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Your factory warranty will not be voided if you simply root you device. A simple OTA update (say too Kit kat, from approved channels) WILL trip KNOX. My wife's stock 8" got the update through Samsung and the fuse tripped. Those of you *****ing about it are going to sure be red when you do update to KitKat and find out its been tripped. I work for a legacy company that only uses secure devices. That's why we have KNOX, its not for a witch hunt to find out who has rooted what and wiggle out of the warranty. Unless you change how the CPU works ( overclocking and such) that can damage the device, that is a different story. But simply rooting without any additional adjustments other than program removal, debloating or changing how buttons work will not void your manufacturers warranty.
This has been bugging me for while.
Sorry.
Back to Star trek.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root
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Your factory warranty will not be voided if you simply root you device. A simple OTA update (say too Kit kat, from approved channels) WILL trip KNOX. My wife's stock 8" got the update through Samsung and the fuse tripped. Those of you *****ing about it are going to sure be red when you do update to KitKat and find out its been tripped. I work for a legacy company that only uses secure devices. That's why we have KNOX, its not for a witch hunt to find out who has rooted what and wiggle out of the warranty. Unless you change how the CPU works ( overclocking and such) that can damage the device, that is a different story. But simply rooting without any additional adjustments other than program removal, debloating or changing how buttons work will not void your manufacturers warranty.
This has been bugging me for while.
Sorry.
Back to Star trek.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root
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In download mode it quite clearly reads "warranty is void". Now if that message will be honored by the manufacturer and/or vendor (it) is another story altogether. But as far as the device knows the warranty *is* Void and none of your links deny that.
Now knox , may well have been designed for corporate security, sure, but that doesn't stop Samsung to also use it to deny paying for warranties. You , can call it a scheme as much as you want, but there is not one official source to deny that.
Was the knox wire tripped from official update? Bummer, no warranty for you...
Samsung in Scandinavia (Samsung Nordic office) has confirmed that a tripped knox is auto void warranty ...
A friend of mine works for a major tech importer (they sell to retailers, but also handle a good deal of the warranty shipping/repairs etc) for the scandinavian countries and according to him the support dept is supposed to check if the knox fuse is 0X0 before they do anything with the device. Major bummer!!
Upgrading my Note 3 from stock 4.3 to stock 4.4 most definitely did NOT trip my Knox counter. There would be no reason for that to happen, since Knox checks for non-Samsung firmware, and an update sent out by Samsung is (obviously) Samsung firmware.
A factory update will trip the fuse. Knox is added after the initial os is compiled. The problem is that most service centers or regional Samsung centers don't even really understand what KNOX is for. So when they see it tripped they assume that you did something detrimental to the device. When we purchased 150 s4, 8" and 10" we had a Samsung coporate rep show our staff the many enterprise features that can be implemented on the devices. He's the one that told us that simply a rooted device will not void warranty. We have had over 20 devices covered under warranty by 3 different service centers that have been rooted. Now changing Roms and kernels are a different story, we had warranty rejected by the same regional centers for 3 of our devices that we were doing testing on that had these. We have dealt with this extensively over the last 6 months or so.
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The counter trips when ANYONE attempts to rewrite or change the original firmware, factory or otherwise. This includes updates from Samsung. They don't even have the ability to reset the fuse. It requires surgery on the device.
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This simply isn't true.
The purpose of Knox is not to check for any updates but to check for tampering with the bootloader. I know nothing of the circumstances of your sister's update but numerous people have updated Knox-enabled devices with stock updates and Knox has NOT been tripped nor is it supposed to be.
Apart from anything, what you say defies common sense. What would be the purpose of a hardware fuse that tripped when any update is applied? Knox is there so that enterprises can check whether a device has been tampered with and deny certain functionality if that has happened. This wouldn't work if it were tripped by authorised updates.
There are threads here and in other forums that show that Knox is not tripped by standard updates or flashing stock ROMs (although there are limited examples where this has happened - they are very much the minority).
Added to which, there have been conflicting statements made by Samsung and its representatives over the implications of Knox 0x1. Some have said that all warranties are void. Some that warranty may not be refused if the problem is unequivocally unconnected with rooting/installing a 3rd party ROM (e.g. the home button breaking). The situation is far from clear and concerns over the implications of tripping the Knox fuse will remain well-founded until there is an authoritative statement from Samsung that Knox 0x1 will never void the hardware warranty and such a statement has not yet been made and probably never will be.
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A factory update will trip the fuse. Knox is added after the initial os is compiled. The problem is that most service centers or regional Samsung centers don't even really understand what KNOX is for. So when they see it tripped they assume that you did something detrimental to the device. When we purchased 150 s4, 8" and 10" we had a Samsung coporate rep show our staff the many enterprise features that can be implemented on the devices. He's the one that told us that simply a rooted device will not void warranty. We have had over 20 devices covered under warranty by 3 different service centers that have been rooted. Now changing Roms and kernels are a different story, we had warranty rejected by the same regional centers for 3 of our devices that we were doing testing on that had these. We have dealt with this extensively over the last 6 months or so.
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The counter trips when ANYONE attempts to rewrite or change the original firmware, factory or otherwise. This includes updates from Samsung. They don't even have the ability to reset the fuse. It requires surgery on the device.
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That is simply not true. I've updated my Galaxy Note 3 from Samsung official firmware to Samsung official firmware, and my Knox counter is not tripped. I'm sure if what you are saying is true (that any update will trip it), we would have heard from some Android news outlet or from a lot more than one person on XDA.
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I and many others up- and downgrade already their Note with OTA, Kies, Odin and so long you flash a original firmware signed by Samsung, the Knox counter is not set.
And the story with the warranty is something else. So long we didn't get reports that someone didn't get the warranty, I am observant.
KNOX is what it is. It affects probably 5% of people (enthusiasts) who buy Samsung devices. The other 95% don't know what root or a bootloader is and probably won't ever activate KNOX (the app) and it'll lay dormant on their devices forever. KNOX 2.0 is coming so those hoping it'll go away or that the *****ing of the 5% is somehow going to influence Samsung's position on KNOX either have to learn to live with it or buy non-Samsung devices.
BYOD is a huge market and why KNOX exists. The 5% of device owners that hate KNOX and the limitations on modding it applies are expendable.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/new-knox-solutions-being-announced-mwc
As for warranty repairs on KNOX-tripped devices there are plenty of reports I've seen saying the warranty has been honored. That's not to say every regional Samsung repair center is going to play by the same set of rules but it also means there's no hard and fast policy that's corporate-wide designed to screw people out of warranty repairs they are entitled to.
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It took about a week between sending it in and getting it back. The issue I had was that the note would not reboot if you pulled the battery and reinserted without having to connect it to the charger. Before I sent it in, i flashed back to stock using ODIN. I checked the status of the repair and it said they had replaced a component. I wasn't sure if they were going to do anything since I had tripped KNOX counter.
**The kicker**
I got it back today and immediately went into download mode and to my surprise, KNOX was reset to 0X0!! I know they said they were going to flash it back to stock when they got it, but i didn't think KNOX could be reset (even by them).
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2637718
This whole Knox thing was worrying me, as a potential UK purchaser of a Note 10.1 2014 who needs root to be able to run several apps that I want to use.
If rooting was going to void the warranty anyway, I would have just bought a cheaper USA model and be done with it (as there would be no UK warranty anyway). However if I should still get my two-years EU warranty then I might pay the exorbitant UK prices for a local model. Someone really ought to introduce the tech companies to the exchange rate (even with taxes & duties, US is still miles cheaper)
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KNOX is what it is. It affects probably 5% of people (enthusiasts) who buy Samsung devices. The other 95% don't know what root or a bootloader is and probably won't ever activate KNOX (the app) and it'll lay dormant on their devices forever. KNOX 2.0 is coming so those hoping it'll go away or that the *****ing of the 5% is somehow going to influence Samsung's position on KNOX either have to learn to live with it or buy non-Samsung devices.
BYOD is a huge market and why KNOX exists. The 5% of device owners that hate KNOX and the limitations on modding it applies are expendable.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/new-knox-solutions-being-announced-mwc
As for warranty repairs on KNOX-tripped devices there are plenty of reports I've seen saying the warranty has been honored. That's not to say every regional Samsung repair center is going to play by the same set of rules but it also means there's no hard and fast policy that's corporate-wide designed to screw people out of warranty repairs they are entitled to.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2637718
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With a Jtag box it is possible to downgrade from Knox, provided you have a previously made pre Knox backup. From what I understand, even by rewriting the entire ROM space, you still can't reset the warranty bit. Not sure where exactly it is. As for People11's note coming back with it reset, he mentioned they "replaced a component." Whatever they replaced apparently held the warranty bit. Samsung might not even be able to reset it themselves, but swapping out the right hardware with fresh stuff will (obviously) take care of it.
It is true that only a small percentage of all users are affected by Knox; however, they are all on xda, and in fact make up the vast majority here. Samsung can do whatever they want to their phones, and I'm sure the warranty bit will save them a chunk of change. Still, it doesn't mean it's not a total **** move, and worthy of *****ing. The development behind Samsung devices is part of what makes them so great, and why people love them.
Tossing a big "F you" in the face of the people that make that happen is in bad taste. I also think you are underestimating the amount of users who root their phones, and the influence developers and the like have on a devices success. Not all development is for root users, but the people responsible for the best stuff, root or otherwise, are typically people who use root.
Sure, the galaxy s 5 will never end up being burried en masse out in the desert a la E.T The extraterrestrial, and I'm sure the Samsung executives won't be going hungry anytime soon no matter how much they crack down on warranty claims. Long term, however, I would say that restricting development and a devices friendliness towards modification will have a detrimental effect as time goes on.
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With a Jtag box it is possible to downgrade from Knox, provided you have a previously made pre Knox backup. From what I understand, even by rewriting the entire ROM space, you still can't reset the warranty bit. Not sure where exactly it is. As for People11's note coming back with it reset, he mentioned they "replaced a component." Whatever they replaced apparently held the warranty bit. Samsung might not even be able to reset it themselves, but swapping out the right hardware with fresh stuff will (obviously) take care of it.
It is true that only a small percentage of all users are affected by Knox; however, they are all on xda, and in fact make up the vast majority here. Samsung can do whatever they want to their phones, and I'm sure the warranty bit will save them a chunk of change. Still, it doesn't mean it's not a total **** move, and worthy of *****ing. The development behind Samsung devices is part of what makes them so great, and why people love them.
Tossing a big "F you" in the face of the people that make that happen is in bad taste. I also think you are underestimating the amount of users who root their phones, and the influence developers and the like have on a devices success. Not all development is for root users, but the people responsible for the best stuff, root or otherwise, are typically people who use root.
Sure, the galaxy s 5 will never end up being burried en masse out in the desert a la E.T The extraterrestrial, and I'm sure the Samsung executives won't be going hungry anytime soon no matter how much they crack down on warranty claims. Long term, however, I would say that restricting development and a devices friendliness towards modification will have a detrimental effect as time goes on.
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There were 968M smartphones sold in 2013. There are 5M XDA members of varying degrees of participation. Based on how vocal we are here it's easy to overestimate our importance. If unlocked bootloaders, pure android, and unfettered root access were so meaningful you'd think Nexus h/w would make up more than its current 2% of total Android devices in use. The masses could care less about the things XDA'rs do.
But keep in mind the LARGE number of Chinese phones open to root (some use it as a marketing point like Oppo) the Chinese market is full of hackers and modders because that is the only way to access many forms of media, news, and social networking. Combined with the higher average test scores and heavy android preference in the developing nations and I would say the number of people with us is Far greater than 5 million. Enough to make any one company take notice. These people crave freedom. As do I. I think we take the ignorance of the average American consumer and imagine it represents the whole of the world. But in reality America is Just full of idiots and xda represents the few good in the nation (and of course other nations)
Other nations are full of much more savvy and informed consumers. More like us.
Some of my SS device bought from another country so they have no warranty
I have fun with them a lot rooting/custom rom flashing.
But now with my P601 I bought it in my country it has warranty ....
so I am not thinking about rooting or anything.....
ps000000 said:
Some of my SS device bought from another country so they have no warranty
I have fun with them a lot rooting/custom rom flashing.
But now with my P601 I bought it in my country it has warranty ....
so I am not thinking about rooting or anything.....
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Square trade man... Saves lives
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Square trade man... Saves lives
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I have a SquareTrade policy on my Note. However, the SquareTrade excludes damage due to software. So, I would expect that if the Knox flag is tripped then the SquareTrade dollars are worthless. Unless one wants to go the dark route and submerse the Note in water "accidentally."
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I have a SquareTrade policy on my Note. However, the SquareTrade excludes damage due to software. So, I would expect that if the Knox flag is tripped then the SquareTrade dollars are worthless. Unless one wants to go the dark route and submerse the Note in water "accidentally."
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I don't that the Knox being tripped would void square trade...
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Square trade man... Saves lives
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Tell me more... Is square trade cool or what.. Just spent 656 on a smp605 and I don't know if I have a warranty or not... I know inhabe a month and 127 bucks is not allot.
MB865/ST-ATT/4.4.2/BMM
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SMP605- ? brand new
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Tell me more... Is square trade cool or what.. Just spent 656 on a smp605 and I don't know if I have a warranty or not... I know inhabe a month and 127 bucks is not allot.
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Just go to the square trade website.
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My S4 is acting very weird any help would be great, a few days ago a touches the power button to wake my phone and the screen did not respond, but I'm noticing that I slide my finder as soon as I press the wake/power on button it responds but then it stop ..... anyone else has had the same issue ???? and if so is it possible to solve it without an expensive trip to a support person, btw I no longer have coverage from my company to take it in and have it fixed
You are completely stock?
I have exactly the same issue.Got the Phone from a Friend,noticed it acts like you described and thought it will fix itself after beeing rooted and flashed with a custom ROM (i killed Knoxcounter with that,3xx days Warranty left down the drain).
Nothing will help,no factory reset/cachewipe/reflashing of stock-firmware or any Xposed Crash-Fix-Module.
I changed the battery,used it without SD Card,without SIM and even tried the "Secure Mode" Samsung support suggested.
I`ve read some posts about this problem and everyone that reported back said he had to hand over the device to Samsung and got either a replacement board or a new Device alltogether.
Expect 200€ costs (as i do,since i would love to totally kill the board so Samsung doesn`t see the Knoxcounter but don`t know how and i think they find a way to see whats up),i will send mine in tomorrow i guess...
Tlailaxu said:
I have exactly the same issue.Got the Phone from a Friend,noticed it acts like you described and thought it will fix itself after beeing rooted and flashed with a custom ROM (i killed Knoxcounter with that,3xx days Warranty left down the drain).
Nothing will help,no factory reset/cachewipe/reflashing of stock-firmware or any Xposed Crash-Fix-Module.
I changed the battery,used it without SD Card,without SIM and even tried the "Secure Mode" Samsung support suggested.
I`ve read some posts about this problem and everyone that reported back said he had to hand over the device to Samsung and got either a replacement board or a new Device alltogether.
Expect 200€ costs (as i do,since i would love to totally kill the board so Samsung doesn`t see the Knoxcounter but don`t know how and i think they find a way to see whats up),i will send mine in tomorrow i guess...
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Why are you so sure that Samsung won't fix it? I see you use €, that means you are in the EU.
No rooting, flashing, will ever void your consumer rights. So the store you bought it from still has to fix it, if it's a hardware failure.
Here in the Netherlands Samsung will always fix your phone even if you bricked it. So don't believe those stories about tripping Knox voiding warranty. Because in a lot of cases it's just not true.
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Why are you so sure that Samsung won't fix it? I see you use €, that means you are in the EU.
No rooting, flashing, will ever void your consumer rights. So the store you bought it from still has to fix it, if it's a hardware failure.
Here in the Netherlands Samsung will always fix your phone even if you bricked it. So don't believe those stories about tripping Knox voiding warranty. Because in a lot of cases it's just not true.
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Well,i am not sure but its a 50/50 chance and i am scared that they will refuse since it goes to a Samsung Certified Repaircompany and if you look at this post here,it doesn´t sound like they will overlook the knox-thing
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56694012#post56694012
This person is from Germany,i live there too at the moment
edit: to clarify,i can not return it to the store the device was bought from.They say,after 1 year i have to handle this with Samsung directly
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Well,i am not sure but its a 50/50 chance and i am scared that they will refuse since it goes to a Samsung Certified Repaircompany and if you look at this post here,it doesn´t sound like they will overlook the knox-thing
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56694012#post56694012
This person is from Germany,i live there too at the moment
edit: to clarify,i can not return it to the store the device was bought from.They say,after 1 year i have to handle this with Samsung directly
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It's not allowed what Samsung is doing.
And your store has to accept it. You should look at some consumer sites in your country. It's probably at least 2 years that they have to fix it for you (it could be longer, but not less).
The Shop grants 1 Year Warranty (which the device is over since 2 months or so) and Samsung offers a 2 Years period (first year covered trough the shop,so THEY have to deal with Samsung and you have to deal with Samsung for the remaining Year if anything goes wrong).
Samsung clearly states that the warranty is void if you trigger the knox-counter so it is up to the repaircenter to do it or not.Since i think they are "doing it by the book",the first thing they do is check Knox.If it is triggered,they will not even open it or see what the problem is,they will notify you that the warranty is gone because of Knox.
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The Shop grants 1 Year Warranty (which the device is over since 2 months or so) and Samsung offers a 2 Years period (first year covered trough the shop,so THEY have to deal with Samsung and you have to deal with Samsung for the remaining Year if anything goes wrong).
Samsung clearly states that the warranty is void if you trigger the knox-counter so it is up to the repaircenter to do it or not.Since i think they are "doing it by the book",the first thing they do is check Knox.If it is triggered,they will not even open it or see what the problem is,they will notify you that the warranty is gone because of Knox.
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The shop isn't allowed to give 1 year warranty. It's at least 2 years.
As I said, check German consumer sites. See for example this:
http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/shopping-abroad/guarantees/index_en.htm
Thats what they told me,it was basically "get in contact with Samsung,we wouldn`t do anything different".Thing is,i just asked a techguy from a certified Samsung-Repaircompany on another Forum IF they refuse to act on warranty if they notice Knox is on 0x1 and he said something like "we check for tampering with the software/rooting and refuse to repair on warranty if there is an indication for it.Knox on 0x1 counts as indication".
So,there is no way to send it in and expect them to replace the board without payment.
Just got off with samsung support and the agent told me knox being 0x1 won't affect the warranty. I'm probably going to root anyways, but if anyone has any actual experiences with samsung and a 0x1 warranty, would you care to share?
Iffy... to say the least. I would of got what they said in writing lol
Ausboy 2011 said:
Iffy... to say the least. I would of got what they said in writing lol
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exactly what i did, well not exactly writing, but typing is close enough. Having issues rooting atm, keep getting nand write start failed with chainroots method. I have the SMN910U
If they can prove the software caused the problems then they can outright refuse to fix it under warranty if the KNOX flag is 0x1.
So if it's just Root running on Stock Sammy it should be fine, however a custom rom on the other hand they will most likely just say it's a software issue and refuse to fix anything wrong.
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If they can prove the software caused the problems then they can outright refuse to fix it under warranty if the KNOX flag is 0x1.
So if it's just Root running on Stock Sammy it should be fine, however a custom rom on the other hand they will most likely just say it's a software issue and refuse to fix anything wrong.
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Thanks for the insight, I have only had one warranty incident with Samsung. I had to send in my note 3 (same day I got it, so it wasn't even setup). The warranty repair was a breeze though.
just rooted my phone and am noticing some major lag here and there. Anyone else?
Comment for visibility. I need to know this aswell
Fuzzi99 said:
If they can prove the software caused the problems then they can outright refuse to fix it under warranty if the KNOX flag is 0x1.
So if it's just Root running on Stock Sammy it should be fine, however a custom rom on the other hand they will most likely just say it's a software issue and refuse to fix anything wrong.
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Hey bud, I got my Note 4 from NZ and you think if I root my note 4, if there are problems with it, would the NZ Samsung team fix it?
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Hey bud, I got my Note 4 from NZ and you think if I root my note 4, if there are problems with it, would the NZ Samsung team fix it?
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unless they can prove the software caused an issue, or you just happen to a rep that is a stickler for the rules it should be fine
it depends on which samsung service center.
Depends on a lot of things, but mainly on the rep you get (if he's anal or not) and the kind of problem you wanna fix. If it's a hardware problem 99% of the time a 0x1 wont be a problem. Software may be another story. My advice? if you care about the warranty, don't root. Personally my devices last less than 6 months with me anyway so I root the second I get it (after I check everythings working of course).
It depends on the service centre and the general Samsung policies in each country. In the UK I've had my tablet repaired twice with Knox 0x1. First time the screen completely died, second time I had problems with the back cover and glue behind the screen (from the bad first repair). Both times nobody mentioned anything about Knox. Not to mention the tablet was running a stock 4.4.2 firmware not yet available in the UK.
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my first note 4 was rooted and knox warranty change to 0x1 from 0x0 after some days using 5 or more pixels died and send it to service center and swap my phone with new note 4 by new warranty duration
in this case defeated knox by rooting dose not affect on warranty
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It depends on the service centre and the general Samsung policies in each country. In the UK I've had my tablet repaired twice with Knox 0x1. First time the screen completely died, second time I had problems with the back cover and glue behind the screen (from the bad first repair). Both times nobody mentioned anything about Knox. Not to mention the tablet was running a stock 4.4.2 firmware not yet available in the UK.
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That's good to hear. Did you use an authorised repair centre (and if so, which one?) or send it in to Samsung directly?
When I asked a local repair centre, they were adamant that knox or rooting would void warranty as far as they were concerned. It all seems to be pot luck depending on who you speak to. E.g. here's a response from a Samsung representative on Facebook saying the same thing: https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileUK/posts/651768151530771, but some others have also reported they've had success in getting repairs under warranty.
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That's good to hear. Did you use an authorised repair centre (and if so, which one?) or send it in to Samsung directly?
When I asked a local repair centre, they were adamant that knox or rooting would void warranty as far as they were concerned. It all seems to be pot luck depending on who you speak to. E.g. here's a response from a Samsung representative on Facebook saying the same thing: https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileUK/posts/651768151530771, but some others have also reported they've had success in getting repairs under warranty.
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I filed a repair request online, Samsung sent a package with prepaid post, put my tablet and charger in and took it to the post office. I believe it went somewhere in England, even though I live in Scotland. So, yeah, I sent it directly to Samsung.
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Hi guys,
I bought a brand new Note 4 at the end of January to replace my completely busted HTC One M8, and i'm wondering, is it REALLY worth it to trip the KNOX Warranty status to 0x1 to Root and install a Custom ROM? Would love to hear some feedback as I love the device and its my first Samsung since the Note 3 (which i never voided my KNOX warranty on)
Thanks in advance!
kylebeattie11 said:
Hi guys,
I bought a brand new Note 4 at the end of January to replace my completely busted HTC One M8, and i'm wondering, is it REALLY worth it to trip the KNOX Warranty status to 0x1 to Root and install a Custom ROM? Would love to hear some feedback as I love the device and its my first Samsung since the Note 3 (which i never voided my KNOX warranty on)
Thanks in advance!
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This is a common misconception that people have. KNOX warranty does not void your entire phone's warranty. It only voids your KNOX security portion of the warranty. If you do not use KNOX, you don't have to worry about the KNOX flag. When KNOX flag goes up, the phone loses its secure storage environment access (your phone is saying that it cannot run KNOX mode anymore because some file intruded the KNOX secure environment storage access). Once again, if you do not use KNOX, no worries.
There is nothing holding you back from rooting. It comes down to your personal preference. Personally, I am not a fan of rooting because I just think that there are sufficient customization that I can do by installing apps from Google Play.
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This is a common misconception that people have. KNOX warranty does not void your entire phone's warranty. It only voids your KNOX security portion of the warranty. If you do not use KNOX, you don't have to worry about the KNOX flag. When KNOX flag goes up, the phone loses its secure storage environment access (your phone is saying that it cannot run KNOX mode anymore because some file intruded the KNOX secure environment storage access).
There is nothing holding you back from rooting. It comes down to your personal preference. Personally, I am not a fan of rooting because I just think that there are sufficient customization that I can do by installing an app from Google Play.
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Thanks for cleaning that up for me, didn't really know that!
kylebeattie11 said:
Thanks for cleaning that up for me, didn't really know that!
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Sure, not a problem mate!
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This is a common misconception that people have. KNOX warranty does not void your entire phone's warranty. It only voids your KNOX security portion of the warranty. If you do not use KNOX, you don't have to worry about the KNOX flag. When KNOX flag goes up, the phone loses its secure storage environment access (your phone is saying that it cannot run KNOX mode anymore because some file intruded the KNOX secure environment storage access). Once again, if you do not use KNOX, no worries.
There is nothing holding you back from rooting. It comes down to your personal preference. Personally, I am not a fan of rooting because I just think that there are sufficient customization that I can do by installing apps from Google Play.
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complete lie. it voids your entire warranty. stop lying to everyone.
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Worse than that, I've also been hearing that service center instructions are indeed that devices with this status tripped will not receive any warranty repairs.
https://plus.google.com/+Chainfire/posts/LCfF5A9fsTG
It really does depend on where you live in the world to how knox trips effect warranty claims. Here in New Zealand if theres any software issues and the knox flag is tripped you are not covered. But if it is a hardware fault then you covered under our consumer gaurentees act. It will be worth finding out for your specific countries laws around this issue and to see if you are covered, then make an educated decision.
i rooted mine.. but i cant really say that im using anything specific now im rooted (yeah greenify with root acces and titanium backup and a kernel) still on stock lollipop rom.
my wife got her huawei mate 7 yesterday, and it has to be replaced becouse a problem in the hardware.
I hope that i will still have warranty in case something happens
[email protected] is a KNOX representative in charge of my company. I've sent 11 note tablets for repair with Knox tripped and I've received 11 replacements for free. Go ahead and contact this representative and find out for yourself instead of accusing people of false information.
do you seriously not understand the difference between a corporate account with a high priced maint agreement and a free service center claim by a consumer ?
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do you seriously not understand the difference between a corporate account with a high priced maint agreement and a free service center claim by a consumer ?
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Corporate account with a high priced maint agreement is referring strictly to when a company purchases the products in bulk from Samsung directly. We did not do that here. We've purchased around 130 units from BestBuy, not Samsung. With that being said, Samsung treat us like a normal customer, not a corporate customer. If there were hardware problems, we'll be responsible for shipping and parts needed for repair just like a normal customer.
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Corporate account with a high priced maint agreement is referring strictly to when a company purchases the products in bulk from Samsung directly. We did not do that here. We've purchased around 130 units from BestBuy, not Samsung. With that being said, Samsung treat us like a normal customer, not a corporate customer. If there were hardware problems, we'll be responsible for shipping and parts needed for repair just like a normal customer.
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lets not be silly here. you have a samsung.com guy with an email address assigned for your use. your average consumer does not buy a 130(!) devices. they buy one. and they do not return 11(!) units. they return one. and so far the average person here across literally dozens of threads has been rejected for having the knox warranty flag tripped.
i assure you that if you go into a service center today with a knox flag tripped on your personal device they will tell you to get lost. im sure if you return it thru your corporate contact on the other hand it will be replaced no questions asked. if you buy $65,000 worth of hardware (130 devices at $500-ish each) samsung is not going to treat you like an individual would be treated.
I will not argue here. When you contact Samsung KNOX department, you are automatically assigned to a representative, who is responsible for all activities including the repair. I did not disclose that we purchased 130 devices to representative. I did not return these units all at once. This has been accompolished one by one in just over a year. I also did not disclose I was an IT manager. Therefore, the rep had no idea of my occupation, my company, how many devices I own, and how many devices I am actually having problems with.
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Also, I apologize for what I said about being free. Upon checking the receipt of repair, $10 fee was added for parts (ATK88 Efuse). It stated labor, shipping and other adhesives are included in the limited 1 year warranty; thus $0 was added. Total cost was $10. There were no taxes added to the final cost.
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[/COLOR]Also, I apologize for what I said about being free. Upon checking the receipt of repair, $10 fee was added for parts (ATK88 Efuse). It stated labor, shipping and other adhesives are included in the limited 1 year warranty; thus $0 was added. Total cost was $10. There were no taxes added to the final cost.
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what did the exact line item say ? Does it give the exact part number of the efuse ?
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I will not argue here. When you contact Samsung KNOX department, you are automatically assigned to a representative, who is responsible for all activities including the repair. I did not disclose that we purchased 130 devices to representative. I did not return these units all at once. This has been accompolished one by one in just over a year. I also did not disclose I was an IT manager. Therefore, the rep had no idea of my occupation, my company, how many devices I own, and how many devices I am actually having problems with.
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Also, I apologize for what I said about being free. Upon checking the receipt of repair, $10 fee was added for parts (ATK88 Efuse). It stated labor, shipping and other adhesives are included in the limited 1 year warranty; thus $0 was added. Total cost was $10. There were no taxes added to the final cost.
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what did the exact line item say ? Does it give the exact part number of the efuse ?
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Holy **** yes, if we know exactly what's the part and how to replace it we can solve the problem!
Here is exactly what it says.
Parts: Costs:
EFuse(P/N: ATK88) $10
EFuse(P/N: ATK89) Included(ATK88)
EFuse(P/N: ATK89//18) Included(ATK89)
EFuse EEPROM SW. Included under dep. //18
Adhesives/Labor. Refer to Terms and Conditions
Total Cost: $10
I don't have time or energy to poke around the phone anymore and compared to the Galaxy S3, Note 4 is not as bloated or slow, I don't have any stutter or lag and I don't care about custom roms for now, so there really isn't any reason for me to root at the moment. Only real thing I'd want to do if I were to root would be to increase volume on headphones and remove the bloody notification about too high volume, but I can live with that. I got free premium insurance from the carrier because I preordered it so knox wouldn't matter if I were to need repairs.
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I don't have time or energy to poke around the phone anymore and compared to the Galaxy S3, Note 4 is not as bloated or slow, I don't have any stutter or lag and I don't care about custom roms for now, so there really isn't any reason for me to root at the moment. Only real thing I'd want to do if I were to root would be to increase volume on headphones and remove the bloody notification about too high volume, but I can live with that. I got free premium insurance from the carrier because I preordered it so knox wouldn't matter if I were to need repairs.
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I personally always root so I can use automatic backup + upload to google drive of Titanium Backup. That thing has saved my ass so many times I've lost count.
Plus, upgrading to a new phone is a breeze since you can just restore settings with titanium.
Also, Cerberus. If you're rooted you can flash cerberus from TWRP, which makes it impossible to remove, even with full wipe and reflash.
at service centers , they do not check root status by accessing your phone
They just boot in odin mode and check whether device status is 0x1 or 0x0 and if it is 0x1 they will just consider warranty is voided and wont cover it.
If your device status is 0x1 you can never change it to 0x0 again.
End of the story :- you have to pay every buck for the damage
I've not rooted for this very reason. The local UK repairers for the shop I buy my gear from says they will not warranty service a rooted device. Kinda sucks as isn't this the benefit of Android?!
Secondly, I've not found a reason to lose my warranty over this as every samsung device I've owned over the last 5 years has been returned under warranty for one reason or another (note through to note 4 plus Tab s).
Guess ill wait another 6 months to root
There u have it folks!
I'm SPEECHLESS!!!! Walked in to a NYC Samsung repair center today, with a cracked glass on my back panel.
No -- I understand that I've voided the warranty by tripping knox, but to refuse a to-be-paid, out-of-warranty glass replacement because I have my phone rooted and their "hardware tests are failing" and that's the Samsung policy?????
Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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There u have it folks!
I'm SPEECHLESS!!!! Walked in to a NYC Samsung repair center today, with a cracked glass on my back panel.
No -- I understand that I've voided the warranty by tripping knox, but to refuse a to-be-paid, out-of-warranty glass replacement because I have my phone rooted and their "hardware tests are failing" and that's the Samsung policy?????
Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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Wow - really? That sounds like someone has misinterpreted the policy. It's an out of warranty job that should be reasonably charged and that's that - what has knox got to do with anything? Even if the Knox flag wasn't tripped it would still be an out of warranty job. I'd complain to the store manager and probably to Samsung's social media contacts as well because that just doesn't sound right.
Knox cannot affect any repair, paid or not. USA has a law same as the EU about having the right to modify your own phone.
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I'd complain to the store manager and probably to Samsung's social media contacts
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This came from the store manager -- and trust me, I made my best effort to get all the same points across. The exact wording was this: "as an Authorized Samsung Repair Center, we're obligated to perform a series of hardware tests before returning the phone to the customer. Our hardware tests started failing right away because you have a tripped KNOX counter, so we couldn't proceed with the repair. It's the Samsung policy". Period. I guess their test #1 is, if Knox counter is greater than 0, FAIL. Maybe I should talk to a lawyer and see if I can somehow claim that Samsung wrongfully exposes me to a health hazard (being cut by broken glass) by refusing the repair under a made-up pretext.
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This came from the store manager -- and trust me, I made my best effort to get all the same points across. The exact wording was this: "as an Authorized Samsung Repair Center, we're obligated to perform a series of hardware tests before returning the phone to the customer. Our hardware tests started failing right away because you have a tripped KNOX counter, so we couldn't proceed with the repair. It's the Samsung policy". Period. I guess their test #1 is, if Knox counter is greater than 0, FAIL. Maybe I should talk to a lawyer and see if I can somehow claim that Samsung wrongfully exposes me to a health hazard (being cut by broken glass) by refusing the repair under a made-up pretext.
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Sounds like the manager is an idiot tbh.
His explanation makes no sense whatsoever.
The whole Knox status voids warranty in the States is crap but even that is irrelevant.
I'd make a noise on their twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc and probably give their customer service line a call as well (assuming they have one there?) as this manager's stance just doesn't make any sense
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They are just covering their assess. It's failing a test they perform to make sure everything is in working order. So what happens when they repair the screen and something is not working properly, they will be on the hook to fix it. That being said I don't understand why they can't say if any other problems are there you will have to pay for the fix.
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Today I flashed stock recovery, stock kernel, stock ROM, did a factory reset and went back to the same center. I wanted to ask them to retry the same hardware tests again to see if maybe they succeed this time, with all software being stock. They obviously recognized me from the day before, checked the KNOX counter and just reiterated what I had suspected from the outset; that's it's not really about any "hardware test failing", but a straightforward policy. If KNOX is tripped, don't touch the phone for any reason. The manager said, "we have to guarantee any repair work for 90 days. If KNOX is tripped, we can't do that." They told me to try my luck with their main corporate office in Dallas. I guess I'll give it a shot.
Samsung REFUSES a Paid, Out-of-warranty Glass Replacement CITING TRIPPED KNOX...
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Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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Why would they change their policy if people just go out and buy a replacement ? They win, they now have two sales instead of one.
Seems redundant & contradictory being 'outraged' and then to open your wallet and give them more cash.
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Knox cannot affect any repair, paid or not. USA has a law same as the EU about having the right to modify your own phone.
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Not sure where your getting EU info from but it's incorrect. They still void your hardware warranty and can refuse repairs / service of any description in the EU if your Knox efuse has been tripped.
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I will have to find it. Modifying your phone is a legal right in the UK same as usa. If your modification is the cause of the issue they can charge but if unrelated they can't and the warranty remains.
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Why would they change their policy if people just go out and buy a replacement ? They win, they now have two sales instead of one.
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Nah, come on, I am sure the aim of this policy was not to squeeze the last penny out of their bottom line. it's a major international conglomerate! They sell millions of appliances in every country of the world! This policy literally came out of the mouth of some lazy bureaucrat in charge of handset service, who basically took a quick shortcut and called it a day instead of thinking through the many different possibilities! Hey, to me being out of a few hundred bucks is not the end of the world either. But it's just so WRONG on so many levels! It sends a BAD message about Android, and a BAD message about Samsung! This was not meant to be an Apple shop! I fell in love with this phone -- I switched from HTC One, and I EVEN switched from ATT to TMobile just so I can have unlocked bootloader and modify to my heart's content! And now they're gonna give me this nonsense about tripped KNOX when my issue is broken glass?? BAD, WRONG, STUPID policy! Gosh, I wish I could get this message to a higher level executive rather than customer service.
Anyway, I called the main Dallas headquarters, told them about tripped KNOX and my experience at the NYC center, and the rep told me to send it in to their main service center anyway and see what happens. He wouldn't say if tripped KNOX would be a deal breaker or not. He said generally tripped KNOX is a big deal, but they have more sophisticated equipment than the regional centers typically, they'll examine the phone, see "how" Knox was tripped and take it from there. Sending it in today and going to be without a phone for the next week or so. Hoping for common sense to prevail..
Common sense? Come on, you know that has no place in here...
Personally I have never understood how a software issue could be used to deny a warranty or repair claim on something like a shattered screen. I mean seriously, I now have root access, how did that make my screen crack? Now if my radio or something went wonky I could understand. But a broken screen???
May I suggest buying a replacement glass and making the fix yourself ? I did this myself 3 times on my Z3c and it's actually very easy to do.
This phone isn't really the Z3...
True, but the process should be the same. Heat it up with a hairdryer, remove and then install the new back cover which already has the adhesive on it.
You can watch a tutorial here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RD44M4J-Rk
And for replacement parts I used this website http://www.witrigs.com/replacements-for-samsung-galaxy-s6-edge
If you don't feel confident about doing this yourself you can go to any phone service and they will do it for you on the spot for a small charge of course.
Should not cost you more than 30$, I bet Samsung will charge a lot more (that is if they agree to repair it).
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And for replacement parts I used this website
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Wow! Unbelievable! Thank you so much for the reference! The phone feels so solidly built that I didn't even think of researching this because I thought messing with it by hand is totally out of the question! I have it currently shipped to Dallas service center, but if rejected, I will definitely try this! :good:
Update: phone was rejected by the Samsung main service center. "BER", "beyond economic repair". Pathetic.
I've ordered the replacement glass on ebay! Looking forward to making the repair myself! Thanks @kind3r!
*09/09/2015//19:18:50//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
9/9/2015 6:13 PM-PBA Inspection: The unit has left the technician. SOLUTION: BER
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Device rooted/Knox warranty failure
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9/9/2015 7:41 AM-Jennifer Bastardo: Accessory: sim card tray
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9/9/2015 7:41 AM-Jennifer Bastardo: The unit has been received. Pack Condition: Fair Packaging (Box & Cushion)
Wth, Bastard..o
Good luck with the DIY repair, please let us know how it turns out.
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Yeah, figures ...
What I don't understand is why ... the warranty is void anyway and it will be void the next time you turn in your phone anyway.
Perhaps they don't want to assume responsibility for damages that their technicians may do during this repair.
Good luck with your repair, I suggest using some guitar picks so you don't risk scratching the frame.
Also be careful with the broken glass as it may shatter.
That's interesting. Cracked my screen, sent it in for repair and they fixed it even with a tripped Knox counter. But that service center is a douche for doing that. And it sucks that Samsung has one of the best hardware in many expects so sometimes just saying I'm done with Samsung just may not seem like an options if you want top of the line android.
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Hey guys! My baby looks brand new again! Check out a pic! (I put the broken glass in the packaging in which the replacement arrived).
Ended up paying $17 for the glass on ebay and repairing myself. Come to think of it, having rooted my phone I walked away with a much better deal! lol Thanks again to all who stepped forward with advice!