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No update yet for 3 UK.

Hi,
I am on this firmware version and haven't received any update yet. Is there a update that I can run using stock recovery? Is root necessary to update the firmware manually. I am on the 3 network in the UK. Can someone pls suggest a manual.

samkol18 said:
Hi,
I am on this firmware version and haven't received any update yet. Is there a update that I can run using stock recovery? Is root necessary to update the firmware manually. I am on the 3 network in the UK. Can someone pls suggest a manual.
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3 UK update via KIES or OTA on the phone .
Root and stock recovery have nothing to do with updates from 3 UK .
Root voids warranty .
Suggest you contact 3 UK to see if their is an update or not as you don't give any details no way of knowing .
Alternatives join XDA Developers and flash stock firmware via Odin .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671969
jje

Well i dont know about the UK. But in the US. Adam Outler (if you dont know that name youre under a rock) has found a way to prove that rooting doesnt void your warranty.
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What version are you on? There must not necessarely be an update for what you have.
Is there a update that I can run using stock recovery?
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Not through Stock Recovery, but yes you can manually run Updates. Pick the one you like off http://samfirmware.com (make sure it's for i9300)
and flash it through Odin (Download Mode)
But in the US. Adam Outler (if you dont know that name youre under a rock) has found a way to prove that rooting doesnt void your warranty.
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At least over here it's that the warranty period is divided in 2 parts: in the first months the manufacturer has to prove you actually did something wrong (near impossible to prove), in the rest you have to prove it was a a manufacturing defect.
Most sellers will swap the device no questions asked anyway =)

b-eock said:
Well i dont know about the UK. But in the US. Adam Outler (if you dont know that name youre under a rock) has found a way to prove that rooting doesnt void your warranty.
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As a number of users have posted that Samsung have refused warranty on rooted phones and Samsung take the trouble to send a letter to all service outlets regarding root and spotting it on a phone . I will leave users to make their own mind up but as for me root voids warranty is what is said on the tin .
jje

I will leave users to make their own mind up but as for me root voids warranty is what is said on the tin .
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The seller is your contract partner, not Samsung. And your contract partner has to fulfill warranty claims.
Don't know about you, but we got a consumer "union" here that sellers actually fear as it's rather quick to bring out the big guns, meaning the lawyers and court. Usually it's sufficient here to just tell the salesperson you'll call the "UCL" and they try to find an acceptable solution.
Acer puts warranty stickers on their computer cases reading "Warranty void if removed". In other words: you'll have to send in the computer to get a (costly) fan cleaning since you're not allowed to do it yourself. Luckily the EU and all countries I know of consider such restrictions to be against consumer rights. Manufacturers also cannot refuse warranty if you install Linux-based operating system on your computer instead of the Windows it shipped with.
The same applies to mobile phone too...
But I think we're getting off-topic

d4fseeker;29107617
Most sellers will swap the device no questions asked anyway =)[/QUOTE said:
O2 refused my SGS1 as it was rooted and had a custom rom .
On two counts one it was not the O2 firmware as supplied and two its voided Samsung's warranty .Ok i was probably unlucky with the guy that looked at the phone and many tech guys will just pick the phone up of the bench read the work report and try a factory reset .
But as the phone costs a lot of money for many i still suggest that the rule is custom rom and root voids warranty according to Samsung and to be aware of that unless you want to stand the risk of paying for repairs .
As to Samsungs warranty we have in addition to the retail sellers warranty of twelve months a limited warranty in addition from Samsung for twenty four months .
Pop on to some of the local user forums in the UK and you will find many many cases of sellers not swapping the phone after the first 14/28 days but sending it off for repair as the SOGA says they can .
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As others have said you can flash an unbranded LFB through Odin and you will get all updates when Sammy publishes them, rather than your network, this will also remove your SIM lock.
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this will also remove your SIM lock.
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No. Network-lock (SIM-lock) is stored in the /efs/ directory and directly controlled by the modem. You need a Sim-unlock app or manually toggle the corresponding byte.
we have in addition to the retail sellers warranty of twelve months a limited warranty in addition from Samsung for twenty four months .
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That's why I never buy electronics from UK. We got 24 months warranty from the seller required by law.
O2 refused my SGS1 as it was rooted and had a custom rom .
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Sellers ALWAYS try to refuse warranty claims since it only costs them money (handling, Shipping, Tech guys,...). The key is forcing them to do it by
threatening with law(yers).
However if they can check if it has a custom ROM that means you can flash a standard ROM and have it repaired no questions asked

b-eock said:
Well i dont know about the UK. But in the US. Adam Outler (if you dont know that name youre under a rock) has found a way to prove that rooting doesnt void your warranty.
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Adam's way off base. Here in the U.S., it is perfectly legal to invalidate a warranty based on customer induced damage or for violating the warranty terms themselves. For example, Samsung's U.S. warranty has enough exceptions to drive a truck through when it comes to being able to deny warranty coverage for a modified device. I’ve bolded the ones most applicable.
What is not covered?
This Limited Warranty is conditioned upon proper use of the Product. This Limited Warranty does not cover: (a) defects or damage resulting from accident, misuse, abnormal use, abnormal conditions, improper storage, exposure to liquid, moisture, dampness, sand or dirt, neglect, or unusual physical, electrical or electromechanical stress; (b) scratches, dents and cosmetic damage, unless caused by SAMSUNG; (c) defects or damage resulting from excessive force or use of a metallic object when pressing on a touch screen; (d) equipment that has the serial number or the enhancement data code removed, defaced, damaged, altered or made illegible; (e) ordinary wear and tear; (f) defects or damage resulting from the use of Product in conjunction or connection with accessories, products, or ancillary/peripheral equipment not furnished or approved by SAMSUNG; (g) defects or damage resulting from improper testing, operation, maintenance, installation, service, or adjustment not furnished or approved by SAMSUNG; (h) defects or damage resulting from external causes such as collision with an object, fire, flooding, dirt, windstorm, lightning, earthquake, exposure to weather conditions, theft, blown fuse, or improper use of any electrical source; (i) defects or damage resulting from cellular signal reception or transmission, or viruses or other software problems introduced into the Product; or (j) Product used or purchased outside the United States. This Limited Warranty covers batteries only if battery capacity falls below 80% of rated capacity or the battery leaks, and this Limited Warranty does not cover any battery if (i) the battery has been charged by a battery charger not specified or approved by SAMSUNG for charging the battery; (ii) any of the seals on the battery are broken or show evidence of tampering; or (iii) the battery has been used in equipment other than the SAMSUNG phone for which it is specified.​As for Magnusson Moss, when Asus first started asking people to invalidate their warranties in order to unlock the bootloader, I asked one of our in-house attorneys if it was legal because I didn't think it was. Since unlocking the bootloader doesn't affect the operation of the product as originally Asus intended it to be sold its within their right to obviate your warranty if you agree to it.
Let's use an example following Adam's logic. Someone ships their phone off to Samsung because the headphone jack died. They say it's not covered under warranty because the bootloader's been unlocked and that non-Samsung s/w run on the device contributed to its failure. The phone owner says under "Magnusson Moss" you have to prove that my unlocking the bootloader caused the damage. They say that'll be $175 to repair the phone or $25 to ship it back unrepaired. At that point, those are the only two choices. Someone can later file reams of paperwork, invest gobs of time, and wait months for any type of relief either through legal channels or some state or government customer rights group but the phone will remain broken until then. No one can make Samsung fix a phone for free if they refuse to without putting in a lot of stress and time. What Adam says in this video is way over simplistic. You can have all the rights in the world but getting/having them enforced is a totally different matter.

[Tip] You're still covered by warranty, even if you root/flash roms/etc.

Well, if you bought the phone in EU and that it can't be proven that what you've done software-wise has caused a hardware fault.
http://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html
I just thought of something. What if the eMMC craps out? Because Samsung confirmed it's because of a software fault that can cause a hardware fault. Paradox?

Also, of you have a warranty of 1 year (I dont know if samsung has 2 or 1 year warranty) in Europe the expectation of the life of a phone which costs more than 250€ is more than 2 years. That the manufacturer is still responsible.
There have been warranty cases where iphones died after a year but the rules say it was Apples fault. Altough apple *****ed a lot they were forced to repair those devices
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All New goods are covered for two years EU guarantee
its the LAW under the Sale of Goods ACT. Any shop or Company telling you otherwise are breaking the LAW
if anything happens that you are not responsible for causing, they have no choice but to fix it or give you the equivalent as a replacement, even if they suspect you may be at fault they have to provide evidence or they can not say NO.
Some place will sell with a 1 year warranty but even so they are responsible for 2 years whether they like it or not so do not get fooled by their tricks and Quote the LAW to them.

Good link, thanks for the post.
I already knew this, but I get quite annoyed by even developers propagating the myth that everywhere, no matter what, once you flash "Your warranty is now void", even putting it in the instructions as a fact
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esist said:
Good link, thanks for the post.
I already knew this, but I get quite annoyed by even developers propagating the myth that everywhere, no matter what, once you flash "Your warranty is now void", even putting it in the instructions as a fact
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Agree with you here, but we still need to be careful, because not all countries have the same legal protections.
Even here in Australia, it's still quite a grey legal area and tech companies will use any trick in the book to find loopholes in the legislation and get away with voiding warranties.
Therefore, I think it's probably better to err on the side of caution and advise people that they may void their warranty depending on their jurisdiction.

i think it should be applied world wide cos it's a known fault in the 16gb models and they should fix it regardless of whether the phone was rooted or not.
i wouldn't mind an upgrade to 32gb though.

My two cents regarding this issue :
Here are more informations :
Read this : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36530300&postcount=3004
and this (usefull blog and the european directive) : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36537218&postcount=3018
I've sent samsung french customer service two mails asking for samsung official position regarding this european directive, no answer yet
(Cause either the first hotline level or certified repair centers told you that rooted= no warranty )

Some of the advice in this thread isn't strictly accurate. In the UK the sale of goods act states the goods must be fit for purpose and free from material defects. This is the case with all goods sold and is implied regardless of what the store says. Also - your contract is with the store not Samsung under SGA. If you run the phone over with a car you can't rely on the SGA. If you brick it because of a bad rom flash its going to largely be down to what reason you give that it was bricked and when it happened (inside or outside initial 9months) They will argue you have not used the phone for its intended purpose and your actions caused it to brick. Ultimately a Court would have to decide if you sued.
Also whilst it's true a warranty isn't necessarily 1 year and can be more its what the court determines as a "reasonable period" taking into account the cost and type of good sold. I think this may differ from EU directive as to how it's been implemented in UK although it's been awhile since law school heh.
Tbh would you really want to take a shop to court over you bricking your phone when they refused to fix or provide you with a new one outside initial 6months?? Esp given they'd argue you were then one who causes the failure because you used it in a way not envisaged when you bought it?
Reality of life is that you can get all jumpy about consumer rights but you have to have the balls and money and time to enforce them. Most people don't and definitely don't if there's a chance of losing and being ordered to pay other sides costs.
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"All New goods are covered for two years EU guarantee its the LAW under the Sale of Goods ACT"
As I'm just about to send my SGSIII off for repair (due to random restarts and crashes, which I fear may be the beginning of "SDS") I've just been looking at the guarantee booklet that came with the phone when I first got it and it does indeed say that the warranty is two years.
As I've had the phone rooted I'm kinda expecting them to turn around and say it isn't covered by warranty but I'm fully prepared to tell them it is (as I saw somebody else on here had done) and see what they say from there. Hopefully they won't question it though (I'm pretty sure it's not me flashing software on it that's causing the crashes and restarts because the first time it restarted of it's own accord was at least a week (and probably longer than that) after I'd flashed the last firmware (and it's always been "stock" firmware I've used anyway (i.e. firmware from Samsung themselves - even if sometimes it wasn't the final version)).

sgsboyo said:
"All New goods are covered for two years EU guarantee its the LAW under the Sale of Goods ACT"
As I'm just about to send my SGSIII off for repair (due to random restarts and crashes, which I fear may be the beginning of "SDS") I've just been looking at the guarantee booklet that came with the phone when I first got it and it does indeed say that the warranty is two years.
As I've had the phone rooted I'm kinda expecting them to turn around and say it isn't covered by warranty but I'm fully prepared to tell them it is (as I saw somebody else on here had done) and see what they say from there. Hopefully they won't question it though (I'm pretty sure it's not me flashing software on it that's causing the crashes and restarts because the first time it restarted of it's own accord was at least a week (and probably longer than that) after I'd flashed the last firmware (and it's always been "stock" firmware I've used anyway (i.e. firmware from Samsung themselves - even if sometimes it wasn't the final version)).
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To be honest, if you flash it do it's completely stock and the issue persists it should be a hardware failure, and the only reason the hardware would fail because of rooting/custom roms is overclocking the CPU/GPU and frying them.
Let us know how it goes.

Samsung eventually got back to me regarding the repair of my phone and have refused to fix it without me paying for the service (£163) because it was rooted.
Needless to say I'm less than happy. They persisted with saying that rooting voids the warranty and wouldn't back down.
I'm furious because I'm aware of all the sudden death syndrome problems affecting this phone and i wish I'd kept using it till it did actually die before sending it off to them to repair.
But I've learned a costly lesson and won't be rooting while in warranty again (and may very well have bought my last Samsung smart phone).
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That is a very informative and useful tip. Unfortunately, most people think that software modifications void the warranty under EU jurisdiction. Apparently that's not the case. Thanks op.
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Theshawty said:
Well, if you bought the phone in EU and that it can't be proven that what you've done software-wise has caused a hardware fault.
http://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html
I just thought of something. What if the eMMC craps out? Because Samsung confirmed it's because of a software fault that can cause a hardware fault. Paradox?
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I'm sorry but this is only a directive... after this in each country has to pass their own law in order to comply with directive... sometimes not every country make this last step. I'm thinking for ex UK that don't comply for the 2 years warranty for consumer products. Other country, mine (Portugal), is very avid in forgeting to make laws to comply with EU directives...
Just saying, careful cause in your country their may not have a law that comply with this EU directive.

sgsboyo said:
Samsung eventually got back to me regarding the repair of my phone and have refused to fix it without me paying for the service (£163) because it was rooted.
Needless to say I'm less than happy. They persisted with saying that rooting voids the warranty and wouldn't back down.
I'm furious because I'm aware of all the sudden death syndrome problems affecting this phone and i wish I'd kept using it till it did actually die before sending it off to them to repair.
But I've learned a costly lesson and won't be rooting while in warranty again (and may very well have bought my last Samsung smart phone).
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You should moan about the directive stated in shawtys post and never play along.
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My latest response from the Samsung "care" team yesterday:
" Thank you for contacting Samsung, I am sorry that you feel this way about the product.
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I appreciate that you are saying that rooting the phone has not caused this issue, however by rooting the phone the warranty has been voided.* As a result, this repair and all future repairs will be chargeable.
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Please do not hesitate to contact us if we can be of further assistance."
So without spending more cash on trying to pursue my rights I'm stuck. No more rooting for me, and I just hope this bloody phone lasts till the end of my contract without needing any more repairs (May 2014).
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My latest response from the Samsung "care" team yesterday:
" Thank you for contacting Samsung, I am sorry that you feel this way about the product.
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I appreciate that you are saying that rooting the phone has not caused this issue, however by rooting the phone the warranty has been voided.* As a result, this repair and all future repairs will be chargeable.
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Please do not hesitate to contact us if we can be of further assistance."
So without spending more cash on trying to pursue my rights I'm stuck. No more rooting for me, and I just hope this bloody phone lasts till the end of my contract without needing any more repairs (May 2014).
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Thats the be all and end all of the root warranty topic . EU says yes Samsung says no .
As its written into Samsung warranty and part of the repair checking process it has to be a court case .
However unless Samsung is the vendor then its not their problem anyway as the law apply s to the vendor .You pursue the vendor for claims not Samsung who are offering an additional limited warranty on top of your lawful warranty / guarantee sale of goods etc from the vendor .
jje

JJEgan said:
Thats the be all and end all of the root warranty topic . EU says yes Samsung says no .
As its written into Samsung warranty and part of the repair checking process it has to be a court case .
However unless Samsung is the vendor then its not their problem anyway as the law apply s to the vendor .You pursue the vendor for claims not Samsung who are offering an additional limited warranty on top of your lawful warranty / guarantee sale of goods etc from the vendor .
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Yes it's been a costly mistake on my part going direct to Samsung when I just thought it would be quicker. Never again.
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Just realised tonight, since my phone is no longer covered by warranty I'm free to root it and do whatever I want with it. Shame that's kinda lost its appeal. Need new inspiration!
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Using root should/must not void warranty on Smartphones

Today's smartphones are as good as PCs. Does using root on computers void warranty? No!
Using root should/must not void warranty on Smartphones too.
Does rooting your device (e.g. an Android phone) and replacing its operating system with something else void your statutory warranty, if you are a consumer?
In short:
No.
Just the fact that you modified or changed the software of your device, is not a sufficient reason to void your statutory warranty. As long as you have bought the device as a consumer in the European Union.
A bit longer:
Directive 1999/44/CE dictates1 that any object meeting certain criteria (incl. telephones, computers, routers etc.) that is sold to a consumer2. inside the European Union, has to carry a warranty from the seller that the device will meet the quality that you would expect for such a device for a period of 2 years.
A telephone is an example of such a device and is an object that comprises many parts, from the case to the screen to the radio, to a mini-computer, to the battery, to the software that runs it. If any of these parts3 stop working in those 2 years, the seller has to fix or replace them. What is more these repairs should not cost the consumer a single cent — the seller has to cover the expenses (Directive 1999/44/CE, §3). If the seller has any expenses for returning it to the manufacturer, this is not your problem as a consumer.
If your device becomes defective in the first 6 months, it is presumed that the defect was there all along, so you should not need to prove anything.
If your device becomes defective after the first 6 months, but before 2 years run out, you are still covered. The difference is only that if the defect arises now, the seller can claim that the defect was caused by some action that was triggered by non-normal use of the device4. But in order to avoid needing to repair or replace your device, the seller has to prove that your action caused5 the defect. It is generally recognised by courts that unless there is a sign of abuse of the device, the defect is there because the device was faulty from the beginning. That is just common sense, after all.
So, we finally come to the question of rooting, flashing and changing the software. Unless the seller can prove that modifying the software, rooting your device or flashing it with some other OS or firmware was the cause for the defect, you are still covered for defects during those 2 years. A good test to see if it is the software’s fault is to flash it back with stock firmware/OS and see if the problem persists. If it does, it is not a software-caused problem. If it is not possible to revert it stock software any more, it is also not a software-caused defect. There are very few hardware defects that are caused by software — e.g. overriding the speaker volume above the safe level could blow the speaker.
Many manufacturers of consumer devices write into their warranties a paragraph that by changing the software or “rooting” your device, you void the warranty. You have to understand that in EU we have a “statutory warranty”, which is compulsory that the seller must offer by law (Directive 1999/44/CE, §7.1) and a “voluntary warranty” which the seller or manufacturer can, but does not need to, offer as an additional service to the consumer. Usually the “voluntary warranty” covers a longer period of time or additional accidents not covered by law6. If though the seller, the manufacturer or anyone else offers a “voluntary warranty”, he is bound to it as well!
So, even if, by any chance your “voluntary warranty” got voided, by European law, you should still have the 2 year “compulsory warranty” as it is described in the Directive and which is the topic of this article.
In case the seller refuses your right to repair or replace the device, you can sue him in a civil litigation and can report the incident to the national authority. In many European countries such action does not even require hiring a lawyer and is most of the time ensured by consumers associations.
The warranty under this Directive is only applicable inside the European Union and only if you bought the device as a consumer.
[1] EU member states must have by now imported the Directive 1999/44/CE into their national laws. So you should quote also your local law on that topic.
[2] A consumer is a natural person who acts for their own private purposes and not as a professional. .
[3] Batteries can be exempt of this and usually hold only 6 months warranty.
[4] E.g. a defect power button could be caused by spreading marmalade in it or hooking it onto a robot that would continuously press the button every second 24/7 — of course that is not normal or intended use.
[5] Note that correlation is not causation — the defect has to be proven to be caused by your action, not just correlate with it.
[6] E.g. if a device manufacturer guarantees the phone is water- and shock-proof or a car manufacturer offers 7 years of warranty against rust.
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Source : https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html

Should've gone in the general section mate, good info though.

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Should've gone in the general section mate, good info though.
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I couldn't decide. I thought that it was a trouble for us
Can mods move this thread to the General Section please?

Just noticed this post when i was updating a friends note 2 and rooting in the EU does not void your warranty. This is general knowledge and good to be in the EU

It voids warranty bcuz u can accidentally brick it and that would be ur fault not thiers.
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Good info but thread needs to be moved to general info request a mod to move this thread
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mezo91 said:
It voids warranty bcuz u can accidentally brick it and that would be ur fault not thiers.
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How will rooting your phone brick it??
Unless the seller can prove that modifying the software, rooting your device or flashing it with some other OS or firmware was the cause for the defect, you are still covered for defects during those 2 years. A good test to see if it is the software’s fault is to flash it back with stock firmware/OS and see if the problem persists. If it does, it is not a software-caused problem. If it is not possible to revert it stock software any more, it is also not a software-caused defect. There are very few hardware defects that are caused by software — e.g. overriding the speaker volume above the safe level could blow the speaker
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Let's just say these are saftey measures of a company.
You bought the phone for the hardware and software made by Samsung. It's a form of giving credit.
Experimenting with the phone outside of Samsung circumstances is your own decision.

Simone said:
Let's just say these are saftey measures of a company.
You bought the phone for the hardware and software made by Samsung. It's a form of giving credit.
Experimenting with the phone outside of Samsung circumstances is your own decision.
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Completely irrelevant. The law is the law, and the law allows you to root in the EU without affecting any warranty.

FloatingFatMan said:
Completely irrelevant. The law is the law, and the law allows you to root in the EU without affecting any warranty.
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I see.

irishpancake said:
How will rooting your phone brick it??
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The only "problem" with rooting is that it potentially allows dumb users to do dumb things - such as overclocking beyond the acceptable level for your processor, or flashing a radio from a completely different device.
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Dave

This is actually an awesome thing to know. Thanks, OP.
I never rooted or flashed my note 2 because I was afraid to lose my warranty and have to pay the repair or buy another phone if something unlucky happened. This one isn't cheap. But I always had the feeling that I was not taking real advantage of my note 2 and now I think I will. Again, thanks.

You shouldn't be too sure that your warranty wouldn't be void , i know many places where you won't get any warranty due to being rooted, don't take this to granted as its "not a law" its also carrier/reseller that makes these decissions. they probably know what your doing if your rooting (basically i know that they know that i know) but lets say i bought a phone and they told me that i wasn't able to "upgrade" to a newer firmware due to the warranty being void. again i wouldn't take this as granted that i would get my warranty. as of its not anything i can say its the law. its not only the law. its samsung/resellers decision not government law.
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It comes down to whether the repair centre can prove that rooting is the cause of the problem. I.e if a fried cpu is the issue, and they find that the cpu is overclocked.
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LastStandingDroid said:
You shouldn't be too sure that your warranty wouldn't be void , i know many places where you won't get any warranty due to being rooted, don't take this to granted as its "not a law" its also carrier/reseller that makes these decissions. they probably know what your doing if your rooting (basically i know that they know that i know) but lets say i bought a phone and they told me that i wasn't able to "upgrade" to a newer firmware due to the warranty being void. again i wouldn't take this as granted that i would get my warranty. as of its not anything i can say its the law. its not only the law. its samsung/resellers decision not government law.
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Wrong. It IS the law, in Europe. Outside of there you're likely screwed, but in Europe, consumers are protected. If they try to deny your rights, you can sue them into oblivion and are guaranteed a win, with all costs covered.

FloatingFatMan said:
Wrong. It IS the law, in Europe. Outside of there you're likely screwed, but in Europe, consumers are protected. If they try to deny your rights, you can sue them into oblivion and are guaranteed a win, with all costs covered.
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Let me take my brothers Xcover to the reseller (it's constantly freezing and has been done so) even before rooted but I won't say it's rooted I let them in service center look at it and if they say it's not going on warranty I'm glad to get some money lol.
But it's not a law. Not every country may follow it. I know Sweeden is one of those who Suck at this.
But it gives me an idea
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LastStandingDroid said:
Let me take my brothers Xcover to the reseller (it's constantly freezing and has been done so) even before rooted but I won't say it's rooted I let them in service center look at it and if they say it's not going on warranty I'm glad to get some money lol.
But it's not a law. Not every country may follow it. I know Sweeden is one of those who Suck at this.
But it gives me an idea
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Your not thinking it's the law has no bearing at all on the law in the EU. If you're outside the EU. well, that's different.

LastStandingDroid said:
Let me take my brothers Xcover to the reseller (it's constantly freezing and has been done so) even before rooted but I won't say it's rooted I let them in service center look at it and if they say it's not going on warranty I'm glad to get some money lol.
But it's not a law. Not every country may follow it. I know Sweeden is one of those who Suck at this.
But it gives me an idea
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Sweden is in the EU, and as such they are required to follow EU law. I'm from Norway, which is not in the EU, and we still follow the same warranty regulations (they are actually even more lenient)
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Unfortunately I'm not in the EU.
In the past I went to the consumer court several times and I always won.
Even once I sued shoe company Nike and I got my money back even though I wore them for 2 months.
You must not forget!
Company's policy is not a law! They can't indicate anything to you that is not in the law. They cannot force you to obey their policies.
Company and you must obey the laws.
You have to be ready to fight against them on the customer court
You have to be well prepared. You must know the customer law.
And for the last, you have to be right. Do not waste your time for trying to get warranty for your liquid damaged device or broken screen

FloatingFatMan said:
Your not thinking it's the law has no bearing at all on the law in the EU. If you're outside the EU. well, that's different.
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last time i checked sweden was in EU but i can see if i can get my phone which has warranty to see if they will fix it,
its rooted but the root isn't caused by rooting it (Manufucator fault) has been since we got it, but i've never heard anyone getting their phone fixed if they have root. idk i can try.

Samsung REFUSES a Paid, Out-of-warranty Glass Replacement CITING TRIPPED KNOX!!!!!

There u have it folks!
I'm SPEECHLESS!!!! Walked in to a NYC Samsung repair center today, with a cracked glass on my back panel.
No -- I understand that I've voided the warranty by tripping knox, but to refuse a to-be-paid, out-of-warranty glass replacement because I have my phone rooted and their "hardware tests are failing" and that's the Samsung policy?????
Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!

Lexee said:
There u have it folks!
I'm SPEECHLESS!!!! Walked in to a NYC Samsung repair center today, with a cracked glass on my back panel.
No -- I understand that I've voided the warranty by tripping knox, but to refuse a to-be-paid, out-of-warranty glass replacement because I have my phone rooted and their "hardware tests are failing" and that's the Samsung policy?????
Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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Wow - really? That sounds like someone has misinterpreted the policy. It's an out of warranty job that should be reasonably charged and that's that - what has knox got to do with anything? Even if the Knox flag wasn't tripped it would still be an out of warranty job. I'd complain to the store manager and probably to Samsung's social media contacts as well because that just doesn't sound right.

Knox cannot affect any repair, paid or not. USA has a law same as the EU about having the right to modify your own phone.

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I'd complain to the store manager and probably to Samsung's social media contacts
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This came from the store manager -- and trust me, I made my best effort to get all the same points across. The exact wording was this: "as an Authorized Samsung Repair Center, we're obligated to perform a series of hardware tests before returning the phone to the customer. Our hardware tests started failing right away because you have a tripped KNOX counter, so we couldn't proceed with the repair. It's the Samsung policy". Period. I guess their test #1 is, if Knox counter is greater than 0, FAIL. Maybe I should talk to a lawyer and see if I can somehow claim that Samsung wrongfully exposes me to a health hazard (being cut by broken glass) by refusing the repair under a made-up pretext.

Lexee said:
This came from the store manager -- and trust me, I made my best effort to get all the same points across. The exact wording was this: "as an Authorized Samsung Repair Center, we're obligated to perform a series of hardware tests before returning the phone to the customer. Our hardware tests started failing right away because you have a tripped KNOX counter, so we couldn't proceed with the repair. It's the Samsung policy". Period. I guess their test #1 is, if Knox counter is greater than 0, FAIL. Maybe I should talk to a lawyer and see if I can somehow claim that Samsung wrongfully exposes me to a health hazard (being cut by broken glass) by refusing the repair under a made-up pretext.
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Sounds like the manager is an idiot tbh.
His explanation makes no sense whatsoever.
The whole Knox status voids warranty in the States is crap but even that is irrelevant.
I'd make a noise on their twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc and probably give their customer service line a call as well (assuming they have one there?) as this manager's stance just doesn't make any sense
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They are just covering their assess. It's failing a test they perform to make sure everything is in working order. So what happens when they repair the screen and something is not working properly, they will be on the hook to fix it. That being said I don't understand why they can't say if any other problems are there you will have to pay for the fix.
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Today I flashed stock recovery, stock kernel, stock ROM, did a factory reset and went back to the same center. I wanted to ask them to retry the same hardware tests again to see if maybe they succeed this time, with all software being stock. They obviously recognized me from the day before, checked the KNOX counter and just reiterated what I had suspected from the outset; that's it's not really about any "hardware test failing", but a straightforward policy. If KNOX is tripped, don't touch the phone for any reason. The manager said, "we have to guarantee any repair work for 90 days. If KNOX is tripped, we can't do that." They told me to try my luck with their main corporate office in Dallas. I guess I'll give it a shot.

Samsung REFUSES a Paid, Out-of-warranty Glass Replacement CITING TRIPPED KNOX...
Lexee said:
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Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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Why would they change their policy if people just go out and buy a replacement ? They win, they now have two sales instead of one.
Seems redundant & contradictory being 'outraged' and then to open your wallet and give them more cash.
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Knox cannot affect any repair, paid or not. USA has a law same as the EU about having the right to modify your own phone.
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Not sure where your getting EU info from but it's incorrect. They still void your hardware warranty and can refuse repairs / service of any description in the EU if your Knox efuse has been tripped.
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I will have to find it. Modifying your phone is a legal right in the UK same as usa. If your modification is the cause of the issue they can charge but if unrelated they can't and the warranty remains.

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Why would they change their policy if people just go out and buy a replacement ? They win, they now have two sales instead of one.
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Nah, come on, I am sure the aim of this policy was not to squeeze the last penny out of their bottom line. it's a major international conglomerate! They sell millions of appliances in every country of the world! This policy literally came out of the mouth of some lazy bureaucrat in charge of handset service, who basically took a quick shortcut and called it a day instead of thinking through the many different possibilities! Hey, to me being out of a few hundred bucks is not the end of the world either. But it's just so WRONG on so many levels! It sends a BAD message about Android, and a BAD message about Samsung! This was not meant to be an Apple shop! I fell in love with this phone -- I switched from HTC One, and I EVEN switched from ATT to TMobile just so I can have unlocked bootloader and modify to my heart's content! And now they're gonna give me this nonsense about tripped KNOX when my issue is broken glass?? BAD, WRONG, STUPID policy! Gosh, I wish I could get this message to a higher level executive rather than customer service.
Anyway, I called the main Dallas headquarters, told them about tripped KNOX and my experience at the NYC center, and the rep told me to send it in to their main service center anyway and see what happens. He wouldn't say if tripped KNOX would be a deal breaker or not. He said generally tripped KNOX is a big deal, but they have more sophisticated equipment than the regional centers typically, they'll examine the phone, see "how" Knox was tripped and take it from there. Sending it in today and going to be without a phone for the next week or so. Hoping for common sense to prevail..

Common sense? Come on, you know that has no place in here...
Personally I have never understood how a software issue could be used to deny a warranty or repair claim on something like a shattered screen. I mean seriously, I now have root access, how did that make my screen crack? Now if my radio or something went wonky I could understand. But a broken screen???

May I suggest buying a replacement glass and making the fix yourself ? I did this myself 3 times on my Z3c and it's actually very easy to do.

This phone isn't really the Z3...

True, but the process should be the same. Heat it up with a hairdryer, remove and then install the new back cover which already has the adhesive on it.
You can watch a tutorial here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RD44M4J-Rk
And for replacement parts I used this website http://www.witrigs.com/replacements-for-samsung-galaxy-s6-edge
If you don't feel confident about doing this yourself you can go to any phone service and they will do it for you on the spot for a small charge of course.
Should not cost you more than 30$, I bet Samsung will charge a lot more (that is if they agree to repair it).

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And for replacement parts I used this website
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Wow! Unbelievable! Thank you so much for the reference! The phone feels so solidly built that I didn't even think of researching this because I thought messing with it by hand is totally out of the question! I have it currently shipped to Dallas service center, but if rejected, I will definitely try this! :good:

Update: phone was rejected by the Samsung main service center. "BER", "beyond economic repair". Pathetic.
I've ordered the replacement glass on ebay! Looking forward to making the repair myself! Thanks @kind3r!
*09/09/2015//19:18:50//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
9/9/2015 6:13 PM-PBA Inspection: The unit has left the technician. SOLUTION: BER
*09/09/2015//19:18:49//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
Device rooted/Knox warranty failure
*09/09/2015//08:47:15//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
9/9/2015 7:41 AM-Jennifer Bastardo: Accessory: sim card tray
*09/09/2015//08:47:14//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
9/9/2015 7:41 AM-Jennifer Bastardo: The unit has been received. Pack Condition: Fair Packaging (Box & Cushion)

Wth, Bastard..o
Good luck with the DIY repair, please let us know how it turns out.
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Yeah, figures ...
What I don't understand is why ... the warranty is void anyway and it will be void the next time you turn in your phone anyway.
Perhaps they don't want to assume responsibility for damages that their technicians may do during this repair.
Good luck with your repair, I suggest using some guitar picks so you don't risk scratching the frame.
Also be careful with the broken glass as it may shatter.

That's interesting. Cracked my screen, sent it in for repair and they fixed it even with a tripped Knox counter. But that service center is a douche for doing that. And it sucks that Samsung has one of the best hardware in many expects so sometimes just saying I'm done with Samsung just may not seem like an options if you want top of the line android.
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Hey guys! My baby looks brand new again! Check out a pic! (I put the broken glass in the packaging in which the replacement arrived).
Ended up paying $17 for the glass on ebay and repairing myself. Come to think of it, having rooted my phone I walked away with a much better deal! lol Thanks again to all who stepped forward with advice!

Losing warranty if rooting S7 bought in Europe?

I've read somewhere on a rom thread on XDA that the KNOX warranty flag plays no role whatsoever in determining if you get warranty service or not if your device was bought from and you currently live in Europe. Is that correct?
The only reason I want to root is for viper4android since the stock sound is horrible, but I'm not sure I want to risk losing the warranty by rooting.
The device was NOT bought from Samsung, but an authorized reseller.
Thanks.

DragosPaul said:
I've read somewhere on a rom thread on XDA that the KNOX warranty flag plays no role whatsoever in determining if you get warranty service or not if your device was bought from and you currently live in Europe. Is that correct?
The only reason I want to root is for viper4android since the stock sound is horrible, but I'm not sure I want to risk losing the warranty by rooting.
The device was NOT bought from Samsung, but an authorized reseller.
Thanks.
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No this is NOT correct.
In Austria you will NOT get ANY warranty services from Samsung any more if you've tripped Knox. I can tell you for 100% sure.
So it might depend on the country. But being in Europe is not at all a guarantee for receiving warranty services for rooted devices.

DragosPaul said:
I've read somewhere on a rom thread on XDA that the KNOX warranty flag plays no role whatsoever in determining if you get warranty service or not if your device was bought from and you currently live in Europe. Is that correct?
The only reason I want to root is for viper4android since the stock sound is horrible, but I'm not sure I want to risk losing the warranty by rooting.
The device was NOT bought from Samsung, but an authorized reseller.
Thanks.
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Depends on where you live in Europe. Central- and South European countries like Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain, Greece and so on seem to be very strict with very little variations. Almost no chance you're gonna get your device repaired under warranty. Parts of Southeast and Northern Europe are more consumer friendly. I've seen many many reports, across various platforms that devices get repaired under warranty with triggered Knox flags.
No matter what Samsung says regarding Knox, root and warranty, or your retailer regarding root or any alteration of the OS and (statutory-) warranty. Fact is, it's highly questionable to deny warranty in such a case. If Samsung or your retailer denies (statutory-) warranty, before you consult a lawyer you can use the EU Comission's Online Dispute Resolution (Link). In some countries it's unfortunately not available. These are Croatia, Luxembourg, Poland, Romania, Spain. This Resolution Centre is exactly for situations like these.

What do you know about warranty with tripped knox in poland?

nitrous² said:
Depends on where you live in Europe. Central- and South European countries like Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain, Greece and so on seem to be very strict with very little variations. Almost no chance you're gonna get your device repaired under warranty. Southeast Europe is more consumer friendly. I've seen many many reports, across various platforms that devices get repaired under warranty with triggered Knox flags.
No matter what Samsung says regarding Knox, root and warranty, or your retailer regarding root or any alteration of the OS and (statutory-) warranty. Fact is, it's highly questionable to deny warranty in such a case. If Samsung or your retailer denies (statutory-) warranty, before you consult a lawyer you can use the EU Comission's Online Dispute Resolution (Link). In some countries it's unfortunately not available. These are Croatia, Luxembourg, Poland, Romania, Spain. This Resolution Centre is exactly for situations like these.
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I live in Romania so I guess the EU Dispute Resolution does not apply to me lol. I'm wondering, if I were to submit a warranty claim with the reseller, would they then send the phone to Samsung for repair/replacement or would they ( the reseller ) simply exchange the device with another refurbished phone? I'm not sure how the warranty process works with phones like the S7, where repair by anyone other than Samsung is quite difficult.

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I live in Romania so I guess the EU Dispute Resolution does not apply to me lol. I'm wondering, if I were to submit a warranty claim with the reseller, would they then send the phone to Samsung for repair/replacement or would they ( the reseller ) simply exchange the device with another refurbished phone? I'm not sure how the warranty process works with phones like the S7, where repair by anyone other than Samsung is quite difficult.
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I've only read two reports from Romania. One of a Galaxy Note 3, tripped Knox, proximity sensor not working. Repaired under warranty after user reported to some consumer protection bureau. Another one of a Galaxy S7 Edge, tripped Knox, unknown defect but the user got it repaired under warranty. I'm sorry I can't give source to the reports. I can no longer find them. In both instances it was unclear whether the devices were repaired under regular OEM warranty or statutory warranty.

By law, you still have warranty in EU, but if they will actually repair it is totally different. They should, but they probably don't. It took me one year with consumer service to get warranty on my Samsung Galaxy S6.
En EU you have 2 years. You have that deal with your reseller. So if Samsung refuse to repair it when they send it in, they should - by law - pay for the reparation. But well, they don't.. So you gotta fight for it.

Hi, I live in Italy and I am a lawyer.
What has been said above by the other users is correct. Theoretically correct.
The Eu resolution actually should apply to that matter, but still most repair centres will deny warranty with tripped Knox. And suing Samsung for a few hundreds Euros wouldn't be very wise. At least in Italy.
Listen to me, I rooted my phone because I am sure I will never brick it, but I would never sue Samsung if the hardware should break, even if I am a lawyer. Too much time and to many expenses required. Not worth to.

lucaoldb said:
Hi, I live in Italy and I am a lawyer.
What has been said above by the other users is correct. Theoretically correct.
The Eu resolution actually should apply to that matter, but still most repair centres will deny warranty with tripped Knox. And suing Samsung for a few hundreds Euros wouldn't be very wise. At least in Italy.
Listen to me, I rooted my phone because I am sure I will never brick it, but I would never sue Samsung if the hardware should break, even if I am a lawyer. Too much time and to many expenses required. Not worth to.
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Why would you sue Samsung? Samsung's warranty is by EU law voluntary and bound to terms and conditions. If you violate the terms, you no longer have warranty. If there's someone to sue, it's your retailer.
Because they deny the "statutory warranty" without adequately proving who is at fault and disregarding EU resolutions regarding software changes on consumer devices.

nitrous² said:
Why would you sue Samsung? Samsung's warranty is by EU law voluntary and bound to terms and conditions. If you violate the terms, you no longer have warranty. If there's someone to sue, it's your retailer.
Because they deny the "statutory warranty" without adequately proving who is at fault and disregarding EU resolutions regarding software changes on consumer devices.
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I was too brief and not clear. I know that it's the reseller that actually denies warranty, but that's why Samsung tells them to behave like that. So it's not an actual choice of the reseller.
Regarding me, I should sue H3g, for example, since I bought the phone from my provider, but they simply ask Samsung if the phone can be replaced or repaired under warranty and nothing more.
So what I said was actually wrong, but still suing H3g is not worth to.
Btw: many people in Italy buy their phone directly from Samsung, we've got some Samsung Stores.

When I lived in Sweden they fixed my USB port for free(device had tripped Knox). And now when I live in Poland they just said that they won't replace the charging port because my knox is tripped (at the time I didn't even know it cause I bought a used device) and they told me that they will fix it for like 250-300 USD. So I just took it from them and the device was magically working fine! :silly:

lucaoldb said:
I was too brief and not clear. I know that it's the reseller that actually denies warranty, but that's why Samsung tells them to behave like that. So it's not an actual choice of the reseller.
Regarding me, I should sue H3g, for example, since I bought the phone from my provider, but they simply ask Samsung if the phone can be replaced or repaired under warranty and nothing more.
So what I said was actually wrong, but still suing H3g is not worth to.
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This applies to EU devices and users in the EU;
Now I understand. Thanks. Online discussions always confused me because people wouldn't differentiate between the voluntary OEM warranty and the statutory RETAILER warranty. Latter one is required and regulated by law. It's the statutory warranty you have to claim in case your OEM states in his terms and conditions that rooting/unlocking the device voids the OEM warranty. To rightfully deny the statutory warranty, your retailer has to conclusively prove that your action of rooting/altering the software of the device has caused the defect/malfunction. Often times, getting his instructions from the OEM, your retailer will simply deny the statutory warrant claim. In the case of Samsung and Knox, their only argument is the KNOX counter in a Samsung device's Bootloader menu as shown below. As any of you can conclude, this is not a valid argument to deny a claim. It does not prove who/what has caused the defect/malfunction. Within the first six months it's your retailers job to prove that the issue was NOT present at the time of delivery and/or caused by customer. After the six month period, it becomes your job to prove the issue WAS PRESENT at time of delivery and/or that you or your actions did not cause the issue. See "Legal Burden Of Proof (Wikipedia Link)".
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

You are definitely right.
Just one thing, if you are not a consumer, warranty is just one year.
Apart from that, a tripped Knox could never break the functionality of the home button or something like it, so that warranty should never be denied in such cases.
But a different hardware issue, let's say a broken chip, could be related to a massive overclock... So they could very likely say that the hardware fault is a consequence of your tinkering with custom software.
I mean, I know that's it's the retailer that must give you the evidence that there is a connection between the hardware issue and you behaviour, but in Italy they simply deny warranty with such arguments. And it's up to you to go on and look for a lawyer, which will prevent most people from doing anything.

Okay, thanks for the answers. It's much clearer now.