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How long do we have?

Seems every new tab I get has a timer. Some have already gone off months before I even bought it and others will go off very soon.
I am not sure where I am at with this a7 but from all the reviews it seems the timer is about to off with the new elocity a7x. Seems elocity fixed all the complaints about the a7 in the a7x.
What I want to know is why is it important to upgrade and update to newer releases beyond the fact that new features are cool. Why do manufacturers not just give them to us?? I mean when I run Linux on my pc I have about 6-12 months before a release needs to be updated. Then I just re-install the new version and I am going. Why is it with Android that we the users can't just download gingerbread or what ever new release and update our selves? Why do the tab makers not just charge us for a new release. It costs them time and effort to make a new kernel and drivers but beyond that it should not be so tricky. So say they want $20 for Gingerbread to cover the cost of their development. I am on board with that. Why do Tablet makers instead of no updates just charge us like it is a new OS even though we know it is free we also know there is cost to wrote it for our device.
I think from a consumer stand point I would be a much happier customer if I new I would be able to upgrade at least one or two releases on the hardware I have before it is obsolete. I do not mind paying a reasonable fee for the updates just don't leave us out in the cold and do not say their are hardware limitations. Find a solution and make it work. It can be done specially with the hardware on this device!!
I think though the bottom line is, does this device do what I want it to do now?? For me as it is now the a7 does all I want it to do. I can read books, surf the net, listen to music, watch movies and play games. Will the new releases do something this can't do? I can watch flash-youtube, etc. Seems like a complete device.
Of course we all like the newest and latest stuff and that is why I think Elocity should spend the money to support the A7 for future releases. I think they should release a Gingerbread update soon. I would pay $10-15 for it. I think Honeycomb could be a $30 release and so forth. If there is a problem with something not working you could always revert back.
Rob

I agree with the statement...

I second that. I was a little bit disappointed that the new elocity tablets were announced soon after I bought the A7 and was left unsettled whether this was a kind of beta device released to test out the market response and whether it would fade away as soon as the new Android OS's are on the horizon.
I am not sure but is it too unrealistic to expect a life of 1 or 2 years out of this device?

I sent those very sentiments to Elocity directly some time ago. I was on the Amazon waiting list from October 2010 and received the tablet in December after many ups and downs and waiting to get the A7. And now a new tablet, they should give me my money back quite honestly.

It could have been a great device if
1. It had multi touch support
2. The company truly supported the device - it seems to be very limited.
This is the main reason why you see so many developers in the GTablet forum and no this one...I know of many who were itching to get a 7inch device (like myself) but ended up no solely because of the lack of multi touch...
I agree you should return it as Amazon misstated it was multi touch in the advertisement.
rapcon said:
I sent those very sentiments to Elocity directly some time ago. I was on the Amazon waiting list from October 2010 and received the tablet in December after many ups and downs and waiting to get the A7. And now a new tablet, they should give me my money back quite honestly.
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Yeah the multi-touch aspect is a huge selling point for a lot of people

I never said it was not a good device. Maybe the software needs work-That can be fixed if supported. Remains to be seen at this point. I have not dealt with the company personaly so I hope they are reading these forums but I am not encouraged about what I have heard. I think these companies need to understand is it is not just about units sold but happy customers who by word of mouth spread the news of their new tab to friends and family. If I have a bad experience it should be important to the company. Once you have a customer you should do all you can to.keep them within reason.
I think most of the flaws of this device could.be rectified by software. It is a shame that they are not going out of thier way to rectify the situation and work even with forum members help to create the fixes to the software aa needed.
I am hopeful that they will in time address our concerns but we may just have to upgrade soon!
I do want to state that I do like this tab and will only return it iff there is something better ajd about the same price $300-Max!
I Really hope Ginger bread will.be updated on these tabs. I Do not expect 3.0, although it would be nice and should be possible.
Lets make sure that happens and that the hardware is fully utilized like multi-core etc. This is an awesome device so lets get the most of it. The manufacturer should.support our efforts of extending the useful life of the device.
Rob

I guess the simulated multi-touch works for me in web browsing.
Other than pinch to zoom is there something that I can do with multi-touch? I have a Galaxy S and to me the devices behave pretty much the same.
I am disappointed in the poor support. I sent an e-mail and didn't hear anything. That's pretty bad. I'm wondering if ViewSonic is better.

That is the odd thing because from all the reports I can read on the touch screen in this device they all say it supports 1/1 multi touch.
I hope they change their responsiveness to customers but if they have limited resources and are trying to rectify our problems by writing new code and focusing on that then I can understand as long as it is temporary while they address our concerns.
I will be a very happy customer if the new update fixes a lot of our concerns!
Come on Gingerbread and multi touch and wireless n!!
Rob

Be better than the rest
Why waste the time and effort to hit the retail market with a tablet that has great hardware specs only to go sub-standard on software and support? Stream TV guys should be very well aware of how slowly and poorly many of the Android updates and support issues have been handled so, after garnering much attention releasing a Tegra 2 device try to do much much better, you have our attention(and got some of our money too, yeah people bought the tablet go figure).
Dexter is working his butt off but, he didn't create this tablet, we thank him, now OEM shift to a higher gear please. Cut Dexter a nice check, send him a tablet or 3 or 4 to work with and let's see these A7 get some fully functioning update love. Don't backburner this device for new releases and take us into atleast 3.0 as best as this hardware can offer. Maybe a major ROM download and install could fix the A7 and keep Stream looking like a viable competitor...if it works.

A harsh reminder of why I abandoned Samsung years ago...

My wife recently upgraded her phone contract to get the new Galaxy S5, and for a relatively small cost extra, they threw in the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition LTE (SM-P605) which I quickly claimed for myself.
However, it was not long before I was reminded why I abandoned Samsung devices years ago in favour of the Nexus range. The first thing I did when I got home was check for a software update. Nothing at all. Very disappointing for two reasons.
1.) It was still running a 4.3 build from August 2013.
2.) There was no multi-user support; something I was relying on so that my wife and I could share the tablet. This was especially strange considering this feature is available in vanilla 4.3.
So after some searching, I was briefly excited to see that the Kitkat update for the 2014 Edition had landed mere days ago. I began scouring the Internet... Turns out, this update is only for the SM-P600!!! ARGH!
A bit more scouring... Verizon have the tablet on their network right? And they are LTE... And I read something about a Kitkat update for their device! Nooooope! That devices is the SM-P605V.
So here I sit, back in the Samsung camp, completely at the mercy of their erratic update-rollout schedules whilst all of their other tablets EXCEPT mine are enjoying the Kitkat goodness.
God only knows when or if I'll even see a 4.4 update on this device - I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: I'm starting to wonder where I could flash the SM-605V ROM on my device. Seems like the only difference is the LTE band support. I only use Wifi at the moment, so if the worst that can happen is that I lose mobile data, I'd be okay with that.

Yes, that is Samsung for you. It feels very annoying but the feeling is soon forgotten after the update is finally released (at least that's the way it went with the old Note). I am also eagerly waiting for Kitkat for my SM-P605..
As it is now, there really is no alternative for Note 2014 edition if you want an Android tablet with high end specs and also want to draw with the tablet. If Google released a 10 inch Nexus tablet with Wacom pen I would probably buy that instead.

StNickZA said:
My wife recently upgraded her phone contract to get the new Galaxy S5, and for a relatively small cost extra, they threw in the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition LTE (SM-P605) which I quickly claimed for myself.
However, it was not long before I was reminded why I abandoned Samsung devices years ago in favour of the Nexus range. The first thing I did when I got home was check for a software update. Nothing at all. Very disappointing for two reasons.
1.) It was still running a 4.3 build from August 2013.
2.) There was no multi-user support; something I was relying on so that my wife and I could share the tablet. This was especially strange considering this feature is available in vanilla 4.3.
So after some searching, I was briefly excited to see that the Kitkat update for the 2014 Edition had landed mere days ago. I began scouring the Internet... Turns out, this update is only for the SM-P600!!! ARGH!
A bit more scouring... Verizon have the tablet on their network right? And they are LTE... And I read something about a Kitkat update for their device! Nooooope! That devices is the SM-P605V.
So here I sit, back in the Samsung camp, completely at the mercy of their erratic update-rollout schedules whilst all of their other tablets EXCEPT mine are enjoying the Kitkat goodness.
God only knows when or if I'll even see a 4.4 update on this device - I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: I'm starting to wonder where I could flash the SM-605V ROM on my device. Seems like the only difference is the LTE band support. I only use Wifi at the moment, so if the worst that can happen is that I lose mobile data, I'd be okay with that.
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Wait..... so your wife upgraded her phone - and they gave you a Note 10.1 2014 LTE for a small cost.... and now you are having a whinge?
Perhaps you could have gone out and bought a 4.4 loaded KitKat tablet instead?
Yes, you will see KK on the device, in the not too distant future.. Its been released on the Verizon version, so the rest of us are not too far behind. And no, as I understand it, the 605v version rom will not boot on the standard 605 device.
If you needed KK for multi-user, perhaps you should have bought a Nexus 7?
In actual fact, the most recent versions of p605 roms (stock) are from November 2013. What build number is the device reporting?

cdinoz said:
Wait..... so your wife upgraded her phone - and they gave you a Note 10.1 2014 LTE for a small cost.... and now you are having a whinge?
Perhaps you could have gone out and bought a 4.4 loaded KitKat tablet instead?
Yes, you will see KK on the device, in the not too distant future.. Its been released on the Verizon version, so the rest of us are not too far behind. And no, as I understand it, the 605v version rom will not boot on the standard 605 device.
If you needed KK for multi-user, perhaps you should have bought a Nexus 7?
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Thanks for the reply.
The reason I didn't "go out and buy a 4.4 tablet" is because I wasn't actually in the market for a tablet at all, least of all a 7 incher. When we walked into the store, I had no idea I'd be walking out with a tablet; it was an impulse purchase. By getting it alongside my wife's new phone, the tablet basically cost about half of what it would have if I'd bought it cash, so it was a bit of a no-brainer. I made the mistake of ASSUMING that a premium tablet with such impressive hardware specs would have already been updated to Kitkat, and at the very least, include multi-user support. This is the crux of my argument really; when you have been using something like a Nexus for so long, you forget how things lag behind in the world of Samsung.
But lets just put things into perspective for a second... Yes, I am upset that there's no Kitkat ROM yet for this device, when other models (of the SAME device) already have it. It is frustrating. Does that mean I am about to throw it in the bin? Of course not. There's nothing wrong with "having a whinge" about Samsung's policies. I'm certainly not the first to do so. It doesn't mean I think that the tablet is junk, or that I regret buying it. On the contrary, I'm still very impressed and happy with the purchase, and I'm hopeful that Samsung will bring out the Kitkat update sooner rather than later, but the lack of reliable information or time-frames is certainly annoying.
And thank you for the heads-up re. the SM-605V ROM; probably best to scratch that idea.

So you buy your devices solely to update them? I've been using the N10.1-14 since October when it came out and have been quite happy with it. 4.4 introduces some improvements I'm looking forward to but it's not like they're required to make the N10.1-14 work. The only thing in your post that seems like a real requirement for you is multi user. So either put it on a shelf and wait for 4.4 or use it yourself until the update comes. I'm not defending Samsung's update process; it's cumbersome and slow. But it's not like their products are unusable or cow dung simply because updates bring a smattering of new features. And updates to Android aren't always beneficial. Google totally borked external SD card access in 4.4 to the point people are staying on or reverting to 4.3.

You bought a device you had no prior intention of doing so on a whim at a reduced price and are upset because the latest updates are not currently available to you...? 1st world problems are terrible ain't they...
You bought it as it is, it works 100% as intended. You have no legal right and should have no expectations to any sort of updates - stop whinging and worry about real issues in the world instead.

@kempas well said sir. Honestly what is up with people it's just an update it makes it look better and makes it faster and blah blah it doesnt exactly change it into a flying machine.
Sent from Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition via Tapatalk.

As I said, I don't want the KitKat update to "make it look pretty or go faster". I want multi-user accounts which is core functionality that was introduced in Android 4.2. It is not unreasonable to expect that it is available in a premium tablet running Android 4.3.

I'm pretty surprised by the direction this thread took...
It seemed to be a pretty reasonable post with concerns and questions about the ROM, posted here in a ROM community, and the response has pretty much been "Shut up and stop whinging"

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1st world problems are terrible ain't they...
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[MENTION=1141807]blah it doesnt exactly change it into a flying machine.
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Made me laugh.
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I'm pretty surprised by the direction this thread took...
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I'm not. 4.4 started rolling out 10 days ago. The SM-P600 owners in Colombia, the U.S., and Canada that won the "got it first" lottery are ecstatic. Everyone else is pissed, envious, and impatient. Posting their dissatisfaction here isn't going to get them their update any faster and no one here can help them. Logically, Samsung would roll out a few regions and watch the feedback to make sure there wasn't anything they missed in testing that needed correction before the global roll out began in earnest. From past experience, it can take two months for the majority of Samsung devices to receive an update once it begins rolling out. Does that mean we need to endure two months of "where's my update?" and "Samsung sucks!" threads from the unfortunate at the latter end of the roll out?

This really has nothing to do with Samsung. The updates for LTE models are usually sent to their providers before the wifi only updates are pushed [hence the reason Verizon already has it]. It's up to your LTE provider to issue the update.
Same with Nexus. A Nexus device purchased directly from Google will get an update before one purchased from Sprint or T-Mobile.

dkb218 said:
This really has nothing to do with Samsung. The updates for LTE models are usually sent to their providers before the wifi only updates are pushed [hence the reason Verizon already has it]. It's up to your LTE provider to issue the update.
Same with Nexus. A Nexus device purchased directly from Google will get an update before one purchased from Sprint or T-Mobile.
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AFAIK in Spain all P605 are unlocked, no LTE provider sell them.
Enviado desde mi SM-P605 mediante Tapatalk

I don't know why people are getting on the ops back about it. He's absolutely right. Yeah the device still works but it is annoying that you see Ipads and Nexus devices getting timely updates. The most annoying thing about it all is that I can say as a long time Samsung customer that yes its because of the number of devices but mostly it's because they don't care as much about their customers once they've paid for a device.
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I don't know why people are getting on the ops back about it. He's absolutely right. Yeah the device still works but it is annoying that you see Ipads and Nexus devices getting timely updates. The most annoying thing about it all is that I can say as a long time Samsung customer that yes its because of the number of devices but mostly it's because they don't care as much about their customers once they've paid for a device.
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You kind of hit the nail on the head. People for whom updates are a critical feature shouldn't buy Samsung products. The sheer scale of the number of devices they offer, types of devices (Wi-Fi, 3G, 4G), and overly complex system of different s/w by region makes them notoriously slow at updates. Knowing that I buy their products anyway because I like the quantity and quality of their unique features; most of which aren't available elsewhere. Am I happy about it? No. Did I expect it? Yes. Do I think *****ing about it is going to help? No. Want fast updates? Buy a Nexus or GPe device. It's that simple.

For the life of me I don't understand people that realize that they made a poor personal choice and then want to tell the world how bad of a decision they made. Is this just a way to get sympathy? I see it as a way to publicize poor decision making skills.

StNickZA said:
My wife recently upgraded her phone contract to get the new Galaxy S5, and for a relatively small cost extra, they threw in the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition LTE (SM-P605) which I quickly claimed for myself.
However, it was not long before I was reminded why I abandoned Samsung devices years ago in favour of the Nexus range. The first thing I did when I got home was check for a software update. Nothing at all. Very disappointing for two reasons.
1.) It was still running a 4.3 build from August 2013.
2.) There was no multi-user support; something I was relying on so that my wife and I could share the tablet. This was especially strange considering this feature is available in vanilla 4.3.
So after some searching, I was briefly excited to see that the Kitkat update for the 2014 Edition had landed mere days ago. I began scouring the Internet... Turns out, this update is only for the SM-P600!!! ARGH!
A bit more scouring... Verizon have the tablet on their network right? And they are LTE... And I read something about a Kitkat update for their device! Nooooope! That devices is the SM-P605V.
So here I sit, back in the Samsung camp, completely at the mercy of their erratic update-rollout schedules whilst all of their other tablets EXCEPT mine are enjoying the Kitkat goodness.
God only knows when or if I'll even see a 4.4 update on this device - I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: I'm starting to wonder where I could flash the SM-605V ROM on my device. Seems like the only difference is the LTE band support. I only use Wifi at the moment, so if the worst that can happen is that I lose mobile data, I'd be okay with that.
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I am not sure if this will help you, op. Please do not flame me if it doesn't, but I came across and thought it would be useful...if you have rooted your device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52430137
Never mind, didn't realize you were author of this post too-my bad, sorry

TabGuy said:
For the life of me I don't understand people that realize that they made a poor personal choice and then want to tell the world how bad of a decision they made. Is this just a way to get sympathy? I see it as a way to publicize poor decision making skills.
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Bwah! I've successfully managed to avoid replying to the majority of these idiotic comments, but this is probably the most hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen and I just could not resist.
The very first post of yours that I find is one in which you are bemoaning a bad decision you made. Even the title itself describes your regret over the decision.
Behold : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729705
Seriously, thank you. :laugh:

StNickZA said:
Bwah! I've successfully managed to avoid replying to the majority of these idiotic comments, but this is probably the most hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen and I just could not resist.
The very first post of yours that I find is one in which you are bemoaning a bad decision you made. Even the title itself describes your regret over the decision.
Behold : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729705
Seriously, thank you. :laugh:
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On that subject, what did you hope starting this thread would accomplish? And what's the value you see to the XDA community we're all part of?

StNickZA said:
Bwah! I've successfully managed to avoid replying to the majority of these idiotic comments, but this is probably the most hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen and I just could not resist.
The very first post of yours that I find is one in which you are bemoaning a bad decision you made. Even the title itself describes your regret over the decision.
Behold : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729705
Seriously, thank you. :laugh:
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Touche'

Stop whining and go buy a 10 Nexus tablet with LTE then.
Go ahead.
I'll wait here.

I request EVERY ONE SIGN THIS PETITION NOW!!!

First they sold a old hardware and software
Second they failed to fix any bugs and errors
Third they did not give a system upgrade to any market except china
Fourth Very poor after sales support
Fifth Still selling this device and fooling consumers in Asian and European markets.
Only a few people know how to switch to other ROMs, but what about the majority rest of people.
React now.
Sign this petition.
https://www.change.org/p/yuanqing-y...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
if anyone knows lenovo businesses heads, CEO, MD, mail and social accounts, PM me their addresses...
and dont forget, please share this link on your twitter accounts.

prax31 said:
Im tired of switching between these unstable and unreliable custom roms...
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That's a punch in every devs face!
There are so many people including me that are happier with custom roms then the stock cos 12.1 which.
Thank Mr.Coldbird for marshmallow and his fp gestures, thanks to @acuicultor and @OrdenKrieger for the great kernel and device trees and all others for the variety of custom roms.
Those people who are buying this device nowadays don't care about updates or Android versions, otherwise they wouldn't buy a device which comes with Android 5.
Everybody who is aware of the Android update policy knows that every manufacturer makes their own update plan and those who want fast updates going to buy nexus or pixel phones or an iPhone

I have 2 zuk1's, both fully stock and both working as expected with only one bug. Both are suffering from the "waking up" syndrome.
The oldest zuk has been produced in Nov 2015 and since more than a year my daily driver...the second one is produced in March 2016 and in my possession since a couple of months.
I don't see any reason to complain as I knew I was buying "old" software and lets be honest, the hardware still still fairly up to date considering the price range the phone is being sold in. What you guys want is a phone with the specs of a Samsung S7 for less than 200€ new?! Do you really think that Lenovo is going to invest its time and resources in a phone which is no longer in production?
The phone's still on sale currently are NOT sold be Lenovo but people/company's who are trying to get rid of old stock...

Paid 239€ in a Electronic store. Fair price
Jau the lack of 64bit possibility worries me but otherwise it's fine.
Thanks to the great devs here it also makes me more happy than a Redmi note 2 I owned (just not the Mi5 I'm coming from) But enough OT from me
Just don't buy a Phone you don't like, there is also the web to inform yourself about possible OS updates from the Manufacturer or not etc.
But to be fair, Europe support of Lenovo/Zuk seems to be 0

How will updates be? Like Nexus/Pixel line?

One of the strong points of the Nexus and Pixel line is that you can get frequent updates (https://developers.google.com/android/images). How will the updates look like from Essential? One time upgrade, and then abandon us? Or frequent ASOP updates with fixes?

Whatever they may say about it, we won't really know until the updates come or not. It's being said it's either very close to stock or stock so getting upgrades out should be easy enough in a practical sense.

I'm pretty sure Rubin said in his hour long interview witih Walt Mossberg that it would get regular month security updates, if not better.
The bigger concern is how long will they support the phone for? Just two or three years like Google (making the phone insecure and obsolete after that)? Or five years like Apple? Even more importantly, what if they just don't succeed. If the company folds after a year or two, there will certainly be no updates after that. That's a chance one takes with a new company.

The community will carry it for a while if they move enough of them. As to Rubin, the proof is in the pudding. We've been sold the regular updates thing before and never actually got them or had them stop short. Time will tell.

I don't see updates being a problem. It seems to pretty much be stock Android with a few added features for the cameras and their modules to be released.

Right, but the question is how long they will lag. Lots of manufacturers make claims about updates.
Have they made any statements?

I played with one yesterday and it is almost completely stock 7.1.1 except for the camera software and the little bits in the code that control the modules. I see Andy making sure this gets updated to Oreo by the time the new pixels drop. that is 2 months out. dont quote me though

This is what I wanted to know, since its basically stock. Will it get Oreo (Android 8.0) fairly soon?

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This is what I wanted to know, since its basically stock. Will it get Oreo (Android 8.0) fairly soon?
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Considering how Android Oreo is built I say there is a good chance of quickish updates. 8.0 keeps the make Android code separate from any customizations now. They leave the hooks open do to your own thing besides their code. I think this is why Andy went super stock with 7.1.1 to make it easier later on and they can do more customization leader with their software because it will be easier after Oreo.
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MKBHD and I were talking to one of their software engineers (who use to work for Google as well) at the event on Monday and he told us they were already working on Oreo. In MKBHD's unboxing and first impressions video he mentioned a few of the things that were talked about in that discussion like it being easier to quickly update because it's so close to stock etc.. Although, once they release their home device with Ambient OS I bet we see more customizations on the phone firmware to accommodate that

One thing I question, why 7.1.1 vs 7.1.2? .2 offered a few neat last bit of features before 8.0 so its interesting why almost all OEM's have stuck with 1.1 before possibly jumping to 8.0.

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One thing I question, why 7.1.1 vs 7.1.2? .2 offered a few neat last bit of features before 8.0 so its interesting why almost all OEM's have stuck with 1.1 before possibly jumping to 8.0.
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Unless I'm reading it wrong it looks like the 7.1.2 update was targeted for Nexus and Pixel devices. Most of the fixes fix issues specific to those devices so why would an OEM port an update that doesn't affect their device.
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superchilpil said:
Unless I'm reading it wrong it looks like the 7.1.2 update was targeted for Nexus and Pixel devices. Most of the fixes fix issues specific to those devices so why would an OEM port an update that doesn't affect their device.
Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
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This may be true, but it did also bring thins like the long touch shortcut feature as well as the fingerprint sensor swipe feature that may work on other hardware that had the same sensor hardware.
It's not a big deal, and though we have 8.0 now, I might want to wait a bit for Google to release a update to that as well hearing what I am from early adopters that have 8.0 now on their Pixel's. New features and battery life improvements plagued with persistent notifications, worse BT, and other odds and bits that seem like rushed bugs.
Exactly what I would expect from Version X.0 for a major OS change so not surprising at all.

cb474 said:
I'm pretty sure Rubin said in his hour long interview witih Walt Mossberg that it would get regular month security updates, if not better.
The bigger concern is how long will they support the phone for? Just two or three years like Google (making the phone insecure and obsolete after that)? Or five years like Apple? Even more importantly, what if they just don't succeed. If the company folds after a year or two, there will certainly be no updates after that. That's a chance one takes with a new company.
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A very valid concern. Especially since these sorts of people and companies throw a bunch of money at stuff and if it doesnt look like it is going to get the giant return on the investment they hope within a year or so then they do shut it down and move on to their next big thing.
My other concern with this is if we will get full kernel source or not as well. I would assume yes, since Andy helped make the deal about Andsroid being so open and sources available, but you never know with phone OEMs. Even though this is basically stock ROM, I bet the kernel source will be needed so we can interface the best with the accessory pins and make use of the custom camera stuff.

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A very valid concern. Especially since these sorts of people and companies throw a bunch of money at stuff and if it doesnt look like it is going to get the giant return on the investment they hope within a year or so then they do shut it down and move on to their next big thing.
My other concern with this is if we will get full kernel source or not as well. I would assume yes, since Andy helped make the deal about Andsroid being so open and sources available, but you never know with phone OEMs. Even though this is basically stock ROM, I bet the kernel source will be needed so we can interface the best with the accessory pins and make use of the custom camera stuff.
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Also, even if they make the kernel source available, will the phone be popular with developers? It seems like the sort of phone that might. As you say, Rubin is very supportive of open source (even on the hardware for the modules). But on the other hand, it's an expensive and quirky phone. Even the Pixel (with its huge price jump and move away from the Nexus brand) took much longer to catch on with developers than previous Nexus phones had. I'm hoping the devs like it.

Android Oreo is coming soon (c)tm

Many of us are eagerly awaiting the arrival of Oreo to our beloved Note 5 and it's on it's way. There is already an early beta build of it for the S6 based on a new branch of LOS15 I believe. It still has a few bugs but it's bootable a few things don't yet work but the basic's are there. It can only be a matter of time before a Note 5 dev picks it up and creates a build for us.
Have patience guys we should be enjoying a little Oreo goodness soon.
My source for this news is here - https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...nt/g92xx-android-o-samsung-galaxy-s6-t3663901

I just wish it wasn't Samsung based.

I read on samobile that the note 5 isn't getting Android 8.
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No word officially from Samsung yet but it is likely that Samobile is correct and we wont be getting an Oreo upgrade from Samsung. While that is very disappointing it's not the end of the road for the Note 5. I'm sure there will be rom's ported from devices that do get upgrades and source built rom's too. Samsung does not care about us but luckily for us XDA has teams of talented developers who do care. One way or other we will be enjoying Oreo goodness we just need to be patient till it happens.

For reference.
https://www.sammobile.com/samsung-galaxy-android-8-o-update

Note 5 already gone through two major OS update. so if not mistaken, we will miss the Oreo update. Our only hope is custom rom porting.

edwardsiow said:
Note 5 already gone through two major OS update. so if not mistaken, we will miss the Oreo update. Our only hope is custom rom porting.
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Which is either unlikely or very unstable given the state of AOSP development for our devices

Im so glad i didn't sell my Nexus 6P Just upgraded to Orem Fully rooted Goodbye Note 5 you wont be missed

izou1838 said:
Im so glad i didn't sell my Nexus 6P Just upgraded to Orem Fully rooted Goodbye Note 5 you wont be missed
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I got a full refund from Google for the early shutdown issue. Extremely happy with samsung oreo isn't a huge leap forward I can wait.

AndrewM3 said:
I got a full refund from Google for the early shutdown issue. Extremely happy with samsung oreo isn't a huge leap forward I can wait.
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8.0 is a big deal (compared to prev updates) battery wise, Data and managing apps is much better.
My main thing is the battery which has almost doubled, specially on standby bringing new life to this old phone I didn't care for

Anyone else bothered that a barely 2 year old phone is getting ditched by Samsung? Are we going to just accept companies obsoleting phones after 2 years? I'm not one for ROMs and rooting really so I don't want to hear about how Oreo is coming in that sense to the Note 5. Samsung should put Oreo together and release it for the Note 5. And if they can't then I'm not buying Samsung anymore. I don't care if they don't care. Phones should have a minimum of 5 year support at least for security updates. No reason why the Note 5 can't handle Oreo.

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Anyone else bothered that a barely 2 year old phone is getting ditched by Samsung? Are we going to just accept companies obsoleting phones after 2 years? I'm not one for ROMs and rooting really so I don't want to hear about how Oreo is coming in that sense to the Note 5. Samsung should put Oreo together and release it for the Note 5. And if they can't then I'm not buying Samsung anymore. I don't care if they don't care. Phones should have a minimum of 5 year support at least for security updates. No reason why the Note 5 can't handle Oreo.
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I agree whole heartedly with what your saying there phones n tablets etc should get more than 2 years support before being abandoned. The Note 5 is more than capable of running Oreo without a problem. But sadly Samsung will never give it to us we will now only get security updates no further OS updates.
Samsung's short sighted view is if u want the latest android OS buy a new phone every 2 years to get it. Yes I know they are in the business to make money but seriously they need to understand that us regular customers can't afford to replace perfectly good devices every couple of years and their corporate customers are unlikely to do so either.
I read somewhere that Samsung wants to get more of the corporate and government contracts that Apple enjoys for themselves and become as rich as Apple.
But Apple not only has nice hardware and the security that corporations and governments want they also support their devices for 4-5 years and that is a big factor in that market as well as the consumer market.
Until the high up's in Samsung grasp that concept and treat all it's customers better they will never have as much success as Apple enjoys. They seem content with things as they are and not caring a damn how many customers they upset and cause to stop buying their products because for every customer who leaves them there are millions more to replace them. The concept of gaining more customers while keeping existing customers happy by treating them right seems to be an alien concept to Samsung. Their attitude is we WILL do whatever we want in the pursuit of profit and to hell with those who don't like it there are many more to replace you.
I too have decided that I am no longer prepared to be treated like this by Samsung and my Note 5 will be the last product of theirs i buy. The sad thing is they build great hardware but their attitude towards customers seriously sucks and their short sighted profit model is unlikely to change any time soon.

RemusW said:
I agree whole heartedly with what your saying there phones n tablets etc should get more than 2 years support before being abandoned... etc etc more fluff etc ...their short sighted profit model is unlikely to change any time soon.
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Funny you should pick on Samsung out of all of the Android manufacturers; nearly all of them support their devices for only two years, even Google. So before you start complaining about how profit-greedy a company is, just remember that the company that *owns* Android doesn't even care to offer support for older devices. Also laughable that Google should make fun of Apple for ditching the headphone jack and look what they're doing with the Pixel 2. Pick a manufacturer, any manufacturer. You're not going to get the support you're looking for unless you switch to Apple.

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Funny you should pick on Samsung out of all of the Android manufacturers; nearly all of them support their devices for only two years, even Google. So before you start complaining about how profit-greedy a company is, just remember that the company that *owns* Android doesn't even care to offer support for older devices. Also laughable that Google should make fun of Apple for ditching the headphone jack and look what they're doing with the Pixel 2. Pick a manufacturer, any manufacturer. You're not going to get the support you're looking for unless you switch to Apple.
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You are correct most manufacturers do the same things but Samsung has reached the position of being the largest supplier of android phones on the planet and from that position of strength they lead and influence all the smaller players bellow them. If Samsung began to change it's attitude towards customers and treated them better then many of the smaller players would follow.
As for Google they don't make hardware only software the phones bearing the Google name are made by other phone manufacturers and again it's those manufacturers who dictate and control how long a phone is supported. Now Google could use it's licencing muscle to make the manufacturers behave better towards their customers and give better support but I don't know why they don't.
Android is open source true but the Android logo and Android OS version logo's are not they are copyright of Google and if any manufacturer wants to sell a phone with android on it they must comply with licencing terms and conditions set by Google. Now some of those conditions could be that manufacturers must give better support and for longer or that they must make available to the development communities the information needed to carry on support when the manufacturer no longer wants to do so. They could release information on things like drivers needed to interface with the hardware or better compatibility with the SOC's. No one is asking for the source codes to their whiz bang UI skins many don't like them and we certainly don't need them.
Google could use their position to make things better for everyone but I really don't know why they don't.

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Funny you should pick on Samsung out of all of the Android manufacturers; nearly all of them support their devices for only two years, even Google. So before you start complaining about how profit-greedy a company is, just remember that the company that *owns* Android doesn't even care to offer support for older devices. Also laughable that Google should make fun of Apple for ditching the headphone jack and look what they're doing with the Pixel 2. Pick a manufacturer, any manufacturer. You're not going to get the support you're looking for unless you switch to Apple.
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I know you're not talking directly to me but the reason I chimed in on this thread is because I have a Samsung. I've also had LG too and they're in the same boat with not updating their phones. Also One Plus and Motorola. I call all of them out but particularly focused on Samsung since I own a Note 5. That's all.

Yeah it sucks..I own a note 8... Really it's not a big update. They made a great phone with the note 5.

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Yeah it sucks..I own a note 8... Really it's not a big update. They made a great phone with the note 5.
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Dang really? Note 8 looks awesome. You're saying I'm not missing much by having a 5 still?

It's a nice phone. But the camera isn't better.. The front camera is worse in my opinion. Good screen and the size isn't much different. Slimmer but taller. Speed wise they are the same. Note 5 is just as snappy and fluid as the note 8

"before a Note 5 dev picks it up and creates a build for us."
So no one?

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"before a Note 5 dev picks it up and creates a build for us."
So no one?
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No doubt there will be a build but it's no good if you're using the tap and pay option