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My disappointment with Sprint and with HTC

I don't know if this is worthy of a new thread or not, if you guys find it not to be then you can delete it. I just wanted to post this so that i can vent my anger out on Sprint and no one besides you guys at XDA would probably care. I am very upset with Sprint and all of their products that i have so far. I got into the smartphone scene with a palm and i had that for quite a while, things worked great on it. Then i made the switch to the HTC Diamond. I was excited for the phone until i got it. It had a huge battery problem, i would probably get 5 hours most on the phone, and it lagged severely. To me, that is a huge problem so if i were with Sprint and HTC i would have fixed that right away. But, alas sprint is not that kind of company, so they left it. Thanks to the developers, they fixed Sprint and HTCs problem.
I then switched to the HTC Hero, again i was very excited for this phone and i saved for quite a while to purchase it. But again, when i got it i was disappointed. The phone lagged more than i expected and again, there was a battery issue. HTC get the hint already, fix your battery scripting. So i did the most sensible thing, i rooted my phone and upgraded with developer roms because it seems developers care more than Sprint.
Now i sit here waiting for Android 2.1 which sprint promises that they will release. I hear so many dates, first one said it was suppose to be released on March 23 and now i hear April 9th. And to make matters even worse, they are now releasing 2 new phones to their lineup. I am excited for these new phones, the nexus one and the EVO, but what the heck sprint, fix your current problems!
I am very interested in the EVO, from what i read, it is suppose to have quite a few cool things. But, i am not going to let the appearance fool me, this phone seems so powerful that sprint isnt gonna be able to handle it and they will release some great looking phone with a ton of problems, and instead of fixing these problems, they'll probably just try to push another phone on us. The Evo says it will have an 8 megapixel camera, seems impressive but the Hero has a 5 megapixel camera, that honestly, is **** without some tweeking to it. So i think an 8 megapixel camera will probably be the same with no fix from sprint or htc. Next, they promise a great processor, this sounds good but to me it sounds like another phone with 5 hours of battery life. I may be wrong but so far htc's previous products are all the same in this field.
I may just ranting but i really needed to get this out, i still don't know why i stick with sprint and htc, i guess i am loyal and i have faith that one day they will listen to their customers and fix their stuff. I don't know if anyone else feels this way too but this is what i have noticed since i got onboard with htc and sprint.

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haha thats great, thanks i need that, haha. if crying gets things fixed with these companies then i am there.

I would imagine that all smartphone get terrible battery life. They are basically pocket-sized computers. It's not just HTC's. They improved the Hero a ton with the US version compared to the Euro one. Maybe switching to a non-smartphone might be your option? I don't know. I can tell you that with 2.1, our Heroes will have better battery life once we get the update. Because these leaked ROMs already do. Anyways, I don't really think Sprint is the problem with the phone. They are just the carrier minus the few apps they install. Do you live in a spot that has good coverage from Sprint? Because I will tell you this...If you have bad coverage, you won't get good battery life. Maybe switching carriers would help. Just my opinion.
-Ken

if you're not satisfied..then go get yourself an iPhone.....end of thread..

well one reason i was upset is with the diamond i had about 4 hours to 5 hours with the phone, sleep or active. I then learned about rooting the phone and i installed a rom that fixed that problem. so my guess was it was some type of scripting error that the companies just never got around to fixing. And i live in AZ, sprint and verizon have the best coverage, the rest suck out here so i wouldnt consider any of them.

What kind of battery problem are you having with the hero? I can easily get through the day on a charge most of the time.
And even when I can't, keeping a second usb cable at my office so I can plug in there every now and then isn't a big deal. I consider it more than a fair trade-off for being able to carry that much computing power in my pocket.
It wasn't all that many years ago that I owned a desktop computer that had a slower processor, less ram, less storage, crappier screen and MUCH slower internet access than what my hero has.
I really don't understand why so many people ***** about "only" one day of battery life. What's so freakin' inconvenient about having your phone plugged in while you sleep?
Hell, when I carried a Treo 650 I had to have my phone plus two spare batteries fully charged when I left the house in the morning if I expected to get through just to the end of the workday. Didn't really bother me, it's just the trade-off I had to make to have the capabilities that it gave me.
It's just basic physics. More processing power uses more electricity. More functionality means that processing power is being utilized even when you're not using the phone. That also costs electricity. Larger screen, you guessed it, needs more electricity. And yet people still demand that their phones be slim and sexy.
You want a phone that does all this cool ****? Well, then be prepared to plug it in every once in awhile. If they made these things with the ability to go 17 days between charges they'd have to be the size of a phone book to accomodate the battery.

someonenewhere said:
if you're not satisfied..then go get yourself an iPhone.....end of thread..
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No reason to be short, I am glad to hear others opinions on Sprint and HTC in general.
On another note, I could never be more satisfied with my phone, rom, battery life, stability, coverage, and rate plan.
Except Im switching to Evo. Lol!

This shows the value and worth of the developer forum. If it had not have been for the developer forums I would have stopped getting smartphones a long time ago.

someonenewhere said:
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Find me one that says "would you like CHEESE with that WHINE?" Lol
Btah
Im sorry experience is so horrible. I dont reccomend an iphone, however, perhaps live with it until Evo or N1? Im quite sure whatever phone you chose will have as many bad reports as good. Keep your chin up kid, this is Android!

well with the hero i had alright battery life, i would get 8 hours to 10 hours until i rooted and switched to the roms which get me a days worth and that is more than enough for me. And i am glad opinions can be shot down with a "purchase the iphone," seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone

ruben8448 said:
well with the hero i had alright battery life, i would get 8 hours to 10 hours until i rooted and switched to the roms which get me a days worth and that is more than enough for me. And i am glad opinions can be shot down with a "purchase the iphone," seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone
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My friend, opinions can only be shot down if you let them. Dont feed those trolls, theyll evwntually go away.
Like I said, im sorry to hear your experience has been so bad, but I doubt youll find better.
Besides, the Hero is the hottest topic at any dinner table, with just the name alone.
"what kind of phone do you have?"
"oh, this old thing? this is the HERO!"

ruben8448 said:
well with the hero i had alright battery life, i would get 8 hours to 10 hours until i rooted and switched to the roms which get me a days worth and that is more than enough for me. And i am glad opinions can be shot down with a "purchase the iphone," seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone
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iphone isn't a bad device, it's popular for a reason. It just wasn't for me. I've generally had good experiences with my hero. Mostly because of xda and a lot of my own work on roms. Android really is an excellent operating platform.

ruben8448 said:
seems like anyones solution to anything is an iphone
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Well, to be fair, it is what everything seems to get compared to.
In all honesty after having carried one for two years, I have to say it's a great phone for its target audience. It's a reasonably capable smartphone that "just works". For non-geeks who want a phone that does all the "cool stuff", I think it's a good fit.
For people like me and the others who seek out forums like this one, it's just about the most frustrating damn phone in the world, though. It sucks having all that processing power in your fingertips but not being able to utilize it fully because Apple has the iPhone ecosystem locked down so tight. Not to mention that if I wanted to write my own software for it, I had to go out and buy a Mac! I had my first basic Android app loaded and running on my hero the same night I brought it home.
As far as your frustration with Sprint and HTC being slow with updates.... Just throw a 2.1 rom from this forum on it and stop worrying. I'm running DamageControl on mine, and I can honestly say I'm not the least bit interested in the official 2.1 update from sprint. There's nothing interesting even rumored to be in it that I don't already have.

Thanks, trust me, i love the hero. And i love XDA, i enjoy coming on this website to find what cool new roms are out and testing them. I think that the EVO may be an even better dinner table discussion, i can picture it now, "hey, is that an HDMI cable input?" "Oh this old thing, yea it is" haha

ruben8448 said:
Thanks, trust me, i love the hero. And i love XDA, i enjoy coming on this website to find what cool new roms are out and testing them. I think that the EVO may be an even better dinner table discussion, i can picture it now, "hey, is that an HDMI cable input?" "Oh this old thing, yea it is" haha
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Well first I am sure Sprint is trying to work with HTC to fix all the bugs in 2.1. Other phones like Motorola Droid do not come with the sense UI, so HTC needs to have time to incorporate that. I am sure the original date may have been March 23, but like everyone knows some deadlines cant be met. We are not even supposed to know it was to be released that day or April 9. Someone leaks this information and that causes all the problems. Most of the time they dont even know a release date until all the beta testing is done. Stop paying attention to the dates people post. Plus if Sprint released this with bugs everyone would complain. i know one time with the HTC Touch Pro sprint released a ROM early and had to recall it. I dont think they want to do that sort of thing again.
For battery life, get an extended battery. The Sprint Hero uses the same has the HTC TP2 battery and they have a 2000mah battery that is the same size as stock for like $10 and its 500mah more.
As for technology, once you buy the Evo, it will be outdated just like the Hero. Thats part of technology life. be happy if you get 6 month out of your device before there is a better replacement.

subliminalurge said:
Well, to be fair, it is what everything seems to get compared to.
In all honesty after having carried one for two years, I have to say it's a great phone for its target audience. It's a reasonably capable smartphone that "just works". For non-geeks who want a phone that does all the "cool stuff", I think it's a good fit.
For people like me and the others who seek out forums like this one, it's just about the most frustrating damn phone in the world, though. It sucks having all that processing power in your fingertips but not being able to utilize it fully because Apple has the iPhone ecosystem locked down so tight. Not to mention that if I wanted to write my own software for it, I had to go out and buy a Mac! I had my first basic Android app loaded and running on my hero the same night I brought it home.
As far as your frustration with Sprint and HTC being slow with updates.... Just throw a 2.1 rom from this forum on it and stop worrying. I'm running DamageControl on mine, and I can honestly say I'm not the least bit interested in the official 2.1 update from sprint. There's nothing interesting even rumored to be in it that I don't already have.
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Amen. The only way to beat open scource, is to have created the open scource (google, thaose bastards!)
I am apparently the only one without the google sign in error on dcv1...get me my constant trackball, and ill take off and never come back!
..........until evo is released.
Who will chant it with me? C'mon, lemme hear it!
Snapdragon!
Snapdragon!
Snapdragon!
Snap...no one?
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dwertz said:
be happy if you get 6 month out of your device before there is a better replacement.
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6 months?
I've had my hero for just over 2 weeks now, and in that time it's been officially announced that the N1 and EVO are on their way to Sprint.
I couldn't wait any longer, though. My wife and I have been doing without cell phones for awhile since we moved to a new town. I now live a 5 mile drive from even the slightest hint of an AT&T signal, not a good deal for our iPhones. I've been holding out to see what got announced this spring, but nobody was saying anything and impatience finally got the better of me and I decided the Hero would be "just fine". (Which worked out, because none of the announced phones will be on the shelf soon enough that I could have waited anyway.)

dwertz said:
Well first I am sure Sprint is trying to work with HTC to fix all the bugs in 2.1. Other phones like Motorola Droid do not come with the sense UI, so HTC needs to have time to incorporate that. I am sure the original date may have been March 23, but like everyone knows some deadlines cant be met. We are not even supposed to know it was to be released that day or April 9. Someone leaks this information and that causes all the problems. Most of the time they dont even know a release date until all the beta testing is done. Stop paying attention to the dates people post. Plus if Sprint released this with bugs everyone would complain. i know one time with the HTC Touch Pro sprint released a ROM early and had to recall it. I dont think they want to do that sort of thing again.
For battery life, get an extended battery. The Sprint Hero uses the same has the HTC TP2 battery and they have a 2000mah battery that is the same size as stock for like $10 and its 500mah more.
As for technology, once you buy the Evo, it will be outdated just like the Hero. Thats part of technology life. be happy if you get 6 month out of your device before there is a better replacement.
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The Definitive Android 2.1 Upgrade Chart - Updated With User Interfaces

Alright, like everyone else, I have grown tired of all the complaining about the 2.1 update. Yes, I would love to get my hands on the official update as I feel our 2.1 leak was pretty buggy. The devs have done great with what they have to work with, and I love running 2.1 even with some of the quirks that are inherent to a hacked ROM.
What I don't get is how everyone can be so upset with Sprint. Personally, I am on Sprint because they are cheap, and offer good cell phone service where I live. That's it. If you are upset with your carrier (as I was with my extremely high bills on Verizon) then buy out your contract and go to another carrier. However, don't expect that you will get your magical 2.1 upgrade any sooner with any other carrier.
Do most people realize that there is not a single Android phone for sale in America that has ever been upgraded to 2.1 from 1.5 or 1.6? In fact, there are only three phones that have ever even received an Android OS upgrade at all. The T-Mobile G1 (1.0-1.6), the T-Mobile myTouch 3G (1.5-1.6), and the Motorola Droid (2.0-2.1). That's it people.
For all the people blaming Sprint, HTC, or even Sense for how long it's taking them, look around. The T-Mobile G1 and myTouch3G both came out before the Hero, both run vanilla Andoid, and neither of them have been upgraded to 2.1. Just look at all the phones that are still running 1.5 and 1.6.
Personally, I think it will be hilarious if Sprint is the first carrier in America to upgrade a phone from 1.5 to 2.1. If this upgrade happens soon, this will certainly be the case. I just don't get how people can be so upset that we don't have the official 2.1 yet when there are only three phones that have it (two of which launched with it, and one of which launched with 2.0).
I apologize for making a new thread, but I wanted the chart below to have it's own space, and I didn't want it to get buried in one of the many other 2.1 threads. I believe this chart contains every Android phone available on one of the 4 major carriers in America. I compiled this list using wikipedia, so I didn't verify that it is 100% valid. I listed only phones available in America, and cleaned up the formatting to make it useful. Enjoy.
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I Gotta say that no one should be PO'D at Sprint,HTC or any other company for that matter, Sprint is the Best carrier I've been. Quit whining 2.1 will arrive before you all know it. Shut up root your hero while you still can flash a custom 2.1 rom and be happy. i Know im not gonna to upgrade to the official release. Ill wait to one my fav dev's puts out a 2.1 rom based off the otw upgrade with all fat trimmed off so it runs the way it should. So everybody behave your selves the upgrade from sprint will come no doubt, then you can go back to whining about how laggy and buggy your 2.1 hero is.
As for me Im gonna flash toast's new one fresh-toast 1.1, oh maybe something from damageless, oh hey darchstar's got a new one wow decision, decisions, lol

Thanks for doing this.
This definitively shows that the problem is not with Sprint and that manufacturers seem to have decided that there is no benefit to them whatsoever to supporting existing customers. Google is also failing to get the situation under control.
"Want the latest version of Android? Pay up."
That's what this chart says to me, loud and clear.

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I agree upgrade to the latest EVO 4G anyone
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I agree that people should stop whining about 2.1, it's more annoying than the 2.1 posts.

I guess my personal aggravation is the fact that it seems if you don't have the latest and greatest phone through your carrier's catalog you seem to just be cast in the corner. Was it not just 5 months ago the Hero was the savior and pride and joy of sprint's network and now with the evo on its way it's as if were the red headed child sitting in the corner. I agree that when it comes it comes but I just don't like the feel a company gives when they do something like that. Yes market and pay attention to your new toy but don't forget your loyal followers and their needs when we're locked in to at least 12 months with a phone you just called the greatest thing since the last big hit.

Its always been the same with every OS and every carrier. I remember being wint Windows same thing, these company make the money in the hardware not software therefore it's no business sense to give a great deal of support for older hardware. The truth of the matter is that for companies like HTC, people will continue to purchase the latest, even after all the waiting on the Hero most people will still go out and get the Evo. The only company making great support is Apple.

DR.mobbfigga said:
I Gotta say that no one should be PO'D at Sprint,HTC or any other company for that matter, Sprint is the Best carrier I've been. Quit whining 2.1 will arrive before you all know it. Shut up root your hero while you still can flash a custom 2.1 rom and be happy. i Know im not gonna to upgrade to the official release. Ill wait to one my fav dev's puts out a 2.1 rom based off the otw upgrade with all fat trimmed off so it runs the way it should. So everybody behave your selves the upgrade from sprint will come no doubt, then you can go back to whining about how laggy and buggy your 2.1 hero is.
As for me Im gonna flash toast's new one fresh-toast 1.1, oh maybe something from damageless, oh hey darchstar's got a new one wow decision, decisions, lol
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X2 This is what I think too.

ziggy682 said:
Alright, like everyone else, I have grown tired of all the complaining about the 2.1 update. Yes, I would love to get my hands on the official update as I feel our 2.1 leak was pretty buggy. The devs have done great with what they have to work with, and I love running 2.1 even with some of the quirks that are inherent to a hacked ROM.
What I don't get is how everyone can be so upset with Sprint. Personally, I am on Sprint because they are cheap, and offer good cell phone service where I live. That's it. If you are upset with your carrier (as I was with my extremely high bills on Verizon) then buy out your contract and go to another carrier. However, don't expect that you will get your magical 2.1 upgrade any sooner with any other carrier.
Do most people realize that there is not a single Android phone for sale in America that has ever been upgraded to 2.1 from 1.5 or 1.6? In fact, there are only three phones that have ever even received an Android OS upgrade at all. The T-Mobile G1 (1.0-1.6), the T-Mobile myTouch 3G (1.5-1.6), and the Motorola Droid (2.0-2.1). That's it people.
For all the people blaming Sprint, HTC, or even Sense for how long it's taking them, look around. The T-Mobile G1 and myTouch3G both came out before the Hero, both run vanilla Andoid, and neither of them have been upgraded to 2.1. Just look at all the phones that are still running 1.5 and 1.6.
Personally, I think it will be hilarious if Sprint is the first carrier in America to upgrade a phone from 1.5 to 2.1. If this upgrade happens soon, this will certainly be the case. I just don't get how people can be so upset that we don't have the official 2.1 yet when there are only three phones that have it (two of which launched with it, and one of which launched with 2.0).
I apologize for making a new thread, but I wanted the chart below to have it's own space, and I didn't want it to get buried in one of the many other 2.1 threads. I believe this chart contains every Android phone available on one of the 4 major carriers in America. I compiled this list using wikipedia, so I didn't verify that it is 100% valid. I listed only phones available in America, and cleaned up the formatting to make it useful. Enjoy.
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sprint still sucks Di** in my opinion, 2.1 or not

I will tell you why I am upset with sprint over this. It's because sprint in conjunction with HTC and Samsung decided back late last year that instead of doing maintenance updates to fix the known issues with both phones they would upgrade the phones to 2.1 and include the fixes then. This certainly implied some urgency on their part. But apparently none of the companies involved put enough resources into the upgrade. Also this fantasy of doing both phones at the same time tells me they are not interested in getting the updates out as soon as they are available because someone might be upset if one gets done before the other.
I rooted back in Jan and my phone works great. But I also expect when I buy a premium phone that it is supported properly by Sprint and the phone manufactures. If they can't do that then they have failed. I don't care if no other phone has been upgraded to 2.1. Every other carrier in the US has a phone that runs 2.1 yet sprint can't even give us a date to have that option. They have really screwed this up.

Crash83 said:
I guess my personal aggravation is the fact that it seems if you don't have the latest and greatest phone through your carrier's catalog you seem to just be cast in the corner. Was it not just 5 months ago the Hero was the savior and pride and joy of sprint's network and now with the evo on its way it's as if were the red headed child sitting in the corner. I agree that when it comes it comes but I just don't like the feel a company gives when they do something like that. Yes market and pay attention to your new toy but don't forget your loyal followers and their needs when we're locked in to at least 12 months with a phone you just called the greatest thing since the last big hit.
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Always seems like putting money in a salespersons hand causes them amnesia....
Just think of SPRINT as a REALLY BIG salesperson

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Always seems like putting money in a salespersons hand causes them amnesia....
Just think of SPRINT as a REALLY BIG salesperson
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Well since I don't go to salespersons who don't in some way look after my interests that would mean that I wouldn't go back to Sprint. I have no intention of doing that. Sprint provides a quality service at an affordable price. They just can't afford to continue to make mistakes like this or they will continue their decline until they are out of business and I don't want to see that happen.

it's the old "fire and forget" routine.

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"Want the latest version of Android? Pay up."
That's what this chart says to me, loud and clear.
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How?????
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I updated the chart with the type of custom user interfaces run on the various phones in case it has any effect on rolling out OS upgrades.

Ziggy,
Excellent points, thanks for the perspective

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Ziggy,
Excellent points, thanks for the perspective
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Thanks for that.
Completely off topic, but has anyone ever actually had to say "TouchWiz" out loud to someone?
Talk about the worst product name ever. I don't think I could buy a phone with that UI on it, simply because I would be too embarrassed to actually tell anyone that I was playing with my "TouchWiz".

raylusk said:
I will tell you why I am upset with sprint over this. It's because sprint in conjunction with HTC and Samsung decided back late last year that instead of doing maintenance updates to fix the known issues with both phones they would upgrade the phones to 2.1 and include the fixes then. This certainly implied some urgency on their part. But apparently none of the companies involved put enough resources into the upgrade. Also this fantasy of doing both phones at the same time tells me they are not interested in getting the updates out as soon as they are available because someone might be upset if one gets done before the other.
I rooted back in Jan and my phone works great. But I also expect when I buy a premium phone that it is supported properly by Sprint and the phone manufactures. If they can't do that then they have failed. I don't care if no other phone has been upgraded to 2.1. Every other carrier in the US has a phone that runs 2.1 yet sprint can't even give us a date to have that option. They have really screwed this up.
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What the hell? AT&Fee doesn't have a 2.1 device and neither does T-Mobile really. They have the Nexus One, but it is not sold in stores and with all the hardware and software issues, it's not worth mentioning. The only carrier with any 2.1 devices is Verizon and that is just as of now. The MT3G, EVO, and other devices are well on the way.

think of it this way... you're gonna want to run Froyo when it comes out anyway & NO WAY is Sprint or HTC gonna bother with an official upgrade for that. They'll be pushing the EVO/Next Big Thing. Thank goodness for the great developers working on stuff here.

Google stepping up/fragmentation

I like my EVO very much, best device that I had and last me more then any other phone in the market(besides iPhone) and there is one thing the bugs the hell out of me tho and is fragmentation, specially this week, we got another EVO, epic and a shift 4G(all good phones btw) in our family but since I rooted mine and I was running cm7 and the stock Evo has sense so I forgot how different they are when you use them, trying to explain something was a pain in the butt so I have to flash a sense rom to give them the right direction(person the got the EVO came from blackberry and he was lost of what to do) , well after that I'm at work and someone had a mytouch (original) and still diference , the worse part is the moto, Sammy and HTC all use different layout in buttons! Why don't they have a set up one for all Google devices? ?? I mean the EVO makes more sense to me but for my friend thinks the epic does, this is something the Google should have control from the beggining, like I said I love Android but some stuff needs to changed
I have an iPhone3GS as well and if a iPhone 4 user asked me about settings or set ups is the same but if someone ask me how to use the mail app in HTC EVO with sense is different from the email app he aosp roms come with, I know how to do it no problem for me but a lot new comers are having problem with this kind of problems . I help that much the I can
And lets no talk about updates to new version cause that's another crazy topic, man the hero got 2.1 after almost 6 months and that was it, the epic (power phone) got official froyo 6 months later, and all those little android devices lmade by LG, Samsung, etc will probably never get froyo or gingerbread .
Anyways Gizmodo just published this article about Android fragmentation and it looks like finally Google will work on it
http://m.gizmodo.com/5787565/google-finally-fights-back-against-android-fragmentation
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Man I hope so.
I have no problems with putting a "skin" over top of android, but, it HAS to be a limit. This is a prefect way for Google to slap back at the companies that are or are getting ready to lock their phones down (HTC! ><).
It is definitely getting out of hand and needs to be put in check for the sake of Android.

Rippley05 said:
Man I hope so.
I have no problems with putting a "skin" over top of android, but, it HAS to be a limit. This is a prefect way for Google to slap back at the companies that are or are getting ready to lock their phones down (HTC! ><).
It is definitely getting out of hand and needs to be put in check for the sake of Android.
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The skin is all good but like tethering it should be free for all froyo and all carriers block it, 4G tethering is nice when it works but I do t use it enough to pay so that's one of the reason I rooted
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I don't really see your argument. Yeah fragmentation sucks, but to the average Joe it doesn't mattter. The example you used of your rooted EVO was terrible. Your EVO, had it not been modified by you would look and be exactly the same as your friends brand new EVO.
The majority of people don't even know what version of Android their phone is running. They don't even know there is a new version available until their phone tells them its time to update.
Androids fragmentation has improved greatly with the release of froyo. It becomes a double edged sword when it comes to OEMs having the ability to modify Android. It gives us consumers choice, at the expense of receiving slower updates. The problem is people need to vote with their wallets if they want change. People are voting with their wallets because they are buying phones with motoblur, sense, and touchwiz.
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Rem3Dy said:
I don't really see your argument. Yeah fragmentation sucks, but to the average Joe it doesn't mattter. The example you used of your rooted EVO was terrible. Your EVO, had it not been modified by you would look and be exactly the same as your friends brand new EVO.
The majority of people don't even know what version of Android their phone is running. They don't even know there is a new version available until their phone tells them its time to update.
Androids fragmentation has improved greatly with the release of froyo. It becomes a double edged sword when it comes to OEMs having the ability to modify Android. It gives us consumers choice, at the expense of receiving slower updates. The problem is people need to vote with their wallets if they want change. People are voting with their wallets because they are buying phones with motoblur, sense, and touchwiz.
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People are buying phones with motoblur, sense and touchwiz because for the majority.. that's all there is.
Where are the phones with Vanilla Android? Not everyone has access to a Nexus S or even knows what the difference is. That is definitely why Google needs to step in and show what Android really is.
Skins/UI's are fine and choice is always great. It just needs to be done in a cleaner, less bloated way. I really hope google reins it in a little bit..

jgalan14 said:
I like my EVO very much, best device that I had and last me more then any other phone in the market(besides iPhone) and there is one thing the bugs the hell out of me tho and is fragmentation, specially this week, we got another EVO, epic and a shift 4G(all good phones btw) in our family but since I rooted mine and I was running cm7 and the stock Evo has sense so I forgot how different they are when you use them, trying to explain something was a pain in the butt so I have to flash a sense rom to give them the right direction(person the got the EVO came from blackberry and he was lost of what to do) , well after that I'm at work and someone had a mytouch (original) and still diference , the worse part is the moto, Sammy and HTC all use different layout in buttons! Why don't they have a set up one for all Google devices? ?? I mean the EVO makes more sense to me but for my friend thinks the epic does, this is something the Google should have control from the beggining, like I said I love Android but some stuff needs to changed
I have an iPhone3GS as well and if a iPhone 4 user asked me about settings or set ups is the same but if someone ask me how to use the mail app in HTC EVO with sense is different from the email app he aosp roms come with, I know how to do it no problem for me but a lot new comers are having problem with this kind of problems . I help that much the I can
And lets no talk about updates to new version cause that's another crazy topic, man the hero got 2.1 after almost 6 months and that was it, the epic (power phone) got official froyo 6 months later, and all those little android devices lmade by LG, Samsung, etc will probably never get froyo or gingerbread .
Anyways Gizmodo just published this article about Android fragmentation and it looks like finally Google will work on it
http://m.gizmodo.com/5787565/google-finally-fights-back-against-android-fragmentation
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actually, from home screen, menu button, settings, scroll to accounts/sync enter it in the same way on every phone

Rem3Dy said:
People are voting with their wallets because they are buying phones with motoblur, sense, and touchwiz.
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normally, I would agree with this statement, except this:
MOST people don't choose to go to a carrier because of a phone (or skin on said phone), they already have a carrier they have a relationship with, and get whatever phone the rep says is "the best thing right now", and "hey, it's an android!", without knowing what that really means.
then they often find that the phone they purchased has very little in common with their friends android, diminishing the inclusiveness a shared brand should have. (think iphone) among other things mentioned previously like support, updates, etc.
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Yeah well is just diferrent stuff Guys be open minded on what people wants, I know most here like to work for our phone and I say this cause we flash, modify, and do all sort of crazy stuff and I like it but no everyone is like that some people want something the works for them, a smartphone should help you to make your life easier and replace multiple devices, books and sometimes aagendas and to get this experience right Google needs to step up and make it happen(gingerbread got the copy and paste updated and works better then froyo or eclair) , HTC is clearly the first one going the right direction with sense and then everybody thought they have something better like motoblur and touchwiz and just makes a lot difference for the user using it , Google needs to drive they experience and should make sure manufactures updates their devices the way everyone has the great experience that we (xda users do)
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...MOST people don't choose to go to a carrier because of a phone....
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I agree, except, what about all the zombies that jumped ship to AT&T for the iphone just to have a terrible network and pay too much?

jgalan14 said:
I like my EVO very much, best device that I had and last me more then any other phone in the market(besides iPhone) and there is one thing the bugs the hell out of me tho and is fragmentation, specially this week, we got another EVO, epic and a shift 4G(all good phones btw) in our family but since I rooted mine and I was running cm7 and the stock Evo has sense so I forgot how different they are when you use them, trying to explain something was a pain in the butt so I have to flash a sense rom to give them the right direction(person the got the EVO came from blackberry and he was lost of what to do) , well after that I'm at work and someone had a mytouch (original) and still diference , the worse part is the moto, Sammy and HTC all use different layout in buttons! Why don't they have a set up one for all Google devices? ?? I mean the EVO makes more sense to me but for my friend thinks the epic does, this is something the Google should have control from the beggining, like I said I love Android but some stuff needs to changed
I have an iPhone3GS as well and if a iPhone 4 user asked me about settings or set ups is the same but if someone ask me how to use the mail app in HTC EVO with sense is different from the email app he aosp roms come with, I know how to do it no problem for me but a lot new comers are having problem with this kind of problems . I help that much the I can
And lets no talk about updates to new version cause that's another crazy topic, man the hero got 2.1 after almost 6 months and that was it, the epic (power phone) got official froyo 6 months later, and all those little android devices lmade by LG, Samsung, etc will probably never get froyo or gingerbread .
Anyways Gizmodo just published this article about Android fragmentation and it looks like finally Google will work on it
http://m.gizmodo.com/5787565/google-finally-fights-back-against-android-fragmentation
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I agree, except, what about all the zombies that jumped ship to AT&T for the iphone just to have a terrible network and pay too much?
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Ha ha those are special occasion lmao
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Great news from the One X, Will the One follow?

So the HTC One X (barely one year old) is being 'forgotten' by HTC. It might receive Sense 5, if it's lucky, but anything after that is a no go. Source. There is no reason why, the device is still powerful. Will the HTC One follow this pattern next year? HTC has a history of leaving their devices behind, just looked at any of their previous phones. I really wanted to get the One, but after hearing this bit of news, I suddenly realized why I want to stray away from HTC now. Thoughts?
I'm really considering buying this phone but don't want it to be forgotten next year. I want a phone I can hold onto for a bit. The One, based on history, doesn't seem like it will provide.

Even if it is "forgotten" we have so many great devs that purchased the One so we will more than likely have custom ROMs with the newest software for quite some time.
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Closed Source Project said:
So the HTC One X (barely one year old) is being 'forgotten' by HTC. It might receive Sense 5, if it's lucky, but anything after that is a no go. Source. There is no reason why, the device is still powerful. Will the HTC One follow this pattern next year? HTC has a history of leaving their devices behind, just looked at any of their previous phones. I really wanted to get the One, but after hearing this bit of news, I suddenly realized why I want to stray away from HTC now. Thoughts?
I'm really considering buying this phone but don't want it to be forgotten next year. I want a phone I can hold onto for a bit. The One, based on history, doesn't seem like it will provide.
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when u leave your wife for good, are u still going to support her?

The One X is confirmed officially to be receiving Android 4.2.2 and Sense 5.0 so what is the point of "if it's lucky"
meanwhile no official words about after that

Your phone, when purchased, works fine. Forgotten or not, it does not need an update to the software to work

KLP doesn't even have a release date so its no wonder HTC aren't committing to anything.

hello00 said:
when u leave your wife for good, are u still going to support her?
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Yep... Here in Canada you support until the day you die or you go to jail.
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Closed Source Project said:
So the HTC One X (barely one year old) is being 'forgotten' by HTC. It might receive Sense 5, if it's lucky, but anything after that is a no go. Source. There is no reason why, the device is still powerful. Will the HTC One follow this pattern next year? HTC has a history of leaving their devices behind, just looked at any of their previous phones. I really wanted to get the One, but after hearing this bit of news, I suddenly realized why I want to stray away from HTC now. Thoughts?
I'm really considering buying this phone but don't want it to be forgotten next year. I want a phone I can hold onto for a bit. The One, based on history, doesn't seem like it will provide.
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One X is one year old. It is being updated. next year, it will be two years old and won't be updated, but anyone who bought one the first year it was out will be upgrade eligible that year. Not seeing the huge issue.

Reminds me of my old desire hd which was promised ICS by HTC then decided not to push through with it anyway.

Apple IOS wont forget software update to their old devices(4 or 4s)!! great

ccelis said:
Reminds me of my old desire hd which was promised ICS by HTC then decided not to push through with it anyway.
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yes but the Desire HD got a bucket load of updates, yes the end of the story was bad
but 2011 line up was huge and confusing
this year only one device to focus on
and the One X/S/XL had an amazing record so far and still to come
so really are we complaining for complaining sake?

hamdir said:
yes but the Desire HD got a bucket load of updates, yes the end of the story was bad
but 2011 line up was huge and confusing
this year only one device to focus on
and the One X/S/XL had an amazing record so far and still to come
so really are we complaining for complaining sake?
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I understand you're a fanboy, and I expect that from this forum, I do! The complaint is: HTC is not the best when it comes to updates. You made a great point, however, that the One is their main flagship so far. Whereas, last year, HTC had a pathetic, ridiculous amount of variants for the old One. Hopefully HTC doesn't repeat the same patterns as always and release many not so great phones and forget them.
As far as I am concerned, I am still trying to decide myself between the S4 and the One. I really lost my trust with HTC when I got the One S last year, but it is true that the One S was not the main flagship. I just hope the same issues that plagued me with the One S do not show on the One.

Closed Source Project said:
As far as I am concerned, I am still trying to decide myself between the S4 and the One. I really lost my trust with HTC when I got the One S last year, but it is true that the One S was not the main flagship. I just hope the same issues that plagued me with the One S do not show on the One.
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HTC put a lot more effort behind the One than they have in previous flagships, but even so I bet it will see really overdue updates same as always. The good news is customers in the states can just flash the international ROMs as soon as they are released.
Even so, the One has it's kernel source out there. The phone has been out for less than a month in the U.S. and h8rift already has a CM 10.1 alpha out. Cyanogen himself already bought the phone. There are great Sense 5 ROMs out there as well that run way better than anything HTC would release. You can be sure that there will be ROMs out there for KLP very quickly after it's released. So don't worry too much about the phone becoming obsolete, it won't any time soon. The different versions of the 'One _' handsets made for some fragmented development but that's not an issue with this One

The one S got 3-4 good updates.
I have had no problems with any of the updates, each one brought many improvements I found, only two annoying things, the power saver notification and battery chart change.
There is nothing that I can think of that they could improve even further except for camera quality overall and some other wee things like how you expand notifications, which iirc will be improved with android 4.1.2 Of course sense V5 will bring many "wanted" things, but they aren't "needed"
As said, wait until KLP is out and see what the update actually requires/brings and then see what HTC have to say, for all we know KLP might not come out till November......
Samsung haven't provided 4.2.2/new touchwiz to the GS 3 yet either and I can't see them getting it for at least another 1-2 months, possibly even longer due to how much they have crammed into touchwiz
HTC are actually the best when it comes to updates overall too:
http://readwrite.com/2011/01/14/data-shows-what-manufacturers-and-carriers-delay-android-updates
http://www.techhive.com/article/256...es_do_the_best_job_with_android_updates_.html
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/12/the-checkered-slow-history-of-android-handset-updates/
Yes it is a joke the way that they didn't provide the JB update to the sensation.
Reason HTC didn't go with 4.2 for the one is because it was full of bugs, especially battery drain and plus it would have caused more delays so they stuck with 4.1.2 as it was stable and they could get it sorted out quicker. Supposedly the one X and S will be getting 4.2.2 with sense V5 around June, so the one will/should get that update before then. IMO 4.2.2 is a very minor update and not worth worrying about.
Also, might be worth considering that Samsung have added a ton more stuff to touchwiz now and imo bloated it with a lot of unnecessary stuff and moved further from stock android so updates could take longer where as HTC have moved closer to stock android and sense is less bloated/more minimal than touchwiz now.

Can't believe you even ask this question.. Obviously they will not care about one come next year or may be even 6 months down the line if there is a new flagship.
Sell your current phone buy the new one and move on. Or you have the custom roms if you want to keep the phone for x years.

you guys are forgeting 1 thing regarding HoX , if HTC decides to leave it on JB 4.2.2 and you guys believe you can get sense roms ported ETC you can't because it will most likely need BOOTLOADER UPDATE , without bootloader update you can only dream about getting KLP on HoX if HTC forget about us, i got hox myself and i'll be hugely dissapointed if they drop it with 4.2.2 , simply it has enough ram , more then needed storage , more then needed CPU power and lastly it's a very best 2012 international device.
One thing i must admit , even if they leave us with 4.2.2 it'll have most perfected JB as it already have . compare your HoX vs s3 on JB , the difference is night and day.
However i don't care i'm getting one even if they say it wont get any updates from now on. The design is too damn good to be true , the speed is incredibly and the speakers are strong enough to scare you off each time you receive the msg, or even better in the morning you wont only wake up yourself but your neighbours as well

Shan89 said:
you guys are forgeting 1 thing regarding HoX , if HTC decides to leave it on JB 4.2.2 and you guys believe you can get sense roms ported ETC you can't because it will most likely need BOOTLOADER UPDATE , without bootloader update you can only dream about getting KLP on HoX
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No, it won't need a firmware update to get KLP. The reason it was required, temporarily, was because the firmware had changed and the new Sense kernel relied on those changes. After the source was released, it was all good.

Lg you are a shame !!!!!

I am pissed off by information that LG G4, the 2015 FLAGSHIP DEVICE from lg is not going to get nougat update .... THIS IS SOME JOKE and lg need to get their s*it together ... What the fu*k LG ???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!???
You put your money to software development for some crappy devices (that apparently will have nougat) of yours that are sh*t and you can not update one of the best devices out there .. even now the G4 is more than better device for most of consumers and IT IS A SHAME to leave behind some of the best phones of the 2015.
There is no explanation for this type of behavior and i will never buy LG .. never again .. fu*k that sh*t ...
Such a beautifull and powerfull phones and such a irresponsibility ...

I suggest voicing your opinon on LGs Twitter feed. They care more there.

klurrant said:
I suggest voicing your opinon on LGs Twitter feed. They care more there.
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Then tell me what they answered. Thanks.

if its true no more LG. we should all let them know in their tweeter account.

Lg doesnt care about your opinion. Never did never will.
When will you guys figure that out. They dont want to support the g4. They want you to upgrade. Its the way of the world. You. Me. Us. Were such a small part of lgs sales. They dont care. They dont need to care. Theyre mobile division is so small compared to theyre tv and apliance divisions. So ure not gonna buy another lg u say. Thats fine by them. Some one else will buy it. Then u got nexus line built by lg
In the end is all your doing is stressing yourself out over a dang phone guys.
There is more to the world springs coming for some of us. Be happy to be alive.

I had HTC, Samsung, LG. When I look back I cannot say that ANY of those vendors doing the android job well. On long term they ALL suck. Why?
I hate to say it but just look at apple. What is one main part of its success? Development of Hardware and OS is in the same house. This way they can support 1 hardware over several releases and totally optimized between hw and software.
Now look at android. Google provides the main development part on Android meaning the software part. Then hardware vendors step in and adjust it to their needs. Up to here everything is fine.
But then Google says they stop MM development and then security fixes. Google say that now the hardware vendors are responsible from now on to provide patches and updates.
But here the story does not end. The hardware vendors work together with service providers like Verizon etc. Now the hardware vendor says oh I'm not responsible for those ! Updates and patches for these models should be made by the service providers instead.. Do you see where this ends?
I can totally understand the Google way but this simple does NOT work.
Example: The moment when Google decides to drop support patching MM with security patches. 90% of the hardware vendors and service providers in the world just stop here. Yes not all. Some do it better some worse but !! they all focus on specific hardware devices only so called flagships mainly.
There are good ones like blackberry out there. I see a big chance for them to get those people want to have not the latest major release but long term updated security patches. Even when Google stops to do it. Problem blackberry sold the hardware part to TCL so no one knows how this will end.
The other only chance I see which totally make sense would be using Google hardware. The way began with nexus and now goes to pixel. I believe that if Google provides updates and patches on long term for its own hardware it can be a valid choice .
I hate apple don't get me wrong. But I love the way they are able to provide software releases.
I strongly believe that my next device will be either an upcoming blackberry or the next Google pixel release..
Just my useless 5 cents..
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steadfasterX said:
I hate apple don't get me wrong. But I love the way they are able to provide software releases.
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It's not just Apple - Microsoft are more similar to the Android model (one OS on multiple hardware manufacturers) and when an update is available for Windows, it's available immediately for all installs. Same with games consoles from Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo - no update staggering there either.
When it comes to software updates, Google suck. Not only are updates needlessly staggered, but often features are removed, broken or untested until release then they need to patch it, and given the delays in pushing software updates, many people are left long term with severely bugged software.
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I strongly believe that my next device will be either an upcoming blackberry or the next Google pixel release..
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Luckily for me, I don't hate Apple. Also luckily for me, I realise that I use no feature on my phone which is Android specific. I'm so done with Google that my next device is likely to be an iPhone.

TheMadScientist420 said:
Lg doesnt care about your opinion. Never did never will.
When will you guys figure that out. They dont want to support the g4. They want you to upgrade. Its the way of the world. You. Me. Us. Were such a small part of lgs sales. They dont care. They dont need to care. Theyre mobile division is so small compared to theyre tv and apliance divisions. So ure not gonna buy another lg u say. Thats fine by them. Some one else will buy it. Then u got nexus line built by lg
In the end is all your doing is stressing yourself out over a dang phone guys.
There is more to the world springs coming for some of us. Be happy to be alive.
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whos getting a nexus line,? not me. defenitively and its 2 year update cycle inst over it yet. v10 has it worst.

Let's make dozens of topics with the same posts. It is not over until the fat lady sings. Let's suffocate this topic, LG deserves it. Wait, only users that actually look for useful information will find it difficult with all these topics. Just my 2 (euro) cents.

raptorddd said:
whos getting a nexus line,? not me. defenitively and its 2 year update cycle inst over it yet. v10 has it worst.
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Lol. It is a shame. I hate it too. Im on my sprint g4 still on lolipop just so i can have root. Ill never buy a nexus again either. Had to many probs. I guess i came off too strong i wasnt tryin to be rude to no one just state a fact that lg doesnt care about you me or any one other than their greedy selfs

LG, the company i wish i could trust... hmmmm ?

TheMadScientist420 said:
Lol. It is a shame. I hate it too. Im on my sprint g4 still on lolipop just so i can have root. Ill never buy a nexus again either. Had to many probs. I guess i came off too strong i wasnt tryin to be rude to no one just state a fact that lg doesnt care about you me or any one other than their greedy selfs
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agree. they dont care.. not sure if stopped development for G4 would bring more money then no more people choosing LG.

Well, I guess my G4 bootlooped just in time. Just about time to look to other manufacturers. Jokes aside, even if this is not true, I don't think I'll be getting an LG device any time soon. I'm really tempted to explore other options, since my last 2 devices were LG-made.

linasj said:
Well, I guess my G4 bootlooped just in time. Just about time to look to other manufacturers. Jokes aside, even if this is not true, I don't think I'll be getting an LG device any time soon. I'm really tempted to explore other options, since my last 2 devices were LG-made.
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I got me a note5 ive been sportin. And i wish it had knock on but other than that i love it. At least samsung owned up to their mistakes and did somethin bout it. Again not much dev for the sprint model but a new note 7 port came out and just like havin my note7 back but rooted.

Guys, I really don't know now, I just found this:
lge.co.kr/lgekor/main.do , my korean or what the hell this is pretty sht, but google says we will get nougat in Q3, which is pretty damn late if true. I can't make the link clickable so just copy/paste it.

benjybananas said:
Guys, I really don't know now, I just found this:
lge.co.kr/lgekor/main.do , my korean or what the hell this is pretty sht, but google says we will get nougat in Q3, which is pretty damn late if true. I can't make the link clickable so just copy/paste it.
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better late then nothing dont you agree. apparently its true.

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better late then nothing dont you agree. apparently its true.
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Emphasis on the late here, I mean most people - including me - won't have the phone by then, but hey, at least we will have nougat, which will be most probably sh*t, as they referred to it, but it's something.

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Emphasis on the late here, I mean most people - including me - won't have the phone by then, but hey, at least we will have nougat, which will be most probably ****, as they referred to it, but it's something.
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See my chat with LG. They don't even know any news about Nougat update for their phones. I know it for other phone but you can ask them about LG G4 they will give the same answer.
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Emphasis on the late here, I mean most people - including me - won't have the phone by then, but hey, at least we will have nougat, which will be most probably sh*t, as they referred to it, but it's something.
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but most people will have the phone. and for those that still use this phone its good. we will have to wait and see if its unstable as they said.

INFERNO997 said:
I am pissed off by information that LG G4, the 2015 FLAGSHIP DEVICE from lg is not going to get nougat update .... THIS IS SOME JOKE and lg need to get their s*it together ... What the fu*k LG ???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!???
You put your money to software development for some crappy devices (that apparently will have nougat) of yours that are sh*t and you can not update one of the best devices out there .. even now the G4 is more than better device for most of consumers and IT IS A SHAME to leave behind some of the best phones of the 2015.
There is no explanation for this type of behavior and i will never buy LG .. never again .. fu*k that sh*t ...
Such a beautifull and powerfull phones and such a irresponsibility ...
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/general/official-nougat-g4-v10-q2-2017-t3567402