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Why doesn't T-mobile ever step up.....

On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"

When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.

I was extremely excited about this Galaxy Tab, but in reality, the price is kind of a dealbreaker, and as far as I can tell, there is no wi-fi only version. I am not paying for another device on the network.
But as far as why T-mobile doesn't step up: it is just like mmalott says. Contracts have so many intricacies, so many things that have to get ironed out.
But for what it's worth, you don't know that they won't make it available for T-mobile yet. Maybe Samsung will go to all 4 carriers with it, you never know. We'll have to wait and see.

gthmcty1 said:
On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"
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I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.

The price is way to high for what is. For that price I can get a small fully functioning laptop that folds into a touch tablet.
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I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.

MilkPudding said:
I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.
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So true...

mmalott said:
When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.
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that. plus there's the fcc approvals needed for each band/network it supports.

I've seen websites saying Verizon is getting it to, it's not unlikely that they are just releasing on all the carriers like they have with the Galaxy S series. They aren't even out of here yet are they? Didn't this happen before with the Galaxy S series, one company said we are getting it then the others followed?

heygrl said:
I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.
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My man/girl where on earth did you get the notion that I was Sprint fan? I have been with Tmo for 7+ years and would not even think about switching services!!! My original point being is why doesn't Tmo "make a play" for things such as the Tablet or even a good , better, best smartphone, even if we do not get them?
Granted given the response by "mmalot" looking at it that way I completely see why Tmo has taken the path it has.
I am happy with Tmo no doubt but I just wish their aggressiveness would equate to a better selection of phone choices, granted the Vibrant which I love is no slouch even with it shortcomings is still a great phone in its own rights.
Regarding a phone such as the G2 which has not come out yet I am sure it will be a worthy opponent I am NOT bashing Tmo I am suggesting that they become slightly more aggressive.
Make sure you have a valid point or even comprehend the statement that is in front of you before you go "bumping your gums" and comment such as you have done.
And in closing I do not have a problem with Tmo as I stated have been a loyal customer for 7+ years (when they were voicestream wireless)and will remain a customer but I like everyone else am entitled to their opinion and I will exercise it at will "heygrl", so please do not try and come at me like I am coming from left field, it was a "freedom of speech" moment.

I do know that a lot of the times the carriers have to bid on the phones/devices that they get. Depending on the manufacturer/device. Would you rather have a g2, mytouch hd, and possibly 2-3 other big devices by the end of the year, or would you rather have a galaxy S that is a little bit larger, without the Super amoled? Do remember that T-Mobile is dropping a ton of funds on rocking out the HSPA+ across the country super fast, and they're the 4th largest carrier. They have to choose a lot more carefully about where to invest then the others.

If someone has a vibrant now, the g2 wil be irrelevant by the time they have to upgrade again. Should not be releasing phones so fast, imo.
Also I may etf my contact and move off android because the fragmentation and slow updates/buggy devices are unbearable.
Almost regret not staying on at&t and getting am iphone. This is ridiculous.
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L8ter n8ter
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Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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AT&T doesn't release an iPhone every year? T-Mobile releases 2 high-end devices within a few months and suddenly they need to slow down... according to other people they need MORE.. just stfu already.

N8ter said:
Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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If you like locked down fancy looking feature phones and a barely working network then ATT is for you, and they'll gladly take your money, enjoy you iPhone 4, we don't care, it's your money

At the end of the day the real reason we're all with tmobile (don't lie) is because of their great plans/ pricing and awesome customer service. If that wasn't the case we'd be all on verizon. I think their approach with the vibrant/g2/faster network this year will play out very well for them.

I hate when people get offended if you tell your opinion about a company. Heygrl the way you reacted on the last page was childish. Grow up, I dont understand why people pledge loyalty to a company then act like blinded fanboys if you tell the truth about them.
T-Mobile obviously needs to step up. Whether they get this tablet or not isn't a dealbreaker for me. Especially if there is no wifi only version. However they need more phones, more high end state of the art phones. Verizon and Sprint are rumored to release 1.5 Ghz phones this year, they are not slouching. The G2's hardware will be completely obsolete by 2011, it will be a new generation of hardware. People seem to think this phone is the best ever because of HSPA+. What happens when you never reach those plateaus of speed and the first dual-core devices drop this year? Gonna feel buyers remorse huh.
It's also rumored that Samsung is working on the Galaxy S2 phone with a 2Ghz processor, 4gb of rom, 1gb ram, super amoled2 and 340ppi. Now THAT'S a revolution, but you ignorant fanboys would never see that because your devoted loyalty to a company makes you think the G2 will be the best phone ever. Such a joke...
HTC has a conference in a week or so, you think their best announcement will be the G2? Come on now. They are working on 1.5-2ghz phones, new battery and screen tech, and dual core devices.
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Even though I don't always agree with Tmobile's business sense I do like their more conservative nature. I don't need 3-5 phones with 2ghz cpus and the latest greatest iPhone at the cost dealing with the stereotypical corporate giant. All I ask for is at least 1 -2 comparable smartphones (MyTouch Slide & Vibrant delivered beautifully), good customer service, and keep your hands out of my pockets. I think T-Mobile has done an outstanding job at doing this. Dealing with Tmo has been a personal experience as compared to dealing with AT&T which was the usual your-the-little-guy thing.
Tmo has left me in wonder plenty of times. Where I live just got 3g but they were trying to sell me a 3G phone prior to that? Why are you guys selling the MyTouch Slide for only $20 less then the Vibrant? Am I missing something there? You guys are rolling out 4G!? But... there's plenty of places that don't even have coverage, EDGE, or 3G yet? Just some of the things that make me scratch my head sometimes but in the end, AT&T and Verizon don't leave me with the satisfaction that T-Mobile does.
Personally I don't want or need 20 smartphones to choose from. Too many problems for the network, the consumer, and the manufactures which will leave more often then not unhappy under the quantity over quality method of thinking.
At the end of the day its your choice based on your experiences and opinion. And this is a forum where people voice experiences and opinion. Just wish people could be more civilized about it so that others can hear/read them without the annoying gibberish.

I guess the real reason that people are so upset with T-mobile is because T-mobile was the first with an android phone and the first with the Google Nexus One phone, and they have lost that crown.
After Sprint got the HTC Hero, T-mobile wasn't the only android carrier anymore, and when Verizon got the Droid, they decided to buy up 95% of the high-end android smart-phones for the next 1.5 years.
AT&T rode iPhone popularity to the top. T-mobile failed to do this with Android. Looking at Android growth & popularity, locking up a few high end exclusives over the next 2-3 years could have propelled T-mobile into 3rd place in terms of subscribers. If I were to guess, then I would say that this is the reason why the CEO got the boot.
T-mobile is not doing that bad...what they aren't doing is beating out the competition with any of their handsets. Everything they release is done bigger or better by another carrier.
Its not as exciting as a 4G release, or a heavily marketed branded line of android phones like Verizon does... but clear away the smoke and mirrors and you'll have to admit that T-mobile is probably tied for 2nd at best (with Sprint), or at worst 3rd overall on android handsets.
The only thing they are missing is a 4.3" high end device to be the definitive 2nd place android carrier.
As for being #1... it won't ever happen. Verizon has 3x the subscribers and charges 20% more for service. They have the cash to burn to stay on top in terms of handset selection.... which they pretty much have to because iPhone lovers will never leave AT&T until the handset is available elsewhere

AT&T-branded phone not looking good for U.S. Release

The more I read (which is entirely too much lately), the more it seems that the SG2 is going to take a long time to have an "official" release in the US. I try to put myself in the position of there possibly being two different consumers (one for the Infuse and one for the SG2). Unfortunately, I don't think there is a "need" for both devices. It really seems counterproductive for AT&T to release the SG2 so soon after the release of the Infuse.
Call me paranoid but, I would REALLY like to have a phone that isn't a gray item (for warranty). I have faith in the hardware but you never know with electronics.
Anyone have an opinion on it? I have an iP4 which is perfectly fine. I just REALLY want to get an Android device and would prefer to stay on AT&T (service locally is good, and I am on an unlimited data plan).

mattism78 said:
The more I read (which is entirely too much lately), the more it seems that the SG2 is going to take a long time to have an "official" release in the US. I try to put myself in the position of there possibly being two different consumers (one for the Infuse and one for the SG2). Unfortunately, I don't think there is a "need" for both devices. It really seems counterproductive for AT&T to release the SG2 so soon after the release of the Infuse.
Call me paranoid but, I would REALLY like to have a phone that isn't a gray item (for warranty). I have faith in the hardware but you never know with electronics.
Anyone have an opinion on it? I have an iP4 which is perfectly fine. I just REALLY want to get an Android device and would prefer to stay on AT&T (service locally is good, and I am on an unlimited data plan).
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If your iphone is in good shape and unlocked, sell on ebay for loads of cash. Purchase a sgs2 for 700-750. Still will be able to use your unlimited plan.
But I really dont see SGS2 on ATT anytime soon.

I thought there was some big non-carrier specific announcement by Samsung in New York on May 24th or something? Honestly, the Infuse is just an oversized SGS with an overclocked CPU.
If you've seen the video demonstrations of just how powerful the SGSII is, you'll start to realize these two devices are actually worlds apart. I'm using an unbranded SGSII, but if you're holding out for AT&T's version, don't give up yet!

You cold buy a SG2 overseas but it won't work on the same 3g band as AT&T. If you are planning to stay on at&t why don't you.buy the Motorola attic. I own one and its incredibly fast.
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cmd512 said:
I thought there was some big non-carrier specific announcement by Samsung in New York on May 24th or something? Honestly, the Infuse is just an oversized SGS with an overclocked CPU.
If you've seen the video demonstrations of just how powerful the SGSII is, you'll start to realize these two devices are actually worlds apart. I'm using an unbranded SGSII, but if you're holding out for AT&T's version, don't give up yet!
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I'm leaning on taking the dive early. And wicked car in your sig.

josuetenista said:
You cold buy a SG2 overseas but it won't work on the same 3g band as AT&T. If you are planning to stay on at&t why don't you.buy the Motorola attic. I own one and its incredibly fast.
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You'd be wrong, twice. It does indeed work on AT&Ts 3G/"4G" bands [unlocked]. Its also called the Motorola Atrix 4G, not the attic. While quick, MotoBLUR is garbage.

cmd512 said:
I thought there was some big non-carrier specific announcement by Samsung in New York on May 24th or something? Honestly, the Infuse is just an oversized SGS with an overclocked CPU.
If you've seen the video demonstrations of just how powerful the SGSII is, you'll start to realize these two devices are actually worlds apart. I'm using an unbranded SGSII, but if you're holding out for AT&T's version, don't give up yet!
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There's an announcement planned, yes. However, it could easily be for the AT&T branded Nexus S or one of the new tablets.
To those of us who care about hardware the phones (Infuse and SG2) are definitely worlds apart. However to Joe Consumer who doesn't know or care about hardware specs, I don't think it will matter.
The wife keeps giving me the evil-eye when I mention ordering one from the UK. I think I'm wearing her down though

josuetenista said:
You cold buy a SG2 overseas but it won't work on the same 3g band as AT&T. If you are planning to stay on at&t why don't you.buy the Motorola attic. I own one and its incredibly fast.
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I've messed with an Atrix. Seemed OK. Not spectacular though. I have a friend who actually returned his for the HTC Inspire (and loves it). That doesn't speak well to me. Plus EVERYTHING I've seen about the SG2 proves it's definitely the cat's meow (currently).

kakwvu said:
I'm leaning on taking the dive early. And wicked car in your sig.
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Appreciate it, friend.
mattism78 said:
There's an announcement planned, yes. However, it could easily be for the AT&T branded Nexus S or one of the new tablets.
To those of us who care about hardware the phones (Infuse and SG2) are definitely worlds apart. However to Joe Consumer who doesn't know or care about hardware specs, I don't think it will matter.
The wife keeps giving me the evil-eye when I mention ordering one from the UK. I think I'm wearing her down though
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It's not just about the specs, those specs translate into REAL world performance differences. The SGSII has not even had the slightest hiccup with web browsing... regardless of how many windows are open, how many graphics are in each window, etc. My SGS, while great when it came out, easily got bogged down, and multi-window browsing was never a truly usable feature. Given the Infuse is has almost identical specs to an SGS, I predict it will have similar issues.
People keep thinking these specs being listed off are only for geeks, but once in a while, they do relate to real world usability and performance differences. And when they do, they are QUITE significant.

The title of your thread almost gave me a heart attack thinking there was some type of major technical issue uncovered. My SGS2 arrives tomorrow. More appropriate title would be "AT&T-branded phone not looking good in the U.S."
I guarantee you several hundred thousand of the 3MM presales are destined for AT&T. If you poke around the technical sites, the general consensus is a 4G version for VZW followed by AT&T this year. Nobody's even mentioning Sprint or T-Mobile. Depending on the timing, the SGS2 could be AT&T's first LTE phone. I haven't seen any updates on their LTE status but I'm guessing they're pushing to get something up quickly to show the world they'll be as good as VZW in the long run.

BarryH_GEG said:
The title of your thread almost gave me a heart attack thinking there was some type of major technical issue uncovered. My SGS2 arrives tomorrow. More appropriate title would be "AT&T-branded phone not looking good in the U.S."
I guarantee you several hundred thousand of the 3MM presales are destined for AT&T. If you poke around the technical sites, the general consensus is a 4G version for VZW followed by AT&T this year. Nobody's even mentioning Sprint or T-Mobile. Depending on the timing, the SGS2 could be AT&T's first LTE phone. I haven't seen any updates on their LTE status but I'm guessing they're pushing to get something up quickly to show the world they'll be as good as VZW in the long run.
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Sorry about the startle. I changed the title of the thread.
I am just frustrated (as are many I'm sure). I'd like to offload my iP4 before the value drops too much (iP5 release). Unfortunately, I'm unable to go without a phone and I am really nervous about a gray market item. Hell even an unbranded Samsung direct phone would work for me. I'm going to have to pay full price anyhow.

Yeah, I think ATT will get the SGS2 with LTE.

Use the fuzzy math I used to convince myself the phone was only $475. $800 - $325 (sold G2) = $475 Can you really put a price on whipping your phone out and gathering a crowd around to see it for a couple of months? My take on buying an import is you spin the wheel and take your chances. If you buy it in the UK, Samsung U.S. will service it. If you buy from Expansys they'll ship it back to the UK for you for service. How long you're without a phone is probably the biggest concern. If you use a credit card with buyers and/or warranty protection you'd have a back-up that will at least get you your money back. Go ahead, you know you want to do it

The event is NOT for the Nexus S for AT&T. Otherwise it would be an event WITH AT&T, not an independent Samsung event.

Hang in there OP. I am in the same boat. I refuse to replace my iPhone 4 with a $750 phone that will be $500 through my carrier. That's $250 in my pocket. Another $250 and I can buy one for my wife
I bet the event is for sgs2 variants. Nexus s doesn't warrant a bug event just like here in Canada it came quietly on all carriers. No big announcements. Many peope don't even know it lol.
The phone is been out a month and is at&t compatible. The event is def. about something more exciting

I'm in the same boat here, too. However after my experience with the Captivate, and the shoddy quality control of its hardware, and the still-present GPS woes and color-banding issues on the SGS II, it seems Samsung rushed yet another product to market and perhaps these extra couple months we'll have to wait will be well worth it in the end.

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The event is NOT for the Nexus S for AT&T. Otherwise it would be an event WITH AT&T, not an independent Samsung event.
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Could be the Tab 8.9 though.

I was wondering what could be that of the SGS II that recently went through the FCC with AT&T only bands?
I hoping the announcement on the 25th will be that Samsung will sell the GS II unlocked in the states and working on AT&T's network just like Google does sell their Nexus phones.

phonex1 said:
Hang in there OP. I am in the same boat. I refuse to replace my iPhone 4 with a $750 phone that will be $500 through my carrier. That's $250 in my pocket. Another $250 and I can buy one for my wife
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Do you really think it will be $500 subsidized??? There goes my dream of getting it through AT&T!!! The company only pays up to $100 for a new phone so $400 more is hefty *sob*

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Do you really think it will be $500 subsidized??? There goes my dream of getting it through AT&T!!! The company only pays up to $100 for a new phone so $400 more is hefty *sob*
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Go to "USA May 24th announcement" thread to discuss this, I think I mentioned pricing there, or I may be wrong.
I think there is no way the phone will be more than $250 with a 2 year contract on AT&T. My opinion (based on 12 years of buying AT&T phones on 4 lines) it will be around $250, before or after $50 mail-in rebate, depending on when it is getting released. Maybe just straight forward $200 with no rebates if it is released in the fall.

Ur opinion on Hercules not getting Exynos processor?

http://omgdroid.com/2011/09/12/t-mobile-leaves-customers-feeling-left-sgsii-variant/
So what do u think about the Hercules not getting the Exynos chip and the other three U.S SGS2 phones from other carriers will have it. I really dont know what to say???
**UPDATE** We will be getting Qualcomm 1.5Ghz dual-core APQ8060 processor will power the 4.52″ Super AMOLED Plus device. NICE

movieaddict said:
http://omgdroid.com/2011/09/12/t-mobile-leaves-customers-feeling-left-sgsii-variant/
So what do u think about the Hercules not getting the Exynos chip and the other three U.S SGS2 phones from other carriers will have it. I really dont know what to say???
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I think two words.....nexus prime

IMHO: im dropping my even more plus plan and walking into sprint and purchasing my epic 4g touch for 75 bucks as a new customer sign on bonus and never being throttled again [smiley face].
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deal breaker.

Yep. Lame. Ion.
I voided my warranty and your mum.

Its like getting a core duo instead of I7 which sucks
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If you get tegra2 and hdmi mirroring youll be.good to go.still. imo at least. Tegra2 isnt a pansy. It does suck though.
I voided my warranty and your mum.

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I think two words.....nexus prime
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That's IT. Nexus Prime I'm coming

If Nexus Prime comes to TMO, isn't it likely to also not have Exynos for the same 42 Mbps reason?
What I'm thinking is while it's unfortunate, it's not the end of the world. I'm more curious to see if it's got that damned Yamaha DAC, or if they wised up and went back to Wolfson.
Since I'm not eager to switch off of TMO just yet, unless the Nexus does come to TMO, I'm likely to get the SGS2/Hercules.

I really have been looking forward to the SGSII exynos proc....I probably wont be getting hercules for a multitude of reasons (mainly money) I would still get it if i could just to work on a kernel for it, but I would really prefer exynos vs anything else. Mainly because the Mali-400MP has significantly higher texture performance (lower geometry, but texture matters more for current loads)

Deal breaker. Well I was waiting for an ICS device anyway..which would be media prime
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I think two words.....nexus prime
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+1 10 char

I think I really meant #neveragain. Fool me once (behold 2) shame on me, fool me twice (vibrant) shame on you. There will be no third for me.
Thank you edt for making up for tmo's/samsux's malicious shortcomings
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IMHO: im dropping my even more plus plan and walking into sprint and purchasing my epic 4g touch for 75 bucks as a new customer sign on bonus and never being throttled again [smiley face].
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Sprint coverage and 3G speeds too terrible/slow for me, and they're virtually guaranteed not to improve that at any decent rate.
As terrible as AT&T is, I may have to leave T-Mobile for them and get an iPhone or something that allows me to get a 4GB data plan because I really need 3G coverage, and they put up a new tower right near here earlier this year.
But that's fine. They're getting all the good phones these days it seems, anyways...

for people who cant just walk up and leave tmobil like me. Ill still be getting the hercules because hands down its the best phone hands down by tmobil.

2 questions about the Prime:
1. on all different android/tech sites I keep seeing people say they will wait for the Prime...not that it is a bad idea, but its supposed to be made by samsung, so if tmobile gets it, wont they just do the same thing with the CPU? What Cpu is the Prime rumored to have?
2. It seems every android site i go to people are saying to pass this up for the Prime "in a couple/few weeks" It seems people are sure its coming to Tmobile and sure its coming in just a couple weeks. I keep seeing that as if its a fact....
I will probably wait to see the prime too, im just saying it seems like people are 100% sure of its specs, that it is coming to Tmobile, and that it is only a couple of weeks out...I dont see the manufactures that are releasing the GS2 (3 major except Verizon), releasing a nexus prime/droid/samsung prime within just a couple weeks of releasing the GS2....
any thoughts? Im not hating, i just want to be clued in as to why everyone is so sure its coming to Tmobile, in a few weeks and what CPU it will have???

I would wait and see. Supposedly the next nexus is 1,5 dual core ti omap 4460 and an overclocked powergx vr 540 or whatever its called. Its hard to say what to wait for. I want to see how well the phone handles with higher resolution and if the battery life is there. The latest tech nology is always a waiting game and there is something better around the corner always. Plus, i also want to see what moto brings to the table. I plan on getting a phone by december, and it is my intention, seriously, to have this next device for two years+.
I voided my warranty and your mum.

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I would wait and see. Supposedly the next nexus is 1,5 dual core ti omap 4460 and an overclocked powergx vr 540 or whatever its called. Its hard to say what to wait for. I want to see how well the phone handles with higher resolution and if the battery life is there. The latest tech nology is always a waiting game and there is something better around the corner always. Plus, i also want to see what moto brings to the table. I plan on getting a phone by december, and it is my intention, seriously, to have this next device for two years+.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
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relating this to my question right above, assuming the nexus prime is a samsung phone, I thought most people wanted the samsung exynos processor in it; which is why many are disappointed by the Hercules not getting it...?
So i don't know anything about the ti processor you are referring to, but how is it supposed to compare to the samsung exynos processor? I guess im am just confused that we all wanted the exynos on the hercules, but are ok that it is not rumored to be in the nexus prime?

It's almost retarded, this choice of them. I don't need to download stuff at 4.5 MB/s at all times, but I need to have a fast and responsive device with a nice energy management at absolutely all times. 21 Mbps on a f'ing phone is already overkill.

jRi0T68 said:
If Nexus Prime comes to TMO, isn't it likely to also not have Exynos for the same 42 Mbps reason?
What I'm thinking is while it's unfortunate, it's not the end of the world. I'm more curious to see if it's got that damned Yamaha DAC, or if they wised up and went back to Wolfson.
Since I'm not eager to switch off of TMO just yet, unless the Nexus does come to TMO, I'm likely to get the SGS2/Hercules.
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It is rumored to run omap 4, far better than the snapdragon in the Hercules.
I personally am waiting for the n3. It wont have the 42 down but ill never see past the 21 so I'm fine.
Hmmm, just thought about it, maybe that's why they changed this soc, to have some type of selling point to "people who don't know better" once the prime comes out?
"Oh, that was has faster internet, I want that one" said the dumbass
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Is this a first for Android?

One device all over the world. Available on pretty much every carrier in every country. The internals may be different, but same design.
This is such a huge deal. This means accessories are going to be universal, and allow manufactures to make 1 accessory model, thus increasing the economies of scale and variety.
People can also finally recognize the Galaxy name in the US, no more stupid carrier names nonsense.

ECrispy said:
One device all over the world. Available on pretty much every carrier in every country. The internals may be different, but same design.
This is such a huge deal. This means accessories are going to be universal, and allow manufactures to make 1 accessory model, thus increasing the economies of scale and variety.
People can also finally recognize the Galaxy name in the US, no more stupid carrier names nonsense.
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May be apart from the nexus devices.
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ECrispy said:
One device all over the world. Available on pretty much every carrier in every country. The internals may be different, but same design.
This is such a huge deal. This means accessories are going to be universal, and allow manufactures to make 1 accessory model, thus increasing the economies of scale and variety.
People can also finally recognize the Galaxy name in the US, no more stupid carrier names nonsense.
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I think this is what happens when you have a strong product that is gonna sell no matter what, you get to dictate things like telling the carriers not to mess with the design and all that stuff. Like apple.

I can imagine how the conversation went with VZW execs :-
VZW: So we need space for a big Droid name on the front, and a different case
Samsung: No way
VZW: And of course the button has to go
Samsung: Don't think so
VZW: And we'll be sending you a list of features we want deleted
Samsung: Are you crazy?
VZW: We were thinking Oct 21 is when we announce it, our marketing dept needs to create some new ads
Samsung: Look, STFU! You want this phone, you're gonna do exactly what we tell you, and tell you what, you can;t charge $299 for it either. Got it?

ECrispy said:
I can imagine how the conversation went with VZW execs :-
VZW: So we need space for a big Droid name on the front, and a different case
Samsung: No way
VZW: And of course the button has to go
Samsung: Don't think so
VZW: And we'll be sending you a list of features we want deleted
Samsung: Are you crazy?
VZW: We were thinking Oct 21 is when we announce it, our marketing dept needs to create some new ads
Samsung: Look, STFU! You want this phone, you're gonna do exactly what we tell you, and tell you what, you can;t charge $299 for it either. Got it?
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Lol ... I'm really wondering how Samsung managed to pull this off . I mean what's in it for carriers to release as is, I think may be they want a serious apple competitor to just keep apple at check and they believe sgs3 is the one
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ECrispy said:
One device all over the world. Available on pretty much every carrier in every country. The internals may be different, but same design.
This is such a huge deal. This means accessories are going to be universal, and allow manufactures to make 1 accessory model, thus increasing the economies of scale and variety.
People can also finally recognize the Galaxy name in the US, no more stupid carrier names nonsense.
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I was thinking just the same. This is a paradigm shift. Android has, by far, the greatest market share among smartphone OSes, but Apple still dominates in hardware. I think this phone could change all of that - especially at $199. Add to that unprecedented custom SW development and accessories.
The bigger question looming is what this means for the rest of the Android OEMs. Aside from offering a better display and aesthetics, how do you compete with something like this? Let's face it, a strong ecosystem is more valuable than any feature these days.

More than anything, this signals a shift in power away from the US carriers who are used to getting their own way. Till now, the only company they listened to was Apple.
Hopefully this will encourage HTC etc to let them deliver the phone they designed, and not the carriers. Though some, like Sprint, always managed to make the phone better

I don't live in the US, can someone explain why the carriers do this? What do they gain from releasing a custom device? A competitive edge? The most that happens where I live is the big carriers will sell a device with their logo as the boot animation and a custom app or two. At the extreme their logo is branded on the device.
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US carriers (and ISP's) are basically a monopoly permitted by our govt (via the FCC) so there is very little competition and no choice for consumers. In the rest of the world you have unlocked phones which share the same GSM network, prepaid plans and its easy to switch. Its the exact opposite here, you pick your carrier, pick the phone they offer and sign a contract.

kirdroid said:
May be apart from the nexus devices.
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Even the Samsung Nexus phones have been modified by carriers (don't know about the N1).

kirdroid said:
Lol ... I'm really wondering how Samsung managed to pull this off . I mean what's in it for carriers to release as is, I think may be they want a serious apple competitor to just keep apple at check and they believe sgs3 is the one
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Whats there to wonder? samsung said, "you take it as it is, or leave it." Thats all there is to it. That's all samsung had to say.

ECrispy said:
One device all over the world. Available on pretty much every carrier in every country. The internals may be different, but same design.
This is such a huge deal. This means accessories are going to be universal, and allow manufactures to make 1 accessory model, thus increasing the economies of scale and variety.
People can also finally recognize the Galaxy name in the US, no more stupid carrier names nonsense.
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Sounds like you read the article about this exact topic on Android Police and pretty much just highlighted the key points they made. But yeah, big move here. All involved stand to gain nicely from the collaboration so it's a win/win/win/win/win/win/win/win.....you get the point

ECrispy said:
US carriers (and ISP's) are basically a monopoly permitted by our govt (via the FCC) so there is very little competition and no choice for consumers. In the rest of the world you have unlocked phones which share the same GSM network, prepaid plans and its easy to switch. Its the exact opposite here, you pick your carrier, pick the phone they offer and sign a contract.
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Funny, here we have the exact same situation but with our fixed line telephones. Only one partially state owned company who abuses their monopoly so badly the effect is measurable in our inflation rate.
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What's with the American S3 dislikes? It's technically better...

It seems that a lot of people have bought the international version of the S3 and can't seem to accept that their phone is inferior. I've read a lot of stuff and so far it seems that the American S3 is better overall.
- You have LTE support. It's very fast and the latest technology, so why not stream those HD YouTube and Netflix videos easily? Besides you can always revert back to HSPA+.
- You have 2GB RAM as opposed to 1GB. That's pretty self explanatory, you are getting double the RAM and probably will not have to worry about any memory issues for years to come.
- S3 custom androids and dev can always be ported, and also since most Americans will be using the American version, you can be assured that there will be tons of great android development from North Americans.
- The Snapdragon processor is faster for single threaded applications and is a power house on its own. Let's not forget overclocking. I will not say say "quad core is overkill" because in a few years dual cores will be obsolete. Technology moves fast.
- Locked bootloaders will be cracked and bloatware can be removed.
- You can always unlock your phone to use it on another carrier.
- Warranty will be easy as you can take it to the store and whatnot.
The only cons I can think of:
- Wolfson sound chip may not be on the American S3, which will be a disappointment but as long as the sound is good I don't see a big issue here.
- International is a bit cheaper in price.
- International is better for, international people. Unless you're going around the world in many countries you are fine with the American S3.

Mines better than yours? Because I have mine...

Frostie123 said:
It seems that a lot of people have bought the international version of the S3 and can't seem to accept that their phone is inferior. I've read a lot of stuff and so far it seems that the American S3 is better overall.
- You have LTE support. It's very fast and the latest technology, so why not stream those HD YouTube and Netflix videos easily? Besides you can always revert back to HSPA+.
- You have 2GB RAM as opposed to 1GB. That's pretty self explanatory, you are getting double the RAM and probably will not have to worry about any memory issues for years to come.
- S3 custom androids and dev can always be ported, and also since most Americans will be using the American version, you can be assured that there will be tons of great android development from North Americans.
- The Snapdragon processor is faster for single threaded applications and is a power house on its own. Let's not forget overclocking. I will not say say "quad core is overkill" because in a few years dual cores will be obsolete. Technology moves fast.
- Locked bootloaders will be cracked and bloatware can be removed.
- You can always unlock your phone to use it on another carrier.
- Warranty will be easy as you can take it to the store and whatnot.
The only cons I can think of:
- Wolfson sound chip may not be on the American S3, which will be a disappointment but as long as the sound is good I don't see a big issue here.
- International is a bit cheaper in price.
- International is better for, international people. Unless you're going around the world in many countries you are fine with the American S3.
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There's no dislikes whatsoever. The problem is this topic, people boasting about which one is better and why. That causes the hate. You are part of this problem by attaching "it's technically better" without any real facts or proof.

SlimJ87D said:
There's no dislikes whatsoever. The problem is this topic, people boasting about which one is better and why. That causes the hate. You are part of this problem by attaching "it's technically better" without any real facts or proof.
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Agree what's with people yours is better than mine... It's like a bunch of kids.
Buy the one you like and be done with.
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Wow us model gets 2 gigs of ram? Hmm why didn't they give the international version 2 gigs?
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I want the International version simply for the fact that I have no need for LTE and I can pay $10 a month for Unlimited and unthrottled data.
Specs wise they are pretty evenly matched.

so far the biggest Pro that you mentioned is LTE to me.....all the others i think the International trumps its stateside counterparts.
LTE is great, but you can stream movies just fine on HSPA+ and not have freezing and stuttering. rest is just to keep with the international version.
dont glorify something that does not need it.....they BOTH are great devices.

Frostie123 said:
- S3 custom androids and dev can always be ported, and also since most Americans will be using the American version, you can be assured that there will be tons of great android development from North Americans.
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And yet all the previous American phones lagged in development.
Also, a great big gaping con:
-Most carriers will bundle their S3 with their extraordinate monthly fees. When you say the international is "a bit cheaper", you really should mean $500-$1000 cheaper.
(Than getting an international with prepaid, for instance. Or hell, if you can get that $10/month plan, the opportunity costs of getting the carrier version just skyrocket, no pun intended.)
2 gigs of ram does sound interesting if it allows for better multitasking. I hope there are more positive effects than just freezing fewer programs.

No lie, there is about a dozen threads where you can grind this axe, avail yourself of them.

IMO the international version is better for 2 reasons: The Exynos quad core and the Mali GPU is better ( not much but still slightly better ) than the S4/Adreno 225 and it will have MUCH MUCH better development ( as every international version )! The latter is very important for me. I find 1 gig of RAM more than enough but 2 gigs would be nice for showing off to my friends!

Both are great phones, I just feel that this time the Americans didn't get shafted. Also this phone is going to be big so to say there will be dev lag is absurd. And for those who pay a lot per month, try getting a deal on retention.. I'm paying very little and getting tons of data.
And of course I am referring to Canadians and Americans.

Frostie123 said:
And for those who pay a lot per month, try getting a deal on retention.. I'm paying very little and getting tons of data.
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How much and which carrier?

I just ordered the international yesterday after knowing the ATT specs. For me I'd rather have 4 cores and the best hackability.
2 gb of ram is nice, but I don't run out with the GN so I'm not concerned.
LTE isn't available where I live. When I travel it would be nice, but I also need my battery to get through a day.
Like it or not a lot of your items are saying things will be ported or will be unlocked. Things don't always get unlocked and at the very least you are behind the international on things getting done.

The american will have same battry capacity 2100mah bt it will last more then international bcoz of krait core power efficient cpu!

Frostie123 said:
- International is a bit cheaper in price.
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thebobp said:
And yet all the previous American phones lagged in development.
Also, a great big gaping con:
-Most carriers will bundle their S3 with their extraordinate monthly fees. When you say the international is "a bit cheaper", you really should mean $500-$1000 cheaper.
(Than getting an international with prepaid, for instance. Or hell, if you can get that $10/month plan, the opportunity costs of getting the carrier version just skyrocket, no pun intended.)
2 gigs of ram does sound interesting if it allows for better multitasking. I hope there are more positive effects than just freezing fewer programs.
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How is the international cheaper? From what I see, it's around $694 for the international(Cheapest I have seen so far) the ATT version full price is $550, the verizon one will be $599 so if you buy the phone outright it's still cheaper than the international version. I'm going to be paying the same monthly fees regardless of which one I get as I wont be changing plans or carriers.
I'm on the fence on which to get. I think I will wait until it's in an ATT store and I play with one before I decide. I'll also see if the samsung showroom here in NYC has an international version for me to play with. or wait until someone does a side by side video of the two. I wont be able to buy it until mid July anyway so that will give me more time to get a comparison of the two

Wolfson sound chip may not be on the American S3, which will be a disappointment but as long as the sound is good I don't see a big issue here.
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Actually, you need to check the RMAA test for the HTC One S. I heard it has great sound quality.
You can always unlock your phone to use it on another carrier.
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If the T-Mobile S3 support ATT band as well, which the spec sheet seems to say so, then it'll be very useful, similar to how the Vibrant was, but this time with 850MHz also. This is the only thing that compels me on the S3 right now in addition to minor hardware update.
Locked bootloaders will be cracked and bloatware can be removed.
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It's still nowhere convenient as a Nexus were you get OTA and not having to wait for the custom roms to bring it back to stock experience. With that said, I don't think the T-Mobile version will be bootloader locked and rooting Samsung phones has always been easy for me.
I'll wait a couple months to see the price go down and any news on the next Nexus. But for people still on single core phones, this will be a big leap.
I do think that people dismissing the American version since its dualcore is a mistake. I prefer to the American version due to newer and more efficient CPU and the more ram. But that's a hard call when weighing it against international unlocked and bloat free and definitely with more developers working on. I don't even care about the quadcore aspect of this phone, you are bound to make a wrong purchase decision if you just look at one selling point.

AmesCell said:
I just ordered the international yesterday after knowing the ATT specs. For me I'd rather have 4 cores and the best hackability.
2 gb of ram is nice, but I don't run out with the GN so I'm not concerned.
LTE isn't available where I live. When I travel it would be nice, but I also need my battery to get through a day.
Like it or not a lot of your items are saying things will be ported or will be unlocked. Things don't always get unlocked and at the very least you are behind the international on things getting done.
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I doubt it will be locked. The Captivate and the GS2 on ATT were not locked and very easily hackable. The ATT version of the GS2 was so close to the international hw wise that we can port pretty much anything from the International gs2 pretty easily. What will making porting more difficult this time around is the different CPU's but it will be possible, just not as easy as it was to port stuff from the intl GS2.
edit: when you said unlocked I was assuming you meant bootloader unlocked, if you meant SIM unlocked that should also not be too hard to do.

Frostie123 said:
It seems that a lot of people have bought the international version of the S3 and can't seem to accept that their phone is inferior.
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Oh dear. Sigh.

Frostie123 said:
It seems that a lot of people have bought the international version of the S3 and can't seem to accept that their phone is inferior. I've read a lot of stuff and so far it seems that the American S3 is better overall.
- You have LTE support. It's very fast and the latest technology, so why not stream those HD YouTube and Netflix videos easily? Besides you can always revert back to HSPA+.
- You have 2GB RAM as opposed to 1GB. That's pretty self explanatory, you are getting double the RAM and probably will not have to worry about any memory issues for years to come.
- S3 custom androids and dev can always be ported, and also since most Americans will be using the American version, you can be assured that there will be tons of great android development from North Americans.
- The Snapdragon processor is faster for single threaded applications and is a power house on its own. Let's not forget overclocking. I will not say say "quad core is overkill" because in a few years dual cores will be obsolete. Technology moves fast.
- Locked bootloaders will be cracked and bloatware can be removed.
- You can always unlock your phone to use it on another carrier.
- Warranty will be easy as you can take it to the store and whatnot.
The only cons I can think of:
- Wolfson sound chip may not be on the American S3, which will be a disappointment but as long as the sound is good I don't see a big issue here.
- International is a bit cheaper in price.
- International is better for, international people. Unless you're going around the world in many countries you are fine with the American S3.
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LTE is not yet mature and will continue to be a battery hog for at least a year. Everyone who says LTE is awesome seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that even HSPA+ makes it VERY easy to hit your data cap.
2GB RAM so far has little benefit - current devices are doing just fine with 1GB
International S3 development work will be 90% nonportable to the North American mangled carrier variants. If you don't believe me - look at the T989 and I727 forums and compare them to the I9100 forum. Compare the I717 forum to the GT-N7000 forum in terms of development.
This becomes especially obvious when you look at AOSP bringups. Because the international S3 is highly similar to the international S2, the CM9 bringup for that device is progressing rapidly. Meanwhile, the T989/I727/I717 CM9 bringups are still in "alpha" quality stages due to the lack of documentation on Qualcomm SoCs and the lack of commonality with international variants.
This is one of the big keys - North American carriers are highly notorious for long delays with updates. This means that you will not see updates or kernel source for your specific variant for a long time after international variants receive updates. Now, if your carrier variant is highly similar to the international device (SGH-I777 vs. GT-I9100), the international device's kernel source release may be all your need. If your carrier variant has a completely different SoC - you're SOL.

leftheodo said:
IMO the international version is better for 2 reasons: The Exynos quad core and the Mali GPU is better ( not much but still slightly better ) than the S4/Adreno 225 and it will have MUCH MUCH better development ( as every international version )! The latter is very important for me. I find 1 gig of RAM more than enough but 2 gigs would be nice for showing off to my friends!
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Tmali 400 gpu is verclocked and software optimized than s2 one and its way better than adreno 225. If u wanna game a lot u would wanna pick international version.I have seen guy playing nova 3 he said console quality graphics.it runs so smooth.
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