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Hey everyone.
So I have now given up. I have abandoned all hopes that our pleading and moaning would soften Huawei's cold, corporate heart and allow us to use android to its full potential. I have given up waiting for the rumored Marshmallow update and I have lost all faith in Huawei.
Here comes the question: Where to next?
Of course the phone has its upsides. The beautifully small bezels and decent screen make consuming content on the phone is a pleasurable experience (provided you're using earphones / headphones), and the gargantuan battery can keep you going for hours of binge-watching. The fingerprint reader has you back in action in the blink of an eye after you have stepped away to top up your drink and the snappy processor does not fail to impress when it comes to day-to-day operations.
BUT, this is only what they want you to see. I get a very, shall I say, Apple-esque feeling when using my Mate 7. Things are locked up, neatly boxed and kept in check. I cannot use my phone, which I paid for and use every day to install my favorite custom ROM's. I can't install Xposed, and that makes me sad and it makes me mad with rage. For my own health I have decided to walk away and leave this experience behind me. An experience that was not uncomfortable or inconvenient, but not fantastic and joyful either. It's like that friend who, even though you hang out all the time and have known each other for years, you just can't really like for some reason.
So, this weekend I am going to embark on a journey to find my new electronic companion. And I will not go home until I have done so. And this is why I am asking you for help. What should I keep my eyes open for? Let me list things that I am looking for in an ideal candidate:
- Good battery. The mate 7 will be hard to beat here, but anything that can comfortably get me through a day of moderate to heavy use will suffice.
- Decent camera. Let's face it, the Mate 7's camera is not too good, and for the job I have I need a phone that can snap a tantalizing picture in a moment's notice. OIS is a must.
- SUPPORT FOR CUSTOM ROMS AND XPOSED
- Good screen. I don't need an ultra-quad-4k display with a quintilian PPI, but a decent screen will go a long way.
- Fingerprint reader. This is not a must. My Moto 360 and Smart Lock will take care of things if it doesn't have one, but it'll be a plus.
SO, guys, what do you think? At this moment I'm thinking of going the Samsung route. This is not, I know, the best of the best as far as pure android goes, but it's decent at least (thinking of a Note 4/5). If I can find one where I live I will probably end up going for a Nexus 6P, though I doubt I'll find one here.
Any advice will be much appreciated.
Sorry for the rant!
Cheers :good:
A Nexus 6 would be a good choice. In fact, I am thinking about this change. Slightly better camera, better sound, better display, more powerful gpu, water resistant... And of course the best development support ever. The downsides (for me) would be the design and fingerprint sensor. The battery is not as good as in the Mate7 but it's still above average.
I don't like the design of the Nexus 6p, it's more expensive and also the SD810 chip is very problematic...
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blackhawk_LA said:
A Nexus 6 would be a good choice. In fact, I am thinking about this change. Slightly better camera, better sound, better display, more powerful gpu, water resistant... And of course the best development support ever. The downsides (for me) would be the design and fingerprint sensor. The battery is not as good as in the Mate7 but it's still above average.
I don't like the design of the Nexus 6p, it's more expensive and also the SD810 chip is very problematic...
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I in turn (personal opinion alert) love the design of the 6P, and if I can manage to find one where I live, which is unlikely, I'll definitely pick it up. Yeah sure, it's a bit more expensive, and the 810 heats up, but I'll kill for that pure Android experience. It's the reason why I moved back to Android from IOS, but I blindly bought the HAM7 thinking I'll just stick a custom ROM on it. Shows you the importance of doing research beforehand....
Nexus devices aren't sold in retail where I live, and it'll only be smaller, niche companies that would bother importing them, so I'll probably end up having to settle for a LG G4 or Galaxy S5 / Note 4, of which there are plenty.
To be honest, and this is quite depressing to admit, other than Samsung and Huawei devices you'll pretty much only find cheap Chinese phones and other unknown / knockoff devices here. Very sad indeed...
Maybe you can find an One Plus Two? People are happy with it and there is some interesting development for it
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"So I have now given up. I have abandoned all hopes that our pleading and moaning would soften Huawei's cold, corporate heart and allow us to use android to its full potential. I have given up waiting for the rumored Marshmallow update and I have lost all faith in Huawei." Why did u buy huawei in first place if u wanted software updates? No1 does that
Nexus 6P all the way.
Scruffykid said:
Hey everyone.
So I have now given up. I have abandoned all hopes that our pleading and moaning would soften Huawei's cold, corporate heart and allow us to use android to its full potential. I have given up waiting for the rumored Marshmallow update and I have lost all faith in Huawei.
Here comes the question: Where to next?
Of course the phone has its upsides. The beautifully small bezels and decent screen make consuming content on the phone is a pleasurable experience (provided you're using earphones / headphones), and the gargantuan battery can keep you going for hours of binge-watching. The fingerprint reader has you back in action in the blink of an eye after you have stepped away to top up your drink and the snappy processor does not fail to impress when it comes to day-to-day operations.
BUT, this is only what they want you to see. I get a very, shall I say, Apple-esque feeling when using my Mate 7. Things are locked up, neatly boxed and kept in check. I cannot use my phone, which I paid for and use every day to install my favorite custom ROM's. I can't install Xposed, and that makes me sad and it makes me mad with rage. For my own health I have decided to walk away and leave this experience behind me. An experience that was not uncomfortable or inconvenient, but not fantastic and joyful either. It's like that friend who, even though you hang out all the time and have known each other for years, you just can't really like for some reason.
So, this weekend I am going to embark on a journey to find my new electronic companion. And I will not go home until I have done so. And this is why I am asking you for help. What should I keep my eyes open for? Let me list things that I am looking for in an ideal candidate:
- Good battery. The mate 7 will be hard to beat here, but anything that can comfortably get me through a day of moderate to heavy use will suffice.
- Decent camera. Let's face it, the Mate 7's camera is not too good, and for the job I have I need a phone that can snap a tantalizing picture in a moment's notice. OIS is a must.
- SUPPORT FOR CUSTOM ROMS AND XPOSED
- Good screen. I don't need an ultra-quad-4k display with a quintilian PPI, but a decent screen will go a long way.
- Fingerprint reader. This is not a must. My Moto 360 and Smart Lock will take care of things if it doesn't have one, but it'll be a plus.
SO, guys, what do you think? At this moment I'm thinking of going the Samsung route. This is not, I know, the best of the best as far as pure android goes, but it's decent at least (thinking of a Note 4/5). If I can find one where I live I will probably end up going for a Nexus 6P, though I doubt I'll find one here.
Any advice will be much appreciated.
Sorry for the rant!
Cheers :good:
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Check out these alternatives to the Mate 7:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a9_(2016)-7641.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/zte_axon_max-7938.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/oppo_r7_plus-7237.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/oppo_r9_plus-7981.php
Hynic90 said:
"So I have now given up. I have abandoned all hopes that our pleading and moaning would soften Huawei's cold, corporate heart and allow us to use android to its full potential. I have given up waiting for the rumored Marshmallow update and I have lost all faith in Huawei." Why did u buy huawei in first place if u wanted software updates? No1 does that
Nexus 6P all the way.
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As mentioned I blindly purchased it without doing any real research beforehand, thinking I'd just install a different ROM and not depend on Huawei's updates. It was stupid of me, I know.
"Maybe you can find an One Plus Two? People are happy with it and there is some interesting development for it"
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I would love a One Plus, however as I've said I live in a country where niche devices are hard to come by.
Check out these alternatives to the Mate 7:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...2016)-7641.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/zte_axon_max-7938.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/oppo_r7_plus-7237.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/oppo_r9_plus-7981.php
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These are pretty decent alternatives, and pretty much in the range I'm looking for. The Galaxy A9 should be easy enough to find here. Replace Touchwiz with something else like CM and it will be a decent daily driver. I might even be able to find an Oppo here... Maybe... But I'll read up on the A9 as it's most likely to pop up in a store here. Thanks! :good:
I have been equally frustrated with this phone as well but it does have some major upsides like you've stated. I just want to inform you that the final and official EMUI 4.0 Marshmallow update is available for those who search enough! I'm running Android Marshmallow right now + a custom theme that removes the ugly backgrounds and borders on icons so except for the lack of an app drawer, the software is pretty neat now. I found this site ( huaweifirmware.com/huawei-mate-7 ) with instructions. There is also a thread in the general section of the Mate 7 with another download link for the marshmallow update! Cheers! :highfive:
Keep in mind that is for the 2Gb L09 version.
The 10 is only at B331 LP still.
RobboW said:
Keep in mind that is for the 2Gb L09 version.
The 10 is only at B331 LP still.
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If you are talking about MM then B511 is available for L09 and TL10. You need to get to B326 first before upgrading to B511.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-7/general/l09-tl10-ascend-mate-7-b511-marshmallow-t3299735
konniksanders said:
I have been equally frustrated with this phone as well but it does have some major upsides like you've stated. I just want to inform you that the final and official EMUI 4.0 Marshmallow update is available for those who search enough! I'm running Android Marshmallow right now + a custom theme that removes the ugly backgrounds and borders on icons so except for the lack of an app drawer, the software is pretty neat now. I found this site ( huaweifirmware.com/huawei-mate-7 ) with instructions. There is also a thread in the general section of the Mate 7 with another download link for the marshmallow update! Cheers! :highfive:
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Which official version are you talking about , to my knowledge there egypt and I think also poland who got marshmallow on OTA, but it was actually the Beta they rolled out.
Confirm that the so called official version is not identical to the beta version ?
CloudCompute said:
If you are talking about MM then B511 is available for L09 and TL10. You need to get to B326 first before upgrading to B511.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-7/general/l09-tl10-ascend-mate-7-b511-marshmallow-t3299735
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It's yet a beta, isn't it?
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raybanBcn said:
It's yet a beta, isn't it?
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Yes, it was released as a beta, however quite a successful one at that. I find it better than all the other roms, KK, LP and MM, beta or otherwise.
konniksanders said:
I have been equally frustrated with this phone as well but it does have some major upsides like you've stated. I just want to inform you that the final and official EMUI 4.0 Marshmallow update is available for those who search enough! I'm running Android Marshmallow right now + a custom theme that removes the ugly backgrounds and borders on icons so except for the lack of an app drawer, the software is pretty neat now. I found this site ( huaweifirmware.com/huawei-mate-7 ) with instructions. There is also a thread in the general section of the Mate 7 with another download link for the marshmallow update! Cheers! :highfive:
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Keep in mind that is for the 2Gb L09 version.
The 10 is only at B331 LP still.
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As RobboW said the MM update is only for the L09 version (I'm on the L10 3gb). Plus it's infuriating that I couldn't even get an OTA update to LP, it has to be done manually. Granted it isn't a very complicated process, but I do not agree with Huawei's lack of support when it comes to updates.
Even looking past that the most annoying thing is EMUI itself. It just simply isn't for me, from the dialer app to the notification panel, everything annoys me.
I have done some reading up and I think I'm gonna go with a OnePlus 2. I certainly won't get it here, though fortunately my boyfriend will be travelling to the UK for business soon, so he'll be able to pick one up for me there. The OP2 has near-to-stock Android with a few sprinkles on top, it's battery should be able to last me even through the roughest of days and of course root / ROM support is much, much better. It's also got a fingerprint scanner, which is a bonus and the camera is okay.
I'm also frustrated with the way Huawei handels OTA updates, I've only gotten 2 small ones and had to manually update to 5.1 and 6.0. I understand you wanting to switch phones, enjoy your new one! I do recommend updating to the B513 "beta" version for TL-09, I do not know anything about the TL-10 version. Best of luck!
Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
moto x force
aymnga said:
Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
moto x force
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These are both excellent choices, but slightly out of my budget. I think I'd be happy with the OnePlus 2...
Cheers :good:
konniksanders said:
I'm also frustrated with the way Huawei handels OTA updates, I've only gotten 2 small ones and had to manually update to 5.1 and 6.0. I understand you wanting to switch phones, enjoy your new one! I do recommend updating to the B513 "beta" version for TL-09, I do not know anything about the TL-10 version. Best of luck!
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I have been reading too much about bricked phones etc I do not dare to update to marshmallow beta
Scruffykid said:
As RobboW said the MM update is only for the L09 version (I'm on the L10 3gb). Plus it's infuriating that I couldn't even get an OTA update to LP, it has to be done manually. Granted it isn't a very complicated process, but I do not agree with Huawei's lack of support when it comes to updates.
Even looking past that the most annoying thing is EMUI itself. It just simply isn't for me, from the dialer app to the notification panel, everything annoys me.
I have done some reading up and I think I'm gonna go with a OnePlus 2. I certainly won't get it here, though fortunately my boyfriend will be travelling to the UK for business soon, so he'll be able to pick one up for me there. The OP2 has near-to-stock Android with a few sprinkles on top, it's battery should be able to last me even through the roughest of days and of course root / ROM support is much, much better. It's also got a fingerprint scanner, which is a bonus and the camera is okay.
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That being the case, I'd say get your boyfriend to pick you up a 6p if you could scrape up the funds. Sounds like you have the same mindset as I had regarding the mate 7....I also considered the one plus but ultimately ponied up the extra and got the 6p and am extremely happy. Ticks all the boxes and shows how good huawei hardware can be if paired with the right software. The emui, lack of fully functional 'vanila' aftermarket android rom support for the mate 7 and the overly convoluted flashing processes were the main reasons I dumped the 7. The camera on the 6p is also light years ahead, especially in low light.
I‘m using Lollipop B331 and cannot get VIPER4Android to install it's driver, but other than that I like Lollipop.
I‘ve realised I can‘t do without Viper. Rather than sell my Mate 7 I will revert to Kitkat so I can run Viper. l‘ll also be able to get some basic Xposed to work again.
A 6P would be hard to beat if it had an SD820
Looks like there is a higher-end variant of the Mi Mix in the horizon called the Mi Mix Evo. Leaked Geekbench screenshot shows Snapdragon 835 and 4GB of RAM.
I wonder whether it will have a better camera sensor.
I'm not worried about the Snapdragon 835. I knew there were many new devices from Samsung, LG and the like with better specs than the Mix, coming out soon.
I expected the Mix to be a "one of a kind" device for a while, like how the Xperia Z Ultra was, at one point of time.
If the rumors pan out to be true, the fact that it may change that, is a bit disappointing I guess.
Moreover, judging from Xiaomi's history with previous devices, it doesn't look like we may see a lot of development for the device. Add to the fact, a very small community of us here and an even smaller community of users at the MIUI forums.
Does anyone regret buying the Mix, considering the Mix Evo would be sold at a similar price?
Source: GSMArena
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No regrets
@vergilbt I agree..
Not at all.
Sent from my MIghty Mix.
This would be cool if it has something other than a ceramic or glass body.
It'd be refreshing to have a ruggedized shell/display,no need for a case.
Otherwise, I don't have regrets.
Worldwide 2G/3G/4G/LTE support would be the main spec to consider trading up.
An I-R Blaster & wireless charging would seal the deal.
There's a lot of nice phones hitting the market soon,most of us here will be experiencing some measure of buyers remorse, especially if you're strictly a one-phone-at-a-time user.
HTC's latest U Series devices look nice.The Ultra is tempting (for me),but, I'm passing.
Besides,they will likely introduce yet another flagship @ MWC.Ditto with Huawei (P10), Samsung & LG.
It's a vicious nonstop cycle that's a real Love/Hate experience for those of us who use little to no restraint in trying out virtually everything on the market. ?
With that said, I'm outta here for a bit,got a Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro that just delivered & a Huawei Mate 9 delivering tomorrow.
An intervention is definitely in order,LOL......?
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KOLIOSIS said:
With that said, I'm outta here for a bit,got a Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro that just delivered & a Huawei Mate 9 delivering tomorrow.
An intervention is definitely in order,LOL......?
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Do you sell off all your old devices or keep them? I buy mine outright and mostly keep them. When my cycle hit 6 months I had to grab myself by the neck and slow it down. Can't let this consumerism consume me :laugh:
benziii said:
Do you sell off all your old devices or keep them? I buy mine outright and mostly keep them. When my cycle hit 6 months I had to grab myself by the neck and slow it down. Can't let this consumerism consume me :laugh:
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Most of my phone deals have been leases via T-Mobile's JumpOnDemand.
I've sold a few,not many,but, the trio of Xiaomi Mi MIX/Redmi Note 3 Pro/Huawei Mate 9 look to be long-term keepers,having buying them outright.
If I do need to thin the herd,I'll list 'em on Swappa,as other sites/private sales net only a fraction of their worth.
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I have to admit that I'm pretty annoyed by this news. I literally just ordered this phone a day ago and they are already anouncing a better variant? Like I didn't have enough buyers regret already
SantinoInc said:
I have to admit that I'm pretty annoyed by this news. I literally just ordered this phone a day ago and they are already anouncing a better variant? Like I didn't have enough buyers regret already
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Couldn't have said it better myself,LOL......
Considering returning for a refund?
I know this is a PITA & a little bit of extra expense,but,if the rumors pan out...................................
KOLIOSIS said:
Couldn't have said it better myself,LOL......
Considering returning for a refund?
I know this is a PITA & a little bit of extra expense,but,if the rumors pan out...................................
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I got a serious phone problem. I'm currently on the S7 which I have no complaints about but I always need something new. I always like MIUI though so hopefully I'll enjoy this phone and be content with it for a while.
SantinoInc said:
I got a serious phone problem. I'm currently on the S7 which I have no complaints about but I always need something new. I always like MIUI though so hopefully I'll enjoy this phone and be content with it for a while.
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Been chasing that same Android Unicorn for five or six years now,kinda made a New Years resolution to curb it a bit ,but,as you,not successful,two new phones this month alone,not counting the Mix..........
I rationalize my habit by telling myself "I could be doing worse things"............
KOLIOSIS said:
Been chasing that same Android Unicorn for five or six years now,kinda made a New Years resolution to curb it a bit ,but,as you,not successful,two new phones this month alone,not counting the Mix..........
I rationalize my habit by telling myself "I could be doing worse things"............
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Hey, since I have your ear what's your current setup for this phone? Did you root and install TWRP? What ROM are you running? Any Xposed?
SantinoInc said:
Hey, since I have your ear what's your current setup for this phone? Did you root and install TWRP? What ROM are you running? Any Xposed?
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My phone came with an unlocked bootloader.
As soon as I realized that, I installed TWRP,made a backup of whatever was on my phone & jumped to the EU ROM,switched seamlessly to GlobeROM (very similar).
I have most MIUI/Xiaomi apps disabled,using SD Maid Pro.
Using Nova Launcher Pro & MIUI Xposed,I believe there's a thread here somewhere with the links for the proper version of Xposed for MIUI 8.
If not,just ping me & I'll post/PM 'em to you.......
In photography we call that Gear Acquisition Syndrome (gas).
The way I fixed it is to use the older generation for a while. I had a pretty serious issue with phones before but was forced to use my original xperia z1 after g4 had bootloop issue.
Turns out the z1 is so lovable that I didn't even bother fixing the g4. I only got the mix since it's one of a kind phone.
The hardware upgrade is getting insignificant. Even with a 50% battery improvement on the mix, it wouldn't be that important since the original mix is already pretty damn good.
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I have to admit that I'm pretty annoyed by this news. I literally just ordered this phone a day ago and they are already anouncing a better variant? Like I didn't have enough buyers regret already
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KOLIOSIS said:
Couldn't have said it better myself,LOL......
Considering returning for a refund?
I know this is a PITA & a little bit of extra expense,but,if the rumors pan out...................................
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Got this device just a few weeks back. I knew there were next gen phones with next gen specs coming out around Feb- March, which didn't bother me much. I bought the Mix, knowing this is a unique device. If an upgraded version hits the market too soon,, it will significantly diminish the value of the Original Mix. Moreover, we may not see much in terms of development if the interest for this device goes down too soon. And considering Xiaomi isn't very good at releasing kernel sources, we may even be on Marshmallow for a long long time. And that kinda sucks, especially for people who don't switch phones too often!
Before people start getting too pissed off, bear in mind the sheer volume of fake rumours that surface in relation to Xiaomi handsets - probably more even than for Samsung or Apple.
There's already been the debunked news about the Mi Mix Nano, not to mention the rumoured SD821-toting Mi S that never materialised, the rumours about a Mi 5C that have so far come to naught and a lot of Mi Note 2 rumours that turned out to be incorrect.
For all we know, that's just a test unit for the SD835 Xiaomi are using that's been given some random name - or even a completely faked benchmark.
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Before people start getting too pissed off, bear in mind the sheer volume of fake rumours that surface in relation to Xiaomi handsets - probably more even than for Samsung or Apple.
There's already been the debunked news about the Mi Mix Nano, not to mention the rumoured SD821-toting Mi S that never materialised, the rumours about a Mi 5C that have so far come to naught and a lot of Mi Note 2 rumours that turned out to be incorrect.
For all we know, that's just a test unit for the SD835 Xiaomi are using that's been given some random name - or even a completely faked benchmark.
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Good call all around. :good:
Most of the angst is tongue-in-cheek,most here know how the life cycle of the smartphone scene is in constant change.
Those truly upset would do better to find a hobby that's just as consuming,but,easier on the wallet,or,focus on finding the best in the low-to-midrange segment (Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro,OnePlus,etc.....)
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Step666 said:
Before people start getting too pissed off, bear in mind the sheer volume of fake rumours that surface in relation to Xiaomi handsets - probably more even than for Samsung or Apple.
There's already been the debunked news about the Mi Mix Nano, not to mention the rumoured SD821-toting Mi S that never materialised, the rumours about a Mi 5C that have so far come to naught and a lot of Mi Note 2 rumours that turned out to be incorrect.
For all we know, that's just a test unit for the SD835 Xiaomi are using that's been given some random name - or even a completely faked benchmark.
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Good call all around. :good:
Most of the angst is tongue-in-cheek,most here know how the life cycle of the smartphone scene is in constant change.
Those truly upset would do better to find a hobby that's just as consuming,but,easier on the wallet,or,focus on finding the best in the low-to-midrange segment (Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro,OnePlus,etc.....)
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Just hoping Xiaomi releases Kernel source for this device. As long as we see some real development for this device, I don't have any problems even if they bring one with Snapdragon 840.
The oneplus 3/3T has some really good ROMs, is based on the same chipset and if we have the source for the Mix, guess we can port a few ROMs. AOSP or CM anyone?
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Just hoping Xiaomi releases Kernel source for this device. As long as we see some real development for this device, I don't have any problems even if they bring one with Snapdragon 840.
The oneplus 3/3T has some really good ROMs, is based on the same chipset and if we have the source for the Mix, guess we can port a few ROMs. AOSP or CM anyone?
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Nothing like forced perspective to appreciate the MIX:
1) Just finished setting up my Redmi Note3 Pro & while it's definitely a great device, arguably the best bang for the buck available,it can't hold a candle to the Mix.
2) Same with my Samsung Galaxy Note4,is still a great phone,but,even with its S-Pen/I-R Blaster/expandable storage & removable battery, I'd pick the MIX without any hesitation.The performance/display/battery life are outstanding, exceeding expectations big time.
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Good call all around. :good:
Most of the angst is tongue-in-cheek,most here know how the life cycle of the smartphone scene is in constant change.
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Don't get me wrong, I completely get how frustrating it is to shell out for something and have it be superceded shortly after, even when you know it's likely to happen.
And should Xiaomi turn around and announce a superior Mi Mix a couple of months after I got mine, I'd be first in line to whine about it.
But having spent something like 10 months last year waiting for a phone I wanted to splash out on, I've come to realise just how low the wheat-to-chaff ratio is with Xiaomi rumours. So I'll hold off on complaining until I know for a fact what's happening
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The oneplus 3/3T has some really good ROMs, is based on the same chipset and if we have the source for the Mix, guess we can port a few ROMs. AOSP or CM anyone?
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Each to their own, of course, but for me a huge part of the appeal of the Mi Mix is MIUI - any other ROM would feel like know was losing part of what makes the Mix so great.
Hii to all Honor 8 owners :laugh:
I am starting this topic couse every here and there I find in all of the threads
someone complain how the Huawei don't care and that they don't update
our phone in a good way or at least as promised.
So, the ones which are compain, they say like I paid the money for the phone
I want this or that and they are not satisfide with the phone couse it is an all around good
phone but you know, no xda support or something like it is a good value phone but
Huawei is bad and so on and so on.
Now I want this things to be discussed in this topic...
What do you think, will we get the android O update?
Why do you think Huawei is the one to be blamed?
Do you think they will not keep with the promise they gave to all Honor phones
and the 2 year software upgrade??
Are you dissapointed with this phone or just with Huawei??
Do you think you are not getting with this phone what you have paid for??
And lots of other stuff to be discussed in this topic and thread..
Now to give my opinion.
First I want to say I had a lot of smartphones
I was having from LG, Samsung, Sony and some other phones and now evan this Huawei
The first thing I notice is you guys complain in every xda thread the same and
not being real not for once for any phone
It goes like this
I will never again buy an Huawei or LG or Samsung or Sony or other phone like iPhone
I paid so much money but not getting the full software support, they just don't care about this phone
Then after like 7 days it goes like this is the worst phone I ever had.. do not buy that phone guys couse
it has an overheat issue when gaming..
It is not good for gaming at all
And so on and so on...
Well I must say that you guys always complain that you don't know how to buy your next phone
or you want it to be perfect for the money you paid.. so you are not real..
So lets be real just for once, how come evan an samsung s8+ owner after one or two weeks is
complaining about the phone?? And the usuall thing, I wont buy samsung no more!! LooOOooL
Dont you go and read about the phone what you are getting and what you will be paying for?
Dont you come over to xda to first ask for user experiance but after some time you come to
blaim some company for not giving updates like you DESIRE IT .. like every month.. regardless of
the REAL possibility to have such support??
I had so many phones wich not evan had what now the Honor 8 has.. I had phones wich had no
support not just from the manufacturer but also not on xda like couse my phone was in my region
with the bootloader locked with no possibility to unlock it ever!!
And I was stuck on what I get out of the box
So, long story short, why you guys always looking for the perfect one wich will have it all
like the best build the premium feel and the xda support and evan the support from the
manufacturer and then not getting it and come to blaim someone after like two weeks..
Can it just once be like.. I am satisfide with what I got??
My opinion you should be satisfide with the Honor 8
It has after like 10 months more then some more expansive phones
Not to evan say something about the premium feel and the build quality
So, lets discuss it now and here what you think overall of it.. not in every other topic..
Software Update Policy for the Honor 5x and 8
Software Update Policy for the Honor 5x and 8
Posting this first will promote a better and more productive discussion.
BTW, the last time the Honor 8 FDR-L04/L14 were up-to-date with security patches was October 2016 when Huawei released B162 firmware. December security patch was released in February and that's the latest official we've got so far. Now the still to be released B385 update will bring us just up to March's patch.
I'm starting to see a pattern here now and is not good.
Hii @Dominikrod
Thanks for the link for the update policy
And yes it is not updated that fast.. like getting the march security in the late april or start of may
But is it really something to complain so much of it like some of users do?
What I want to say this is a very good phone not just for the price but it has right now more than some phones priced this much like the samsung A5 2016/2017 phones..
And I do belive that we will get not just the android O but also the needed support for it.. my opinion is it is like only 10 months on the marked and I think that Huawei is going to at some later point give the source code and needed support.. I am thinking thay just dont wont to give it all right at the very beginig of the phone.. so I always say the best is yet to come.. or It will be for me disapointed as some of you already are..
So I am still hoping
Thanks for your reply @Dominikrod. If what is actually going on is "the best possible" from Honor, then they are really bad at that.
People will always find something to complain about, but in this case, it is something that they (Honor) promised and they are not fulfilling. Imagine unboxing your phone and notice it have an inferior processor or half the RAM as announced. May be a little exaggerated, by I feel I'm not getting all that was promised.
I got this phone expecting to use great custom roms because of the XDA-Honor collaboration, which just seem like a scam from Honor by not releasing the kernel source.
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Thanks for your reply @Dominikrod. If what is actually going on is "the best possible" from Honor, then they are really bad at that.
People will always find something to complain about, but in this case, it is something that they (Honor) promised and they are not fulfilling. Imagine unboxing your phone and notice it have an inferior processor or half the RAM as announced. May be a little exaggerated, by I feel I'm not getting all that was promised.
I got this phone expecting to use great custom roms because of the XDA-Honor collaboration, which just seem like a scam from Honor by not releasing the kernel source.
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Hii @fernandoarafat
And yes if it is the best possible wich is Huawei doing right now I think
it is still good enough but thats just my opinion
But yes I do see that this promise thing you all are saying made you all disappointed
in Huawei..
But nobody is saying if they ever gave a time limit like when they will be releasing anything
to the XDA community... all I hear is no more Huawei I wont be buying anymore phones from Huawei
or the other stuff you are disaappointed..
I just have an idea... like if Huawei had talked first with someone who was in charge from the XDA community..
And some of us ( as I know some developers ) were contacting Huawei..
Why don't we ask the ''someone'' from XDA community ( who made this agreement with Huawei )
to ask for all the Huawei owners here on XDA what is going on??
I think we should ask for what is promised and ask
for some answers or some time limit when some of things will happen.
Anybody more intrested?? Or maybe did anybody already spoke to someone
and has already some info regarding this??
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Don't know if you remember this one but this is almost laughable!
This was Taylor speaking about their new Software Update Policy.
Taylor Wimberly, a customer acquisition manager at Huawei Technologies (which owns Honor), has even gone so far as to challenge other manufacturers to follow Honor's example. "I hope that by announcing this policy that we can change the industry for the better. Seriously, all OEMs should be doing this and I welcome them to join us."
I just tried to contact the XDA community
But after asking the things I was.. and hitting the red SEND button
to send my message to them.. well it just was sending and sending it forever..
So, I have saved the text in my notepad and will try later to send it
Or some other day..
If I succeed and if I get an answer I will report this back to all of you
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And I do belive that we will get not just the android O but also the needed support for it.. my opinion is it is like only 10 months on the marked and I think that Huawei is going to at some later point give the source code and needed support.. I am thinking thay just dont wont to give it all right at the very beginig of the phone.. so I always say the best is yet to come.. or It will be for me disapointed as some of you already are..
So I am still hoping
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Hi brljak83,
I'm not sure a 10 month-old phone counts as new device in this market, it's more of a passing one. The truth is that Huawei started quite nicely at the beginning but everything went down hill after November of last year. If you remember this phone was announced back in July/August and Huawei made all sort of PR stunts to convince prospect buyers that their product was the best choice in the $400 to $450 range, at least here in the USA market. I went ahead and bought for myself the $450 Honor 8 64GB at the beginning of that campaign. The Oneplus 3 was $399 at that time, but I wasn't happy with the way OnePlus treated OP2 and OPX owners, so I didn't wanted to do business with them anymore even though the OP3 was an amazing device for the price. Then OnePlus 3T happened and Huawei coudn't justify the overpriced H8 pricing strategy so retailers started discounting the Honor back in November. Some people may argue that H8 was not competing with the 5.5" screen phones but if you read carefully from the beginning that was their intention all alone. Actually some reviews I read compared it mostly with the OP3 and the Axon 7 since those phones are in the same price range or were.
Now mid May 2017, the OP3/3t and the Axon 7 64GB have Android 7.1.1 since April, plus both phones have been getting more frequent security update patches than the H8. And where are we? Still stuck with Android 7.0, December's Security Patch, battery drain issues and some old bugs that have not been fixed yet.
Now you tell me if Taylor Wimberly's August comment about other manufacturers should follow their example and commitment doesn't seem totally laughable.
What about this?
https://www.xda-developers.com/xda-and-honor-kick-off-partnership/
fernandoarafat said:
What about this?
https://www.xda-developers.com/xda-and-honor-kick-off-partnership/
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"Next prize giveaway date: new rules and prizes coming in the spring!"
Wonder if that it's still valid?
Thanks for this one
fernandoarafat said:
What about this?
https://www.xda-developers.com/xda-and-honor-kick-off-partnership/
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Hii
Thanks you for that link
I tried last night to contact the XDA community to get some answers
But it failed..
Thanks to you I got someone to contact regarding the partnership
When and if I get an answer I will post it and report it back to all of you
So that all of you will know what has been told to me
Thanks for the help :highfive:
No, I'm not happy.
I didn't buy this phone because of any xda partnership. I only found out about it after. Great!
I bought it because I liked Huawei devices, and despite EMUI being a pain sometimes, it had a lot of features that I did like.
What I did not expect was the endless amount of bugs and issues.
And now, I don't mind a few, it happens. I'm even happy we got an update to 7.0, even if they should have given us 7.1.
What I don't like is going MONTHS without a dime big patch.
Not to mention, due to "low sales", they're going to be pulling out of the US, so all of us will lose all support for our devices.
So no, forget it. I'm voting with my wallet and not buying another Huawei.
And you're right, everyone does say that. But I don't buy Samsung because of their terrible software and bloat. I don't buy LGs because of their bootlooping, and now I won't buy Huawei because of their piss poor support.
It's not about finding the "perfect phone" it's about finding a company that cares at least a little bit in fixing their bugs and meeting their commitments.
Which Huawei clearly isn't doing.
Hii @SolarisSixth
Well, it is your opinion for this phone and I do respect it..
But for me I am not bothered so much by some of the bugs.. And I have them too..
And what I would say to you as an advice from my own experiance becouse I had a lots of phones
like LG or Samsung or Sony or iPhone it is always the same story
Belive me always they say bad or week support I wont buy it again..
So you will have to choose your next phone wisely not to end disappointed again in the same way..
Do a lot of reading about your next phone couse otherwise you will end up again disappointed
Why
Couse it is by all of them the same way and the same treatment
The only thing what I know is for the very most expensive phones ( Flagships ) they get a bit more
treatment and a faster treatment couse it is the best company gives to the customers and it is
the phone that represents the company as the best one they have for that year.. and then you get
a bit better support for bugs and stuff.. couse they dont want to be bad by giving the most expensive one
wich should represent the best face of the company
So if money is not an issue for you and you already choose with your wallet then go for the
most expensive one and still if you get such a phone still be happy with what you get..
https://www.xda-developers.com/xda-and-honor-kick-off-partnership/
However, kernel source release, which Honor tells us will happen in the near future for the Honor 8
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:laugh: There is a broad definition about "near future". Also, legally they HAVE to share kernel source, but who cares about the law anyway?
I have also a Honor 7. They stop supporting roughly 1 year after release. No source code, no Nougat update. I thought they improved something, but apparently no. What a sucker!
It's up to anyone to deal in whatever manner they see fit with Huawei/Honor false promises. What is not debatable is if it's fair to demand for those promises being kept.
I'm not expecting anything besides what the brand promised. And for that I cannot be pointed as being over-demanding or wanting the impossible.
I was afraid of ZTE Axon support but apparently they lead the game, a long with OP and Sony. And given the lottery regarding quality of components Huawei P10, it's just all a big red flag not to spend a cent with the brand.
For now, I will keep the H8 and milk it as much as I can, until I see fit to change. For another brand, obviously.
So here I am to report it back to all of you
This maybe some good news afterall..maybe
It is regarding the partnership with XDA and to give the source code to us.
Read more in the link below
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-8/how-to/huawei-partnership-xda-news-afterall-t3607546
Well, i bought this phone at the end of March, this year. I bought it for 329€ on Amazon, and for that price at this specs i think it'a a very good phone, also considering that other similar phones costs even double this price sometimes. Afrer this i tried the phone and i just love it now. Fast, superb fingerprint sensor, good camera, good in gaming etc. The only thing i complain for is the GPU, could be better... However, talking about the software and updates, i think that we will get at least 7.1.1 (if Honor respect their promises). I'm not just talking however, i got in touch with Honor USA on Twitter and that's what they told me:
http://imgur.com/a/OSmLv Screen 1
http://imgur.com/a/RBBFb Screen 2
Ps. The first screen is from a pic that i saw on internet, related to another conversation with Honor USA (not mine). I just sent them this pic and tried to get a confirm from them...wich in the 50% maybe they gave me. Now i don't know if they will relase Android 7.1.1 with EMUI 5.1 someday, but i hope to see it. No hopes for Android O however...
What do you think?
Hii @Giuskiller
I think it will be supported
Just read the link in the post above yours..
I got a private message about the partnership with XDA
And the promise to support our phone with source code and more
Just read it in the link
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-8/how-to/huawei-partnership-xda-news-afterall-t3607546
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Hii @Giuskiller
I think it will be supported
Just read the link in the post above yours..
I got a private message about the partnership with XDA
And the promise to support our phone with source code and more
Just read it in the link
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-8/how-to/huawei-partnership-xda-news-afterall-t3607546
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Hi, i was talking about official updates, not XDA related. However, nice to hear that
SolarisSixth said:
No, I'm not happy.
I didn't buy this phone because of any xda partnership. I only found out about it after. Great!
I bought it because I liked Huawei devices, and despite EMUI being a pain sometimes, it had a lot of features that I did like.
What I did not expect was the endless amount of bugs and issues.
And now, I don't mind a few, it happens. I'm even happy we got an update to 7.0, even if they should have given us 7.1.
What I don't like is going MONTHS without a dime big patch.
Not to mention, due to "low sales", they're going to be pulling out of the US, so all of us will lose all support for our devices.
So no, forget it. I'm voting with my wallet and not buying another Huawei.
And you're right, everyone does say that. But I don't buy Samsung because of their terrible software and bloat. I don't buy LGs because of their bootlooping, and now I won't buy Huawei because of their piss poor support.
It's not about finding the "perfect phone" it's about finding a company that cares at least a little bit in fixing their bugs and meeting their commitments.
Which Huawei clearly isn't doing.
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Honor is not pulling out of the US market and this has been confirmed by them. Can u please specify from where u got the information that they r leaving the US market?
Oh and they completely ignored my second question ?
Sent from my Honor 8 using XDA Labs
?? Looks cool
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzGdGHHs0zdxdGZaR3FLcG92cTQ/view?usp=sharing
fingerprint sensor at back another disappointment... op can never get it right
http://geeksnipper.com/oneplus-5t-will-launched-november-20th/6752/
More real estate for screen so FP goes to the back. Trending way for most new phones.
Least this one will come with Oreo and hopefully they give it 2 OS update cycles, unlike the screwjob we got with the 3t
qbanlinxx said:
Least this one will come with Oreo and hopefully they give it 2 OS update cycles, unlike the screwjob we got with the 3t
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Screwjob? The OnePlus 3T came with Android 6.0.1, was updated to Android 7.x, and now Android 8.0 is on beta channel.
6.0.1 -> 7.x -> 8.0
That makes two update cycles.
casual_kikoo said:
Screwjob? The OnePlus 3T came with Android 6.0.1, was updated to Android 7.x, and now Android 8.0 is on beta channel.
6.0.1 -> 7.x -> 8.0
That makes two update cycles.
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Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..
oTeMpLo said:
fingerprint sensor at back another disappointment... op can never get it right
http://geeksnipper.com/oneplus-5t-will-launched-november-20th/6752/
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if this is real, i have to disagree!
before the OP3t i used a nexus 5x, and i quite like the back placement of the fingerprint scanner!
qbanlinxx said:
Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..
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You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted
Hmmm, I'm becoming more of the opinion that my 3T is too big.
I miss having a smaller, 5" say phone.
Bigger screen/same footprint doesn't interest me at all.
There's really nothing on the market that grabs my attention and makes me want to buy it...
With the release of the Oneplus 5T incoming, I'm left questioning the longevity of my Oneplus 3T. You see, my issue is that just a few days back I got pushed around a shopping mall and my phone dropped face first from around chest height. The phone is now having 30% of its screen cracked from the bottom right. Thankfully all the functions still work but looking at the screen is still a pain. My only options are to pay about $120 to buy a replacement screen and have it shipped to my home country (in the middle east) and look for a shop that'll replace and hopefully not damage the device. My only other option is to get a oneplus 5T or use this phone as is until the oneplus 6 comes out and buy that. According to how I buy things, I like to keep my phone for atleast 2 years before I change to a new one, so far it has been only 11 months. So what would you, the community, recommend me to do now that we know that Oneplus will no longer be updating the 3T? Thank you for the advice
RASTAVIPER said:
You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted
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Indeed facts are facts and it is what it is. Yes it is OnePlus fault it shipped with 6.0.1, I didn't make that decision.
endursa said:
if this is real, i have to disagree!
before the OP3t i used a nexus 5x, and i quite like the back placement of the fingerprint scanner!
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Same opinion:good:
But I see no reason to buy the 5T. I'm very happy with my 3T and there will be soon the Oneplus 6
bilal.malik said:
With the release of the Oneplus 5T incoming, I'm left questioning the longevity of my Oneplus 3T. You see, my issue is that just a few days back I got pushed around a shopping mall and my phone dropped face first from around chest height. The phone is now having 30% of its screen cracked from the bottom right. Thankfully all the functions still work but looking at the screen is still a pain. My only options are to pay about $120 to buy a replacement screen and have it shipped to my home country (in the middle east) and look for a shop that'll replace and hopefully not damage the device. My only other option is to get a oneplus 5T or use this phone as is until the oneplus 6 comes out and buy that. According to how I buy things, I like to keep my phone for atleast 2 years before I change to a new one, so far it has been only 11 months. So what would you, the community, recommend me to do now that we know that Oneplus will no longer be updating the 3T? Thank you for the advice
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I switched to Sultan XDA lineage OS. currently running 10/22/17 build with flashed 4.5.1 modem. In the USA on Mint, this is a rock solid ROM which fixed my GPS issues and has VOLTE. wifi calling is disabled. I am not going back to OOS (4.5.0 was the last version on my 3T A3000). Maybe this information will help you make a decision.
qbanlinxx said:
Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..
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Yeah. 8.0 means that we got a year of OS support. It shoulder been more.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3000 using XDA-Developers Legacy app
RASTAVIPER said:
You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted
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The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".
devlamania said:
The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".
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Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted
RASTAVIPER said:
Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
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What could be the reason behind that ?
devlamania said:
The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".
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It's sad when you're supporting Apple for having Software Support for their devices >5 Years old, but call Android users "sheep", when you have fanboys supporting Apple for new phones that are similar in design and internal specs [Except the IP8/8+/X], but mark my words, the next few iPhones will be a repeat in all what we like about the recent Apple phones.
As per my knowledge of the definition of Sheep: People who fall in line for repeated and fake ideas without having any reason as to why they're following.
And in all my time of using Android devices, any flagship line of devices have never been repeated in specs and design, unlike *cough* iPhone *cough*. An example : iPhone SE
Sure, OEM's may not support Android devices for long, but for a flagship device, there will always be Custom ROM's. Hell, even my Galaxy S3 has Oreo/Nougat ROM's.
As RASTAVIPER said;
RASTAVIPER said:
Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted
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And continuing on his reply, you don't buy an Android for the repeated OEM updates, you buy it for the community support and the Open Source Features of Android, which allow anyone to build on it.
Want all the updates that Apple provides to their phones? Don't buy a budget device like the 5T for 500$ approx. Go buy an iPhone for double the price if you're all about the OEM support.
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It's sad when you're supporting Apple for having Software Support for their devices >5 Years old, but call Android users "sheep", when you have fanboys supporting Apple for new phones that are similar in design and internal specs [Except the IP8/8+/X], but mark my words, the next few iPhones will be a repeat in all what we like about the recent Apple phones.
As per my knowledge of the definition of Sheep: People who fall in line for repeated and fake ideas without having any reason as to why they're following.
And in all my time of using Android devices, any flagship line of devices have never been repeated in specs and design, unlike *cough* iPhone *cough*. An example : iPhone SE
Sure, OEM's may not support Android devices for long, but for a flagship device, there will always be Custom ROM's. Hell, even my Galaxy S3 has Oreo/Nougat ROM's.
As RASTAVIPER said;
And continuing on his reply, you don't buy an Android for the repeated OEM updates, you buy it for the community support and the Open Source Features of Android, which allow anyone to build on it.
Want all the updates that Apple provides to their phones? Don't buy a budget device like the 5T for 500$ approx. Go buy an iPhone for double the price if you're all about the OEM support.
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I'm an apple fanboy ? Holy cow, I didn't know that myself. Thanks for clarifying o greatest of all. Lol.
If you say that people's dedication towards nation in North Korea is awesome doesn't make you a NK fanboy. If you can't say what's good for what it is, then shame on you and shame on you for trying to shut me from saying that.
I'm tired of you people tagging - oh he's a Nvidia fanboy, oh he's an amd fanboy. I'm a consumer. A "consumer".
And here you go spitting venom about this and that aspect of apple and Android. Yo, I'm talking about software support here !! I'm not taking side of apple or android which your blockhead clearly missed out. But that's okay. It's your life, it's your money and it's your choice.
But what really is interesting is, I spoke about apple being good about software updates and you lost your mind !! And readily assumed me to be an apple user in xda. That's cool ... That's cool. A sheep is a sheep. Whether it's an android user or apple. Anyway, good day to you.
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I'm an apple fanboy ? Holy cow, I didn't know that myself. Thanks for clarifying o greatest of all. Lol.
If you say that people's dedication towards nation in North Korea is awesome doesn't make you a NK fanboy. If you can't say what's good for what it is, then shame on you and shame on you for trying to shut me from saying that.
I'm tired of you people tagging - oh he's a Nvidia fanboy, oh he's an amd fanboy. I'm a consumer. A "consumer".
And here you go spitting venom about this and that aspect of apple and Android. Yo, I'm talking about software support here !! I'm not taking side of apple or android which your blockhead clearly missed out. But that's okay. It's your life, it's your money and it's your choice.
But what really is interesting is, I spoke about apple being good about software updates and you lost your mind !! And readily assumed me to be an apple user in xda. That's cool ... That's cool. A sheep is a sheep. Whether it's an android user or apple. Anyway, good day to you.
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I'd like you to re-read my reply, and check where I called you an Apple fanboy or even an Apple user. I clearly stated that you calling Android users sheep is funny when Apple fanboys are sheep for a repeated device. I have NOT called you an Apple fanboy nor have I called you an Apple product consumer. Please do go re-read if you still think so.
Throwing insults around like a child? Do go on, because I never "spat venom" at any clarification or any idea you stated, and I did not "lose my mind", I was speaking in a calm and cool way, unlike you who had the audacity to insult me, when I didn't even say anything to offend you in the first place. If you misread or misunderstood my reply, that's not my problem, it's your problem.
Well, if you speak and think like this on any forum, no wonder you're disappointed how the community helps you or treats you. You don't even have your facts straight yet, OEM's don't support their devices readily with the newest OS updates, but they do update even their older devices with important security updates, I.E.: OnePlus rolling out the KRACK vulnerability fix to the OP2.
And frankly speaking, I deem it viable for Apple to release updates for their older devices, when you spend an absurd amount on even an older device. Overly expensive=Good after sales support and OTA's
But you want a budget flagship killer company(OnePlus) to;
1. Make powerful devices that are at budget prices
2. Support the device and older devices for a time period of 5 years.
3. Keep releasing newer and newer devices with updated hardware, while doing #2
You think that all the staff, manufacturing and running costs run on Air, but they got to keep their lights running. If it's a company like Apple who price their devices at absurd prices and have no price depreciation for a couple of years, yes they should give OTA's for a long time.
You don't take anything into consideration, but only the fact that it needs to keep you happy and at a low price.
Quoting @RASTAVIPER ; Go buy an iPhone, because Android OEM's release OTA's for the time period of that device. When they've completed their OTA stages for the flagship, we have an amazing community to support each other, unlike Apple who keep their devices locked down, so they HAVE to give OS updates.
Keep throwing childish insults at anyone who argues with you on XDA or any other forum, and see if anyone will be happy to help you.
Also, if it didn't get through to you, I did not call you an Apple fanboy, and neither did I involve anything so personally condemning for you to insult me.
Definition of sheeple (Sheep of Apple)
informal
: people who are docile, compliant, or easily influenced
Seriously so much false flag in this thread its insane... Android phones would have 5 year updates if people would not want a "new" phone every six months. Simple
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I'm beginning to feel completely misled about the Android 1 program. December and still no Oreo, I was thinking of a Pure Android with instant first in line updates to the latest software, similar to the Nexus and Pixel phones. My friend with an old One plus 3 received Oreo in Early November.
Also, this is not pure android. It's preloaded with Miu junkware.
Of particular interest is the feedback hub app. Is this a Google or Miu App? I thought the latter and there is no way to remove it from the phone.
I Bought this for the pure android experience and instant updates, but there are better tech/price handsets out there in this price range with decent battery and better screen/chips.
New buyers proceed with a little caution.
What other devices with Pure Android, instant first in line updates and better tech/price handsets at this price range with decent battery and better screen/chips are you reffering to?
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1. Xiaomi promised Oreo by the end of the year. The beta has already rolled out. And will soon be released as promised. I don't see how that's a problem.
2. There's literally no junk in this phone I don't know what you're talking about.. miremote? How else you're gonna use that IR blaster. And micamera app because stock also camera doesn't support xiaomi's dual camera setup. And finally mi feedback.. you should be grateful that they are trying to listen to their customers..
3. OnePlus 3 is also double the price of mi A1. You can't expect flagship phone with on a potato price.
4. Kindly list those phones with better tech screen and 'chips' (lays?) Closest phone with similar spec is Moto g5s plus which costs ₹2000 more than A1. Others don't even have specs remotely close to this one and costs close to ₹20000.
I was was referring to phones that do not have pure Android.
Android One on the Mi A1 is not pure Android either.
My point is you may as well buy another phone because this is not a true pure Android experience. Don't be fooled.
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1. Xiaomi promised Oreo by the end of the year. The beta has already rolled out. And will soon be released as promised. I don't see how that's a problem.
2. There's literally no junk in this phone I don't know what you're talking about.. miremote? How else you're gonna use that IR blaster. And micamera app because stock also camera doesn't support xiaomi's dual camera setup. And finally mi feedback.. you should be grateful that they are trying to listen to their customers..
3. OnePlus 3 is also double the price of mi A1. You can't expect flagship phone with on a potato price.
4. Kindly list those phones with better tech screen and 'chips' (lays?) Closest phone with similar spec is Moto g5s plus which costs ₹2000 more than A1. Others don't even have specs remotely close to this one and costs close to ₹20000.
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You really expose yourself here as a deluded fanboy. My point is the one plus 3 does not have pure android but was updated months ago. Unremovable feedback app points to doctored software and therefore is not pure. THIS IS NOT A PURE ANDROID PHONE. FACT.
There are plenty of better spec Chinese built phones in this range. Do yourself a favour and have a quick browse on gearbest. I know you want to protect your investment by convincing yourself it's great but it really isn't. IR blaster is virtually useless in the modern world and is a cheap replacement for lack of NFC.
This IS pure Android. Having 1 or 2 pre-installed apps doesn't mean it's not pure Android. Name one phone with pure Android except nexus and pixel.
You mean I should rather buy a phone with half hd screen, an older SoC with a single camera which costs more than a1? Even if we consider for a second that it's not pure Android in A1 ( which it is).. its still a great phone and no other phone comes close to this phone in terms of price/spec ratio.
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This IS pure Android. Having 1 or 2 pre-installed apps doesn't mean it's not pure Android. Name one phone with pure Android except nexus and pixel.
You mean I should rather buy a phone with half hd screen, an older SoC with a single camera which costs more than a1? Even if we consider for a second that it's not pure Android in A1 ( which it is).. its still a great phone and no other phone comes close to this phone in terms of price/spec ratio.
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Your really not getting this are you.
PURE.
The camera is rubbish. There are much better single cameras out there. The 'optical zoom' is a joke.
Yes it is still a good phone but the chip is very old now and there are plenty of other options.
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You really expose yourself here as a deluded fanboy. My point is the one plus 3 does not have pure android but was updated months ago. Unremovable feedback app points to doctored software and therefore is not pure. THIS IS NOT A PURE ANDROID PHONE. FACT.
There are plenty of better spec Chinese built phones in this range. Do yourself a favour and have a quick browse on gearbest. I know you want to protect your investment by convincing yourself it's great but it really isn't. IR blaster is virtually useless in the modern world and is a cheap replacement for lack of NFC.
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My argument still stands.. they promised Oreo BY THE END OF THE YEAR. Is it January yet? It's not like you got cheated or something.
The is just installed as system app it doesn't mean the OS itself is doctored.. please go and learn about Android before spreading your ignorance.
So you would rather buy a Chinese trash phone with cr*p mediatek processors with no guarantee on its quality than this phone which comes from a decent company.
Lastly NFC is just novelty in the region where A1 is supposed to be sold. Unlike IR blaster which many people make use of.
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Your really not getting this are you.
PURE.
The camera is rubbish. There are much better single cameras out there. The 'optical zoom' is a joke.
Yes it is still a good phone but the chip is very old now and there are plenty of other options.
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Camera is rubbish? Are you high on something?
You are constantly saying there are plenty other options .. kindly name those options or we're done here..
Have a good day.
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My argument still stands.. they promised Oreo BY THE END OF THE YEAR. Is it January yet? It's not like you got cheated or something.
The is just installed as system app it doesn't mean the OS itself is doctored.. please go and learn about Android
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If it's installed on the system and you cannot remove it, then it is considered bloatware and the operating system has been doctored.
It is not a pure Android phone. I'm sure there is a thread already that exposes this project as a joint Xiaomi/Google project but run by Xiaomi. Your right about one thing...I should have done a little research into the so called Android One project.
Plenty of >Snapdragon chip phones out there in this price bracket I know it and so do you so stop pretending. And don't talk about power efficiency, that's why you pack a 4000+ battery!
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I'm beginning to feel completely misled about the Android 1 program. December and still no Oreo, I was thinking of a Pure Android with instant first in line updates to the latest software, similar to the Nexus and Pixel phones. My friend with an old One plus 3 received Oreo in Early November.
Also, this is not pure android. It's preloaded with Miu junkware.
Of particular interest is the feedback hub app. Is this a Google or Miu App? I thought the latter and there is no way to remove it from the phone.
I Bought this for the pure android experience and instant updates, but there are better tech/price handsets out there in this price range with decent battery and better screen/chips.
New buyers proceed with a little caution.
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You obviously aren't satisfied with the choice you made, so..sell the phone, buy "better phone in this price range", be happy. It's really as simple as that.
If you really believe that you have been lied to by Xiaomi, there are legal options which you can take. Search Google for legal services in your area, they'll be happy to discuss this point with you.
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Camera is rubbish? Are you high on something?
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Yes, it's really bad. The front facing camera is terrible and the pixelation on the rear is really bad. Forget about night time. And I was coming from a Nexus 5.
Which phone did you own previously?
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You obviously aren't satisfied with the choice you made, so..sell the phone, buy "better phone in this price range", be happy. It's really as simple as that.
If you really believe that you have been lied to by Xiaomi, there are legal options which you can take. Search Google for legal services in your area, they'll be happy to discuss this point with you.
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Another bitter poster who is protecting his investment furiously rather than admitting it's shortcomings.
I did not say I had been lied to and I am fully aware of how to use Google search. But if you really think this matter requires me to seek legal assistance you really are a bit special.
What I am freely admitting is that I should have done more research on the Android One project as it is not what I thought it was. My bad and I learn from my mistakes.
Use a nexus device & u can instantly understand the difference.. Android one programs supposed to have faster updates & be more stable.. A1 is just a half hearted effort from Mi.. Bugs, bugs and more bugs.. Awesome hardware, but crap software.. And android one program is supposed to have os updates pushed by Google..
If u have used a nexus phone, u 'll know how soon they address bugs.. I used Nexus 5 & the first version of kitkat had a vdo recording problem.. It was addressed in just a matter of days.. The contact linking issue has not been addressed even after four or five updates..
That being said if it was just marketed as a Mi phone with Stock os it wud have been alright.. Its value for money.. But it doesnt do justice to the android one tag..
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That being said if it was just marketed as a Mi phone with Stock os it wud have been alright.. Its value for money.. But it doesnt do justice to the android one tag..
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This is what I thought I had bought into. A Mi phone with stock OS.
I was mistaken and should haved looked a little deeper into it. As you said before, this is not even close to a Nexus/stock android experience.
@pow01 : ha ha.. i thought i was the only one coming from nexus 5.. oreo feedback seems to be good.. lets wait & see..
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This forum is full of ****ing retards. They promised Ored by END OF THE YEAR and its still ****ing december and u STILL ****ING COMPLAIN. And just because it has 2 Xiaomi apps doesn't mean its not stock Android. Bloody fools. You complain about fcking everything.
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Bro.. Use a nexus device & u'll know the difference.. its not just about oreo.. the stutters, microlags, freezes, contact linking issue.. its frustrating.. if u have experienced android at its purest, u'd b swearing at Mi right now.. Nexus in marshmallow is still loads better than A1 with nougat..
For nexus fans, when Mi announced the Android one program it was a dream come true.. Mi is known for its vfm hardware.. Stock google os should be flying on this device.. not micro stuttering like on A1..
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This forum is full of ****ing retards. They promised Ored by END OF THE YEAR and its still ****ing december and u STILL ****ING COMPLAIN. And just because it has 2 Xiaomi apps doesn't mean its not stock Android. Bloody fools. You complain about fcking everything.
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Bro.. Use a nexus device & u'll know the difference.. its not just about oreo.. the stutters, microlags, freezes, contact linking issue.. its frustrating.. if u have experienced android at its purest, u'd b swearing at Mi right now.. Nexus in marshmallow is still loads better than A1 with nougat..
For nexus fans, when Mi announced the Android one program it was a dream come true.. Mi is known for its vfm hardware.. Stock google os should be flying on this device.. not micro stuttering like on A1..
I came from Nexus 5X and yes, I feel the difference. I have snappier phone which keeps more apps in memory without closing them immediately during multitasking, I'm not experiencing unfinished HDR photos now, etc... I still receive monthly security updates and actually am happy that my device is not the very first one receiving major OS upgrade, as it often breaks many things (TWRP, root, not updated apps). So I'll rather wait couple of weeks or months until all developers catch up and I can continue using my device without hiccups.
I bought phones which I wasn't happy with in the past and guess what, I sold them and purchased something else. But if you feel that posting on forums that you made a mistake is the right way how to solve your problem..well.. be my guest, though not sure how is it supposed to help others.
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I came from Nexus 5X and yes, I feel the difference. I have snappier phone which keeps more apps in memory without closing them immediately during multitasking, I'm not experiencing unfinished HDR photos now, etc... I still receive monthly security updates and actually am happy that my device is not the very first one receiving major OS upgrade, as it often breaks many things (TWRP, root, not updated apps). So I'll rather wait couple of weeks or months until all developers catch up and I can continue using my device without hiccups.
I bought phones which I wasn't happy with in the past and guess what, I sold them and purchased something else. But if you feel that posting on forums that you made a mistake is the right way how to solve your problem..well.. be my guest, though not sure how is it supposed to help others.
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The camera on my Nexus 5 was better than the Mi A1 producing far superior images. I'm not looking to solve my problem I'm just happy to make others aware this is not a stock android experience. What I'm posting is valuable feedback for those thinking about buying one of these devices.
The bottom line is everything has to run through Beijing first before being released rather than coming straight from San Francisco.
I am happy with the phone and VFM (but it's no Nexus)
I am not happy with the way Xiaomi is executing Android One.
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Your really not getting this are you.
PURE.
The camera is rubbish. There are much better single cameras out there. The 'optical zoom' is a joke.
Yes it is still a good phone but the chip is very old now and there are plenty of other options.
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The "very old" chip is based on 14 nm technology, how are you calling it old? Sure, its not the most cutting edge, but it fares well when it comes to daily usage.
And yeah, having other camera apps surely would help. I think Mi camera app sharpens up the image a bit more.
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Bro.. Use a nexus device & u'll know the difference.. its not just about oreo.. the stutters, microlags, freezes, contact linking issue.. its frustrating.. if u have experienced android at its purest, u'd b swearing at Mi right now.. Nexus in marshmallow is still loads better than A1 with nougat..
For nexus fans, when Mi announced the Android one program it was a dream come true.. Mi is known for its vfm hardware.. Stock google os should be flying on this device.. not micro stuttering like on A1..
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You are right. I tried using Google Live Wallpaper on my A1, and it made the whole phone slow! Opening app drawer/jumping to home page, etc felt slower and laggy.
Funny thing is, I was using the same wallpaper on my Redmi 2s. It ran on that phone PERFECTLY FINE!!! No lags, no stutters, and no loss in battery life!! Sure, Redmi 2s has a 720p screen, and I could tell that the animations set to a lower resolution, but I'm disappointed that Mi A1 stutters with such beautiful wallpapers.
Get yo **** together, Xiaomi. Give Mi A1 the Android it deserves.
And to people who are *****ing that it isn't the stockest stockesty android, calm yo tits. It comes very close to Nexus levels stock, save a few apps. But still wish they had included Night Light tho.
Ah, now I see. This explains pretty much everything: "I'm not looking to solve my problem"
"this is not a stock android experience", which is only your opinion. As far I see this is stock android with very similar experience to Nexus devices with the same or better user experience. Obviously we don't have to agree with each other, but as you certainly won't accept another opinion than yours and are not able to discuss politely..so.. Have fun bashing Xiaomi and Google with your utterly useful posts (oh sorry, "valuable feedback" as you call it ).