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Updates post-root, without bricking? (kitkat update used a recovery image?)

Hey guys,
I'm picking up my Note 3 on Tuesday. Gonna stay on the stock firmware out of the box, no OTAs will be allowed. Gonna root with Kingo. I dont wanna mess with recoveries or anything other than disabling software update to prevent kitkat from being pushed. I realize it could be an advantage however as I could then in the future use the 4.4.2 update as a type of recovery image, if I need to send it in for service or sell it. I know about sammobile and all other "offical" stock tars floating around but they arent really from Samsung. They dont even release recovery images for the dev edition! Kingo wont trip knox and I wont be modifying any system apps (I may even opt with using a permission denying app to block SDM from having network access, instead of freezing it, as it's less aggressive). I will make an ADB backup pre-root and restore it before updating as well.
If the time comes I could use Kingo or Superuser to unroot, wanam to fake the status as offical, adb restore and have the samsung experience store guys flash kitkat or use the OTA which, assuredly, would remove any and all traces of root. Sounds divine.
So will the update process, whether from the Samsung guys or OTA brick my phone if I do it? I should have everything removed by doing it this way. I don't like the idea of messing with all these different recovery tars as they arent 100% official. Just wanna make sure the Sammy update wont brick it, because it knows, somehow.

I'm in the same boat though worse off than you since I don't know how to do an adb backup. Sounds to me like Kitkat sucks and I just want to stay stock mje and block updates.
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There is nothing in the kitkat update that's essential. I know because I have it on my Nexus 10 and I wish I didn't. Rooted with SDM and bloat frozen. Will not update until they give me a really good reason to.
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Yeah I agree with everything here. Kitkat totally sucks and I'm gonna stay on 4.3 for the duration of my phones life. But my question is, are we able, after rooting, to update officially to kitkat, be it an OTA or going to a samsung store and having them flash (without bricking it). I'm asking because I think it'd be a flawless way of reverting "back" (forward actually, from 4.3) to a genuine Samsung system after root. This would solve warranty worries or selling the device as rooted problems. The update would serve as a recovery image or the ultimate unrooting tool.
Just curious if it will brick the phone if done. If I need warranty service or to sell it, I dont want to go the sammobile odin route or any of the other "official" tars, because they're not 100% genuine. If we don't modify the stock rom and can use something like wanam to fake the sytem status and Knox isnt tripped, why would it not take the update perfectly? All this caution, an ADB pre-root restore and I'm pretty sure/hoping it would work wonderfully to get to a genuine samsung status, post root, for selling or service needs. Just need some clarification if it would actually work or bork the phone with an "unauthorize software detected" screen.

If kingo unroot works just unroot then accept the update no?
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recDNA said:
If kingo unroot works just unroot then accept the update no?
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It'd be nice but from what I understand the update does some kind of checking to see how/what you modified. Kingo doesnt trip knox but any root with change the system status as "modified" instead of "official", which could interfere with updates. There is a well kown "unauthorized software detected" sign that comes up sometimes after update attempts. Not sure what triggers it though. Unrooting via Kingo doesnt nessisarily remove 100% of the root. This is what we'd use the KitKat update for, unless, it bricks it somehow because it's able to detect that you once rooted. But if you were cautious, didnt mod much, didnt mess with system files, did an adb restore and faked the system status with wanam, it's plausible to think you could accept an update afterwords without issues. But also, Im not sure if wanam will be able to fake the status after you unroot...

I don't want to take the update. I will disable the updater files once rooted. otherwise, i remain stock. when the time comes reenable updater files and immediately run kingo unroot. presto, all mods gone. now accept update. that wont work?
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recDNA said:
I don't want to take the update. I will disable the updater files once rooted. otherwise, i remain stock. when the time comes reenable updater files and immediately run kingo unroot. presto, all mods gone. now accept update. that wont work?
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This is what I'm trying to ascertain. I've read things that the unroot via kingo doesnt actually remove the binaries, it only unsinstalls superuser. There still might be some traces of it on there, and the update will see this and youll get this message after boot, post update: (a verizon induced soft brick for having a modified system before update)
http://www.s3forums.com/forum/attac...d-help-bad-uploadfromtaptalk1349867775446.jpg
Kingo even told me via their facebook when I asked about it, "There is a big chance that you cannot update your device via OTA. Rooting means you tampered your device. Even your KNOX stays un-triggered, you device status will turn from "official" to "custom". If you wanna back to the "official", you should use kies/Odin to flash back the stock ROM," which is not what I want, seeing as how the firmware from sammobile and others like it arent 100% genuine from Sammy. When you unroot, it will still say modified system, even if knox isnt tripped. The updates check this. You can use wanam to "fake system status" but if you unroot first, you lose wanam functionality and if you update when you're still rooted theres no way itll take.
Just trying to hash it out as it'd be the perfect way to restore to official stock, if need be. Not having the ability makes it pretty scary to do on a phone I paid $750 for. So we're between a rock and a kitkat. I really dont want that ****ty update either. But not having a sure fire way back, it sucks.
Does anybody know about using a samsung store to update from 4.3 to 4.4.2 after unrooting? I'm assuming they use Odin to flash and actually have the official firmwares. I'd feel better about going about it that way because so far I see a lot of warnings about OTA's (even after "unrooting"). Curious if that way would work without soft bricking your phone with the verizon warning.

Thanks for the 411. I also paid full price for my note 3 but I never intend to sell it. It will be a great wifi tablet. I'm always disappointed with value of smartphones after a year of use.
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recDNA said:
Thanks for the 411. I also paid full price for my note 3 but I never intend to sell it. It will be a great wifi tablet. I'm always disappointed with value of smartphones after a year of use.
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No problem. I don't worry so much about selling it, I can sell it on Swappa as they dont care about root. But for warranty purposes, it sucks. If something happens and we have to send it back and they find that it's been rooted or modified, they will not service it. It'd just be nice to have this card to play in order to get it back to a "trustworthy" genuine firmware. I'll insure mine though so yeah, spare wifi tablet I suppose. Just sucks the replacement will more than likely be refurbished.
Yeah, it's a great phone though. Are you gonna take any updates for it before rooting (not ****kat, obviously), or gonna root it out of the box (MJ9 software, I believe)? Just curious. I just don't trust Samsung's updates any more.

I never planned to root. I'm in mje latest update. I don't trust Kingo nor Vroot. That is why I never rooted. Kitkat sounds so horrible I feel compelled to root but I still don't trust available exploits. Like you said, a rock and a hard place... Just like a new NBA coach trying to make his bones yet score a good draft pick. LOL
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Getting a note 3 tomorrow.
Why does everybody hate the kitkat update so much?

Overproof said:
Getting a note 3 tomorrow.
Why does everybody hate the kitkat update so much?
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Ruins easy access to SD card for one thing. S pen problems, some apps don't work etc.
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recDNA said:
Ruins easy access to SD card for one thing. S pen problems, some apps don't work etc.
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hahahahah!!! Stevens will be a great coach in a few years. Doc is a very very bad man. Hopefully we land Wiggins (or Parker). I'm on the fence about rooting too but from what I can tell Kingo is legit and worked for many people. the questiom is why dont they monitize it? thats scary to me.
So do you just deal with the software update popup by continually pressing home or back? if you defer it, after 4 times it installs on its own. same thing with rejecting it. I cant believe they don't give us control over our phones updstes (without rooting)! Hopefuly Verizon wont get it for a while.
There's a confirmed battery bug for kitkat ( on the nexus 5 atleast), the sd issue, a litany of instability, potentially, and the biggest deal with it: it breaks free wifi tethering and supposedly there will never be a way for developers to get arpund it. Yeah: I realllllyyy don't want that "update". If it aint broke...you know.

I don't know what I'll do yet. Sd card handling is an integral part of Kitkat and vzw won't improve it. Once the first announcement of imminent update occurs I will have to decide what to do.
I'm rooting for Celtics losses and I wish Ainje traded Rondo. I think we need a new team. I don't think Rondo will be a great influence on a young team.
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recDNA said:
I don't know what I'll do yet. Sd card handling is an integral part of Kitkat and vzw won't improve it. Once the first announcement of imminent update occurs I will have to decide what to do.
I'm rooting for Celtics losses and I wish Ainje traded Rondo. I think we need a new team. I don't think Rondo will be a great influence on a young team.
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HAhahahaha, I'm wiith you on all pages man. I would've stayed with my II but 4.3 is horrible on it and I'm really interested in the new Gear 2 watch which requires 4.3. Ironically 4.1.2 works like a BEAST on it but it wont support the gear 2. Samsung is fully turning into apple. If you do decide to root or find another way around the software updates, please let me know. I'll do the same for you. Kingo is one of the only ones that doesnt trip Knox but it's all but worthless if we cant get the system status back to "official" or get the kitkat update to install. Such a headache. Be careful with that software update popup, it's super consistent. Such a crazy way to have to use a flagship device. Most every time you press home, it pops back up. I found out that you can disable google services framework and that will prevent the update, but you also loose gmail, google play, you tube, maps and any other google app. Unbelievable.
There needs to be more NBA talk on XDA, lol. Danny has long since worn out his welcome. Still cant believe how he treated Pierce. I agree with the Rondo sentiment, wholeheartedly. His stock is falling as his athleticism fades as well. We need to blow up the team basically. I hope we resign AB, but I wont be shocked if he walks. We'll never get rid of Wallace's contract. Sully can be really good if he keeps healthy and developing. I used to love Green but now...I think we should deal him NOW. He clearly cant handle having the reigns and he takes way too many threes. Ironically enough Gerald Green is killing it for Phoenix right now?! Hoping for those ping pong balls too man. Hopefully we dont get screwed in the draft.
I'll keep you posted if I find anything.
Cheers--

Reilly1812 said:
There is nothing in the kitkat update that's essential. I know because I have it on my Nexus 10 and I wish I didn't. Rooted with SDM and bloat frozen. Will not update until they give me a really good reason to.
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tablet and phone are 2 different things. Also each phone and tablet are not getting the exact kit kat. little things different but not the same action
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anthony92170 said:
tablet and phone are 2 different things. Also each phone and tablet are not getting the exact kit kat. little things different but not the same action
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So you're not hesitant to update to kitkat on your note? If not, can I ask what features of enhancements in it make you wish to update to it? it is confirmed that sd write access for 3rd party apps and free wifi tethering apps have disabled, for some thats a big deal. If it's anything like other updates it has the potential to cripple the phones battery life and performance. 4.3 ruined my note 2 and the replacement 2 as well, losing around 2 hours of battery life on each. I'm hesitant to trust them again. With every update it seems things get worse, not better. and I cant see any huge features that would make me wanna jump from 4.3.

Terrified to Root but desperately want to

I just got my Moto X Pure Edition (THIS one) and I really want to root it and get all the things I had with my G3 and back when I had an JB'd iPhone 4s, but my experience with the G3 was terrible.
I ended up having to RMA it 4 times through my insurance because there was something I was using on the G3 that slowed it to a vista-esque pace, and despite lots of reading on this site and others I managed to brick it :silly: 4 times :silly: in 4 different ways just trying to put it back to stock. It cost me far too much money but I was stupid enough to keep trying before finally settling on stock to avoid more issues.
I love this new phone, but I know I could tweak it more to what I like and from what it looks like in Heisenberg's Guide it is fairly safe and simple as far as roots go. I feel so stupid having screwed up with the LG that I don't want to try it. I'm a CS major and I've spent so much time messing with all sorts of things I never thought it would be a problem.
So my question is, within the realm of using Xposed and a few root apps/functions (no custom ROMs or anything just because I can't afford not having a phone for a week if I ruin it again), is it relatively safe to root the X Pure and are these tools (Universal Tool, Restore to stock tool) or a manual set of steps a good bet for returning to stock and removing root? I just want to make sure if I end up over my head I can get back to stock and be happy with what is already a great phone. Sorry if I sound like a huge _____ but I'm still in school and I want to avoid further grief as best I can.

From what I've been hearing, the 808 is a tricky processor... Besides xposed and regular terminal code changes, such as screen density, you should be good. Although, if your going in and messing with code idk what to say, experienced devs are even having a tough time getting this thing to boot on their custom ROMs...

You probably shouldn't mess with your phones anymore.
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Another thing just to keep in mind when talking people about your qualifications, saying you are getting your Computer Science degree is pretty broad. First, we don't know what year you're in and second we don't know your concentration. I have a BBA for instance. A BBA in what though? If I went applying to random jobs, or trying to network that would leave more questions than answers. What do I have a BBA in? Well mine is in Management, so yes I can do basic accounting, financing, marketing, but my concentration is being able to interpret financial data and making decisions that would benefit a company or organization. Does that make me advanced enough to be an accountant, even though we both have BBAs? Hell no! Same goes for CS. You may be getting your computer science degree, but are you majoring in Network Security, Hardware, C++, Java, Oracle, etc... There is so much information missing that just stating "I'm getting my CS degree" isn't enough for anyone to give you a solid answer, especially not knowing what year you are in. If you are a junior, then you've just barely scratched the surface of what you will be studying for the next 2 years. Just a little FYI for future sakes :thumbup:

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Well that's helpful.

Didn't think to specify, my bad, yeah I'm just a junior and I feel like I haven't learned much in the way of things. I just want to get a few small things from xposed and others, no plans on changing anything myself

DrPhill94 said:
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You bricked 4 G3s. It's time to find a new hobby. I suggest one that doesn't include the destruction of expensive electronics.
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I own Oneplus One and rooted immediately with blisspop rom. I can't use phn without root access coz almost all ma apps need root permission. Yes its risky to root a costly device but if u need it so desperately den u should definitely root it....

Again, thanks for the positive input. I bricked them following the stock flashing methods on this website, I wasn't just shooting in the dark. And out of another half dozen phones I've only ever had an issue with the G3. Can you not? I'd like to learn here, not argue.

U having plm installing recovery on ur g3???

When it comes to just simply rooting and installing xposed, I don't see how you can brick it following step by step instructions. I will say this. If you brick it and you can't figure out how to get it back to stock, Motorola has made it clear you're on your own. So there's that, but using a simple toolkit can make a worlds difference in preventing mistakes. Yes, you'll feel like an amateur, and let's be honest, you are right now, but it beats losing $400.
You also just got it and you have no idea if you have any hardware issues that many have had to RMA within the first week for. So maybe sitting on it for a week or 2 couldn't hurt to eliminate that possibility as well (Bad CPU/GPU, Speaker, Light Leakage, loose parts when shaken, excess battery drain/heat, and turbo charge randomly not working, etc.). Motorola/Lenovo were at first being lenient about replacing these even with unlocked bootloaders and even giving people a month to send these back, they are wising up and change the rules since people have been making such a big fuss about the bootloader thing, and posting about the one month holding time (now I've read recently it's 3 days?), so just be careful, that's all.

nikeman513 said:
When it comes to just simply rooting and installing xposed, I don't see how you can brick it following step by step instructions. I will say this. If you brick it and you can't figure out how to get it back to stock, Motorola has made it clear you're on your own. So there's that, but using a simple toolkit can make a worlds difference in preventing mistakes. Yes, you'll feel like an amateur, and let's be honest, you are right now, but it beats losing $400.
You also just got it and you have no idea if you have any hardware issues that many have had to RMA within the first week for. So maybe sitting on it for a week or 2 couldn't hurt to eliminate that possibility as well (Bad CPU/GPU, Speaker, Light Leakage, loose parts when shaken, excess battery drain/heat, and turbo charge randomly not working, etc.). Motorola/Lenovo were at first being lenient about replacing these even with unlocked bootloaders and even giving people a month to send these back, they are wising up and change the rules since people have been making such a big fuss about the bootloader thing, and posting about the one month holding time (now I've read recently it's 3 days?), so just be careful, that's all.
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Sounds like a solid plan. With the G3 rooting was always easy but the only known way that I had found for the t mobile model was to use the LG flashing tool that looked a lot like the one they used in-house to restore it, and despite following a pretty straightforward guide there were 3 different errors I got right towards the end of the process that would lock the phone in a download mode state. After using TWRP to get it back to being usable I'd still be stuck with root, and trying a few other ways would screw me.
As far as using the tools, are the 2 I linked in the OP the proper ones to be using? I'll definitely hold off on it for a while to make sure nothing comes up, thanks for that info. I'm guessing the 2 year protection plan is moot if I'm stuck with no way to erase evidence of a software issue arising from root, so that's a thing to think about as well. Do you know if unlocking the bootloader voids that protection plan? I'm looking for the TOS.

PiousInquisitor said:
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I could not have said this any better.

Judging from the attitudes of you two it's a wonder I stopped using this forum. Thanks fellas, really shows the quality of the community here.

I have always rooted my phones from my original HTC incredible, galaxy nexus, HTC DNA, and HTC ONE M8... that being said I am very familiar with HTC and how they work and I always had the HTC RUU file ready in case of emergency but never had to use it. I'm not sure if Motorola has a RUU file or a Fastboot IMG like Nexus devices that can bring your phone back from the dead as this is my first Moto because I never wanted to deal with the encrypted bootloader on the VZW moto phones.
I honestly can say that I have been finding root less and less needed since my M8 and I dont think I will unlock or root my Pure Edition.
The reason is that there is no bloat that I cant get rid of, I see no need for a custom kernel since the newer processors are really fast, it basically runs stock android so its not bogged down by Sense or touchwiz.
I honestly can say I like the minor additions Moto has made with the Pure Edition... I have used exposed and I really dont see the use for most of its functions for more than a week before its just gimmicky.
Once updates are stopped or the Development community is way ahead of OTA updates we will still have an easy OEM process to unlock root and flash. But for now I'm sticking with what I paid for... The Moto experience

My favorite XDA line in ages, "I feel I haven't learned much in the way of things"
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If you follow step by step instruction you will be ok.... I have rooted tons of phones and bricked a couple but was able to fix them. Its a chance you take but hey if you mess up it is a excuse to get a new cell lol. But honestly your streak with rooting is bad, maybe you shouldn't try anymore.

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Judging from the attitudes of you two it's a wonder I stopped using this forum. Thanks fellas, really shows the quality of the community here.
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I'm sorry I offended you. Based on your history I think it a bad idea for you to mess with your phone. Not what you wanted to hear but I honestly think it's the truth. Not all computer science majors can handle phone tech. How many of your classmates have iPhones? How many of them with Android phones root?
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jiggyb21 said:
My favorite XDA line in ages, "I feel I haven't learned much in the way of things"
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Come on, don't pigeon hole everyone on XDA. You had to have known you were going to receive some sarcastic replies. That's like Plaxico Burress asking what kind of gun he should buy next. The consensus here seems to be genuine. You shouldn't mess with root anymore but it's your money. Thing is, rooting is not hard and not dangerous if you follow directions closely, yet you've managed to brick several devices. I rooted my phone to install Xposed but due to battery issues I have stopped using it. Look in the Xposed thread for more info. I would say just wait, its not worth it now IMO.

IMO, the only reason to root is to install AdAway.
Can't stand Ads. But other than that, the experience that Motorola has set up for us is perfect. I won't be adding anything else like Xposed, or install a custom ROM until I get bored with my phone, which will probably be in another six months. I've set myself up with an unlocked bootloader and root for when the time comes though. But for now, I'm happy.
I gotta say that to me (sophmore in college as a Biology major, completely unrelated to compsci), it seems pretty hard to brick a phone just trying to root it. Especially with the very detailed guides that Hesisenberg has set up for us, thank that man.
You gotta decide if what you plan on doing with your root is worth it though. I spent about 1.5 hours rooting my phone, and I'm not even sure that the time was worth AdAway.

UPDATE!?

My phone just went crazy and said there was an update, any info on this one?

thelonewolf1985 said:
My phone just went crazy and said there was an update, any info on this one?
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My phone said the same "enhancements and improvements". Best I can do at the moment.:
Software Version: MMB29M.G930VVRU2APE1
The current software update gives you the most up to date Android™ security patch on your device.

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My phone said the same "enhancements and improvements". Best I can do at the moment.:
Software Version: MMB29M.G930VVRU2APE1
The current software update gives you the most up to date Android™ security patch on your device.
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Yep, installing now. Pretty impressive of VZW, if these are indeed the latest (June) security updates that just landed on my Pixel C.

Yep, version APE1 also for me.
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Still no way to root ?

thelonewolf1985 said:
Still no way to root ?
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Is this available through smart switch?

The s7 is garbage!!! Man oh man do i miss my s6 edge + !!! I gave that phone up for a terrible upgrade! This phone after 3 months owning it constantly reboots, constantly freezes, especially bluetooth,lags like hell, and everything else you can think of! Im pissed with Samsung right now. I have a blown speaker when i dont know how or when it happened either! Not a happy Samsung supporter!!!!!

man, sounds like you've got a bad phone. my phone does none of that. it's been good to me since day 1 with all updates and everything.
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podagee said:
The s7 is garbage!!! Man oh man do i miss my s6 edge + !!! I gave that phone up for a terrible upgrade! This phone after 3 months owning it constantly reboots, constantly freezes, especially bluetooth,lags like hell, and everything else you can think of! Im pissed with Samsung right now. I have a blown speaker when i dont know how or when it happened either! Not a happy Samsung supporter!!!!!
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Sounds like you got a defect. None of those problem ms on my end. First phone that didn't make me miss root too much.
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j0hnh0lmes said:
Sounds like you got a defect. None of those problem ms on my end. First phone that didn't make me miss root too much.
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Im glad for you. My wife has the same phone and she was the same, " what are you talking about? I have no problems." Until, "my sdcard is messed up fix it please? And can you make the freezes stop?"
This is 300% guaranteed the last phone from Samsung i will ever buy!!

podagee said:
Im glad for you. My wife has the same phone and she was the same, " what are you talking about? I have no problems." Until, "my sdcard is messed up fix it please? And can you make the freezes stop?"
This is 300% guaranteed the last phone from Samsung i will ever buy!!
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lol... from your signature: "Its not the device....its operator error."
But seriously... A lot of people have this phone and aren't having the issues you are describing. I have the S7. It works perfectly (except the whole no root deal). But my girlfriend on the other hand also comes to me with these random issues.
Says the screen won't turn on, and the camera keeps crashing. Ok, so I look at it. The (cheap) case that she bought from Amazon is holding down the power button so when she presses it, of course nothing happens. And when the screen doesn't turn on via the power button she spams the home key, which is configured to launch the camera after a double tap. Hence, the camera keeps doing funny things. So yeah... operator error. But she's a smart girl. I told her about those things and now everything is fine. She got a new case and we turned off the double-tap home key camera shortcut. Problems solved.
Just gotta find the source of the issues man. These phones are legit. Good luck

Good for you, bye.
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Is there a way to disable the update nag prompt? I am not going to update my phone, in the hopes that someday we will see a root option. I can swipe to remove the prompt, but it remains perpetually in my notifications. Is there a way to remove this?

Wookiestick said:
Is there a way to disable the update nag prompt? I am not going to update my phone, in the hopes that someday we will see a root option. I can swipe to remove the prompt, but it remains perpetually in my notifications. Is there a way to remove this?
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Nothing for a specific notification. You could try long pressing on the notification and seeing if it lets you disable notifications for the whole app but chances are it would be something like SystemUI or other system app so even if it did let you disable all notifications for the app, you may miss others like the USB connection choice for example.

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Package disabler pro.. It's a paid app but it's cheap enough and it certainly does the job.. you can disable system update plus partially debloat your phone if careful not to disable the wrong process.. it tells you what you can or cannot disable.. it won't free up space but it will stop the update notifications.. it's envitable that you'll accidently update sooner or later if you don't disable the nag notification..

A lot of times it centers around installed apps as well. Sometimes, all it takes is one to cause issue with the rest of the phone. Did you check on any "same" apps you installed? I've had this thing for a year now, some issues now and then, but was primarily due to apps..uninstalling, updating or finding a supported app was often the solution.
My wife has has an S7 also (a year into Verizon's Samsung devices as well), the only time there's issue is when she doesn't update the apps she has installed. A few of the same apps on different phones, but no problems.
As far as SDCARD issues, what type of card/brand? I had issue with SanDisk cards in my previous samsung phones, so I switched to only using samsung cards...no problems whatsoever since I've changed card brands.

sainthooligan said:
... snip... I've had this thing for a year now, some issues now and then...
My wife has has an S7 also (a year into the phone as well)....
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What? This phone was only released a little over 3 months ago.

sorry, meant with Verizon's Samsung over the last year. GS7 since it's been out. Still no notable issues either way...at least nothing worth crying about.
We were with Sprint before for over a decade. Had Samsung devices since the GS"II" (yeah, that's #2), not many issues over the years at all.

Need help lobbying for unlocked bootloader

Didn't know where else to post this but if anyone cares to go here and comment to John Legere please do.
https://twitter.com/fordjt/status/754483458869604352

jtford said:
Didn't know where else to post this but if anyone cares to go here and comment to John Legere please do.
https://twitter.com/fordjt/status/754483458869604352
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Hmm. What an interesting idea.
But we already have tons of those petitions, e-mails, telephone calls, personal letters, legals requests, etc.
So in other words... your idea has already been done... with no luck.

Binary100100 said:
Hmm. What an interesting idea.
But we already have tons of those petitions, e-mails, telephone calls, personal letters, legals requests, etc.
So in other words... your idea has already been done... with no luck.
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Roger that. I guess this can be closed then. Just outta curiosity, do you know if this is going to be the new norm? I'm on an international S7 Edge so it doesn't currently affect me, but I would like to have my wifi calling back. Have a brand new TMO S7 Edge just getting dusty.

jtford said:
Roger that. I guess this can be closed then. Just outta curiosity, do you know if this is going to be the new norm? I'm on an international S7 Edge so it doesn't currently affect me, but I would like to have my wifi calling back. Have a brand new TMO S7 Edge just getting dusty.
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More than likely, yes, it will be the new norm.
There is an incredibly small chance that Samsung will go back to sending Tmo phones with unlockable bootloaders, but I would definitely not hold my breath. This is assuming that John Legere and Tmo actually did ask Samsung for an unlock like they said they did, and that Samsung decides to go back to how they used to ship the phones. Both of these scenarios are pretty unlikely by themselves, and even less so together.

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More than likely, yes, it will be the new norm.
There is an incredibly small chance that Samsung will go back to sending Tmo phones with unlockable bootloaders, but I would definitely not hold my breath. This is assuming that John Legere and Tmo actually did ask Samsung for an unlock like they said they did, and that Samsung decides to go back to how they used to ship the phones. Both of these scenarios are pretty unlikely by themselves, and even less so together.
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I'm sure they discussed it. It was likely shot down as soon as it was brought up though.
I'd bet that even if we were to ask today they'd say "We're still working on it. These things take time."
I'd bet that even two years from now they'll say the same thing too because they don't want the negative publicity. Any response starting with an "Unfortunately" won't ever be in our benefit which is all that they'll be responding with if we were to get any straight forward answer at all.
Samsung is grossly underestimating the willpower and determination of their customers. We were determined to get root and now we have it! Samsung should see that, be smart about it and decide to give us what we want. Meanwhile, if I let someone check out my (rooted) S7 Edge and let them notice how hot it is, how much the battery life sucks and how bad the lag is on most games (all due to the engineering kernel that we're forced to use) then I'd doubt very seriously that most people would want to get it. So my way of thinking is that they might as well let us flash unsigned kernels to at the very least let the phone run like normal. I've awed more people with my phone before rooting than after. I've actually shown it to my supervisor and she responded, "Why the Hell is it so hot?" I'm guessing she's not going to be upgrading now.

why Samsung can not do like HTC who wanted the opened Bootloader why torture people .

diligent7771 said:
why Samsung can not do like HTC who wanted the opened Bootloader why torture people .
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But then HTC could probably sue Samsung for using their idea. LOL!

I really doubt any of this will affect Samsungs decision to unlock. This is a great device stock and each who drops Samsung 2 will buy their devices. There is nothing out there that would persuade me to root even though TEKHD has a custom rom and our device has a method to root. Just my 2cents
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PapaMag said:
I really doubt any of this will affect Samsungs decision to unlock. This is a great device stock and each who drops Samsung 2 will buy their devices. There is nothing out there that would persuade me to root even though TEKHD has a custom rom and our device has a method to root. Just my 2cents
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Samsung won't be releasing an unlock unless it could positively effect their assets. Right now, their assets are Samsung Pay and Knox. Both of which require a secured bootloader to work. By releasing an unlocked bootloader or an method to unlock would do nothing positive for those assets. Truth is, there is nothing to gain for Samsung to release the bootloader for us so they won't be doing it. I'm certain of it.

diligent7771 said:
why Samsung can not do like HTC who wanted the opened Bootloader why torture people .
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Because Samsung has probably the best device they've ever made if not the best device currently on the market
Because Samsung S7/Edge devices are outselling the iPhone 6S/Plus
Because 99.99999% of people don't know what a bootloader unlock is, much less care about having it
Because Samsung Pay
Because a secure device enables government and corporate contracts
Because Samsung is making a ton of $$$ on these devices as they are
Because Samsung is totally OK with losing a small handful of people to HTC/Nexus devices when they can capture a much more lucrative market with a more secure device
There are likely many more reasons, but hopefully that answers why we don't have an unlocked bootloader and why we will never have an unlocked bootloader.

So with the bootloader locked, there is no way at all to install custom recovery or custom rom???
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chispas109 said:
So with the bootloader locked, there is no way at all to install custom recovery or custom rom???
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No custom recovery. We can flash with Flashfire though. Only problem is that if something doesn't work right then you'll have to restore with Odin since we can't restore with a recovery and can only access Flashfire after the phone has already booted.

Will Sprint LGG6 Ever Obtain Root or Unlocked Bootloader?

Will Sprint LGG6 Ever Obtain Root or Unlocked Bootloader?

Magic 8-ball says: Ask again later...

I hate these questions. They make me feel more doubtful, lol. Heck, if we knew that everybody would be buying one and waiting in anticipation.
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The million dollar question. I hope it happens but this is the first phone stock I've had that doesn't annoy me. I actually barely notice at all but I love to flash so maybe one day

My phone runs great no issues so it's not a big thing to have it rooted in that aspect, however. I like to keep NANDROID backups in case something happens, and the ability to backup applications the way I want is very important to me. Just using apps to backup everything is one thing, but if something occurs on a system level, you are generally screwed unless you have ROOT to be able to tinker and fix it yourself. I was able to fix countless phones on my own when the stores would want to wipe to factory reset or give me a refurbished. Screw that mess, give me freedom. Besides, it's illegal for them to deny you insurance claims based on ROOT. They legally have to prove that you damaged the phone by modifying the software. Battled and won twice after threats of a lawsuit. I have that part of the consumer rights saved in multiple places, just need to remember where so I can post it.

It all depends on whether or not the bootloader is locked, dm-verity, restrictions, etc. I hope it's not something like the Galaxy S7 with its Qualcomm Secure Boot.

The bootloader isn't even accessible from any user accessable means from what I've encountered, I can't seem to get in, I have "Enable OEM unlock" in settings, but it just seems that fastboot has been entirely stripped from this device... Very weird.

source code for Sprint G6
enzeden said:
Will Sprint LGG6 Ever Obtain Root or Unlocked Bootloader?
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dont know if this could help. i wouldnt know what to look for..
opensource.lge.com/osSch/list?types=ALL&search=LS993

Is this fake?
https://www.getdroidtips.com/root-install-twrp-recovery-sprint-lg-g6/
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hoonigan43 said:
Is this fake?
https://www.getdroidtips.com/root-install-twrp-recovery-sprint-lg-g6/
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yep

l33tlinuxh4x0r said:
yep
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Figured ?
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I'm guessing no one is even working on root or bootloader unlock. Seriously, disappointing. I just want bloat gone.

MikeDroid said:
I'm guessing no one is even working on root or bootloader unlock. Seriously, disappointing. I just want bloat gone.
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Why dont you look for a bootloader exploit or donate your phone to someone who can do it?

Mr nerd said:
Why dont you look for a bootloader exploit or donate your phone to someone who can do it?
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Because I like to go outside every now and then and I need a working phone. Don't care to go back to old Nexus.

MikeDroid said:
I'm guessing no one is even working on root or bootloader unlock. Seriously, disappointing. I just want bloat gone.
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You can still anti bloat through android.. by disabling apps manually. But yeah I feel your pain.. I hate ads, I miss Xposed, I miss TWRP.. My note 5 i still keep around for that reason...
Truth is the LG G6 is a spectacular phone.. But the rooting community is getting smaller and smaller as android allows you to be more customizable and the average device life for people has gone from 2-3 years.. to every year now with leases and trade ins at carriers, and flagship phones coming out every 8-14 months.
WIth the G4 randomly dying, and the G5 having battery issues.. It took LG a while to get it right, and I love this phone more than the s8 and s8+ but LG jumped on the "apple/samsung" bandwagon by locking bootloaders... There are alot more people with Samsungs than LGs right now.. The reason behind all the companies going this route is because of Android Pay and proprietary security by phone manufacturers to push more sales through corporate and enterprise security..
At least LG is over time unlocking some variants ( albeit international) of the G6 its hopeful...
We used to have this luxury with HTC but they are still trying to stay afloat.
Those are just my observations... from working for an indirect dealer and rooting tons of phones for 9+ Years.
We just have to pray for an exploit- somewhere.. someone out there has turned it into an obsession... Lets just hope they emerge ....

chaosrecords said:
You can still anti bloat through android.. by disabling apps manually. But yeah I feel your pain.. I hate ads, I miss Xposed, I miss TWRP.. My note 5 i still keep around for that reason...
Truth is the LG G6 is a spectacular phone.. But the rooting community is getting smaller and smaller as android allows you to be more customizable and the average device life for people has gone from 2-3 years.. to every year now with leases and trade ins at carriers, and flagship phones coming out every 8-14 months.
WIth the G4 randomly dying, and the G5 having battery issues.. It took LG a while to get it right, and I love this phone more than the s8 and s8+ but LG jumped on the "apple/samsung" bandwagon by locking bootloaders... There are alot more people with Samsungs than LGs right now.. The reason behind all the companies going this route is because of Android Pay and proprietary security by phone manufacturers to push more sales through corporate and enterprise security..
At least LG is over time unlocking some variants ( albeit international) of the G6 its hopeful...
We used to have this luxury with HTC but they are still trying to stay afloat.
Those are just my observations... from working for an indirect dealer and rooting tons of phones for 9+ Years.
We just have to pray for an exploit- somewhere.. someone out there has turned it into an obsession... Lets just hope they emerge ....
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Ditto on all that. For ads, I've used the all in one opt out which has eliminated lots of ads. Bloat is irritating, having to reset Google Voice after every update. Xposed was awesome. And I want all the Sprint badging and boot animation gone. Even temp root would make me happy.

Just everybody remember. Do not update. Usually root is achieved on lowest firmwares only in the last few history of lg series

Someone just messaged me this: Maybe some jtag process could work, or test point at qcom mode, dumping boot.img and rooting with magisk