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YES! I've used the search until my head started to spin and got no real answer to this.
I've read and read about the "Knox thing" and that it trips the flag, and so did it on my phone when I did an upgrade.
How how does tripping the Knox affect my phone?
In what way does it change it?
I know, you have no warranty, but that is always a risk you have to take with any phone/hacking. That is my decision to take.
But any REAL implications? I tried to read and read up about it and I don't see the "thing" with it?
I read and read posts about how to not trip it so I really wonder if it does something that affects the phone in a negative sense?
Does it hinder me to have root and load custom roms?
Does it hinder me in side-loading things?
What does this damn flag really do with the phone???
I read that I can't downgrade my roms from 4.2.2 to an older version but then, why should I?
I want the newest, coolest, best roms that I can get here by the amazing devs!
When I had my HTC One X I had to register on HTC-Dev to get a key to unlock the phone, so I knew what I was doing.
I was breaking the warranty and I was willingly doing that because I wanted to have custom roms.
I like to hack around and I soft-bricked more phones and times then I can remember.
In the Samsung world there is/was the Triangle away since Samsung has the counter for how many times you flashed
(but it doesn't seem to affect the phone in anyway, as far as I have read or does it?). So you might have been a bit spoiled
If this is "just" about warranty then I read that some tripped it with a normal Kies upgrade so I doesn't seem perfect.
Please, enlighten me. I can't find any good answers on this.
As a matter of fact I actually will get a new S4 soon and I'm very curious what firmware it will contain?
And this is why - Off-topic (I tend to be that).
I got a post-anesthetic amnesia after a surgery. What they told me was that I tried to start up my phone but it didn't want too (BAD Foxdoggie! )
so I threw it in the wall 2 times and then I broke it in half when they forbid me to throw it anymore.
No recollection at all, but I wish I had since breaking a phone in 2 parts isn't something you do every day
The insurance company wanted me to send in the phone for repairs and it was in at least 512 parts.
Was quite fun to go to the store and ask them to send it to service. :laugh:
Btw, keep away from the glass if it breaks! It gets razor sharp. The next day I have to pull out micro-parts from my hands that was lodged in the skin and my hands was cut all over, but then I'm good with a scalpel
So again, can someone please explain to me the negative implications of Knox?
If there are anything that will make my phone function in worse way I will make a formal complaint to Samsung here in Sweden since
I didn't buy a car to find that after a routine service, suddenly had the speed limited to 70 km/h...
I talked to my phone-company and they didn't knew what Knox was? AT ALL.
He just told me to use Triangle Away if it would break (or the same if I would jail-break my iPhone)!
So you even get instructions on what to do to make it "look" ok from your own provider since they are so well aware that people hack/root their phones.
Someone said in a post that only 1% root/jailbreak. I call that bull. But I think that more people jailbreak their iPhones then root their Androids.
But 1%? Just the fact that your cell-provider informs you how to "restore" your phone (and even asked me what rom I'm using!?!).
So maybe hard-core freaks are 1% but "normal" rooters/jailbreakers are way way way more.
It's the same with internet. Right now I have 500 Mbit and do the provider REALLY think I use that to browse Facebook faster?
So they all play a double game. At least in Sweden but I think that is quite universal?
This is my first Samsung. I'm a HTC-guy and if this Knox hinders me while other companies open up theirs instead, it will be my last.
I got a great deal on this phone and thought that since Samsung has the largest base it would be nice to see the awsome devs here.
And WOW. I was not wrong
Btw, Foxie, I love your rom, but it's just not post-surgery safe. You should add that as a warning
/Absie
Cool story bro
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Did you not spot the KNOX sticky? All questions and answers to your questions in there.
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Did you not spot the KNOX sticky? All questions and answers to your questions in there.
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Yes, I have. It's kind of messy and is still not answering the my question.
Yes, I have read the Samsung page. I'll continue in the "real thread".
I just want to know.
Can I flash roms, can I gain root, can I load apps like before? I don't give a duck about the corp stuff. I just want to continue to flash my device and be happy with it
/Absie
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Yes, I have. It's kind of messy and is still not answering the my question.
Yes, I have read the Samsung page. I'll continue in the "real thread".
I just want to know.
Can I flash roms, can I gain root, can I load apps like before? I don't give a duck about the corp stuff. I just want to continue to flash my device and be happy with it
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well as far as i know you can do all that as long as you don't care about the warranty, but root apps might nor work as they should(or may not work at all).
i could be wrong about all this
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Did you not spot the KNOX sticky? All questions and answers to your questions in there.
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well as far as i know you can do all that as long as you don't care about the warranty, but root apps might nor work as they should(or may not work at all).
i could be wrong about all this
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I just continued here to avoid comments about my sight... :cyclops:
(I did, didn't had a clear answer. Asked here. Wooboo. Will never do that again. Promise. )
KNOX is a security feature enabled by Samsung for corporate things. Does a normal end user need it probably not and should be an option. However Samsugn decided to roll it out to all phones regardless.
If you have a KNOX enabled handset, you can do as you please, root, install custom recovery, flash roms, flash kernels, however it will disable KNOX and will set the KNOX couneter to 0x1, once this is done you can not reverse it.
As an effect to warranty, it's probably country dependent. There is a warranty thread, some users have sent their phones in once KNOX has been tripped and phones have been repaired.
Hey guys,
I'm picking up my Note 3 on Tuesday. Gonna stay on the stock firmware out of the box, no OTAs will be allowed. Gonna root with Kingo. I dont wanna mess with recoveries or anything other than disabling software update to prevent kitkat from being pushed. I realize it could be an advantage however as I could then in the future use the 4.4.2 update as a type of recovery image, if I need to send it in for service or sell it. I know about sammobile and all other "offical" stock tars floating around but they arent really from Samsung. They dont even release recovery images for the dev edition! Kingo wont trip knox and I wont be modifying any system apps (I may even opt with using a permission denying app to block SDM from having network access, instead of freezing it, as it's less aggressive). I will make an ADB backup pre-root and restore it before updating as well.
If the time comes I could use Kingo or Superuser to unroot, wanam to fake the status as offical, adb restore and have the samsung experience store guys flash kitkat or use the OTA which, assuredly, would remove any and all traces of root. Sounds divine.
So will the update process, whether from the Samsung guys or OTA brick my phone if I do it? I should have everything removed by doing it this way. I don't like the idea of messing with all these different recovery tars as they arent 100% official. Just wanna make sure the Sammy update wont brick it, because it knows, somehow.
I'm in the same boat though worse off than you since I don't know how to do an adb backup. Sounds to me like Kitkat sucks and I just want to stay stock mje and block updates.
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There is nothing in the kitkat update that's essential. I know because I have it on my Nexus 10 and I wish I didn't. Rooted with SDM and bloat frozen. Will not update until they give me a really good reason to.
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Yeah I agree with everything here. Kitkat totally sucks and I'm gonna stay on 4.3 for the duration of my phones life. But my question is, are we able, after rooting, to update officially to kitkat, be it an OTA or going to a samsung store and having them flash (without bricking it). I'm asking because I think it'd be a flawless way of reverting "back" (forward actually, from 4.3) to a genuine Samsung system after root. This would solve warranty worries or selling the device as rooted problems. The update would serve as a recovery image or the ultimate unrooting tool.
Just curious if it will brick the phone if done. If I need warranty service or to sell it, I dont want to go the sammobile odin route or any of the other "official" tars, because they're not 100% genuine. If we don't modify the stock rom and can use something like wanam to fake the sytem status and Knox isnt tripped, why would it not take the update perfectly? All this caution, an ADB pre-root restore and I'm pretty sure/hoping it would work wonderfully to get to a genuine samsung status, post root, for selling or service needs. Just need some clarification if it would actually work or bork the phone with an "unauthorize software detected" screen.
If kingo unroot works just unroot then accept the update no?
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If kingo unroot works just unroot then accept the update no?
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It'd be nice but from what I understand the update does some kind of checking to see how/what you modified. Kingo doesnt trip knox but any root with change the system status as "modified" instead of "official", which could interfere with updates. There is a well kown "unauthorized software detected" sign that comes up sometimes after update attempts. Not sure what triggers it though. Unrooting via Kingo doesnt nessisarily remove 100% of the root. This is what we'd use the KitKat update for, unless, it bricks it somehow because it's able to detect that you once rooted. But if you were cautious, didnt mod much, didnt mess with system files, did an adb restore and faked the system status with wanam, it's plausible to think you could accept an update afterwords without issues. But also, Im not sure if wanam will be able to fake the status after you unroot...
I don't want to take the update. I will disable the updater files once rooted. otherwise, i remain stock. when the time comes reenable updater files and immediately run kingo unroot. presto, all mods gone. now accept update. that wont work?
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I don't want to take the update. I will disable the updater files once rooted. otherwise, i remain stock. when the time comes reenable updater files and immediately run kingo unroot. presto, all mods gone. now accept update. that wont work?
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This is what I'm trying to ascertain. I've read things that the unroot via kingo doesnt actually remove the binaries, it only unsinstalls superuser. There still might be some traces of it on there, and the update will see this and youll get this message after boot, post update: (a verizon induced soft brick for having a modified system before update)
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Kingo even told me via their facebook when I asked about it, "There is a big chance that you cannot update your device via OTA. Rooting means you tampered your device. Even your KNOX stays un-triggered, you device status will turn from "official" to "custom". If you wanna back to the "official", you should use kies/Odin to flash back the stock ROM," which is not what I want, seeing as how the firmware from sammobile and others like it arent 100% genuine from Sammy. When you unroot, it will still say modified system, even if knox isnt tripped. The updates check this. You can use wanam to "fake system status" but if you unroot first, you lose wanam functionality and if you update when you're still rooted theres no way itll take.
Just trying to hash it out as it'd be the perfect way to restore to official stock, if need be. Not having the ability makes it pretty scary to do on a phone I paid $750 for. So we're between a rock and a kitkat. I really dont want that ****ty update either. But not having a sure fire way back, it sucks.
Does anybody know about using a samsung store to update from 4.3 to 4.4.2 after unrooting? I'm assuming they use Odin to flash and actually have the official firmwares. I'd feel better about going about it that way because so far I see a lot of warnings about OTA's (even after "unrooting"). Curious if that way would work without soft bricking your phone with the verizon warning.
Thanks for the 411. I also paid full price for my note 3 but I never intend to sell it. It will be a great wifi tablet. I'm always disappointed with value of smartphones after a year of use.
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Thanks for the 411. I also paid full price for my note 3 but I never intend to sell it. It will be a great wifi tablet. I'm always disappointed with value of smartphones after a year of use.
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No problem. I don't worry so much about selling it, I can sell it on Swappa as they dont care about root. But for warranty purposes, it sucks. If something happens and we have to send it back and they find that it's been rooted or modified, they will not service it. It'd just be nice to have this card to play in order to get it back to a "trustworthy" genuine firmware. I'll insure mine though so yeah, spare wifi tablet I suppose. Just sucks the replacement will more than likely be refurbished.
Yeah, it's a great phone though. Are you gonna take any updates for it before rooting (not ****kat, obviously), or gonna root it out of the box (MJ9 software, I believe)? Just curious. I just don't trust Samsung's updates any more.
I never planned to root. I'm in mje latest update. I don't trust Kingo nor Vroot. That is why I never rooted. Kitkat sounds so horrible I feel compelled to root but I still don't trust available exploits. Like you said, a rock and a hard place... Just like a new NBA coach trying to make his bones yet score a good draft pick. LOL
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Getting a note 3 tomorrow.
Why does everybody hate the kitkat update so much?
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Getting a note 3 tomorrow.
Why does everybody hate the kitkat update so much?
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Ruins easy access to SD card for one thing. S pen problems, some apps don't work etc.
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Ruins easy access to SD card for one thing. S pen problems, some apps don't work etc.
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hahahahah!!! Stevens will be a great coach in a few years. Doc is a very very bad man. Hopefully we land Wiggins (or Parker). I'm on the fence about rooting too but from what I can tell Kingo is legit and worked for many people. the questiom is why dont they monitize it? thats scary to me.
So do you just deal with the software update popup by continually pressing home or back? if you defer it, after 4 times it installs on its own. same thing with rejecting it. I cant believe they don't give us control over our phones updstes (without rooting)! Hopefuly Verizon wont get it for a while.
There's a confirmed battery bug for kitkat ( on the nexus 5 atleast), the sd issue, a litany of instability, potentially, and the biggest deal with it: it breaks free wifi tethering and supposedly there will never be a way for developers to get arpund it. Yeah: I realllllyyy don't want that "update". If it aint broke...you know.
I don't know what I'll do yet. Sd card handling is an integral part of Kitkat and vzw won't improve it. Once the first announcement of imminent update occurs I will have to decide what to do.
I'm rooting for Celtics losses and I wish Ainje traded Rondo. I think we need a new team. I don't think Rondo will be a great influence on a young team.
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I don't know what I'll do yet. Sd card handling is an integral part of Kitkat and vzw won't improve it. Once the first announcement of imminent update occurs I will have to decide what to do.
I'm rooting for Celtics losses and I wish Ainje traded Rondo. I think we need a new team. I don't think Rondo will be a great influence on a young team.
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HAhahahaha, I'm wiith you on all pages man. I would've stayed with my II but 4.3 is horrible on it and I'm really interested in the new Gear 2 watch which requires 4.3. Ironically 4.1.2 works like a BEAST on it but it wont support the gear 2. Samsung is fully turning into apple. If you do decide to root or find another way around the software updates, please let me know. I'll do the same for you. Kingo is one of the only ones that doesnt trip Knox but it's all but worthless if we cant get the system status back to "official" or get the kitkat update to install. Such a headache. Be careful with that software update popup, it's super consistent. Such a crazy way to have to use a flagship device. Most every time you press home, it pops back up. I found out that you can disable google services framework and that will prevent the update, but you also loose gmail, google play, you tube, maps and any other google app. Unbelievable.
There needs to be more NBA talk on XDA, lol. Danny has long since worn out his welcome. Still cant believe how he treated Pierce. I agree with the Rondo sentiment, wholeheartedly. His stock is falling as his athleticism fades as well. We need to blow up the team basically. I hope we resign AB, but I wont be shocked if he walks. We'll never get rid of Wallace's contract. Sully can be really good if he keeps healthy and developing. I used to love Green but now...I think we should deal him NOW. He clearly cant handle having the reigns and he takes way too many threes. Ironically enough Gerald Green is killing it for Phoenix right now?! Hoping for those ping pong balls too man. Hopefully we dont get screwed in the draft.
I'll keep you posted if I find anything.
Cheers--
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There is nothing in the kitkat update that's essential. I know because I have it on my Nexus 10 and I wish I didn't. Rooted with SDM and bloat frozen. Will not update until they give me a really good reason to.
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tablet and phone are 2 different things. Also each phone and tablet are not getting the exact kit kat. little things different but not the same action
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tablet and phone are 2 different things. Also each phone and tablet are not getting the exact kit kat. little things different but not the same action
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So you're not hesitant to update to kitkat on your note? If not, can I ask what features of enhancements in it make you wish to update to it? it is confirmed that sd write access for 3rd party apps and free wifi tethering apps have disabled, for some thats a big deal. If it's anything like other updates it has the potential to cripple the phones battery life and performance. 4.3 ruined my note 2 and the replacement 2 as well, losing around 2 hours of battery life on each. I'm hesitant to trust them again. With every update it seems things get worse, not better. and I cant see any huge features that would make me wanna jump from 4.3.
Hello, S5 folks! I've been using the S5 for a while, now, and really like it. I came through the Exhibit 4G and the Galaxy Light, so needless to say this phone is quite powerful. One thing I did like, though, about the other phones was that one of the devs put together a custom splash screen of a skull and crossbones andy. It was black with a faded green design and it looked really, really cool. Much better than t-mobile advertising themselves. Is there anything like that already done for the S5? A quick search for s 5 splash screens didn't yield much. Thank you very much.
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Being proud to be a noob means your proud to be ignorant and lazy. Congrats m8
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Hello, S5 folks! I've been using the S5 for a while, now, and really like it. I came through the Exhibit 4G and the Galaxy Light, so needless to say this phone is quite powerful. One thing I did like, though, about the other phones was that one of the devs put together a custom splash screen of a skull and crossbones andy. It was black with a faded green design and it looked really, really cool. Much better than t-mobile advertising themselves. Is there anything like that already done for the S5? A quick search for s 5 splash screens didn't yield much. Thank you very much.
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My understanding of noob means only that I am new to the rooting community. Ignorant, maybe, but only because of lack of experience. The term says nothing about intelligence or laziness, to me. But, thank you for the kind welcome to the S5 group.
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Ignore him fella.......he's not happy unless he's flamed someone at least once every day........
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Ignore him fella.....check his profile....he's not happy unless he's flamed someone at least one time every day........
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I was planning to, but thanks. Actually, i made a Noob/lazy mistake and messed with my kernel without making a nandroid. Now, even though i did a data reset, i get an error saying the kernel is bad. I'm thinking i can just flash a new kernel to the reset phone. Will that work?
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You *could* try, it probably won't hurt.....
But make sure you get a kernel that is compatible with the version of Android on your phone (one of the easiest mistakes to make)......
If it doesn't work, you may end up having to go back to stock (via Odin) or flashing a full ROM via recovery (if it's accessible)........
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And with regards to your initial question, look in themes and apps for custom flashable splash screens, and see if there's a way to replace the included image with your skull and crossbones Andy. ........
It'll involve (at the very least) unpacking the Zip, replacing the included image with the (correctly re-sized) image you want and re - packing then flashing.......
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Going back to stock is a fine option, at this point. I feel kind of like a baby with a loaded gun, playing with a rooted phone. Maybe, once i get another phone to be my dd, i can root and play with the s5. Until then, though, i might just leave it stock. Did not know Odin could take it back to stock. I'll read up on that. Thank you and I'll play with the splash screen advice once i root, again.
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Just being rooted isn't dangerous, SuperSU will popup with a prompt for anything requesting root access, which you have to approve before it can do anything
If you use a PC, you are already using a rooted device, you have root access to the system files from first boot, unless you do something stupid, it causes no problems right?
For me root is a must, blocking ads
Not only that, but even if you mess it up, ODIN can recover the phone back to the way it was when you bought it
Being rooted isn't dangerous in your hands. My s5 was rooted for two days before i screwed it up by not making a nandroid before messing with it. Rookie mistake. If this is my play phone, fine. It's my work phone, though. I need it working.
It's alive. Kies got me sorted. Took over an hour, but that's a small price to pay. It's on 5.1.1, too. And the rooting method is stored on the sd card.
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Well yea, messing with it is the dangerous part, not being rooted
But the same applies to Windows, it's gonna run fine unless you mess with system files, do something stupid
If you don't know what you're doing with root, don't mess with it, just install apps you know you can trust that require root, like adaway, greenify etc
True.....that's what I've done to my S5......
Rooted it, frozen OTA,s Installed root access apps (Adaway, Viper4Android, root explorer and Titanium Backup) got rid of some bloatware and flashed some xposed modules......
Quite happy with that......don't need anything else.
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For Root apps, I've got Adaway, Greenify, ES File Explorer with root enabled, TWRP Manager to enable write access to SDCard so I can write to it via FTP server / FileZilla client, WiFi Kill to have fun at others expense, ROM Toolbox Pro, SDMaid, Busybox
And the only system file manual editing Ive done, is build.prop to fix it not saving WiFi passwords after a reboot
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Ignore him fella.......he's not happy unless he's flamed someone at least once every day........
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I'm not happy as long as there's google, forum search, stickied all in one threads, forum sections etc all to make life easy for newcomers and pros alike but some proud noobs still insist on wanting to be spoonfed and literally can't look two centimeters further on their screens. That's all it usually takes. Ooh what's this? An all in one thread? And that one says post all questions in q&a? Nah that ain't for me. I'm just gonna post a basic question right in the general section just like that. Aw ye . This does indeed make me unhappy
Fyi I'm not even angry or flaming right now. Just sharing some thoughts :angel:
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I'm not happy as long as there's google, forum search, stickied all in one threads, forum sections etc all to make life easy for newcomers and pros alike but some proud noobs still insist on wanting to be spoonfed and literally can't look two centimeters further on their screens. That's all it usually takes. Ooh what's this? An all in one thread? And that one says post all questions in q&a? Nah that ain't for me. I'm just gonna post a basic question right in the general section just like that. Aw ye . This does indeed make me unhappy
Fyi I'm not even angry or flaming right now. Just sharing some thoughts :angel:
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It's no worries. The thread has been relocated to Q&A, where it should have been posted, in the first place. I apologize for posting in the improper thread. It's been a long time since I posted on xda. I have been a long-time member of the Galaxy Exhibit 4G forum, and the name comes from when I started there. Regardless, I'm stock for now. I just read up on these threads because I want to catch back up on development.
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Just got a software update. I wonder what has changed or improved.
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Not sure. But bootloader is still locked with this, and experts are recommending to hold off on install if you plan on trying to root the device (in case a root exploit is found for the original software version). Remember, once you flash a new software, you cannot go back.
Seems to fix static over bluetooth, at least for me. Persisting with cabled headphones, though.
I noticed that it re-enables the things you have disabled with Package Disabler Pro.
Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
How do you disable automatic updates ?
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I just did the update, TOOK FOREVER IT SEEMED....but I am very impatient. Afterwards, it seems that things are smoother and faster, but it could just be the placebo effect. I will be watching battery life today and see if it improves.
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Not sure. But bootloader is still locked with this, and experts are recommending to hold off on install if you plan on trying to root the device (in case a root exploit is found for the original software version). Remember, once you flash a new software, you cannot go back.
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Lucky for my, I don't root or anything like that. I'm kind of ocd I like things to be the way they are supposed to be. I tried it once and hated it.
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Not sure. But bootloader is still locked with this, and experts are recommending to hold off on install if you plan on trying to root the device (in case a root exploit is found for the original software version). Remember, once you flash a new software, you cannot go back.
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Although I do believe that Samsung should unlock the bootloader and let people make their own choice about their phone. They just need to make it very clear that if you modify your phone your warranty is voided and your on your own. Sad part is some people will go out there and start playing with stuff and not know what they are doing and then want to blame Samsung when the phone gets messed up.
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My next phone im not rooting
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Although I do believe that Samsung should unlock the bootloader and let people make their own choice about their phone. They just need to make it very clear that if you modify your phone your warranty is voided and your on your own. Sad part is some people will go out there and start playing with stuff and not know what they are doing and then want to blame Samsung when the phone gets messed up.
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I think they've made it abundantly clear that flashing unsigned firmware voids the warranty. And Samsung can then refurb the phone and resell it. The Knox flag effectively protects Samsung from any liability regarding this sort of thing. Making it impossible to "downgrade" to previous software versions, a practice Samsung started a few years ago, was a bad omen. The dawn of the Knox flag added to this downward spiral. Locking the bootloader is a level of control unprecedented for carriers like T Mobile and Sprint, and continues the evolution of Samsung's security deathgrip.
Popped up when I unlocked my phone this morning. It's installing now will play around with it .
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My next phone im not rooting
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then you have nothing to worry about, it is a great phone.
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I "chatted" with T Mobile support around 8:30 am today, they had no idea this update was live. Apparently their databases have not updated.
Probably a good idea to hold off on this for now. What if they find an exploit that lets us root but only for the previous version? This is becoming a lot like iPhone jailbreaking... that's why I switched to this S7 Edge lol. I should have read more about it first.
slayerh4x said:
Probably a good idea to hold off on this for now. What if they find an exploit that lets us root but only for the previous version? This is becoming a lot like iPhone jailbreaking... that's why I switched to this S7 Edge lol. I should have read more about it first.
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Samsung devices on T Mobile have always had unlocked bootloaders (as long as I can remember anyhow), this was a huge surprise for everybody.
It's also not the March security update as its still flagged as Feb 1
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Just rebooted after installing the update. Got a pop-up saying:
"The operating system on your device has been modified in an unauthorized way. Try downloading software updates using Smart Switch on your computer or visit a customer service center"
I haven't modified anything. I haven't even disabled packages. There is obviously no root so I haven't done that either. Weird. Will try a factory restore.
Edit: This was happening after I attempted to check for updates after this mornings update installed. Checked for update again after a 2nd restart and message no longer comes up.
Dr. Fed said:
Samsung devices on T Mobile have always had unlocked bootloaders (as long as I can remember anyhow), this was a huge surprise for everybody.
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Yeah it does seem that way. It really sucks, rooting the phone was one of the big reasons I wanted to switch over. I hope someone is able to find an exploit that allows root. I had android a long time ago and ran Cyanogen mod, that thing was cool. It took the super slow stock LG G1 or whatever it was and made it really fast. I would pay for that on this phone, it has so much potential.
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I think they've made it abundantly clear that flashing unsigned firmware voids the warranty. And Samsung can then refurb the phone and resell it. The Knox flag effectively protects Samsung from any liability regarding this sort of thing. Making it impossible to "downgrade" to previous software versions, a practice Samsung started a few years ago, was a bad omen. The dawn of the Knox flag added to this downward spiral. Locking the bootloader is a level of control unprecedented for carriers like T Mobile and Sprint, and continues the evolution of Samsung's security deathgrip.
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The only issue I have with modding phones is that sometimes when buying used phones the seller doesn't tend to inform the buyer if something is wrong. I bought a phone a few years ago on At&t and realized later that it had Internet but could not make calls out. Apparently the last owner flashed something and messed it up. I ended up selling it for cheap, luckily it worked out for the buyer because the phone would not make calls on At&t but would on T-Mobile and he had T-Mobile.
There should be a bootloader unlocking tool that will let you forfeit all your claiming rights but also put you on a list by you imei number that can tell potential buyer your phone has been modified. While you may wont to modify it I wouldn't wont any of your problems. Worst of all is when you hear there is an update for your phone but you cant get it because your phone was modded with out your knowledge when purchasing.
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idtheftvictim said:
I just did the update, TOOK FOREVER IT SEEMED....but I am very impatient. Afterwards, it seems that things are smoother and faster, but it could just be the placebo effect. I will be watching battery life today and see if it improves.
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I actually don't think its a placebo effect. Could be wrong. On restart, it was much quicker to get to a usable state. The micro stutters I was having seem to be gone. Things are opening quicker as well.
A welcomed update, I have installed on my phone and will see if it improves my battery life which has not been too good.
so yeah i got my s8 today i'm willing to be a tester for custom rom i want to root mine now so any dev hit me up please
It isn't globally released yet... Be patient
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kevje1406 said:
It isn't globally released yet... Be patient
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it is for me i got mine today i got mine early pre order
This is not a requests/discussion subforum, this is the development subforum.
Skander1998 said:
This is not a requests/discussion subforum, this is the development subforum.
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exactly why i asked about it so we can get it to root get all the devs together
I don't think the USA version will get root for months
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looks like i'm going with exynos version again
If you root, S health (spo2, heart rate meter), secure storage and probably more things stop working for forever if you trip knox. Be very carful friend. Sad days will be ahead if your too brash.
SyLvEsTeR20007 said:
If you root, S health (spo2, heart rate meter), secure storage and probably more things stop working for forever if you trip knox. Be very carful friend. Sad days will be ahead if your too brash.
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Don't know about the rest but my S7 Edge is rooted (and Knox tripped) and S Health works fine so far as I am aware.
xxmcvapourxx said:
so yeah i got my s8 today i'm willing to be a tester for custom rom i want to root mine now so any dev hit me up please
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There's a 95% chance this phone won't see root in the 1st year.
Syn Ack said:
There's a 95% chance this phone won't see root in the 1st year.
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we will if someone can get me the recovery and firmware and i start looking and start testing it hopefully some devs when they get s8 they can help out...
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There's a 95% chance this phone won't see root in the 1st year.
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Sure it does. Altough the exynos version ( wich i have ?)
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SyLvEsTeR20007 said:
If you root, S health (spo2, heart rate meter), secure storage and probably more things stop working for forever if you trip knox. Be very carful friend. Sad days will be ahead if your too brash.
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That's bull****. I am rooted running echoerom s8 port. Knox working s health working and samsung pay working and safetynet passed. Do your homework and get your facts straight
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SyLvEsTeR20007 said:
If you root, S health (spo2, heart rate meter), secure storage and probably more things stop working for forever if you trip knox. Be very carful friend. Sad days will be ahead if your too brash.
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I for one could care less about S Health and Knox. On my previous Samsung devices those are the first things to get removed once I get root. :laugh:
xxmcvapourxx said:
we will if someone can get me the recovery and firmware and i start looking and start testing it hopefully some devs when they get s8 they can help out...
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It doesn't work that easily...
Someone has to discover an exploit or they crack the bootloader. The way you're talking about, cracking the bootloader and loading a custom rooted ROM through recovery, on North American Galaxy devices might as well be a pipe dream. And finding an exploit and rooting the stock ROM usually takes months or years. Every release of Android (especially Samsung versions) makes it harder to exploit.
Someone could get lucky but extremely unlikely.
Syn Ack said:
It doesn't work that easily...
Someone has to discover an exploit or they crack the bootloader. The way you're talking about, cracking the bootloader and loading a custom rooted ROM through recovery, on North American Galaxy devices might as well be a pipe dream. And finding an exploit and rooting the stock ROM usually takes months or years. Every release of Android (especially Samsung versions) makes it harder to exploit.
Someone could get lucky but extremely unlikely.
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i dont care about usa phones, I'm very good at finding exploits i've moved across from the ps3/ps4 scene so it be interesting to see what the s8 exploits are like...Uk ftw...
aggieranch said:
I for one could care less about S Health and Knox. On my previous Samsung devices those are the first things to get removed once I get root. :laugh:
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Good for you, once it's gone, it's gone. No turning back, plus your resale value is worthless too.
Not every one wants that result after rooting it. Your life but I warn for those people who are not aware of what's at stake.
Bah- nothing is at stake. Name 1 warranty claim that was denied because of root. ONE. I've been on these boards since Android 1.x. I have yet to see anyone denied a warranty claim because their phone was rooted.
Dropped, water damage, stolen, etc. - sure. But not due to software. Stop the FUD.
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Bah- nothing is at stake. Name 1 warranty claim that was denied because of root. ONE. I've been on these boards since Android 1.x. I have yet to see anyone denied a warranty claim because their phone was rooted.
Dropped, water damage, stolen, etc. - sure. But not due to software. Stop the FUD.
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Ditto, legally in the US they can't deny warranty claims for hardware UNLESS they can prove the software modifications led to the hardware failure (good luck with that) and the only thing I could think of that could potentially damage hardware is overclocking.
That being said there are several reports of warranties being denied when the knox counter is flipped but at the same time there are others that have had warranty repair done with no problems.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2517816&page=13
As for root on the s8, every year it seems to get harder and harder to root these phones but I would imagine as popular as Samsung is you'll probably get root within months.
I myself won't buy one until I can root it Samsung is the HP of smartphones, tons of garbage software preloaded.
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SyLvEsTeR20007 said:
Good for you, once it's gone, it's gone. No turning back, plus your resale value is worthless too.
Not every one wants that result after rooting it. Your life but I warn for those people who are not aware of what's at stake.
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Not really. You can always flash stock and restore. :angel:
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Not really. You can always flash stock and restore. :angel:
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Sorry mate, does not work like that. It will trip the KNOX fues and when you flash stock back, it still knows it was rooted.
I have my S6 Edge 128GB flashed with network stock firmware from Sam Mobile firmware repo and I can not use the S Health app because it says that the device has had its security compromised, even though it is now running a vanilla samsung firmware with no root.
Don't be so quick to think you know it all friend. If your so sure, I dare you to root it and then restore a stock firmware and try open a KNOX app, Shealth included and watch as it ***** slaps you for doing that. Bye Bye SPO2 meter, Hearth rate meter, secure folder and all the other stuff that can be of use.