OnePlus and Cyanogen on brink of breakup after India fight
http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/28/cyanogen-oneplus-one-india-betrayal/?ncid=rss_truncated
Crazy stuff
So what does this mean long term for us 1+1 fans ? Here's hoping we still get the official CM12S build early next year, and doesn't stop there ?
Zorachus said:
OnePlus and Cyanogen on brink of breakup after India fight
http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/28/cyanogen-oneplus-one-india-betrayal/?ncid=rss_truncated
Crazy stuff
So what does this mean long term for us 1+1 fans ? Here's hoping we still get the official CM12S build early next year, and doesn't stop there ?
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Article said that CM will still provide support for another year... by then, If CM leaves, OnePlus will have its Lollipop rom up and running already...
I havent used the stock CM rom much.. I pretty much flashed PA as soon it was out and kept using it..
Sounds like a **** move from CM, money talks though I suppose.
https://oneplus.net/blog/2014/11/a-letter-to-our-indian-users/
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It looks like it will stop updates only in India!
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I really wonder what happened here. Did the contract really allow Cyanogen Inc to make exclusivity deals as they see fit. And what OEM will work with Cyanogen in the future after having stabbed their partner in the back? Or so it seems anyway.
Oh well, lots of great ROMs available for the OnePlus One.
Well I hope cm team gives us some clarification about this...
dragoi90 said:
https://oneplus.net/blog/2014/11/a-letter-to-our-indian-users/
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It looks like it will stop updates only in India!
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not according to this quote:
Cyanogen's India deal will not affect OnePlus users elsewhere, as confirmed by Pei. At least "for another year," anyway.
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marcadam said:
Sounds like a **** move from CM, money talks though I suppose.
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Has anyone heard CM's side of the story yet? How do we know OnePlus hasn't put the screws to CM?
Untouchab1e said:
I really wonder what happened here.
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Well I hope cm team gives us some clarification about this...
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^^^ This :good: Let's wait to hear from CM before casting judgment.
CafeKampuchia said:
Has anyone heard CM's side of the story yet? How do we know OnePlus hasn't put the screws to CM?
^^^ This :good: Let's wait to hear from CM before casting judgment.
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I sincerely think cm should make money they deserve and gave for to long a free rom. OnePlus probably wants to make their own rom. They've already spoke about this before.
Maybe OnePlus used Cyanogen just to get a brand name OS to help market and sell the OnePlus One originally ? Now that the phone is out, and selling more than they can produce, maybe OPO got cocky and said, hey we don't need CM to sell for us, we can do it ourselves in house now ?
If it went down like that, I feel bad for Cyanogen team.
I was under the wrong impression on the OPO when it was first announced long time ago. I thought Steve K. of Cyanogen was making a break to produce a phone of his own by a brand new company he partnered up with, and would run his CM ROM. And it would be a foundation of a new hardware company to produce the phone + Steve's CM ? Guess it's not like that.
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Maybe OnePlus used Cyanogen just to get a brand name OS to help market and sell the OnePlus One originally ? Now that the phone is out, and selling more than they can produce, maybe OPO got cocky and said, hey we don't need CM to sell for us, we can do it ourselves in house now ?
If it went down like that, I feel bad for Cyanogen team.
I was under the wrong impression on the OPO when it was first announced long time ago. I thought Steve K. of Cyanogen was making a break to produce a phone of his own by a brand new company he partnered up with, and would run his CM ROM. And it would be a foundation of a new hardware company to produce the phone + Steve's CM ? Guess it's not like that.
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Well I read the opo letter. They are a greedy band. With a great marketing plan. Let's see now what they'll get for us.
So CM is now the definition of stupid.
Ugh, should I quickly cancel my order?
CM are scummy and have history. They took the community contributions that were free and in the spirit of open source and tried to turn a profit.
And remember the focal camera spat?
One has to wonder how much Cyanogen's decision came as a result of One Plus One poor hardware selection. Anyone plagued by the touchscreen bug knows the pain of having an essentially unusable device. My understanding is that One Plus provided the hardware and Cyanogen the software side. If Cyanogen got a better deal with hardware assurances from another company, can't fault them from walking. I'm sure there is more to this story then meets the eye but One Plus statement is vague and unconvincing.
Totally agree. Those greedy scum should sit quietly in their offices and make ROMs for us for free without making us think about stupid things like how they pay their rent, keep their lights on or put food on their tables. Selfish profiteers!
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Totally agree. Those greedy scum should sit quietly in their offices and make ROMs for us for free without making us think about stupid things like how they pay their rent, keep their lights on or put food on their tables. Selfish profiteers!
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Loved the irony
I'm kinda excited actually , I'm curious to see what oneplus cooks up , do you think they'll go with aosp ? Their letter makes it sound like they are embracing stock android but with some tweaks , ala Motorola maybe ? One can only dream Haha
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Micromax is hardly known for it's premium phones. I'm sure they had their reasons but the lack of a clear official statement from both sides isn't very professional. I have been using CM since the days of eclair and I was happy to support them when they turned commercial but this kinda feels like a kick in the teeth.
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So have been thinking. As we did a pretty good #NeverAgain campaign way back to get Froyo to our Vibrants we could try a new approach.
We may be waiting for Samsung and T-mobile to come out with Gingerbread for the our Vibrants. I don't know what the chances for this is. But if they are planning on retiring the Vibrant (or already have) than there shouldn't be anything that keeps Samsung from releasing the sourcecode for the Vibrant. The good press that Samsung would get by releasing the source code (and I'm talking about the kernel) for the Vibrant, can be tremendous. If they are not planning on using it, than great if they release the source. If they do plan on releasing it, but also hand it over to the developers like the CM team, how much more grateful will we be as their power user group.
Keeping on the developers good side should be important for Samsung and the other manufacturers, as that also leads to a very happy power user group. Which in turn refers their products to their friends and families.
So just checking to see what the interest would be for us people that are left with the Vibrant would be involved in making a campaign like this to succeed?
#bashingsamsungandtmobileoverandoverisntgoingtogetusanythingandsinceyounameditspecificallyforthevibranttherewontevenbethatmuchsupportevenontheneveragainthepeoplefromfascinatecaptivateetccameoverandhelpedout
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#bashingsamsungandtmobileoverandoverisntgoingtogetusanythingandsinceyounameditspecificallyforthevibranttherewontevenbethatmuchsupportevenontheneveragainthepeoplefromfascinatecaptivateetccameoverandhelpedout
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You made some spelling mistakes
But yes its pointless to do that, once something is used with success it won't touch the crowd the same/losses its meaning
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You made some spelling mistakes
But yes its pointless to do that, once something is used with success it won't touch the crowd the same/losses its meaning
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I agree. The first campaign worked because it was something new and half way legitimate. If they are working on GB for us, a year after release, I don't think we have much ground to complain. Not that you can't, feel free, but now people are starting to hit the down hill slope of looking forward to their next upgrade.
Just my opinion.
Edit: I am 'tarded
The Vibrant is powerful enough to maintain a long lifespan. There really are only about 2 phones I'd consider a strong enough upgrade to even consider jumping ship.
Ice Cream Sandwich isn't far away. Since it's meant to work on all devices (phones, tablets, pc's, etc)... I really hope drivers aren't the reason I can't use this phone for long time to come..
Well, that and AT&T. BOO.
As much as we love this phone it won't live forever. We can't beg for every update
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joshyy_rey said:
As much as we love this phone it won't live forever. We can't beg for every update
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I know we can't ask for the update. Don't really care. But we know they are sitting on the code and if they are not planning on giving us GB at least they could give us the code. Especially the kernel so that CM can get a perfectly working CM7 for the Vibrant.
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I know we can't ask for the update. Don't really care. But we know they are sitting on the code and if they are not planning on giving us GB at least they could give us the code. Especially the kernel so that CM can get a perfectly working CM7 for the Vibrant.
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The problem is that if it's not finished (which is very likely) and we use the code a lot of misinformed people will complain about how we were given buggy code. Then the conspiracy theorists will assume that Samsung sabotaged the code just to get people to hate their phones and want to buy a new one.
All of this will go back to Samsung and they will be labeled as bad for not knowing how to program, or hurting development, or being evil, or ...
Perfect world they could just make all their code transparent for us all to see as soon as it happens, but they would rather be like every other company and hold out on giving out source until they feel it is ready than risk being hurt by trying to help out.
If the code was finished they would be pushing for an update. I doubt they have anything complete for the vibrant.
I just started #lovemesomelesbianasianfootfetish.
LET'S CHANGE THE WORLD!!!!!111!one!!!1!eleventy
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I just started #lovemesomelesbianasianfootfetish.
LET'S CHANGE THE WORLD!!!!!111!one!!!1!eleventy
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Lol, this made me laugh. Thank you. I hit the button but I hit my cap
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Anyone know if Samsung has said anything new or is there any other news to the Exynos sources?
I did follow the thread that got locked down witch was good.
I don't have Facebook and I don't know how to use Twitter so it's not that easy to get news about the Exynos that the other thread provided.
It's going as suspected, right down the crapper, that is. Origenboard is "under construction" according to insignal.
Sh*tty as usual.
If there is a breakthrough you'll see some threads pop up about it.
I think it is time that the FESM | Free Exynos Sources Movement
thread should be unlocked and make use of the fact that Samsung needs good publicity with the release of S4. Now the 4412 is getting way behind the current chipsets including the new ones from the Exynos family, what the hell can still hold Samsung from releasing them>
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I think it is time that the FESM | Free Exynos Sources Movement
thread should be unlocked and make use of the fact that Samsung needs good publicity with the release of S4. Now the 4412 is getting way behind the current chipsets including the new ones from the Exynos family, what the hell can still hold Samsung from releasing them>
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Simple explanation: Money
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Simple explanation: Money
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Yea, but i do see where he's coming from, that same money, or the potential loss it may come from bad publicity by them not releasing said sources may tilt the scales enough for them to find it worth it to release them. They'll be more exposed to bad publicity when they're releasing a new flagship device.
Not sure how farfetched this sounds, but who knows what makes a big corp like samsung tick on their insides... i think it's worth the shot.
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Simple explanation: Money
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To be honest there aren't many financial reasons not to release sources especially for hardware used with an open source system. If any thing it looses them money because people will buy more open devices.
We for example like open source if we wanted a closed source system we would get either an iPhone or windows phone, or at the very least not root.
I really can't see what Samsung would loose from not releasing sources, the people who don't care aren't keeping up with the news so they essentially don't matter, what does matter is the people moving to other devices over the sources.
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I really can't see what Samsung would loose from not releasing sources, the people who don't care aren't keeping up with the news so they essentially don't matter, what does matter is the people moving to other devices over the sources.
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They want make people to continuously buy new devices. Who would upgrade his aftermarket phone if it's able to run new software (and, may be provide better experience than current devices)? And this means loss of potential income for them.
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It is true that (not) releasing the sources would affect just a tiny percent of their sales but it is often the case that those people are asked for advice when someone is buying a new phone. After the worst possible experience with LG I have personally revert 10+ people even considering LG as possibility and recommended sony as alternative.
Also there is a case (as myself) that are not informed about the problems with CM before buying the phone as it never came to my mind that the most developed family of phone will have problems with cyanogen.
It would be great if we can work together with the S2 community because when the phone gets into the third year of existence it is more dependent on CM than official moded roms.
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They want make people to continuously buy new devices. Who would upgrade his aftermarket phone if it's able to run new software (and, may be provide better experience than current devices)? And this means loss of potential income for them.
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Most of the people who want to run CM so they dont buy new device are familiar with this problem are more likely not to update to Samsung anyway.
so what's so hard about using Twitter?
Well at least we should organise not just some useless spam now and then.
You seriously think it would matter if you organize or spam now and then? They couldn't care less either way.
You have more chance to have Lisa Ann and Amy Reid in your bed at the same time than seeing these sources mate forget about them...CM 10.1 runs prtty nicely on our device even if it could be way better
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You have more chance to have Lisa Ann and Amy Reid in your bed at the same time than seeing these sources mate forget about them...CM 10.1 runs prtty nicely on our device even if it could be way better
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I agree.
We would also have a bigger chance of Jessica Alba handing out free blowjobs to everyone on XDA than Samsung giving us those sources.
Theshawty said:
I agree.
We would also have a bigger chance of Jessica Alba handing out free blowjobs to everyone on XDA than Samsung giving us those sources.
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Hahahaha that would be even better than the sources...
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Hahahaha that would be even better than the sources...
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Fair enough. ^^
After all, Jessica Alba is one very fair lady. A mother I would most certainly like to -beep-
Woah! I just saw one of the most fair comparisons.
chances of Samsung releasing sources < Pornstars on our bed + an actress offering blowjobs..
xD
Well, ONE QUESTION. does UBUNTU TOUCH also require these sources??
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Woah! I just saw one of the most fair comparisons.
chances of Samsung releasing sources < Pornstars on our bed + an actress offering blowjobs..
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Well, ONE QUESTION. does UBUNTU TOUCH also require these sources??
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Yes, because it relies on CM10.1.
And I don't agree with you guys: even if Samsung don't release the sources, it's too easy to leave them alone (they don't comply with their license obligations, plus their promise, and on top of that, nobody bothers them), at least we should let them know we don't like to be f***** and it was the last device we buy from them.
that's cute
you're so naive
Everyone's worst(?) fears have come true:
Cyanogen ends OnePlus partnership, aims to work with bigger Chinese vendors
Do you care? I don't.
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If they continue building open source... I don't care...
Sad. But sounds like nobody knows how to work together. The guys at cyanogen the guy in charge has a hot temper. Does not really care whom he pisses off. I am not shocked at all. Like a little kids he takes his toys and goes plays somewhere else and nobody can play with his toys. Sounds like he does not care to make money, anyone else watching how this has played out should be aware of the type people who run cyanogen. Proof is in the pudding. He told some guy asking cm12s update hold the **** on. Come on, really. Bunch of assholes, but I can say that cause I am the consumer not the owner or programmer. If he feels his product is good enough and he can say what he wants to anyone then I wish them well running there product and company in the ground.
I haven't cared for cm inc. in all of this but I'd like to see which phone CyanogenMod devotes as much attention to as they did with the opo. If there is another actual flagship with cm on it, I'd highly consider it just to get a phone that gets first rate attention from cm. This fall should be interesting.
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Sad. But sounds like nobody knows how to work together. The guys at cyanogen the guy in charge has a hot temper. Does not really care whom he pisses off. I am not shocked at all. Like a little kids he takes his toys and goes plays somewhere else and nobody can play with his toys. Sounds like he does not care to make money, anyone else watching how this has played out should be aware of the type people who run cyanogen. Proof is in the pudding. He told some guy asking cm12s update hold the **** on. Come on, really. Bunch of assholes, but I can say that cause I am the consumer not the owner or programmer. If he feels his product is good enough and he can say what he wants to anyone then I wish them well running there product and company in the ground.
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I agree, if I was the head of an OEM and CM approached me to provide their OS there's no way I'd do it, considering how unprofessionally CM have behaved so far.
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I agree, if I was the head of an OEM and CM approached me to provide their OS there's no way I'd do it, considering how unprofessionally CM have behaved so far.
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This nails it. Anyone they approach from now on will look at their history and stay away.
Their case study is basically: Our first partnership started off, we provided the OS and then backstabbed them and signed an exclusive deal with a competitor banning their phones in India. We then parted ways.
They shot themselves in the head.
I'd say Huawei or Lenovo or possibly ZTE. Can't see it being Xiaomi.
Huawei needs the most help cleaning up their skin!
But yeah F*#$ CM!
They use what Google put out and pretend that they made it better although it's filled with bugs!
I am curious as to what exactly does this mean? Does this mean there will no longer be CM updates for the Oneplus One?
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I am curious as to what exactly does this mean? Does this mean there will no longer be CM updates for the Oneplus One?
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That still isn't entirely clear, apparently they're contractually obligated to support this model for two years but I wouldn't be surprised if they break that contract.
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Kirt McMaster is a douche bag. I just hope Oxygen OS gets up to snuff so I can switch from 11S.
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I agree, if I was the head of an OEM and CM approached me to provide their OS there's no way I'd do it, considering how unprofessionally CM have behaved so far.
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If it wasnt for their good roms, and on past phones earlier then vendots with updates I wouldnt have even considered the oneplus. Actually thought it was their own first phone. lol.
its still a fun phone, but all in all its not what I expected it to be considering how long it took for official lollipop to come out
Isn't this a few months old news and/or expected?
Cyngn, OnePlus, Micromax – The Legal Battle
"Carl. We will be terminating our relationship with one plus. I will get back to you with more details shortly."
Nobody likes Cyanogen anyway. They have quickly become one of the most hated companies in the IT industry.
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Isn't this a few months old news and/or expected?
Cyngn, OnePlus, Micromax – The Legal Battle
"Carl. We will be terminating our relationship with one plus. I will get back to you with more details shortly."
Nobody likes Cyanogen anyway. They have quickly become one of the most hated companies in the IT industry.
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You can't quote one line from a string of many emails and make that the end result of the correspondence. The conversation in those emails went on to resolve those issues. Temporarily maybe, but there was still a resolution. If the relationship had terminated back then we would have never gotten the 05Q update, let alone Lollipop. You're right on one point though, this was expected.
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Well it would surely affect oneplus 2 sales. OxygenOS is not open sourced and they don't even know how to provide proper kernel sources. Main keypoint about opo is open source spirit which oxygenos clearly lacks.
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Well it would surely affect oneplus 2 sales. OxygenOS is not open sourced and they don't even know how to provide proper kernel sources. Main keypoint about opo is open source spirit which oxygenos clearly lacks.
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Even if it doesn't come out of the box with Cyanogenmod, I'm sure nightly builds would be up soon for it anyway.
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Even if it doesn't come out of the box with Cyanogenmod, I'm sure nightly builds would be up soon for it anyway.
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Hope so it'll be as open sourced as OPO is now! I would surely consider upgrading then.
As an affordable phone that is very easy to play around with custom software, announcements such as these carry less drawbacks than may at first seem the case.
As far as I'm concerned, CM and OPO parting ways is of little consequence... Regardless of an official CM partnership, the phone is still in the very capable hands of devs here on xda and at OPO.
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As an affordable phone that is very easy to play around with custom software, announcements such as these carry less drawbacks than may at first seem the case.
As far as I'm concerned, CM and OPO parting ways is of little consequence... Regardless of an official CM partnership, the phone is still in the very capable hands of devs here on xda and at OPO.
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Just realized I sold 4 phones to friends that have no intention of going custom.
I am kinda sad cause I vouched for the oneplus getting more and speedy updates.
Now neither oneplus nor cyanogen will get me or them as customers ever again if they dont continue the 2 years after last oneplus sold support Why after last sold? due to commitment of 2 years support to customer (not oneplus)
Now that the partnership is effectively over, where is the incentive for CM to provide timely and bug-free updates? They're just going to do the minimum required to fulfill their contract until the 2 years are up.
I do want to keep my phone on CM but I'm wondering if there's any point to stay on 12S rather than switching to the 12.1 nightlies
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Now that the partnership is effectively over, where is the incentive for CM to provide timely and bug-free updates? They're just going to do the minimum required to fulfill their contract until the 2 years are up.
I do want to keep my phone on CM but I'm wondering if there's any point to stay on 12S rather than switching to the 12.1 nightlies
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That's the grey area, nobody really knows. I'd just switch to the nightlies.
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LG V20 will come with the final version to Android N in September.
And the Zenfone 2 will still be on 5.0! [emoji87]
You got that right...ASUS is not interested in anything but getting your money!
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Zenfone Max is on Marshmallow.
Well I lost trust in Asus and put my faith in CyanogenMod, I have more trust in them releasing Android N for our devices since a 64 bit build wont have that much of performance difference ???
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Well I lost trust in Asus and put my faith in CyanogenMod, I have more trust in them releasing Android N for our devices since a 64 bit build wont have that much of performance difference ???
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It is just the same for almost all manufacturers, i waited for upgrades from Samsung, htc and some el cheapo's. The waiting took longer than the lifetime of the phones.
In the mean time I rooted all, and where possible installed Cm at least a version higher than the original design.
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So older models stuck at older version, It's how they run their marketing strategy guys!
My prediction, Zenfone 2 will be on M by the end of the month.
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Kenbo you are such a comedian?☺??
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I very rarely use stock ROMs (bad battery and a lot of stuff that I don't need) so I don't care about official releases. The next thing that I want for ZF2 is Vulkan API, 64 bit ROM and later custom ROM with Android N
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Kenbo you are such a comedian?☺??
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Yeah, I was waiting for that! ??
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Remember all the people who used to say not to worry, Q2 wasn't over yet and we had till the end of July and we were just being impatient? LOL Naive fools. Such faith....
Just be happy with such an active developer team, and pray for CM Android N version also comes for our Models.
and we're just sitting here , waiting M offical
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Remember all the people who used to say not to worry, Q2 wasn't over yet and we had till the end of July and we were just being impatient? LOL Naive fools. Such faith....
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Lmao and they called us rude to be angry for buying a 300$ phone and expect fast update, lenovo sells 150$ phones and got OTA for MM lol I find only this statement, long live CyanogenMod
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Lmao and they called us rude to be angry for buying a 300$ phone and expect fast update, lenovo sells 150$ phones and got OTA for MM lol I find only this statement, long live CyanogenMod
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Did you see the new post. The cm13 devs got the new Asus MM blobs. They will be incorporated into the build within a few days!
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I very rarely use stock ROMs (bad battery and a lot of stuff that I don't need) so I don't care about official releases. The next thing that I want for ZF2 is Vulkan API, 64 bit ROM and later custom ROM with Android N
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I was saying the same thing until someone pointed out an obvious oversight on my part - an official Android M stock rom would mean that the much better custom roms based on 6.0.1 could get even better due to the great minds here on XDA getting access to a Marshmallow rom built specifically for the Z00A/Z008. I'd be fine running DU as is but any additional stability would be a welcome bonus for anyone still hanging on to this particular device. It's more of a respect issue imo that I have a problem with on the OEM end and I gave up my hopeful optimism that Asus would follow through at the end of Q2 which was a ridiculously overdue deadline that they then blew off without a second thought. It's not so much about Marshmallow, which is cool, but already available via many custom roms if you're willing to risk it (not something I see as risky assuming one can read and follow instructions but there's always a - 1% chance you do it all flawlessly and the gremlins give you a brick back anyways. Thems the breaks) and clearly many people do. It's more annoying to be lied to, patronized, ignored, kicked to the side and treated like our dollars didn't matter because the zf3 was on the horizon and Asus made a bad call with x86/Intel and sold a tedious little bastard as their second generation flagship then couldn't deliver the basic quality they promised again and again. Not a prudent move for a company seeking to break in on the smartphone market imo. Samsung can afford to occasionally alienate a large chunk of their customer base because they have enough to spare a few million and bounce back with something good enough to regain any lost sales and then some. Asus overestimated their allure and I wouldn't buy a router, tablet, laptop, desktop or stick of gum with their logo on it at this point. I love my ZF2 for all we've gone through and learned in a short 6 months together :highfive: but there's a good 30+ smaller, newer mid-range device manufacturers pushing out cheaper, faster, cooler and feature filled phones I can definitely find a comparable phone at less than what I paid for my z00a without the poor customer satisfaction that will always tarnish this little beast and I think as customers we have a right, even a responsibility to speak up and let Asus know they made a serious error in judgement with the ZF2 crowd and it will cost them big time. I've moved on to something more reliable, already on 6.0.1, a deal to good to pass up just because I'm not the biggest Samsung fanboy ever - the S7 Edge. Seriously though, that T-Mobile BOGO was too good to let pass me by, plus they're tossing in a year of Netflix, Fitbit2 or a 256GB microSDXC card (which I couldn't say no to as I'm lazy and don't watch Netflix because Kodi) - let's see Asus throw in a free accessory of actual use to their customer that retails for over $100 They won't even honor their warranty repair commitments half the time. SORRY FOR THE RANT, FEEL FREE TO SKIP IT IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE A LITTLE MORE THAN ONE OR TWO POORLY CONSTRUCTED SENTENCES BEFORE YOUR BRAIN BLEEDS. Sometimes someone's gotta say a little something more than "Asus sucks", "when we get Android M" and "Asus sucks" :angel: I still see the ZF2 owners as a sort of family who all got shafted by deadbeat dads and moms but came here to make the most of an undervalued (by Asus) device. You people rock. Don't let Asus think this is a sound business strategy. You paid for a promise and have a right to be pissed at this point. Take it easy y'all
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It's more of a respect issue imo that I have a problem with on the OEM end and I gave up my hopeful optimism that Asus would follow through at the end of Q2 which was a ridiculously overdue deadline that they then blew off without a second thought.
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It's more annoying to be lied to, patronized, ignored, kicked to the side and treated like our dollars didn't matter because the zf3 was on the horizon and Asus made a bad call with x86/Intel and sold a tedious little bastard as their second generation flagship then couldn't deliver the basic quality they promised again and again.
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I still see the ZF2 owners as a sort of family who all got shafted by deadbeat dads and moms but came here to make the most of an undervalued (by Asus) device. You people rock. Don't let Asus think this is a sound business strategy. You paid for a promise and have a right to be pissed at this point. Take it easy y'all
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I'm not sure I agree with all your points (for example, how was Asus supposed to know that Intel will abandon the mobile SoC scene?), but I agree that at this point the issue isn't "Marshmallow will make everything better", but more "you (Asus) promised something, and you need to keep that promise".
I'll admit that I was one of those who said (before the end of Q2) that we shouldn't say "Asus sucks, they haven't updated the ZF2 yet" until the end of June, and it turns out that I was wrong. I still think that the device as-is is very good, especially for the price we paid. I had a Galaxy S4 before, and after the first few months, using it was bordering on the impossible. I had to restart the device at least once a week, or it would be very sluggish, not to mention the general poor performance caused by Samsung's TouchWiz. I also had the Exynos variant, so there weren't any stable CM (or other AOSP) based ROMs, so I had no alternative to it.
With the ZF2 although the battery life can be better, I still can get through a full work day without charging unless I use my phone non-stop to make phone calls (who even does that anymore? ), and I'm not sorry that I bought it, although I do wish that it was updated already .
kenbo111 said:
Did you see the new post. The cm13 devs got the new Asus MM blobs. They will be incorporated into the build within a few days!
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Great news i didn`t see the post but back on CM just now due this news and ready for it, i noticed the new gapps installation screen just before start up with latest files , something i hadn`t seen before:good:
jimchee said:
You got that right...ASUS is not interested in anything but getting your money!
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U r such a genious!!
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GOOGLE1993 said:
Lmao and they called us rude to be angry for buying a 300$ phone and expect fast update, lenovo sells 150$ phones and got OTA for MM lol I find only this statement, long live CyanogenMod
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Are this Lenovo phones any good?
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timbernot said:
Great news i didn`t see the post but back on CM just now due this news and ready for it, i noticed the new gapps installation screen just before start up with latest files , something i hadn`t seen before:good:
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Wow, its been a while since June 6th last time I used CM 13.
Installed yesterdays then ota np ,I must say I'm amazed ...
I always reverted back to stock because of issues with reception , wifi signal etc and battery was always slightly better with stock too.
Not the case anymore, battery is better in CM , CM has now surpassed anything stock stripped and rooted.
Bravo !
Roll on ...this device is now there where it should be , can only mean better things for zen2
Anyone , says they have worse battery with CM than stock , should try a new clean install ...
Amazing !
Although a great phone there are other flagship phones like the Pixel, V20 that are taking priority. I'm sure the Devs are jumping onto the pixel and the 6p is still going. Will this phone ever see any customized ROM? Thoughts....
I dont think so.. maybe far away in future xD
Never. It's impossible.
Yeah, that's the feeling I'm getting too. The adoption rate is way too low. It's sad really; it's such a great phone.
Zte seems to have screwed the pooch, we're at almost 6 months of marketing jargon claiming that unlocked bootloader, hardway overlays, and stock images are coming but the phones relevancy is steadily diminishing Still, it's cheap.
Zte have terribly failed and honestly not getting a zte again
Unjustified Dev said:
It's nothing like that at all. They are applying their changes to cm source and sending it back. This way we ensure everything is the same as stock. This is probably the first time an OEM has ever done something like this.
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He's been putting in major work and is in contact with ZTE, the initial port of CM always takes time, there's a reason you don't ask for ETAs.
Now that we have the B20 factory image it will be much easier to move forward on stock ROM tweaks (Debloat, Deodex) as we now have an official fail-safe / rollback.
Patience is the key on XDA
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Yeah, that's the feeling I'm getting too. The adoption rate is way too low. It's sad really; it's such a great phone.
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Hey I'm in the market, I got Verizon's v20 and I don't like it so I'm taking it back probably Monday. I'm looking around at different options because I want outstanding audio does the axon A7 have incredible sound? anything you can tell me about to be great.
What carrier are you using it on?
Is there a way to root it and tot back to original "out of box" state?
Thanks for taking the time.
Sincerely,
DjRobBlaze
Honestly, if ZTE themselves are having trouble getting the audio working, then it's probably not happening. Might have to sell soon, and hop on the OnePlus 3(T?). Sucks, because the hardware on this phone blows the OP3 out of the water on many fronts.
Funny reading. Yes there will be support. Guess it's the waiting game from now on.
more people should learn to code instead of wasting their time *****ing about development.
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He's been putting in major work and is in contact with ZTE, the initial port of CM always takes time, there's a reason you don't ask for ETAs.
Now that we have the B20 factory image it will be much easier to move forward on stock ROM tweaks (Debloat, Deodex) as we now have an official fail-safe / rollback.
Patience is the key on XDA
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That was a week ago
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choadtron11 said:
more people should learn to code instead of wasting their time *****ing about development.
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More people should become a doctor instead of going to the hospital and *****ing about their problems
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More people should become a doctor instead of going to the hospital and *****ing about their problems
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That analogy would work if doctors were working for free and hospitals didn't require any money to operate.
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That analogy would work if doctors were working for free and hospitals didn't require any money to operate.
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Read it again
In principle, we should see customised ROMs. Bootloader is unlocked and we have full images.
Regrettably, there are very few developers working on this device.
There is only one dev working on CM.
To my knowledge, no developers are working on "customising" stock ROMs: Deodex, debloat, tweak k
I really like the hardware on this phone. Screen, DAC, battery life and front speakers are great. Camera is not elite but more than adequate.
I will wait a while longer. If ROM development stays dead, I will have to move on. One thing is certain, I am never again buying a phone without an established development community. My decision to rely on ZTE promises was not prudent.
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He's been putting in major work and is in contact with ZTE, the initial port of CM always takes time, there's a reason you don't ask for ETAs.
Now that we have the B20 factory image it will be much easier to move forward on stock ROM tweaks (Debloat, Deodex) as we now have an official fail-safe / rollback.
Patience is the key on XDA
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I really hope so, but as a company Cyanogen are in a terrible mess, and ZTE have shown themselves incapable of organising a piss-up in a brewery...
nsane said:
In principle, we should see customised ROMs. Bootloader is unlocked and we have full images.
Regrettably, there are very few developers working on this device.
There is only one dev working on CM.
To my knowledge, no developers are working on "customising" stock ROMs: Deodex, debloat, tweak k
I really like the hardware on this phone. Screen, DAC, battery life and front speakers are great. Camera is not elite but more than adequate.
I will wait a while longer. If ROM development stays dead, I will have to move on. One thing is certain, I am never again buying a phone without an established development community. My decision to rely on ZTE promises was not prudent.
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i think excactly the same
I don't mind not having a Custom ROM if the stock one is decent. Unfortunately MiFavor is not 100% to my liking + they (almost) ignore the EU community (except for ZTE Germany).
In the case of CM I think they are handling it okay. Official BL unlock is definitely coming for the US model and they are currently implementing their audio solution to CM, after that there should be a couple of Roms that can cherry pick CM stuff and build their own features on it.
It's not ZTE's fault for having no Custom Rom programmers among their customers
*hoping there will be a vast Rom landscape in 2017*!
Just bought an Anox 7 a few days ago with a new contract since my Xiaomi (and I'll never recommend a xiaomi device to anyone anymore) is f*cked.
As soon as the phone has arrived, I'll start to brew a resurrection remix.
See you guys soon
DonPanda said:
Just bought an Anox 7 a few days ago with a new contract since my Xiaomi (and I'll never recommend a xiaomi device to anyone anymore) is f*cked.
As soon as the phone has arrived, I'll start to brew a resurrection remix.
See you guys soon
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Fantastic news! Welcome aboard!