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[Q] Is SGS a good phone?

I have a question. SGS is a great device, with a super S-AMOLED display, so on and so forth. But the real question is: can it fulfill basic operations like calling? It has any signal dropping or things like that? Because somebody told me that Samsung aren't known for phones, and if I spend 450 euros for a phone, I want to be sure that I can really dial numbers with it. Don't take this post as a joke, because applefanboys also took iPhone 4's problem as a joke, and you must buy a certain bumper case for it to dial and call.

TudorEm said:
I have a question. SGS is a great device, with a super S-AMOLED display, so on and so forth. But the real question is: can it fulfill basic operations like calling? It has any signal dropping or things like that? Because somebody told me that Samsung aren't known for phones, and if I spend 450 euros for a phone, I want to be sure that I can really dial numbers with it. Don't take this post as a joke, because applefanboys also took iPhone 4's problem as a joke, and you must buy a certain bumper case for it to dial and call.
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no problem with phone calls at all
the only known issues with gps fault and lag, which are both fixed with the latest firmware

Brilliant! Cheers for replying! So does SGS worth?

TudorEm said:
Brilliant! Cheers for replying! So does SGS worth?
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SGS is worth it, plus add in untapped potential with Froyo and better games in the future, we are only scrapping the surface.
As for Samsung not being known for phones, this is entirely untrue. They are the 2nd biggest cell phone manufacturer in the world and the largest seller of phones in the US.
Samsung's issue is that they aren't known for their smartphones, with less than 5% of the global market, and they are known for dropping or never starting the support on the phones. However, they have already acknowledged GPS (from what I've read) and that they are looking into it, some people have little issues with the GPS. Also, they have already released official firmware updates in at least 3 countries. I think the difference in support is mostly due to carriers, as their biggest market (besides the US but they just recently launched) and most trusted parter SK they have issued 4 firmware updates.
I owned the original iPhone so this is my first Samsung smartphone, but I've got it and am not looking back.

TudorEm said:
Brilliant! Cheers for replying! So does SGS worth?
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In my opinion, it really is worth of every cent.

[email protected] said:
In my opinion, it really is worth of every cent.
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Heh, you're not the only one, and I don't say that from my opinion, I say that from the reading of how much these phones were going for on Ebay and other p2p sales. Meaning, they were often worth more than their asking price. And, all the people who bought them in these countries...well only there were so many people who opened the box without even thinking of selling...To them, it means that it was worth more than the street (Ebay) selling prices (assuming they knew or considered the possibility, of course not all did)!

Bell Getting LAME Version Of Note?

http://www.bell.ca/Mobility/Product...msung_Galaxy_Note_Branded_Kw=bell_galaxy_note
This is NOT the N7000, correct?

ALL LTE Notes are Snapdragon based. There is no way around.

Is the snap dragon really that lame? I mean unless in gaming i doubt anyone can tell the difference...

I guess the next question is, with the i717 coming to North America, what will the development be like for that device?

Do carriers do this on purpose - do they not realize that a smartphone is a computer with special io? That with something as complex as a computer - we want standards - so we can upgrade, fix, build-upon, write instructions for, build a community around, and understand our systems. We needed one note, not 15 variants - that works for toasters but not for mobile computer systems. I am in Canada but bought a international Note for this reason.
At some point you would hope this hold on tech by the carriers goes down. I ask my students, would they buy a BMW at a much reduced rate ( rather than just taking out a loan and owning it) if they signed a contract where they were forced to buy brand expensive gas for it from one station, could on drive it on certain highways - all with tolls, that others with that car and those highways all had different deals where some were being charged differently, others could on be on the highway at night, where the company was allow to change the engine, take out components, rebrand the color and name and logo, put on cheaper tires and put in devices to spy on you. Of course not.

Always wondered why the carriers are so controlling in NA. Look how many variants of the S and S2 there were?
How come this does not apply to Apple? is it because the carriers believe it to be so drool worthy to not bother with an iPhone 4S Fascinate or whatever, or Apple simply says you want that stuff you.
In EU, there is one Note, 1 S, 1 S2, works across the whole place, base code is the same aside from languages, etc.
Is it the carriers, is it a cultural thing, or something else?
Cheer,

This is exactly what Steve Jobs meant by fragmentation. Why do we need so many variants? Why do we have so many versions of Android firmware? So many versions that no one can even tell how one is different than another.

What a **** thing to do to such a sweet device.....Crapdragon should be done away with period.....this is old tech that even their newest version does stray from its roots. But with the longevity of a phones life at this point I don't think anyone gives a crap anymore. Samsung sure has a way of beating down great devices though.
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EarlZ said:
Is the snap dragon really that lame? I mean unless in gaming i doubt anyone can tell the difference...
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Not really, but when you want the most powerful phone on the market and you get the slower version instead, i understand why people are "pissed". You want THE Note and not the retarded cousin.

obakesan said:
Always wondered why the carriers are so controlling in NA. Look how many variants of the S and S2 there were?
How come this does not apply to Apple? is it because the carriers believe it to be so drool worthy to not bother with an iPhone 4S Fascinate or whatever, or Apple simply says you want that stuff you.
In EU, there is one Note, 1 S, 1 S2, works across the whole place, base code is the same aside from languages, etc.
Is it the carriers, is it a cultural thing, or something else?
Cheer,
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People in the USA want CHEAP, so the carriers figured out a way to lock
them in (cut down the churn rate), and offer them a "good deal". People
see the price of a phone as 500 bucks....BBBBUUUUUUTTTTTT, if you sign
a 2 year contract, we'll let you have it for 49.99. Idiot consumers, who have
no idea of economics, think they are screwing the carriers by getting a phone
for 50 bucks not thinking that if it was a bad deal for the carriers, why would
they do it....similar to people thinking they can go go Vegas & clean up, not
thinking how those multimillion dollar hotels get built & how they can offer the
food, drinks, rooms for free or reduced rates.

p51d007 said:
People in the USA want CHEAP, so the carriers figured out a way to lock
them in (cut down the churn rate), and offer them a "good deal". People
see the price of a phone as 500 bucks....BBBBUUUUUUTTTTTT, if you sign
a 2 year contract, we'll let you have it for 49.99. Idiot consumers, who have
no idea of economics, think they are screwing the carriers by getting a phone
for 50 bucks not thinking that if it was a bad deal for the carriers, why would
they do it....similar to people thinking they can go go Vegas & clean up, not
thinking how those multimillion dollar hotels get built & how they can offer the
food, drinks, rooms for free or reduced rates.
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I'm not sure this has anything to do with a subsidized pricing....and more to do with the fact that LTE and Snapdragon are work together with no problems.....I have read that the Exynos does fine with LTE but at this point all the high end LTE phones are getting it. Maybe there is a reason that the processor/network pairing is becoming redundant.
As far as subsidized phones the AT&T SGS2 is essentially the same device as the international....and 200 subsidized.....549 to buy it outright is not exactly a drop in the bucket for some and higher end devices on Verizon are now 300 subsidized. Also the other networks that got lower end versions did so to accommodate their network. Not saying your theory is wrong.....but I'm not convinced its about the cost as much as I am about the fact that each carrier in the US wants their own version of everything....and to the general public there isn't even a difference as long as the names the same. Look at the first round of Galaxy phones.
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ACTUALLY the adrenno 220 which is in the s3 chipset is just slightly better than the Mali 400 which is In the exynos chipset.
Technically gaming should and probably will be better. Daily operation will also most likely be the same. Only thing I could see being a potential problem is 1080p playback.
You guys have to remember Samsung does the best optimazation with any soc.
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HarmonyFlame said:
ACTUALLY the adrenno 220 which is in the s3 chipset is just slightly better than the Mali 400 which is In the exynos chipset.
Technically gaming should and probably will be better. Daily operation will also most likely be the same. Only thing I could see being a potential problem is 1080p playback.
You guys have to remember Samsung does the best optimazation with any soc.
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This has been discussed to great length and I don't believe anyone agreed that the Adrenno was actually "better"....in fact I think spec wise they each do different things well.....but I don't even want to entertain another debate. I am not a fan of anything Qualcomm....weaknesses always seem to show themselves shortly after owning them.....the Exynos seems to get better with age.
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Heres my bottom line: exynos is great, s3 is good. So fwiw I don't think calling any variation of the Gnote crap is fair.
It seems to me also my dhd runs great on its s2 chip to this day. Just saying.
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tylerdurdin said:
This has been discussed to great length and I don't believe anyone agreed that the Adrenno was actually "better"....in fact I think spec wise they each do different things well.....but I don't even want to entertain another debate. I am not a fan of anything Qualcomm....weaknesses always seem to show themselves shortly after owning them.....the Exynos seems to get better with age.
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Any link to that debate? I would like to read about it..
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reason for north america's note being different is the exynos cpu doesnt do LTE *next gen is said to support LTE though*
therefor they had to change it up because carriers here are boner hungry over LTE lately.
ill keep my n7000.

naimmkassim said:
Any link to that debate? I would like to read about it..
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Here ya go....its a typical case of benchmark vs. real world.....Adrenno wins then Mali more powerful....then read Anandtechs review that says the Mali is the most powerful beast ever.....and then they list a bunch of weaknesses....??????.....but keep reading because then they start saying its untouchable again....then if your still thirsty just start clicking every link you come across....nothing is one sided....other than benchmarks that are said not to matter for both phones...?????....I will find more links and update....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1085149
http://androidandme.com/2011/09/devices/galaxy-s-ii-mali-400-gpu-boasts-fastest-graphics-on-the-market/
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When the h*ll is this going to arrive in the USA?

I just don't get the delays for the release of this tab in the USA. It's not like there market situation will be better AFTER the iPad3 comes out so what's the f'n hold up. I know I can import but that exposes you to support issues I'd rather not deal with.
So, when is Verizon going to actually have these for sale for Christ sake???
Brian

It will come to the US as soon as carriers disable enough features and bloat it up.
In the case of AT&T, they have the least amount of work to do, because the 7.7 is already fully compatible with their network. T-Mobile is half way there in that they're a GSM provider, but tweaks would have to be made for a 1700mhz AWS version of the 7.7
In the case of Sprint, Verizon, or any other CDMA carrier, Samsung basically has to rebuild the entire device from ground up and start from scratch to make it work.
As for support issues, you really don't have as much to worry about as you might think. For starters, with a device like a tablet or smartphone, fixing problems or issues you might have are 9 times out of 10 going to be a case of, the manufacturer backing up and moving your data from the faulty device over to a brand new one, as opposed to actually opening it up and "fixing" the problem.
Also, depending on who you buy/import from, those sellers usually help with facilitating any warranty claims you might make, assuming your warranty claim can't be fulfilled domestically by the manufacturer in the first place.
Finally, if you really that worried about it, you can always purchase 3rd party insurance for your device. For instance, for about ~$70 - $80 for 1 year, you can protect your device with a policy, from something like SafeWare, that covers everything from theft, accidental damage, cracked screens, etc.

Well I can see two different hardware platforms depending on carrier but the LTE version earmarked for Verizon has already been demo'd at CES so we know Verizon is getting it. I just don't get why Samsung in particular has such a problem in getting to market. They announced this tab in September but there is still nothing about a release date in the USA.
I've asked this before but got no response -- supposedly, the LTE version also has the Eynos uP but since the Note in LTE could not use the Exynos I have some concern that the LTE version of the tab may not actually use the Exynos -- can anyone confirm the uP in the LTE (Verizon) version...
I ordered a 750GB notebook HD and a 64GB uSDXC flash card last night so I hope the Sammy tab is available soon. The HD is for my laptop whoes 500GB drive is almost filled.
Brian

Speculation is that the Verizon version will have a Qualcom Snapdragon processer of similar specs to the Exnos that will play nice with LTE.

For people like me - who would never buy anything from Verizon, and would not buy a CDMA device on general principles, I would love a United States distributor for the GSM and WIFI versions.

I'm hoping the reason for the delay with the previously announced Verizon version is that they've decided to launch it with ICS. It would kind of make sense to release it with ICS so it could be advertised as Verizon's first ICS tablet. Not to mention, many of reviews of the 3.2 version of the tablet have cited that it just seems slow, like the majority of honeycomb tablets.
I really think ICS is the cure for people not happy with the performance of honeycomb tablets. I for one was disappointed with the galaxy tab 7 plus which definitely had the specs to be able to run honeycomb. But, even with an exynos processor, it had lag that just shouldn't be there. I think honeycomb was never polished enough to make things run the way they should on such a powerful processor.
Lets hope the 7.7 comes to Verizon soon with ICS. If it does, I'll be buying it immediately. If it releases with 3.2, I will buy to test, but if the performance is similar to the 7.0+, I'll be returning it. Honeycomb just seems to bog down tablets, even if their specs should theoretically perform outstandingly.

rmm200 said:
For people like me - who would never buy anything from Verizon, and would not buy a CDMA device on general principles, I would love a United States distributor for the GSM and WIFI versions.
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At last, somebody with my beliefs! LOL.
Kidding aside, I agree though. I dislike CDMA with a passion. Contracts even more so. I'm just really glad Negri Electronics is selling the international version and I was fortunate enough to have a GT 8.9 to sell to foot the full retail price.
I really wish it could be available through BB, Amazon, GSM vendors, and others soon.

maretus said:
I'm hoping the reason for the delay with the previously announced Verizon version is that they've decided to launch it with ICS. It would kind of make sense to release it with ICS so it could be advertised as Verizon's first ICS tablet. Not to mention, many of reviews of the 3.2 version of the tablet have cited that it just seems slow, like the majority of honeycomb tablets.
I really think ICS is the cure for people not happy with the performance of honeycomb tablets. I for one was disappointed with the galaxy tab 7 plus which definitely had the specs to be able to run honeycomb. But, even with an exynos processor, it had lag that just shouldn't be there. I think honeycomb was never polished enough to make things run the way they should on such a powerful processor.
Lets hope the 7.7 comes to Verizon soon with ICS. If it does, I'll be buying it immediately. If it releases with 3.2, I will buy to test, but if the performance is similar to the 7.0+, I'll be returning it. Honeycomb just seems to bog down tablets, even if their specs should theoretically perform outstandingly.
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Firstly, I doubt that ICS is the main cause for the wait on VZW's 7.7. As I mentioned above, I think it's probably a lot more likely that Samsung essentially has to build, from scratch, a whole new custom device, just for Verizon, and in high enough numbers, that it will be marketable enough to American suckers, who don't mind locking themselves into overpriced, under featured, 2-year contracts with expensive ETF's, and all who are willing to tolerate a gimped version of original (I'm talking about the nixed phone functionality here), so they're effectively forced into buying two devices to fill two roles, and pay two line subscriptions instead one (or pay a stupid, greedy, artificial fee to tether, if not paying for two separate lines). Join that crowd? Hell no! No thank you!
Let's not forget too, that building these devices in large quantities takes time, and this special order for Verizon, on top of demand from the rest of the world for the WiFi and unlocked 3G versions, is probably your main source for delay.
Finally, yes, Honeycomb is not the best iteration of Android to date. Yes, things will invariably be better with ICS. However, Honeycomb is MUCH better than, say, Gingerbread. I mean, since 3.2 (which is what we have here), GPU accelerated UI comes natively right out of the box, just like it will with ICS.
Honestly, the real culprit here isn't Honeycomb itself, but rather TouchWiz on Honeycomb.
Have you tried any home launchers other than TouchWiz yet? No? Then quit your whining about lag, because apparently you're too lazy to even try doing one of the easiest things you can do to alleviate the real problem. And yet you're probably going to jump onto updating to ICS the second it's available (a much more involved process than changing your launcher I might add)
Seriously, throw ADW EX on your 7.7, and watch it take off like a Saturn V rocket!
To sum up, import an unlocked 7.7 instead of waiting. Get the WiFi version if you don't need it for a phone. If you like the phone idea, get that version and use it on a GSM network here. Get a cheap pay as you go plan or something, or if you're already a (preferably AT&T, for fully compatibility reasons) GSM subscriber, continue to use your existing plan. If you want LTE speeds, tether to your LTE device. And finally, you can protect your device with a 3rd party insurance policy from somewhere like SafeWare. I just called them, and they confirmed that they can cover the imported 7.7 for a little more than $50 per year, and that covers everything from theft, damage, lost device, etc. Everything. So don't talk to me about warranty issues anymore, I have just invalidated that argument.
Choice is a good thing for consumers. It's a bad thing that American consumers allow big carriers to dictate what we can and cannot buy domestically.

The rumor launch date on Verizon is February 23. And If i was betting man its going to launch with Honeycomb 3.2
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Remember the one big difference is the Verizon version WILL NOT have phone capabilities. For me that was a deal breaker.
If anyone is worried about warranty. I purchased a 2 year plan WITH accidental damage through SquareTrade for $90.

Jade Eyed Wolf;Honestly said:
Seriously, throw ADW EX on your 7.7, and watch it take off like a Saturn V rocket!
Choice is a good thing for consumers. It's a bad thing that American consumers allow big carriers to dictate what we can and cannot buy domestically.
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Honeycomb is laggy touch wiz or not. I've owned a xoom from the beginning and while it's much better with 3.2 than it was at 3.0, it still is quite slow. The 7.7 is no doubt faster without TW but I know for a fact honeycomb is still slow and I don't think any amount of hardware or different launchers is going to fix some of its issues. I really like 7.7, I just want it to be lag free completely and thus far I haven't seen a honeycomb device without lag.
And while I'm not a big fan of Verizon, I certainly don't want an 8 inch phone anyways and trading that off for LTE is a plus in my book.

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Honeycomb is laggy touch wiz or not. I've owned a xoom from the beginning and while it's much better with 3.2 than it was at 3.0, it still is quite slow. The 7.7 is no doubt faster without TW but I know for a fact honeycomb is still slow and I don't think any amount of hardware or different launchers is going to fix some of its issues. I really like 7.7, I just want it to be lag free completely and thus far I haven't seen a honeycomb device without lag.
And while I'm not a big fan of Verizon, I certainly don't want an 8 inch phone anyways and trading that off for LTE is a plus in my book.
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You should take a look at this then, and just see for yourself how nice ADW EX really is on the 7.7!

What's with the American S3 dislikes? It's technically better...

It seems that a lot of people have bought the international version of the S3 and can't seem to accept that their phone is inferior. I've read a lot of stuff and so far it seems that the American S3 is better overall.
- You have LTE support. It's very fast and the latest technology, so why not stream those HD YouTube and Netflix videos easily? Besides you can always revert back to HSPA+.
- You have 2GB RAM as opposed to 1GB. That's pretty self explanatory, you are getting double the RAM and probably will not have to worry about any memory issues for years to come.
- S3 custom androids and dev can always be ported, and also since most Americans will be using the American version, you can be assured that there will be tons of great android development from North Americans.
- The Snapdragon processor is faster for single threaded applications and is a power house on its own. Let's not forget overclocking. I will not say say "quad core is overkill" because in a few years dual cores will be obsolete. Technology moves fast.
- Locked bootloaders will be cracked and bloatware can be removed.
- You can always unlock your phone to use it on another carrier.
- Warranty will be easy as you can take it to the store and whatnot.
The only cons I can think of:
- Wolfson sound chip may not be on the American S3, which will be a disappointment but as long as the sound is good I don't see a big issue here.
- International is a bit cheaper in price.
- International is better for, international people. Unless you're going around the world in many countries you are fine with the American S3.

Mines better than yours? Because I have mine...

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It seems that a lot of people have bought the international version of the S3 and can't seem to accept that their phone is inferior. I've read a lot of stuff and so far it seems that the American S3 is better overall.
- You have LTE support. It's very fast and the latest technology, so why not stream those HD YouTube and Netflix videos easily? Besides you can always revert back to HSPA+.
- You have 2GB RAM as opposed to 1GB. That's pretty self explanatory, you are getting double the RAM and probably will not have to worry about any memory issues for years to come.
- S3 custom androids and dev can always be ported, and also since most Americans will be using the American version, you can be assured that there will be tons of great android development from North Americans.
- The Snapdragon processor is faster for single threaded applications and is a power house on its own. Let's not forget overclocking. I will not say say "quad core is overkill" because in a few years dual cores will be obsolete. Technology moves fast.
- Locked bootloaders will be cracked and bloatware can be removed.
- You can always unlock your phone to use it on another carrier.
- Warranty will be easy as you can take it to the store and whatnot.
The only cons I can think of:
- Wolfson sound chip may not be on the American S3, which will be a disappointment but as long as the sound is good I don't see a big issue here.
- International is a bit cheaper in price.
- International is better for, international people. Unless you're going around the world in many countries you are fine with the American S3.
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There's no dislikes whatsoever. The problem is this topic, people boasting about which one is better and why. That causes the hate. You are part of this problem by attaching "it's technically better" without any real facts or proof.

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There's no dislikes whatsoever. The problem is this topic, people boasting about which one is better and why. That causes the hate. You are part of this problem by attaching "it's technically better" without any real facts or proof.
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Agree what's with people yours is better than mine... It's like a bunch of kids.
Buy the one you like and be done with.
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Wow us model gets 2 gigs of ram? Hmm why didn't they give the international version 2 gigs?
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I want the International version simply for the fact that I have no need for LTE and I can pay $10 a month for Unlimited and unthrottled data.
Specs wise they are pretty evenly matched.

so far the biggest Pro that you mentioned is LTE to me.....all the others i think the International trumps its stateside counterparts.
LTE is great, but you can stream movies just fine on HSPA+ and not have freezing and stuttering. rest is just to keep with the international version.
dont glorify something that does not need it.....they BOTH are great devices.

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- S3 custom androids and dev can always be ported, and also since most Americans will be using the American version, you can be assured that there will be tons of great android development from North Americans.
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And yet all the previous American phones lagged in development.
Also, a great big gaping con:
-Most carriers will bundle their S3 with their extraordinate monthly fees. When you say the international is "a bit cheaper", you really should mean $500-$1000 cheaper.
(Than getting an international with prepaid, for instance. Or hell, if you can get that $10/month plan, the opportunity costs of getting the carrier version just skyrocket, no pun intended.)
2 gigs of ram does sound interesting if it allows for better multitasking. I hope there are more positive effects than just freezing fewer programs.

No lie, there is about a dozen threads where you can grind this axe, avail yourself of them.

IMO the international version is better for 2 reasons: The Exynos quad core and the Mali GPU is better ( not much but still slightly better ) than the S4/Adreno 225 and it will have MUCH MUCH better development ( as every international version )! The latter is very important for me. I find 1 gig of RAM more than enough but 2 gigs would be nice for showing off to my friends!

Both are great phones, I just feel that this time the Americans didn't get shafted. Also this phone is going to be big so to say there will be dev lag is absurd. And for those who pay a lot per month, try getting a deal on retention.. I'm paying very little and getting tons of data.
And of course I am referring to Canadians and Americans.

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And for those who pay a lot per month, try getting a deal on retention.. I'm paying very little and getting tons of data.
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How much and which carrier?

I just ordered the international yesterday after knowing the ATT specs. For me I'd rather have 4 cores and the best hackability.
2 gb of ram is nice, but I don't run out with the GN so I'm not concerned.
LTE isn't available where I live. When I travel it would be nice, but I also need my battery to get through a day.
Like it or not a lot of your items are saying things will be ported or will be unlocked. Things don't always get unlocked and at the very least you are behind the international on things getting done.

The american will have same battry capacity 2100mah bt it will last more then international bcoz of krait core power efficient cpu!

Frostie123 said:
- International is a bit cheaper in price.
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thebobp said:
And yet all the previous American phones lagged in development.
Also, a great big gaping con:
-Most carriers will bundle their S3 with their extraordinate monthly fees. When you say the international is "a bit cheaper", you really should mean $500-$1000 cheaper.
(Than getting an international with prepaid, for instance. Or hell, if you can get that $10/month plan, the opportunity costs of getting the carrier version just skyrocket, no pun intended.)
2 gigs of ram does sound interesting if it allows for better multitasking. I hope there are more positive effects than just freezing fewer programs.
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How is the international cheaper? From what I see, it's around $694 for the international(Cheapest I have seen so far) the ATT version full price is $550, the verizon one will be $599 so if you buy the phone outright it's still cheaper than the international version. I'm going to be paying the same monthly fees regardless of which one I get as I wont be changing plans or carriers.
I'm on the fence on which to get. I think I will wait until it's in an ATT store and I play with one before I decide. I'll also see if the samsung showroom here in NYC has an international version for me to play with. or wait until someone does a side by side video of the two. I wont be able to buy it until mid July anyway so that will give me more time to get a comparison of the two

Wolfson sound chip may not be on the American S3, which will be a disappointment but as long as the sound is good I don't see a big issue here.
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Actually, you need to check the RMAA test for the HTC One S. I heard it has great sound quality.
You can always unlock your phone to use it on another carrier.
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If the T-Mobile S3 support ATT band as well, which the spec sheet seems to say so, then it'll be very useful, similar to how the Vibrant was, but this time with 850MHz also. This is the only thing that compels me on the S3 right now in addition to minor hardware update.
Locked bootloaders will be cracked and bloatware can be removed.
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It's still nowhere convenient as a Nexus were you get OTA and not having to wait for the custom roms to bring it back to stock experience. With that said, I don't think the T-Mobile version will be bootloader locked and rooting Samsung phones has always been easy for me.
I'll wait a couple months to see the price go down and any news on the next Nexus. But for people still on single core phones, this will be a big leap.
I do think that people dismissing the American version since its dualcore is a mistake. I prefer to the American version due to newer and more efficient CPU and the more ram. But that's a hard call when weighing it against international unlocked and bloat free and definitely with more developers working on. I don't even care about the quadcore aspect of this phone, you are bound to make a wrong purchase decision if you just look at one selling point.

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I just ordered the international yesterday after knowing the ATT specs. For me I'd rather have 4 cores and the best hackability.
2 gb of ram is nice, but I don't run out with the GN so I'm not concerned.
LTE isn't available where I live. When I travel it would be nice, but I also need my battery to get through a day.
Like it or not a lot of your items are saying things will be ported or will be unlocked. Things don't always get unlocked and at the very least you are behind the international on things getting done.
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I doubt it will be locked. The Captivate and the GS2 on ATT were not locked and very easily hackable. The ATT version of the GS2 was so close to the international hw wise that we can port pretty much anything from the International gs2 pretty easily. What will making porting more difficult this time around is the different CPU's but it will be possible, just not as easy as it was to port stuff from the intl GS2.
edit: when you said unlocked I was assuming you meant bootloader unlocked, if you meant SIM unlocked that should also not be too hard to do.

Frostie123 said:
It seems that a lot of people have bought the international version of the S3 and can't seem to accept that their phone is inferior.
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Oh dear. Sigh.

Frostie123 said:
It seems that a lot of people have bought the international version of the S3 and can't seem to accept that their phone is inferior. I've read a lot of stuff and so far it seems that the American S3 is better overall.
- You have LTE support. It's very fast and the latest technology, so why not stream those HD YouTube and Netflix videos easily? Besides you can always revert back to HSPA+.
- You have 2GB RAM as opposed to 1GB. That's pretty self explanatory, you are getting double the RAM and probably will not have to worry about any memory issues for years to come.
- S3 custom androids and dev can always be ported, and also since most Americans will be using the American version, you can be assured that there will be tons of great android development from North Americans.
- The Snapdragon processor is faster for single threaded applications and is a power house on its own. Let's not forget overclocking. I will not say say "quad core is overkill" because in a few years dual cores will be obsolete. Technology moves fast.
- Locked bootloaders will be cracked and bloatware can be removed.
- You can always unlock your phone to use it on another carrier.
- Warranty will be easy as you can take it to the store and whatnot.
The only cons I can think of:
- Wolfson sound chip may not be on the American S3, which will be a disappointment but as long as the sound is good I don't see a big issue here.
- International is a bit cheaper in price.
- International is better for, international people. Unless you're going around the world in many countries you are fine with the American S3.
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LTE is not yet mature and will continue to be a battery hog for at least a year. Everyone who says LTE is awesome seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that even HSPA+ makes it VERY easy to hit your data cap.
2GB RAM so far has little benefit - current devices are doing just fine with 1GB
International S3 development work will be 90% nonportable to the North American mangled carrier variants. If you don't believe me - look at the T989 and I727 forums and compare them to the I9100 forum. Compare the I717 forum to the GT-N7000 forum in terms of development.
This becomes especially obvious when you look at AOSP bringups. Because the international S3 is highly similar to the international S2, the CM9 bringup for that device is progressing rapidly. Meanwhile, the T989/I727/I717 CM9 bringups are still in "alpha" quality stages due to the lack of documentation on Qualcomm SoCs and the lack of commonality with international variants.
This is one of the big keys - North American carriers are highly notorious for long delays with updates. This means that you will not see updates or kernel source for your specific variant for a long time after international variants receive updates. Now, if your carrier variant is highly similar to the international device (SGH-I777 vs. GT-I9100), the international device's kernel source release may be all your need. If your carrier variant has a completely different SoC - you're SOL.

leftheodo said:
IMO the international version is better for 2 reasons: The Exynos quad core and the Mali GPU is better ( not much but still slightly better ) than the S4/Adreno 225 and it will have MUCH MUCH better development ( as every international version )! The latter is very important for me. I find 1 gig of RAM more than enough but 2 gigs would be nice for showing off to my friends!
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Tmali 400 gpu is verclocked and software optimized than s2 one and its way better than adreno 225. If u wanna game a lot u would wanna pick international version.I have seen guy playing nova 3 he said console quality graphics.it runs so smooth.
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Sell my S7 Edge to buy a Xiaomi MI6?

I recently upgraded from an S6Edge to an S7Edge but im not happy with this sidegrade, honestly other then more battery life the rest is pretty much on par...so i was thinking to sell the S7Edge and buy the upcoming Xiaomi MI6 which should use the new Snapdragon 835...
What do you guys think? Is it worth or not?

You asked the same question 4 days ago, please don't double post.
Your decision. Since you're regretting your S7E after only a week, I can't see any advice or recommendations won't result in the same. Do the research, only you can be sure.

No Band 20 on the Mi6.

B3311 said:
You asked the same question 4 days ago, please don't double post.
Your decision. Since you're regretting your S7E after only a week, I can't see any advice or recommendations won't result in the same. Do the research, only you can be sure.
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Is not the same question!! Perhaps your reading abilities have some issues?
Instead of threadcrapping, next time, try to not comment at all...no one is forcing you to reply.

The increase in processor power is only important in theory. We have reached a plateau where even last year's top processors are still ample. Manufacturer implementation of Android is imho far more important.
I had a look at the new S8 today and despite my misgivings about lack of useful new features I have to say it is a very sexy (!) phone. Problem is if you are unhappy with Samsung it probably won't do much for you either.

drummerman said:
The increase in processor power is only important in theory. We have reached a plateau where even last year's top processors are still ample. Manufacturer implementation of Android is imho far more important.
I had a look at the new S8 today and despite my misgivings about lack of useful new features I have to say it is a very sexy (!) phone. Problem is if you are unhappy with Samsung it probably won't do much for you either.
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The S8 looks good but other then that it doesnt look that much of an improvement...and the price is way too high..

The lack of band 20 4G (800MHz) was a dealbreaker for me when deciding on buying Xiaomi phones. I was just about to buy a Mi5 when I found out that I'd have problems with 4G.
Band 20 is used widely in my country by the top providers and Xiaomi phones regularly don't support it, causing them to fallback to 3G+ speeds.

loris100 said:
Is not the same question!! Perhaps your reading abilities have some issues?
Instead of threadcrapping, next time, try to not comment at all...no one is forcing you to reply.
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Charming. Public forum. I want to reply, and my advice is genuine. If you get buyer's remorse after a week with a S7E, what's to say it won't happen again with whatever you choose next? Hence, oh angry one, I suggested that you do a lot more research.
As said - no-one can decide what is the best phone for you and your needs but yourself (although clearly you have trouble in that department). Maybe try an iPhone?

loris100 said:
What do you guys think? Is it worth or not?
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Yes/no/maybe.
Should i wear my hair up or down today? What about the shirt, is red ok or too much?

I got a reply for you. "LOL"
ok, bye.

I think it does not worth it. Seriously, wait for another generation of flagships to come. S7 edge, is still a great phone.

rowain said:
I think it does not worth it. Seriously, wait for another generation of flagships to come. S7 edge, is still a great phone.
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I dont know...im just disappointed with the s7edge...thats why im considering to buy a Xiaomi...i can sell the s7edge for around 370-400 euro and buy a Xiaomi MI6 and still save money...but the fact that it might not have band20 as someone suggested meaning no LTE in Europe is a problem.

loris100 said:
I dont know...im just disappointed with the s7edge...thats why im considering to buy a Xiaomi...i can sell the s7edge for around 370-400 euro and buy a Xiaomi MI6 and still save money...but the fact that it might not have band20 as someone suggested meaning no LTE in Europe is a problem.
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How can you know, that there is no band 20? Maybe they will suprise us all this time
But its realy the only reason why I dont buy xiaomi phones.
Why are you disappointed with your s7 edge? I have a s7 and i happy with it.

loris100 said:
I dont know...im just disappointed with the s7edge...thats why im considering to buy a Xiaomi...i can sell the s7edge for around 370-400 euro and buy a Xiaomi MI6 and still save money...but the fact that it might not have band20 as someone suggested meaning no LTE in Europe is a problem.
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The odds are it won't have b20 unless they make a global version like with the mi note 2 and redmi note 4.

Galaxy s8. Why not?

For me the most important thing is the camera and a good display. If you also look for this, then you cannot by anything else than Samsung.

My 2 cents
Look at the features the S7E has because the phone has alot of hidden features that you won't find in two weeks on your own. But look at the features and compare them.. not the look of the phones tho.
Write down what features you need in a phone/device and what features are not important at all then you kinda have a check list at that point. Phone that meets your needs most wins..

Xiaomi MI6 probably has a kirin processor