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A harsh reminder of why I abandoned Samsung years ago...

My wife recently upgraded her phone contract to get the new Galaxy S5, and for a relatively small cost extra, they threw in the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition LTE (SM-P605) which I quickly claimed for myself.
However, it was not long before I was reminded why I abandoned Samsung devices years ago in favour of the Nexus range. The first thing I did when I got home was check for a software update. Nothing at all. Very disappointing for two reasons.
1.) It was still running a 4.3 build from August 2013.
2.) There was no multi-user support; something I was relying on so that my wife and I could share the tablet. This was especially strange considering this feature is available in vanilla 4.3.
So after some searching, I was briefly excited to see that the Kitkat update for the 2014 Edition had landed mere days ago. I began scouring the Internet... Turns out, this update is only for the SM-P600!!! ARGH!
A bit more scouring... Verizon have the tablet on their network right? And they are LTE... And I read something about a Kitkat update for their device! Nooooope! That devices is the SM-P605V.
So here I sit, back in the Samsung camp, completely at the mercy of their erratic update-rollout schedules whilst all of their other tablets EXCEPT mine are enjoying the Kitkat goodness.
God only knows when or if I'll even see a 4.4 update on this device - I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: I'm starting to wonder where I could flash the SM-605V ROM on my device. Seems like the only difference is the LTE band support. I only use Wifi at the moment, so if the worst that can happen is that I lose mobile data, I'd be okay with that.

Yes, that is Samsung for you. It feels very annoying but the feeling is soon forgotten after the update is finally released (at least that's the way it went with the old Note). I am also eagerly waiting for Kitkat for my SM-P605..
As it is now, there really is no alternative for Note 2014 edition if you want an Android tablet with high end specs and also want to draw with the tablet. If Google released a 10 inch Nexus tablet with Wacom pen I would probably buy that instead.

StNickZA said:
My wife recently upgraded her phone contract to get the new Galaxy S5, and for a relatively small cost extra, they threw in the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition LTE (SM-P605) which I quickly claimed for myself.
However, it was not long before I was reminded why I abandoned Samsung devices years ago in favour of the Nexus range. The first thing I did when I got home was check for a software update. Nothing at all. Very disappointing for two reasons.
1.) It was still running a 4.3 build from August 2013.
2.) There was no multi-user support; something I was relying on so that my wife and I could share the tablet. This was especially strange considering this feature is available in vanilla 4.3.
So after some searching, I was briefly excited to see that the Kitkat update for the 2014 Edition had landed mere days ago. I began scouring the Internet... Turns out, this update is only for the SM-P600!!! ARGH!
A bit more scouring... Verizon have the tablet on their network right? And they are LTE... And I read something about a Kitkat update for their device! Nooooope! That devices is the SM-P605V.
So here I sit, back in the Samsung camp, completely at the mercy of their erratic update-rollout schedules whilst all of their other tablets EXCEPT mine are enjoying the Kitkat goodness.
God only knows when or if I'll even see a 4.4 update on this device - I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: I'm starting to wonder where I could flash the SM-605V ROM on my device. Seems like the only difference is the LTE band support. I only use Wifi at the moment, so if the worst that can happen is that I lose mobile data, I'd be okay with that.
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Wait..... so your wife upgraded her phone - and they gave you a Note 10.1 2014 LTE for a small cost.... and now you are having a whinge?
Perhaps you could have gone out and bought a 4.4 loaded KitKat tablet instead?
Yes, you will see KK on the device, in the not too distant future.. Its been released on the Verizon version, so the rest of us are not too far behind. And no, as I understand it, the 605v version rom will not boot on the standard 605 device.
If you needed KK for multi-user, perhaps you should have bought a Nexus 7?
In actual fact, the most recent versions of p605 roms (stock) are from November 2013. What build number is the device reporting?

cdinoz said:
Wait..... so your wife upgraded her phone - and they gave you a Note 10.1 2014 LTE for a small cost.... and now you are having a whinge?
Perhaps you could have gone out and bought a 4.4 loaded KitKat tablet instead?
Yes, you will see KK on the device, in the not too distant future.. Its been released on the Verizon version, so the rest of us are not too far behind. And no, as I understand it, the 605v version rom will not boot on the standard 605 device.
If you needed KK for multi-user, perhaps you should have bought a Nexus 7?
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Thanks for the reply.
The reason I didn't "go out and buy a 4.4 tablet" is because I wasn't actually in the market for a tablet at all, least of all a 7 incher. When we walked into the store, I had no idea I'd be walking out with a tablet; it was an impulse purchase. By getting it alongside my wife's new phone, the tablet basically cost about half of what it would have if I'd bought it cash, so it was a bit of a no-brainer. I made the mistake of ASSUMING that a premium tablet with such impressive hardware specs would have already been updated to Kitkat, and at the very least, include multi-user support. This is the crux of my argument really; when you have been using something like a Nexus for so long, you forget how things lag behind in the world of Samsung.
But lets just put things into perspective for a second... Yes, I am upset that there's no Kitkat ROM yet for this device, when other models (of the SAME device) already have it. It is frustrating. Does that mean I am about to throw it in the bin? Of course not. There's nothing wrong with "having a whinge" about Samsung's policies. I'm certainly not the first to do so. It doesn't mean I think that the tablet is junk, or that I regret buying it. On the contrary, I'm still very impressed and happy with the purchase, and I'm hopeful that Samsung will bring out the Kitkat update sooner rather than later, but the lack of reliable information or time-frames is certainly annoying.
And thank you for the heads-up re. the SM-605V ROM; probably best to scratch that idea.

So you buy your devices solely to update them? I've been using the N10.1-14 since October when it came out and have been quite happy with it. 4.4 introduces some improvements I'm looking forward to but it's not like they're required to make the N10.1-14 work. The only thing in your post that seems like a real requirement for you is multi user. So either put it on a shelf and wait for 4.4 or use it yourself until the update comes. I'm not defending Samsung's update process; it's cumbersome and slow. But it's not like their products are unusable or cow dung simply because updates bring a smattering of new features. And updates to Android aren't always beneficial. Google totally borked external SD card access in 4.4 to the point people are staying on or reverting to 4.3.

You bought a device you had no prior intention of doing so on a whim at a reduced price and are upset because the latest updates are not currently available to you...? 1st world problems are terrible ain't they...
You bought it as it is, it works 100% as intended. You have no legal right and should have no expectations to any sort of updates - stop whinging and worry about real issues in the world instead.

@kempas well said sir. Honestly what is up with people it's just an update it makes it look better and makes it faster and blah blah it doesnt exactly change it into a flying machine.
Sent from Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition via Tapatalk.

As I said, I don't want the KitKat update to "make it look pretty or go faster". I want multi-user accounts which is core functionality that was introduced in Android 4.2. It is not unreasonable to expect that it is available in a premium tablet running Android 4.3.

I'm pretty surprised by the direction this thread took...
It seemed to be a pretty reasonable post with concerns and questions about the ROM, posted here in a ROM community, and the response has pretty much been "Shut up and stop whinging"

kempas said:
1st world problems are terrible ain't they...
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Geordie Affy said:
[MENTION=1141807]blah it doesnt exactly change it into a flying machine.
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Made me laugh.
wayned182 said:
I'm pretty surprised by the direction this thread took...
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I'm not. 4.4 started rolling out 10 days ago. The SM-P600 owners in Colombia, the U.S., and Canada that won the "got it first" lottery are ecstatic. Everyone else is pissed, envious, and impatient. Posting their dissatisfaction here isn't going to get them their update any faster and no one here can help them. Logically, Samsung would roll out a few regions and watch the feedback to make sure there wasn't anything they missed in testing that needed correction before the global roll out began in earnest. From past experience, it can take two months for the majority of Samsung devices to receive an update once it begins rolling out. Does that mean we need to endure two months of "where's my update?" and "Samsung sucks!" threads from the unfortunate at the latter end of the roll out?

This really has nothing to do with Samsung. The updates for LTE models are usually sent to their providers before the wifi only updates are pushed [hence the reason Verizon already has it]. It's up to your LTE provider to issue the update.
Same with Nexus. A Nexus device purchased directly from Google will get an update before one purchased from Sprint or T-Mobile.

dkb218 said:
This really has nothing to do with Samsung. The updates for LTE models are usually sent to their providers before the wifi only updates are pushed [hence the reason Verizon already has it]. It's up to your LTE provider to issue the update.
Same with Nexus. A Nexus device purchased directly from Google will get an update before one purchased from Sprint or T-Mobile.
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AFAIK in Spain all P605 are unlocked, no LTE provider sell them.
Enviado desde mi SM-P605 mediante Tapatalk

I don't know why people are getting on the ops back about it. He's absolutely right. Yeah the device still works but it is annoying that you see Ipads and Nexus devices getting timely updates. The most annoying thing about it all is that I can say as a long time Samsung customer that yes its because of the number of devices but mostly it's because they don't care as much about their customers once they've paid for a device.
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poplectic said:
I don't know why people are getting on the ops back about it. He's absolutely right. Yeah the device still works but it is annoying that you see Ipads and Nexus devices getting timely updates. The most annoying thing about it all is that I can say as a long time Samsung customer that yes its because of the number of devices but mostly it's because they don't care as much about their customers once they've paid for a device.
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You kind of hit the nail on the head. People for whom updates are a critical feature shouldn't buy Samsung products. The sheer scale of the number of devices they offer, types of devices (Wi-Fi, 3G, 4G), and overly complex system of different s/w by region makes them notoriously slow at updates. Knowing that I buy their products anyway because I like the quantity and quality of their unique features; most of which aren't available elsewhere. Am I happy about it? No. Did I expect it? Yes. Do I think *****ing about it is going to help? No. Want fast updates? Buy a Nexus or GPe device. It's that simple.

For the life of me I don't understand people that realize that they made a poor personal choice and then want to tell the world how bad of a decision they made. Is this just a way to get sympathy? I see it as a way to publicize poor decision making skills.

StNickZA said:
My wife recently upgraded her phone contract to get the new Galaxy S5, and for a relatively small cost extra, they threw in the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition LTE (SM-P605) which I quickly claimed for myself.
However, it was not long before I was reminded why I abandoned Samsung devices years ago in favour of the Nexus range. The first thing I did when I got home was check for a software update. Nothing at all. Very disappointing for two reasons.
1.) It was still running a 4.3 build from August 2013.
2.) There was no multi-user support; something I was relying on so that my wife and I could share the tablet. This was especially strange considering this feature is available in vanilla 4.3.
So after some searching, I was briefly excited to see that the Kitkat update for the 2014 Edition had landed mere days ago. I began scouring the Internet... Turns out, this update is only for the SM-P600!!! ARGH!
A bit more scouring... Verizon have the tablet on their network right? And they are LTE... And I read something about a Kitkat update for their device! Nooooope! That devices is the SM-P605V.
So here I sit, back in the Samsung camp, completely at the mercy of their erratic update-rollout schedules whilst all of their other tablets EXCEPT mine are enjoying the Kitkat goodness.
God only knows when or if I'll even see a 4.4 update on this device - I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: I'm starting to wonder where I could flash the SM-605V ROM on my device. Seems like the only difference is the LTE band support. I only use Wifi at the moment, so if the worst that can happen is that I lose mobile data, I'd be okay with that.
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I am not sure if this will help you, op. Please do not flame me if it doesn't, but I came across and thought it would be useful...if you have rooted your device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52430137
Never mind, didn't realize you were author of this post too-my bad, sorry

TabGuy said:
For the life of me I don't understand people that realize that they made a poor personal choice and then want to tell the world how bad of a decision they made. Is this just a way to get sympathy? I see it as a way to publicize poor decision making skills.
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Bwah! I've successfully managed to avoid replying to the majority of these idiotic comments, but this is probably the most hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen and I just could not resist.
The very first post of yours that I find is one in which you are bemoaning a bad decision you made. Even the title itself describes your regret over the decision.
Behold : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729705
Seriously, thank you. :laugh:

StNickZA said:
Bwah! I've successfully managed to avoid replying to the majority of these idiotic comments, but this is probably the most hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen and I just could not resist.
The very first post of yours that I find is one in which you are bemoaning a bad decision you made. Even the title itself describes your regret over the decision.
Behold : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729705
Seriously, thank you. :laugh:
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On that subject, what did you hope starting this thread would accomplish? And what's the value you see to the XDA community we're all part of?

StNickZA said:
Bwah! I've successfully managed to avoid replying to the majority of these idiotic comments, but this is probably the most hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen and I just could not resist.
The very first post of yours that I find is one in which you are bemoaning a bad decision you made. Even the title itself describes your regret over the decision.
Behold : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729705
Seriously, thank you. :laugh:
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Touche'

Stop whining and go buy a 10 Nexus tablet with LTE then.
Go ahead.
I'll wait here.

Barely Used My Verizon Moto X 2014 Gonna Get Rid of It

As soon as the Nexus 6 is released on Verizon I am getting it and selling the Moto X 2014. The N6 is too big for me to be my daily driver but I will have to learn to deal with the size because I can root the N6.
I really like the Moto X 2014 but no root really sucks. I am sorry I bought it. Nice leather back, perfect size, great Moto features like active display, assist, etc.
I'm so bummed. But I can't be happy if I can't root and do with my phone what I want. Everytime I look at it I just feel sadness instead of the excitement I felt with my OG Moto X 2013.
The resale value really sucks too. Who would want an Android phone you can't root? Even iPhones have jailbreak!!!! Gah, I would be better off with a Verizon iPhone 6 than a Verizon Moto X 2014. Unbelievable.
I know, it didn't have root before I bought it, I knew. But I had hope that either a code would be available for sale or a dev would get lucky and find an exploit. I really wanted this to be my phone. Oh well, someone else who doesn't care about root will get a good deal.
I've learned my lesson - I will never buy a phone unless root is available BEFORE I buy it. I think if the N6 is just too big, I will get the M9 if it gets root.

JulesJam said:
Gah, I would be better off with a Verizon iPhone 6 than a Verizon Moto X 2014. Unbelievable.
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Wow. Iphone better than android unrooted. You should be ashamed.

JulesJam said:
As soon as the Nexus 6 is released on Verizon I am getting it and selling the Moto X 2014. The N6 is too big for me to be my daily driver but I will have to learn to deal with the size because I can root the N6.
I really like the Moto X 2014 but no root really sucks. I am sorry I bought it. Nice leather back, perfect size, great Moto features like active display, assist, etc.
I'm so bummed. But I can't be happy if I can't root and do with my phone what I want. Everytime I look at it I just feel sadness instead of the excitement I felt with my OG Moto X 2013.
The resale value really sucks too. Who would want an Android phone you can't root? Even iPhones have jailbreak!!!! Gah, I would be better off with a Verizon iPhone 6 than a Verizon Moto X 2014. Unbelievable.
I know, it didn't have root before I bought it, I knew. But I had hope that either a code would be available for sale or a dev would get lucky and find an exploit. I really wanted this to be my phone. Oh well, someone else who doesn't care about root will get a good deal.
I've learned my lesson - I will never buy a phone unless root is available BEFORE I buy it. I think if the N6 is just too big, I will get the M9 if it gets root.
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Why don't you get one from other operator and unlock it?

edios123 said:
Why don't you get one from other operator and unlock it?
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They don't work on Verizon. If it were that simple that is what all of us on Verizon would do.

matt99017d said:
Wow. Iphone better than android unrooted. You should be ashamed.
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LOL! No, Motorola should be ashamed. A jailbroken iPhone is a HUGE IMPROVEMENT over an unrootable Android. Obviously you know nothing about jailbroken iPhones.
Don't be a mindless Android fanboi. iPhones have some good features and if you can jailbreak them they are MILES ABOVE an unrooted Android. Until ICS, Android was a primitive, laggy operating system whose only strong point was the ease of root. From ICS on it is much better but still, without root, it's got nothing on a jailbroken iPhone.

Maybe if it meant that much to you, next time do research before you buy.

dobbs3x said:
Maybe if it meant that much to you, next time do research before you buy.
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Reading comprehension dude, lol!!! Take a course in it, lol!!
Go back and read my post. I KNEW it was unrootable when I bought it. I just had hope that obviously didn't pan out. And now I am very disappointed.
So um no, dude, research isn't the issue. Is English not your first language? Cuz if it is, you need to work on your reading comp skills.

JulesJam said:
LOL! No, Motorola should be ashamed. A jailbroken iPhone is a HUGE IMPROVEMENT over an unrootable Android. Obviously you know nothing about jailbroken iPhones.
Don't be a mindless Android fanboi. iPhones have some good features and if you can jailbreak them they are MILES ABOVE an unrooted Android. Until ICS, Android was a primitive, laggy operating system whose only strong point was the ease of root. From ICS on it is much better but still, without root, it's got nothing on a jailbroken iPhone.
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Not an "android fan boy" I just simply don't like apple what they stand for. Plain and simple. I'll never give them a penny of mine.
JulesJam said:
Reading comprehension dude, lol!!! Take a course in it, lol!!
Go back and read my post. I KNEW it was unrootable when I bought it. I just had hope that obviously didn't pan out. And now I am very disappointed.
So um no, dude, research isn't the issue. Is English not your first language? Cuz if it is, you need to work on your reading comp skills.
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Wow. Got a chip on your shoulder? Take it easy man.

matt99017d said:
Not an "android fan boy" I just simply don't like apple what they stand for. Plain and simple. I'll never give them a penny of mine.
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I don't buy their stuff either but how is an unrootable Android any better? It's not. It's just as locked down.
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Wow. Got a chip on your shoulder?
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Nope, but the poster I was responding to (which wasn't YOU) sure did. He didn't even read my post, lol! Geez, read people read!
One poster told me to get another carrier's Moto X 2014. Wow that was helpful. Not.
Do you even have a Verizon Moto X 2014? I would prefer to only hear from those with VERIZON Moto X 2014 as the rest of you don't know what it is like.

JulesJam said:
Do you even have a Verizon Moto X 2014? I would prefer to only hear from those with VERIZON Moto X 2014 as the rest of you don't know what it is like.
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I don't have one, but looked at one and do know what it is like... which is a big reason why I switched to T-Mobile.
I think your gripe is more with Verizon than Motorola. It is big red that doesn't want you rooting your phone. There were numerous issues with Verizon and Nexus models as well, which is why a number of Nexus models ignored them. Moto isn't Apple. If they want their device registered on big red's network, they have to do as big red says.

Calm down, dude. You have a post that doesn't really contribute anything (complaining about the lack of root on a carrier locked device) and have proceeded to bash everyone in your thread.
And if root matters so much to you, why are you so dependent on a carrier that tries to lock down their devices? Why not get unlocked devices on a GSM carrier? Only reason to stick with big red is if you're grandfathered into unlimited data or if they're literally the only adequate carrier in your area.

I am also thinking about getting rid of Moto X, I am tired of waiting and there is no guarantee that it will be rooted. I really miss xposed and tethering.

Solutions Etcetera said:
I think your gripe is more with Verizon than Motorola. It is big red that doesn't want you rooting your phone. There were numerous issues with Verizon and Nexus models as well, which is why a number of Nexus models ignored them. Moto isn't Apple. If they want their device registered on big red's network, they have to do as big red says.
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I agree but why did they allow the Nexus 6?

Skillinator said:
And if root matters so much to you, why are you so dependent on a carrier that tries to lock down their devices? Why not get unlocked devices on a GSM carrier? Only reason to stick with big red is if you're grandfathered into unlimited data or if they're literally the only adequate carrier in your area.
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So you don't have a Verizon Moto X 2014 right? And LOL! at your other claims.

sherpajosh said:
I am also thinking about getting rid of Moto X, I am tired of waiting and there is no guarantee that it will be rooted. I really miss xposed and tethering.
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I know how you feel and it really is a shame because the phone is great other than lack of root.
I hope the M9 can be rooted. If so I will get that and sell the Nexus b/c I think the Nexus is just going to be too big.

Until it's released, there's no guarantee the bootloader is unlockable, or that it can be rooted, although I'm confident it will be.
Google has much more pull than Moto when it comes to dictating to Verizon about how their device will be used.
You also must be aware that there are no guarantees the M9 will be unlockable or rooted, right? Just because the M7 and M8 were exploitable doesn't mean the M9 will be.
You truly need to use a carrier other than Verizon if you want the freedom to unlock/root your devices. Everyone knows that

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I agree but why did they allow the Nexus 6?
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What? Nexus 6 is like developer phone. Google doesn't allow Verizon to lock it because it's a nexus. Everyone will go with pitchforks to Verizon if they lock nexus. If Verizon insists they want to lock down nexus then Google will say no thanks and Verizon will not carry it.
Motorola or other OEMs don't have the balls to show the middle finger to the worst carrier in the world who craps every phone with ugly logos and locked devices.

For every reason that this thread started is why I left Verizon. My first smartphone was the Motorola Droid. I loved it. There were rumors that VZW would cut off unlimited data if you didn't switch to LTE now (then 2011? I forget)... so I got the best available LTE phone at the time - Samsung Droid Charge. It was the biggest mistake even with root. I vowed to never get another Samsung. Then the Galaxy Nexus happened. I got that but VZW wasn't good at updating it and I wasn't all too happy with the ROMs or its screen burn-in. I held on to that unlimited data as long as possible but good device options were severely lagging. I tried out T-Mobile with a Nexus 4 that went on sale at Google Play. It was a hard decision, but one month later I took control and switched completely to T-Mobile when the Nexus 5 came out. Best. Experience. Yet.
Why am I here? My Moto X PE just arrived and it has in common what my other devices have had - an unlocked/able bootloader. So in a long round-about way, what I'm trying to say is you might be best to switch carriers as mentioned earlier in the thread. If T-Mobile isn't a choice there's always AT&T, or any smaller MVNO, or pre-paid. You'll never have to worry about choices because it's all YOURS to make. If VZW is the only one with adequate service in your area, then it looks like your available device options will be very severely limited. I hardly believe Motorola is the one to blame here.

Cool story bro

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What? Nexus 6 is like developer phone. Google doesn't allow Verizon to lock it because it's a nexus. .
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That's not my point. My point is that VERIZON didn't allow the Nexus 4 or the Nexus 5 on their network. Why did Verizon allow the N6?

Campaign to get a response from Motorola and Verizon

As a community we should make noise in the social network ... Verizon is silent and we do not have we heard .. dates, status, when buying the phone last year told me that in December we would Lillipop .. good and is April Lollipop and does not have time ... we need to campaign all on Twitter recommending not buy the phone .. so no one falls more in our uncertain world, as the Cell has no future .. the DroidTurbo is a like Zombie , no future.
So I hear recommendations .. put something like
No Buy #DroidTurbo @verizon and @motorola no promises with updates, is a SmartPhone with no future
propositions hear

This sounds like a good idea, but since we don't have the biggest community, I'm not sure if Verizon would even care or listen.

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As a community we should make noise in the social network ... Verizon is silent and we do not have we heard .. dates, status, when buying the phone last year told me that in December we would Lillipop .. good and is April Lollipop and does not have time ... we need to campaign all on Twitter recommending not buy the phone .. so no one falls more in our uncertain world, as the Cell has no future .. the DroidTurbo is a like Zombie , no future.
So I hear recommendations .. put something like
No Buy #DroidTurbo @verizon and @motorola no promises with updates, is a SmartPhone with no future
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I support you fully.

Ok, so Lollypop is MIA. Big freekin deal. I upgraded my Nexus 10 to Lollypop. Now, every time I rent a movie on play, I restarts my Nexus and won't play the movie. So I end up watching it on my Turbo or my G3. Lollypop needs 2 stay in the oven until its FULLY baked. Besides, I bet we'd loose our Mofo root if we took the OTA.

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Ok, so Lollypop is MIA. Big freekin deal. I upgraded my Nexus 10 to Lollypop. Now, every time I rent a movie on play, I restarts my Nexus and won't play the movie. So I end up watching it on my Turbo or my G3. Lollypop needs 2 stay in the oven until its FULLY baked. Besides, I bet we'd loose our Mofo root if we took the OTA.
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That isn't necessarily an issue with lollipop. I have same device with lollipop and zero issues.

Oh trust me. Ive been spouting messages to Verizon and Motorola about my turbo not having lollipop on Twitter. Sometimes, I do get a response, but you know they are always auto replies. It's B.S. how quiet they are about this. I know alot of peoples paitents are wearing thin. They just need to give us a honest, straight up response to this issue.

Well, they don't 'need' to tell us anything... Technically. Hell they aren't legally obligated to upgrade it at all, let alone give a status.
But it would be nice.

JasonJoel said:
Well, they don't 'need' to tell us anything... Technically. Hell they aren't legally obligated to upgrade it at all, let alone give a status.
But it would be nice.
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I disagree with you, Officially announced it would upgrade in December ... I went by so instead of a moto x or Sony Z3, it is their obligation to comply, I feel cheated

They honestly do not care, if they did they would have said something by now. You're just wasting your time.

yvmexcl said:
I disagree with you, Officially announced it would upgrade in December ... I went by so instead of a moto x or Sony Z3, it is their obligation to comply, I feel cheated
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Yeah, well a lot of kickstarter projects say they will ship product and don't too. Doesn't mean there is legal recourse.
I do agree it would be nice if they communicated with us more. I just don't agree they are obligated to.

let people tweet and RT .. .. at least get Verizon officially talk
http://twitter.com/hashtag/droidturbo?src=hash

yvmexcl said:
let people tweet and RT .. .. at least get Verizon officially talk
http://twitter.com/hashtag/droidturbo?src=hash
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Just threw in 2 tweets. Come on guys. If everyone spent 2 mins posting a tweet they would really look like sh*t. Just 2 mins!

yvmexcl said:
I disagree with you, Officially announced it would upgrade in December ... I went by so instead of a moto x or Sony Z3, it is their obligation to comply, I feel cheated
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Where was it officially announced? I don't recall seeing anything but unsubstantiated rumors.

Honestly the customers are nobodies. the salesmen are there to talk up a product in order for you to spend money/sign a contract. after that verizon/motorola does not care. motorola mobility is a failing company which is why motorola and google sold it. soon lenovo will know the failure of motorola. We are but a small spec in the verizon market. even I read an article the fact they lost 150k people to t-mobile and sprint, they did not care 2 bits about. you really think a small population of a minute group is going to do anything when they dont care about the loss of 150k people? just sit back, relax and either wait for the update which may or may not come or go buy a new phone.

I gave up and went to the nexus 6. I remember from a soak test that verizon only reported 20k sales at that point in time for the turbo. So we have probably been long forgotten.

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I gave up and went to the nexus 6. I remember from a soak test that verizon only reported 20k sales at that point in time for the turbo. So we have probably been long forgotten.
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If thats the case then let us go, lets us have what we want. BL unlock keys.

I finally got an answer from Verizon support on Twitter. A straight foward one at that. They told me that "We would love to give you a timeline however, we currently dont have one."

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If thats the case then let us go, lets us have what we want. BL unlock keys.
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I still have my turbo sitting on my desk. Waiting for lollipop to fire it back up and switch. I love the phone. Just discouraged after the quick updates to moto xs and the lack of support for their most recent flagship. did my part. hashtagged the turbo and including moto and verizon in it.

Bad idea
Bad idea. Have some patience. The update had some bugs, so maybe they are trying to reduce the bugs. Stop this stupid "campaign" and let them work. They could have said no to making it, because it doesn't take 3 seconds to update it. Try waiting until June. It might be out before then

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Bad idea. Have some patience. The update had some bugs, so maybe they are trying to reduce the bugs. Stop this stupid "campaign" and let them work. They could have said no to making it, because it doesn't take 3 seconds to update it. Try waiting until June. It might be out before then
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Wait until June.... be patient..... NO. We bought a flagship device to avoid fragmentation with regards to the android operating system. It is absolutely ridiculous that Samsung can get Lollipop on their 2013 Flagship the S4 before we can get it on a new device. Moto has had months since Google pushed it to AOSP to make it work and they haven't. Do you think that every other manufacturer didn't have bugs? No they did but they probably stuck to a timeline to satisfy its customers. Honestly if Motorola and Verizon would give us our bootloader unlock keys we would have a working bug free build of Lollipop within 12 hours. I will never buy a non nexus motorola device ever again. So there. RANT OVER.

Send a letter to VZW leadership

I have an idea: if we fill these people's inboxes with emails requesting at least a timeline for lollipop for the DT, then something might happen.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/aboutus/leadership/executive.html
Click on profile, click contact at the bottom of their bio, and fill out your email. The 3 people you want to focus on are David Small, Nicola Palmer, and Shanakar Arumugavelu. Seriously, it only takes like 5 mins and could make a difference.
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Edit 2: If you email, please be professional about it! Also, expect a tech support or executive office call.
Sent from my LP deprived XT1254

What am I missing here. Why is this such a big deal to people? My phone works just fine now that I am rooted. I can see it now we will get the update people want. They will then lose root because of it and just start complaining again. Maybe Verizon should just come out and say something like you will get it by 2016. Then everyone would complain about that. The pattern here is that people just want to complain about something. they always will. I'm not sure why everyone thinks that if they demand it, Verizon will go OH I'm sorry here it is. Too funny. Do you really think they are just sitting there saying how long can we hold it back to screw with everyone? There must still be problems with it. I know, have them just push it now so if it does not work right and jacks up your phone you can complain about that too.

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What am I missing here. Why is this such a big deal to people? My phone works just fine now that I am rooted. I can see it now we will get the update people want. They will then lose root because of it and just start complaining again. Maybe Verizon should just come out and say something like you will get it by 2016. Then everyone would complain about that. The pattern here is that people just want to complain about something. they always will. I'm not sure why everyone thinks that if they demand it, Verizon will go OH I'm sorry here it is. Too funny. Do you really think they are just sitting there saying how long can we hold it back to screw with everyone? There must still be problems with it. I know, have them just push it now so if it does not work right and jacks up your phone you can complain about that too.
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How is Lollipop going for ya? Do you like those new kernel improvements now that you have root?
Oh...

I cannot access my school's Google Apps for Education account on my phone without Lollipop. I am the principal. This is a big deal. I know it is Lollipop because on my previous phone, I also couldn't access it, but after it was updated to Lollipop, I could.

Just to clear things up, I'm not saying VZW should rush the update. I'm all for a bug free experience. I and many others just wish they were a bit more transparent with their info instead of automated tweets and customer service replies.

I have a MUCH better idea
Be patient
They will have it before June most likely
They could release it now and your phone will be destroyed because of your impatience with them.????

DJ_FrozenDoctor said:
I have a MUCH better idea
Be patient
They will have it before June most likely
They could release it now and your phone will be destroyed because of your impatience with them.????
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Why are you defending them so much? Are you a member of the Dev team or the OTA approval team......
You don't get it, you just don't get it. There is no reason an update should take this long. Other manufacturers were able to push them out to their flagship AND IN ADDITION phones that were 2-3 years old faster than this. Our own here at XDA have built lollipop builds for some phones faster than moto and vzw. Get with the program see where we are coming from.
Maybe if they spoke up about the situation we wouldn't all be so distraught.

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Why are you defending them so much? Are you a member of the Dev team or the OTA approval team......
You don't get it, you just don't get it. There is no reason an update should take this long. Other manufacturers were able to push them out to their flagship AND IN ADDITION phones that were 2-3 years old faster than this. Our own here at XDA have built lollipop builds for some phones faster than moto and vzw. Get with the program see where we are coming from.
Maybe if they spoke up about the situation we wouldn't all be so distraught.
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I'm just a person that believe that these "campaigns" are stupid and useless
No, YOU don't get it.-_-
There are millions of reasons an update could take what you think is so long
One of them is bugs
Everything happens for a reason. It is very good that they are taking this amount of time

jake7405 said:
I have an idea: if we fill these people's inboxes with emails demanding at least a timeline for lollipop for the DT, then something might happen.
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A demand would fall more silently than a professionally written letter requesting transparency.
Write it to whom you wish to speak to directly, share information about yourself, and keep it personal.
I once wrote a letter to the CEO of a game company overseas and he replied directly to what I had said and fixed my issue.
There is power in the pen. However remember: a gentle word turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

Very wise words my friend. BTW, I enjoy your app for the BL unlock!
Sent from my XT1254

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Why are you defending them so much? Are you a member of the Dev team or the OTA approval team......
You don't get it, you just don't get it. There is no reason an update should take this long. Other manufacturers were able to push them out to their flagship AND IN ADDITION phones that were 2-3 years old faster than this. Our own here at XDA have built lollipop builds for some phones faster than moto and vzw. Get with the program see where we are coming from.
Maybe if they spoke up about the situation we wouldn't all be so distraught.
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I can understand your frustration with being stuck on 4.4.4 and no information of update date. I have the moto maxx version of droid turbo which is updated to 5.0.2. Believe me, i would be happier if they didn't push their buggy 5.0.2 ota to my device and get updated to 5.1 directly like they will do with the turbo. Android 5.0.2 is buggy as hell with all devices. How do i know about that, i sell and service all of the smartphones, so i listen to my customer, most of them tell me their phone was running better with kitkat before they updated to lollipop. This is true for LG G2-G3, HTC M8, Samsung S5, S4, note 3 users. So, i totally understand verizon and motorola's decision of baking a bug free update for its users, patience is needed.

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I'm just a person that believe that these "campaigns" are stupid and useless
No, YOU don't get it.-_-
There are millions of reasons an update could take what you think is so long
One of them is bugs
Everything happens for a reason. It is very good that they are taking this amount of time
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One of those reasons is also sheer laziness and lack of priority.
Lets put it in perspective.
The differences between 5.0.x and 5.1 do not warrant 6 months of development time to release an update, and thats assuming they release it next month. Starting from the Moto Maxx vendor and device overlay and Turbo props for 5.1, it would take me 2-3 full time days to do it and have it fully working (and I work slow). They likely have more than one person on it too.
I would not have expected them to release 5.1 that quick, but they could have EASILY had a soak out by now. Stop being an apologist for these fools. Motorola or Verizon is dragging their feet, and I suspect its probably more Verizon. Verizon uses regular employees to test OTAs; they don't even have proper testers, probably so they don't have to pay as much for testing. Thats how little regard they have for timeframes and priority.

Semseddin said:
I can understand your frustration with being stuck on 4.4.4 and no information of update date. I have the moto maxx version of droid turbo which is updated to 5.0.2. Believe me, i would be happier if they didn't push their buggy 5.0.2 ota to my device and get updated to 5.1 directly like they will do with the turbo. Android 5.0.2 is buggy as hell with all devices. How do i know about that, i sell and service all of the smartphones, so i listen to my customer, most of them tell me their phone was running better with kitkat before they updated to lollipop. This is true for LG G2-G3, HTC M8, Samsung S5, S4, note 3 users. So, i totally understand verizon and motorola's decision of baking a bug free update for its users, patience is needed.
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it was fine on my Nexus 7.

jake7405 said:
Very wise words my friend. BTW, I enjoy your app for the BL unlock!
Sent from my XT1254
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One of those reasons is also sheer laziness and lack of priority.
Lets put it in perspective.
The differences between 5.0.x and 5.1 do not warrant 6 months of development time to release an update, and thats assuming they release it next month. Starting from the Moto Maxx vendor and device overlay and Turbo props for 5.1, it would take me 2-3 full time days to do it and have it fully working (and I work slow). They likely have more than one person on it too.
I would not have expected them to release 5.1 that quick, but they could have EASILY had a soak out by now. Stop being an apologist for these fools. Motorola or Verizon is dragging their feet, and I suspect its probably more Verizon. Verizon uses regular employees to test OTAs; they don't even have proper testers, probably so they don't have to pay as much for testing. Thats how little regard they have for timeframes and priority.
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No, that NOT a reason.-_-_-
I partly agree
You really think that its that easy, don't you? They might be adding extra to the device. It varies on the device depending on specs.
Maybe the battery keeps dying quickly, like in 1 hour instead of 48-58 hours

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No, that NOT a reason.-_-_-
I partly agree
You really think that its that easy, don't you? They might be adding extra to the device. It varies on the device depending on specs.
Maybe the battery keeps dying quickly, like in 1 hour instead of 48-58 hours
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I am a software developer. I KNOW its that easy. They already have a working vendor and overlay for 5.0.2 to start from. The turbo is not starting from scratch and it does not differ in specs. Your scenario would also affect the Maxx, and I've not seen the battery die in 1 hour. Have you?

adrynalyne said:
One of those reasons is also sheer laziness and lack of priority.
Lets put it in perspective.
The differences between 5.0.x and 5.1 do not warrant 6 months of development time to release an update, and thats assuming they release it next month. Starting from the Moto Maxx vendor and device overlay and Turbo props for 5.1, it would take me 2-3 full time days to do it and have it fully working (and I work slow). They likely have more than one person on it too.
I would not have expected them to release 5.1 that quick, but they could have EASILY had a soak out by now. Stop being an apologist for these fools. Motorola or Verizon is dragging their feet, and I suspect its probably more Verizon. Verizon uses regular employees to test OTAs; they don't even have proper testers, probably so they don't have to pay as much for testing. Thats how little regard they have for timeframes and priority.
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I am a software developer. I KNOW its that easy.
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Do you develop Motorola? If you do then you can say that they "should have" taken a day or less

DJ_FrozenDoctor said:
Do you develop Motorola? If you do then you can say that they "should have" taken a day or less
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No I do not, nor is it relevant.
I didn't say a day or less. Go read again. If little ol' me can get it done in 2-3 days with the right blobs (which we don't have) and an unlocked BL (we also don't have), Motorola can manage a Lollipop release in under 6 months. This is all Verizon.

Building it doesn't take long.
Getting it through their extensive and cumbersome testing and qualification process, however, does take a very long time.
You can argue their qualification process is way too long, and not value added. But that is their decision, and the process they chose/believe in.

JasonJoel said:
Building it doesn't take long.
Getting it through their extensive and cumbersome testing and qualification process, however, does take a very long time.
You can argue their qualification process is way too long, and not value added. But that is their decision, and the process they chose/believe in.
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That sounded a lot like, "the company decides decide the BS to shovel you, eat it with a smile."
IF customers are not happy, they have every right to petition, complain, etc. to vocalize their complaint. Those that enjoy eating what is given to them, you guys simply don't have to read it. Don't undermine their stance because it doesn't apply to you. It isn't customer service if the customers aren't taken care of (no innuendo intended).

Just giving perspective on why it takes longer than just the time to build the software. Per an earlier post.
Complain / petition away. I never said not to.

All Moto X Owners Please Read

Hello, i just wanted bring all of you together to read this thread. Ok so i know since you've been a Moto owner, you've heard or seen at least once insulting comment about your device or the Motorola company. For example, "Anything that Motorola makes sucks" "People only get them because they're cheap" "That phone is crappy". I know that those people are ignorant to other people's liking. I'm tired of hearing the same thing. A lot of people that own super expensive high end- flashy smartphones say things like that about devices like the Moto series. Well that really offends me, just because they might not be the most high-end smartphones or the most expensive smartphones doesn't mean they are worthless. We Moto owners take great pride in our device, we appreciate what we have and we value our smartphones.
If someone offered me a brand new Galaxy S6 and a brand new Moto X and said i could only pick one. I would pick the Moto X hands down without a doubt in my mind. Because I know, We know what matters in a smartphone. What is that? User experience and performance for the price. That's what a review comes down to at the end of the day. A company could make a super spec'd out smartphone but get the same review score as a phone a fraction of its cost. I know if i were to buy a $1000 smartphone it better be great in every aspect and i know if i bought a smartphone for half that price, i'm not expecting it to be perfect but i want to have a good performance. That's exactly what motorola does, it gives you a great performing phone for the price.
For example, the Moto G. It has a low price point but does everything you need it to do. If I want a super powerful gaming machine of a smartphone, I'm not going to buy the Moto G. Then give a bad review for not being able to do what i wanted it to. I'm gonna buy a smartphone with a powerful chipset. At the end of the day we Moto owners stand out. Other people don't seem to understand our taste in smartphones value. Im not saying if you own a super expensive phone you're a bad person or anything. I'm just saying you get what you pay for. All of you Moto owners, good job in picking a smartphone. It doesn't matter if you have a Moto E, a Moto G or a Moto X. We all are equal and unified. #Teammoto
Proof that price doesn't matter

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TL;DR how bout a paragraph break?

I have a Moto X 2013 and I had recently acquired a Samsung Galaxy S4. The S4 ran hotter, slower, and had screen issues. I ended up selling it for less than it cost for me to buy and repair the Galaxy S4. Custom rom support for the samsung galaxy S4 was amazing. I really look forward to seeing how the Moto X 2013 handles with lollipop.

Mods. Please ask the OP to change the title. This was simply wrong.

I would really like sd card slot.

This thread is full of win.

the phone sucks and people posting threads like this are idiots.

andTab said:
the phone sucks and people posting threads like this are idiots.
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You're just jealous you didn't have the idea to create a badass thread like this.

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andTab said:
the phone sucks and people posting threads like this are idiots.
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You're just jealous you didn't have the idea to create a badass thread like this.
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Mods, please do everyone a favor and close this thread. While I truly appreciate someone trying to start something positive here about the Moto X, after the last couple of posts, I can see exactly where this thread is going and it's not a nice place. I'm all for people expressing their opinion but I think that it may be better for everyone that's on this forum to nip it in the bud. It's already starting to go downhill and this thread was started earlier today.
By the way, I do own a Moto X (2013) Developer Edition and think that it's a wonderful phone. The screen went black on the one that I owned all of a sudden a week and a half ago. I called Motorola and got a warranty replacement within one week. Thank goodness I had a Samsung Galaxy S3 that I could use as a backup but when I got my Moto X back, I realized the exact reason why I love the Motorola smartphones. Samsung Galaxy S3 drags when you compare it to the Moto X (2013) Developer Edition.
Glad to have my little speed demon back.
Coming from a proud Motorola Moto X owner.

Motorola is lame in case of updating moto x to lollipop while other phones are being updated as soon as new firmware is available.
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ajsonofgod said:
Motorola is lame in case of updating moto x to lollipop while other phones are being updated as soon as new firmware is available.
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That's odd. The only Android phones that I know of that get the updates as soon as the new firmware is available are the Nexus line of smartphones. All of the other ones, you do have to wait a little while before the update rolls out. You know, sometimes it is not the phone manufacturer's fault that the update is delayed. Sometimes it can be because of something on your wireless phone carrier's end. I know Verizon is famous for delaying the releases until all of their bloatware will work with the phone's update. I've experienced it on multiple phones with them (Samsung and Motorola) and that part is very frustrating. There is no need in throwing Motorola under the bus on this.

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That's odd. The only Android phones that I know of that get the updates as soon as the new firmware is available are the Nexus line of smartphones. All of the other ones, you do have to wait a little while before the update rolls out. You know, sometimes it is not the phone manufacturer's fault that the update is delayed. Sometimes it can be because of something on your wireless phone carrier's end. I know Verizon is famous for delaying the releases until all of their bloatware will work with the phone's update. I've experienced it on multiple phones with them (Samsung and Motorola) and that part is very frustrating. There is no need in throwing Motorola under the bus on this.
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As you see for moto x didnt get the update yet but my s4 got it. M not criticising moto i love my moto x but they are slow in contrast to updates..
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ajsonofgod said:
As you see for moto x didnt get the update yet but my s4 got it. M not criticising moto i love my moto x but they are slow in contrast to updates..
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Well, that's just an anomaly. Normally, Samsung is slow as molasses about their updates. I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 8.0 Wi-Fi model and it hasn't received the Lollipop update yet. My sister has the S5 and she got her Lollopop update fairly quickly but her phone doesn't work as well as my Moto X does now. Wonder if Samsung pushed it out too quickly and didn't get all of the bugs out. Some of my friends have the Samsung phones that got the Lollipop update and while it runs okay, they also have issues with this new update.
Something to ponder. Maybe we ought to be patient and wait for the parties involved to get all the little kinks worked out of this update before they roll it out to everyone.