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Nexus One. We're being phased out, and quickly.

NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore. Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis. I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that, and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users. Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special. I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
Simply, I absolutely LOVE my Nexus One, but i feel like it is not getting the support it deserves, and i DO NOT want this beautiful piece of technology to be obsolete by september. i hope you guys are with me on this, because i think we all know that this phone could easily be something BETTER than what it is now. and it SHOULD be able to compete with any phone within a year from now because it's Google's baby. GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money. Because, even though i feel like this is the best phone i've ever had, 1) i feel like it'll be obsolete in a few months and 2) im starting to feel like i wasted my money.
long live nexus

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The Nexus one will be the standard by which all android phones are measured for at-least another year.
Keeping everything pure AOSP is a huge plus IMO.
Official updates are slow, but code is being committed to the repository regularly and makes it on to the custom ROMS very quickly.
There is no phone out there with better features and community support than the one you have
There is no other phone on google.com/phone... so we are still the only child.

Google is trying to catch up the rest of the android world to 2.1
VZ cut them off it seems from the N1 and instead VZ gets another great Android handset.
Froyo has some much needed upgrades and will help (in theory) android solidify itself by stabilizing the platform for devs.
JIT/Flash/Market /Open GL / market upgrades are on there way if you believe the rumors.
What is it you feel is being phased out ?
Only about 500k users have an N1. Thats a miniscule amount.
Even with that we have two great devs putting out some very stable ROMS. Unlike the past N1 came with so many damn features out of box that we didnt need ROMs and Apps to add the 101 missing features.
Listen I am still up in Googles rectum about alot of features that need to be fixed/enhanced on Android. We all knew N1 was the first of the snapdragons. The others are storming in blasting taking attention away from us...but theyre all on the same team....they all bleed green =-)
Sure Id love to be slapping on Sense widgets , Moto Blur social network apps , etc...but thats up to us as a community to do it (if ever technically possible).
Anyways feel good about your purchase. You still have the best available phone on the market and will until the EVO/Iphone4G drop. And even then..youd still be top 3 at worst.

There isn't much development because there isn't much to do. The Nexus has the latest firmware and top specs. Of announced phones only the Evo and Galaxy S have significantly better specs everything else is just a SLIGHTLY upgraded Nexus. No porting apps or firmwares are needed. The only thing to really do is optimize what we have (cyanogen is doing that) and port sense UI (Paul is doing that). I'm happy with my Nexus .....for now hehe

zach I can understand the complaints about some of the nagging issues the phone has had (3G, purple tint etc.) but two things we have to realize: A majority of the users don't experience these problems, and in no way is our phone going to be obsolete anytime soon.
Here is a post I made regarding the Incredible screen, I think it's relevant here:
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Here's my take:
Would I like to have this screen in my Nexus? Yea it would have been a nice feature. Do I need this screen? No, not in the slightest.. Not yet anyways. The only apps that would require a screen like that are games, and I don't play the type of games on my phone that would require axis-crossing multitouch. I know some people do, and I can respect that but I don't, hence why I don't care about this right now.
Frankly, if you're playing those kinds of games anyways, just get an iPhone (and I'm not saying that in a bad way). iPhone is unmatched when it comes to gameplay and plus you can get them all for free if you jailbreak. Yea The Incredible has a capable screen, but do you know long it's going to take Android to catch up to Apple when it comes to game quality?? Android just got games like Racing Thunder 2 and Homerun Battle 3D while you can play Street Fighter 4 and freaking Grand Theft Auto on the iPhone! It's no competition.. if you want to game, you don't have the right phone.
By the time Android actually starts developing games and apps that can take advantage of the axis crossing MT, The Incredible will be "obsolete" (as some of you like to put it) so no need for everyone to get their panties in a bunch
With most things I normally have a realist perspective and am usually the first to 'hate' on something when its deserved, but alot of you guys are just a bunch of downers. The Incredible is a great phone as is the Nexus, everyone should just appreciate what they have! If you keep chasing the newest technology (no matter how impractical it is) you will never be satisfied!
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
Regarding the selection of ROMS.. Guys, right now we have the top of the line OS on our phones.. 2.1 is the standard, most of the G1/Magic ROMS are trying to replicate what we already have stock. Believe me, once Froyo and Android 3.0 come out the devs will be right on it and we'll get awesome ports. We have great developers who will make sure our phones have the newest software on our devices.
And if worst comes to worst and some of you decide to sell your Nexus this summer, it will have excellent resale value.

Don't worry, This is the phone Google are actively giving to developers. We'll be here for a while to come yet.

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I most definetely do not believe the nexus one will be phased out anytime soon, actually i will be ordering one tonight as a matter of fact. yes we may not have the best touch screens or the greatest rom develipment, but that is because we are still number one There are no other builds to even create until phones of this caliber runnng other os are on the scene. And for the touch screen issue, whe the time comes to where we truely need multitouch for games on the market out nexus's WILL be outdated, or there WILL be a fix for this, i mean geez Cyanogen has nearly finished a fully working Eclair for the g1 already, all i see is hope and excitment for the future of this device, the market also needs some serious time to catch up to apples games (please dont get upset with this, its true) The only thing i can see actually outdating our phones are dual processors capable of OVER 1.5 otherwise i dont believe they will be extinct, not even the 1.3 samsung will hurt the nexus i think considering we can be oc'ed to 1.3 anyways i do believe, or at least close

I don't think that we're being phased out, not until another year. Each phone that comes in the market gets compared to Nexus One.
As far as the development is concerned, its very satisfactory. Comparing the development scene between N1 an iPhone, iPhone sold nearly 50x the units of N1 sold. So most app developers have their focus on iPhone as it stands them a better chance of making more money..... But still development on N1 is much better.....

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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
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I’m beginning to think some people have never bought a phone before, or a computer for that matter.
Did people expect the N1 to the absolute top spec phone forever? Seriously its still amazing compared to most, and measures up nicely in all significant ways to these new phones it keeps getting compared to. Stop trying to bury it before its even close to dead.
There is always something newer coming. No exceptions. There are phones in development now that will top the Evo and Incredible. At some point you have to buy something or you’ll wait forever.
The N1 is Google’s flag ship phone. I bought it for that reason. If Google is developing something cool (like FroYo!) its pretty much guaranteed to come to us first. Its not being phased out. I think there are exciting things to come…

You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
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NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory
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How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
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in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore.
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THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
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Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis.
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As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
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I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that
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Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
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and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
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Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special.
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If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
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I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
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Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.

I don't buy it. I don't like the multitouch sensor they used for the phone, and I think the scrolling could be smoother, but what do you really expect from Google? Short of them sending out free hardware upgrades, what are you really looking for to not feel phased out?
The Nexus One is a great phone, at least for me. Even with the multitouch issues, I'm able to pull off running jumps when I play Super Mario World and the like. And that issue is allegedly being worked on with 2.2. If they flat out said the Nexus One wasn't getting 2.2 then you could make the claim of the Nexus One being phased out.
As far as network issues go, I have zero problems with my AT&T Nexus One and 3G. I live in the DC Metro area, for what it's worth. Most problems I've heard from people are all on T-Mobile. Who's to say the problem isn't on T-Mobile's side instead of Google's? Everyone blames AT&T's network for the iPhone's network issues, but it's pretty clear that the radio in the iPhone is garbage.
We live in a time where there are 1ghz processors in handheld devices. Technology is advancing so fast. It's always going to hurt when your $500+ dollar device isn't the best around anymore, but do you really want forward progress to slow down so you feel like you have the best phone longer?
I think you're being overly paranoid, if you ask me. So long as you love the phone, what do you care?

danguyf said:
You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
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I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!

You can't compare the modding/dev community of the N1 to the iPhone anyways.
The iphone has FAR more units out there, and the Apple cult is still buying. The iPhone also has more that is needed as far as mods to make it a nice OS.
The iPhone also runs native binaries, so there seem to be a lot more standard systems written for it, or so I was told in my Q&A thread. The iPhone has full apt packaging system, full set of GNU tools, full OpenSSH suite, etc.
The iPhone also has a lot more core teams of dedicated modders, while Android seems to have 1-2, at least for the N1. This is, again, I think due to the fact that the iPhone needs more mods to make it a good OS.

Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.

Not even boobs can rescue the OP's post.

martin0285 said:
I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
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Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
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I agree wholeheartedly with both of you.

zachthemaster said:
NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete.
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Can you link these posts?
How is the N1 becoming obsolete? What are your reasons? I have yet to see any indication of this.
updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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What kind of crap is this? Yes, the N1 has received 1 update. Which is 1 more than MANY other Android phones in YEARS.
Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly.
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Here's the Android source code:
http://android.git.kernel.org/
Get to work!
GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money
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Give more WHAT?

Enjoy the wave for as long as it lasts... which will be a long time
Tech wise phones go obsolete much faster than a PC ever would for the simple fact that you are in a closed environment. You can't upgrade the RAM, graphics or CPU on one of these things so shelf life is in terms of months not years. But that's not to say that support will go away for the N1 any time soon. OP is just acknowledging/exhibiting the mid-life crisis that the N1 is in currently. It's still the flagship product and a benchmark for every phone slated to be released this year. Next year may be different--hell I'm sure it will be--but for now, we're good and there's enough power that it'll still be viable 2 years from now. If you need a current tangible example, just look at how many G1's there are out there and how long that phone has been out.
I came from the dismally dysfunctional land of the Epix from Samsung where between them and AT&T, they couldn't figure out who was suppose to be doing the obligatory reach-around. With the N1 there are no more worries about the carrier holding up the updates for a fix to a major problem introduced by another fix almost a year prior for an infantile notification issue., there are no more issues with contractual obilgations to corporate partnerships (Yahoo) with draconian imposed restrictions to enforce it(backflip) and mostly there's no more waiting for the mfg to finally update their license to a newer version OS if they even bother going that route to begin with. Open architecture, open software and an infinite amount of potential for old and new phones is why I'm here and I'm sure a bunch of others are too.
So to anyone else reading this and especially to Sprint customers that are waiting for the N1, catch the wave however you want(N1, Evo, etc) but enjoy it for what it is--a long great ride and loads of fun--cowabunga!

Did somebody say boobs? Er, was I supposed to get something else out of this?

What's your conception of Oneplus as a company after 1 yr 1 mo?

How do you feel about the company after all this time? Has any of the controversies changed your perception of the company? Would you buy its products in the future? Etc...
For me the company isn't as good as it was in the past when i bought the OPO. The controversies have changed my perception of the company by a lot. They have opened up a whole lot about the company that their PR Team can't cover up. The most sad thing I've found is that OP doesn't want to address the problems and even if they do they don't want to solve it. Its an amateur move to think that there's an easy way out. For instance (agree with me or not) OxygenOS was a screw up after all that hype. But they didn't address the problem they just kept hyping it more and more. For fixing of the problem, there is no update for OxygenOS.. It's like the project is dead. But let's not about that.
For the future products, I will look forward to buy them but the doubt a person has before buying something has definitely increased from when i bought the OPO

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How do you feel about the company after all this time? Has any of the controversies changed your perception of the company? Would you buy its products in the future? Etc...
For me the company isn't as good as it was in the past when i bought the OPO. The controversies have changed my perception of the company by a lot. They have opened up a whole lot about the company that their PR Team can't cover up. The most sad thing I've found is that OP doesn't want to address the problems and even if they do they don't want to solve it. Its an amateur move to think that there's an easy way out. For instance (agree with me or not) OxygenOS was a screw up after all that hype. But they didn't address the problem they just kept hyping it more and more. For fixing of the problem, there is no update for OxygenOS.. It's like the project is dead. But let's not about that.
For the future products, I will look forward to buy them but the doubt a person has before buying something has definitely increased from when i bought the OPO
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How was Oxygen a screw up? Do you mean the extended delays? If so I agree completely, they made a huge mistake in continually promising release dates that they couldn't make. As far as updates go, it's been less than two months since release. Have a look at all the other OEM release schedules and it's pretty clear that updates aren't usually very frequent. Either way I'd still consider buying another OnePlus product, but my decision would hinge on what OS was shipped with the product.
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How was Oxygen a screw up? Do you mean the extended delays? If so I agree completely, they made a huge mistake in continually promising release dates that they couldn't make. As far as updates go, it's been less than two months since release. Have a look at all the other OEM release schedules and it's pretty clear that updates aren't usually very frequent. Either way I'd still consider buying another OnePlus product, but my decision would hinge on what OS was shipped with the product.
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Its not about the OS at all...Mentioning the OS was just for an instance and it was the first thing that came to my mind...I can google the other things if you want..give you a complete;y detailed list with the highest crystal purity you have ever seen :silly:
and i understand that it takes to roll out updates...But what is the overhyped PA/O2OS team doing since the past couple of months?

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Its not about the OS at all...Mentioning the OS was just for an instance and it was the first thing that came to my mind...I can google the other things if you want..give you a complete;y detailed list with the highest crystal purity you have ever seen :silly:
and i understand that it takes to roll out updates...But what is the overhyped PA/O2OS team doing since the past couple of months?
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I get what you're saying, OnePlus have made quite a few mistakes. They're a young company though, that's not to excuse them exactly, but hopefully they actually learn from their errors and make a bigger effort in future.
In regards to Oxygen, it isn't PA, there's only one member of the Oxygen team that came from Paranoid Android. As far as it being over-hyped, I can only assume that you're saying you weren't overly pleased with the end product. But as I see it they delivered exactly what they promised; a close to stock Android experience. I've seen a lot of people complain that it lacks features that they're used to, but those features that they're missing aren't a part of stock Android and therefore shouldn't have been expected in the first place. If people want those kinds of features turn they need to turn to the one place that they're readily available; XDA, and custom ROMs. In saying that, I don't personally like Oxygen, because I like more features, so I use custom ROMs. But I was fully aware that Oxygen was being promoted as a stock-like experience so there's no reason to complain about that. The fact that I don't personally like it doesn't make it a bad product, it just means it's my own opinion, and I'm not arrogant enough to think that my opinion means that it's a bad OS, there are many people out there that love it.
What have the Oxygen team been doing? What has any development team been doing since their last update? Working on the OS (hopefully). The fact is we're not entitled to anything, it's an optional OS.
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I get what you're saying, OnePlus have made quite a few mistakes. They're a young company though, that's not to excuse them exactly, but hopefully they actually learn from their errors and make a bigger effort in future.
In regards to Oxygen, it isn't PA, there's only one member of the Oxygen team that came from Paranoid Android. As far as it being over-hyped, I can only assume that you're saying you weren't overly pleased with the end product. But as I see it they delivered exactly what they promised; a close to stock Android experience. I've seen a lot of people complain that it lacks features that they're used to, but those features that they're missing aren't a part of stock Android and therefore shouldn't have been expected in the first place. If people want those kinds of features turn they need to turn to the one place that they're readily available; XDA, and custom ROMs. In saying that, I don't personally like Oxygen, because I like more features, so I use custom ROMs. But I was fully aware that Oxygen was being promoted as a stock-like experience so there's no reason to complain about that. The fact that I don't personally like it doesn't make it a bad product, it just means it's my own opinion, and I'm not arrogant enough to think that my opinion means that it's a bad OS, there are many people out there that love it.
What have the Oxygen team been doing? What has any development team been doing since their last update? Working on the OS (hopefully). The fact is we're not entitled to anything, it's an optional OS.
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I don't know how this turned into a debate on n OxygenOS. But now since it has there are already too many ROMs which are near stock experience.. What's the use of one more? Also they never said they were going to release a ROM which was near stock rather they said it was going to be something great. There are already enough averages out there, no need for one more giving the stock experience.

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I don't know how this turned into a debate on n OxygenOS. But now since it has there are already too many ROMs which are near stock experience.. What's the use of one more? Also they never said they were going to release a ROM which was near stock rather they said it was going to be something great. There are already enough averages out there, no need for one more giving the stock experience.
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Natural progression of the conversation since that's where you started in your OP. What's the use? Choice. The fact that you don't like it doesn't mean others don't, you have your opinion and you're entitled to that, but your opinion doesn't dictate how others see the ROM. It's simple; if you don't like Oxygen just don't use it. We have literally dozens and dozens of ROMs available for this phone so you can have your pick.
There are plenty of people who want a near stock experience. And yes, they did promote it as that on numerous occasions. And it is great in many people's eyes, which brings me back to my previous point; the fact that you don't think it's great doesn't mean it isn't great for someone else. To each their own.
To say thread the ROM is pointless is akin to saying that any phone without a custom ROM on it (and running OEM firmware) is pointless. There are billions of those in the world. Custom ROMs are the minority. Plus, there are many ROMs right here on XDA that are a near stock experience, are they all pointless?
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Natural progression of the conversation since that's where you started in your OP. What's the use? Choice. The fact that you don't like it doesn't mean others don't, you have your opinion and you're entitled to that, but your opinion doesn't dictate how others see the ROM. It's simple; if you don't like Oxygen just don't use it. We have literally dozens and dozens of ROMs available for this phone so you can have your pick.
There are plenty of people who want a near stock experience. And yes, they did promote it as that on numerous occasions. And it is great in many people's eyes, which brings me back to my previous point; the fact that you don't think it's great doesn't mean it isn't great for someone else. To each their own.
To say thread the ROM is pointless is akin to saying that any phone without a custom ROM on it (and running OEM firmware) is pointless. There are billions of those in the world. Custom ROMs are the minority. Plus, there are many ROMs right here on XDA that are a near stock experience, are they all pointless?
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Is adding 1 to 100 pointless? Yup!

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Is adding 1 to 100 pointless? Yup!
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Alright, I can see this is a discussion that will go nowhere because you fully believe that your opinion is the only one in the world that matters, that your opinion is the only one in the world that is right, and that your opinion is fact and not just an opinion. No matter how many perfectly rational and valid points I put forward you're unable to open your mind to see past your own point of view. Good luck with that.

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Alright, I can see this is a discussion that will go nowhere because you fully believe that your opinion is the only one in the world that matters, that your opinion is the only one in the world that is right, and that your opinion is fact and not just an opinion. No matter how many perfectly rational and valid points I put forward you're unable to open your mind to see past your own point of view. Good luck with that.
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Yes you are right. OP's own conscience is not clear yet. He need to understand what exactly he want from the company. Oxygen OS was pure AOSP build. I don't think there is any ROM on XDA which is pure stock like Oxygen. So people who love AOSP ROM's will prefer oxygen. Other people have tons of ROMs to choose from.

lokesh.3440 said:
Yes you are right. OP's own conscience is not clear yet. He need to understand what exactly he want from the company. Oxygen OS was pure AOSP build. I don't think there is any ROM on XDA which is pure stock like Oxygen. So people who love AOSP ROM's will prefer oxygen. Other people have tons of ROMs to choose from.
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First of all i didn't come here to discuss about OxygenOS and conscience? Really?

Heisenberg said:
Alright, I can see this is a discussion that will go nowhere because you fully believe that your opinion is the only one in the world that matters, that your opinion is the only one in the world that is right, and that your opinion is fact and not just an opinion. No matter how many perfectly rational and valid points I put forward you're unable to open your mind to see past your own point of view. Good luck with that.
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I don't about my opinion and my ability to look beyond it but what i know from roaming around these forums is that its very easy to honey pot people. Its very easy to get their loyalty and to have them defend you at no matter what. Its really easy to stop them from taking out a moment and rationally thinking.

I personally think OnePlus is on the right track. I'd consider a phone from them again only if the value was similar. A phone with these specs at 360 today is still a decent deal. Regarding oxygen os, I'm one of the users that likes it pure asop base and then I use xposed to add the specific features I want. I view the sheer volume of choices as a huge value add for this phone and its ease to flash custom roms a huge benefit ensuring support from dev community for a while. Is there room for improvement? Absolutely but it's still high on my list of vendors to choose from when it's time to upgrade.

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First of all i didn't come here to discuss about OxygenOS and conscience? Really?
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Can't you see you are begging for updates of Oxygen in your first post. Now you are saying its not about Oxygen OS.

loving OPO the starting period... Now hating and waiting to sold my OPO and I will NEVER buy a product from them anymore.
From 1 month I've the display issue, with ghost/non responsive touch, no matter what ROM or FIX I apply....
I contact the assistance to change it in warranty, they told me that they can't repair 'cause it have some dents on the frame...
They continue to send me ROMS, links, zips with pre-writed forms, they never read one word from what i write them.
So, I've a VERY BAD opinion of them, and from now, I will leave forever all their products to others people on the earth.
Flagship killer.... it's easy to use batches of fail/cheap display and when they result as crappy display you search all excuses to not repair them.

lokesh.3440 said:
Can't you see you are begging for updates of Oxygen in your first post. Now you are saying its not about Oxygen OS.
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dude i don't even use o2os

m4ssnet said:
loving OPO the starting period... Now hating and waiting to sold my OPO and I will NEVER buy a product from them anymore.
From 1 month I've the display issue, with ghost/non responsive touch, no matter what ROM or FIX I apply....
I contact the assistance to change it in warranty, they told me that they can't repair 'cause it have some dents on the frame...
They continue to send me ROMS, links, zips with pre-writed forms, they never read one word from what i write them.
So, I've a VERY BAD opinion of them, and from now, I will leave forever all their products to others people on the earth.
Flagship killer.... it's easy to use batches of fail/cheap display and when they result as crappy display you search all excuses to not repair them.
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OP's service has always been awful

maybe
It all depends on the price for me. I bought the Oneplus One because it was pretty cheap, had good specs and a decent community. I might buy the Two if it's cheap. If it's expensive because of some useless metal parts or because it has the ability to control my tv or make soup, I won't buy it.

I love my OPO and can't wait for OP2. Tech support IME has been fantastic, they solved a small issue without delay and were friendly & helpful the entire time. I'd recommend OnePlus to anybody based on that experience and of course the phone itself. tbh i don't care at all about OxygenOS or delays because I run rooted custom all the time no matter what it came with. Mine came with KitKat and was awesome the whole time, when LP arrived it was still awesome so there's no reason to be unhappy.
CM12S is a good default choice for most ppl and the camera app is solid, only wish it used Camera2 LP API even if we'd lose the Clear Image feature. Openness of the hardware is like a breath of fresh air after years of Samsung. Now that Samsung is trying to be Apple with KNOX and other BS it's even more compelling to choose OnePlus for the next iteration - IF they keep the screen at least 5.5, hopefully bigger.

Will the A7 ever see Customized ROMs?

Although a great phone there are other flagship phones like the Pixel, V20 that are taking priority. I'm sure the Devs are jumping onto the pixel and the 6p is still going. Will this phone ever see any customized ROM? Thoughts....

I dont think so.. maybe far away in future xD

Never. It's impossible.

Yeah, that's the feeling I'm getting too. The adoption rate is way too low. It's sad really; it's such a great phone.

Zte seems to have screwed the pooch, we're at almost 6 months of marketing jargon claiming that unlocked bootloader, hardway overlays, and stock images are coming but the phones relevancy is steadily diminishing Still, it's cheap.

Zte have terribly failed and honestly not getting a zte again

Unjustified Dev said:
It's nothing like that at all. They are applying their changes to cm source and sending it back. This way we ensure everything is the same as stock. This is probably the first time an OEM has ever done something like this.
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He's been putting in major work and is in contact with ZTE, the initial port of CM always takes time, there's a reason you don't ask for ETAs.
Now that we have the B20 factory image it will be much easier to move forward on stock ROM tweaks (Debloat, Deodex) as we now have an official fail-safe / rollback.
Patience is the key on XDA

bossei said:
Yeah, that's the feeling I'm getting too. The adoption rate is way too low. It's sad really; it's such a great phone.
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Hey I'm in the market, I got Verizon's v20 and I don't like it so I'm taking it back probably Monday. I'm looking around at different options because I want outstanding audio does the axon A7 have incredible sound? anything you can tell me about to be great.
What carrier are you using it on?
Is there a way to root it and tot back to original "out of box" state?
Thanks for taking the time.
Sincerely,
DjRobBlaze

Honestly, if ZTE themselves are having trouble getting the audio working, then it's probably not happening. Might have to sell soon, and hop on the OnePlus 3(T?). Sucks, because the hardware on this phone blows the OP3 out of the water on many fronts.

Funny reading. Yes there will be support. Guess it's the waiting game from now on.

more people should learn to code instead of wasting their time *****ing about development.

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He's been putting in major work and is in contact with ZTE, the initial port of CM always takes time, there's a reason you don't ask for ETAs.
Now that we have the B20 factory image it will be much easier to move forward on stock ROM tweaks (Debloat, Deodex) as we now have an official fail-safe / rollback.
Patience is the key on XDA
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That was a week ago
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choadtron11 said:
more people should learn to code instead of wasting their time *****ing about development.
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More people should become a doctor instead of going to the hospital and *****ing about their problems

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More people should become a doctor instead of going to the hospital and *****ing about their problems
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That analogy would work if doctors were working for free and hospitals didn't require any money to operate.
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rendler said:
That analogy would work if doctors were working for free and hospitals didn't require any money to operate.
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Read it again

In principle, we should see customised ROMs. Bootloader is unlocked and we have full images.
Regrettably, there are very few developers working on this device.
There is only one dev working on CM.
To my knowledge, no developers are working on "customising" stock ROMs: Deodex, debloat, tweak k
I really like the hardware on this phone. Screen, DAC, battery life and front speakers are great. Camera is not elite but more than adequate.
I will wait a while longer. If ROM development stays dead, I will have to move on. One thing is certain, I am never again buying a phone without an established development community. My decision to rely on ZTE promises was not prudent.

lokissmile said:
He's been putting in major work and is in contact with ZTE, the initial port of CM always takes time, there's a reason you don't ask for ETAs.
Now that we have the B20 factory image it will be much easier to move forward on stock ROM tweaks (Debloat, Deodex) as we now have an official fail-safe / rollback.
Patience is the key on XDA
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I really hope so, but as a company Cyanogen are in a terrible mess, and ZTE have shown themselves incapable of organising a piss-up in a brewery...

nsane said:
In principle, we should see customised ROMs. Bootloader is unlocked and we have full images.
Regrettably, there are very few developers working on this device.
There is only one dev working on CM.
To my knowledge, no developers are working on "customising" stock ROMs: Deodex, debloat, tweak k
I really like the hardware on this phone. Screen, DAC, battery life and front speakers are great. Camera is not elite but more than adequate.
I will wait a while longer. If ROM development stays dead, I will have to move on. One thing is certain, I am never again buying a phone without an established development community. My decision to rely on ZTE promises was not prudent.
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i think excactly the same

I don't mind not having a Custom ROM if the stock one is decent. Unfortunately MiFavor is not 100% to my liking + they (almost) ignore the EU community (except for ZTE Germany).
In the case of CM I think they are handling it okay. Official BL unlock is definitely coming for the US model and they are currently implementing their audio solution to CM, after that there should be a couple of Roms that can cherry pick CM stuff and build their own features on it.
It's not ZTE's fault for having no Custom Rom programmers among their customers
*hoping there will be a vast Rom landscape in 2017*!

Just bought an Anox 7 a few days ago with a new contract since my Xiaomi (and I'll never recommend a xiaomi device to anyone anymore) is f*cked.
As soon as the phone has arrived, I'll start to brew a resurrection remix.
See you guys soon

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Just bought an Anox 7 a few days ago with a new contract since my Xiaomi (and I'll never recommend a xiaomi device to anyone anymore) is f*cked.
As soon as the phone has arrived, I'll start to brew a resurrection remix.
See you guys soon
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Fantastic news! Welcome aboard!

How will updates be? Like Nexus/Pixel line?

One of the strong points of the Nexus and Pixel line is that you can get frequent updates (https://developers.google.com/android/images). How will the updates look like from Essential? One time upgrade, and then abandon us? Or frequent ASOP updates with fixes?

Whatever they may say about it, we won't really know until the updates come or not. It's being said it's either very close to stock or stock so getting upgrades out should be easy enough in a practical sense.

I'm pretty sure Rubin said in his hour long interview witih Walt Mossberg that it would get regular month security updates, if not better.
The bigger concern is how long will they support the phone for? Just two or three years like Google (making the phone insecure and obsolete after that)? Or five years like Apple? Even more importantly, what if they just don't succeed. If the company folds after a year or two, there will certainly be no updates after that. That's a chance one takes with a new company.

The community will carry it for a while if they move enough of them. As to Rubin, the proof is in the pudding. We've been sold the regular updates thing before and never actually got them or had them stop short. Time will tell.

I don't see updates being a problem. It seems to pretty much be stock Android with a few added features for the cameras and their modules to be released.

Right, but the question is how long they will lag. Lots of manufacturers make claims about updates.
Have they made any statements?

I played with one yesterday and it is almost completely stock 7.1.1 except for the camera software and the little bits in the code that control the modules. I see Andy making sure this gets updated to Oreo by the time the new pixels drop. that is 2 months out. dont quote me though

This is what I wanted to know, since its basically stock. Will it get Oreo (Android 8.0) fairly soon?

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This is what I wanted to know, since its basically stock. Will it get Oreo (Android 8.0) fairly soon?
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Considering how Android Oreo is built I say there is a good chance of quickish updates. 8.0 keeps the make Android code separate from any customizations now. They leave the hooks open do to your own thing besides their code. I think this is why Andy went super stock with 7.1.1 to make it easier later on and they can do more customization leader with their software because it will be easier after Oreo.
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MKBHD and I were talking to one of their software engineers (who use to work for Google as well) at the event on Monday and he told us they were already working on Oreo. In MKBHD's unboxing and first impressions video he mentioned a few of the things that were talked about in that discussion like it being easier to quickly update because it's so close to stock etc.. Although, once they release their home device with Ambient OS I bet we see more customizations on the phone firmware to accommodate that

One thing I question, why 7.1.1 vs 7.1.2? .2 offered a few neat last bit of features before 8.0 so its interesting why almost all OEM's have stuck with 1.1 before possibly jumping to 8.0.

IM0001 said:
One thing I question, why 7.1.1 vs 7.1.2? .2 offered a few neat last bit of features before 8.0 so its interesting why almost all OEM's have stuck with 1.1 before possibly jumping to 8.0.
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Unless I'm reading it wrong it looks like the 7.1.2 update was targeted for Nexus and Pixel devices. Most of the fixes fix issues specific to those devices so why would an OEM port an update that doesn't affect their device.
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superchilpil said:
Unless I'm reading it wrong it looks like the 7.1.2 update was targeted for Nexus and Pixel devices. Most of the fixes fix issues specific to those devices so why would an OEM port an update that doesn't affect their device.
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This may be true, but it did also bring thins like the long touch shortcut feature as well as the fingerprint sensor swipe feature that may work on other hardware that had the same sensor hardware.
It's not a big deal, and though we have 8.0 now, I might want to wait a bit for Google to release a update to that as well hearing what I am from early adopters that have 8.0 now on their Pixel's. New features and battery life improvements plagued with persistent notifications, worse BT, and other odds and bits that seem like rushed bugs.
Exactly what I would expect from Version X.0 for a major OS change so not surprising at all.

cb474 said:
I'm pretty sure Rubin said in his hour long interview witih Walt Mossberg that it would get regular month security updates, if not better.
The bigger concern is how long will they support the phone for? Just two or three years like Google (making the phone insecure and obsolete after that)? Or five years like Apple? Even more importantly, what if they just don't succeed. If the company folds after a year or two, there will certainly be no updates after that. That's a chance one takes with a new company.
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A very valid concern. Especially since these sorts of people and companies throw a bunch of money at stuff and if it doesnt look like it is going to get the giant return on the investment they hope within a year or so then they do shut it down and move on to their next big thing.
My other concern with this is if we will get full kernel source or not as well. I would assume yes, since Andy helped make the deal about Andsroid being so open and sources available, but you never know with phone OEMs. Even though this is basically stock ROM, I bet the kernel source will be needed so we can interface the best with the accessory pins and make use of the custom camera stuff.

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A very valid concern. Especially since these sorts of people and companies throw a bunch of money at stuff and if it doesnt look like it is going to get the giant return on the investment they hope within a year or so then they do shut it down and move on to their next big thing.
My other concern with this is if we will get full kernel source or not as well. I would assume yes, since Andy helped make the deal about Andsroid being so open and sources available, but you never know with phone OEMs. Even though this is basically stock ROM, I bet the kernel source will be needed so we can interface the best with the accessory pins and make use of the custom camera stuff.
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Also, even if they make the kernel source available, will the phone be popular with developers? It seems like the sort of phone that might. As you say, Rubin is very supportive of open source (even on the hardware for the modules). But on the other hand, it's an expensive and quirky phone. Even the Pixel (with its huge price jump and move away from the Nexus brand) took much longer to catch on with developers than previous Nexus phones had. I'm hoping the devs like it.

OP 5T ??

?? Looks cool
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzGdGHHs0zdxdGZaR3FLcG92cTQ/view?usp=sharing
fingerprint sensor at back another disappointment... op can never get it right
http://geeksnipper.com/oneplus-5t-will-launched-november-20th/6752/

More real estate for screen so FP goes to the back. Trending way for most new phones.

Least this one will come with Oreo and hopefully they give it 2 OS update cycles, unlike the screwjob we got with the 3t

qbanlinxx said:
Least this one will come with Oreo and hopefully they give it 2 OS update cycles, unlike the screwjob we got with the 3t
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Screwjob? The OnePlus 3T came with Android 6.0.1, was updated to Android 7.x, and now Android 8.0 is on beta channel.
6.0.1 -> 7.x -> 8.0
That makes two update cycles.

casual_kikoo said:
Screwjob? The OnePlus 3T came with Android 6.0.1, was updated to Android 7.x, and now Android 8.0 is on beta channel.
6.0.1 -> 7.x -> 8.0
That makes two update cycles.
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Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..

oTeMpLo said:
fingerprint sensor at back another disappointment... op can never get it right
http://geeksnipper.com/oneplus-5t-will-launched-november-20th/6752/
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if this is real, i have to disagree!
before the OP3t i used a nexus 5x, and i quite like the back placement of the fingerprint scanner!

qbanlinxx said:
Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..
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You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted

Hmmm, I'm becoming more of the opinion that my 3T is too big.
I miss having a smaller, 5" say phone.
Bigger screen/same footprint doesn't interest me at all.
There's really nothing on the market that grabs my attention and makes me want to buy it...

With the release of the Oneplus 5T incoming, I'm left questioning the longevity of my Oneplus 3T. You see, my issue is that just a few days back I got pushed around a shopping mall and my phone dropped face first from around chest height. The phone is now having 30% of its screen cracked from the bottom right. Thankfully all the functions still work but looking at the screen is still a pain. My only options are to pay about $120 to buy a replacement screen and have it shipped to my home country (in the middle east) and look for a shop that'll replace and hopefully not damage the device. My only other option is to get a oneplus 5T or use this phone as is until the oneplus 6 comes out and buy that. According to how I buy things, I like to keep my phone for atleast 2 years before I change to a new one, so far it has been only 11 months. So what would you, the community, recommend me to do now that we know that Oneplus will no longer be updating the 3T? Thank you for the advice

RASTAVIPER said:
You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted
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Indeed facts are facts and it is what it is. Yes it is OnePlus fault it shipped with 6.0.1, I didn't make that decision.

endursa said:
if this is real, i have to disagree!
before the OP3t i used a nexus 5x, and i quite like the back placement of the fingerprint scanner!
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Same opinion:good:
But I see no reason to buy the 5T. I'm very happy with my 3T and there will be soon the Oneplus 6

bilal.malik said:
With the release of the Oneplus 5T incoming, I'm left questioning the longevity of my Oneplus 3T. You see, my issue is that just a few days back I got pushed around a shopping mall and my phone dropped face first from around chest height. The phone is now having 30% of its screen cracked from the bottom right. Thankfully all the functions still work but looking at the screen is still a pain. My only options are to pay about $120 to buy a replacement screen and have it shipped to my home country (in the middle east) and look for a shop that'll replace and hopefully not damage the device. My only other option is to get a oneplus 5T or use this phone as is until the oneplus 6 comes out and buy that. According to how I buy things, I like to keep my phone for atleast 2 years before I change to a new one, so far it has been only 11 months. So what would you, the community, recommend me to do now that we know that Oneplus will no longer be updating the 3T? Thank you for the advice
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I switched to Sultan XDA lineage OS. currently running 10/22/17 build with flashed 4.5.1 modem. In the USA on Mint, this is a rock solid ROM which fixed my GPS issues and has VOLTE. wifi calling is disabled. I am not going back to OOS (4.5.0 was the last version on my 3T A3000). Maybe this information will help you make a decision.

qbanlinxx said:
Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..
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Yeah. 8.0 means that we got a year of OS support. It shoulder been more.
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RASTAVIPER said:
You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted
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The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".

devlamania said:
The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".
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Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted

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Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
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What could be the reason behind that ?

devlamania said:
The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".
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It's sad when you're supporting Apple for having Software Support for their devices >5 Years old, but call Android users "sheep", when you have fanboys supporting Apple for new phones that are similar in design and internal specs [Except the IP8/8+/X], but mark my words, the next few iPhones will be a repeat in all what we like about the recent Apple phones.
As per my knowledge of the definition of Sheep: People who fall in line for repeated and fake ideas without having any reason as to why they're following.
And in all my time of using Android devices, any flagship line of devices have never been repeated in specs and design, unlike *cough* iPhone *cough*. An example : iPhone SE
Sure, OEM's may not support Android devices for long, but for a flagship device, there will always be Custom ROM's. Hell, even my Galaxy S3 has Oreo/Nougat ROM's.
As RASTAVIPER said;
RASTAVIPER said:
Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted
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And continuing on his reply, you don't buy an Android for the repeated OEM updates, you buy it for the community support and the Open Source Features of Android, which allow anyone to build on it.
Want all the updates that Apple provides to their phones? Don't buy a budget device like the 5T for 500$ approx. Go buy an iPhone for double the price if you're all about the OEM support.

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It's sad when you're supporting Apple for having Software Support for their devices >5 Years old, but call Android users "sheep", when you have fanboys supporting Apple for new phones that are similar in design and internal specs [Except the IP8/8+/X], but mark my words, the next few iPhones will be a repeat in all what we like about the recent Apple phones.
As per my knowledge of the definition of Sheep: People who fall in line for repeated and fake ideas without having any reason as to why they're following.
And in all my time of using Android devices, any flagship line of devices have never been repeated in specs and design, unlike *cough* iPhone *cough*. An example : iPhone SE
Sure, OEM's may not support Android devices for long, but for a flagship device, there will always be Custom ROM's. Hell, even my Galaxy S3 has Oreo/Nougat ROM's.
As RASTAVIPER said;
And continuing on his reply, you don't buy an Android for the repeated OEM updates, you buy it for the community support and the Open Source Features of Android, which allow anyone to build on it.
Want all the updates that Apple provides to their phones? Don't buy a budget device like the 5T for 500$ approx. Go buy an iPhone for double the price if you're all about the OEM support.
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I'm an apple fanboy ? Holy cow, I didn't know that myself. Thanks for clarifying o greatest of all. Lol.
If you say that people's dedication towards nation in North Korea is awesome doesn't make you a NK fanboy. If you can't say what's good for what it is, then shame on you and shame on you for trying to shut me from saying that.
I'm tired of you people tagging - oh he's a Nvidia fanboy, oh he's an amd fanboy. I'm a consumer. A "consumer".
And here you go spitting venom about this and that aspect of apple and Android. Yo, I'm talking about software support here !! I'm not taking side of apple or android which your blockhead clearly missed out. But that's okay. It's your life, it's your money and it's your choice.
But what really is interesting is, I spoke about apple being good about software updates and you lost your mind !! And readily assumed me to be an apple user in xda. That's cool ... That's cool. A sheep is a sheep. Whether it's an android user or apple. Anyway, good day to you.

devlamania said:
I'm an apple fanboy ? Holy cow, I didn't know that myself. Thanks for clarifying o greatest of all. Lol.
If you say that people's dedication towards nation in North Korea is awesome doesn't make you a NK fanboy. If you can't say what's good for what it is, then shame on you and shame on you for trying to shut me from saying that.
I'm tired of you people tagging - oh he's a Nvidia fanboy, oh he's an amd fanboy. I'm a consumer. A "consumer".
And here you go spitting venom about this and that aspect of apple and Android. Yo, I'm talking about software support here !! I'm not taking side of apple or android which your blockhead clearly missed out. But that's okay. It's your life, it's your money and it's your choice.
But what really is interesting is, I spoke about apple being good about software updates and you lost your mind !! And readily assumed me to be an apple user in xda. That's cool ... That's cool. A sheep is a sheep. Whether it's an android user or apple. Anyway, good day to you.
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I'd like you to re-read my reply, and check where I called you an Apple fanboy or even an Apple user. I clearly stated that you calling Android users sheep is funny when Apple fanboys are sheep for a repeated device. I have NOT called you an Apple fanboy nor have I called you an Apple product consumer. Please do go re-read if you still think so.
Throwing insults around like a child? Do go on, because I never "spat venom" at any clarification or any idea you stated, and I did not "lose my mind", I was speaking in a calm and cool way, unlike you who had the audacity to insult me, when I didn't even say anything to offend you in the first place. If you misread or misunderstood my reply, that's not my problem, it's your problem.
Well, if you speak and think like this on any forum, no wonder you're disappointed how the community helps you or treats you. You don't even have your facts straight yet, OEM's don't support their devices readily with the newest OS updates, but they do update even their older devices with important security updates, I.E.: OnePlus rolling out the KRACK vulnerability fix to the OP2.
And frankly speaking, I deem it viable for Apple to release updates for their older devices, when you spend an absurd amount on even an older device. Overly expensive=Good after sales support and OTA's
But you want a budget flagship killer company(OnePlus) to;
1. Make powerful devices that are at budget prices
2. Support the device and older devices for a time period of 5 years.
3. Keep releasing newer and newer devices with updated hardware, while doing #2
You think that all the staff, manufacturing and running costs run on Air, but they got to keep their lights running. If it's a company like Apple who price their devices at absurd prices and have no price depreciation for a couple of years, yes they should give OTA's for a long time.
You don't take anything into consideration, but only the fact that it needs to keep you happy and at a low price.
Quoting @RASTAVIPER ; Go buy an iPhone, because Android OEM's release OTA's for the time period of that device. When they've completed their OTA stages for the flagship, we have an amazing community to support each other, unlike Apple who keep their devices locked down, so they HAVE to give OS updates.
Keep throwing childish insults at anyone who argues with you on XDA or any other forum, and see if anyone will be happy to help you.
Also, if it didn't get through to you, I did not call you an Apple fanboy, and neither did I involve anything so personally condemning for you to insult me.
Definition of sheeple (Sheep of Apple)
informal
: people who are docile, compliant, or easily influenced

Seriously so much false flag in this thread its insane... Android phones would have 5 year updates if people would not want a "new" phone every six months. Simple
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