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Official froyo to be available end of next month

@Samsung_Mobiles: @hellopraveen Froyo will be available by end of next month.
They just replied me on twitter.
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Congrats Samsung. Three months after every other company. When will they learn that software development is just as important as hardware development?

they probably read XDA's bashing of JPH and thought "oops, we be gettin this shizzle aiight!"

It will likely come sooner to some locations

lafaya said:
they probably read XDA's bashing of JPH and thought "oops, we be gettin this shizzle aiight!"
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If their brains are functioning correctly, they'd just hire several of XDA's members. Ideally, they'd integrate supercurio's work on Voodoo into their next Froyo firmware.

Something is NOT better than nothing. I hope they take their time and optimize the stinking releases that have been leaked so far.
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Another month or even two is fine with me. I'd rather they do things properly than rush to please an impatient minority

r3loaded2010 said:
If their brains are functioning correctly, they'd just hire several of XDA's members. Ideally, they'd integrate supercurio's work on Voodoo into their next Froyo firmware.
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You think they'd need to hire developers from forums to change the filesystem used on the phone? If they wanted to, it'd be a piece of cake to them. They simply don't plan on doing so. Why would they? It would be like officially accepting defeat of their own filesystem, which none of the big companies would be willing to do unless absolutely necessary.
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on twitter @samsungukmobile confirmed to release froyo in this month, hope it will, maybe 23rd sept?! :-O
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ed10000 said:
You think they'd need to hire developers from forums to change the filesystem used on the phone? If they wanted to, it'd be a piece of cake to them. They simply don't plan on doing so. Why would they? It would be like officially accepting defeat of their own filesystem, which none of the big companies would be willing to do unless absolutely necessary.
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The real mystery though is, why did they come with RFS in the first place?

r3loaded2010 said:
The real mystery though is, why did they come with RFS in the first place?
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Because some jackass at Samsung with a big ego can't admit that their filesystem is rubbish and needs to die. Even though they could easily swap it for a better one and give the phone a massive performance boost.
Whoever it is should get fired. Surely their engineers realise this, there must be someone stopping them from doing their job properly.
I hope they do something about it. It really is a strange problem.
JPH certainly wasn't fit to be officially released so I'm not surprised by a delay.

pravk said:
@Samsung_Mobiles: @hellopraveen Froyo will be available by end of next month.
They just replied me on twitter.
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Same here in Romania, samsungmobiles.ro said the update will be available around October, 15th...

I prefer to update my phone in October instead of updating it tomorrow with another damn crappy firmware. These koreans have very strange policies about firmware development

I would be very surprised if samsung change filesystem so close to the release - this is not typical for a large company. The leaked roms should be by now a good indication of what to expect. The reason samsung came up with rfs is because of older flash technology, they just seem to feel safer and more comfortable with continuing using in-house solution. Frankly, I don't expect they would ever switch - it would require significant validation, support tools, coordination ... Sgs is probably already an old story internally and they are working on next gen devices...

this is really sad....cant believe a company like samsung shipping millions of phones all across the globe cant have a 15 member elite team compile a froyo build which works really well....thats really a shame for samsung imo. We're not talking about needing engineers from another planet with large sized brains to be cracking this one....it just needs a well coordinated prioritized approach.
Wonder when samsung would realize the importance of having a good software team....looks like only HTC has realized the importance of packing in good sw improvements over an os as a winning differentiator.
bah!

gshklover said:
... Sgs is probably already an old story internally and they are working on next gen devices...
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If that's true, my next phone would NOT be Samsung anymore. They must look forward for the customers feedback very serious.

celeronix said:
If that's true, my next phone would NOT be Samsung anymore. They must look forward for the customers feedback very serious.
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Agreed. I really like the SGS but this lag issue can't be ignored. If they really refuse to replace their terrible RFS system it seems like an insult. There is no good reason to keep it, we have already had people on this forum come up with significant improvements to the lag by implementing other filesystems.
But then the problem is, who do I go to next
I'm not afraid to switch manufacturer, I do it all the time. Nokia lost me due to crap software, HTC suck at sound quality, SE are super slow with Android updates (their flagship phone is still on 1.6, haha)...
Damn, they're all crap in their own way
Samsung don't make me write you off for good by screwing the SGS owners over

celeronix said:
If that's true, my next phone would NOT be Samsung anymore. They must look forward for the customers feedback very serious.
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There are still rom releases for their omnia 2 device, previous flag ship device. It may mean they won't abandon galaxy s so quickly.
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rdy2go said:
There are still rom releases for their omnia 2 device, previous flag ship device. It may mean they won't abandon galaxy s so quickly.
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Yeah, I don't think that Samsung will abandon SGS soon. I had i900 Omnia and the best firmware for this one has been released may be a year and a half after it's promo. Funny ha? I remember the first firmware. It was AWESOMELY crappy and sluggish. Sad story
@Maddmatt: I totally agree with you. Now Samsung have a really BIG chance to grow their market share with great phone like our SGS, but they should be fast and quick, fighting for their customers. Because we didn't spent 500$+ for their ignorance policies

i got omnia (the first one, 16GB) and only managed to see one official firmware update, and that's it. Then it was all about Omnia II. Hopefully, they won't do the same with SGS and come up with SGS II anytime soon.

Want to start a #PleaseShareYourSourceCode for the #Vibrant #Samsung

So have been thinking. As we did a pretty good #NeverAgain campaign way back to get Froyo to our Vibrants we could try a new approach.
We may be waiting for Samsung and T-mobile to come out with Gingerbread for the our Vibrants. I don't know what the chances for this is. But if they are planning on retiring the Vibrant (or already have) than there shouldn't be anything that keeps Samsung from releasing the sourcecode for the Vibrant. The good press that Samsung would get by releasing the source code (and I'm talking about the kernel) for the Vibrant, can be tremendous. If they are not planning on using it, than great if they release the source. If they do plan on releasing it, but also hand it over to the developers like the CM team, how much more grateful will we be as their power user group.
Keeping on the developers good side should be important for Samsung and the other manufacturers, as that also leads to a very happy power user group. Which in turn refers their products to their friends and families.
So just checking to see what the interest would be for us people that are left with the Vibrant would be involved in making a campaign like this to succeed?

#bashingsamsungandtmobileoverandoverisntgoingtogetusanythingandsinceyounameditspecificallyforthevibranttherewontevenbethatmuchsupportevenontheneveragainthepeoplefromfascinatecaptivateetccameoverandhelpedout

xriderx66 said:
#bashingsamsungandtmobileoverandoverisntgoingtogetusanythingandsinceyounameditspecificallyforthevibranttherewontevenbethatmuchsupportevenontheneveragainthepeoplefromfascinatecaptivateetccameoverandhelpedout
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You made some spelling mistakes
But yes its pointless to do that, once something is used with success it won't touch the crowd the same/losses its meaning
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iwillkillyou said:
You made some spelling mistakes
But yes its pointless to do that, once something is used with success it won't touch the crowd the same/losses its meaning
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I agree. The first campaign worked because it was something new and half way legitimate. If they are working on GB for us, a year after release, I don't think we have much ground to complain. Not that you can't, feel free, but now people are starting to hit the down hill slope of looking forward to their next upgrade.
Just my opinion.
Edit: I am 'tarded

The Vibrant is powerful enough to maintain a long lifespan. There really are only about 2 phones I'd consider a strong enough upgrade to even consider jumping ship.
Ice Cream Sandwich isn't far away. Since it's meant to work on all devices (phones, tablets, pc's, etc)... I really hope drivers aren't the reason I can't use this phone for long time to come..
Well, that and AT&T. BOO.

As much as we love this phone it won't live forever. We can't beg for every update
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joshyy_rey said:
As much as we love this phone it won't live forever. We can't beg for every update
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I know we can't ask for the update. Don't really care. But we know they are sitting on the code and if they are not planning on giving us GB at least they could give us the code. Especially the kernel so that CM can get a perfectly working CM7 for the Vibrant.

swehes said:
I know we can't ask for the update. Don't really care. But we know they are sitting on the code and if they are not planning on giving us GB at least they could give us the code. Especially the kernel so that CM can get a perfectly working CM7 for the Vibrant.
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The problem is that if it's not finished (which is very likely) and we use the code a lot of misinformed people will complain about how we were given buggy code. Then the conspiracy theorists will assume that Samsung sabotaged the code just to get people to hate their phones and want to buy a new one.
All of this will go back to Samsung and they will be labeled as bad for not knowing how to program, or hurting development, or being evil, or ...
Perfect world they could just make all their code transparent for us all to see as soon as it happens, but they would rather be like every other company and hold out on giving out source until they feel it is ready than risk being hurt by trying to help out.
If the code was finished they would be pushing for an update. I doubt they have anything complete for the vibrant.

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TheSneakerWhore said:
I just started #lovemesomelesbianasianfootfetish.
LET'S CHANGE THE WORLD!!!!!111!one!!!1!eleventy
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Lol, this made me laugh. Thank you. I hit the button but I hit my cap
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Samsungs inability to support the community....

Why need it be so hard to support the developers working on Samsung phones....releasing code that is impossible to work with....as on the sgs2 for example.....there are ways to work with and support those working on porting phones...Sony Ericsson has made that effort to support the community....so should Samsung....they make great phones wich could be even greater.....if only they embraced the community and made an effort to work with, and not against......
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maybe you should research before you post pointless threads that have nothing to back up your points.
Samsung have arguably been the most developer friendly company.

If you're talking about releasing proprietary drivers then what the fk can SAMSUNG do about it? It isn't theirs, they can't give something that doesn't belong to them.
$1 gets you a reply

So then there is no way to make it easier to get things working without releasing proprietary drivers .......then i give up on believing there is a way to get a working port to the sgs2.....but as i refuse to accept that reality , i still believe there are things possible to be change.
To make it easier without releasing proprietary drivers ......

Well people could make their own drivers, but I believe they'd need the full architecture map and the details outlining. Moreover testing and refining would take an immense amount of time.

It's slightly more complicated that this in the software world.
1 - as soon as samsung release anything they become responsible for it, i.e. they also need to release manuals, maybe maintain, support etc.
2 - samsung have how many different active handsets ? And each of them needs to be supported. It's one HELL of a job. I wouldn't be surprised if they just don't have time or don't want to spend money to support community.

Either you have no idea or your just impatient,Think about Samsung,there one of the world largest electronics company's in the world,while your sat at home drinking coffee or tea,there bashing out a new product and ideas to try and make electronic lives that more easier,from TVs,Phones,Fridges,Microwaves,laptops,sound systems,mp3s,hardware for other manufacturers,every second of the every day there working on something,its amazing they have anytime to actually release stuff like this but they do it,they try and support our device as much as they can despite having a patent war with apple at the same time.There about 10 different variants of this device,each one is slightly different,each one has there own different hardware,each one needs there own drivers,each one also needs supported,S2 is also not the one they need to support,Theres S,Nexus S,Galaxy Nexus,ACE,W,R,all need supporting so when they release the code when they do,you have a think of what else there doing and be more grateful they do it compared with say htc,who only manufacture mobiles but are tight arses,Samsung even sent several Galaxy s2 to CyanogenMod to he could bring his software onto the device,they didnt have to but they did.If they didnt care,they wouldnt do any of this,There not perfect but trust me they do try

http://codeworkx.de/wordpress/
And i agree with you about all they are manufacturing and that they have a lot to do....and need not support all of the products if so needed....
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NickoPulver said:
Why need it be so hard to support the developers working on Samsung phones....releasing code that is impossible to work with....as on the sgs2 for example.....there are ways to work with and support those working on porting phones...Sony Ericsson has made that effort to support the community....so should Samsung....they make great phones wich could be even greater.....if only they embraced the community and made an effort to work with, and not against......
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wtf are you talking about? Please state how Samsung's released code for the I9100 is impossible to work with. Yes, apparently the original source release had some stability bugs (see Ninphetamine kernel thread), but Samsung fixed that MONTHS ago with update1...
Samsung is, in my opinion, the most developer-friendly manufacturer out there. Download mode (Odin) makes it almost impossible to hardbrick, and they're now the only major manufacturer that is not locking their bootloaders. They also usually release kernel source BEFORE a product even officially launches.

Entropy512 said:
Samsung is, in my opinion, the most developer-friendly manufacturer out there.
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LOL.
ROFL.

ithehappy said:
LOL.
ROFL.
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duno why your laughing, they are, not only did they even hire the founder of cyanogen, but they also sent the cyanogen devs a bunch of SGS2's when they first come out so that they would support the SGS2.

I don't understand why Samsung sent team Hacksung free SGS IIs only to hold them up by not giving them what they need to develop on them.

d3ck4rd said:
I don't understand why Samsung sent team Hacksung free SGS IIs only to hold them up by not giving them what they need to develop on them.
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Good point there my friend.

ithehappy said:
LOL.
ROFL.
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Name a manufacturer who has done a better job.
HTC? Locked bootloaders, kernel sources withheld for extremely long times.
Motorola? Locked bootloaders
LG? Don't really know - at least in the US, their devices tend to be such bugridden **** (such as the battery-hogging Thrill) that you'd spend months just getting to the point of a stock Samsung firmware.
Samsung donated devices to the Cyanogenmod team and gave them nearly everything they needed to port the device - the only thing that isn't working very well in CM7 is Bluetooth, and you can blame Broadcom for that. Broadcom are ****ing douchebags when it comes to open source, they are one of the LEAST developer-friendly companies on the planet. Unfortunately it seems like these days, your only choices for Wifi/Bluetooth implementations are either the BCM4330, TI's WLAN solution (which is tightly coupled to OMAP), or some wacky niche player (Samsung tried to do that with the Infuse and the STE CG2900 - that epicfailed for them.)
If you're referring to ICS - for ****s' sake, Samsung hasn't even released their own ICS firmware yet. The sense of entitlement on these forums is getting to be utterly ****ing ridiculous. It's almost unheard of for an AOSP bringup to be successful to an Android version higher than the latest manufacturer release.

Entropy512 said:
Name a manufacturer who has done a better job.
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Sony Ericsson has actually helped with development for CM7, I think they take the cake .
Samsung is pretty cool too for donating phones to devs. Maybe they'll even help them develop in the future. One step at a time

NickoPulver said:
Why need it be so hard to support the developers working on Samsung phones....releasing code that is impossible to work with....as on the sgs2 for example.....there are ways to work with and support those working on porting phones...Sony Ericsson has made that effort to support the community....so should Samsung....they make great phones wich could be even greater.....if only they embraced the community and made an effort to work with, and not against......
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So what would you like us to do? Petition them?
What outcome would you like?
If the code is "impossible to work with" then why are there so many kernels out there based on their code?
Also, your ENTER key says "hi", and your period key says "ouch".

Sammy might have lots of smartphones and lots of stuf to worry about and its all that story about proprietary drivers, software and all that crap, but the truth is if they wanted, it wasnt that dificult to help the team.
If you do a little search in the forum u will see devices sucessfully running AOSP cm9 alpha on Android 4.01 which is higher than the latest manufacturer release, since only nexus have ics lolol

d3ck4rd said:
I don't understand why Samsung sent team Hacksung free SGS IIs only to hold them up by not giving them what they need to develop on them.
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That was just very very cheap advertising
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Why would Samsung even release ICS drivers for SGS2 when they are working on their own ICS release for it? You don't give out the plans to something that you are about to bring out to the market before you launch it. Think about that.

I have to agree. The sense of entitlement is a bit crazy.

Motorola Nexus Rumor

I guess the lesson here is that if you are not a Verizon customer, don't buy a Motorola product. Otherwise, you are treated like a booger...nice and shiny that gets lot of attention for a minute, and then flicked away and forgotten. Even though the Razor Nexus is a rumor, I think it will become a reality in the near future.
Oh yea, the other lesson here, don't always believe everything Motorola says. haha
http://www.examiner.com/article/report-motorola-will-make-next-google-nexus-smartphone

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

this is highly beleievable to be honest :good:
seeing as google own motorola, all you have to do is put 2 and 2 together really lol they gain extra profit without having to share the profit with the phone manufacturer because they are the phone manufacturing as well as software manufacturer lol

This is highly unlickly. The next Nexus is going to be made by LG, not Motorola. Motorola MAY make the Nexus 5, if it ever comes out.
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This is highly unlickly. The next Nexus is going to be made by LG, not Motorola. Motorola MAY make the Nexus 5, if it ever comes out.
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Don't forget, rumour has it that there will be multiple Nexus devices coming out. We still won't know till they reveal them in a few days time at the event. So let's just have our fingers crossed that there are more choices for our devices (although I'll still ignore a Nexus from Motorola, they treat us customers like ****)

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Don't forget, rumour has it that there will be multiple Nexus devices coming out. We still won't know till they reveal them in a few days time at the event. So let's just have our fingers crossed that there are more choices for our devices (although I'll still ignore a Nexus from Motorola, they treat us customers like ****)
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That turned out to just be one elaborate hoax, the guy/gal who started it came forward. No multiple nexus phones, theme centre and so on.
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I'd consider that. I'm happy with the hardware. That whole ICS cocktease was absurd tho.
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No more Moto for me. Hardware is fine but update support is minor.

but is there a really interest to go to ICS or JB ???
does the actual GB rom isn't suffiiciant for a while ?
i think there is a lot of app that work on atrix and GB so why go to ICS or GB ? UI , software update , ergonomy ? but in fact what's new ?
i'm a linux user not android for now ... soon, with atrix perhaps

attrixnor said:
but is there a really interest to go to ICS or JB ???
does the actual GB rom isn't suffiiciant for a while ?
i think there is a lot of app that work on atrix and GB so why go to ICS or GB ? UI , software update , ergonomy ? but in fact what's new ?
i'm a linux user not android for now ... soon, with atrix perhaps
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The issue isn't so much that ICS/JB is any better than GB.................it's more that it was promised and indicated on the Moto website, then the support was pulled for this development. They should have communicated more with the customers, and been honest about the plans for the future. Instead they have ended up losing a lot of consumers who would have been loyal had they not reneged on their promises.

CaelanT said:
The issue isn't so much that ICS/JB is any better than GB.................it's more that it was promised and indicated on the Moto website, then the support was pulled for this development. They should have communicated more with the customers, and been honest about the plans for the future. Instead they have ended up losing a lot of consumers who would have been loyal had they not reneged on their promises.
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There are a couple of reasons to upgrade to ICS/JB. One is security. There are enhancements (such as ASLR) which make it much more difficult for hackers to run their own code on your phone. The other is usability. ICS and JB is just way more usable IMO. The UI is clean, and requires less taps to get to common functions. I stayed on GB for a while, tried ICS and though, meh. But JB was a huge jump in maturity in the OS.

attrixnor said:
but is there a really interest to go to ICS or JB ???
does the actual GB rom isn't suffiiciant for a while ?
i think there is a lot of app that work on atrix and GB so why go to ICS or GB ? UI , software update , ergonomy ? but in fact what's new ?
i'm a linux user not android for now ... soon, with atrix perhaps
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To expand on the previous post. There are many security flaws in GB. Look ho often desk tops are updated to close possible exploits. With smart phones becoming ever more popular they are coming under increasing threats. JB fixes many of the possible exploits. My phone contains most of my personal data including banking information. I want to keep that data safe.
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CaelanT said:
The issue isn't so much that ICS/JB is any better than GB.................it's more that it was promised and indicated on the Moto website, then the support was pulled for this development. They should have communicated more with the customers, and been honest about the plans for the future. Instead they have ended up losing a lot of consumers who would have been loyal had they not reneged on their promises.
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^ Plus on top of that they started us with Froyo, when GB was already out.
The only "real" support the Atrix ever got was when BL Unlock got leaked.
I find it funny that the devs here made Motorola's team look like a bunch of chimps...
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ccrows said:
^ Plus on top of that they started us with Froyo, when GB was already out.
The only "real" support the Atrix ever got was when BL Unlock got leaked.
I find it funny that the devs here made Motorola's team look like a bunch of chimps...
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Motorola's dev are not bad at all. Motorola Management is.

if motorola dev read us pretty sure , please post the new kernel for ics ....a gift for christmas :highfive:
go back to earth
xda dev work hard on new lg kernel i think ... it's our only way

ticiano_arraes said:
Motorola's dev are not bad at all. Motorola Management is.
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*Thinks about Motoblur for a second*
Gotta disagree...
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There are a couple of reasons to upgrade to ICS/JB. One is security. There are enhancements (such as ASLR) which make it much more difficult for hackers to run their own code on your phone. The other is usability. ICS and JB is just way more usable IMO. The UI is clean, and requires less taps to get to common functions. I stayed on GB for a while, tried ICS and though, meh. But JB was a huge jump in maturity in the OS.
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But, what I see as the major beef from the majority of people is nothing more than the fact they didn't get the update. Most people, including those who frequent the XDA (Atrix) forums here, couldn't tell you what is different other than to say UI, face unlock, and kernel.
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*Thinks about Motoblur for a second*
Gotta disagree...
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You don't seem to realize just how much influence the management can have over development.
I'm also a full-time developer so I know.

Rarz nexus hohoh
always the same appearance of the Razr, never innovates

My observations of Google/android

Hi people,
My wife and i both have notes. I'm rooted and have been running JB ever since the first leak.
My wife's is totally stock, running ics.
She's fed up of waiting for it, and before you all start flaming, she is a typical user who doesn't want to root her device to get the latest os that people in Trinidad and Tobago or some other back end country are enjoying (her words not mine)
Now whether its all crapsungs fault or her carriers I don't know, but at this rate her contract upgrade will be upon her before she even gets jelly bean (due In august!!!) and I doubt she'll stay with android.
Personally I'm beginning to loose faith in Android and the fragmentation of its OS
The most used version is GB still!!!
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own.
Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
People who I talked into buying android devices are ditching them at the earliest opportunity for an iPhone.
Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
Rant over

why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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This answer might be considered standard from now on to every thread, question and rambling comparation of iPhone (6device company) and Android (+1000device not-a-single-company). Full stop.

Flashing a ROM in Odin does not need root :|

My thoughts
The most used version is GB still!!!
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Your Point? Nokia 1110 is the most used mobile phone. How many have you seen using that nowadays?
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own.
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It's nobody's fault.
Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
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I AGREE 110% WITH YOU ON THIS.
People who I talked into buying android devices are ditching them at the earliest opportunity for an iPhone.
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It took 2 years from Single Core to Dual, but less than 6 months from proper Quad Cores to First Octa Core unveiled.
I used to think investing this many on a mobile phone keep me not in Enthusiast but in mainstream category for atleast 2-3 years. Not 8 months after purchase, it already feel cheap.
At least with iPhone, you have the peace of mind that if you got screwed, so are others, and pain won't resurface until a year or so.
But with Android, its like, you invest 500 Bucks on a phone and 30 minutes later, a new phone twice as powerful for 550 is unveiled set to release 2 months later.
Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
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Sadly, Stockholm Syndrome is a little wider than you think.

lol stockholm syndrome. Never heard of it that way with devices/product lock-in. Gave me quite a laugh, cause it could be true. Bit drastic but whatever.
Good thing Apple did push the envelope rushing android and other mobile manufacturers into better areas. Since they lost momentum I hope the Androids momentum continues.
On topic, there is another factor slowing multicountry roll outs, thats the countries themselves, so its not necessary Sammies fault one country is faster then others, go blame your countries for unable to keep up with Trini-Bego

Basically, you have just one problem and that is, updates are not fast enough? That isn't Google's fault at all. OEM's get the source code for the new OS earlier it is made publicly accessible (usually 1-2 weeks after announcement). It is the OEMs which insist of adding more 'features' and bugs and then taking time to release it. If you're using a carrier-subsidised phone, add another six months to it.
In short, get a nexus.

Namanarusia said:
I AGREE 110% WITH YOU ON THIS.
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I don't. The current speed is good. I really don't care if people get upset they are "left behind" (they're really not, as long as you have at least ICS app compatibility is very very good). If you want the latest and the greatest of Android, get a Nexus or a device that's well supported by the community or manufacturer. Samsung also seems to keep their high end devices updated very well these days. Our Notes have been taken all the way from GB to JB and the delay of updates keeps getting smaller.
As said before, you don't need root to flash stock updates. Carriers delay the updates a lot, so just do it yourself. There are plenty of guides out there and it's not hard unless you are computerphobic or something.

Well i kind of agree with you but if a person is too hungry for updates. There always are the custom roms. I am a tw fan and i keep my phone stock but when i get bore or anything i try the custom and use it for a week or two.
So android basically is not locked up. U always have ways out. Good thibg about android is that u always get what google has to offer and plus the OEM update is a bonus.
I like to stay with samsung because of this fact.
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iPhone = One manufacturer, one OS, each iPhone (3g, s, 4s, 5) will run the same official shyt apple gives them
Android = Several manufacturers, several options, several price groups, several specs
Apple = MoFo autocrat
Android = Democracy
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Google really needs to rethink the speed at which it releases its newest os, because they are leaving the majority of its users behind because of its feature race/war with apple.
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Android users would take it as a compliment. Android is evolving faster - open source - :thumbup:

kingears said:
she is a typical user who doesn't want to root her device to get the latest os that people in Trinidad and Tobago or some other back end country are enjoying
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Since when you need root to flash official XXLSZ for Germany via Odin? You don't even loose warranty...
kingears said:
Now whether its all crapsungs fault or her carriers I don't know
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Then why you're whining when you have no idea what you're talking about?
kingears said:
The most used version is GB still!!!
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So? many people still use old phones and they don't want to change them
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Wake up Google or you will lose a lot of users
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Yes, because it's Google's not OEMs' fault that they can't keep up with updates
kingears said:
Apps are becoming ridiculously large and people with older devices who are not fortunate enough to get the latest shiny device are really being left behind, through no fault of their own
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A moment of realisation, why the hell am I responding to a troll?

I'm saying that most android users no nothing about Odin or rooting, that's my point, they are completely reliant upon kies or ota updates being pushed out by the carrier once they've finished adding bloat.
Obviously having an opinion that is different to yours makes me a troll lol, what has this site come too :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:
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Blaming Google and Android that developers make more sophisticated apps requiring better phones and saying it's bad because people can't run them on their old phones isn't an opinion - it's a sign of incredible ignorance or trolling, I assumed you are trolling (or you rant for ranting) but so be it, you're an ignorant, now please go back to using Windows 98, many people still use less than 1 GHz processor PCs so making Windows 8 is stupid, eh?

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Gambolputty said:
Blaming Google and Android that developers make more sophisticated apps requiring better phones and saying it's bad because people can't run them on their old phones isn't an opinion - it's a sign of incredible ignorance or trolling, I assumed you are trolling (or you rant for ranting) but so be it, you're an ignorant, now please go back to using Windows 98, many people still use less than 1 GHz processor PCs so making Windows 8 is stupid, eh?
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And you don't think that this will alienate people from android? If you look in the play store most comments for apps are about the size of them.
As the thread title says, these are my observations after using android for 5 years, I'm entitled to my opinion, as are you, but coming in here and personally attacking me is unacceptable.

Kisses99 said:
why dont you stick to google nexus phones just like apple fans stuck with iphone^_-
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Because a phone with a battery that cannot be removed is unacceptable, to me anyway.
What happens when the battery is knackered? The phone is redundant.
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warfareonly said:
Basically, you have just one problem and that is, updates are not fast enough? That isn't Google's fault at all. OEM's get the source code for the new OS earlier it is made publicly accessible (usually 1-2 weeks after announcement). It is the OEMs which insist of adding more 'features' and bugs and then taking time to release it. If you're using a carrier-subsidised phone, add another six months to it.
In short, get a nexus.
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As above
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pboesboes said:
I don't. The current speed is good. I really don't care if people get upset they are "left behind" (they're really not, as long as you have at least ICS app compatibility is very very good). If you want the latest and the greatest of Android, get a Nexus or a device that's well supported by the community or manufacturer. Samsung also seems to keep their high end devices updated very well these days. Our Notes have been taken all the way from GB to JB and the delay of updates keeps getting smaller.
As said before, you don't need root to flash stock updates. Carriers delay the updates a lot, so just do it yourself. There are plenty of guides out there and it's not hard unless you are computerphobic or something.
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I've been rooting android devices for 5 yrs, I am merely trying to make a point from the point of view of a normal user. People who root and put custom roms on their device are in the minority, in the grand scheme of things.
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kingears said:
As above
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You can't have everything, mate. Somewhere, you have to make compromises. Where you make compromises is your decision.
Also, inbuilt non-removable batteries can be replaced. Only difference is, the service centre will be doing the replacement instead of you.

warfareonly said:
You can't have everything, mate. Somewhere, you have to make compromises. Where you make compromises is your decision.
Also, inbuilt non-removable batteries can be replaced. Only difference is, the service centre will be doing the replacement instead of you.
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Oh I totally agree I can't have everything, life is a compromise.
I just think Google is risking losing out on a lot of 'regular' customers because of its business model.
I stand corrected on the in-built batteries, but then your left with no device whilst its replaced, or not i don't know how long it takes.
Plus I don't think we have service centres in the UK???
Easier to just go to a shop and get a replacement battery there and then.
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