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Samsung has officially confirm that they will not honor any warranty they can see the Knox software being tripped, as in my case today.
They will not replace or repair any phone that has this status on the screen, as this is a directive from Samsung HQ.

Clarification from Samsung UK at last then. Bugger :crying:
Takes UK rooting to a whole new level then, especially with the amount of defective devices there has already been floating around. 0x1 is certainly a risk now more than ever.. especially if they won't fulfil any fixes even if you choose to pay.

samuel clarke said:
Samsung has officially confirm that they will not honor any warranty they can see the Knox software being tripped, as in my case today.
They will not replace or repair any phone that has this status on the screen, as this is a directive from Samsung HQ.
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Any documentation like an email ?
Did you ask for a copy of this "directive from Samsung HQ"? There must be some kind of written documentation ....

Mittaa said:
Any documentation like an email ?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542127
documented in this thread, altho no emails etc, no reason to lie really.
Also, I've come to the conclusion that Samsung do UK repairs through third party shops (from when I looked for one in my city York), therefore they decide on what they will and will not repair given on Samsung's original advice it seems.

Nope direct words from the technical engineer at Samsung service center at Stratford Westfield I also have a the following email.
Regarding your Note 3, we have done some investigating into the fault and it turns out that the device has what we call, been rooted. This means that un official software has been loaded onto the device and in the end this results in the voiding of the warranty.
Please feel free to come and collect the handset but i am sorry to deliver the bad news.
Samsung Store
114 The street
Westfield Stratford City
London
E20 1EJ

OK so what I can gather from this is - Samsung themselves will NOT repair a device even if you try/offer to pay to have it done.
But.... Their third party representative shops seem to be carrying out repairs 0x0 or 0x1 regardless?
That sound about right?

Really? I think EU law would supercede this.

FlamingGoat said:
Really? I think EU law would supercede this.
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Yes, that is true. They cant get away citing Knox. See this
http://matija.suklje.name/rooting-and-flashing-your-device-does-not-void-the-warranty-in-eu

no it can't
just because samsung want it to doesn't mean that it does
european law will take precedence ....you may have to fight for it but they can't refuse to honour the warranty unless they can prove rooting and installing a rom has broken the phone
way to many companies try this on .....(sorry you hav broken this sticker you have voided your warranty) .......not in the uk you don't or the rest of europe for that matter

Sue the bell-ends
Right... this is an ideal case for the UK small claims court. It can all be done online, and the process does work.
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/engla..._e/law_taking_legal_action_e/small_claims.htm
Samsung (and their peers) need to be told that EU law trumps their stupid unfair warranty rules.
The claim will actually be against the retailer, since it is with them that you have a contract, so you need to (rather unfairly) go after the shop or the service provider who sold you the phone.
I believe the process costs around £40, and I dont think you need to attend court in person.
A friend of mine successfully went through this process with the provider Three UK when he couldnt get HTC to repair the camera that had cracked on his phone. He won a judgement against Three for the full (unlocked) value of the handset, and got the money.
If this can be successfully done, and documented, it will start to set a precedent that unrelated hardware faults cannot be excluded from warranty rights (actually statuary rights in the EU) due to rooting, or any other software mod.
I strongly urge you to follow this course, for the good of the many (as well as yourself).
I want to root my Note3, but dare not...
cheers
George
samuel clarke said:
Nope direct words from the technical engineer at Samsung service center at Stratford Westfield I also have a the following email.
Regarding your Note 3, we have done some investigating into the fault and it turns out that the device has what we call, been rooted. This means that un official software has been loaded onto the device and in the end this results in the voiding of the warranty.
Please feel free to come and collect the handset but i am sorry to deliver the bad news.
Samsung Store
114 The street
Westfield Stratford City
London
E20 1EJ
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Is what I said here or in another thread (theres a lot around this currently). The warranty in the UK lays with the seller be it carrier, P4U or CPW or somewhere else. - 9 out of 10 times they'll fix/replace anyway. It's just Samsung themselves that are being stubborn (Samsung don't sell phones directly to consumer in the UK for whatever reason..). - It's all about not taking no for an answer more than anything.

I will write to Samsung UK and give them 14 days to refund the full amount I paid for a new phone. After that I will seek action from a small claims court, lets see what they say now

Good Stuff
samuel clarke said:
I will write to Samsung UK and give them 14 days to refund the full amount I paid for a new phone. After that I will seek action from a small claims court, lets see what they say now
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Good Stuff - please keep us updated on this forum.
Good luck with it
thanks
George

Yup get that letter wrote with the threat of small claims and cite the EU Directive. - get your money back
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Considering the EFS partition on this device is so fragile and will brick if you so much as sneeze on it, I am starting to regret tripping my knox.
Sure Samsung have no right to supersede EU law but you will have to go through so much hassle just to get them to honour their warranty.
Everyday when I use my Note 3 I always expect the WiFi to suddenly stop working, or the IMEI to disappear, or the device to start rebooting randomly. There are just so many reports of these problems randomly happening and add that to Samsung's stupid idea of 0x1 making your warranty invalid, I feel like I have wasted so much money. Sure this is a great device, but for how long will that last!

prank1 said:
Considering the EFS partition on this device is so fragile and will brick if you so much as sneeze on it, I am starting to regret tripping my knox.
Sure Samsung have no right to supersede EU law but you will have to go through so much hassle just to get them to honour their warranty.
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Actually, I think that you're wrong here. You guys in the EU have the advantage that law is on your side. Your disadvantage is that as individuals you're small and inconsequential. Thus Samsung as a Multi-Billion dollar corporation can give each and every one of you sh*t without worrying about it.
You're phone provider, on the other hand, is NOT a small and inconsequential individual. So if you all start to sue P4U or CPW how long do you think it will be before those companies start questioning Samsung?
Especially when the actual text states "Knox Warranty Void" NOT 'Device Warranty Void"
Ultimately this will benefit those who don't have the umbrella of EU law.
Go for it guys

Enough with KNOX already, cripes!

Your factory warranty will not be voided if you simply root you device. A simple OTA update (say too Kit kat, from approved channels) WILL trip KNOX. My wife's stock 8" got the update through Samsung and the fuse tripped. Those of you *****ing about it are going to sure be red when you do update to KitKat and find out its been tripped. I work for a legacy company that only uses secure devices. That's why we have KNOX, its not for a witch hunt to find out who has rooted what and wiggle out of the warranty. Unless you change how the CPU works ( overclocking and such) that can damage the device, that is a different story. But simply rooting without any additional adjustments other than program removal, debloating or changing how buttons work will not void your manufacturers warranty.
This has been bugging me for while.
Sorry.
Back to Star trek.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root
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mk2flip said:
Your factory warranty will not be voided if you simply root you device. A simple OTA update (say too Kit kat, from approved channels) WILL trip KNOX. My wife's stock 8" got the update through Samsung and the fuse tripped. Those of you *****ing about it are going to sure be red when you do update to KitKat and find out its been tripped. I work for a legacy company that only uses secure devices. That's why we have KNOX, its not for a witch hunt to find out who has rooted what and wiggle out of the warranty. Unless you change how the CPU works ( overclocking and such) that can damage the device, that is a different story. But simply rooting without any additional adjustments other than program removal, debloating or changing how buttons work will not void your manufacturers warranty.
This has been bugging me for while.
Sorry.
Back to Star trek.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root
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In download mode it quite clearly reads "warranty is void". Now if that message will be honored by the manufacturer and/or vendor (it) is another story altogether. But as far as the device knows the warranty *is* Void and none of your links deny that.
Now knox , may well have been designed for corporate security, sure, but that doesn't stop Samsung to also use it to deny paying for warranties. You , can call it a scheme as much as you want, but there is not one official source to deny that.
Was the knox wire tripped from official update? Bummer, no warranty for you...

Samsung in Scandinavia (Samsung Nordic office) has confirmed that a tripped knox is auto void warranty ...
A friend of mine works for a major tech importer (they sell to retailers, but also handle a good deal of the warranty shipping/repairs etc) for the scandinavian countries and according to him the support dept is supposed to check if the knox fuse is 0X0 before they do anything with the device. Major bummer!!

Upgrading my Note 3 from stock 4.3 to stock 4.4 most definitely did NOT trip my Knox counter. There would be no reason for that to happen, since Knox checks for non-Samsung firmware, and an update sent out by Samsung is (obviously) Samsung firmware.

A factory update will trip the fuse. Knox is added after the initial os is compiled. The problem is that most service centers or regional Samsung centers don't even really understand what KNOX is for. So when they see it tripped they assume that you did something detrimental to the device. When we purchased 150 s4, 8" and 10" we had a Samsung coporate rep show our staff the many enterprise features that can be implemented on the devices. He's the one that told us that simply a rooted device will not void warranty. We have had over 20 devices covered under warranty by 3 different service centers that have been rooted. Now changing Roms and kernels are a different story, we had warranty rejected by the same regional centers for 3 of our devices that we were doing testing on that had these. We have dealt with this extensively over the last 6 months or so.
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The counter trips when ANYONE attempts to rewrite or change the original firmware, factory or otherwise. This includes updates from Samsung. They don't even have the ability to reset the fuse. It requires surgery on the device.
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This simply isn't true.
The purpose of Knox is not to check for any updates but to check for tampering with the bootloader. I know nothing of the circumstances of your sister's update but numerous people have updated Knox-enabled devices with stock updates and Knox has NOT been tripped nor is it supposed to be.
Apart from anything, what you say defies common sense. What would be the purpose of a hardware fuse that tripped when any update is applied? Knox is there so that enterprises can check whether a device has been tampered with and deny certain functionality if that has happened. This wouldn't work if it were tripped by authorised updates.
There are threads here and in other forums that show that Knox is not tripped by standard updates or flashing stock ROMs (although there are limited examples where this has happened - they are very much the minority).
Added to which, there have been conflicting statements made by Samsung and its representatives over the implications of Knox 0x1. Some have said that all warranties are void. Some that warranty may not be refused if the problem is unequivocally unconnected with rooting/installing a 3rd party ROM (e.g. the home button breaking). The situation is far from clear and concerns over the implications of tripping the Knox fuse will remain well-founded until there is an authoritative statement from Samsung that Knox 0x1 will never void the hardware warranty and such a statement has not yet been made and probably never will be.

mk2flip said:
A factory update will trip the fuse. Knox is added after the initial os is compiled. The problem is that most service centers or regional Samsung centers don't even really understand what KNOX is for. So when they see it tripped they assume that you did something detrimental to the device. When we purchased 150 s4, 8" and 10" we had a Samsung coporate rep show our staff the many enterprise features that can be implemented on the devices. He's the one that told us that simply a rooted device will not void warranty. We have had over 20 devices covered under warranty by 3 different service centers that have been rooted. Now changing Roms and kernels are a different story, we had warranty rejected by the same regional centers for 3 of our devices that we were doing testing on that had these. We have dealt with this extensively over the last 6 months or so.
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mk2flip said:
The counter trips when ANYONE attempts to rewrite or change the original firmware, factory or otherwise. This includes updates from Samsung. They don't even have the ability to reset the fuse. It requires surgery on the device.
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That is simply not true. I've updated my Galaxy Note 3 from Samsung official firmware to Samsung official firmware, and my Knox counter is not tripped. I'm sure if what you are saying is true (that any update will trip it), we would have heard from some Android news outlet or from a lot more than one person on XDA.

hurrpancakes said:
That is simply not true.
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I and many others up- and downgrade already their Note with OTA, Kies, Odin and so long you flash a original firmware signed by Samsung, the Knox counter is not set.
And the story with the warranty is something else. So long we didn't get reports that someone didn't get the warranty, I am observant.

KNOX is what it is. It affects probably 5% of people (enthusiasts) who buy Samsung devices. The other 95% don't know what root or a bootloader is and probably won't ever activate KNOX (the app) and it'll lay dormant on their devices forever. KNOX 2.0 is coming so those hoping it'll go away or that the *****ing of the 5% is somehow going to influence Samsung's position on KNOX either have to learn to live with it or buy non-Samsung devices.
BYOD is a huge market and why KNOX exists. The 5% of device owners that hate KNOX and the limitations on modding it applies are expendable.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/new-knox-solutions-being-announced-mwc
As for warranty repairs on KNOX-tripped devices there are plenty of reports I've seen saying the warranty has been honored. That's not to say every regional Samsung repair center is going to play by the same set of rules but it also means there's no hard and fast policy that's corporate-wide designed to screw people out of warranty repairs they are entitled to.
people211 said:
It took about a week between sending it in and getting it back. The issue I had was that the note would not reboot if you pulled the battery and reinserted without having to connect it to the charger. Before I sent it in, i flashed back to stock using ODIN. I checked the status of the repair and it said they had replaced a component. I wasn't sure if they were going to do anything since I had tripped KNOX counter.
**The kicker**
I got it back today and immediately went into download mode and to my surprise, KNOX was reset to 0X0!! I know they said they were going to flash it back to stock when they got it, but i didn't think KNOX could be reset (even by them).
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2637718

This whole Knox thing was worrying me, as a potential UK purchaser of a Note 10.1 2014 who needs root to be able to run several apps that I want to use.
If rooting was going to void the warranty anyway, I would have just bought a cheaper USA model and be done with it (as there would be no UK warranty anyway). However if I should still get my two-years EU warranty then I might pay the exorbitant UK prices for a local model. Someone really ought to introduce the tech companies to the exchange rate (even with taxes & duties, US is still miles cheaper)
Andre

BarryH_GEG said:
KNOX is what it is. It affects probably 5% of people (enthusiasts) who buy Samsung devices. The other 95% don't know what root or a bootloader is and probably won't ever activate KNOX (the app) and it'll lay dormant on their devices forever. KNOX 2.0 is coming so those hoping it'll go away or that the *****ing of the 5% is somehow going to influence Samsung's position on KNOX either have to learn to live with it or buy non-Samsung devices.
BYOD is a huge market and why KNOX exists. The 5% of device owners that hate KNOX and the limitations on modding it applies are expendable.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/new-knox-solutions-being-announced-mwc
As for warranty repairs on KNOX-tripped devices there are plenty of reports I've seen saying the warranty has been honored. That's not to say every regional Samsung repair center is going to play by the same set of rules but it also means there's no hard and fast policy that's corporate-wide designed to screw people out of warranty repairs they are entitled to.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2637718
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With a Jtag box it is possible to downgrade from Knox, provided you have a previously made pre Knox backup. From what I understand, even by rewriting the entire ROM space, you still can't reset the warranty bit. Not sure where exactly it is. As for People11's note coming back with it reset, he mentioned they "replaced a component." Whatever they replaced apparently held the warranty bit. Samsung might not even be able to reset it themselves, but swapping out the right hardware with fresh stuff will (obviously) take care of it.
It is true that only a small percentage of all users are affected by Knox; however, they are all on xda, and in fact make up the vast majority here. Samsung can do whatever they want to their phones, and I'm sure the warranty bit will save them a chunk of change. Still, it doesn't mean it's not a total **** move, and worthy of *****ing. The development behind Samsung devices is part of what makes them so great, and why people love them.
Tossing a big "F you" in the face of the people that make that happen is in bad taste. I also think you are underestimating the amount of users who root their phones, and the influence developers and the like have on a devices success. Not all development is for root users, but the people responsible for the best stuff, root or otherwise, are typically people who use root.
Sure, the galaxy s 5 will never end up being burried en masse out in the desert a la E.T The extraterrestrial, and I'm sure the Samsung executives won't be going hungry anytime soon no matter how much they crack down on warranty claims. Long term, however, I would say that restricting development and a devices friendliness towards modification will have a detrimental effect as time goes on.

nvan7891 said:
With a Jtag box it is possible to downgrade from Knox, provided you have a previously made pre Knox backup. From what I understand, even by rewriting the entire ROM space, you still can't reset the warranty bit. Not sure where exactly it is. As for People11's note coming back with it reset, he mentioned they "replaced a component." Whatever they replaced apparently held the warranty bit. Samsung might not even be able to reset it themselves, but swapping out the right hardware with fresh stuff will (obviously) take care of it.
It is true that only a small percentage of all users are affected by Knox; however, they are all on xda, and in fact make up the vast majority here. Samsung can do whatever they want to their phones, and I'm sure the warranty bit will save them a chunk of change. Still, it doesn't mean it's not a total **** move, and worthy of *****ing. The development behind Samsung devices is part of what makes them so great, and why people love them.
Tossing a big "F you" in the face of the people that make that happen is in bad taste. I also think you are underestimating the amount of users who root their phones, and the influence developers and the like have on a devices success. Not all development is for root users, but the people responsible for the best stuff, root or otherwise, are typically people who use root.
Sure, the galaxy s 5 will never end up being burried en masse out in the desert a la E.T The extraterrestrial, and I'm sure the Samsung executives won't be going hungry anytime soon no matter how much they crack down on warranty claims. Long term, however, I would say that restricting development and a devices friendliness towards modification will have a detrimental effect as time goes on.
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There were 968M smartphones sold in 2013. There are 5M XDA members of varying degrees of participation. Based on how vocal we are here it's easy to overestimate our importance. If unlocked bootloaders, pure android, and unfettered root access were so meaningful you'd think Nexus h/w would make up more than its current 2% of total Android devices in use. The masses could care less about the things XDA'rs do.

But keep in mind the LARGE number of Chinese phones open to root (some use it as a marketing point like Oppo) the Chinese market is full of hackers and modders because that is the only way to access many forms of media, news, and social networking. Combined with the higher average test scores and heavy android preference in the developing nations and I would say the number of people with us is Far greater than 5 million. Enough to make any one company take notice. These people crave freedom. As do I. I think we take the ignorance of the average American consumer and imagine it represents the whole of the world. But in reality America is Just full of idiots and xda represents the few good in the nation (and of course other nations)
Other nations are full of much more savvy and informed consumers. More like us.

Some of my SS device bought from another country so they have no warranty
I have fun with them a lot rooting/custom rom flashing.
But now with my P601 I bought it in my country it has warranty ....
so I am not thinking about rooting or anything.....

ps000000 said:
Some of my SS device bought from another country so they have no warranty
I have fun with them a lot rooting/custom rom flashing.
But now with my P601 I bought it in my country it has warranty ....
so I am not thinking about rooting or anything.....
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Square trade man... Saves lives
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RussellEstridge25 said:
Square trade man... Saves lives
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I have a SquareTrade policy on my Note. However, the SquareTrade excludes damage due to software. So, I would expect that if the Knox flag is tripped then the SquareTrade dollars are worthless. Unless one wants to go the dark route and submerse the Note in water "accidentally."

TabGuy said:
I have a SquareTrade policy on my Note. However, the SquareTrade excludes damage due to software. So, I would expect that if the Knox flag is tripped then the SquareTrade dollars are worthless. Unless one wants to go the dark route and submerse the Note in water "accidentally."
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I don't that the Knox being tripped would void square trade...
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RussellEstridge25 said:
Square trade man... Saves lives
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Tell me more... Is square trade cool or what.. Just spent 656 on a smp605 and I don't know if I have a warranty or not... I know inhabe a month and 127 bucks is not allot.
MB865/ST-ATT/4.4.2/BMM
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Tell me more... Is square trade cool or what.. Just spent 656 on a smp605 and I don't know if I have a warranty or not... I know inhabe a month and 127 bucks is not allot.
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Just go to the square trade website.
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Selling phone with Knox tripped?

Hello,
I have started a new job and my phone is too big now to carry around in my workplace and is likely to get damaged.
I was thinking of selling it to mazuma or something similar but was wondering if they will take it with Knox tripped? I am thinking they probably won't even check as I sent my note 2 in rooted and got my cheque in the post.
What do you think.
Cheers.

I dont know about the site, but i dont think they will care, they will only care from a warranty stand point. but from what i understand all the phones sold their are provided without warranty anyway? so i dont think they would care much, And if someone buys a Note 3 for Knox it would probably be a company not an individual

Hell Guardian said:
I dont know about the site, but i dont think they will care, they will only care from a warranty stand point. but from what i understand all the phones sold their are provided without warranty anyway? so i dont think they would care much, And if someone buys a Note 3 for Knox it would probably be a company not an individual
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Thanks for the reply:good:

I know this is an old thread, however its top of google search for related queries.
My KNOX tripped mobile was received by MazumaMobile today and has status "PROBLEM -- FAULTY OPERATING SYSTEM".
The phone is fine, however has KNOX trip warning on boot up.
They have reduced the £180 offer to £80. Needless to say, I have requested the phone be returned.

Samsung REFUSES a Paid, Out-of-warranty Glass Replacement CITING TRIPPED KNOX!!!!!

There u have it folks!
I'm SPEECHLESS!!!! Walked in to a NYC Samsung repair center today, with a cracked glass on my back panel.
No -- I understand that I've voided the warranty by tripping knox, but to refuse a to-be-paid, out-of-warranty glass replacement because I have my phone rooted and their "hardware tests are failing" and that's the Samsung policy?????
Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!

Lexee said:
There u have it folks!
I'm SPEECHLESS!!!! Walked in to a NYC Samsung repair center today, with a cracked glass on my back panel.
No -- I understand that I've voided the warranty by tripping knox, but to refuse a to-be-paid, out-of-warranty glass replacement because I have my phone rooted and their "hardware tests are failing" and that's the Samsung policy?????
Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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Wow - really? That sounds like someone has misinterpreted the policy. It's an out of warranty job that should be reasonably charged and that's that - what has knox got to do with anything? Even if the Knox flag wasn't tripped it would still be an out of warranty job. I'd complain to the store manager and probably to Samsung's social media contacts as well because that just doesn't sound right.

Knox cannot affect any repair, paid or not. USA has a law same as the EU about having the right to modify your own phone.

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I'd complain to the store manager and probably to Samsung's social media contacts
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This came from the store manager -- and trust me, I made my best effort to get all the same points across. The exact wording was this: "as an Authorized Samsung Repair Center, we're obligated to perform a series of hardware tests before returning the phone to the customer. Our hardware tests started failing right away because you have a tripped KNOX counter, so we couldn't proceed with the repair. It's the Samsung policy". Period. I guess their test #1 is, if Knox counter is greater than 0, FAIL. Maybe I should talk to a lawyer and see if I can somehow claim that Samsung wrongfully exposes me to a health hazard (being cut by broken glass) by refusing the repair under a made-up pretext.

Lexee said:
This came from the store manager -- and trust me, I made my best effort to get all the same points across. The exact wording was this: "as an Authorized Samsung Repair Center, we're obligated to perform a series of hardware tests before returning the phone to the customer. Our hardware tests started failing right away because you have a tripped KNOX counter, so we couldn't proceed with the repair. It's the Samsung policy". Period. I guess their test #1 is, if Knox counter is greater than 0, FAIL. Maybe I should talk to a lawyer and see if I can somehow claim that Samsung wrongfully exposes me to a health hazard (being cut by broken glass) by refusing the repair under a made-up pretext.
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Sounds like the manager is an idiot tbh.
His explanation makes no sense whatsoever.
The whole Knox status voids warranty in the States is crap but even that is irrelevant.
I'd make a noise on their twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc and probably give their customer service line a call as well (assuming they have one there?) as this manager's stance just doesn't make any sense
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They are just covering their assess. It's failing a test they perform to make sure everything is in working order. So what happens when they repair the screen and something is not working properly, they will be on the hook to fix it. That being said I don't understand why they can't say if any other problems are there you will have to pay for the fix.
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Today I flashed stock recovery, stock kernel, stock ROM, did a factory reset and went back to the same center. I wanted to ask them to retry the same hardware tests again to see if maybe they succeed this time, with all software being stock. They obviously recognized me from the day before, checked the KNOX counter and just reiterated what I had suspected from the outset; that's it's not really about any "hardware test failing", but a straightforward policy. If KNOX is tripped, don't touch the phone for any reason. The manager said, "we have to guarantee any repair work for 90 days. If KNOX is tripped, we can't do that." They told me to try my luck with their main corporate office in Dallas. I guess I'll give it a shot.

Samsung REFUSES a Paid, Out-of-warranty Glass Replacement CITING TRIPPED KNOX...
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Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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Why would they change their policy if people just go out and buy a replacement ? They win, they now have two sales instead of one.
Seems redundant & contradictory being 'outraged' and then to open your wallet and give them more cash.
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Knox cannot affect any repair, paid or not. USA has a law same as the EU about having the right to modify your own phone.
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Not sure where your getting EU info from but it's incorrect. They still void your hardware warranty and can refuse repairs / service of any description in the EU if your Knox efuse has been tripped.
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I will have to find it. Modifying your phone is a legal right in the UK same as usa. If your modification is the cause of the issue they can charge but if unrelated they can't and the warranty remains.

nookcoloruser said:
Why would they change their policy if people just go out and buy a replacement ? They win, they now have two sales instead of one.
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Nah, come on, I am sure the aim of this policy was not to squeeze the last penny out of their bottom line. it's a major international conglomerate! They sell millions of appliances in every country of the world! This policy literally came out of the mouth of some lazy bureaucrat in charge of handset service, who basically took a quick shortcut and called it a day instead of thinking through the many different possibilities! Hey, to me being out of a few hundred bucks is not the end of the world either. But it's just so WRONG on so many levels! It sends a BAD message about Android, and a BAD message about Samsung! This was not meant to be an Apple shop! I fell in love with this phone -- I switched from HTC One, and I EVEN switched from ATT to TMobile just so I can have unlocked bootloader and modify to my heart's content! And now they're gonna give me this nonsense about tripped KNOX when my issue is broken glass?? BAD, WRONG, STUPID policy! Gosh, I wish I could get this message to a higher level executive rather than customer service.
Anyway, I called the main Dallas headquarters, told them about tripped KNOX and my experience at the NYC center, and the rep told me to send it in to their main service center anyway and see what happens. He wouldn't say if tripped KNOX would be a deal breaker or not. He said generally tripped KNOX is a big deal, but they have more sophisticated equipment than the regional centers typically, they'll examine the phone, see "how" Knox was tripped and take it from there. Sending it in today and going to be without a phone for the next week or so. Hoping for common sense to prevail..

Common sense? Come on, you know that has no place in here...
Personally I have never understood how a software issue could be used to deny a warranty or repair claim on something like a shattered screen. I mean seriously, I now have root access, how did that make my screen crack? Now if my radio or something went wonky I could understand. But a broken screen???

May I suggest buying a replacement glass and making the fix yourself ? I did this myself 3 times on my Z3c and it's actually very easy to do.

This phone isn't really the Z3...

True, but the process should be the same. Heat it up with a hairdryer, remove and then install the new back cover which already has the adhesive on it.
You can watch a tutorial here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RD44M4J-Rk
And for replacement parts I used this website http://www.witrigs.com/replacements-for-samsung-galaxy-s6-edge
If you don't feel confident about doing this yourself you can go to any phone service and they will do it for you on the spot for a small charge of course.
Should not cost you more than 30$, I bet Samsung will charge a lot more (that is if they agree to repair it).

kind3r said:
And for replacement parts I used this website
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Wow! Unbelievable! Thank you so much for the reference! The phone feels so solidly built that I didn't even think of researching this because I thought messing with it by hand is totally out of the question! I have it currently shipped to Dallas service center, but if rejected, I will definitely try this! :good:

Update: phone was rejected by the Samsung main service center. "BER", "beyond economic repair". Pathetic.
I've ordered the replacement glass on ebay! Looking forward to making the repair myself! Thanks @kind3r!
*09/09/2015//19:18:50//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
9/9/2015 6:13 PM-PBA Inspection: The unit has left the technician. SOLUTION: BER
*09/09/2015//19:18:49//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
Device rooted/Knox warranty failure
*09/09/2015//08:47:15//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
9/9/2015 7:41 AM-Jennifer Bastardo: Accessory: sim card tray
*09/09/2015//08:47:14//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
9/9/2015 7:41 AM-Jennifer Bastardo: The unit has been received. Pack Condition: Fair Packaging (Box & Cushion)

Wth, Bastard..o
Good luck with the DIY repair, please let us know how it turns out.
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Yeah, figures ...
What I don't understand is why ... the warranty is void anyway and it will be void the next time you turn in your phone anyway.
Perhaps they don't want to assume responsibility for damages that their technicians may do during this repair.
Good luck with your repair, I suggest using some guitar picks so you don't risk scratching the frame.
Also be careful with the broken glass as it may shatter.

That's interesting. Cracked my screen, sent it in for repair and they fixed it even with a tripped Knox counter. But that service center is a douche for doing that. And it sucks that Samsung has one of the best hardware in many expects so sometimes just saying I'm done with Samsung just may not seem like an options if you want top of the line android.
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Hey guys! My baby looks brand new again! Check out a pic! (I put the broken glass in the packaging in which the replacement arrived).
Ended up paying $17 for the glass on ebay and repairing myself. Come to think of it, having rooted my phone I walked away with a much better deal! lol Thanks again to all who stepped forward with advice!

Knox tripped = warranty repair denial

I've seen a few threads with people asking what the ramifications are of having knox tripped. I rooted my Note 4 as soon as I could and tried a few custom roms. I consistently had problems with bluetooth connectivity and gps tracking across stock, Cyanogen, and modified TW roms. I'd had enough and decided to send my phone to Samsung for repair citing these three issues:
1. Gps cannot determine my location accurately
2. Bluetooth audio skips/stops every few minutes on all devices
3. In one corner of screen there is a hairline crack but there doesn't appear to be any physical damage. It's hard to describe this but it wasn't from a drop. My best guess is pressure from accidentally sitting on it.
Unit was received and immediately sent back unrepaired due to Knox flag being tripped. I'm not really upset at that they wouldn't troubleshoot the gps and bluetooth. Those could be software and according to their terms i've modified that. I'm surprised they didn't email or call to offer a paid out of warranty service though.
Granted, I represent a sample size of 1 so keep that in mind.
* Unit was flashed to stock via Kies before being sent in for service.

Well, that's exactly what "Knox warranty void" flag is for... You can get it repaired through the store you bought it from if you are in EU though.

If you're in the European Union and your device falls faulty within the first 6 months, it is assumed it is a manufacturer's defect. Rooting your device does not void your warranty with the store because in order for the store to say "we cannot repair the device because it's been rooted" they have to have evidence that rooting the device was the direct cause of the malfunctions. If they refuse, threaten with Trading Standards and inform them that they're in breach of your statutory rights.

You should have a look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/samsung-knox-trigger-bothers-t3028728

Hello!
I need send my note 4 to warranty but I have KNOX WARRANTY VOID: 1
PLEASE, there are some way to clean this count for warranty reasons...??? (in note 2 was possible)
THANK YOU SO MUCH !

Carom3de said:
Hello!
I need send my note 4 to warranty but I have KNOX WARRANTY VOID: 1
PLEASE, there are some way to clean this count for warranty reasons...??? (in note 2 was possible)
THANK YOU SO MUCH !
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That's been patched and not possible that I've seen.

nine5raptor said:
That's been patched and not possible that I've seen.
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Thank you

speedyjay said:
If you're in the European Union and your device falls faulty within the first 6 months, it is assumed it is a manufacturer's defect. Rooting your device does not void your warranty with the store because in order for the store to say "we cannot repair the device because it's been rooted" they have to have evidence that rooting the device was the direct cause of the malfunctions. If they refuse, threaten with Trading Standards and inform them that they're in breach of your statutory rights.
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This. It's along the same lines of dealerships attempting to void warranties on modified cars when there are failures that are in no way due to the modifications. The main issue is all the runaround you may have to deal with to get the carrier or manufacturer to step up depending on whom you're dealing with.