My wife recently upgraded her phone contract to get the new Galaxy S5, and for a relatively small cost extra, they threw in the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition LTE (SM-P605) which I quickly claimed for myself.
However, it was not long before I was reminded why I abandoned Samsung devices years ago in favour of the Nexus range. The first thing I did when I got home was check for a software update. Nothing at all. Very disappointing for two reasons.
1.) It was still running a 4.3 build from August 2013.
2.) There was no multi-user support; something I was relying on so that my wife and I could share the tablet. This was especially strange considering this feature is available in vanilla 4.3.
So after some searching, I was briefly excited to see that the Kitkat update for the 2014 Edition had landed mere days ago. I began scouring the Internet... Turns out, this update is only for the SM-P600!!! ARGH!
A bit more scouring... Verizon have the tablet on their network right? And they are LTE... And I read something about a Kitkat update for their device! Nooooope! That devices is the SM-P605V.
So here I sit, back in the Samsung camp, completely at the mercy of their erratic update-rollout schedules whilst all of their other tablets EXCEPT mine are enjoying the Kitkat goodness.
God only knows when or if I'll even see a 4.4 update on this device - I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: I'm starting to wonder where I could flash the SM-605V ROM on my device. Seems like the only difference is the LTE band support. I only use Wifi at the moment, so if the worst that can happen is that I lose mobile data, I'd be okay with that.
Yes, that is Samsung for you. It feels very annoying but the feeling is soon forgotten after the update is finally released (at least that's the way it went with the old Note). I am also eagerly waiting for Kitkat for my SM-P605..
As it is now, there really is no alternative for Note 2014 edition if you want an Android tablet with high end specs and also want to draw with the tablet. If Google released a 10 inch Nexus tablet with Wacom pen I would probably buy that instead.
StNickZA said:
My wife recently upgraded her phone contract to get the new Galaxy S5, and for a relatively small cost extra, they threw in the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition LTE (SM-P605) which I quickly claimed for myself.
However, it was not long before I was reminded why I abandoned Samsung devices years ago in favour of the Nexus range. The first thing I did when I got home was check for a software update. Nothing at all. Very disappointing for two reasons.
1.) It was still running a 4.3 build from August 2013.
2.) There was no multi-user support; something I was relying on so that my wife and I could share the tablet. This was especially strange considering this feature is available in vanilla 4.3.
So after some searching, I was briefly excited to see that the Kitkat update for the 2014 Edition had landed mere days ago. I began scouring the Internet... Turns out, this update is only for the SM-P600!!! ARGH!
A bit more scouring... Verizon have the tablet on their network right? And they are LTE... And I read something about a Kitkat update for their device! Nooooope! That devices is the SM-P605V.
So here I sit, back in the Samsung camp, completely at the mercy of their erratic update-rollout schedules whilst all of their other tablets EXCEPT mine are enjoying the Kitkat goodness.
God only knows when or if I'll even see a 4.4 update on this device - I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: I'm starting to wonder where I could flash the SM-605V ROM on my device. Seems like the only difference is the LTE band support. I only use Wifi at the moment, so if the worst that can happen is that I lose mobile data, I'd be okay with that.
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Wait..... so your wife upgraded her phone - and they gave you a Note 10.1 2014 LTE for a small cost.... and now you are having a whinge?
Perhaps you could have gone out and bought a 4.4 loaded KitKat tablet instead?
Yes, you will see KK on the device, in the not too distant future.. Its been released on the Verizon version, so the rest of us are not too far behind. And no, as I understand it, the 605v version rom will not boot on the standard 605 device.
If you needed KK for multi-user, perhaps you should have bought a Nexus 7?
In actual fact, the most recent versions of p605 roms (stock) are from November 2013. What build number is the device reporting?
cdinoz said:
Wait..... so your wife upgraded her phone - and they gave you a Note 10.1 2014 LTE for a small cost.... and now you are having a whinge?
Perhaps you could have gone out and bought a 4.4 loaded KitKat tablet instead?
Yes, you will see KK on the device, in the not too distant future.. Its been released on the Verizon version, so the rest of us are not too far behind. And no, as I understand it, the 605v version rom will not boot on the standard 605 device.
If you needed KK for multi-user, perhaps you should have bought a Nexus 7?
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Thanks for the reply.
The reason I didn't "go out and buy a 4.4 tablet" is because I wasn't actually in the market for a tablet at all, least of all a 7 incher. When we walked into the store, I had no idea I'd be walking out with a tablet; it was an impulse purchase. By getting it alongside my wife's new phone, the tablet basically cost about half of what it would have if I'd bought it cash, so it was a bit of a no-brainer. I made the mistake of ASSUMING that a premium tablet with such impressive hardware specs would have already been updated to Kitkat, and at the very least, include multi-user support. This is the crux of my argument really; when you have been using something like a Nexus for so long, you forget how things lag behind in the world of Samsung.
But lets just put things into perspective for a second... Yes, I am upset that there's no Kitkat ROM yet for this device, when other models (of the SAME device) already have it. It is frustrating. Does that mean I am about to throw it in the bin? Of course not. There's nothing wrong with "having a whinge" about Samsung's policies. I'm certainly not the first to do so. It doesn't mean I think that the tablet is junk, or that I regret buying it. On the contrary, I'm still very impressed and happy with the purchase, and I'm hopeful that Samsung will bring out the Kitkat update sooner rather than later, but the lack of reliable information or time-frames is certainly annoying.
And thank you for the heads-up re. the SM-605V ROM; probably best to scratch that idea.
So you buy your devices solely to update them? I've been using the N10.1-14 since October when it came out and have been quite happy with it. 4.4 introduces some improvements I'm looking forward to but it's not like they're required to make the N10.1-14 work. The only thing in your post that seems like a real requirement for you is multi user. So either put it on a shelf and wait for 4.4 or use it yourself until the update comes. I'm not defending Samsung's update process; it's cumbersome and slow. But it's not like their products are unusable or cow dung simply because updates bring a smattering of new features. And updates to Android aren't always beneficial. Google totally borked external SD card access in 4.4 to the point people are staying on or reverting to 4.3.
You bought a device you had no prior intention of doing so on a whim at a reduced price and are upset because the latest updates are not currently available to you...? 1st world problems are terrible ain't they...
You bought it as it is, it works 100% as intended. You have no legal right and should have no expectations to any sort of updates - stop whinging and worry about real issues in the world instead.
@kempas well said sir. Honestly what is up with people it's just an update it makes it look better and makes it faster and blah blah it doesnt exactly change it into a flying machine.
Sent from Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition via Tapatalk.
As I said, I don't want the KitKat update to "make it look pretty or go faster". I want multi-user accounts which is core functionality that was introduced in Android 4.2. It is not unreasonable to expect that it is available in a premium tablet running Android 4.3.
I'm pretty surprised by the direction this thread took...
It seemed to be a pretty reasonable post with concerns and questions about the ROM, posted here in a ROM community, and the response has pretty much been "Shut up and stop whinging"
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[MENTION=1141807]blah it doesnt exactly change it into a flying machine.
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Made me laugh.
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I'm pretty surprised by the direction this thread took...
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I'm not. 4.4 started rolling out 10 days ago. The SM-P600 owners in Colombia, the U.S., and Canada that won the "got it first" lottery are ecstatic. Everyone else is pissed, envious, and impatient. Posting their dissatisfaction here isn't going to get them their update any faster and no one here can help them. Logically, Samsung would roll out a few regions and watch the feedback to make sure there wasn't anything they missed in testing that needed correction before the global roll out began in earnest. From past experience, it can take two months for the majority of Samsung devices to receive an update once it begins rolling out. Does that mean we need to endure two months of "where's my update?" and "Samsung sucks!" threads from the unfortunate at the latter end of the roll out?
This really has nothing to do with Samsung. The updates for LTE models are usually sent to their providers before the wifi only updates are pushed [hence the reason Verizon already has it]. It's up to your LTE provider to issue the update.
Same with Nexus. A Nexus device purchased directly from Google will get an update before one purchased from Sprint or T-Mobile.
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This really has nothing to do with Samsung. The updates for LTE models are usually sent to their providers before the wifi only updates are pushed [hence the reason Verizon already has it]. It's up to your LTE provider to issue the update.
Same with Nexus. A Nexus device purchased directly from Google will get an update before one purchased from Sprint or T-Mobile.
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AFAIK in Spain all P605 are unlocked, no LTE provider sell them.
Enviado desde mi SM-P605 mediante Tapatalk
I don't know why people are getting on the ops back about it. He's absolutely right. Yeah the device still works but it is annoying that you see Ipads and Nexus devices getting timely updates. The most annoying thing about it all is that I can say as a long time Samsung customer that yes its because of the number of devices but mostly it's because they don't care as much about their customers once they've paid for a device.
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I don't know why people are getting on the ops back about it. He's absolutely right. Yeah the device still works but it is annoying that you see Ipads and Nexus devices getting timely updates. The most annoying thing about it all is that I can say as a long time Samsung customer that yes its because of the number of devices but mostly it's because they don't care as much about their customers once they've paid for a device.
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You kind of hit the nail on the head. People for whom updates are a critical feature shouldn't buy Samsung products. The sheer scale of the number of devices they offer, types of devices (Wi-Fi, 3G, 4G), and overly complex system of different s/w by region makes them notoriously slow at updates. Knowing that I buy their products anyway because I like the quantity and quality of their unique features; most of which aren't available elsewhere. Am I happy about it? No. Did I expect it? Yes. Do I think *****ing about it is going to help? No. Want fast updates? Buy a Nexus or GPe device. It's that simple.
For the life of me I don't understand people that realize that they made a poor personal choice and then want to tell the world how bad of a decision they made. Is this just a way to get sympathy? I see it as a way to publicize poor decision making skills.
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My wife recently upgraded her phone contract to get the new Galaxy S5, and for a relatively small cost extra, they threw in the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition LTE (SM-P605) which I quickly claimed for myself.
However, it was not long before I was reminded why I abandoned Samsung devices years ago in favour of the Nexus range. The first thing I did when I got home was check for a software update. Nothing at all. Very disappointing for two reasons.
1.) It was still running a 4.3 build from August 2013.
2.) There was no multi-user support; something I was relying on so that my wife and I could share the tablet. This was especially strange considering this feature is available in vanilla 4.3.
So after some searching, I was briefly excited to see that the Kitkat update for the 2014 Edition had landed mere days ago. I began scouring the Internet... Turns out, this update is only for the SM-P600!!! ARGH!
A bit more scouring... Verizon have the tablet on their network right? And they are LTE... And I read something about a Kitkat update for their device! Nooooope! That devices is the SM-P605V.
So here I sit, back in the Samsung camp, completely at the mercy of their erratic update-rollout schedules whilst all of their other tablets EXCEPT mine are enjoying the Kitkat goodness.
God only knows when or if I'll even see a 4.4 update on this device - I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: I'm starting to wonder where I could flash the SM-605V ROM on my device. Seems like the only difference is the LTE band support. I only use Wifi at the moment, so if the worst that can happen is that I lose mobile data, I'd be okay with that.
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I am not sure if this will help you, op. Please do not flame me if it doesn't, but I came across and thought it would be useful...if you have rooted your device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52430137
Never mind, didn't realize you were author of this post too-my bad, sorry
TabGuy said:
For the life of me I don't understand people that realize that they made a poor personal choice and then want to tell the world how bad of a decision they made. Is this just a way to get sympathy? I see it as a way to publicize poor decision making skills.
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Bwah! I've successfully managed to avoid replying to the majority of these idiotic comments, but this is probably the most hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen and I just could not resist.
The very first post of yours that I find is one in which you are bemoaning a bad decision you made. Even the title itself describes your regret over the decision.
Behold : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729705
Seriously, thank you. :laugh:
StNickZA said:
Bwah! I've successfully managed to avoid replying to the majority of these idiotic comments, but this is probably the most hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen and I just could not resist.
The very first post of yours that I find is one in which you are bemoaning a bad decision you made. Even the title itself describes your regret over the decision.
Behold : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729705
Seriously, thank you. :laugh:
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On that subject, what did you hope starting this thread would accomplish? And what's the value you see to the XDA community we're all part of?
StNickZA said:
Bwah! I've successfully managed to avoid replying to the majority of these idiotic comments, but this is probably the most hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen and I just could not resist.
The very first post of yours that I find is one in which you are bemoaning a bad decision you made. Even the title itself describes your regret over the decision.
Behold : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729705
Seriously, thank you. :laugh:
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Touche'
Stop whining and go buy a 10 Nexus tablet with LTE then.
Go ahead.
I'll wait here.
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I took delivery of my UK Xoom 3G on 2 May 2011 and fell in love with it. I knew it had bugs but I still loved it because love is blind.
I knew updates would come....I had a Google Experience Device so I just knew I wouldn't be left with a crippled device, so I kept on loving it.
Then 3.1 was released in the US. EXCELLENT I thought, in a couple of weeks we in the UK would also be shown some love by the mighty Motorola. It never came.
Other devices came late to the party and were given these mysterious software updates, my friends mocked me and my wife pleaded with me to get an iPad which would show me the same amount of love as I would give it, but I kept faith...I loved my Xoom you see.
Its now June 19th and Motorola have abandoned me, they refuse to talk to me and refuse to love me back, my poor beautifully built Xoom sits there happily force closing at every opportunity and I sit here pondering how my investment so full of promise has become a mere missed opportunity. How sad....Some relationships aren't meant to be and I for one will now be looking for a divorce. Bye Moto, I hope you can live with yourself
Sent from my Motorola Xoom 3G (now on Ebay)
I have a bit the same feelings like you...! I like my xoom really, but it piss me off that the NEW update policy of google only works in US well! Thats unfair, and this is one point why i would go to apple! Yes i have a lot of rules and things what i CANT do but i get allways software updates, for the next 2years / generations. And everyone gets the updates at the same time...!
And to Moto, Motorola should push google to deliver more update or make it like samsung to update apps over the market!!
For me at the moment, it was my first Moto device and the last one, maybee the last android...
I hoped you signed the petition floating around in here!!
Hay can you send it too me I would love to have a second Xoom. I see your selling it, oh well. Sounded like you should throw it in the garbage as bad as it is.
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My device works perfect I rarely if ever get FCs. My ***** is LTE. I understand that I am one of the very, very few whos device works perfectly. I don't know maybe its the user.
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Hay can you send it too me I would love to have a second Xoom. I see your selling it, oh well. Sounded like you should throw it in the garbage as bad as it is.
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My device works perfect I rarely if ever get FCs. My ***** is LTE. I understand that I am one of the very, very few whos device works perfectly. I don't know maybe its the user.
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You're also in the US. Where we got the 3.1 update. So ours is working better than theirs.
csseale said:
I hoped you signed the petition floating around in here!!
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I have indeed signed the petition (74th signature) on there. Lets hope it makes a difference although I fear it won't
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Hay can you send it too me I would love to have a second Xoom. I see your selling it, oh well. Sounded like you should throw it in the garbage as bad as it is.
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My device works perfect I rarely if ever get FCs. My ***** is LTE. I understand that I am one of the very, very few whos device works perfectly. I don't know maybe its the user.
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Yes mate spot on its me the user who is at fault, I also take responsibility for the unfinished OS Google allowed to be released and the lack of any updates outside of the US ruining my experience with this device! All my fault
andyiacovou said:
I have indeed signed the petition (74th signature) on there. Lets hope it makes a difference although I fear it won't
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But at least they SEE
andyiacovou said:
Yes mate spot on its me the user who is at fault, I also take responsibility for the unfinished OS Google allowed to be released and the lack of any updates outside of the US ruining my experience with this device! All my fault
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I knew you were going to take it that way because that's how people think. I was referring to me overclocking, unlocking and rooting. Having a device that I can play with and not one locked down. Thats what I mean by the user.
Let me ask you this:
Do you have an Android phone?
Let me also add this:
If you would have said that you were going to a Transformer or a HTC View then I would have thought it was the device. Instead you said a iPad which means its the operating system and using the device that you don't like. Maybe your Xoom is defective. Did you try getting it replaced?
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I knew you were going to take it that way because that's how people think. I was referring to me overclocking, unlocking and rooting. Having a device that I can play with and not one locked down. Thats what I mean by the user.
Let me ask you this:
Do you have an Android phone?
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Yes I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 and its amazing. I also had a Dell Streak 5 and a Galaxy Tab (original) so am very used to the Android OS. I did not say I was getting an Ipad, I said my missus wants me to get one because she feels its the best available 10" finished tablet solution at the moment....
I have considered the Asus Transformer but I need 3G and a 3G version is not available yet. The Galaxy 10.1 is also not yet available in the UK. I do not feel confident rooting and installing custom ROM's and to be honest I shouldn't have to go down this route to get a working product, especially one which cost me £580
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Yes I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 and its amazing. I also had a Dell Streak 5 and a Galaxy Tab (original) so am very used to the Android OS. I did not say I was getting an Ipad, I said my missus wants me to get one because she feels its the best available 10" finished tablet solution at the moment....
I have considered the Asus Transformer but I need 3G and a 3G version is not available yet. The Galaxy 10.1 is also not yet available in the UK. I do not feel confident rooting and installing custom ROM's and to be honest I shouldn't have to go down this route to get a working product, especially one which cost me £580
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Ya it sucks that other country versions of the Xoom suck so bad that is lame. We don't do apple in our house as a matter of fact we don't even speak of it. Also I did not root to fix problems I root so I can overclock and backup my device. So basically you bring that baby home turn it on and its FC city, wow.
If you like your Xoom so much why havent you done what lots of others have done, Root it and Load the US Version, I have to say though its still not perfect.. There are no good Office apps out there so its far from being capable of being used for business. Facebook App force closes quite regularly, the mail app looks a bit mickey mouse and basic. What I wouldnt give for Thunderbird and Open Office on it!!!..
Non-US Xoom is not Google Experience device, thats what I read in many Xoom forum posts. So, thats why you dont get update directly from Google. I read from Moto forums that it will be updated in couple of months.
Granted, thats not good enough. Couple of months is way too long.
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Non-US Xoom is not Google Experience device, thats what I read in many Xoom forum posts. So, thats why you dont get update directly from Google. I read from Moto forums that it will be updated in couple of months.
Granted, thats not good enough. Couple of months is way too long.
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If i'd known on the 2nd May that it's wasn't a GED and updates would be this slow, I probably wouldn't have purchased it. I don't think anyone knew at that point!
People keep telling me to root and flash US ROM, but as well as losing my 3g and voiding my warranty, I'm not sure I want to risk it and why should I?
Sent from my Xoom 3G
I'd be tempted to mention your dissatisfaction on the Motorola Facebook page too. Perhaps a little naming and shaming will push them a little harder, other than that, it may give other prospective European customers a little insight into the current support situation?
http://www.facebook.com/motorolaeurope
hey you guys I just popped in here from the transformer forum, I would think that google is not at fault with OTA updates only the state of 3.1 at the moment. my transformer was on 3.0 when it arrived on the first of June, and an update was available straight away. Ordered in the UK and shipped to spain. Same with my desire HD quickly updated to gingerbread. Its a Moto Thing.
Just glad Asus have gone down the same route as HTC, Great design and features just need the bugs in honeycomb ironing out now.
Just done mine this afternoon. Now on 3.1 with SD card support and 3G. Like you say though, shame I had to void my warranty in order to get a working device....
It really is a shame that moto has gone down this route of misleading its customers. I have owned a few android devices over the past 2 years from different manufacturers ; however the Xoom is my first device from moto and will most definitely be the last one from them.
The only reason that the US Xoom has gotten the 3.1 update (which isn't perfect, but addresses many of the 3.0 glitches) is because its backed by Google (GED)
Many many people outside the US have bought the Xoom fully expecting it to be a GED and rightfully so. Seems that once moto got their money the relationship was promptly ended.
I'm not sure if this applies to you, but over here, the Xoom does NOT come with the Google logo on the back.. this seems to be the indicator as to whether or not its a GE.
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Just done mine this afternoon. Now on 3.1 with SD card support and 3G. Like you say though, shame I had to void my warranty in order to get a working device....
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What I really need is a simple step by step guide to rooting, flashing the US ROM and get my 3g working. Sounds a lot to ask but if anyone can help I would be really grateful and might convince me to keep it.
I've looked at some of the threads in the development section but they are a little complicated to follow
Sent from my Xoom 3G
Motorola have been promising Australian Xoom WI-FI owners an upgrade to ICS for a while now, to be delivered on Thursday June 21st.
Right up until yesterday the info was the same, so did we get it?
Of course not, they shafted us!
They released WI-FI and 3G ICS to Telstra, their biggest Australian customer, and told the rest of us they have no idea when we will now get it.
They even trot out the old rubbish about the WI-FI version being tested by carriers, as if we are all stupid.
I predict this will seriously reflect badly on Motorola, with many people on Facebook letting it be known that they will never buy from the company again.
Motorola, you blew it, big time!
Hence I moved to custom roms sometime last year. I was sick of delayed OTA updates and the like
They claim to be on Facebook all day, from 9am til 6pm, and have been every day, until today!
They sneaked on at 9am, posted the bad news, and haven't been back all day.
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Motorola have been promising Australian Xoom WI-FI owners an upgrade to ICS for a while now, to be delivered on Thursday June 21st.
Right up until yesterday the info was the same, so did we get it?
Of course not, they shafted us!
They released WI-FI and 3G ICS to Telstra, their biggest Australian customer, and told the rest of us they have no idea when we will now get it.
They even trot out the old rubbish about the WI-FI version being tested by carriers, as if we are all stupid.
I predict this will seriously reflect badly on Motorola, with many people on Facebook letting it be known that they will never buy from the company again.
Motorola, you blew it, big time!
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Couldn't you change your regional settings and receive the update? When I ordered my first wifi xoom, I received it and it had the singapore install on it. I then google'd how to change to USA, and it took me all of 10 minutes. Once I rebooted, it automatically updated.
Just a thought.
Hi, I'm looking into turning my Xoom into a GED, like the US ones, but I need to be in the mood, as I'm quite a n00b at these things, it also wipes, which I wanted to avoid.
http://www.simonjstuart.com/2011/07/23/gedify-your-non-us-wifi-xoom-for-n00bs/ this should be.what you are looking for deanbilly
Thanks Tech, that's the one I found, I'm just plucking up the courage to do it. :good:
I know how you feel, here in the UK we also receive absolutely no support from Motorola, all owners still waiting on the ICS update.
Go drop the GED image on it, I did.
... and steer clear of buying any more Motorola products unless you move to the US.
I too was waited for ages and was let down. A question if you change regional settings do you lose what's on your tablet? Same question when you update is it a clean install or does all games/app data stay on?? I have never upgraded tablet or android
I feel for you, man, but on the other side, it can't be as bad as it is in Brazil. Motorola here is simply absent. They give no feedback, no suport whatsoever.
A few weeks ago I called them inquiring about the ICS upgrade for the Xoom (3G, MZ605), and whoever was on the other side barely knew what ICS was.
Prior to the Xoom, the last Motorola device I had was the StarTac Elite, back in the 90's, and that was one great phone. I had 3 Motorola phones in a row back then. I got the Xoom based on that experience, and the only reason I don't regret it is because I've taken the plunge and gone ICS 4.0.4 with my Xoom (EOS Nightlies 79). If it was up to Motorola, I'd be sorry I got that device.
Seriously People..... Shafted by Motorola.....You're on XDA FFS. This is not really the place to have this sort of discussion.... Have you read the Samsung Galaxy Tab Forum, Full of people whining about lack of manufacturer support, Please don't take the Motorola Forums the same way.
I can understand your frustration, eagerly awaiting for an official device update only to receive what looks like a "shafting" from motorola......but again, WTF are you at XDA for if it's not to customize your device with the shiny new toys and all the info on upgrading, changing to a GED/US Version and getting said update etc are contained to in these forums, most are noob friendly.
If voiding the warranty etc bothers you than you're probably in the wrong place, Screw the Warranty, Screw the manufacturer, they've already screwed you. It's your device don't rely on them for anything after you've bought it, they've already had you're money and it's already an obsolete device to them......Interestingly lets not forget who owns Motorola! (although that's just Trivia)
Not to come across as a complete A*hole, here's the guide/update I used last to take a UK WIFI Xoom to ICS.... I don't even know if Motorola have released ICS on WIFI in europe, more to the point It doesn't matter/I don't care, I've had ICS since December on the Xoom.
With regard to losing all your data....Yes It will wipe your device. Here's what you do
get a good backup program, one that backs up the individual databases.
Sync your contacts to your google account,
Backup your apps to your google account - than it will download them all when you sign back in after update.
Backup the device fully using a nandroid backup from recovery then if anything goes wrong you can always return to that.
Sorry If this comes across as "Stand-offish" and don't take it personally after all I'm just some guy on the internet It just needed to be said as I've started to notice a few threads like this, for something that isn't an really an issue we have everything to workaround this.
Sorry If this comes across as "Stand-offish"
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Yes it does, thank you very much, also nasty and unnecessary.
Who the **** are you to tell me, or anyone else, what I should post here?
It's people like you who ruin this place for so many people, why can't you just do your thing and mind your own business?
i understand the frustration, im also using mz 601. install custom rom is not my thing. but what i dont understand why motorola took so long to update to ics. and why asus user doesn't have to wait so long to update hence asus is not using stock pure android.
Just seen the news on Xperia Blog.
The Xperia Tablet Z could see KitKat in May 2014!
Yeah, right after the Tablet Z2 hits the shelves, so those who can't wait will buy the new one
If i have the money I'll buy the new one
Otherwise I'm happy that the Tablet Z is getting Kit Kat
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Just bought a Z
Pretty happy with it at the moment but I can't believe there is no APP2SD support in stock ROM, hoping we get it in 4.4
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Just bought a Z
Pretty happy with it at the moment but I can't believe there is no APP2SD support in stock ROM, hoping we get it in 4.4
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We won't, google has placed some heavy Sd card restrictions on kit kat
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We won't, google has placed some heavy Sd card restrictions on kit kat
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:/ OK I won't go to official 4.4 then.. Can anyone recommend a stable ROM with APP2SD support?
Xperia Tablet Z 2... screw that... I'm never buying nothing from Sony again. There's no excuse for updates taking this long. As much as I love and baby my tab Z like another child... being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... I know its not just Sony's fault, Google is to blame as well. OS FRAGMENTATION issues... thats a laugh... once an update is out these manufacturers should be getting the ball rolling, but they are not. They wait until a new product is in the makes and then they finally do something with the update. Its just not right.
I just don't have enough middle fingers to hold up to those guys. I pay top dollar for a premium product, I expect premium support for that product as well. Otherwise I might as well buy the discount low price no-name piece of hardware that has all the latest technology and latest O/S cause then I can afford to replace it every 6 months to a year instead of expecting support for cutting edge in technology I think will last a few years.
I agree that updates take too damn long but its not only Sony, all manufacturers take ages to roll new updates
Sadly only nexus devices have the privilege of fast updates
But its better to get an update even if late than to get nothing at all, some manufacturers like lg or samsung don't even bother
You might say samsung does update thier devices but the only devices they care to update are the Note and The Galaxy S line, the rest? Stuck in the mud
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Xperia Tablet Z 2... screw that... I'm never buying nothing from Sony again. There's no excuse for updates taking this long. As much as I love and baby my tab Z like another child... being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... I know its not just Sony's fault, Google is to blame as well. OS FRAGMENTATION issues... thats a laugh... once an update is out these manufacturers should be getting the ball rolling, but they are not. They wait until a new product is in the makes and then they finally do something with the update. Its just not right.
I just don't have enough middle fingers to hold up to those guys. I pay top dollar for a premium product, I expect premium support for that product as well. Otherwise I might as well buy the discount low price no-name piece of hardware that has all the latest technology and latest O/S cause then I can afford to replace it every 6 months to a year instead of expecting support for cutting edge in technology I think will last a few years.
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I'm curious, other than the Nexus lineup, who would you say offers faster upgrades? Nexus has the benefit of internal Google development being applied when creating the update. Additionally....it also has NO OS MODIFICATIONS. That's one of the biggest hurdles. All the changes to the OS that companies do, require additional development time. That's in addition to any new drivers that have to be created and tested for components that exist in this particular device, that weren't in the Nexus devices.
So what manufacturer besides Sony would you purchase from who does not have that same issue? I ask because you indicate you'd just continually buy new cheaper devices. Even many new launch devices currently do not come with 4.4.2 loaded on them. Those that do, only have been showing up in the last month or so at best, and normally are NOT the cheap models.
We have already received one major update on the Tablet Z. We just received a minor update the other month and are due for another major update within 2 months. Seems relatively quick to me.
4.4.2 launched in December for Nexus devices. Most manufacturers would not want to jump on 4.4 cause they know there'll be quick follow up updates. And 4.4.1 was only a few weeks before that. Most nexus devices didn't have 4.4.2 until late December or early January. It's the end of March now, and we're already targeted to receive the update in May. Granted it could be late May or even June for certain models, but they just recently got 4.3 out there, so they jumped onto 4.4 pretty quickly.
Also, this sentence: " being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... " Can you clarify to me what special treatment you are supposed to get since you are in Canada? Are they some type of "mobile OS priority" country?
It's better late than never... I think the update timeline of Sony is fair enough.. 4.1.2, 4.2.2, 4.3 and soon 4.4.2. we have many options for our tatse.. in my part, my concern is how good would be the next update..i hoping for a lesser bugs(bug free would be better) in 4.4.2..that's all..
IOS by the way has an update twice a week. so if anybody here wants a quick/frequent update..IOS is an option..hehehe
It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs... apps that should work proper doesnt (ex: Mx player audio bug; WIFI problems disconnecting every 15-20 minutes when connecting to networks with other streaming apps) New version = fixed problems... but that is not the case. And to the fellow that commenting about me being from canada... well I noticed there are different versions of firmware all over the world... and it seems over here we get the updates last... thats what I was refering to. (311, 312 wifi) Sure they can release updates untill the cows come home... but if they are not fixing the problems that are currently on the device.. it dont mean crap.
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It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs... apps that should work proper doesnt (ex: Mx player audio bug; WIFI problems disconnecting every 15-20 minutes when connecting to networks with other streaming apps) New version = fixed problems... but that is not the case. And to the fellow that commenting about me being from canada... well I noticed there are different versions of firmware all over the world... and it seems over here we get the updates last... thats what I was refering to. (311, 312 wifi) Sure they can release updates untill the cows come home... but if they are not fixing the problems that are currently on the device.. it dont mean crap.
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First thing first: I use MX Player I don't have any audio problems. No WiFi problems also.
About the Canada thing, believe me, Brazil takes even more time. But, that's isn't Sony fault. I mean, they don't put a World Map, play Darts with it, and the updates rolls out in order that the countries are hit. I don't know exactly the reason, but there is one. It is normally staged rollout. If there are problems, they can know already about it and start working. At least the number of people with the problem will be lower.
There are no different fw versions all over the world. There is .101 for LTE models, and .109 for WiFi models. The difference relies on country related crap built in. Last but not least, you can always grab a ftf and flash the fw yourself if you want.
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It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs... apps that should work proper doesnt (ex: Mx player audio bug; WIFI problems disconnecting every 15-20 minutes when connecting to networks with other streaming apps) New version = fixed problems... but that is not the case. And to the fellow that commenting about me being from canada... well I noticed there are different versions of firmware all over the world... and it seems over here we get the updates last... thats what I was refering to. (311, 312 wifi) Sure they can release updates untill the cows come home... but if they are not fixing the problems that are currently on the device.. it dont mean crap.
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As previously stated, while the two issues you mention are something others experience, "most" owners are not having those issues. Yes, MOST people do not have those issues. Only the small percentage that are vocal on the boards and a few others. I'm not trying to diminish your experience, but while I'm sure it's frustrating, I don't think it's probably Sony's top priority with only a minority having these issues.
That said, I just wouldn't slam Sony overall for it, but if it leaves a bad taste in your mouth that's fine. Honestly, with how new this technology still is, to thing that the devices being produced are already at this quality level, with less than 5-6 years of legacy production on most of them, is pretty impressive.
Ever heard of AOSP?
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KanjiMan1977 said:
It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs...
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THIS Quote right here sums it up...
You want a better OS? Either have patience, or go unlock bootloaders and load AOSP Google Nexus OS. Better "functionality"? Well WAIT for Sony developers instead of "RUSHING" them, then you wont find "full of bugs..."
See, we are so spoiled, we all want, NOW NOW NOW NOW NAAAAOOOO.
How about changing pace? Be patient. Seriously, i mean other than companies like SONY (Who actually LOVE AND ENCOURAGE THE DEV WORLD) actually puts out great product. I'm not trying to bash on Samsung and all, but I would rather be with Sony Products than Samsung or HTC that likes to "scrimp" on hardwares and "overcharge" the masses.
Here's the kicker.... THEY DON'T "LOVE" or "ENCOURAGE" DEVELOPERS WORLD. Example, Samsung started to lock down their stuff with SELinux and Knox, even circuit electric locking your phone. (Means that it locks you out permanently and will brick you phone if you try to downgrade, or such. I forgot the actual wording.)
So, really, have more patience in this world.
I know I do. I haven't upgraded, just because mine is PERFECTLY working the way I want it. WiFi works, it's not botchy like some, still on 4.1.2, loaded XMB, casting great on my tv, and rooted. Plus even loaded the dual recovery. Not bootloader unlocked. And I even did that patch to make the rebooting stop while i take out the bloat, WHICH amazingly enough, the bloat was LESS THAN WHAT I HAD IN MY SAMSUNG S3 PHONE. I mean, WAY LESS.
Oh, I have both N7 and N10, (Yes, i'm spoiled), and both stock, ran against my Z Tab, and Antutu scored way higher than both Nexus 7 or the 10. I made both Nexuses barebones, no google, and ran Antu, and still my Sony topped them.
BE GREAT FULL THAT YOU HAVE A FUNCTIONING DEVICE
/my2cents
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Xperia Tablet Z 2... screw that... I'm never buying nothing from Sony again. There's no excuse for updates taking this long. As much as I love and baby my tab Z like another child... being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... I know its not just Sony's fault, Google is to blame as well. OS FRAGMENTATION issues... thats a laugh... once an update is out these manufacturers should be getting the ball rolling, but they are not. They wait until a new product is in the makes and then they finally do something with the update. Its just not right.
I just don't have enough middle fingers to hold up to those guys. I pay top dollar for a premium product, I expect premium support for that product as well. Otherwise I might as well buy the discount low price no-name piece of hardware that has all the latest technology and latest O/S cause then I can afford to replace it every 6 months to a year instead of expecting support for cutting edge in technology I think will last a few years.
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Even if you where correct about Sony taking long to come with updates which I don't think they are compared to others. We get the update and is it not better to get a stable update with apps updated aswell rather than a rushed update. Yes I can't wait for the update as well but after all will it really make that big of a difference that having to wait a bit longer is a huge problem?
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Even if you where correct about Sony taking long to come with updates which I don't think they are compared to others. We get the update and is it not better to get a stable update with apps updated aswell rather than a rushed update. Yes I can't wait for the update as well but after all will it really make that big of a difference that having to wait a bit longer is a huge problem?
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A huge international company like Sony, you would think they would have a huge development team for android devices since they have made quite a few already, should be able to keep up with the new versions of android as they come out (meaning a month or two after its release). Not just Sony but all the major brands. They are practically given the complete code to begin with, so pretty much just have to update all their bloat.
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As previously stated, while the two issues you mention are something others experience, "most" owners are not having those issues. Yes, MOST people do not have those issues. Only the small percentage that are vocal on the boards and a few others. I'm not trying to diminish your experience, but while I'm sure it's frustrating, I don't think it's probably Sony's top priority with only a minority having these issues.
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Actually yes I have these issues that is another reason why it is fustrating. Update after update that doesn't fix the same problems.
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4.4.2 launched in December for Nexus devices. Most manufacturers would not want to jump on 4.4 cause they know there'll be quick follow up updates. And 4.4.1 was only a few weeks before that. Most nexus devices didn't have 4.4.2 until late December or early January. It's the end of March now, and we're already targeted to receive the update in May. Granted it could be late May or even June for certain models, but they just recently got 4.3 out there, so they jumped onto 4.4 pretty quickly.
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So since you know when all the other versions came out... why didn't you mention that 4.3 version we JUST got, was out since mid-late October? (for Nexus)... that would be... what 5 months... a month short of half a year.
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Also, this sentence: " being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... " Can you clarify to me what special treatment you are supposed to get since you are in Canada? Are they some type of "mobile OS priority" country?
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Dude I never asked for special treatment... when an update comes out it seems like we are near the end of the lineup a month or two after everyone else. I guess the Brazilian guy understands my greif... cause it does seem like they throw darts at a map sometimes.
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Here's the kicker.... THEY DON'T "LOVE" or "ENCOURAGE" DEVELOPERS WORLD. Example, Samsung started to lock down their stuff with SELinux and Knox, even circuit electric locking your phone. (Means that it locks you out permanently and will brick you phone if you try to downgrade, or such. I forgot the actual wording.)
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Actually you have no clue what you are talking about. I own a Note 3 and it doesn't do any of that... do you even know what KNOX is for? Its for buisness apps that access your companys secure network. (It was a toss up between Note 3 and the z2... and I just didnt like the z2 bezzel it seemed oversized on the top and bottom) And actually they really are not that friendly to the developer world... they just dont want to spend the money to fix every little exploit cause people are going to flash roms and unlock bootloaders, and brick their devices and send them back no matter what they do so they might as well quit an sit back and wait for others to do the work for them. Anyone who has a ps3 or similar products would know what Im talking about.
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Yes I can't wait for the update as well but after all will it really make that big of a difference that having to wait a bit longer is a huge problem?
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Sure... I CAN wait for an update as long as all the previous issues have been addressed and not causing new issues (re: 5 minute shut down, and high battery drain)
But the point I'm actually trying to make is 6 months is too long for an update but no one else here seems notice. All the internet talk about fragmentation issues with all these devices with different android versions. An android version comes out... it shouldnt take more than two months to develop and distribute an update its not like Sony employs one or two people to do this task ( Or HTC or Samsung etc...) The average life span of an android device is a year to two years. (and yes I usually get a new phone pretty close to every year i always try to get the latest and greatest NON APPLE products) But whatever I dont even know if I want Kit Kat after all I have heard, thats the main reason why I havent flashed AOSp or some other rom cause they dont completely work, theres always something that remains broken. When official kit Kat comes out... if it fixes the current issues sure why not.
I will not quote the whole post because it is too long, but... Sony has Ben loosing a lot of money lately, as a whole. Even though Sony Mobile is winning more than losing, the whole company is losing. And, no, they don't have a huge team of developers to take care of that.
Until Sony bought the Sony Ericsson joint venture, all of Sony smartphone development (both hardware and software) was done in Sony Ericsson hoke country. After Sony bought it, they decided to slowly shift both software and hardware development to Sony Japan. That caused a whole huge mess...
Even though Sony Japan had enough manwork, they weren't talented as the software developers from the old SE. They had transfered the 4.1.2 update for S from SE to Japan. Japan messed up the update pretty bad, and SE team (I just can't remember the country name lol) had to work to fix it, while working on the 4.2.2 for newer devices...
So now they have a relatively small dev team, but a very talented one
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Actually you have no clue what you are talking about. I own a Note 3 and it doesn't do any of that... do you even know what KNOX is for? Its for buisness apps that access your companys secure network. (It was a toss up between Note 3 and the z2... and I just didnt like the z2 bezzel it seemed oversized on the top and bottom) And actually they really are not that friendly to the developer world... they just dont want to spend the money to fix every little exploit cause people are going to flash roms and unlock bootloaders, and brick their devices and send them back no matter what they do so they might as well quit an sit back and wait for others to do the work for them. Anyone who has a ps3 or similar products would know what Im talking about.
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I actually do know what KNOX is. I also do know what i'm talking about. I have Knox on my government phone. And I wasn't talking about having a Z2 or it's damn oversized bezzel, I was just simply stating that Sony has a better handle on the developer world, compared to other companies such as HTC or Samsung. Seriously, do you think they like the idea that you are putting a custom ROM on your Note 3? SELinux = On Note 3 = Enforcing. Knox will monitor if you "tamper" with the Note 3. You change those values, you think they'll HONOR your "bricked" device because you "Unlocked the Bootloaders" and "Customized the ROM"? Try it...
And so, "they are really not that friendly to the developer world".... and Samsung is? Ha. Thanks for giving me the laughs.
I do own a PS3, but i never had to send them back. I'm not sure how "PS3" is actually added in this conversation.
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So since you know when all the other versions came out... why didn't you mention that 4.3 version we JUST got, was out since mid-late October? (for Nexus)... that would be... what 5 months... a month short of half a year.
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Strange, I updated my SGP312 to official 4.3 through PC companion app more then 3 months ago...
Ive been with aamsung since the s3 days. Before i was a sense guy for the longest. Now with samsung waiting ages to release lollipop for a phone that cost me almost 900$ im almost fed up and really want to go another route next time i buy a phone..
Buy a Nexus then and enjoy beta testing? Getting any update is a crapshoot for pretty much any other OEM and varies from phone to phone...
$900. You got ripped off. LoL
Sorry man, just because they don't give your phone an update is not justice to say off with your head. They did not leave you with a broken non functioning phone. Whats next are we gonna put together a class action lawsuit. I still say samsung always has had the best hardware when it comes to phones. That's what intrigued me was the hardware not android. I used to be an HTC guy too back in the day. I switched because samsung phones always outperformed the HTC. This is still true to this date. If you mad cuz they haven't updated to lollipop, well that is just crazy.
I love Samsung, in fact most of my electronics are Samsung....no issues what so ever. FYI....I would've paid $900 with no problem, but it didn't cost no where near that.
Why r u so worried about getting lollipop? It's pretty crappy still. I have 5.0.1 on my Shield tablet it's got a bunch of weird bugs. I also have 5.0.2 on my nexus 5 and it's a piece of shirt now because of it.
Sometimes it's not best to be first. If you want lollipop so bad flash an AOSP ROM and deal with all the bugs just like everyone else is.
I have no issues with house this phone runs on TW. It's way better than either of my Lollipop devices.
The grass always looks greener. But tbh lollipop I'd looking like a huge fail. Hopefully 5.1 will fix a bunch of issues.
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If you want the fastest updates, get a Nexus. If you want spectacular hardware and a polished looked, keep your Samsung.
So is there a magical bug that makes every OEM skinned device a brick when Google releases a new version of android? Is your phone somehow less useful?
Am I the only one who is not anxious for lollipop to drop? I'm perfectly happy with kit Kat at the moment. It was a different story from Gb to ICS back in the Galaxy S2 days.
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Why r u so worried about getting lollipop? It's pretty crappy still. I have 5.0.1 on my Shield tablet it's got a bunch of weird bugs. I also have 5.0.2 on my nexus 5 and it's a piece of shirt now because of it.
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Agreed. Nexus 7 and Shield Tablet. Lollipop is a complete mess. I can't believe they released it at all so far. Disappointed.
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Sigh, some folks get so dramatic over things. Outside of Nexus devices, other OEMs are not significantly different than Samsung. A month or two either way doesn't change the lifetime enjoyment of a device.
Would you rather have a device with an inferior screen, no S-pen, lesser performance, less functionality, a worse camera, etc? The Note 4 has been tops since it was released and will be top dog until the new phones come out at MWC.
Also - Samsung is updating the Note 2 with Lollipop- that's 2.5 years after release. Have other OEMs committed to updating their phones from 2012?
Well let's see. I've been a fan of amhung since the captivate days(galaxy s series)so that pretty much makes me a die hard amhung fan. Will I choose a different brand phone? Probably not. ?
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I love Samsung products. I've become a little bored with there design philosophy but as a whole I think there as good as it gets. I personally could careless how long it takes for the update as long as everything works like it's supposed to and as of right now it does with KitKat. Like others said, there have been a lot of bugs with LP so far and I'm kind of glad there taking there time instead of rushing it and needing to push several updates. If they were to push it and things were messed up, most of the people complaining about it taking so long would then complain about that.
And then when we finally get Lollipop there will be 20 threads about how bad/buggy it is and a bunch of people constantly asking how to flash back to KitKat.
I am using my iPhone 6+ until lollipop is released.
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I don't get all the hate on lollipop. I have it on my N7, had it before my One M7 GPE died and tried it on here. It ran perfect and lag free for me.
However I just enjoy the fingerprint scanner, the full S Pen functions and the one hand use features.
Also WiFi calling is a must for me at work right now.
Post started by someone who once they receive the update will also have something to complain about.
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Ive been with aamsung since the s3 days. Before i was a sense guy for the longest. Now with samsung waiting ages to release lollipop for a phone that cost me almost 900$ im almost fed up and really want to go another route next time i buy a phone..
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So you blame Samsung for not getting Lollipop already? Samsung released Lollipop for most of the international phones http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/910f-official-lolipop-germany-dbt-t3029508 just an example...perhaps you should find out what is the hold up from your carrier trying to stuff T-Mobile bloat onto Samsung's existing release or any other US Carrier for that matter.
I kn I w its not all samsung but i don't think its fair thst we buy their latest flagship than become last in line to receive the new OS.
Life isn't fair. Nothing is promised to you and Note 3 and S5 users bought the latest flagship before you..
I've already gave Samsung a piece of my mind on the topic, but one or a few persons isn't going to do it.
here's some facts to know beforehand:
SM-P600: Note 10.1 2014 Edition WIFI-ONLY (much older than Note Pro) received 5.1.1 update for various regions between early December 9th and January 16th
SM-T900: Tab Pro 12.2 WIFI-ONLY (same release date, cheaper product / lower paying customers) also received 5.1.1 updates Dec. 9 - Jan 16th
first, download the Samsung+ app if you don't have it already. go to the Support or Help Section, and start a Video Chat call (yes it works on Wi-Fi only). by default, the camera on your tab is off, if you wish for them to see you, you'll have to manually toggle it on during the call so don't worry about that. the video chat is U.S. based and almost always gets you a fluent English speaking agent capable of an intelligent conversation. the regular phone line is more likely to land you in India or Mexico and no speak ingles thank you for choose Samsung business appreciate come again byebye! or tangle you up in departments that either have no involvement in software support or have no way to pass along your thoughts.
next, proceed to complain either politely or passionately, whichever fits your fancy, about the lack of updates for (give the exact model number SM-P900) our tab.
be prepared, they will try in many ways to tell you there's nothing they can do or redirect the conversation to have you go check for newer software / how to check for newer software so they can get you off the call. we already know what the newest is and how to check. we're not stupid! ROUND TWO, FIGHT!
tell them how (use the model numbers and names) the older/cheaper devices already got 5.1.1 almost half a year ago. they will try to tell you that the carriers or some other entity are responsible for handling updates. WIFI ONLY devices get their updates from Samsung, not a 3rd party. don't let them end the call so easily! they may also try telling you that a 3rd party updated the other tabs. reassure them you're comparing apples-to-apples, Wi-Fi tabs to Wi-Fi tabs.
ROUND THREE! expect to hear something about their update support being designed to end at a time that encourages customers to purchase a new device. every new Wi-Fi tab Samsung has released after the Note Pro (and is planning to release through the end of the year 2016 http://tabletmonkeys.com/new-tablets/) are either 1. budget devices with lesser hardware in one category or another (which are for a different kind of customer), or 2. run different operating systems (windows, also for different kinds of customers), or 3. both
make it known how despicable it is to try and force us to new devices "even if the specs were better, which isn't the case" and that you insist your feedback gets noted and passed on to Relations and all other involved departments.
feel free to share if you have done this, you will have my thanks and that of many others
This won't work. The device is probably going to hit eol soon. But I tried anyway. I did a video call with Samsung support the through the Samsung+ app. The support agent was polite and gave me the same answers and I gave my response.
He also suggested to leave a bad review on the Samsung product page but that won't do anything. I'm pretty sure we are stuck with 5.0.1 or hopefully the developers can port other versions of Android to this device.
working or not, it's one of few avenues we got
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I'm pretty sure we are stuck with 5.0.1 or hopefully the developers can port other versions of Android to this device.
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We have unofficial Marshmallow builds. This one is works well if you don't care about the camera (which I've always found pointless on a giant tablet): http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...t/rom-cyanogenmod-13-0-android-6-0-1-t3366834
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We have unofficial Marshmallow builds. This one is works well if you don't care about the camera (which I've always found pointless on a giant tablet): http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...t/rom-cyanogenmod-13-0-android-6-0-1-t3366834
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Yes I saw that. However most of the time when I use CM I've always noticed that there are some issues. I might give this a try at some point.
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Yes I saw that. However most of the time when I use CM I've always noticed that there are some issues. I might give this a try at some point.
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What are the issues that you see? They can't be fixed unless the dev knows it is an issue.
Not particularly with this device but on other devices I've seen random reboots.
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100% agree with this kind of initiatives !
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You know, I was looking for official updates for our SM-P900. And I came across this. My opinion is that we always have the best option: learn from our mistakes, never do it again and move on. With that said, we all paid good money for that "premium" tablet. And since day one I felt I was going to pay dearly for having to buy another Samsung product. And sure s**t, I did. Which happens to be my last Samsung device. I forced myself to look for other products and was actually pleasantly surprised to find others. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, maybe the market is more mature, maybe I spent my money more wisely.
Note 5 for my wife and this SM-P900 were last Samsung devices we bought so it was a while back. Without realizing it, we went with 2 Sony android TVs when we could have bought Samsung TVs. We bought Rokus for older TVs. I bought a Nexus 6P to replace my Note 3 last year. We bought LG washer and dryer. Also LG fridge. And it feels good to not give them any more money.
And every dog has its day: Note 7.
Don't get me wrong Sterist, I truly admire your enthusiasm. I have been there. I am an IT Director with 20 years of experience so I came across very expensive pieces of hardware for a very long time. But it's good that we start growing a spine and start to really stick to them and mean it. I'm not a fan of anything. I don't discriminate. And today I recommend people to buy what's reliable. Usually Apple. When you have employees who constantly ask you personal questions about what to buy and you don't want to hear they complain weeks later after they bought what you recommended, well, you get smart and recommend whatever is going to help so they don't come back to haunt you.
(deep inside I am pissed like you and others about the SM-P900 and lack of support or for Samsung to just sit around like they always do for the EOL of this device)
Except for maybe security updates, this device doesn't need updating. Updates usually screw something up like the last update that borked the external keyboard until they released another update to fix. It's is still a great product and does everything I want it to do. If you think apple stuff may be better then go ahead and buy their stuff but expect to pay more. Recommending apple products on a samsung tablet forum is not cool.
treetopsranch said:
Except for maybe security updates, this device doesn't need updating. Updates usually screw something up like the last update that borked the external keyboard until they released another update to fix. It's is still a great product and does everything I want it to do. If you think apple stuff may be better then go ahead and buy their stuff but expect to pay more. Recommending apple products on a samsung tablet forum is not cool.
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Not necessarily. There are some more tweaks and updates that this tablet could use. Or at least thats what I think.
I have to say that buying this tablet when I did I though it would at least get upgraded to v6. The device is capable of so much more. I am using the unofficial CM 14.1 and mostly its very good. But as previous people have mentioned there are a few things that don't seem to work. The Microphone is one of them. The screen resolution is awesome using CM14.1!!
The hardware was ahead of the capability of the OS so updates should of been worked on.
It was good value but without the updates the timescale of that value is too short, If I had shelled out a bit more for something else I would have an updated OS which could make better use of the hardware underneath and the value would have applied over a longer period in reality making it cheaper. This experience has change my view on Samsung products. When I can finally put down money for a new tablet, I will be definitively be looking elsewhere for a brand that supports their products for longer.
I recently bought this tablet second hand because I wanted a premium tablet with the S Pen but I wasn't willing to wait/spend on the Tab S3. At the time, I didn't realize how old the Note Pro actually was so I was disappointed to find out that it's stuck on Lollipop (granted, my fault for not researching this first). Like dstote above, I figured Samsung would at least support it until Marshmallow considering the hardware specs. What a shame.
Of course, this then brought me to xda. I immediately flashed Lineage 14 but realized I really wanted TouchWiz back (never thought I'd say that). Next I tried Carbon which is a modified stock ROM. It worked well and was much faster than stock but I lost 5GHz wifi access--presumably because it was intended for the P901. I then settled on the Bussybox build which has been working great. The only issue is the occasional random reboot which I'm hoping gets ironed out in future builds. Here's hoping someone puts together a TouchWiz Nougat build because I'm not holding my breath for Samsung to do it.
In my case I bought the SM-P900 because I travel a lot and wanted something to work on (including sketching/ drawing), watch movies on, keep in touch with family and friends on and something that, being a premium product, Samsung would support.
The hardware is far more capable than the OS and the unfortunate thing is the lack of S Pen support in most of the custom builds. Until this device I'd had a Galaxy S2,3,4 & 5 and a couple of Samsung TV's. I now have an LG phone, 2 LG TV's and LG fridge - Not because they are any better (you've only got to look at their track record with updates) but because they offer better value for money - We also have 2 Motorola and an Oppo phone in the house - All of the samsungs are stuck in a drawer with various flavours of lineage or CM on them as back ups. Apple - not for me - it's too locked down - but at least it's well supported.
Vote with your wallets, it's clearly the only thing Samsung understand.