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General irritation on Samsung/ICS/Android

Today is pretty much a sad day for Samsung, ICS and Android in general, in my opinion.
Androids latest version, ICS, has been released about 5 months ago. Today, the most important Android device available on the planet, has not yet seen an update to this latest version yet, and I think that is something to be ashamed of. As a pretty normal user, I don't know and don't really care how much development goes on before releasing a new version, but a company that sells 300 million handsets in a year (of which at least 20 million of this type of handset that have cost the user somewhere between 400 and 550 euro's) I expect some more dedication to deliver a finished product worthy of it's name, fame and money. Google should be very upset that their latest product stays more or less hidden from public for about 6 months in this high paced market because multi-billion multinationals choose to dedicate too few people to get the software side of things sorted out.
All the false rumours don't really add to the experience of having a top-end device. Countless piles of crap have been pushed out by various dubious sources simply because Samsung does not wish to pin itself to a date. They knew, that people would have been outraged if they had stated in october that ICS would be released on the Android phone as much as half a year later. Instead, they let the irritation smolder and only give some vague hints once or twice during the whole period.
In my opinion, smartphone use is not as much about hardware as many of the Android manufacturers and users would like to see. The race for top specs will probably look quite ridiculous a few years from now. The secret to having an amazing device has it's foundation in good hardware (not neccesarily top notch hardware though) and esthetics/design, but without proper software this foundation will still be only a foundation. Nobody likes to own the best foundation in the world when there are no walls, windows, furniture, household appliances and great looks and functionality to make the living pleasureable. Off course, Samsung does provide us with all that in some way or another, but it is lagging behind seriously, especially compared to the competing major OS'es.
Naturally, every Android user has the possibility to blast everything off the foundation and build something custom on it, being either Samsung stuff with some extra things and paint added or removed, or being prefab Cyanogenmod or MIUI or whatever, but unfortunately this argument is worth almost nothing since it is again Samsung who decides when the bits and pieces become available for custom building, and this is lagging even further behind than their own software building, much to the irritation of the developers of custom firmware.
So, to sum it up, I think this has been a praticularly bad day for all SGS2 Android smartphone lovers. And being beaten to it by some other competing manufacturer does not help!
Thanks for listening

Dude, relax. It is just a phone. An nice one, but still a phone.

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You do know Samsung don't have to release an update right?

Next time get a Nexus device, any other flavoured Android build takes time for adaptation and I'll rather they did a good job than rush a half baked build.
Your rant suggests you lack a fundamental understanding of the process.

Huge post lol
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i would rather have a stable rom with a bit of delay than a buggy one (doesnt apply to cyanogen mod )
and what are you on about its been about 3 months from the release of galaxy nexus
and anyways ics is coming tomorrow
we did have beta roms from december and we could see samsung patching bugs in each successive build this is what xda is we all work together to make our devices better and better

Stop moaning, HTC have just started rolling out ICS in certain regions, what about other Android manufacturers? Where's LG, where's Motorola? Where are their ICS leaks etc etc applies to all.
Each manufacturer has their own overlay on top of ICS this takes time and testing to get it right, it's a few months late oh well at least 2.3.6 is running fine though, there's no need for Samsung to update our phones to ICS they're a business do you think they care how long we have to wait no, they'd rather make money and focus on getting ICS running on their next flagship model then current flagship.
We will get it just a matter of when, if you don't like it get a Nexus, also made by Samsung.
All these posts bashing Samsung its just all the tech blogs making things worse!
If you dont like it get an iPhone or better yet a symbian device!
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lol, u mad

I would like the OP to tell me one thing that he/she can do on ICS that they can't do on gingerbread. And make it a decent example and not something like "monitor data usage" which I agree is nice to be built in but nothing that can't be done already with an app.
The way this post has been worded with all the "house/foundation" metaphor you would think that the SGS2 doesn't work at all atm and needs ICS to make it functional, which we all know is rubbish.
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@bluefa1con ICS is not coming tomorrow, they went back on their word this morning.
anyway, you're right, and i'm a bit disappointed because Samsung have been best buddy with Google since Google Dev Day 2011, they have access to early build of their OS, they even produced 2 Nexus phones for them, there's a huge meaning behind this, but still, Samsung waited till the last moment to start working on their flagship device, first leaked build started coming out after official ics aosp release, and their work is progressing very slowly, but, like someone before me said, it's just a phone, i just love playing around with it, and i don't mind waiting till april/may for a stable rom, all i want from them are kernel sources.

I completly agree with OP-post.
My rage is simple, I mean, We're the owners of the fastest and best device in 2011 and we still didnt even had a actual DATE. The only thing, that was said: "Q1 2012". If I remember correctly, they said that Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note will have the update at Q1.
But let me tell you this, if they're still delaying date, and giving wrong info at their official(!) website, it seems that SGS2 ICS is not ready or something, that means that Galaxy Note is even out of place, probably, it will have the update somewhere at Q2 of 2012. It's totally unacceptable from such big and sucessful company as Samsung. We can't trust them, simply, they say one thing, tomorrow it will be "wrong" or something.
Samsung making great devices, and I love them, but the thing as they communicate with their customers, with their community - is just unacceptable. They won so much awards for their phone, and they, still, can't release their update to us.
Next time, i'll go to pure Google Phone.
Sorry for my poor English.

It is simple..they just dont respect us..hope there will be day they pay for this..
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dorian95 said:
I completly agree with OP-post.
My rage is simple, I mean, We're the owners of the fastest and best device in 2011 and we still didnt even had a actual DATE. The only thing, that was said: "Q1 2012". If I remember correctly, they said that Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note will have the update at Q1.
But let me tell you this, if they're still delaying date, and giving wrong info at their official(!) website, it seems that SGS2 ICS is not ready or something, that means that Galaxy Note is even out of place, probably, it will have the update somewhere at Q2 of 2012. It's totally unacceptable from such big and sucessful company as Samsung. We can't trust them, simply, they say one thing, tomorrow it will be "wrong" or something.
Samsung making great devices, and I love them, but the thing as they communicate with their customers, with their community - is just unacceptable. They won so much awards for their phone, and they, still, can't release their update to us.
Next time, i'll go to pure Google Phone.
Sorry for my poor English.
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Same here mate..Those guys who have the GNEX are having the last laugh now. They even got a HTC sense 4.0 port as well those lucky bastards....I am gonna hold off till that release instead of going for the s3

About a year ago HTC decide to close their phones. That's why i decide to change to Samsung. And with me a lot of other HTC users. You are wright. This is not the way to communicate with your customers. This Samsung phone is my first and last one.
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Think about it this way a large proportion of users don't give a crap about what firmware is running on their phone as long as it works, us geeks or enthusiasts may give a crap, but my sister has got an S2, several other work colleagues have them to and none of them even know about custom roms and such let alone an update to ICS so to the mass it's not a major priority in having the latest or greatest firmware as long as they can use their phones that's what they care about.
Several work colleagues are still on the original firmware and I've told them to update but they don't care or don't have the technological ability to do so.
There is a higher percentage of normal users compared to us at XDA who make a minority.
And for those who say this will be their last Samsung device good for you, go buy a Nexus oh wait that's made by Samsung as well! I'll continue to enjoy my device running on gingerbread which works beautifully also knowing the fact it's still the best phone available currently apart from the Note which I consider a niche and better than the s2.
If you want aosp buy a Nexus otherwise deal with the fact that it takes longer to get an update. It's the way it is on Android, look at the other manufacturers as well its common. That's the problem with an open source system compared to iOS where there are a selected few devices so updates are quicker to roll out on the product lines.
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So what is next after ics update? There are going to be complaints that ics is bad, its touch wiz bla bla bla.
Ics is not going to turn your phone into super powered alien or going to give you 10 days backup. Why can't you people just wait.
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bala_gamer said:
So what is next after ics update? There are going to be complaints that ics is bad, its touch wiz bla bla bla.
Ics is not going to turn your phone into super powered alien or going to give you 10 days backup. Why can't you people just wait.
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Why does Touchwiz still look the same, along those lines.... Why is it still green, etc etc.
TouchWiz 5 will be for the next flagship.
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I like GB.

Powereh said:
waaaaaaa
You do know Samsung don't have to release an update right?
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As in a contractual obligation? No indeed, I know that. But aparently (look around here on XDA) it is expected. Dissapoint customers too long, and you will be ditched for the one who doesn't.
Frostfree said:
Next time get a Nexus device, any other flavoured Android build takes time for adaptation and I'll rather they did a good job than rush a half baked build.
Your rant suggests you lack a fundamental understanding of the process.
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Yeah, because getting a Nexus device will get you there quicker Most Nexus S users are still waiting on their update to ICS since updating was stopped at dec 20th.
And somewhere in my post I did mention myself that I lack fundamental understanding of the process of building firmware for handsets, thanks for repeating that to me. That doesn't mean I'm unable to compare this process to other processes and draw conclusions as a customer.
Updating on Android is slow and ceases quickly (this will probably be the last major update for the SGS2 already), so when developing stuff for Android you need to take at least 5 different versions of the OS into concideration because the market shares of the versions are very fragmented. A nuisance for developers, and also for users stuck on Froyo for example who cannot install some app because the developer chose to only build it for 2.3+ to save some time and money.

If you guys dont care that much, why you're replaying to this kind of threads?
The only thing I am talking about, is lack of communication between customer and Samsung. How the hell they can give fresh news about ICS update on their official website, and then, immidiatly, deleting it, and telling in twitter something about "wrong date". How cool is that?
They can at least say one time 100% date, but they're just keep all in secret, that's not the good way how they should treat to custumers of best device in 2011.
I'm still shocked how Galaxy Note users keep waiting for it, one leak, no news, no everything. Obviously, Sammy didnt release ICS for them in March, then, their saying about "Galaxy Note & Galaxy S2 ICS in Q1 2012" is wrong.

Android 4.4.2 KitKat to roll in mid-Q2 for Xperia Tablet Z

Just seen the news on Xperia Blog.
The Xperia Tablet Z could see KitKat in May 2014!

Yeah, right after the Tablet Z2 hits the shelves, so those who can't wait will buy the new one

If i have the money I'll buy the new one
Otherwise I'm happy that the Tablet Z is getting Kit Kat
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Just bought a Z
Pretty happy with it at the moment but I can't believe there is no APP2SD support in stock ROM, hoping we get it in 4.4

jokerni said:
Just bought a Z
Pretty happy with it at the moment but I can't believe there is no APP2SD support in stock ROM, hoping we get it in 4.4
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We won't, google has placed some heavy Sd card restrictions on kit kat
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We won't, google has placed some heavy Sd card restrictions on kit kat
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:/ OK I won't go to official 4.4 then.. Can anyone recommend a stable ROM with APP2SD support?

Xperia Tablet Z 2... screw that... I'm never buying nothing from Sony again. There's no excuse for updates taking this long. As much as I love and baby my tab Z like another child... being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... I know its not just Sony's fault, Google is to blame as well. OS FRAGMENTATION issues... thats a laugh... once an update is out these manufacturers should be getting the ball rolling, but they are not. They wait until a new product is in the makes and then they finally do something with the update. Its just not right.
I just don't have enough middle fingers to hold up to those guys. I pay top dollar for a premium product, I expect premium support for that product as well. Otherwise I might as well buy the discount low price no-name piece of hardware that has all the latest technology and latest O/S cause then I can afford to replace it every 6 months to a year instead of expecting support for cutting edge in technology I think will last a few years.

I agree that updates take too damn long but its not only Sony, all manufacturers take ages to roll new updates
Sadly only nexus devices have the privilege of fast updates
But its better to get an update even if late than to get nothing at all, some manufacturers like lg or samsung don't even bother
You might say samsung does update thier devices but the only devices they care to update are the Note and The Galaxy S line, the rest? Stuck in the mud
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KanjiMan1977 said:
Xperia Tablet Z 2... screw that... I'm never buying nothing from Sony again. There's no excuse for updates taking this long. As much as I love and baby my tab Z like another child... being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... I know its not just Sony's fault, Google is to blame as well. OS FRAGMENTATION issues... thats a laugh... once an update is out these manufacturers should be getting the ball rolling, but they are not. They wait until a new product is in the makes and then they finally do something with the update. Its just not right.
I just don't have enough middle fingers to hold up to those guys. I pay top dollar for a premium product, I expect premium support for that product as well. Otherwise I might as well buy the discount low price no-name piece of hardware that has all the latest technology and latest O/S cause then I can afford to replace it every 6 months to a year instead of expecting support for cutting edge in technology I think will last a few years.
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I'm curious, other than the Nexus lineup, who would you say offers faster upgrades? Nexus has the benefit of internal Google development being applied when creating the update. Additionally....it also has NO OS MODIFICATIONS. That's one of the biggest hurdles. All the changes to the OS that companies do, require additional development time. That's in addition to any new drivers that have to be created and tested for components that exist in this particular device, that weren't in the Nexus devices.
So what manufacturer besides Sony would you purchase from who does not have that same issue? I ask because you indicate you'd just continually buy new cheaper devices. Even many new launch devices currently do not come with 4.4.2 loaded on them. Those that do, only have been showing up in the last month or so at best, and normally are NOT the cheap models.
We have already received one major update on the Tablet Z. We just received a minor update the other month and are due for another major update within 2 months. Seems relatively quick to me.
4.4.2 launched in December for Nexus devices. Most manufacturers would not want to jump on 4.4 cause they know there'll be quick follow up updates. And 4.4.1 was only a few weeks before that. Most nexus devices didn't have 4.4.2 until late December or early January. It's the end of March now, and we're already targeted to receive the update in May. Granted it could be late May or even June for certain models, but they just recently got 4.3 out there, so they jumped onto 4.4 pretty quickly.
Also, this sentence: " being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... " Can you clarify to me what special treatment you are supposed to get since you are in Canada? Are they some type of "mobile OS priority" country?

It's better late than never... I think the update timeline of Sony is fair enough.. 4.1.2, 4.2.2, 4.3 and soon 4.4.2. we have many options for our tatse.. in my part, my concern is how good would be the next update..i hoping for a lesser bugs(bug free would be better) in 4.4.2..that's all..
IOS by the way has an update twice a week. so if anybody here wants a quick/frequent update..IOS is an option..hehehe

It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs... apps that should work proper doesnt (ex: Mx player audio bug; WIFI problems disconnecting every 15-20 minutes when connecting to networks with other streaming apps) New version = fixed problems... but that is not the case. And to the fellow that commenting about me being from canada... well I noticed there are different versions of firmware all over the world... and it seems over here we get the updates last... thats what I was refering to. (311, 312 wifi) Sure they can release updates untill the cows come home... but if they are not fixing the problems that are currently on the device.. it dont mean crap.

KanjiMan1977 said:
It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs... apps that should work proper doesnt (ex: Mx player audio bug; WIFI problems disconnecting every 15-20 minutes when connecting to networks with other streaming apps) New version = fixed problems... but that is not the case. And to the fellow that commenting about me being from canada... well I noticed there are different versions of firmware all over the world... and it seems over here we get the updates last... thats what I was refering to. (311, 312 wifi) Sure they can release updates untill the cows come home... but if they are not fixing the problems that are currently on the device.. it dont mean crap.
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First thing first: I use MX Player I don't have any audio problems. No WiFi problems also.
About the Canada thing, believe me, Brazil takes even more time. But, that's isn't Sony fault. I mean, they don't put a World Map, play Darts with it, and the updates rolls out in order that the countries are hit. I don't know exactly the reason, but there is one. It is normally staged rollout. If there are problems, they can know already about it and start working. At least the number of people with the problem will be lower.
There are no different fw versions all over the world. There is .101 for LTE models, and .109 for WiFi models. The difference relies on country related crap built in. Last but not least, you can always grab a ftf and flash the fw yourself if you want.
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KanjiMan1977 said:
It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs... apps that should work proper doesnt (ex: Mx player audio bug; WIFI problems disconnecting every 15-20 minutes when connecting to networks with other streaming apps) New version = fixed problems... but that is not the case. And to the fellow that commenting about me being from canada... well I noticed there are different versions of firmware all over the world... and it seems over here we get the updates last... thats what I was refering to. (311, 312 wifi) Sure they can release updates untill the cows come home... but if they are not fixing the problems that are currently on the device.. it dont mean crap.
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As previously stated, while the two issues you mention are something others experience, "most" owners are not having those issues. Yes, MOST people do not have those issues. Only the small percentage that are vocal on the boards and a few others. I'm not trying to diminish your experience, but while I'm sure it's frustrating, I don't think it's probably Sony's top priority with only a minority having these issues.
That said, I just wouldn't slam Sony overall for it, but if it leaves a bad taste in your mouth that's fine. Honestly, with how new this technology still is, to thing that the devices being produced are already at this quality level, with less than 5-6 years of legacy production on most of them, is pretty impressive.

Ever heard of AOSP?
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KanjiMan1977 said:
It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs...
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THIS Quote right here sums it up...
You want a better OS? Either have patience, or go unlock bootloaders and load AOSP Google Nexus OS. Better "functionality"? Well WAIT for Sony developers instead of "RUSHING" them, then you wont find "full of bugs..."
See, we are so spoiled, we all want, NOW NOW NOW NOW NAAAAOOOO.
How about changing pace? Be patient. Seriously, i mean other than companies like SONY (Who actually LOVE AND ENCOURAGE THE DEV WORLD) actually puts out great product. I'm not trying to bash on Samsung and all, but I would rather be with Sony Products than Samsung or HTC that likes to "scrimp" on hardwares and "overcharge" the masses.
Here's the kicker.... THEY DON'T "LOVE" or "ENCOURAGE" DEVELOPERS WORLD. Example, Samsung started to lock down their stuff with SELinux and Knox, even circuit electric locking your phone. (Means that it locks you out permanently and will brick you phone if you try to downgrade, or such. I forgot the actual wording.)
So, really, have more patience in this world.
I know I do. I haven't upgraded, just because mine is PERFECTLY working the way I want it. WiFi works, it's not botchy like some, still on 4.1.2, loaded XMB, casting great on my tv, and rooted. Plus even loaded the dual recovery. Not bootloader unlocked. And I even did that patch to make the rebooting stop while i take out the bloat, WHICH amazingly enough, the bloat was LESS THAN WHAT I HAD IN MY SAMSUNG S3 PHONE. I mean, WAY LESS.
Oh, I have both N7 and N10, (Yes, i'm spoiled), and both stock, ran against my Z Tab, and Antutu scored way higher than both Nexus 7 or the 10. I made both Nexuses barebones, no google, and ran Antu, and still my Sony topped them.
BE GREAT FULL THAT YOU HAVE A FUNCTIONING DEVICE
/my2cents

KanjiMan1977 said:
Xperia Tablet Z 2... screw that... I'm never buying nothing from Sony again. There's no excuse for updates taking this long. As much as I love and baby my tab Z like another child... being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... I know its not just Sony's fault, Google is to blame as well. OS FRAGMENTATION issues... thats a laugh... once an update is out these manufacturers should be getting the ball rolling, but they are not. They wait until a new product is in the makes and then they finally do something with the update. Its just not right.
I just don't have enough middle fingers to hold up to those guys. I pay top dollar for a premium product, I expect premium support for that product as well. Otherwise I might as well buy the discount low price no-name piece of hardware that has all the latest technology and latest O/S cause then I can afford to replace it every 6 months to a year instead of expecting support for cutting edge in technology I think will last a few years.
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Even if you where correct about Sony taking long to come with updates which I don't think they are compared to others. We get the update and is it not better to get a stable update with apps updated aswell rather than a rushed update. Yes I can't wait for the update as well but after all will it really make that big of a difference that having to wait a bit longer is a huge problem?

RochiWizz said:
Even if you where correct about Sony taking long to come with updates which I don't think they are compared to others. We get the update and is it not better to get a stable update with apps updated aswell rather than a rushed update. Yes I can't wait for the update as well but after all will it really make that big of a difference that having to wait a bit longer is a huge problem?
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A huge international company like Sony, you would think they would have a huge development team for android devices since they have made quite a few already, should be able to keep up with the new versions of android as they come out (meaning a month or two after its release). Not just Sony but all the major brands. They are practically given the complete code to begin with, so pretty much just have to update all their bloat.
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As previously stated, while the two issues you mention are something others experience, "most" owners are not having those issues. Yes, MOST people do not have those issues. Only the small percentage that are vocal on the boards and a few others. I'm not trying to diminish your experience, but while I'm sure it's frustrating, I don't think it's probably Sony's top priority with only a minority having these issues.
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Actually yes I have these issues that is another reason why it is fustrating. Update after update that doesn't fix the same problems.
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4.4.2 launched in December for Nexus devices. Most manufacturers would not want to jump on 4.4 cause they know there'll be quick follow up updates. And 4.4.1 was only a few weeks before that. Most nexus devices didn't have 4.4.2 until late December or early January. It's the end of March now, and we're already targeted to receive the update in May. Granted it could be late May or even June for certain models, but they just recently got 4.3 out there, so they jumped onto 4.4 pretty quickly.
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So since you know when all the other versions came out... why didn't you mention that 4.3 version we JUST got, was out since mid-late October? (for Nexus)... that would be... what 5 months... a month short of half a year.
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Also, this sentence: " being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... " Can you clarify to me what special treatment you are supposed to get since you are in Canada? Are they some type of "mobile OS priority" country?
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Dude I never asked for special treatment... when an update comes out it seems like we are near the end of the lineup a month or two after everyone else. I guess the Brazilian guy understands my greif... cause it does seem like they throw darts at a map sometimes.
ndwgs said:
Here's the kicker.... THEY DON'T "LOVE" or "ENCOURAGE" DEVELOPERS WORLD. Example, Samsung started to lock down their stuff with SELinux and Knox, even circuit electric locking your phone. (Means that it locks you out permanently and will brick you phone if you try to downgrade, or such. I forgot the actual wording.)
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Actually you have no clue what you are talking about. I own a Note 3 and it doesn't do any of that... do you even know what KNOX is for? Its for buisness apps that access your companys secure network. (It was a toss up between Note 3 and the z2... and I just didnt like the z2 bezzel it seemed oversized on the top and bottom) And actually they really are not that friendly to the developer world... they just dont want to spend the money to fix every little exploit cause people are going to flash roms and unlock bootloaders, and brick their devices and send them back no matter what they do so they might as well quit an sit back and wait for others to do the work for them. Anyone who has a ps3 or similar products would know what Im talking about.
RochiWizz said:
Yes I can't wait for the update as well but after all will it really make that big of a difference that having to wait a bit longer is a huge problem?
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Sure... I CAN wait for an update as long as all the previous issues have been addressed and not causing new issues (re: 5 minute shut down, and high battery drain)
But the point I'm actually trying to make is 6 months is too long for an update but no one else here seems notice. All the internet talk about fragmentation issues with all these devices with different android versions. An android version comes out... it shouldnt take more than two months to develop and distribute an update its not like Sony employs one or two people to do this task ( Or HTC or Samsung etc...) The average life span of an android device is a year to two years. (and yes I usually get a new phone pretty close to every year i always try to get the latest and greatest NON APPLE products) But whatever I dont even know if I want Kit Kat after all I have heard, thats the main reason why I havent flashed AOSp or some other rom cause they dont completely work, theres always something that remains broken. When official kit Kat comes out... if it fixes the current issues sure why not.

I will not quote the whole post because it is too long, but... Sony has Ben loosing a lot of money lately, as a whole. Even though Sony Mobile is winning more than losing, the whole company is losing. And, no, they don't have a huge team of developers to take care of that.
Until Sony bought the Sony Ericsson joint venture, all of Sony smartphone development (both hardware and software) was done in Sony Ericsson hoke country. After Sony bought it, they decided to slowly shift both software and hardware development to Sony Japan. That caused a whole huge mess...
Even though Sony Japan had enough manwork, they weren't talented as the software developers from the old SE. They had transfered the 4.1.2 update for S from SE to Japan. Japan messed up the update pretty bad, and SE team (I just can't remember the country name lol) had to work to fix it, while working on the 4.2.2 for newer devices...
So now they have a relatively small dev team, but a very talented one
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KanjiMan1977 said:
Actually you have no clue what you are talking about. I own a Note 3 and it doesn't do any of that... do you even know what KNOX is for? Its for buisness apps that access your companys secure network. (It was a toss up between Note 3 and the z2... and I just didnt like the z2 bezzel it seemed oversized on the top and bottom) And actually they really are not that friendly to the developer world... they just dont want to spend the money to fix every little exploit cause people are going to flash roms and unlock bootloaders, and brick their devices and send them back no matter what they do so they might as well quit an sit back and wait for others to do the work for them. Anyone who has a ps3 or similar products would know what Im talking about.
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I actually do know what KNOX is. I also do know what i'm talking about. I have Knox on my government phone. And I wasn't talking about having a Z2 or it's damn oversized bezzel, I was just simply stating that Sony has a better handle on the developer world, compared to other companies such as HTC or Samsung. Seriously, do you think they like the idea that you are putting a custom ROM on your Note 3? SELinux = On Note 3 = Enforcing. Knox will monitor if you "tamper" with the Note 3. You change those values, you think they'll HONOR your "bricked" device because you "Unlocked the Bootloaders" and "Customized the ROM"? Try it...
And so, "they are really not that friendly to the developer world".... and Samsung is? Ha. Thanks for giving me the laughs.
I do own a PS3, but i never had to send them back. I'm not sure how "PS3" is actually added in this conversation.

KanjiMan1977 said:
So since you know when all the other versions came out... why didn't you mention that 4.3 version we JUST got, was out since mid-late October? (for Nexus)... that would be... what 5 months... a month short of half a year.
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Strange, I updated my SGP312 to official 4.3 through PC companion app more then 3 months ago...

Anyone else had enough of Samsung

Ive been with aamsung since the s3 days. Before i was a sense guy for the longest. Now with samsung waiting ages to release lollipop for a phone that cost me almost 900$ im almost fed up and really want to go another route next time i buy a phone..

Buy a Nexus then and enjoy beta testing? Getting any update is a crapshoot for pretty much any other OEM and varies from phone to phone...

$900. You got ripped off. LoL

Sorry man, just because they don't give your phone an update is not justice to say off with your head. They did not leave you with a broken non functioning phone. Whats next are we gonna put together a class action lawsuit. I still say samsung always has had the best hardware when it comes to phones. That's what intrigued me was the hardware not android. I used to be an HTC guy too back in the day. I switched because samsung phones always outperformed the HTC. This is still true to this date. If you mad cuz they haven't updated to lollipop, well that is just crazy.

I love Samsung, in fact most of my electronics are Samsung....no issues what so ever. FYI....I would've paid $900 with no problem, but it didn't cost no where near that.

Why r u so worried about getting lollipop? It's pretty crappy still. I have 5.0.1 on my Shield tablet it's got a bunch of weird bugs. I also have 5.0.2 on my nexus 5 and it's a piece of shirt now because of it.
Sometimes it's not best to be first. If you want lollipop so bad flash an AOSP ROM and deal with all the bugs just like everyone else is.
I have no issues with house this phone runs on TW. It's way better than either of my Lollipop devices.
The grass always looks greener. But tbh lollipop I'd looking like a huge fail. Hopefully 5.1 will fix a bunch of issues.
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If you want the fastest updates, get a Nexus. If you want spectacular hardware and a polished looked, keep your Samsung.

So is there a magical bug that makes every OEM skinned device a brick when Google releases a new version of android? Is your phone somehow less useful?

Am I the only one who is not anxious for lollipop to drop? I'm perfectly happy with kit Kat at the moment. It was a different story from Gb to ICS back in the Galaxy S2 days.

ShrekOpher said:
Why r u so worried about getting lollipop? It's pretty crappy still. I have 5.0.1 on my Shield tablet it's got a bunch of weird bugs. I also have 5.0.2 on my nexus 5 and it's a piece of shirt now because of it.
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Agreed. Nexus 7 and Shield Tablet. Lollipop is a complete mess. I can't believe they released it at all so far. Disappointed.
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Sigh, some folks get so dramatic over things. Outside of Nexus devices, other OEMs are not significantly different than Samsung. A month or two either way doesn't change the lifetime enjoyment of a device.
Would you rather have a device with an inferior screen, no S-pen, lesser performance, less functionality, a worse camera, etc? The Note 4 has been tops since it was released and will be top dog until the new phones come out at MWC.
Also - Samsung is updating the Note 2 with Lollipop- that's 2.5 years after release. Have other OEMs committed to updating their phones from 2012?

Well let's see. I've been a fan of amhung since the captivate days(galaxy s series)so that pretty much makes me a die hard amhung fan. Will I choose a different brand phone? Probably not. ?
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I love Samsung products. I've become a little bored with there design philosophy but as a whole I think there as good as it gets. I personally could careless how long it takes for the update as long as everything works like it's supposed to and as of right now it does with KitKat. Like others said, there have been a lot of bugs with LP so far and I'm kind of glad there taking there time instead of rushing it and needing to push several updates. If they were to push it and things were messed up, most of the people complaining about it taking so long would then complain about that.

And then when we finally get Lollipop there will be 20 threads about how bad/buggy it is and a bunch of people constantly asking how to flash back to KitKat.

I am using my iPhone 6+ until lollipop is released.
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I don't get all the hate on lollipop. I have it on my N7, had it before my One M7 GPE died and tried it on here. It ran perfect and lag free for me.
However I just enjoy the fingerprint scanner, the full S Pen functions and the one hand use features.
Also WiFi calling is a must for me at work right now.

Post started by someone who once they receive the update will also have something to complain about.
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egren58 said:
Ive been with aamsung since the s3 days. Before i was a sense guy for the longest. Now with samsung waiting ages to release lollipop for a phone that cost me almost 900$ im almost fed up and really want to go another route next time i buy a phone..
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So you blame Samsung for not getting Lollipop already? Samsung released Lollipop for most of the international phones http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/910f-official-lolipop-germany-dbt-t3029508 just an example...perhaps you should find out what is the hold up from your carrier trying to stuff T-Mobile bloat onto Samsung's existing release or any other US Carrier for that matter.

I kn I w its not all samsung but i don't think its fair thst we buy their latest flagship than become last in line to receive the new OS.

Life isn't fair. Nothing is promised to you and Note 3 and S5 users bought the latest flagship before you..

How do you think about Huawei and the promise for our Honor phones??

Hii to all Honor 8 owners :laugh:
I am starting this topic couse every here and there I find in all of the threads
someone complain how the Huawei don't care and that they don't update
our phone in a good way or at least as promised.
So, the ones which are compain, they say like I paid the money for the phone
I want this or that and they are not satisfide with the phone couse it is an all around good
phone but you know, no xda support or something like it is a good value phone but
Huawei is bad and so on and so on.
Now I want this things to be discussed in this topic...
What do you think, will we get the android O update?
Why do you think Huawei is the one to be blamed?
Do you think they will not keep with the promise they gave to all Honor phones
and the 2 year software upgrade??
Are you dissapointed with this phone or just with Huawei??
Do you think you are not getting with this phone what you have paid for??
And lots of other stuff to be discussed in this topic and thread..
Now to give my opinion.
First I want to say I had a lot of smartphones
I was having from LG, Samsung, Sony and some other phones and now evan this Huawei
The first thing I notice is you guys complain in every xda thread the same and
not being real not for once for any phone
It goes like this
I will never again buy an Huawei or LG or Samsung or Sony or other phone like iPhone
I paid so much money but not getting the full software support, they just don't care about this phone
Then after like 7 days it goes like this is the worst phone I ever had.. do not buy that phone guys couse
it has an overheat issue when gaming..
It is not good for gaming at all
And so on and so on...
Well I must say that you guys always complain that you don't know how to buy your next phone
or you want it to be perfect for the money you paid.. so you are not real..
So lets be real just for once, how come evan an samsung s8+ owner after one or two weeks is
complaining about the phone?? And the usuall thing, I wont buy samsung no more!! LooOOooL
Dont you go and read about the phone what you are getting and what you will be paying for?
Dont you come over to xda to first ask for user experiance but after some time you come to
blaim some company for not giving updates like you DESIRE IT .. like every month.. regardless of
the REAL possibility to have such support??
I had so many phones wich not evan had what now the Honor 8 has.. I had phones wich had no
support not just from the manufacturer but also not on xda like couse my phone was in my region
with the bootloader locked with no possibility to unlock it ever!!
And I was stuck on what I get out of the box
So, long story short, why you guys always looking for the perfect one wich will have it all
like the best build the premium feel and the xda support and evan the support from the
manufacturer and then not getting it and come to blaim someone after like two weeks..
Can it just once be like.. I am satisfide with what I got??
My opinion you should be satisfide with the Honor 8
It has after like 10 months more then some more expansive phones
Not to evan say something about the premium feel and the build quality
So, lets discuss it now and here what you think overall of it.. not in every other topic..

Software Update Policy for the Honor 5x and 8
Software Update Policy for the Honor 5x and 8
Posting this first will promote a better and more productive discussion.
BTW, the last time the Honor 8 FDR-L04/L14 were up-to-date with security patches was October 2016 when Huawei released B162 firmware. December security patch was released in February and that's the latest official we've got so far. Now the still to be released B385 update will bring us just up to March's patch.
I'm starting to see a pattern here now and is not good.

Hii @Dominikrod
Thanks for the link for the update policy
And yes it is not updated that fast.. like getting the march security in the late april or start of may
But is it really something to complain so much of it like some of users do?
What I want to say this is a very good phone not just for the price but it has right now more than some phones priced this much like the samsung A5 2016/2017 phones..
And I do belive that we will get not just the android O but also the needed support for it.. my opinion is it is like only 10 months on the marked and I think that Huawei is going to at some later point give the source code and needed support.. I am thinking thay just dont wont to give it all right at the very beginig of the phone.. so I always say the best is yet to come.. or It will be for me disapointed as some of you already are..
So I am still hoping

Thanks for your reply @Dominikrod. If what is actually going on is "the best possible" from Honor, then they are really bad at that.
People will always find something to complain about, but in this case, it is something that they (Honor) promised and they are not fulfilling. Imagine unboxing your phone and notice it have an inferior processor or half the RAM as announced. May be a little exaggerated, by I feel I'm not getting all that was promised.
I got this phone expecting to use great custom roms because of the XDA-Honor collaboration, which just seem like a scam from Honor by not releasing the kernel source.

fernandoarafat said:
Thanks for your reply @Dominikrod. If what is actually going on is "the best possible" from Honor, then they are really bad at that.
People will always find something to complain about, but in this case, it is something that they (Honor) promised and they are not fulfilling. Imagine unboxing your phone and notice it have an inferior processor or half the RAM as announced. May be a little exaggerated, by I feel I'm not getting all that was promised.
I got this phone expecting to use great custom roms because of the XDA-Honor collaboration, which just seem like a scam from Honor by not releasing the kernel source.
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Hii @fernandoarafat
And yes if it is the best possible wich is Huawei doing right now I think
it is still good enough but thats just my opinion
But yes I do see that this promise thing you all are saying made you all disappointed
in Huawei..
But nobody is saying if they ever gave a time limit like when they will be releasing anything
to the XDA community... all I hear is no more Huawei I wont be buying anymore phones from Huawei
or the other stuff you are disaappointed..
I just have an idea... like if Huawei had talked first with someone who was in charge from the XDA community..
And some of us ( as I know some developers ) were contacting Huawei..
Why don't we ask the ''someone'' from XDA community ( who made this agreement with Huawei )
to ask for all the Huawei owners here on XDA what is going on??
I think we should ask for what is promised and ask
for some answers or some time limit when some of things will happen.
Anybody more intrested?? Or maybe did anybody already spoke to someone
and has already some info regarding this??

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Don't know if you remember this one but this is almost laughable!
This was Taylor speaking about their new Software Update Policy.
Taylor Wimberly, a customer acquisition manager at Huawei Technologies (which owns Honor), has even gone so far as to challenge other manufacturers to follow Honor's example. "I hope that by announcing this policy that we can change the industry for the better. Seriously, all OEMs should be doing this and I welcome them to join us."

I just tried to contact the XDA community
But after asking the things I was.. and hitting the red SEND button
to send my message to them.. well it just was sending and sending it forever..
So, I have saved the text in my notepad and will try later to send it
Or some other day..
If I succeed and if I get an answer I will report this back to all of you

brljak83 said:
And I do belive that we will get not just the android O but also the needed support for it.. my opinion is it is like only 10 months on the marked and I think that Huawei is going to at some later point give the source code and needed support.. I am thinking thay just dont wont to give it all right at the very beginig of the phone.. so I always say the best is yet to come.. or It will be for me disapointed as some of you already are..
So I am still hoping
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Hi brljak83,
I'm not sure a 10 month-old phone counts as new device in this market, it's more of a passing one. The truth is that Huawei started quite nicely at the beginning but everything went down hill after November of last year. If you remember this phone was announced back in July/August and Huawei made all sort of PR stunts to convince prospect buyers that their product was the best choice in the $400 to $450 range, at least here in the USA market. I went ahead and bought for myself the $450 Honor 8 64GB at the beginning of that campaign. The Oneplus 3 was $399 at that time, but I wasn't happy with the way OnePlus treated OP2 and OPX owners, so I didn't wanted to do business with them anymore even though the OP3 was an amazing device for the price. Then OnePlus 3T happened and Huawei coudn't justify the overpriced H8 pricing strategy so retailers started discounting the Honor back in November. Some people may argue that H8 was not competing with the 5.5" screen phones but if you read carefully from the beginning that was their intention all alone. Actually some reviews I read compared it mostly with the OP3 and the Axon 7 since those phones are in the same price range or were.
Now mid May 2017, the OP3/3t and the Axon 7 64GB have Android 7.1.1 since April, plus both phones have been getting more frequent security update patches than the H8. And where are we? Still stuck with Android 7.0, December's Security Patch, battery drain issues and some old bugs that have not been fixed yet.
Now you tell me if Taylor Wimberly's August comment about other manufacturers should follow their example and commitment doesn't seem totally laughable.

What about this?
https://www.xda-developers.com/xda-and-honor-kick-off-partnership/

fernandoarafat said:
What about this?
https://www.xda-developers.com/xda-and-honor-kick-off-partnership/
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"Next prize giveaway date: new rules and prizes coming in the spring!"
Wonder if that it's still valid?

Thanks for this one
fernandoarafat said:
What about this?
https://www.xda-developers.com/xda-and-honor-kick-off-partnership/
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Hii
Thanks you for that link
I tried last night to contact the XDA community to get some answers
But it failed..
Thanks to you I got someone to contact regarding the partnership
When and if I get an answer I will post it and report it back to all of you
So that all of you will know what has been told to me
Thanks for the help :highfive:

No, I'm not happy.
I didn't buy this phone because of any xda partnership. I only found out about it after. Great!
I bought it because I liked Huawei devices, and despite EMUI being a pain sometimes, it had a lot of features that I did like.
What I did not expect was the endless amount of bugs and issues.
And now, I don't mind a few, it happens. I'm even happy we got an update to 7.0, even if they should have given us 7.1.
What I don't like is going MONTHS without a dime big patch.
Not to mention, due to "low sales", they're going to be pulling out of the US, so all of us will lose all support for our devices.
So no, forget it. I'm voting with my wallet and not buying another Huawei.
And you're right, everyone does say that. But I don't buy Samsung because of their terrible software and bloat. I don't buy LGs because of their bootlooping, and now I won't buy Huawei because of their piss poor support.
It's not about finding the "perfect phone" it's about finding a company that cares at least a little bit in fixing their bugs and meeting their commitments.
Which Huawei clearly isn't doing.

Hii @SolarisSixth
Well, it is your opinion for this phone and I do respect it..
But for me I am not bothered so much by some of the bugs.. And I have them too..
And what I would say to you as an advice from my own experiance becouse I had a lots of phones
like LG or Samsung or Sony or iPhone it is always the same story
Belive me always they say bad or week support I wont buy it again..
So you will have to choose your next phone wisely not to end disappointed again in the same way..
Do a lot of reading about your next phone couse otherwise you will end up again disappointed
Why
Couse it is by all of them the same way and the same treatment
The only thing what I know is for the very most expensive phones ( Flagships ) they get a bit more
treatment and a faster treatment couse it is the best company gives to the customers and it is
the phone that represents the company as the best one they have for that year.. and then you get
a bit better support for bugs and stuff.. couse they dont want to be bad by giving the most expensive one
wich should represent the best face of the company
So if money is not an issue for you and you already choose with your wallet then go for the
most expensive one and still if you get such a phone still be happy with what you get..

https://www.xda-developers.com/xda-and-honor-kick-off-partnership/
However, kernel source release, which Honor tells us will happen in the near future for the Honor 8
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:laugh: There is a broad definition about "near future". Also, legally they HAVE to share kernel source, but who cares about the law anyway?
I have also a Honor 7. They stop supporting roughly 1 year after release. No source code, no Nougat update. I thought they improved something, but apparently no. What a sucker!
It's up to anyone to deal in whatever manner they see fit with Huawei/Honor false promises. What is not debatable is if it's fair to demand for those promises being kept.
I'm not expecting anything besides what the brand promised. And for that I cannot be pointed as being over-demanding or wanting the impossible.
I was afraid of ZTE Axon support but apparently they lead the game, a long with OP and Sony. And given the lottery regarding quality of components Huawei P10, it's just all a big red flag not to spend a cent with the brand.
For now, I will keep the H8 and milk it as much as I can, until I see fit to change. For another brand, obviously.

So here I am to report it back to all of you
This maybe some good news afterall..maybe
It is regarding the partnership with XDA and to give the source code to us.
Read more in the link below
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-8/how-to/huawei-partnership-xda-news-afterall-t3607546

Well, i bought this phone at the end of March, this year. I bought it for 329€ on Amazon, and for that price at this specs i think it'a a very good phone, also considering that other similar phones costs even double this price sometimes. Afrer this i tried the phone and i just love it now. Fast, superb fingerprint sensor, good camera, good in gaming etc. The only thing i complain for is the GPU, could be better... However, talking about the software and updates, i think that we will get at least 7.1.1 (if Honor respect their promises). I'm not just talking however, i got in touch with Honor USA on Twitter and that's what they told me:
http://imgur.com/a/OSmLv Screen 1
http://imgur.com/a/RBBFb Screen 2
Ps. The first screen is from a pic that i saw on internet, related to another conversation with Honor USA (not mine). I just sent them this pic and tried to get a confirm from them...wich in the 50% maybe they gave me. Now i don't know if they will relase Android 7.1.1 with EMUI 5.1 someday, but i hope to see it. No hopes for Android O however...
What do you think?

Hii @Giuskiller
I think it will be supported
Just read the link in the post above yours..
I got a private message about the partnership with XDA
And the promise to support our phone with source code and more
Just read it in the link
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-8/how-to/huawei-partnership-xda-news-afterall-t3607546

brljak83 said:
Hii @Giuskiller
I think it will be supported
Just read the link in the post above yours..
I got a private message about the partnership with XDA
And the promise to support our phone with source code and more
Just read it in the link
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-8/how-to/huawei-partnership-xda-news-afterall-t3607546
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Hi, i was talking about official updates, not XDA related. However, nice to hear that

SolarisSixth said:
No, I'm not happy.
I didn't buy this phone because of any xda partnership. I only found out about it after. Great!
I bought it because I liked Huawei devices, and despite EMUI being a pain sometimes, it had a lot of features that I did like.
What I did not expect was the endless amount of bugs and issues.
And now, I don't mind a few, it happens. I'm even happy we got an update to 7.0, even if they should have given us 7.1.
What I don't like is going MONTHS without a dime big patch.
Not to mention, due to "low sales", they're going to be pulling out of the US, so all of us will lose all support for our devices.
So no, forget it. I'm voting with my wallet and not buying another Huawei.
And you're right, everyone does say that. But I don't buy Samsung because of their terrible software and bloat. I don't buy LGs because of their bootlooping, and now I won't buy Huawei because of their piss poor support.
It's not about finding the "perfect phone" it's about finding a company that cares at least a little bit in fixing their bugs and meeting their commitments.
Which Huawei clearly isn't doing.
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Honor is not pulling out of the US market and this has been confirmed by them. Can u please specify from where u got the information that they r leaving the US market?
Oh and they completely ignored my second question ?
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What's your ETA for the Android O update?

So, a few sources say that our devices will receive the Android O update very soon and to pass the time, why not share our expected or assumed OTA roll-out dates? I think that we will receive the update by the end of this month. What about you?

Agreed. I think they will probably release a rollback package or something like that with the original firmware to go along with it (7.0).

Here Are The Facts..
Soapy! said:
Sources say that our devices will receive the Android O update very soon?
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https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-oreo-emui-8-pro-9i-7x/
Have Patience...
Don't Root..

They've said Q1, I'll go with February

entirely irrelevant.... it's coming
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Hua...o-Honor-8-Lite-Honor-9i-and-Honor-7X_id101611

Thanks a lot

optionalmgrr.la said:
entirely irrelevant.... it's coming
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Hua...o-Honor-8-Lite-Honor-9i-and-Honor-7X_id101611
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It's ironic how you say this topic is irrelevant when you only reply with, "it's coming" which indicates absolutely nothing. This is a thread for everyone's expected ETA as the official rollout date is still unannounced. On another note, hopefully I won't deal with dense users like I did on the Le 2 forums, shudders.
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It's coming along with face unlock
Hope camera is tweek'd as well very dull
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From everything that I've read and taking Honor's past into consideration I think we may have to wait until March, which makes little to sense to me.
Why isn't Honor putting a little more effort into marketing this device? I've bought a half a dozen so far, primarily for friends that were still using phones from 3-5 years ago. They all love it and of course, coming from older devices, they feel like this device is a flagship!
Only real thing I miss is NFC, but my watch has it. 2.4 GHz is what I use for everything but my video streaming devices. I really could care less it still has a MicroUSB port.

badmark said:
From everything that I've read and taking Honor's past into consideration I think we may have to wait until March, which makes little to sense to me.
Why isn't Honor putting a little more effort into marketing this device? I've bought a half a dozen so far, primarily for friends that were still using phones from 3-5 years ago. They all love it and of course, coming from older devices, they feel like this device is a flagship!
Only real thing I miss is NFC, but my watch has it. 2.4 GHz is what I use for everything but my video streaming devices. I really could care less it still has a MicroUSB port.
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Your Comments Caught My Eye...
You seem to be a very Nice and Thoughtful friend.. To purchased not only 1 of these devices for yourself.. but to gift over $1,200.00 U.S.D. / 985 EURO's to friends to update their devices.. is truly a friend indeed :good:
Since you are obviously a man of means... what brought you to this budget device in the Honor 7X ?
It's certainly not the fastest..
Or.. has the best display...
Or.. the most RAM..
Why not the View 10, Huawei Mate 10 Pro, One Plus 5T, Pixel, S8, Note 8 ???
What brought a man of your means to the Honor 7X.. I'm really curious to know if you don't mind sharing..

As a software developer I own a plethora of devices and usually carry a minimum of 2 devices. Generally I am very conscious of the condition of my devices and despite the fact the majority of them never leave an office environment, they are all plastered in screen protectors and cases, it seems like they become more fragile every year. The S8 has been my secondary to my Pixel XL 2 since I got it, but as soon as I received the Honor 7X I put the S8 in the drawer. The 7X runs naked and I'm not worried about dropping it. It has enough of what I need. I run package Disabler and remove most of EMUI and Huawei's bloat, with Pixel launcher installed, I have a very close to stock Android on a rugged unit that's as tough as a 90s Nokia!