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[Q] Nexus 7 2012 performance in kitkat

Hi ,
How is the overall performance of nexus 7 2012 after the kitkat update , kindly provide the pros and cons after the update.this could help me decide whether i should go for 2012 model or 2013 model.

If you are trying to decide between new and old, obviously go for the 2013, CPU is faster as well as more RAM. ART is also available on the new one.
As for issues, I don't have any with my 2012 so far on KRT16S. Adobe Flash no longer works because of chromium engine so if thats a big thing for you, may want to stay with 4.3

NeoMagus said:
If you are trying to decide between new and old, obviously go for the 2013, CPU is faster as well as more RAM. ART is also available on the new one.
As for issues, I don't have any with my 2012 so far on KRT16S. Adobe Flash no longer works because of chromium engine so if thats a big thing for you, may want to stay with 4.3
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Well the old one is cheaper though.. By quite a bit actually.
So does that mean flash won't even work with other browsers?
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Unless you don't have enough cash for 2013, go for 2012, it's still a great device and I never leave home without it, but 2013 is not really all that expensive, so the choice is clear.
Pros:
- it is smooth (but I factory reset it to install kitkat, so I don't know how it would've been if I just updated from previous version), but it was like this for every version
- transparent task and nav bars (with GEL or nova launcher, only on launcher though)
- clock font is the same again (in 4.2 the hours were bold while minutes were normal - I liked it this way more though)
- there's a new icon if you pull down notification bar on the right side
- battery life is good, but it's always been good
Cons:
- OTA rootkeeper doesn't work anymore, you have to manually re-root it every time
- 4.4 is pretty much the same as ICS except with slightly different icons and colors.
- lots of services still don't work outside US and couple of extra countries (play magazines, play movies...)
I don't know, it's android, it does everything, but starts to lag after a while and batteries die and such, I like my Nexus 7 2012 very much, if it broke (knock knock on the table, don't break!) I'd get a 2013 one, not 2012.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vmhpivfu725it3v/Screenshot_2013-11-22-10-56-05.png

Obviously ours is cheaper but if it was me I'd rather spend the extra and have the newer hardware.. not to mention 2012 is creeping up on that 18 month EOL Galaxy Nexus just dealt with, the newer one will still be getting updates.
As for Flash its dead except for Puffin which apparently runs slow ppl talking about it here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2531015

Depends what funds you have available. I don't leave home without it and wouldn't swap it. Been working on KitKat for a while and no major issues and a lot less "lag" on 4.4 than on 4.3 :good:

Nope, OTA suvival works!

I was running a custom rom for 4.3 and 4.2.2 that was heavily optimized for this device by experienced developers on this forum. And the roms were SO MUCH smoother and faster than stock rom google provided. Now that 4.4 is available, I'm just trying out the stock rom by google, and man..I don't like the performance. There are quite often stuttering moments, and I am eagerly waiting for a stable custom rom based on 4.4. I'm pretty sure 2013 version, you don't really need to have a custom rom to make it super smooth, because I have the nexus 4, very similar hardware as 2013 nexus 7, and my nexus 4 runs very smoothly with google's official 4.4 firmware.
Hope it helps.

Well... it was with a heavy heart, that this afternoon, I took the decision to downgrade my Nexus 7 from KitKat 4.4 back to Jellybean 4.3.
Too many issues that I feel are wrong with KitKat... the lack of visual clarity on the WiFi icon, and particularly with the battery icon when the device is recharging.
But the real deal breaker for me is that KitKat 'breaks' the AOSP browser.
Although there is an AOSP KitKat compliant browser available that will run on the first generation Nexus 7, it's tied to Chromium WebView (instead of WebKit), and functionally, it's essentially identical to Chrome. And like Chrome, it lacks the speed of AOSP... further, it also lacks the one single critical feature that I believe any web browser needs to have in order to provide a satisfying browsing experience on any mobile device - and that feature is text-flow. What is the point in having pinch'n'zoom capabilty on any device, if the text doesn't reflow and reformat itself? So much effort using Chrome, panning right, left and then right again... just to read something!
Of course, it could be argued, that there are many third party web browsers on Google PlayStore that provide this functionality... and some do indeed make a pretty good stab at it. Opera Classic for example... Maxthon is another... but all too often, these browsers lack the lightening fast speed of the AOSP browser... maybe because they are encumbered with lots of useless (to me, anyway) features.
For reasons which utterly escape me, Google have been 'pushing' Chrome for Android as though it was the last word in Android browsers - IMHO, it simply isn't. There are far better browsers available on Playstore... but not a single one comes even close to the experience afforded by the AOSP browser.
All of which would be tolerable, if KitKat didn't force AOSP based browsers down the Chromium WebView path... so for me, Android 4.4 KitKat has essentially ruined my browsing experience - and for this reason, I spent the afternoon fastboot flashing my Nexus 7 back to Jellybean 4.3, and then restoring my apps via Titanium... a real time consuming nuisance, but if I wished to continue to use my Nexus 7, predominantly for web browsing, it had to be done.
I'm now back on build JWR66Y, reinstalled the AOSP browser, and everything just works... the way it should... and the way it used to... before KitKat.
Rgrds,
Ged.

The Kit Kat update was so buggy that it drove me away. I went out and bought a dell venue 8 pro today. The tablet was only 279 and has full blown windows 8.1 AND I don't have to hack it in order use flash sites.

Ota was very smooth ,and so far on my n7 2012 its running fab , no delay , only a few odd games don't work ,but its very nice so far
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Upgraded from android 4.3 stock ROM with custom
Kernel,M-kernel, to android 4.4 stock ROM(KRT16s)
to find out exciting new features on KitKat.
The performance of stock KitKat is good for
a stock ROM but not great. The optimized 4.3 ROM
with M-kernel is faster and smooth without over clocking the CPU. The battery life last longer .
KitKat ROM has many new features that worth the
upgrade from android 4.3.
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GedBlake said:
Although there is an AOSP KitKat compliant browser available that will run on the first generation Nexus 7, it's tied to Chromium WebView (instead of WebKit), and functionally, it's essentially identical to Chrome. And like Chrome, it lacks the speed of AOSP... further, it also lacks the one single critical feature that I believe any web browser needs to have in order to provide a satisfying browsing experience on any mobile device - and that feature is text-flow. What is the point in having pinch'n'zoom capabilty on any device, if the text doesn't reflow and reformat itself? So much effort using Chrome, panning right, left and then right again... just to read something!
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Oof. I was afraid of this (I use Naked Browser Pro). Thanks for confirming the worst. Had similar feelings about Chromium-based Opera (nowhere near as fast as old WebView).
An awful lot of browsers rely on WebView, which makes me think this was a clear move to make all of them suck as badly as Chrome. Not that Google was under any obligation to help their competition, but it's still a crap move.
I do wonder if anyone will take the effort to fill the now difficult speedy browser niche on KitKat. You'd have to either:
1.) Port old WebView
2.) Fork, fix, and optimize Chromium (if that's even possible), or
3.) Use an entirely different engine (possibly your own).
None of these options are great, dev-wise ... and unless we're talking about Naked Browser, any new option is almost guaranteed to come with privacy issues (ads, trackers, etc.)
Given that WebView is part of the ROM, I wonder if OmniROM would be interested in eventually fixing this.
-XCN-

Kit Kat performance is exactly the same as 4.3, no better or worse. It's OK but gets laggy at times. By no means would I consider the 2012 model quick at this point and you should definitely get the 2013 model.
Overall I consider the first gen nexus 7 a big disappointment in performances especially considering the initial launch video Matias Duarte is calling it "a lag free device". Yeah it is...out of the box, and after full storage and system wipe. Over time it gets so annoyingly laggy you wanna chuck it against a wall! The more storage you use the worse it gets and don't even think about adding a second profile. That's an immediate lag bomb!
Also build quality is very suspect, the screen lift/creaking issue seems to be a matter of when not if. I thought I had dodged a bullet with mine until 3 days after my warranty expired. The left side creaks like crazy, and I cracked the back cover removing it to perform several of the home !made remedies. All worked for a day or 2 then the creaking would come back! I eventually gave up and stopped caring.
I don't really feel too ripped off from buying it. Nearly a year and a half of use and 3 major system updates as well as countless minor system updates feel like I got my moneys worth. But tegra 3 isn't getting any younger and getting more and more dated by the day. Also Google proved with the gnex they are pretty cut throat with their 18 months of support policy so KitKat is most likely the end of the road for the 2012 model. Do yourself a favor and get the new one! You won't regret it
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You have to be insane to get the 2012 model. Mine is showing definite age and I have barely had it a year. I think there are read write problems with the 2012 hardware that makes it laggy over time.
Get 2013 model but know that it will probably be beat up and slow a year from now. I'd say the life cycle is about a year.
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mtva24 said:
The Kit Kat update was so buggy that it drove me away. I went out and bought a dell venue 8 pro today. The tablet was only 279 and has full blown windows 8.1 AND I don't have to hack it in order use flash sites.
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Seriously thinking out getting one of those too.

jadesse said:
Seriously thinking out getting one of those too.
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You won't regret it!

Hey guys!! I update to 4.4 me too, but Does your battery drain faster than 4.3 or it s only mine ? Before the battery was easily 8 or 9 hours daily.. With a basically use, now with exactly the same.. not going more Than 6 hours ..
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elfacki20 said:
Hey guys!! I update to 4.4 me too, but Does your battery drain faster than 4.3 or it s only mine ? Before the battery was easily 8 or 9 hours daily.. With a basically use, now with exactly the same.. not going more Than 6 hours ..
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The battery has not been too bad for me. There may have been a slight decrease, but I find this is common with some updates. Are you on the latest KitKat build or the first one?

ryebread761 said:
The battery has not been too bad for me. There may have been a slight decrease, but I find this is common with some updates. Are you on the latest KitKat build or the first one?
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The Latest.. It is possible that the reason is the root? I dit it 3days ago after the update(ROM) and I forgot to install the recovery tool .. So This morning I re-root the nexus with rectool and now for 1hour use, I lost only 5% so I don't really understand what's going on ..
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Some small comfort in regards to 5.0

So I like many of you have been jonesing for some sweet lollipop action. It's frustrating to have a top end device and to have to wait. But for those of you who have not had the opportunity to play with lollipop let me just tell you, it ain't ready for prime time. I was excited to get it on my nvidia shield tablet, and in the end unlocked the bootloader and went backt to 4.2 because it was so buggy. I know the user experience varies some from device to device, and the new features are cool. But it will be much better to get our droids updated with a solid release, esp. since we won't have the option to turn back the clock with our locked boot loaders. I know it's not what most want to hear, but It's made me a lot more patient with regards to our Turbos getting updated.

RhinoL said:
So I like many of you have been jonesing for some sweet lollipop action. It's frustrating to have a top end device and to have to wait. But for those of you who have not had the opportunity to play with lollipop let me just tell you, it ain't ready for prime time. I was excited to get it on my nvidia shield tablet, and in the end unlocked the bootloader and went backt to 4.2 because it was so buggy. I know the user experience varies some from device to device, and the new features are cool. But it will be much better to get our droids updated with a solid release, esp. since we won't have the option to turn back the clock with our locked boot loaders. I know it's not what most want to hear, but It's made me a lot more patient with regards to our Turbos getting updated.
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I keep seeing people saying things like this. I came from a nexus 5 with lollipop and never had any issues. 5.0 is a stable release. What was "buggy" for you?

For the nvidia shield, it just dogged down the tablet. Chrome froze often in browsing situations, FB had a major memory leak problem, and as a whole the tablet just slowed down and began to hang frequently. I factory reset after the OTA and was running totally stock and it down graded the user experience significantly. Many others reported very similar experiences on that device. I just read today they've released a 5.0.1 update, so I'm definately going to watch that closely because lollipop is definately cool. Esp. the smart lock, screen pinning, and new material design look. But it is all pretty useless if it dogs your hardware. I'm sure they will get it fixed, but all I'm saying is I'd rather have it running right on the turbo, than running like it was on the nvidia shield, esp. since our turbos are locked down and their is no way going back.

Nvidia shield has an Nvidia processor, this is the problem

I put lolliop on my nexus 7(2012) and i was amazed at the improvrment. Seemed like it freed up memory and it was buttery snooth. My only complant would be the white backgrounds and keyboards. Haven't seen it on phone yet. Can't wait

I also saw a lot of bugs on both a moto g 2014 and the nexus 6. There are always people who do not have the same experiences, but for me it was nowhere near what I consider stable.

Still no issues on the 2013 nexus 7 or 1st gen moto g. I also don't see the point of these "keep calm" threads. It's about as useful as the "unlock our bootloader" threads

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Nvidia shield has an Nvidia processor, this is the problem
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I have the Shield Tablet and see the lollipop upgrade as awesome. It is the fastest tablet available besides the Nexus 9 in some cases. Lollipop is definite improvement over KitKat in every way.
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djbling said:
I put lolliop on my nexus 7(2012) and i was amazed at the improvrment. Seemed like it freed up memory and it was buttery snooth. My only complant would be the white backgrounds and keyboards. Haven't seen it on phone yet. Can't wait
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wut? I have a 2012 nexus 7 (grouper) and lollipop made it ridiculously slow. That and the fact that the ota update broke root pushed me to try cm11.

daweim0 said:
wut? I have a 2012 nexus 7 (grouper) and lollipop made it ridiculously slow. That and the fact that the ota update broke root pushed me to try cm11.
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5.0 was really slow, now 5.0.2 has fixed that and its better than kitkat for me.

5.0...0.1 and 0.2 were all smooth on my Nexus 7 (2013LTE) No issues so far. Occasional bootloop with am unstable CM build..but stock 5.0 no issues. Smooth as silk.. Better battery life for me as well..Very happy indeed..
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daweim0 said:
wut? I have a 2012 nexus 7 (grouper) and lollipop made it ridiculously slow. That and the fact that the ota update broke root pushed me to try cm11.
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Garbage NAND, a known issue slightly patched. That was the curse of the 2012 N7.
OTAs always break root. You shoul have known. Reroot it, its not a big deal.

Performance update on it's way!

http://androidandme.com/2015/07/new...-3-getting-performance-update-in-coming-days/

Nice. Hope it's a new update and not the one that some people have gotten.
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Sweet!!! Thanks for the news. I wonder what updates will be made to the camera.

Giu didn't mention a source or anything. Just "that we received word" so I am still a little cynical at this point.
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2nd story about update
More info:
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=16092
http://www.talkandroid.com/255569-alcatel-onetouch-idol-3-update-rolling-out-over-the-next-few-days/
Multiple sources makes it seem more legit to me.

this is great news well its not what we expected to be 5.1 update but its something im glad alcatel has actually listened to us especially through that Email that was sent last month hopefully in mind they should release the source code soon or someone to capture the OTA and extract it

gecko702 said:
this is great news well its not what we expected to be 5.1 update but its something im glad alcatel has actually listened to us especially through that Email that was sent last month hopefully in mind they should release the source code soon or someone to capture the OTA and extract it
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As mentioned in the root or update thread, the OTA updates contain only patches to the binary code and not full source. It'll have to come from Alcatel.

well they sure are taking their sweet time pushing it out, its not hitting mine yet.
how many possible users could they be going out to afterall? its not like this phone went mainstream...

mk3 said:
well they sure are taking their sweet time pushing it out, its not hitting mine yet.
how many possible users could they be going out to afterall? its not like this phone went mainstream...
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It's slowly making its way mainstream. It should release this week. I hope it's not one of those updates that break something when trying to do good.

Already had the update last week and the performance is much better now!

Looks like an update is rolling out right now, dated today the 13th....still 5.0.2 unfortunately

Yup - installing right now. Still 5.0.2 ..

Installing right now

After the update try to clear all all opening apps, you will mention that it's without any lag or stutter

usmcnyc said:
Looks like an update is rolling out right now, dated today the 13th....still 5.0.2 unfortunately
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Yup - installing right now. Still 5.0.2 ..
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Installing right now
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what version of firmware? 5.0.2-01003?
Thk!!

DonnieDoezoe said:
After the update try to clear all all opening apps, you will mention that it's without any lag or stutter
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I am not sure if it is just me - but at least this part is NOT fixed. clearing open apps still has the same stutter that it had before. I restored the animation scale back to 1x and that has not changed anything. Maybe that is how it is supposed to be.
The app launching appears to have improved *slightly* . Whether double tap is more reliable remains to be seen. The update did not reset my launcher setting i.e. it did not revert to the stock launcher .
Overall - so far , I am not seeing anything worth getting too excited about - Not so far at least.
BTW - just to confirm - I now have Android version = 5.0.2 Kernel version = 3.10.49 Build number = 7SQR-UER0

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I am not sure if it is just me - but at least this part is NOT fixed. clearing open apps still has the same stutter that it had before. I restored the animation scale back to 1x and that has not changed anything. Maybe that is how it is supposed to be.
The app launching appears to have improved *slightly* . Whether double tap is more reliable remains to be seen. The update did not reset my launcher setting i.e. it did not revert to the stock launcher .
Overall - so far , I am not seeing anything worth getting too excited about - Not so far at least.
BTW - just to confirm - I now have Android version = 5.0.2 Kernel version = 3.10.49 Build number = 7SQR-UER0
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Same here, not too much difference noted with this update. Anyone know if Alcatel includes a changelog someplace with these updates?

I feel differently. This update, so far, is great. The lag I had previously is nearly gone and installing apps is much much faster. DTTW has worked everytime (only tried about 7-8 times so far) unlike previously when it hardly ever worked. I don't notice anything different on the camera but I've only played with it for a short period. I've not used this phone as a daily driver since I got it in May because of the user experience, it just lagged and I hate lag - especially compared to my LG G2. Today however, I put my sim card in and will give it a true test, being the daily driver.
I was going to return it initially but held onto it waiting for an update and glad I did. I simply couldn't understand why this phone was not at least as fast (or faster) than my LG G Pro Or HTC One M7 since both of them are running the Snapdragon 600 (vs 615) and slower GPU. Plus both are also running pretty heavy skins yet both were way faster/smoother than the Idol 3. It had to be software and optimization which seems to be what this update addresses. The screen and speakers on this phone are to die for and I'm glad it's now able to be used effectively. I may think differently in a day or so after a real world test but for now I'm excited about this little guy.

I just got the update this morning, and my initial reaction is pretty good. The phone just feels snappier overall. The notification shade seems to come down very smooth all the time now. Previously, when the keyboard was open, the notification shade would drop a lot of frames when you pulled it down. The camera seems to be doing a better job of getting the correct point of focus too. Also, double tap to wake actually works now! This is huge for me because it only worked about once out of ten tries for me before. I'm happy.
Edit: I'm also seeing about 1.5GB of extra free storage. I wonder if the phone wasn't properly moving apps to the sd card before. I have about 12 games installed, and I have them all moved to the sd card.
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Looks like you guys had the update we got last week in europe. It runs much better , cleaning apps doesn't lag anymore and everything runs smoother.
For the people still having problems can you confirm you're in 5.0.2-010 03 ?

Android 5.1 Lollipop OTA released for Tegra Note 7

Just saw on Twitter that NVIDIA has announced the release of Android 5.1 for Tegra Note 7 and Shield Portable.
https://twitter.com/nvidiashield/status/624279523572498434
I'm not seeing it, but am currently rooted.
Anyone have the zip?

cant see it either...

it got available for the shield portable devices. i read that news on androidpolice.com
but didn't know that nvidia said it is available for our TN7 (which isn't true for the moment). maybe it needs a few days to roll out to every one.

Just got it on my tegra note 7, installing now
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i just got mine it in the UK this morning to. Currently rebooting after installing, hanging on the spinning green circle as it probably converts everything to ART.

I have also received it here in India. Captured the OTA as well. It is tegra_note_7_system_update_3.0__5.1.zip file size 446 MB.

here is the ota update just in case someone needs it Android 5.1 ota update

stay away from it, my tablet feels more laggy now and more hot it was never before i updated this... first impressons are bad i regret i updated to 5 .1

mortuus82 said:
stay away from it, my tablet feels more laggy now and more hot it was never before i updated this... first impressons are bad i regret i updated to 5 .1
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you could try downgrading to kitkat it may work or it may brick your device. I would love to know if downgrading works. maybe i will try it once i pull the system images

mortuus82 said:
stay away from it, my tablet feels more laggy now and more hot it was never before i updated this... first impressons are bad i regret i updated to 5 .1
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Seriously, I'm disappointed too. We waited months for it and now it lacks it's charm.
Some people are saying that it's faster than before and even high-end games are not lagging even a bit.
I didn't try any game like that yet, but it still feels a bit laggy anyway.
Plus, the thing I miss the most is the split system of notifications on the left, and quick setting on right. And we can't change performance settings like before such as to use 2-cores. My quick settings widget is not working either.
I just updated, and I'm already missing my 'old tablet'.

rohitanshu said:
Seriously, I'm disappointed too. We waited months for it and now it lacks it's charm.
Some people are saying that it's faster than before and even high-end games are not lagging even a bit.
I didn't try any game like that yet, but it still feels a bit laggy anyway.
Plus, the thing I miss the most is the split system of notifications on the left, and quick setting on right. And we can't change performance settings like before such as to use 2-cores. My quick settings widget is not working either.
I just updated, and I'm already missing my 'old tablet'.
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did you see this http://forum.xda-developers.com/nvi...tention-how-to-to-power-control-menu-t3164381

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did you see this http://forum.xda-developers.com/nvi...tention-how-to-to-power-control-menu-t3164381
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Thanks for that. That's one problem less.
Man i used to love this tablet a lot! It's a bit ruined now.
I still think NVIDIA should release smaller updates to better the layout and options. The notification bar is so narrow, it feels like I'm using my phone. Though, I don't have high hopes given how much time it took for this update. :fingers-crossed:

just a heads up System boot and recovery images have been pulled and test for Lollipop and uploaded to server. Now to work on updating the super tool to version 3.0 Lollipop

rohitanshu said:
Seriously, I'm disappointed too. We waited months for it and now it lacks it's charm.
Some people are saying that it's faster than before and even high-end games are not lagging even a bit.
I didn't try any game like that yet, but it still feels a bit laggy anyway.
Plus, the thing I miss the most is the split system of notifications on the left, and quick setting on right. And we can't change performance settings like before such as to use 2-cores. My quick settings widget is not working either.
I just updated, and I'm already missing my 'old tablet'.
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I feel exactly the same

this update is a joke, now the tablet feels like a cheap **** with crappy graphics chip.. why the hell did they released if its gonna lag so badly ? if they said this update dont come because of this then i would be ok... now games that didnt lag before like clash of clans lags.. its like micro freeze what the hel lis this nonsense ? do i have to buy a new tablet now ? and i have a weird battery bug, it goes from 100% backwards to like 97% and below even if it says its charging with cable in....

Some improvements are there
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I feel exactly the same
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The stylus recognition has improved immeasurably ,and thats the only positive thing that i can say about the update.

I'm going to try clearing out all the app caches or reinstall my apps. This is so much slower than before, and it commonly freezes up for a few seconds...especially when switching apps.
Before, we could control our processor to save battery by reducing the number of cores used. That option is gone completely.
I see no noticeable upside to the lollipop update.
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Vibrate actually u can access the performance option its just hidden from us, check this thread how to access it.. for me it doesnt help 2 cores or 4 cores 30fps limit or 60.. still lags even basic games
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nvi...tention-how-to-to-power-control-menu-t3164381

mortuus82 said:
Vibrate actually u can access the performance option its just hidden from us, check this thread how to access it.. for me it doesnt help 2 cores or 4 cores 30fps limit or 60.. still lags even basic games
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nvi...tention-how-to-to-power-control-menu-t3164381
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Neat app but aside from the fact it's non native, its just too many steps to enable what I want. So I won't end up using it.
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Before everyone trashes this update, someone should try a full factory reset... I've fixed many issues with previous updates by doing this, and with an update this big, I'd suspect it could help.

Nexus 6P horrible lag issue when rooted

So I picked up a 6P again after I got rid of my original a couple years ago. It arrived yesterday and I got it all setup, but then it started having issues that night. So I did a factory reset. I should mention that the very first thing I did when I got it was root it and install elementalx. Didn't bother with a ROM since Pure Nexus hasn't been supported for awhile (which is what I installed on my old 6P) and I was already running Oreo.
Today was going great until about an hour ago. I unplugged it from charging and the same symptoms as last night happened. When this happens I have to hold the power button until the device reboots.
What happens is that severe lag happens. The screen turns on after a few seconds when I use the fingerprint scanner or power button, but it's very slow and glitchy. Like it'll show half the notification bar and below that there will be a 2 inch long by 1 inch long rectangle in the upper left corner that shows the bottom of my wallpaper. The rest of the screen will show my wallpaper but it'll be glitched, where like the bottom is actually a section of the top. And trying to pull down the notification shade is just impossible. It glitches big time but after lagging of course. I really wish I had pictures to better explain. If it happens again I'll be sure to take some.
From what I've said though, does anyone have any idea why this is happening?
I have a few days where I can still return the device, but I really would like to keep it since it's in mint condition. Battery life is great still and there doesn't seem to be any performance issues when it's working properly. I really don't want to keep doing resets, which if I'd have to then I don't see any point in keeping it since it basically won't be usable.
Edit: 9:37pm
Just had it happen again so I took some pictures. It got to the point the screen wouldn't come on at all, so I had to hold the power button again to reboot. But I found out it still registers the fingerprint to unlock (I hear the sound) and hitting the power button twice still launches the camera (the phone vibrates). When this first started happening this time, after waiting for a little bit with the screen on, I got the popup that the System UI wasn't responding.

Just wanted to update that I flashed the stock ota from Google's site for the October 2018 update. Since doing so the phone has been working fine *knocks on wood*. So right now I'm thinking there was an issue with rooting, elementalx, or magisk. I'll make a backup and do those things one at a time and see when/if my issues return.

Just another update for those who stumble across this topic from Google or whatever.
Things were working great for a few days so I decided to go ahead and root but not install elementalx or anything. Did so last night and upon waking up this morning the phone was having the lag issue again. So it seems rooting is causing my problem. I used magisk, so I'm going to try SuperSU and see if that causes my problem as well.

Switching from magisk to SuperSU did not solve my problem. The phone started freezing up and lagging bad again, requiring me to hold the power button and reboot. So I guess I'll just unroot again and leave it that way.
Unless someone seeing this has any other ideas.

I dont recommend oreo. Im having a lot of issues like the worst of all not being able to install TWRP, lag, screen stutters and excessive battery usage

I love Oreo. Have zero problems with it, my problems are this specific phone. Don't root it and it works flawlessly. Oreo runs better for me than any previous version of Android ever, especially on older lower spec devices. There is zero reason something as powerful as the 6P can't handle it.
TWRP installed without issue, never had an issue with it and Oreo shouldn't affect it anyways. I've got the phone running kind of stock. I installed TWRP and ElementalX and left it at that. Using other apps and adb commands I was able to install a bunch of "Pixel only" stuff and get what I wanted without root. So I'm happy.
The thing's just a side project next to my Note 9 anyways. So long as the hardware issues stay at bay that render the 6P worthless, I'll stay happy.
Sounds like to me you need to do a full re-flash from the stock files on Google's Nexus site and start fresh. Or yours is starting to show signs of the hardware defects.
Either way, this topic is moot to me now I guess. Mainly just left it here in case others find it through Google searches. Good luck!

Whenever I do a major android version upgrade I wipe internal storage. I found that if I didn't do this would get all kinds of little issues. Internal storage carries over files from one android version to the next.

My 6P is doing very similar as yours is. Extreme lagging, basically totally freezing and sometimes half the screen is visible just like on your pictures. I haven't find a solution to it, but you are saying not rooting it fixed it for you? Seems far-fetched but I guess I have no other option. I have been using Lineage OS.

Yeah, removing root instantly fixed the issues for me. I made sure to clear cache and everything like that from recovery too. I'm still unlocked and using TWRP with Elementalx, setup however I like. I just can't root. Soon as I do I can actually feel a little slowdown in using the phone, and then after a day or so the horrible lag with freezing and stuff starts.
Not sure about using a custom ROM since like I said I didn't try it on this phone. My original 6P didn't have any of these issues and I could root, ROM, and modify my heart out.
So to recap, currently and since my last actual update here basically, I've been unlocked, using elementalx and TWRP, but running stock October 2018 Oreo ROM and all that. I used adb commands to get Greenify setup as close to root settings as possible, and to install some Pixel stuff to get night light and whatnot. Got immersive mode by using systemuituner app. And a couple other things to get it as close to how my original 6P was on Pure Nexus.
Hope this helps. I'll be glad to provide anything else I can.

Oreo is crap on the nexus 6p. Seems.like google is slowing it down. Not only on the operating sysyem but also on its latest apps. The latest version of maps is too laggy but the one that comes with nougat is smooth. Thats why i went back to nougat is lile heaven and hell. Shame on goole being thay oreo runs very good on the 5x but not the 6p

survivor_evil said:
Oreo is crap on the nexus 6p. Seems.like google is slowing it down. Not only on the operating sysyem but also on its latest apps. The latest version of maps is too laggy but the one that comes with nougat is smooth. Thats why i went back to nougat is lile heaven and hell. Shame on goole being thay oreo runs very good on the 5x but not the 6p
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Take your conspiracy theories elsewhere. Oreo runs smooth as butter on perfectly (or even in my case, not perfectly since it won't root) fine 6P's. Everything works as it should and I have zero issues and zero lag. All you're doing is cluttering up my topic on something that has absolutely nothing to do with Oreo. This topic is about the issues I'm having after rooting, nothing else. If you don't like Oreo, fine. If you think a device that's several years old at this point isn't running the newest OS as smooth as it ran older ones, that's fine too. Especially since Google has at this point completely disowned the Nexus nameplate. Just don't come into someone else's topic and run your mouth. I told you before I had no issues with Oreo and that it sounds like your device is showing odd behavior, if you didn't like that... well that's fine too. Why subscribe to this topic and keep coming back if it has nothing to do with you. Go away or contribute helpful info to the issue at hand here; rooting complications not Oreo.
Although at this point I'm not having any issues. My 6P has been running buttery smooth since I removed root on what, October 18th... that's about two weeks ago. And this includes installing and tweaking stuff on it that it's supposedly too obsolete to run and only Pixel devices can handle. It goes toe to toe with my Note 9 in daily activities, all while running Oreo.

RockwellB1 said:
Take your conspiracy theories elsewhere. Oreo runs smooth as butter on perfectly (or even in my case, not perfectly since it won't root) fine 6P's. Everything works as it should and I have zero issues and zero lag. All you're doing is cluttering up my topic on something that has absolutely nothing to do with Oreo. This topic is about the issues I'm having after rooting, nothing else. If you don't like Oreo, fine. If you think a device that's several years old at this point isn't running the newest OS as smooth as it ran older ones, that's fine too. Especially since Google has at this point completely disowned the Nexus nameplate. Just don't come into someone else's topic and run your mouth. I told you before I had no issues with Oreo and that it sounds like your device is showing odd behavior, if you didn't like that... well that's fine too. Why subscribe to this topic and keep coming back if it has nothing to do with you. Go away or contribute helpful info to the issue at hand here; rooting complications not Oreo.
Although at this point I'm not having any issues. My 6P has been running buttery smooth since I removed root on what, October 18th... that's about two weeks ago. And this includes installing and tweaking stuff on it that it's supposedly too obsolete to run and only Pixel devices can handle. It goes toe to toe with my Note 9 in daily activities, all while running Oreo.
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It wasnt for you but in general, there are more users complaining about it. I tested oreo without rooting and it lags as hell. You can even check comparison videos too... this topic is about having lag issues so I gave you an answer, go back to nougat.

survivor_evil said:
It wasnt for you but in general, there are more users complaining about it. I tested oreo without rooting and it lags as hell. You can even check comparison videos too... this topic is about having lag issues so I gave you an answer, go back to nougat.
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I told you the first time you mentioned that "solution" , Nougat isn't an option for me and shouldn't be because I'm pretty sure I made it clear Oreo wasn't the problem. I even made it clear I basically solved my issue before your first foray into this thread.
I made it clear again in my last post.
I really don't care if there are comparison videos, I have absolutely zero lag if I'm unrooted. That is what this topic is about, lag caused by root. Those who actually spend the time to read more than the topic title can understand that. I've been working with electronics for a long long time, I know how to diagnose everything and I think I made that pretty clear by providing updates as I did things. If not for the fact the thing is all setup and running great, I'd wager I could go back to Nougat and still have root lag issues. The 6P and the 5X for that matter, are ticking time bombs. They both have hardware defects that basically turn them into fancy paperweights. Those defects could be causing my issues, your issues, and edda's issues. No real way to tell that until the bootloops or early shutdowns start. I'm of course hoping this late in the game that maybe those of us with still functioning units don't have those issues, but my gut tells me it's always a "time will tell" issue.

RockwellB1 said:
I told you the first time you mentioned that "solution" , Nougat isn't an option for me and shouldn't be because I'm pretty sure I made it clear Oreo wasn't the problem. I even made it clear I basically solved my issue before your first foray into this thread.
I made it clear again in my last post.
I really don't care if there are comparison videos, I have absolutely zero lag if I'm unrooted. That is what this topic is about, lag caused by root. Those who actually spend the time to read more than the topic title can understand that. I've been working with electronics for a long long time, I know how to diagnose everything and I think I made that pretty clear by providing updates as I did things. If not for the fact the thing is all setup and running great, I'd wager I could go back to Nougat and still have root lag issues. The 6P and the 5X for that matter, are ticking time bombs. They both have hardware defects that basically turn them into fancy paperweights. Those defects could be causing my issues, your issues, and edda's issues. No real way to tell that until the bootloops or early shutdowns start. I'm of course hoping this late in the game that maybe those of us with still functioning units don't have those issues, but my gut tells me it's always a "time will tell" issue.
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If that was a hardware issue Id be having it with other versions of android but no, only oreo. And everything points out that oreo is the issue. Not only me but all the users posting videos and on forums

survivor_evil said:
Oreo is crap on the nexus 6p. Seems.like google is slowing it down. Not only on the operating sysyem but also on its latest apps. The latest version of maps is too laggy but the one that comes with nougat is smooth. Thats why i went back to nougat is lile heaven and hell. Shame on goole being thay oreo runs very good on the 5x but not the 6p
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I agree with you on that. I have had much better luck running Pure Nexus over any other rom.
Chris

RockwellB1 said:
Yeah, removing root instantly fixed the issues for me. I made sure to clear cache and everything like that from recovery too. I'm still unlocked and using TWRP with Elementalx, setup however I like. I just can't root. Soon as I do I can actually feel a little slowdown in using the phone, and then after a day or so the horrible lag with freezing and stuff starts.
Not sure about using a custom ROM since like I said I didn't try it on this phone. My original 6P didn't have any of these issues and I could root, ROM, and modify my heart out.
So to recap, currently and since my last actual update here basically, I've been unlocked, using elementalx and TWRP, but running stock October 2018 Oreo ROM and all that. I used adb commands to get Greenify setup as close to root settings as possible, and to install some Pixel stuff to get night light and whatnot. Got immersive mode by using systemuituner app. And a couple other things to get it as close to how my original 6P was on Pure Nexus.
Hope this helps. I'll be glad to provide anything else I can.
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I had problems similar to this and found out it was the immersive mode causing it, activating it with any app caused problems. If you download terminal emulator and use some commands that can be found elsewhere in the Nexus 6p part of the forum it works fine. Hope this helps. Currently on Resurrection remix with magisk installed. Running smooth as butter. Just waiting for pie to be more stable now

faybarn said:
I had problems similar to this and found out it was the immersive mode causing it, activating it with any app caused problems. If you download terminal emulator and use some commands that can be found elsewhere in the Nexus 6p part of the forum it works fine. Hope this helps. Currently on Resurrection remix with magisk installed. Running smooth as butter. Just waiting for pie to be more stable now
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Thanks but I wasn't even messing with immersive mode at the time. Or are you saying just having it present because I made uituner visible in settings that it might have been causing it?
My issue very much seems to be straight up linked to rooting. If I used magisk or SuperSU (really the only two I'm willing to trust) I'd notice the phone felt sluggish soon as it would reboot after rooting with them. It wasn't a huge slowdown though so I thought nothing of it, until the horrible lag/freezing issues started usually within the day. Remove root, and everything went back to normal.
I've since been using immersive mode without any issue, but of course I gave up on root.
And yeah, I hear ya on Pie. Soon as it becomes stable enough I'll be testing it out. I had 8.1 running on my Note 4, just sold it about a month ago, and it was running great. Only minor issues that were still being worked on. Being a Nexus though I have high hopes this'll be a bit easier to port to.

buchananchris said:
I agree with you on that. I have had much better luck running Pure Nexus over any other rom.
Chris
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Im talking about pure oreo on the nexus 6p. Ive installed it many times thinking coukd be a bad installation but its just that oreo is crap on the nexus 6p. I went back to nougat and its working like a charm again.