if You sit x minutes, You should move), heart sensor, IR remote and language changer.
So. The heart monitor works fine, but is not perfect. It does check Your pulse from almost every part of Your body - it can be on the wrist, it can be finger or leg. The score can be a little different then normal (I found like +- 5 bpm difference). But it does work properly - when You start to work out or run it does show You upper score, when You point it at something that does not live, it shows nothing. But You have to have the app opened to check it, it does not work in the background nor saving the results.
IR remote is great, You need to use Your normal remote to programm it, but after it - really good.
Pedometer is kinda ok. It does have steps + meters score, but it is not that accurate.
Turning on the watch automatically when the hand is rised works like 50/50. But even if, there is a 3-4 sec lag, so You will press the button for sure if You are interested about the time.
Compass works good after calibration.
Alarm is ok, it can vibrate or play some of predefined sounds.
But I have couple of problems with connection. Maybe it is because of MiBand, which I didn't unpair for the time using R11. Will see. But when connected - it works fine, showing up to 5 new notifications. If it is Twitter/Messenger or SMS You can for sure read whole message. And that is cool.
About the battery - when I tested it, using heart monitor, IR, vibration and dis/connecting all the time it handled 5 hours of sleep + 10.5 hours of work. Today after ~9h of work I have 3/5 of battery (but I turned off vibration, since the MiBand vibrates). So I guess it won't stand more then one day.
During the weekend I will try to upload the unboxing, both in Polish and English
After it, I guess at the end of the month, I will upload whole review (probably polish language + english subtitles).
If You have any questions - tell me
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@MarianoRosario You should respond to seller about it, everything works fine for me with the touch - to be honest that is the only part I am 100% sure that will work when I want it to work
So I guess it is something with Your device. And if You bought it on GearBest they should respond.
@ilrisolutore I must say that touch is really good. I am even capable of choosing the correct number from dialpad at the first try (but ofc I tested it like 15 or 20 times, not something for everyday use for me).
Apps... You have 3 screens with them.
On the first there is message, contacts, recent calls, dialpad, bt settings, media control, remote camera, notifications and stopwatch.
On the second antytheft, power save, sound options, pedometer, compass, face changer (analog or digital), sleep tracker, main settings and date configuration.
On the last one there is alarms, reminder (like if You sit x minutes, You should move), heart sensor, IR remote and language changer.
So. The heart monitor works fine, but is not perfect. It does check Your pulse from almost every part of Your body - it can be on the wrist, it can be finger or leg. The score can be a little different then normal (I found like +- 5 bpm difference). But it does work properly - when You start to work out or run it does show You upper score, when You point it at something that does not live, it shows nothing. But You have to have the app opened to check it, it does not work in the background nor saving the results.
IR remote is great, You need to use Your normal remote to programm it, but after it - really good.
Pedometer is kinda ok. It does have steps + meters score, but it is not that accurate.
Turning on the watch automatically when the hand is rised works like 50/50. But even if, there is a 3-4 sec lag, so You will press the button for sure if You are interested about the time.
Compass works good after calibration.
Alarm is ok, it can vibrate or play some of predefined sounds.
But I have couple of problems with connection. Maybe it is because of MiBand, which I didn't unpair for the time using R11. Will see. But when connected - it works fine, showing up to 5 new notifications. If it is Twitter/Messenger or SMS You can for sure read whole message. And that is cool.
About the battery - when I tested it, using heart monitor, IR, vibration and dis/connecting all the time it handled 5 hours of sleep + 10.5 hours of work. Today after ~9h of work I have 3/5 of battery (but I turned off vibration, since the MiBand vibrates). So I guess it won't stand more then one day.
During the weekend I will try to upload the unboxing, both in Polish and English
After it, I guess at the end of the month, I will upload whole review (probably polish language + english subtitles).
If You have any questions - tell me
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Thanks, good response
No.1 Sun S2 Smart Watch it's better then this?
For sure bigger and much more shiny. I think that is a basic question - what is Your taste?
R11 is much more elegant and is a little bit more like a classic normal watch.
If you wanna have a go with some different apps, I've listed a few that could work here.
Even if they don't work would be good to know.
And for battery life, there is a giant difference between true standby and daily use.
The R11 was advertised as having over 100 hours standby (4 days), but no info on screen-on time.
But I'll use my Nexus 7 tablet: Stand by time is roughly 8 days, or 216 hours (18mAh or 0.46%/hour). Screen on, you get 6 hours at 17%/hour.
So for each hour you have the screen on, you lose roughly 37 hours of standby time.
Something similar will happen for the R11.
But hey, as long as it lasts from when you wake up till you go back to bed, does it really matter ?
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Thanks, good response
No.1 Sun S2 Smart Watch it's better then this?
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A really hard question.
The camera on the S2 is useless, the charging dock is really nice, and the body is completely subjective.
The big difference would be the software, but you can't really compare them without actually having both.
If you are deciding between the S2 and R11 and really can't decide, look at your wrist; if it's big, get the S2, if it's small, the R11. And by big I mean gigantic, the S2 is huge.
Hello! Which notifications work on this watch? I use Viber and Facebook Messenger alot. Will Viber work? What about mail syncronisation? I use gmail and my work mail... Thank you for your answer! Greetings from Croatia
@John_Edward I cannot install "MediaTek SmartDevice" - Error 505. And from the other apps only SmartWatch is working correctly (and is recommended by the company itself).
About the time - it is a problem if it not last all day And if somebody want to use it for the alarm or sleep tracker, then it will be also a problem.
@kkranjc7 All notifications. You can choose it in the app and then if the message comes (it can be an e-mail, TT, facebook etc.) it will be displayed on the watch (see example below). Also greetings from Poland I have visited Croatia 2 years ago, great country!
505 basically means you already have an app that steals a certain permission for itself, so no other similar apps can be installed at the same time.
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Oh, good to know, thanks. It is probably because of the app for MiBand, will see.
Also I tried to use the R11 with my BlackBerry Z10, but it is a no go - the watch is seen by BT as an external keyboard. And since there is no option to change the default input method, when the device is connected You cannot input any letters. So the R11 is not for BlackBerry OS.
I need help setting up the TV remote control, I do not have the instruction for setting it up. Can you sent me a link or a copy of the instruction it would be greatly appreciated.
@krambrown You need to have the original remote control. Then enter the 'television' or 'other' section, aim the IrDA from remote control at the IrDA in R11 and press the key You want to program. Repeat for all the buttons.
So e.g. You want to program the on/off button for Your Samsung TV, enter 'television' in R11, take the Samsung remote control and aim at the R11 IrDA. Then press the on/off button on Samsung remote control while pointing at smartwatch. If successful, the R11 will vibrate and highlight next button to program.
Can you write a response for an SMS straight from the watch ?
How about email, whatsapp, hangouts etc ?
Also, one issue that came up for another watch; if you have an sms with an emoji, how does the R11 behave ?
Some watches completely refuse to show any messages with emojis in them.
Hello everyone...
I have preordered my first SmartWatch ever...
I have decided to go with ZeBlaze Thor...
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It looks amazing and what i saw from videos on YouTube, it also works great...
I had to make a decision between Thor and Lemfo Les1...
And Thor looks better to me...
All the same specs except : It says that Thor have Gorila Glass 3 protection, and new samsung sensor for heart rate.
Other specs are :
Processor - MediaTek 6580 1.3GHz / same as Les1
Screen size - 1.4" SuperAmoled / only Amoled in Les1 description
RAM/ROM - 1GB/16GB / sam as Les1
Battery - Some sources say its 450mAh / 350mAh in Les1
It uses nano SIM / supports GSM (850/900/1800/1900MHz) and WCDMA (850/2100MHz)
It also have GPS, BlueTooth 4.0, it weights only 63g...
Price was really nice (99€)
I will make video unboxing and review when it arrives...
Do you guys know some ZeBlaze forum where can i find updates and misc stuff for ZeBlaze SmartWatches?
Cheers!
I ordered mine (mine also first Smart Watch) from GearBest using Expidated Shipping on 30th April 2017. Not yet shipped.
May I know where you ordered from and to which Country.
I was searching for the same information. Maybe it is standalone and syncs with Google Fit.
i have mine now. Nice watch. fast. battery could be better, but if you configure wisely your watch, it lasts!
Did you order from GearBest?
I am from Croatia...
Ordered mine from Banggood...
I got my tracking number... It says that mine Thor was shipped 2 days ago... ( i ordered 4 days ago )
So where can we find some official firmware for our Thor??
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i have mine now. Nice watch. fast. battery could be better, but if you configure wisely your watch, it lasts!
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Well, first i will use it only connected via bluetooth with my Mi5... And later i will try with sim card...
I won't use GPS, and ill try to turn off all things i dont need...
Can we root our Thor and delete all things we dont need?
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So where can we find some official firmware for our Thor??
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I did not find any links for THOR yet.
However there are steps to root a Zeblaze Blitz. Hopefully there will be root as soon as devs get hold of this powerful watch.
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Hello,
I am planning to buy this watch, but have a couple of questions, maybe someone figured it out already.
Can you answer to messages/emails sent to your smartphone, when paired via bluetooth, and no SIM is inserted in the watch itself?
Is it possible to connect it to any other fitness app?
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Hello,
I am planning to buy this watch, but have a couple of questions, maybe someone figured it out already.
Can you answer to messages/emails sent to your smartphone, when paired via bluetooth, and no SIM is inserted in the watch itself?
Is it possible to connect it to any other fitness app?
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Not sure about bluetooth pairing and things you can do when paired...
One thing i don't like is the fact that you can not use Thor for receiving calls - redirecting them from your smartphone via bluetooth...
:/
Anyone knows can we use only 2g network on Thor when sim card is inserted...
If battery won't last too much when 3g is on... i would try using 2g network only for calls...
Ordered my first smartwatch too from Gearbest :victory:
Ordered mine today from Gearbest. An upgrade from my Fifine W9 which I've been using for about 18th months.
Got the watch last week and it looks great and works well. Two issues: 1) it's extremely difficult to open the SIM slot, even with the provided tooling (couldn't so far). 2) It seems pre-prod, the software upgrade tool is a "test" version and some functionality previously available in Blitz are not yet there. How to upgrade?
ATM mine Thore is at the Customs Office... :/
It should arrive to my place this week...
So, guys... Those who got their Thor... Battery time? Without 3g... Most important part
I got mine yesterday. I'll give a quick review:
pros:
-looks good, not huge
-full android play store
-not android wear
-many clock faces
-most apps I wanted were available (play music and stitcher)
-heart rate monitor works
cons:
-battery, 75% after an hour of heavy use (music via bluetooth from wifi and installing apps)
-the companian app is sketchy, requires many excessive permissions (somewhat justified if sending calls, notifications, texts 2-way via phone), is NOT available on the play store, and crashes my nexus 6 requiring a hard reboot when i try to connect
-round screen prevents access to the hamburger menu on many apps
-swipe right is hardwired to android back button, preventing the swiping in of the menu on most apps
-google fit hangs and won't run
-strava won't pick up the heart rate monitor
-can't add multiple google accounts (i email/hangouts/text/google voice from a work g-account, but have all android apps on a personal account)
-doesn't like T-Mobile if SF bay area, sees and connects to the network, doesn't get data down
I got this as an alternative to a Garmin Vivoactive HR. I'm a cyclist that uses a bluetooth power meter. I was looking for a smarter activity tracker that could play music and podcasts. Something that would pair to my powermeter for analyzing racing performance and track training sessions. It does meet my minimum needs. I was a little too hyped on it before I got it, and I do have to say my first impressions are that its a bit of a let down TBH.
it does track heart rate via one app. it does not transmit this information as a Bluetooth heart rate monitor. on most of the clock faces, it reports the last heart rate. unfortunately, it shows this a 0 padded number and the kerning is messed up since rarely do you exceed 200 and there's only room for a narrow character like "1". heart rate is also not offered as a background service for long-term tracking.
the app is super sketchy and attempting to connect crashes my phone worse than any app I have seen. the only way I have gotten out it to just hold my power button for 20 seconds.
try to do an OTA update and it just hangs with the word "test". that's confidence inspiring.
google fit hangs on startup
strava seems to work fine with initial testing, doesn't seem to register the heartrate monitor
I've had several android tv boxes from china and some cheap tablets, so I knew what to expect interface wise, but this guy is barely usable.
The hardware seems capabale. I'm hoping a firmare update or a custom rom will surface for this because its got potential.
Needs:
-data on the go, connecting, seeing 3-4 bars but not getting data is frustrating
-gesture to access hamburger menus
-heartrate background service that's easily toggleable
-heartrate broadcast via bluetooth
-multiple google accounts
I have it on my wrist right now and with everything off it's lasting enough. However the ROM is... too awful. I mean, it's fast and everything but I feel like it could be more optimized and less filled with crappy bloatware.
Is there any scene around the MTK6580M for these things? I would install any rom but the stock rom...
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I have it on my wrist right now and with everything off it's lasting enough. However the ROM is... too awful. I mean, it's fast and everything but I feel like it could be more optimized and less filled with crappy bloatware.
Is there any scene around the MTK6580M for these things? I would install any rom but the stock rom...
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Root the thing and get rit of the bloatware.
How to root it?
Any tips and tricks, and how to manual?
Tnx
I used Kingroot V5.0.5 .After two trys my zeblaze thor was rooted.
I use appfreeze to disable some apps.
I think Kingoroot would work too. I read about some perfomance issues if you root with Kingroot, draining the battery because it's filled with adware (not tested by my side).
Either way it would be nice to have some development on this model like it was done on the Blitz. I think there are a lot of brands with the same hardware around (like the LEMFO LES1 and I think the KW88 having the same MTK6580) which could benefit too
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I used Kingroot V5.0.5 .After two trys my zeblaze thor was rooted.
I use appfreeze to disable some apps.
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Available @ Gearbest for $149.99
So I saw the watch and was intrigued. I'm not expecting greatness, just more so something fun to play with. Has anyone else played with the Kospet Hope? or Optimus Prime? Anyone going to buy the Prime?
Specs:
Processor: MTK6739 1.25GHZ (Quad Core)
Operating System: Android 7.1.1
Display: 1.6" inch IPS LCD 400x400
Memory::32 GB ROM + 3 GB RAM
Battery: 1260 Lithium Polymer Battery
Sensors: Heart Rate Monitor, Pedometer, GPS
Camera(s): 5.0MP (2.0MP software update) Side:8.0MP (5MP software update)
BODY RESISTANCE: IP67 Water Proof
CONNECTIVITY
SIM Slot: Yes Nano SIM GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz WCDMA 900/2100MHz
WIFI: Yes WIFI 802.11b/g/n
NFC: none
Bluetooth: Bluetooth version: V4.0
USB: none
BODY
Size: 28.00 x 5.08 x 1.85 cm
Weight: 0.0830 kg
Casing: Ceramic
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So I've had a couple days to play with it. Here are my thoughts.
1: Mine came with what appears to be a bubble in the glass layers, and some chips in the bezel around the glass.
2: The watch is much lighter than I thought it would be for being so large.
3: Text can be small, but is still quite readable.
4: Things are resized for this watch's screen resolution. (It's Android OS, not Wear OS) When installing an application, some of the options (accept, install, yes, no), barely show up on the screen.
5: Build quality seems on par with the price. It's not "cheap" feeling, but also not "quality."
6: The camera quality is on par with what you'd expect for a camera put into a watch. It records as well as takes still pictures.
7: It's definitely snappier than my TicWatch Pro LTE for menu and most navigation, however there are some times when it doesn't shine as well (like when just trying to log in to my gmail account).
8: Battery life right now with installing apps, usage, screen going on and off, wifi on, bluetooth on, no sim, gps off, I'm at 93% (6 hours of I'd say heavy use with installing apps and setup).
9: The screen is VERY bright, but has the ability to dim it like a phone.
10: There are 11 watch faces built in. Most of the options are quite ugly but also contain some "transformer " looking options (I guess this goes with the "Prime" aspect of it.
11: You can set it to either metric or imperial measurements for your fitness tracking
12: The app that you can download for it is called WiiWatch (No relation to Nintendo I'm sure). It really only just shows your fitness tracking data and has a few settings.
The packaging is interesting, every box has Kospet on it. It comes with a screw driver, as well as additional screw(s), a screen protector, a charger + usb cable. I'd like to add that the usb cable plugging into the charger does not go in all the way, as well as the watch resting on it doesn't always make the best connection.
Current Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/NUMauknhWG6d5m8w5
I've just bought it...
When I get it I can leave some insights if you want.
It's a great watch build quality super, the only thing it's font size on notification and the browser, install setting search and change the font size to large, leave the display size as it's. Good looking watch
duanim said:
It's a great watch build quality super, the only thing it's font size on notification and the browser, install setting search and change the font size to large, leave the display size as it's. Good looking watch
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Have you received it already? Mine says it was shipped today, so it will still take a few weeks I guess.
Is it well synchronized with your phone? Do you receive all the notifications from Messenger and Whatsapp without delays?
You have to share you internet connection in order to have those right? You share it from bluetooth?
Also, how's it in terms of battery life?
Thanks in advance!
I have received it. I didn't wear it for the weekend, and when I came back (after ~50h), it still had 50% of battery left. It gets the notifications via Bluetooth, dismissing them dismisses them only from the watch. I don't know if they are actionable. Then it disconnected and I stopped getting them, but oh well, at least it shows the time.
How do I install Wear OS on this thing? The original software is... ugh. On the watch you have just Android 7, but the phone app is typical Chinese sh*t with no settings and almost no functionality (just to disable some apps form sending notifications, view fitness data, battery level and download watchfaces with no search/sort options ). Doesn't let you configure anything on the watch remotely (and I don't like watch touchscreens that much...)
When I won the battle of enabling google assistant on the watch, and asked it to turn on the lights, it... googled the phrase. Even though it's the same account as I use everywhere else.
DrG0nz0 said:
Have you received it already? Mine says it was shipped today, so it will still take a few weeks I guess.
Is it well synchronized with your phone? Do you receive all the notifications from Messenger and Whatsapp without delays?
You have to share you internet connection in order to have those right? You share it from bluetooth?
Also, how's it in terms of battery life?
Thanks in advance!
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i did return mine because it have some dust debris between the display and i don't like Gear..****. So they don't have the watch anymore in stock, that is what they
said and they will give me the money back loosing expending $10 more in the transaction . so i did decide to buy the Lemfo Lem10 3/32Gb for $125 .
The Prime its pretty build quality and good looking,for me the downside was the resolution 400x400 for 1.6" inches display still the font size too small and for outdoors purpose the IPS display wasn't really good like the Zeblaze Thor Pro 3g Android 5.1, year old device.
Don't install or use the Wiiwatch companion app, instead use Watchdroid app its much better, yes you will get all the notification with more features and everything with Bluetooth connection, don't need for internet sharing. Go to Discouse Fullandroid watch.com and you will find all kinds of information.
duanim said:
i did return mine because it have some dust debris between the display and i don't like Gear..****. So they don't have the watch anymore in stock, that is what they
said and they will give me the money back loosing expending $10 more in the transaction . so i did decide to buy the Lemfo Lem10 3/32Gb for $125 .
The Prime its pretty build quality and good looking,for me the downside was the resolution 400x400 for 1.6" inches display still the font size too small and for outdoors purpose the IPS display wasn't really good like the Zeblaze Thor Pro 3g Android 5.1, year old device.
Don't install or use the Wiiwatch companion app, instead use Watchdroid app its much better, yes you will get all the notification with more features and everything with Bluetooth connection, don't need for internet sharing. Go to Discouse Fullandroid watch.com and you will find all kinds of information.
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Thanks so much for the tips man!!
With all syncronized did you get an estimative on the battery before sending it back?
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Thanks so much for the tips man!!
With all syncronized did you get an estimative on the battery before sending it back?
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no much time to play ,i did return it in 3 days after
I'll be making updates to the original post as I dig in some more.
Just came back from a hol in the states and met this watch on my desk. Nice build quality and as previously mentioned not as light as the size would suggest. Just installing apps on it now. Will get back on how it's going.. I have been using it pretty hevily and i have already drained 60% of power after 5 hours.. Not sure if this is acceptable but i can't keeep my hands off the thing so the display has been on for a fair while each time. Incidently, the battery came 100% charged.
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I'll be making updates to the original post as I dig in some more.
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any new reports from the last days?
A friend of mine already got it in England and he says that if you are using the WatchDroid app also the battery drains a lot!
Also, he says that it keeps disconecting, he needs to open the app on the watch to get all the notifications. Do you relate to any of this?
DrG0nz0 said:
any new reports from the last days?
A friend of mine already got it in England and he says that if you are using the WatchDroid app also the battery drains a lot!
Also, he says that it keeps disconecting, he needs to open the app on the watch to get all the notifications. Do you relate to any of this?
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Not entirely sure this is down to WatchDroid though I have uninstalled it now myself. My battery drain was mainly down to the Wifi adapter being enabled. this has definately been an issue with previous versions of the Kospet watch range and I suspect this may not have changed here. I was down to 50% battery within half a day with Wifi enabled.. Having disasbled it i am easily getting the best part of 2 plus days out of it with moderate use and disabling Wifi when not using it.
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Not entirely sure this is down to WatchDroid though I have uninstalled it now myself. My battery drain was mainly down to the Wifi adapter being enabled. this has definately been an issue with previous versions of the Kospet watch range and I suspect this may not have changed here. I was down to 50% battery within half a day with Wifi enabled.. Having disasbled it i am easily getting the best part of 2 plus days out of it with moderate use and disabling Wifi when not using it.
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We found a solution in this forum:
https://discourse.fullandroidwatch.com/t/the-kospet-prime-official-post/50234/200
Apparently he doesn't "like" to have the WiiWatch and watchdroid on at the same time....once he deactivated all the WiiWatch services it's all good...
I'm still waiting to receive mine, it's been on Amsterdam wearhouse for a couple of days, smoking one out I guess...
Short review after a few days of use - Kospet PRIME
I am advanced user of the smartwatches since the first generation of Galaxy GEAR watch from SAMSUNG (SM-V700) with custom rom (full android)
It would be great to have similar watch with current up-to-date hardware - main request is to keep the camera placement facing outwards (on the body of the watch, not on the belt) to ensure that watch is water tight to 50 meters (at least to allow swimming/snorkeling with it – see Sunto watches for good water tight specs)
For Kospet Prime – Watch is nice but I have following (software) problems:
1. cradle connection sound would be nice to have – for now it is not sure that it is really well connected and charging
2. charging icon is displayed but too short time – please display it for longer or for whole time when watch is connected to the cradle
3. lack of ability to customize buttons (especially down button for camera operation for example
4. lack of configurable default applications screen – by sweeping right – after the list (or “apple style” apps icons) there should be possible to select 6-9 application shortcuts in the screen
5. lack of quick dial contact list (I need to be able to dial quickly to 6 or 9 contacts – activate call on the main phone when watch is in airplane mode, and activate call on the watch with SIM active
6. switching from round to square screen make the menu list invisible (ok after restart)
7. swipe up shall be customizable – instead of default sport application it should be configurable – for example to launch camera
8. temperature on the default watch screen is updated, however with delay (only when weather check is done)
9. video on the main camera is recorded VERTICALLY ???!!! WHY not horizontally ???
10. COMMUNICATION WITH PHONE when with watch in the “airplane mode” but with BT/wifi on - to see incoming calls notifications – who is calling. When (Connected normal big Android phone) phone is ringing – this shall be improved – please start to work with company Lumatic Software - and integrate/optimize well their application “Watch Droid” - in general please be more aware of the real use of the watch – in most cases watch is used WITH close integration with large phone (like Samsung NOTE10+) and all messages from phone shall be displayed on the watch, it should be possible to start phone calls from watch but ON THE PHONE with BT headset connected, so for example when You are riding the bike, there is no need to take big phone out from the pocket- You start the phone call from the watch, and talk over BT headset. Phone functionality in the watch itself is used only from time to time – for example if somebody goes to run or goes to the beach (that is why 5atm water tightness is needed) – just to be able to make quick phone call from the watch, without taking “big” phone on the run. In general – please copy the behavior (and stability ) of the Samsung watches, just keep the camera ..
11. Please allow to disable animation for time display – If somebody want to have quick look – it takes time the watch “stabilize” and shows real time
12. Screen on rising – works with delay – it is not stable for all the time
13. Default setup is missing calculator application.
14. temperature on the default watch screen is updated, however with delay (only when weather check is done)
15. contacts are displayed by first name instead of last name – I did not find the way to switch this setting for last name first
16. For desktop adaptation and functionality – please try to allow configuration as in NOVA LAUNCHER – to be able to set icons as needed, enable swipe actions, etc.
Hardware upgrade requests for “ideal watch”:
- 5 atm water tight – please make such watch really water tight to allow to swim/dive with it
- Cameras shall be placed at 12 hour Instead of 3 and face outwards (same as on SM-V700 Samsung watch) with second camera front facing.
- Camera shall record video in horizontal mode PLEASE!!!!
- Camera quality – please use 5MP camera sensor with good low light quality – there is no need for too many megapixels, but the camera shall offer good quality
- Two more customizable buttons on the left of the watch to launch custom applications quickly
- Wireless charging
- Reliable pulse/ecg measurement
lukasz said:
I am advanced user of the smartwatches since the first generation of Galaxy GEAR watch from SAMSUNG (SM-V700) with custom rom (full android)
It would be great to have similar watch with current up-to-date hardware - main request is to keep the camera placement facing outwards (on the body of the watch, not on the belt) to ensure that watch is water tight to 50 meters (at least to allow swimming/snorkeling with it – see Sunto watches for good water tight specs)
For Kospet Prime – Watch is nice but I have following (software) problems:
1. cradle connection sound would be nice to have – for now it is not sure that it is really well connected and charging
2. charging icon is displayed but too short time – please display it for longer or for whole time when watch is connected to the cradle
3. lack of ability to customize buttons (especially down button for camera operation for example
4. lack of configurable default applications screen – by sweeping right – after the list (or “apple style” apps icons) there should be possible to select 6-9 application shortcuts in the screen
5. lack of quick dial contact list (I need to be able to dial quickly to 6 or 9 contacts – activate call on the main phone when watch is in airplane mode, and activate call on the watch with SIM active
6. switching from round to square screen make the menu list invisible (ok after restart)
7. swipe up shall be customizable – instead of default sport application it should be configurable – for example to launch camera
8. temperature on the default watch screen is updated, however with delay (only when weather check is done)
9. video on the main camera is recorded VERTICALLY ???!!! WHY not horizontally ???
10. COMMUNICATION WITH PHONE when with watch in the “airplane mode” but with BT/wifi on - to see incoming calls notifications – who is calling. When (Connected normal big Android phone) phone is ringing – this shall be improved – please start to work with company Lumatic Software - and integrate/optimize well their application “Watch Droid” - in general please be more aware of the real use of the watch – in most cases watch is used WITH close integration with large phone (like Samsung NOTE10+) and all messages from phone shall be displayed on the watch, it should be possible to start phone calls from watch but ON THE PHONE with BT headset connected, so for example when You are riding the bike, there is no need to take big phone out from the pocket- You start the phone call from the watch, and talk over BT headset. Phone functionality in the watch itself is used only from time to time – for example if somebody goes to run or goes to the beach (that is why 5atm water tightness is needed) – just to be able to make quick phone call from the watch, without taking “big” phone on the run. In general – please copy the behavior (and stability ) of the Samsung watches, just keep the camera ..
11. Please allow to disable animation for time display – If somebody want to have quick look – it takes time the watch “stabilize” and shows real time
12. Screen on rising – works with delay – it is not stable for all the time
13. Default setup is missing calculator application.
14. temperature on the default watch screen is updated, however with delay (only when weather check is done)
15. contacts are displayed by first name instead of last name – I did not find the way to switch this setting for last name first
16. For desktop adaptation and functionality – please try to allow configuration as in NOVA LAUNCHER – to be able to set icons as needed, enable swipe actions, etc.
Hardware upgrade requests for “ideal watch”:
- 5 atm water tight – please make such watch really water tight to allow to swim/dive with it
- Cameras shall be placed at 12 hour Instead of 3 and face outwards (same as on SM-V700 Samsung watch) with second camera front facing.
- Camera shall record video in horizontal mode PLEASE!!!!
- Camera quality – please use 5MP camera sensor with good low light quality – there is no need for too many megapixels, but the camera shall offer good quality
- Two more customizable buttons on the left of the watch to launch custom applications quickly
- Wireless charging
- Reliable pulse/ecg measurement
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Thanks for the updates!!
From what I could gather, most of your problems can be solved if you install WatchDroid instead of WiiWatch and also put on a launcher (can't remember the name now). Don't forget that this is a fully-fledged android so we can tweak around all we want...
DrG0nz0 said:
Thanks for the updates!!
From what I could gather, most of your problems can be solved if you install WatchDroid instead of WiiWatch and also put on a launcher (can't remember the name now). Don't forget that this is a fully-fledged android so we can tweak around all we want...
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its going to be two years until we get something like that, i wish and we hope
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duanim said:
its going to be two years until we get something like that, i wish and we hope
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I am already waiting 5 years since SM-V700 Galaxy gear watch... but I do not think that it will take that long right now - in fact it is jut the redesign of the watch case to move the camera to the top of the watch, and I hope that this new chassis will also be redesigned to feature 5atm water tightness. The rest of the watch is quite good - battery capacity in PRIME is 4 times!!! the capacity of SM-V700 (1260 vs 315 mAh) I have made custom setup for the watch and thanks to Watch Droid application in the v9.1.19.9 version (previous than the version available now in Playstore) it is possible to integrate watch with the android phone quite well.
I will try to publish YT video about it.
Are there any other forums I can check out for help with this watch? Anyone got a recommendation of companion app other than Wii Watch (utter toilet) or Watch Droid (flaky at best)
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Are there any other forums I can check out for help with this watch? Anyone got a recommendation of companion app other than Wii Watch (utter toilet) or Watch Droid (flaky at best)
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full android smartwatch
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full android smartwatch
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Please have a look what options KOSPET PRIME brings us after advanced setup - see my video at https://youtu.be/fdvKLo_uAhs