http://omgdroid.com/2011/09/12/t-mobile-leaves-customers-feeling-left-sgsii-variant/
So what do u think about the Hercules not getting the Exynos chip and the other three U.S SGS2 phones from other carriers will have it. I really dont know what to say???
**UPDATE** We will be getting Qualcomm 1.5Ghz dual-core APQ8060 processor will power the 4.52″ Super AMOLED Plus device. NICE
movieaddict said:
http://omgdroid.com/2011/09/12/t-mobile-leaves-customers-feeling-left-sgsii-variant/
So what do u think about the Hercules not getting the Exynos chip and the other three U.S SGS2 phones from other carriers will have it. I really dont know what to say???
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I think two words.....nexus prime
IMHO: im dropping my even more plus plan and walking into sprint and purchasing my epic 4g touch for 75 bucks as a new customer sign on bonus and never being throttled again [smiley face].
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deal breaker.
Yep. Lame. Ion.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
Its like getting a core duo instead of I7 which sucks
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If you get tegra2 and hdmi mirroring youll be.good to go.still. imo at least. Tegra2 isnt a pansy. It does suck though.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
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I think two words.....nexus prime
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That's IT. Nexus Prime I'm coming
If Nexus Prime comes to TMO, isn't it likely to also not have Exynos for the same 42 Mbps reason?
What I'm thinking is while it's unfortunate, it's not the end of the world. I'm more curious to see if it's got that damned Yamaha DAC, or if they wised up and went back to Wolfson.
Since I'm not eager to switch off of TMO just yet, unless the Nexus does come to TMO, I'm likely to get the SGS2/Hercules.
I really have been looking forward to the SGSII exynos proc....I probably wont be getting hercules for a multitude of reasons (mainly money) I would still get it if i could just to work on a kernel for it, but I would really prefer exynos vs anything else. Mainly because the Mali-400MP has significantly higher texture performance (lower geometry, but texture matters more for current loads)
Deal breaker. Well I was waiting for an ICS device anyway..which would be media prime
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I think two words.....nexus prime
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+1 10 char
I think I really meant #neveragain. Fool me once (behold 2) shame on me, fool me twice (vibrant) shame on you. There will be no third for me.
Thank you edt for making up for tmo's/samsux's malicious shortcomings
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IMHO: im dropping my even more plus plan and walking into sprint and purchasing my epic 4g touch for 75 bucks as a new customer sign on bonus and never being throttled again [smiley face].
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Sprint coverage and 3G speeds too terrible/slow for me, and they're virtually guaranteed not to improve that at any decent rate.
As terrible as AT&T is, I may have to leave T-Mobile for them and get an iPhone or something that allows me to get a 4GB data plan because I really need 3G coverage, and they put up a new tower right near here earlier this year.
But that's fine. They're getting all the good phones these days it seems, anyways...
for people who cant just walk up and leave tmobil like me. Ill still be getting the hercules because hands down its the best phone hands down by tmobil.
2 questions about the Prime:
1. on all different android/tech sites I keep seeing people say they will wait for the Prime...not that it is a bad idea, but its supposed to be made by samsung, so if tmobile gets it, wont they just do the same thing with the CPU? What Cpu is the Prime rumored to have?
2. It seems every android site i go to people are saying to pass this up for the Prime "in a couple/few weeks" It seems people are sure its coming to Tmobile and sure its coming in just a couple weeks. I keep seeing that as if its a fact....
I will probably wait to see the prime too, im just saying it seems like people are 100% sure of its specs, that it is coming to Tmobile, and that it is only a couple of weeks out...I dont see the manufactures that are releasing the GS2 (3 major except Verizon), releasing a nexus prime/droid/samsung prime within just a couple weeks of releasing the GS2....
any thoughts? Im not hating, i just want to be clued in as to why everyone is so sure its coming to Tmobile, in a few weeks and what CPU it will have???
I would wait and see. Supposedly the next nexus is 1,5 dual core ti omap 4460 and an overclocked powergx vr 540 or whatever its called. Its hard to say what to wait for. I want to see how well the phone handles with higher resolution and if the battery life is there. The latest tech nology is always a waiting game and there is something better around the corner always. Plus, i also want to see what moto brings to the table. I plan on getting a phone by december, and it is my intention, seriously, to have this next device for two years+.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
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I would wait and see. Supposedly the next nexus is 1,5 dual core ti omap 4460 and an overclocked powergx vr 540 or whatever its called. Its hard to say what to wait for. I want to see how well the phone handles with higher resolution and if the battery life is there. The latest tech nology is always a waiting game and there is something better around the corner always. Plus, i also want to see what moto brings to the table. I plan on getting a phone by december, and it is my intention, seriously, to have this next device for two years+.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
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relating this to my question right above, assuming the nexus prime is a samsung phone, I thought most people wanted the samsung exynos processor in it; which is why many are disappointed by the Hercules not getting it...?
So i don't know anything about the ti processor you are referring to, but how is it supposed to compare to the samsung exynos processor? I guess im am just confused that we all wanted the exynos on the hercules, but are ok that it is not rumored to be in the nexus prime?
It's almost retarded, this choice of them. I don't need to download stuff at 4.5 MB/s at all times, but I need to have a fast and responsive device with a nice energy management at absolutely all times. 21 Mbps on a f'ing phone is already overkill.
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If Nexus Prime comes to TMO, isn't it likely to also not have Exynos for the same 42 Mbps reason?
What I'm thinking is while it's unfortunate, it's not the end of the world. I'm more curious to see if it's got that damned Yamaha DAC, or if they wised up and went back to Wolfson.
Since I'm not eager to switch off of TMO just yet, unless the Nexus does come to TMO, I'm likely to get the SGS2/Hercules.
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It is rumored to run omap 4, far better than the snapdragon in the Hercules.
I personally am waiting for the n3. It wont have the 42 down but ill never see past the 21 so I'm fine.
Hmmm, just thought about it, maybe that's why they changed this soc, to have some type of selling point to "people who don't know better" once the prime comes out?
"Oh, that was has faster internet, I want that one" said the dumbass
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Long time reader, occasional poster.
Well, it seems as if it is time to move on from my amazing Vibrant. I have had this for about a year now and it has been my best and favorite phone to date. The devs have been amazing, and everyone on these forums have been fantastic as well.
This isn't a good by, just curious to see if any of you are moving on, and what your thoughts are on it? I would love to see some Team Whiskey on the Hercules, some CM7 love (thats a given), and even some Einherjar Dev's on the new phone.
So what do you say? Will i be seeing more of you in the near future?
Not to the SGS2.
I'm waiting for the Google/Samsung conference event next week and that will decide that. If Verizon is gonna have the exclusivity on the Prime for more than 6 months, I will pick up an HTC Amaze 4G. If not, I will wait 1-3 months and get the one phone to rule them all- Nexus Prime.
T-mobile's SGS2 is a tad outdated in its camera department, screen resolution, and audio output. It's a nice phone but the Amaze 4G is just a hair better imo due to it's back-lit illuminated camera. Nexus prime...well that's nexus prime. Obliterates every phone is just about every department.
I'm quite happy with my Vibrant for now though. CM7 themed beautifully and incredible usability coupled with 1.5Ghz CPU, 1800mah Samsung genuine battery, 32GB microSD +16 internal for 48GB total, audiophile-grade audio out, and impressive screen and form factor? Sorry but this phone is just now at its full potential and I see no reason to upgrade. 3400 Quadrants and no lag anywhere.
iPhone 4S or Nexus Prime, depending on Coverage and Price. I'm leaning towards the iPhone because the Battery Life is great, iCloud is good, and they have a better ecosystem than Google.
However, the rumored hardware in the Nexus Prime is enticing. If it's on T-Mobile, though... I'm gonna have to pass. Dunno why Google keeps launching Nexus phones on T-Mobile. They have the worst coverage of hte 4 carriers, by far.
I'm moving in a few weeks, so I'll have to wait and see how it all pans out...
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I'm moving in a few weeks...
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cannot wait...
NOPE, Hercules is going to be Vibrant part 2. Another phone with zero updates/support, especially since it is different from all the other SGS2 phones.
Nice phone, but nope. I rather get Amaze over Hercules.
Waiting for prime though.
I will be getting the hercules because it is Samsung!
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I would get it if i had money but i dont so ill just save up for prime or next in galaxy s series
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iPhone 4S or Nexus Prime, depending on Coverage and Price. I'm leaning towards the iPhone because the Battery Life is great, iCloud is good, and they have a better ecosystem than Google.
However, the rumored hardware in the Nexus Prime is enticing. If it's on T-Mobile, though... I'm gonna have to pass. Dunno why Google keeps launching Nexus phones on T-Mobile. They have the worst coverage of hte 4 carriers, by far.
I'm moving in a few weeks, so I'll have to wait and see how it all pans out...
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Coverage depends where you at. Also T-Mobile is developer friendly. Cyanogen and his team have gotten free phones and tablets to develop on for t-mobile. I don't know what your talking about but Google cloud system is far superior than icloud. Battery life will always be great on a device that can only take low speed 3g. Hspa+,LTE,Wiimax all use higher bandwidth than. Which cause more battery drain. To be specific T-Mobile coverage on the east side is better than at&t and Sprint coverage. On the west aide at&t is has better coverage. Also Verizon has the best coverage all around but be ready to pay an arm and a leg.
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The quadrant for hercules 3341 sweet huh
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The quadrant for hercules 3341 sweet huh
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If this is using quadrant this makes me think that Samsung change Qualcomm cores from asynchronous because one this picture and the one from Tmonews.com score higher than the other variant from TELUS. I'm getting it day one.
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If this is using quadrant this makes me think that Samsung change Qualcomm cores from asynchronous because one this picture and the one from Tmonews.com score higher than the other variant from TELUS. I'm getting it day one.
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+1 I want to c it tested with CF bench
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Yea. Just do what I did and say goodbye to tmo and hello to sprint. wimax is fast enough for me and throttling isnt an issue anymore. Plus I always have a boner now. Check my sig to see why.
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ipetloudog said:
Yea. Just do what I did and say goodbye to tmo and hello to sprint. wimax is fast enough for me and throttling isnt an issue anymore. Plus I always have a boner now. Check my sig to see why.
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Sprint has bad service and doesn't really penetrate walls Hspa+ speeds get the same as wimax speeds. Not to mention T-Mobile has lower ping speeds as well. Let's not mention that if your phone breaks you need to buy a new phone instead of just switching sim cards. This phone is also fully aws compatible. As for throttling I never reached the cap to be throttle and all my apps sync every 5 minutes. Unless your tether all day and streaming YouTube or some video app you never reach it.
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The future looks very bright for Samsung. They have Cyanogen on board now which means more source code releases from Sammy and early CM8 release for Galaxy S2. Sammy has better hardware, better screen than HTC and thinner form factor. Im getting the S2 on Oct 12th.
I love the Nexus Prime too but apparently its a Verizon only release (which is why they dont have a Galaxy S2 model) and I dont want to wait 6 months for a GSM version to be released. Also there is word that Ice Cream Sandwich release is being pushed back.
I think I'm gonna wait for the prime. The Hercules seems great with a beefed up cpu but i can see driver problems in the future.
I wanted to get the Samsung Note but that seems that it will only come to at&t.
I don't see myself leave Tmobile anytime soon due to I use over 5g of data a month, I live in the east cost so all networks are about the same, also free tehrering and sum card switching.
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I'm going to be moving on to the next Nexus device, especially if it ends up on Verizon. I have been loyal to T-Mo for a loooong time, but as much as I travel, I need a network that is faster in more places (I spend a lot of time wishing I even had EDGE). I already have a VZW MiFi, and I depend on it. Running CM7 with no WiFi Calling can often leave me in the dust on cell reception.
I've always been a fan of Samsung hardware, but I'm not a fan of Touchwiz and the speed of updates. Not just from Samsung, but any manufacturer that is applying their own framework to the mix. I really, really enjoy tinkering with things, and if there's one thing I've learned from my Vibrant (which is my first Android phone) it's that not having a pure Google phone really hinders the process.
That said, if Verizon gets an ACTUAL Nexus device (pure Google) with LTE, then I'll move on over. If not, I'll cross my fingers and hope T-Mobile gets it like they always do and I'll just stay put. Swapping to AT&T or Sprint isn't in the equation, even if they somehow were the only one's with the "Prime". I won't swap if LTE isn't in the equation since here, locally, T-Mobile beats the pants off of EVDO in the speed department.
I honestly believe that people put to much hype into phone specs. No one can tell the difference between processors or much of anything else under the hood. It's fun to talk about and I enjoy geeking out about it all, but hardware changes every 6 months anyway. If you're buying a device based purely on hardware specs, you'll always be disappointed when the next thing comes out 3 months later.
i'll probably kill any one at the store to get one on the release date
okay... kill is a bit overboard, but a would not mind pushing people aside, or jump on them to get it muahahahahaha
kewlkid123 said:
Long time reader, occasional poster.
Well, it seems as if it is time to move on from my amazing Vibrant. I have had this for about a year now and it has been my best and favorite phone to date. The devs have been amazing, and everyone on these forums have been fantastic as well.
This isn't a good by, just curious to see if any of you are moving on, and what your thoughts are on it? I would love to see some Team Whiskey on the Hercules, some CM7 love (thats a given), and even some Einherjar Dev's on the new phone.
So what do you say? Will i be seeing more of you in the near future?
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quest4fire said:
I love the Nexus Prime too but apparently its a Verizon only release (which is why they dont have a Galaxy S2 model) and I dont want to wait 6 months for a GSM version to be released. Also there is word that Ice Cream Sandwich release is being pushed back.
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yes, it has been confirmed already the delay for the ICS and Nexus Prime launch, it's all over the news
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I think I'm gonna wait for the prime. The Hercules seems great with a beefed up cpu but i can see driver problems in the future.
I wanted to get the Samsung Note but that seems that it will only come to at&t.
I don't see myself leave Tmobile anytime soon due to I use over 5g of data a month, I live in the east cost so all networks are about the same, also free tehrering and sum card switching.
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same here, i wanted also the Prime and Note
unfortunately Prime will not be available on GSM anytime soon it seems
and the Note is only on the normal GSM frequency that is not AWS compatible
so that's why the SGS2 Hercules is the best toy until Nexus 3 Prime becomes available on AWS bands
No, I wont get any US version GSII
Id love to get one to work on...but im broke so probably not =/
I'm getting it, I'm pretty tired of my vibrant, this is the longest I've had my phone lol, so definitely wanting something new.
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I ordered an unlocked note and will arrive tomorrow. I'm so excited to have it. But then I saw that AT&T will release LTE version on February 18. Should I return it and wait? This is killing me. Unlocked version has so many development minus the LTE.
You should read the other 1000 threads.
GALAXY NOTE
Well, the LTE version will have NFC and of course.. LTE, but it's a Qualcomm device. The international version doesn't have LTE or NFC, but it has Exynos and the GPU is a Mali-400, which is fast.
But it's your choice..!
Screw it, I'm sticking with international model.
I had the same decision to make. Concider this:
Unless ATT has really good coverage for LTE in your area, the LTE advantage is moot. I have LTE where I live in Baltimore, but it very very spotty and does not reach to my home or work. H+ is very satisfying.
LTE will make the Note's battery seam like just another Android Battery(It will SUCK).
The CPU is slower over all in the ATT version.
You don't get the physical button, which is very very nice since the power button on the side is a pain to find quickly/with no hassle for waking the device up.
Where did it say NFC would be included? I don't remember that being said.
I had the same dilemma, but the concern over a lack of warranty on an international phone scared me off, even though I'd like one.
My guess is you will get less battery life due to LTE and lower performance.
The Galaxy S 2 with Exynos 1.2ghz is said to be faster than the Note because of lower resolution. The Note can handle 720p mkv videos at high bitrates.
The Galaxy S 2 T-Mobile with Qualcomm S3 can't handle even play quality MKV even overclocked to 1.8ghz. Now the same package is put into a 720p screen where it will struggle even more. Especially the fact that the Mali 400MP gpu is very fast and just managed Mordern Combat 3 smoothly at 720p, the Adreno 220 might not play 3d games as smoothly benchmark. I have a feeling there will be more complains about the Note performance in America.
Also I did benchmarks on with S3 at 1.8ghz vs Exynos and the latter destroyed the former.
The T mobile GSII which has the same processor as the ATT version was found to be laggy compared to the 1.2GHz Exynos on the international GSII, along with a bunch more screen issues etc. It also had inferior battery life.
I think the qualcomm 1.5GHz, unless it's a newer model of processor than the T mobile GSII, will be horrible on the SGH i717. The exynos is clocked .2Ghz higher on the Gnote and is already laggy at times. Imagine the same processor at the same clockspeed, no dedicated GPU on a much bigger screen pushing way more pixels. Ouch
I have the international gnote on a certain MVNO and I love it. 60 dollars a month cheaper than the ATT plan, and I get between 1-4Mbps download, I've seen people getting 7, I guess it depends on area. All things included, the international version came out a few hundred cheaper than the ATT version with the same plan.
Also, notice that the ATT GSII hasn't even gotten a port of CM9 yet, so that's the difference in the level of support one might get.
Then again, to be fair, supposedly the company I bought the note from (clove.co.uk) would send my gnote out for service if it needed it.
How that would work out, or how long it would take, we can only guess.
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I had the same decision to make. Concider this:
Unless ATT has really good coverage for LTE in your area, the LTE advantage is moot. I have LTE where I live in Baltimore, but it very very spotty and does not reach to my home or work. H+ is very satisfying.
LTE will make the Note's battery seam like just another Android Battery(It will SUCK).
The CPU is slower over all in the ATT version.
You don't get the physical button, which is very very nice since the power button on the side is a pain to find quickly/with no hassle for waking the device up.
Where did it say NFC would be included? I don't remember that being said.
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reinbeau, your moderator, does not like to read negative things about the At&t Note LTE, because she wants to buy one.
You are not supposed to write anything negative about the At&t Note LTE here!
The At&t Note LTE is not slow, 10 frames per second are super fast and should be enough for you!
Listen to reinbeau, your moderator!
I'm soooo tempted... I'm also worried about AT&T screwing us over with something. There are some less expensive options then where you ordered, but I'm still so paranoid about lack of warranty. I wonder how much an out-of-contract US Note will be if the rumor is 299 with contract... Probably 500-600?
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The T mobile GSII which has the same processor as the ATT version was found to be laggy compared to the 1.2GHz Exynos on the international GSII, along with a bunch more screen issues etc. It also had inferior battery life.
I think the qualcomm 1.5GHz, unless it's a newer model of processor than the T mobile GSII, will be horrible on the SGH i717. The exynos is clocked .2Ghz higher on the Gnote and is already laggy at times. Imagine the same processor at the same clockspeed, no dedicated GPU on a much bigger screen pushing way more pixels. Ouch
I have the international gnote on a certain MVNO and I love it. 60 dollars a month cheaper than the ATT plan, and I get between 1-4Mbps download, I've seen people getting 7, I guess it depends on area. All things included, the international version came out a few hundred cheaper than the ATT version with the same plan.
Also, notice that the ATT GSII hasn't even gotten a port of CM9 yet, so that's the difference in the level of support one might get.
Then again, to be fair, supposedly the company I bought the note from (clove.co.uk) would send my gnote out for service if it needed it.
How that would work out, or how long it would take, we can only guess.
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Thank you for the insight. I'm not sure how LTE is in Washington dc and I didn't know LTE version will have NFC. Can anyone confirm the source?
Spartan2x said:
I had the same decision to make. Concider this:
Unless ATT has really good coverage for LTE in your area, the LTE advantage is moot. I have LTE where I live in Baltimore, but it very very spotty and does not reach to my home or work. H+ is very satisfying.
LTE will make the Note's battery seam like just another Android Battery(It will SUCK).
The CPU is slower over all in the ATT version.
You don't get the physical button, which is very very nice since the power button on the side is a pain to find quickly/with no hassle for waking the device up.
Where did it say NFC would be included? I don't remember that being said.
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Same question here.
Featherbeard said:
I'm soooo tempted... I'm also worried about AT&T screwing us over with something. There are some less expensive options then where you ordered, but I'm still so paranoid about lack of warranty. I wonder how much an out-of-contract US Note will be if the rumor is 299 with contract... Probably 500-600?
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I ordered mine from Expansys. They said it has 24 months warranty. Hope it easy to get it fix if something went wrong.
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I had the same dilemma, but the concern over a lack of warranty on an international phone scared me off, even though I'd like one.
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Did they give you specifics though? I've read a lot of stories where Samsung has told people they flat out refuse to provide warranty support to international phones in the US?
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I ordered mine from Expansys. They said it has 24 months warranty. Hope it easy to get it fix if something went wrong.
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vjoom said:
I ordered mine from Expansys. They said it has 24 months warranty. Hope it easy to get it fix if something went wrong.
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Expansys is a big international company.
They are expensive.
Send it to Expansys and they will send it out for repair. I imagine it will take a while to get it back from repair.
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Did they give you specifics though? I've read a lot of stories where Samsung has told people they flat out refuse to provide warranty support to international phones in the US?
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Expansys was cheaper then Amazon when i bought it. found $20 off coupon on this forum.
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Expansys is a big international company.
They are expensive.
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Oh, interesting! Do they have offices in the US? And is the warranty included in the price of the device, or is it extra? Also, anyone still have that $20 off coupon floating around?
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Send it to Expansys and they will send it out for repair. I imagine it will take a while to get it back from repair.
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They send it out to Europe for warranty repair. The warranty is included with the price of the phone. Nothing extra. The offer code is 20Offls.
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Oh, interesting! Do they have offices in the US? And is the warranty included in the price of the device, or is it extra? Also, anyone still have that $20 off coupon floating around?
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Thanks very much vjoom!
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They send it out to Europe for warranty repair. The warranty is included with the price of the phone. Nothing extra. The offer code is 20Offls.
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http://www.bell.ca/Mobility/Product...msung_Galaxy_Note_Branded_Kw=bell_galaxy_note
This is NOT the N7000, correct?
ALL LTE Notes are Snapdragon based. There is no way around.
Is the snap dragon really that lame? I mean unless in gaming i doubt anyone can tell the difference...
I guess the next question is, with the i717 coming to North America, what will the development be like for that device?
Do carriers do this on purpose - do they not realize that a smartphone is a computer with special io? That with something as complex as a computer - we want standards - so we can upgrade, fix, build-upon, write instructions for, build a community around, and understand our systems. We needed one note, not 15 variants - that works for toasters but not for mobile computer systems. I am in Canada but bought a international Note for this reason.
At some point you would hope this hold on tech by the carriers goes down. I ask my students, would they buy a BMW at a much reduced rate ( rather than just taking out a loan and owning it) if they signed a contract where they were forced to buy brand expensive gas for it from one station, could on drive it on certain highways - all with tolls, that others with that car and those highways all had different deals where some were being charged differently, others could on be on the highway at night, where the company was allow to change the engine, take out components, rebrand the color and name and logo, put on cheaper tires and put in devices to spy on you. Of course not.
Always wondered why the carriers are so controlling in NA. Look how many variants of the S and S2 there were?
How come this does not apply to Apple? is it because the carriers believe it to be so drool worthy to not bother with an iPhone 4S Fascinate or whatever, or Apple simply says you want that stuff you.
In EU, there is one Note, 1 S, 1 S2, works across the whole place, base code is the same aside from languages, etc.
Is it the carriers, is it a cultural thing, or something else?
Cheer,
This is exactly what Steve Jobs meant by fragmentation. Why do we need so many variants? Why do we have so many versions of Android firmware? So many versions that no one can even tell how one is different than another.
What a **** thing to do to such a sweet device.....Crapdragon should be done away with period.....this is old tech that even their newest version does stray from its roots. But with the longevity of a phones life at this point I don't think anyone gives a crap anymore. Samsung sure has a way of beating down great devices though.
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Is the snap dragon really that lame? I mean unless in gaming i doubt anyone can tell the difference...
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Not really, but when you want the most powerful phone on the market and you get the slower version instead, i understand why people are "pissed". You want THE Note and not the retarded cousin.
obakesan said:
Always wondered why the carriers are so controlling in NA. Look how many variants of the S and S2 there were?
How come this does not apply to Apple? is it because the carriers believe it to be so drool worthy to not bother with an iPhone 4S Fascinate or whatever, or Apple simply says you want that stuff you.
In EU, there is one Note, 1 S, 1 S2, works across the whole place, base code is the same aside from languages, etc.
Is it the carriers, is it a cultural thing, or something else?
Cheer,
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People in the USA want CHEAP, so the carriers figured out a way to lock
them in (cut down the churn rate), and offer them a "good deal". People
see the price of a phone as 500 bucks....BBBBUUUUUUTTTTTT, if you sign
a 2 year contract, we'll let you have it for 49.99. Idiot consumers, who have
no idea of economics, think they are screwing the carriers by getting a phone
for 50 bucks not thinking that if it was a bad deal for the carriers, why would
they do it....similar to people thinking they can go go Vegas & clean up, not
thinking how those multimillion dollar hotels get built & how they can offer the
food, drinks, rooms for free or reduced rates.
p51d007 said:
People in the USA want CHEAP, so the carriers figured out a way to lock
them in (cut down the churn rate), and offer them a "good deal". People
see the price of a phone as 500 bucks....BBBBUUUUUUTTTTTT, if you sign
a 2 year contract, we'll let you have it for 49.99. Idiot consumers, who have
no idea of economics, think they are screwing the carriers by getting a phone
for 50 bucks not thinking that if it was a bad deal for the carriers, why would
they do it....similar to people thinking they can go go Vegas & clean up, not
thinking how those multimillion dollar hotels get built & how they can offer the
food, drinks, rooms for free or reduced rates.
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I'm not sure this has anything to do with a subsidized pricing....and more to do with the fact that LTE and Snapdragon are work together with no problems.....I have read that the Exynos does fine with LTE but at this point all the high end LTE phones are getting it. Maybe there is a reason that the processor/network pairing is becoming redundant.
As far as subsidized phones the AT&T SGS2 is essentially the same device as the international....and 200 subsidized.....549 to buy it outright is not exactly a drop in the bucket for some and higher end devices on Verizon are now 300 subsidized. Also the other networks that got lower end versions did so to accommodate their network. Not saying your theory is wrong.....but I'm not convinced its about the cost as much as I am about the fact that each carrier in the US wants their own version of everything....and to the general public there isn't even a difference as long as the names the same. Look at the first round of Galaxy phones.
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ACTUALLY the adrenno 220 which is in the s3 chipset is just slightly better than the Mali 400 which is In the exynos chipset.
Technically gaming should and probably will be better. Daily operation will also most likely be the same. Only thing I could see being a potential problem is 1080p playback.
You guys have to remember Samsung does the best optimazation with any soc.
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HarmonyFlame said:
ACTUALLY the adrenno 220 which is in the s3 chipset is just slightly better than the Mali 400 which is In the exynos chipset.
Technically gaming should and probably will be better. Daily operation will also most likely be the same. Only thing I could see being a potential problem is 1080p playback.
You guys have to remember Samsung does the best optimazation with any soc.
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This has been discussed to great length and I don't believe anyone agreed that the Adrenno was actually "better"....in fact I think spec wise they each do different things well.....but I don't even want to entertain another debate. I am not a fan of anything Qualcomm....weaknesses always seem to show themselves shortly after owning them.....the Exynos seems to get better with age.
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Heres my bottom line: exynos is great, s3 is good. So fwiw I don't think calling any variation of the Gnote crap is fair.
It seems to me also my dhd runs great on its s2 chip to this day. Just saying.
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This has been discussed to great length and I don't believe anyone agreed that the Adrenno was actually "better"....in fact I think spec wise they each do different things well.....but I don't even want to entertain another debate. I am not a fan of anything Qualcomm....weaknesses always seem to show themselves shortly after owning them.....the Exynos seems to get better with age.
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Any link to that debate? I would like to read about it..
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reason for north america's note being different is the exynos cpu doesnt do LTE *next gen is said to support LTE though*
therefor they had to change it up because carriers here are boner hungry over LTE lately.
ill keep my n7000.
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Any link to that debate? I would like to read about it..
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Here ya go....its a typical case of benchmark vs. real world.....Adrenno wins then Mali more powerful....then read Anandtechs review that says the Mali is the most powerful beast ever.....and then they list a bunch of weaknesses....??????.....but keep reading because then they start saying its untouchable again....then if your still thirsty just start clicking every link you come across....nothing is one sided....other than benchmarks that are said not to matter for both phones...?????....I will find more links and update....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1085149
http://androidandme.com/2011/09/devices/galaxy-s-ii-mali-400-gpu-boasts-fastest-graphics-on-the-market/
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/18/atandt-confirms-htc-one-x-to-land-may-6th/#continued
Not close - won't fit in a normal pocket, 56% larger based on overall measurements, weighs 36% more, non-replaceable battery. Fail as Aria replacement. May be a great phone, but much too large.
Wouldn't the HTC One V be a more suitable replacement?
With the X, you might as well be carrying around a tablet in your pocket.
I wasn't talking about it being a similar phone, ha. Just a phone that I like enough to replace the aria. Probably should have clarified
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On one hand, I think I'm eligible for an upgrade in late May, but as nice as the One X looks I can't justify buying it, given how crippled it is compared to the international version. Half the internal memory (even if all 16GB were free it wouldn't hold my music collection) and a dual-core Snapdragon instead of a quad-core Tegra 3. LTE doesn't matter too much to me, since we don't even have 3G around where I live, and the college I go to has campus-wide WiFi and city-wide WiMAX for the laptops.
The X seems way to big as a phone for me. It definitely has some powa! I've had the aria for almost a year and a half now and I'm so use to having a small phone. I have to wait till next January for next grade. ouch hopefully a quad core sized aria will be made.
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On one hand, I think I'm eligible for an upgrade in late May, but as nice as the One X looks I can't justify buying it, given how crippled it is compared to the international version. Half the internal memory (even if all 16GB were free it wouldn't hold my music collection) and a dual-core Snapdragon instead of a quad-core Tegra 3. LTE doesn't matter too much to me, since we don't even have 3G around where I live, and the college I go to has campus-wide WiFi and city-wide WiMAX for the laptops.
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I'd prefer the dual-core Snapdragon over the quad-core Tegra 3. More cores does not always mean better.
Ive used the Note for some time so I think Ill be able to adjust xD. I think its probably my next upgrade. Either this or the new SGS3.
I had the oppurtunity to play with the one x at my local att store today they let have a sneak peak at it before it goes on display tomorrow and I have to say for being 4.7 screen it was surprisingly comfortable in my hand and fit quite easily into my pocket almost less noticeable then my aria. Its unlike any HTC phone before very light and thin. The screen was stunning and it was fast and smooth. I'm pretty much sold on this phone unless the may 3rd announcement in London about the details of the new sg3 is truly note worthy I'll be picking the one x up. As far as the quad vs the dual debate goes I've following a thread where an xda member has quad and just received the rogers one x which will be the same as the att version and in just about every bench mark he has done the duel core out performed the quad. He also felt that the duel just seems better in real world use.
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FEGuy said:
On one hand, I think I'm eligible for an upgrade in late May, but as nice as the One X looks I can't justify buying it, given how crippled it is compared to the international version. Half the internal memory (even if all 16GB were free it wouldn't hold my music collection) and a dual-core Snapdragon instead of a quad-core Tegra 3. LTE doesn't matter too much to me, since we don't even have 3G around where I live, and the college I go to has campus-wide WiFi and city-wide WiMAX for the laptops.
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The s4 outperforms the tegra 3 in almost every test. Its not the number of cores but the architecture that counts.
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And for $199, It's a steal! I'd be a fool not to get it. I have been due for an upgrade since this month. I am 100% sold on this phone. I try not to think about it though because my nerves get the best of me. It's so long until the sixth!
Perfect time too because the Aria is really starting to show its age. Once I upgrade, the Aria will be a dedicated GPS.
Yea the $199 is def a great price for this beast
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Just pre-ordered this baby this morning! Will arrive at my doorstep on the fourth! The Aria forums are a wonderful community, and I can only hope that the One X forums are even half as friendly!
Saw an article today saying there was a promotion at AT&T to get it for $149. I definitely agree that the dual-core is better for "real world" use over the Tegra 3.
Unfortunately for AT&T and HTC, I am going to be switching to Verizon when the SGS3 comes out, unless it is just a complete bust, which I really don't see happening. Verizon has a far more widespread LTE network and much better customer service. I think it's funny how AT&T advertises that their LTE network is faster, but fails to mention that there are far fewer LTE users on their network than Verizon. If AT&T had the LTE traffic that Verizon does, there is no way they would have faster speeds. *steps down from soap box*
Edit: Throwing this out there...I bet the SGS3 gets root and full CM9 support in less time from its release date than the One X. Any takers?
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Saw an article today saying there was a promotion at AT&T to get it for $149. I definitely agree that the dual-core is better for "real world" use over the Tegra 3.
Unfortunately for AT&T and HTC, I am going to be switching to Verizon when the SGS3 comes out, unless it is just a complete bust, which I really don't see happening. Verizon has a far more widespread LTE network and much better customer service. I think it's funny how AT&T advertises that their LTE network is faster, but fails to mention that there are far fewer LTE users on their network than Verizon. If AT&T had the LTE traffic that Verizon does, there is no way they would have faster speeds. *steps down from soap box*
Edit: Throwing this out there...I bet the SGS3 gets root and full CM9 support in less time from its release date than the One X. Any takers?
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Oh no doubt! SGS has quite a following! And I would totally be on that boat, however I am not about to wait around for six months for the phone.
I have an sgs2 skyrocket but am eyeing that one x very hard. I miss the build quality of hTc. Samsung just doesn't feel as good in the hand.
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I have an sgs2 skyrocket but am eyeing that one x very hard. I miss the build quality of hTc. Samsung just doesn't feel as good in the hand.
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HTC Build quality is def top notch. Sammy phones have thin plastic, but that wouldn't bother me as I will always use a case...so it wouldn't feel too cheep.
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Oh no doubt! SGS has quite a following! And I would totally be on that boat, however I am not about to wait around for six months for the phone.
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You really think it will be 6 months from now until carriers offer it? I was thinking it would become available in June sometime.
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You really think it will be 6 months from now until carriers offer it? I was thinking it would become available in June sometime.
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Well, that is what happened with the SGSII
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Well, that is what happened with the SGSII
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+1 October to November release probably.
My contract will be up in a few months and I'm looking for what's next. The Vibrant has been a great phone and is still going strong but it' starting to show it's age. Also I don't think I want to lock into another 2 year contract. So here's my thoughts...
Google is now selling the Galaxy Nexus for $400
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=galaxy_nexus_hspa
And I can also get the bring your own SIM unlimited plan for $45/month.
I'm guessing I will break even in about 6 months as opposed to buying the Galaxy II on contract.
Thoughts?
Don't buy the GS2. there are a lot of phones out that are so much better. Speaking from personal experience. GS2 is already yesterdays news. Wait or move to another carrier. T-Mobile sucks with their updates! Run! RUN I TELL YOU!! RUUUUUUUUN!
Personally I will be leaving t-blowbile when my contract is up in July. Everyone else should too. Terrible updates,even worse service.
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GS3 for T-Mobile will probably be dual core. It isn't really that impressive, I suggest a GS2
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Holy crap!!! School must be close to over. You re-enable your acct?
Yes
Latest ICS is still a pain though .
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VeryCoolAlan said:
GS3 for T-Mobile will probably be dual core. It isn't really that impressive, I suggest a GS2
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Why, you don't like him or something? GSII was, and continues to be, the ****ing definition of let down. 480x800 on a 4.5" screen, when I'm a little disappointed with that resolution on a 4" screen? No thank you. If GS3, with its rumored 4.7" screen, ends up being pentile, I'm done with Samsung for at least 2 years, probably longer.
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It probably will the Galaxy Nexus has a 720p Superamoled pentile display.....samsung makes the screens 99% chance of pentile on GS3.......
I have the gs2 the updates sucks, (oh there aren't any) and the phone could be better. If the gs3 that goes to T-Mobile is garbage, as in it has a totally different processor than every other gs2 then I'm leaving T-Mobile and going some where else.
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Engadget has had some posts that indicate the SGS 3 is going to have Sammy's latest Erynox quad core. I'm wondering if it's going to be good enough to finally be the device that has me leaving my Vibrant when I'm eligible for another upgrade.
My main concerns are:
Developer backing
Storage (if not a lot on the phone, it has to have an SD)
Removable battery to get out of bootloops
Wait...you mean I was totally right and Samsung abandoned the gs2 just like I said they would and everyone that rushed to get one is all sad about it? no. way. Seriously #neveragain means #neveragain. Buy the gs3 and watch the same damn thing happen again.
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I'm much less worried about vendor support than I am dev support. Sammy forgot about the Vibrant a LONG time ago. And Sammy's not the only one that does it. In all honesty this is part of the reason that I am going to consider a Windows phone when it's time for a new one.
jnusz said:
Engadget has had some posts that indicate the SGS 3 is going to have Sammy's latest Erynox quad core. I'm wondering if it's going to be good enough to finally be the device that has me leaving my Vibrant when I'm eligible for another upgrade.
My main concerns are:
Developer backing
Storage (if not a lot on the phone, it has to have an SD)
Removable battery to get out of bootloops
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Just read on tmonews that the US variants of SG3 could come with Snapdragon S4 processor instead of Exynos. If true, it will really put a damper on the SG3 party.
i guess when samsung says "flagship", means they'll abandon ship in a year or so.
TMO just aquired 20+ spectrums (i think) from the AT&T deal so the data speeds and signal should be boosted in the next couple of months. then ultimately get LTE in 2013.
i'm sticking with Tmo cuz i need wifi calling and my old grandfathered myfave "real unlimited" plan
Well, I bought my Vibrant on release day (July 2010). I decided to go for the HTC One S and ordered 3 of it yesterday to replcace my vibrant and 2 Iphones in my family. Got a great deal from loyalty ($200 for 3 phones) and $10 per month off my plan.
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Just read on tmonews that the US variants of SG3 could come with Snapdragon S4 processor instead of Exynos. If true, it will really put a damper on the SG3 party.
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Told ya!!!!
What are your guy's thoughts on a 4.7 4.8 inch screen, but no physical buttons?
What the hell is so bad about physical buttons and having the full 4.8" of beautiful screen? I've used Ios devices, and not having a back button drives me nuts!
I don't see anything coming up with a nice big hd screen, capacitive buttons, removable Batt/SD card...
Seems like every rumored phone is missing something...That and the thin factor. Seriously, look at the iphone, it's a brick, people love it...what's the fascination with thin ass phones that feel cheap andcan't hold a battery worth a ****?
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What are your guy's thoughts on a 4.7 4.8 inch screen, but no physical buttons?
What the hell is so bad about physical buttons and having the full 4.8" of beautiful screen? I've used Ios devices, and not having a back button drives me nuts!
I don't see anything coming up with a nice big hd screen, capacitive buttons, removable Batt/SD card...
Seems like every rumored phone is missing something...That and the thin factor. Seriously, look at the iphone, it's a brick, people love it...what's the fascination with thin ass phones that feel cheap andcan't hold a battery worth a ****?
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You just get used to it.
When I had the G1 the missing camera button drove me nuts!!!! But its okay
Like my note I thought it was gonna be top big with a 5.3in screen but its small enough!
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Well, I bought my Vibrant on release day (July 2010). I decided to go for the HTC One S and ordered 3 of it yesterday to replcace my vibrant and 2 Iphones in my family. Got a great deal from loyalty ($200 for 3 phones) and $10 per month off my plan.
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$200 each, or total? I'm thinking about pushing for some loyalty love for a reduced One S, and then just selling it still sealed. I REALLY dislike the non-removable battery, and not really a fan of only cloud storage, but can live with it if necessary. I was kind of thinking maybe finagle 2 Galaxy S Blazes for free, since that phone is as close as it gets to an upgraded Vibrant, and selling one... still not sure though. Any ideas?
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$200 each, or total? I'm thinking about pushing for some loyalty love for a reduced One S, and then just selling it still sealed. I REALLY dislike the non-removable battery, and not really a fan of only cloud storage, but can live with it if necessary. I was kind of thinking maybe finagle 2 Galaxy S Blazes for free, since that phone is as close as it gets to an upgraded Vibrant, and selling one... still not sure though. Any ideas?
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$200 total for 3 phones.